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Season 4- Episode 10- Leave the Yellow Dots at Home (Premiership Round 8)
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Hello again everyone, it is those American rugby dopes that you love and/or love to hate...perhaps not hate, only dislike heavily? We are back and talking ALL of the ruggers from this past weekend. We chat about the dissapiontment out in Glendale for the Eagles, the happenings at Twickeham and, did we see another glimmer of hope that the Azzuri might finally come good? We chat about all this, the rest of the internationals and wrap the Prem too. Sit back and have a laugh with us, won't you?
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. This is the fancy rugby. My name is Jared Doug. I'm Ben Glaser. Here we go. No fancy this week. I'm really a small, fancy character this week, but we got plenty to
International Rugby Matches Discussion
00:00:17
Speaker
talk about. Thank you, internationals. Yeah, there are a few matches this weekend. Yeah, quite a few. I mean, especially we count all the women's action that was broadcasted, which was awesome.
00:00:27
Speaker
Very awesome. And you know, some awesome news about, you know, professional contracts. And apparently there isn't a director of women's rugby for Ireland. Who knew? Yeah, nobody would know that the way that they treat them. Jesus. No way. Right. All right. Crack them if you got them. And do. So you want to find this on your favorite podcast apps, download rate review.
00:00:57
Speaker
Hit us up on email and Twitter as well for reviews. I like that. That's interesting. Okay. First time I've had this one. Fairly light. Yeah, that is very light. Although it's not the see-through bullshit that America usually produces.
Brewery News and TRM Upgrades
00:01:17
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See Bud Light. Yeah. What is that? I can't make out the label. This is Turtle Swamp from JP.
00:01:27
Speaker
Although they're closing their pub, but they're not closing the brewery. Just not going to have people in for a little while. Things like that happen right now, unfortunately. Sucks.
00:01:43
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So buy our friend George a coffee, make sure that you get the fancy very geeky coffee because if you like our stuff, then he's part of the reason why. So you owe him at least that. That's for sure. And trust me, we know we owe him a debt as well.
00:01:59
Speaker
TRM upgrades, obviously, we have a couple of weeks off here, but it's a good time to grab them because you got plenty of time to, you know, scrape together a few pennies and put yourself through on that one, especially with the, I mean, last week we saw all the changes plus the internationals away, like, holy shit. Craziness. Craziness. Of course, it doesn't help when you're forced to make a change. You know. Yeah.
00:02:23
Speaker
Yeah. Sorry, not sorry. Yeah, but didn't JVP I don't think he had that bad or that great a match. No, he didn't. So we might have done him a favor. Right. You're welcome, George. Yeah, no, no kidding. Save you save your headache. Yeah, there's always gonna be a possibility that that backfired. Right.
Racism in Rugby: Challenges and Responsibilities
00:02:47
Speaker
As always, Black Lives Matter on this podcast, and there is no room for racism. I have I have to wonder,
00:02:54
Speaker
you know, at what point are you complicit? And do you cross over from being complicit to ignorant if you're an extra cheese fan, you know, like, just listening to the crowd at the at Sandy Park, and we'll get to the match itself in a minute. But like, at what point do you just do these, these people can't be that stupid, like they have to know.
00:03:17
Speaker
So that's the whole tongue in cheek. Oh, we don't really know. Like I'm not touching you. That's, that's what I related to is the, I'm not touching your defense. And it's like, no, you're being a dick. Like that doesn't matter that you're, Oh, I'm not, you know, like, no, you know what you're doing. Don't give me the fake naive or, you know, we're not, this isn't really what we are. That's exactly what you are. Yeah. I mean, and people are talking cause the, um,
00:03:46
Speaker
The club got a pretty strongly worded letter today or yesterday. And if people like all the pressures on, I'm like, I don't believe that anything's going to happen from Tony Rowe until it actually happens. I'm not talking about his words. I'm not talking about announcements until I see it actually change over and change. I'm not going to believe it's happening.
00:04:06
Speaker
I mean, didn't they give us their word that they would stop doing the chant at some point? I thought that that was out there, but maybe I missed that one. No. Well, that's either way. It's not happening. No. It's not like they're saying, OK, we understand that that this is, you know, that that some of this is they're just like, no, it's not, you know, we don't care if it's offensive or not. We're just on their nose at decent people. And it's.
00:04:29
Speaker
you know, and vulnerable people. Yes. Like, you know, if you're if you're a sucker, if you're still kind of supporting their whatever they're doing. And yeah, and you're just kind of a jerk if you're you're playing it off like, Oh, it's not like it's not that bad.
00:04:46
Speaker
Yeah, no, nobody. Nope, nope, nope. So we'll see if they actually because it's always weird for me to see the rugby against racism banner and like that's going on. It's like, guys, what did I miss here? Yeah. And that's why, you know, but that's the same thing that the reason that that John Gruden got fired, one of the reasons that he had to go because people were like, we're playing with the end racism on the back of our our helmets and it's in the back of the end zone. So, you know, if you say it, you got to mean it. And they're like, OK, yeah, they're right.
00:05:15
Speaker
Totally. With the Chiefs, it's then with rugby, it's. Yeah, we got to start back. We're like rugby is has such a good culture and it does it in you know, kind of an individual and some club basis, but where it doesn't where it doesn't, it's really bad. Yeah, you're really good or really bad. There's very little. Yeah, there's no gray area. Really, it's you got a lot of people that are really good. And you have a lot of people that are ruining it for the rest. You know, right. So that sucks.
Player Transfers and Match Strategies
00:05:45
Speaker
Now, obviously, we are now out there on the patreons. So thank you very much to our patrons. And if you're interested in a little bit extra information, please subscribe. We are still taking those things, you know.
00:06:00
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If you're not sure, you can always go to the Patreon site. We do have our first ever post where the content that we put on is for free. It's the last year's data. So you can kind of see a good feel for what we're giving you. There's more that we keep adding. Yeah, we've added a lot more since that one.
00:06:24
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So it's just a taste of what you get if you sign up. So, you know, if you're curious, there is kind of the free version. It's just a little older data. Just a little tease.
00:06:39
Speaker
It isn't on here, but we'll talk about it because he is who he is. AJ making a move to Bristol. That is, and you know, this is him hooking up with Pat Lamb from Conak days. So of course he's going to. This was a rumor that was talked about probably two years ago, I think. And obviously didn't quite have the life it did because AJ was still in the contract, but now he's out of contract. And, you know, let's be real right now, which, which clubs trending in the correct direction?
00:07:07
Speaker
Well, I mean, in this with this move, it's Bristol. Right. And in general, yeah, I mean, I like this is that we've seen what sale is without AJ, you know, you can take out any of their other pieces and they're they can kind of fill in. Without AJ, they're nothing. So they're they're they're they're fucked. They've spent a lot of their resources on, you know, on their their forwards.
00:07:33
Speaker
Right. And they don't really have much in their backs. So yeah, apart from like two, he, he's going to say he misses time all the time through injury or England duty.
00:07:45
Speaker
Right. I don't know how many matches he's actually played for sale since he signed for them, but it's not, it can't be 10. I'm sure we can go out there and count it. Yeah. So good for him. I look forward to seeing him at National gate. Maybe, maybe if we get our ass over to England next year, we can make one of those matches and watch him play.
00:08:05
Speaker
That'd be delicious. I wouldn't be mad about it. All right, let's go to the internationals first. Let's start with the morning matches from the early morning matches for Ben and I on Saturday, Italy and New Zealand. You know, I only expected right and for a little while and for about I only only caught about the first 40 minutes because from what I understood, that was probably the best part.
00:08:32
Speaker
You know, this is what Italy needs to be and I'm not for the...
00:08:38
Speaker
defense, defense, blah, blah, but they do need to be very confrontational when they, when they step on that pitch and they, what they now need to do, cause they were, they were a menace to every one of those, to the all blacks for that first 35 minutes should have been in the lead even because without Dick skins fucking screw up. Yep. But you know, with that, now they need to come back to the balance of don't go ill disciplined.
00:09:04
Speaker
be absolutely 100% aggressive against any team that you face, whether it's the All Blacks or freaking Romania, you've got to do it. And that's how they'll get better. To me, the key for Italy was that they made New Zealand uncomfortable.
00:09:19
Speaker
Do you know how hard it is to make the Kiwis? That is huge. And it reminded me in a lot of ways, obviously not the style of play, but the theory of that confrontational attitude from the England match a couple of years ago with the no-rock England match, the no-offsides England match. Yeah, the Fox.
00:09:44
Speaker
where it was like, I mean, it wasn't obviously to that effect there, you know, anywhere near that level, because, you know, England, we're asking the rep, like, what do we do? And he's like, it's not my business to tell you what to do. All we can tell you is what, you know, the conditions you're playing in. Like they did a lot of things, Italy did that just,
00:10:07
Speaker
were weird for, for New Zealand. And they were like, Oh, wait, we got to sort ourselves out. So yeah, it took them a half to get used to it. And then of course they went into the sheds and we're like, all right, fuck it. Let's just win the game. Yeah, eventually they got there. They made a lot of those. They made a lot of the breakdowns on both sides. Very tough on New Zealand. It wasn't clean and pretty either way. So, um, that made life obviously very hard on New Zealand. Uh, still got to sort that line out a little bit better for, for the Missouri there.
00:10:36
Speaker
Yeah, I would love. Yeah, I would love to see Monte Iwani find work in attack away from his wing. That would be something that could take them to the next level and attack. I really think that, you know, because I love garbisi that I like Brex, I'm not sold on the other center, but I like Brex in the middle man that if you want a tough center, he fits that bill for sure. And you need
00:11:02
Speaker
You need those against those big sides. So, yeah, they have some really nice pieces. There's still no Coludri that Maier wasn't in this match. So, yeah, there's still a lot to welcome back for this thing. And they were talking about, you know, there's what, three or four French-based players for Italy. There's three or four English-based players for Italy. And, yes, the rest of them are mostly Benetton, which is, in a way, helpful as well. So,
00:11:28
Speaker
That almost feels like a very good balance in a way, because you don't want to draw completely away from the country itself in terms of players. But you need to get some of those guys in those higher length and clubs. Garbisi's now at Montpellier, Riccioni's now at Saracens, Varney's at Gloucester. That's the type of stuff you need.
00:11:47
Speaker
And those are the guys you kind of want that you want those big talisman players to play at these higher end clubs. And then you need to pull from your ranks in Italy, you know, you know, to pick up Kieran Crowley, pick up the phone, man, I'm telling you, you won't regret it.
00:12:04
Speaker
I hope we get to see him soon with the, once it's over. Did you see the video of his PT or his work? Yeah, he looks pretty ready to go. Good. So yeah, there was a good video of him using his leg, kind of hopping on it and then pushing off to do it.
00:12:27
Speaker
Kind of a shoulder roll try. But yeah, that little drill that they were doing. Yep, his knee looks ready. So I can't wait. It looks like at least in some way wasps are going in the right direction health-wise. We'll get to that later. Yeah, that's a long direction. Ireland and Japan, unfortunately not as close as we were hoping this time around.
00:12:51
Speaker
You know, and it's a little bit too, and we'll talk about it a little bit later with the black ferns and the red roses.
00:13:00
Speaker
you know, Japan haven't played a whole lot of test matches. And there was, you know, I sent you that graphic that was that had all kinds of funny little bits on it. But the one part in there that actually was kind of had a point like, find a tournament for Japan to play into yearly, you know, and I don't see why it's not the TRC number one. I think that's I think that fits.
00:13:22
Speaker
Right. I don't think you can reasonably say, Oh, yeah, six nations. No, no, no, those terrible idea away the whole time. So yeah, no shit. They do. They do two home games and three away games or vice versa. And I'll do them all in a row. That would be annoying as hell. So that doesn't make sense. So yeah, I think.
00:13:42
Speaker
if Sansar can pull their head out of their fucking ass, they're it. That fits the bill, and it only does good things for rugby. So that's just my thoughts on that. But yeah, you know, we're not. That was not the Japan that we've seen for the couple of years now. No. Tamora's playing 10. That always worries me because he's not that good. You know, as good as they were in 2019, he was probably not the best part, even though people will tell you otherwise. I'm like,
00:14:09
Speaker
I'm not convinced he was that good of a part. And you said, we know there are guys playing abroad away from Japan now, although their league seems to be coming up and up and formidable for sure. But yeah, like, I just, I wanted to see more from Japan, unfortunately, we didn't, you know, 100 up for Sexton, 50 up for Ty for long. So not a terrible way for them to celebrate. But I hope we see, we see better from Japan going forward here.
00:14:38
Speaker
I did like Sexton and Ireland's attack though. A lot more passing, a lot more ball movement. Now, maybe that was just because it was against Japan, but at the same time, maybe they're, they're, you know, really opening it up. So I guess this week. Well, they, they talked about because I had so many Leinster players, they were willing to do like a Leinster style attack, which is a little bit more go forward and less, you know, conservative. So maybe we see that more.
00:15:05
Speaker
Maybe. Hopefully you're mad about it. No, not at all. A good Ireland attack is good for rugby.
00:15:12
Speaker
really still ridiculous. So yeah. Different story for a different day. Um,
Match Analyses: A Deep Dive
00:15:19
Speaker
England versus Tonga. Um, yeah. Okay. Here's the thing with this. I'm not gonna, you can't shout all the positives from the rooftop for this one because it's fucking Tonga. We know their limitations. We know their limitations, you know, so we can't shout it from the rooftop. Um,
00:15:42
Speaker
Furbank had kind of a Jekyll and Hyde game, but you know, the good stuff was good. So, you know, the, you know, the errors, unfortunately, creep in there when you're not used to playing a certain position. So yeah, you know, that's how it is. And then the last point, I kind of, I kind of just kind of, I went back and watched it and with a more critical eye.
00:16:06
Speaker
Eddie Jones talked about his eight being one of those guys he wants to get that game line carry. I think I saw as many, if not more, from Don Brandt in the 40 minutes he played than Curry. Well, of course, because that's not Curry's game. Right. Like Curry's the guy who will, you know, he'll make all his tackles. And yeah, he didn't mess much. He'll poach a lot of ball when he gets because he'll get in position to be a tackle. He's a seven. Right.
00:16:36
Speaker
But if you give him a gap, he'll run forever with ball in hand. But he's not the guy who's going to do the fend and the shoulder through and all that. He's the guy who's going to give what the defense takes him in an attack. And that's not what Eddie has said he wants from his eight.
00:17:00
Speaker
We know Ben's a little critical. I probably rate Curry a little higher than Ben does, but I do understand Ben's points at the same time. I'm not ignoring them.
00:17:11
Speaker
I value Curry as a player, no doubt. It's just the amount of things, the things that he does well, he does super well. There's people who do more. And that's really my main criticism. And I know that's just the shit criticism because that means he's a great player. Yeah, right. Because he's a great player. But there's people who talk about him as like a generational talent and like a future England captain. And I'm like,
00:17:40
Speaker
No, that goes tomorrow already. Sorry. Yeah, that's right. It's our Maro. You know, Maro does so much more than, you know, it's different stuff. But at the same time, there's there are times when Maro just says this ball is mine, and it is.
00:17:53
Speaker
as much as Curry does to get turnover, he doesn't do that. He's like sneaky. He'll get it when it's there. There's sometimes when it's not there and Marj is still like, no, fuck you, that's my wall. So yeah, it's like there are people who do what Curry does well better than Curry does. And he doesn't do all the things that other people do like Dom Brant.
00:18:14
Speaker
And then he just, number one, I wish we got more out of Tonga to start because they went, they started doing four points, which really annoyed me. I love Tony Takalua, not his 40. And, you know, they had Morath start at 10, which probably is somebody that needs to go away very quickly if they're good.
00:18:37
Speaker
ever be competitive ever again. Um, and then you had the red card and you have these helmeted red miss moments that happened from teams and you wonder what the fuck. And that first yellow was complete bullshit. I wasn't into that. No, I agree. I wasn't into that either. I was like, no, he's going for the ball. No, that's, that's no, he's going for the ball. Like they both, if they both leave their feet to go for the ball,
00:19:03
Speaker
they're taking like that's part of the job so you're taking their safety into their own hands you know it's that's if you know may didn't have to go flying you know all that way yes he's his job is to get the ball but you know so is so is the other wing right that's his job is to get it so sometimes that happened that was a rugby incident if there ever was one yeah that was definitely shouldn't have been a penalty let alone a card
00:19:25
Speaker
Yeah, and it's getting to be that way, unfortunately, on kicks like that a lot. And it's getting to annoy, I will say that. Because here's, I guess, where I'm coming from and I'm used to. And this is somewhat of a thing in rugby, but it's not so much as it is in hockey. In ice hockey, there's basically the rulings going that whoever is in position has the right to that position.
00:19:52
Speaker
And to me, the Tongan player, I can't remember who it was who got carded, was in position to take that ball and May leapt towards him. May was leaping from distance and the Tongan was just...
00:20:08
Speaker
you know, going up to catch the ball essentially looked like to me. So, Oh, that was all my kata. Right. It was kata. That's right. Um, yeah, I thought kata had, had more rights to that space than, than may did. So that's why, you know, good play by may, but not a card. No, I didn't think so. Um, and then we, you can't talk about this match without talking about,
00:20:34
Speaker
just what you saw from Marker Smith. And yeah, that guy, you know, and people are just like, you know, here's the thing. If you're going to talk about certain players and I won't say which ones.
00:20:46
Speaker
about how great they play when they play against softened up teams or against lower level teams. You can't ignore how dominant Marcus Smith became when he stepped on that pitch because he, and you just see what he brings. Guys run on his shoulders and he puts them away, you know, and he makes tries. Dom French should have had a try in this too. He was too damn nice. He passed it when he should just, and I hate Dowie. I really hate Dowie Morrison. I think he's a fucking complete knucklehead, but he had a good point.
00:21:15
Speaker
Dom was wearing a Quinn shirt when he was making that last carry. That was two feet from the line. He scores. It's like, yep, I hate you, Dowie, but you're right. And that's the thing. Players like that know, you know, okay, at this level, here's what I have to do now. Like, this is what, you know, he would have scored that all day. And that's great for a guy who's, you know,
00:21:40
Speaker
breaking his chair essentially. And it's like to know, okay, don't go outside yourself in a way, you know, don't try for that extra meter because you've got your teammates are the best in the world essentially. So just let them, you know, give it up, then you score. So rather than try to go and do something extra and lose it and or fuck up.
00:22:01
Speaker
You would add it, but that's all right. You'd rather he try to be a sharer than to be a dick. Yeah, caring is shared. Yeah, absolutely. So we shall see how
00:22:13
Speaker
They fare this weekend, the English against Australia. I'm still kind of on the side of screw ready Jones or anything that makes him look like an idiot. I'm into so come on. Wallabies. I'm hoping to see more. I still got to say I'm hoping to see Marcus. Oh, I am, too. Like he's got to be the 10. He's got to be the 10 this weekend. And honestly, I could give a shit who's who's playing nine this weekend. If he's playing 10, I'm I think the entirety of it. One should jump up and down and celebrate. Yeah.
00:22:39
Speaker
Oh, and one last thing. Genj celebrating with the other guy. I love it.
00:22:52
Speaker
Yeah. He's always excited for his teammates, especially guys he's close to when they score. Like he's always excited for his teammates to score. And you know, you'll, you'll love that in a, in a teammate. So, um, like I said, Ganges, I am full in on Ganges these days. Um, he's definitely won me over by a long shot. So at this, at this point, yeah, when, when he gets maybe in trouble with his temper and all, he's a prop. That's, that's, that's, that's, you know,
00:23:22
Speaker
And now you can just say, hey, he's a front row. Yeah, that's his job to get in there and get a little rough. Yep. I agree. I agree. Wales and the Springboks. This was like if you Razzie could not have written up the script better for Wales. That's how he wants the game to go. Right.
00:23:47
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's still almost worked for whales to be fair. Well, it always does. That's the fucking trick of it, right? That's the illusion of South Africa. Oh, whatever the hypnotism that they put on you, like, this will work. Just kick penalties. This will work. Put a little charm on you. Somebody's going to score a try. It's going to happen.
00:24:14
Speaker
And whales didn't bother to try to do it. They just kicked for fucking points. Although if that fucking knucklehead from the stands hadn't gotten away. He didn't. Okay. He was a distraction, yes, but the defense was there. That was not a try.
00:24:32
Speaker
Like, but either way, yeah, that I think I think it's more to the point that they were in a good attacking flow at that point, fucked it, fucked it, completely fucked it. And I think that's more to the point. Yeah. How about they also think the whole blaming that on Jarvo is kind of bullshit. No, no, no, no. I get the jar was a knob. I think it's also a difference in US sports versus international like that, where we're used to every so often there's, you know,
00:25:00
Speaker
not so not just a fan on the field but we used to have like Morgana the kissing bandit who used to come out and kiss a pitcher on the mound and it was like okay yeah she gotcha that's funny like to me Jarvo could be that apparently not he's kind of a knob but yeah that doesn't have that i don't like the whole pushing that and this pitch invader together i think that's a little
00:25:20
Speaker
No, this guy's a complete helmet. But then so is the yellow circles again, again, in a win. You win and you still whine. I can't buy. No, no, no, no, I'm over that. Not having anything. He's saying is not is completely irrelevant in my head. So yeah, does not matter. I just I don't want to keep losing respect for for Razi. And I can't. Oh, he keeps doing a really good job of it. Right.
00:25:48
Speaker
doing a real good bang up job over there, Razi. I'm so happy for you and now fuck you too, dude. You're an asshole. Yeah. You've just turned into complete fucking douche. Yeah. Oh yeah. All right. Um, let's jump over to parry France and Argentina and
00:26:04
Speaker
This might have been the match of the weekend. This was really good. I will say though, right off the bat, and the thing I was most excited for and most disappointed about was Jallibert and Intermak not really clicking the way you wanted them to do. And, you know, Intermak's played 12 for Toulouse, so it's not like it's a new thing for him. People were... I know it's a new thing for him at international level, but...
00:26:27
Speaker
It's not a completely new thing for them. I think that that nine, 10, 12 combination just they they got so focused on wanting to have fun amongst themselves that they forgot to to, you know, release the wings like get everybody else in on the X-Men.
00:26:44
Speaker
Right. John Minai, every time he got the ball, good things were happening. Yeah. I thought he looked great. Yeah. Villier. He got like, there was, I think even, you know, I messaged to the group as it was happening. I was like, is that we were talking about that nine, 10, 12. And it's like, they're not, they're not giving it outside. And that's, you know, if they just did that, and that was right when, um, as I was sending it, um, they did get the ball to the air and that went, that went for a try that ended up being called back for, I can't remember what, but,
00:27:14
Speaker
There you go. Like, just get it outside. It comes back. Like, you get it out to the air. He breaks the line. Where's he going with it? He's coming back inside. Like, there you go. There's your... You have to run with the ball again. They focus so much on trying to run with the ball that they didn't do the things that would have freed it up to run the ball. Right. Yeah. I was...
00:27:36
Speaker
You know, I was a little befuddled as to why Nick Sanchez was on the bench for this one. I didn't understand that from Ledesna. And I guess to my previous point about, you know, this is not, you know, this is not for all the marbles and things like that. So trying new things is okay. So to that point, I get it. But you saw that Nick Sanchez probably made a pretty good difference when he came on as well. So that helped. I did like,
00:28:06
Speaker
I certainly like, you know, I don't, I don't, I am not a fan of Ben O'Keefe and neither are you. I know that, but I did like a solution with Marshawn and Kramer. Like, listen, you're both being assholes. Go sit down for 10 and be done with it. Okay. That was, that was wise. I was like, thank you that I'm into that. I can do, you know, if they're both being dicks and they both need to frigging take a chill. Nope. Off you go. Have a seat boys. Oh yeah. That's the way to solve it. Don't frigging, you know, don't let it, don't let it continue because right.
00:28:34
Speaker
you get really, really chippy nasty shit and then things end poorly. And then- And then we card the one. Yeah, right. And don't do that because that's not fair. Right.
00:28:42
Speaker
So yeah, you got, you sit down, you sit down. No, fuck off. Absolutely. No, I totally agree. So it's, um, it's good to see that. And it was great, you know, it's great to hear all the stadiums in full voice this weekend, man. You can, you just, you love the buzz that they all create. So, and especially be very interesting to see how, um, Parrish responds to a visit from a certain team from down south in a couple of weeks here. Mm-hmm.
00:29:09
Speaker
over at Stade de France. I think that'll be a little bit different than their match this weekend. I am going to be boing right on it. Sunday, Scotland and Australia, right old tussle right there, right from beginning to end. Australia's prop situation, that was...
00:29:35
Speaker
That was unfortunate. That was not good. Not good. Not good at all. I saw it happen live. I saw the hit. Oh, yeah. I was like, Oh, he did. Oh, knocked out like unconscious. He was asleep before he hit the ground. And it takes a lot to knock that big man out. That's a big dude. I was looking at when Tupo comes on and I'm like, you know, they wasn't a small man who came came off. But holy shit, the size difference is ridiculous. His legs. They're like, I did.
00:30:02
Speaker
He's a brick shit house. He is. And he can move. So, yeah, I'm always excited for more Tupou and sad to see that have happened and it's him through the match. But it was made up for by, you know, the U.N. Ashmans.
00:30:24
Speaker
What a finish. What a finish. What a day that man had. What a finish. I was like, he did not. He, he did not. Oh, he did. That boy did my goodness. Oh yeah. And this is, you know, as I say, it was definitely a proper test match. Uh, certainly. And Murrayfield in full voice was again, amazing.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah. This had everything. This was, this was awesome. Then you, but you did have a couple of moments from Australia and we talked about some helmeted redness moments, like Tom Wright trying to knock the ball out of Stuart Hogg's hand. Like that is super ill discipline and just stupid. Like, what are you doing? Like you cost your team how many meters on that one? Like it was, it was, yeah, it was pretty shit house. Pretty shit house rugby. Yeah. And
00:31:16
Speaker
He had one moment, one bright spot, but I could not care less about Paulo Fenga as the hooker for Australia. Really couldn't. I think he makes a lot of dumb decisions. I think his loud throwing has gone to hell. Nope. And I'm glad they're bringing in some new guys. Kyle McInerney's come in, I think.
00:31:35
Speaker
a lot of them was another one that kind of got a nod earlier in the TRC, if I remember right. I think they need to continue to bring on other guys because as we've stated before about a lot of other positions in other teams, he is not going to be your hooker in 23. And if you if he is, you're flat. Right. So piece in point, start finding other bodies because he ain't going to be it.
00:31:59
Speaker
If he is, man, you really messed up. And that will not necessarily be a testament to him. That'll be a testament to how badly they developed hookers in Australia. That's what it will be. Sorry to say that, but that's just facts. Yeah. And if you can't, I still don't understand how, how a professional athlete can't throw a line out. It's, it's one of the simplest things. It's not, I don't, I don't understand how it's that complex.
00:32:23
Speaker
Yeah, it was a problem across the weekend, both here and in the prem. So we'll get to that. We'll get to that point. Um, let's go over to, um, Colorado for USA, Canada. And if last week was bad, if last week was bad, this was worse. Yuck. Yeah. They didn't, they didn't show up again. Sophie is a beast by the way, like.
00:32:46
Speaker
The Canadian eight-man, eight-woman is fucking a monster. Like, holy shit. And she takes their kicks. Right. Ridiculous. Like, she was a problem everywhere. Like, and here's the thing, the number one thing I can say for the US is they did not resource their breakdowns well at all. They were, Canada were trying to do the same exact thing they did on Monday, on Friday, and the US didn't adjust. Like,
00:33:12
Speaker
What were we doing? They they they ran a lot like they took a lot of the crash balls. And as you said, the people weren't there to rock because they were they were running the crash balls away from the support because everyone else was like the space was wide. The players were going to the width and the ball never got there. And then the ball got turned over because everybody's like, hey, the ball should go wide. Everybody except for the two fucking people, the ball carrier and the support runner, they were the only ones who wanted to keep it tight. And
00:33:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Especially on first phase, like that's, that's. Yeah. Nikki. I thought there, there were some people that had very bad games. There were some people that had very good games to the United States. Um, Nikki, Nikki James had an awful game. The, the tight head. I didn't think they could get Carly Jacoby on fast enough. Honestly. Yeah. She, she did something well. The first, I remember I was, I was pleased with her the first 10 minutes or so. And then it went,
00:34:08
Speaker
It went south after that, man. I'm telling you. I thought the back row as a group was very good between Cairns Johnson and Zachary. I think Johnson and Zachary are two of the best players on the team, undoubtedly. Well, you saw what happens when they actually can hit a line out that first. Right. KZ scored. Love it.
00:34:25
Speaker
Well, OK, just do that. And they that line out is a fucking mess. It is. Gabby Tintona. Yeah, it is. Gabby Tintona was not good at all in this game, apart from off the tee, which is something you should be able to replace. So I wasn't right. Honestly, I thought.
00:34:44
Speaker
I thought Mackenzie Hawkins played amazingly, certainly in spats, but for the most part, I would stick her back in there. I saw the lineup. She's on the bench for this coming weekend. I thought she played really well. I really did. And I thought kicks from hand should have come out of her hand, should have come off of her foot, not Kentornis, especially going for lineups. Kentornis made like two meters. Mackenzie Hawkins was wailing on those things.
00:35:11
Speaker
like she launches them there she's a yes she should be there like at least they're from um you know for penalties and all that absolutely i agree yeah i mean penalty kicks you know i'll take i'll take gabby all day but like
00:35:27
Speaker
Uh, out of hand, it should have been hockey for sure. Easily, easily. That, that she's got a fucking cannon. It's so much fun to watch. Cause then like, she's the best kicker on the field. So it's like, if the other teams want to play kick tennis and they employ Hawkins, you're winning that battle. So yeah. Um, yeah. Sad, sad, sad, sad. Not out. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see. It'd be interesting to see how they do against Ireland this weekend. Cause these are two.
00:35:56
Speaker
two countries that are in very weird spots in terms of their women's programs. I believe the women's program is well supported mostly, not completely here, certainly when you compare it to the Irish program. I think we get better support here, yeah. But obviously which country has been playing rugby longer is a different story. So we'll see how it bounces out this coming weekend. I'm excited to see what happens.
00:36:25
Speaker
I just want to see a couple of good line outs. Like fix that. Cause that's, that you fix that, that changes so much else. They gave away so many opportunities just cause they can't, they can't throw the ball and catch it. It was slightly improved. It was slightly improved, but still it needs to be so much better. It needs to be so much better. It was cause it was when it was good, it was better, but it, and it was good.
00:36:51
Speaker
somewhat. More often than it was the other week. Yeah, exactly. I think we had like five or six completed line outs, which raise a lot more than they had last week. Yeah, not great. Not great. And then red roses and black ferns. More the same, unfortunately, and even more. And again, even worse for the sake of New Zealand. So it's really
00:37:15
Speaker
it leaves them in a tough spot. Like what do they do from here? Well, they, I think they, they, they're out of season. We know that. Yeah. That's not a new thing. So we hope it gets fixed with more matches in the coming year, in the coming year. They just looked rusty. I, that was what it looked like to me that it was just rust. Um,
00:37:35
Speaker
and the fact that they're going up against maybe the best team in the world. Right, yeah, currently number one for sure. Those are two not good ways to go into a match. Nope, no argument on me in terms of that. Yeah, I hope, I know they'll be better. I know there's a lot better. You know, they lost Cox and Jett at one point as well on a yellow card, so that didn't help in any way, shape or form. You know, I was watching it with some of my high school kids and they're like,
00:38:02
Speaker
why did things just really go badly for diesel and just now I'm like their nines off the field like oh that's why I was like yeah that's why so yeah I mean shit the if there's one position you definitely don't want to lose on the field it's probably that
00:38:21
Speaker
you know, it really is. It's probably it goes up there in the top two without a doubt. So yeah, you hope it's better from the Kiwis and I'm sure they'll they have a shit ton of pride. So with it being a home home World Cup, they're not gonna let you down. No. And Portia Woodman is just
00:38:44
Speaker
She's, yeah, they have so many good players that it's gonna, yeah, it just, they need to get some time playing again and with each other, so.
00:38:54
Speaker
No, no concern there long term. No. Yeah. And and they blooded a lot of new players in these two matches as well. So as you do, this is this is what should you use these these matches for? You know, there's no trophy. I mean, I don't know. Is there a trophy at the end of this? I don't think so. I don't think so. So what the fuck? What does it matter? That's not to my knowledge here. Play to play the games. And if you win, cool. Yeah. Like this is it's valuable to going into a World Cup year. Yes, it is.
00:39:23
Speaker
All right. So next week, we'll do some fun 15s as well, by the way. So look forward to that. We got to do journeyman first. Okay. Yeah. I think we'll do journeyman next week. Okay. I think of them as rugby whores. The hose. Yes, that's the one. I knew there's another word I was trying to find. I was like, why couldn't I land on that one? Yeah, that's the verbiage of our culture. Yes, it is.
00:39:49
Speaker
That one. Yeah. If you've played rugby and you haven't poured out, you haven't played rugby. You probably haven't played rugby until you fall asleep. Wearing a different color gets kind of weird, but you know. But it's fun. If you're good, everybody loves you. And if you suck, they're like, oh,
Club Performances and Coaching Reviews
00:40:08
Speaker
you're a whore anyway. Yeah, they don't care. There's no downside to it. No pressure. Totally.
00:40:13
Speaker
I agree. All right. Uh, let's go over, let's go to the prem. Uh, what feels like a long time ago, Friday night, Wilford road, Lester, like a long time ago, uh, Lester 40 and bath 23. Um, whole lot of Lester just taking control and never letting go. Yeah. Yes. That's about it. That was it. You know, it's, I can't, I wish I could have, I had better things for, for a bath to hang onto. I don't.
00:40:41
Speaker
No, there, there, there just wasn't much there. So sad to say. And there was talk, there was a lot of talk of, you know, Stuart Harper's going to have some real examinations going on, uh, for him as a, as a coach right now. So probably well-earned. Honestly, I get this point. I think it's, there comes a point where it's just best for everyone just to separate sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes. And this, you know,
00:41:12
Speaker
Hooper being, you know, a BAF player and all that, like, this point, it should be time for him and BAF to be trying to, like, you know, have an amicable public divorce. Like, hey, we love each other, but I shouldn't be doing this. This is not right before, because you don't want everybody to remember, man, we loved him as a player, but what a shit coach. Like, it's heading, you're inches from there now, inches.
00:41:41
Speaker
And you don't want to get there. You want to do it. That would probably do on my disservice too. Yeah, exactly. That's not how you want to be remembered. No, I agree. I agree. So hopefully things get fixed. You know, I do think
00:41:55
Speaker
Somebody that we did, we were a little critical of last week, the carpet DA might be starting to figure it out at 15th might be we'll see a little better. But I bet you, I bet you we see him a lot in the current cup games coming up. Right. And that'll, that'll, that'll help him immensely. And then we'll see what happens on the other side with these, um, with the league games.
00:42:15
Speaker
Good for them. Okay. And Nick Dolly was angry. No shock. No shock whatsoever. Angry little warthog. Let's go to Ashton Gate and Bristol and Wooster on Saturday. And, you know, this is... Here's the thing. Like, this is a game that if this was three weeks ago, we might have wondered, would Bristol do it?
00:42:40
Speaker
And after the previous performance against Irish, it was actually probably a fairly confident thing, like, yeah, okay, they got this. Yeah, I think they got this. Yeah, and I do love the willingness of Pat Lamb to just throw in young kids and say, here you go, go do your thing. You have nothing to hold back. That's the thing that we talk about with some of the guys who are Jags and you know it.
00:43:09
Speaker
Well, then try out a youngster. Maybe you just sacrifice a game or two here, but then after a couple of weeks, look at Justin Fields in the NFL. Has been kind of meh since he came on in relief of Andy Dalton, but then looked like he put it together on Monday night and almost pulled out a dub. So you have to get to there. Yeah, you have to go through some painful ones.
00:43:33
Speaker
Right. And, you know, Sam Jeffries. Yeah. Player. Right. Yeah. So. Right. And Fricker and Bates, the two of them look like they could easily just slot right into this Bristol thing. Right. And not miss a beat. Right.
00:43:56
Speaker
And I see nothing wrong with that. It's like, why is this bad? I get it. I get it. They're young and they will make mistakes. They're youngsters. They'll make some really knucklehead errors that they don't think about because they're kids. But the fruits of it are just absolutely worth it.
00:44:13
Speaker
Yes. And especially when you have like that, that's what you need. You need the kids to get a little bit of experience so that they can actually understand what the old heads are telling them. And you need those old heads that the pia towels, the peers is who, you know, are still not that old, but have been there before and can be like, yo, I'm really good. Just do this. And this will work. Follow me. Yeah. Follow me. Or I'm going to, you know, when I see you doing this, this is what I'm going to do. Just give me the fucking ball and shit like that. Yeah.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah, or, you know, obviously, or dummy me, whatever, but yeah, so yeah. And then on the other side, but it's also helpful, like, you know, go with what men call a practice girl. Yeah, yeah. Worcester was, you know, and after last week, we wondered if we'd see more of the same from Worcester, because that was the stuff we need to see if Worcester want to be competitive. And unfortunately, we didn't. And Bristol's defense did rock up. So that helped.
00:45:12
Speaker
There were still some good things coming from the Worcester defense, but it didn't quite click this time. The finish from Heward was great on a Saturday. You had to be carried off afterwards near the end there. But yeah, looked great.
00:45:32
Speaker
We might have something figured out for Vince Smith here. I don't know what it is exactly, but he's starting to understand a few things here and there. So that's only to Worcester's benefit. It's just going to be a matter of, you know,
00:45:45
Speaker
can he turn himself into a commercial fly out? I don't know if he's there yet, but you see some good signs. So if you're, if you're a Worcester Warriors fan and you're thinking about, you know, who's going to take over? Oh, and Williams won't be playing forever. Obviously he's already up there in age. You don't want Billy Cheryl to be the answer. So here's, here's, here's, here's what,
00:46:09
Speaker
if nothing else, why there's real hope, as you're saying, for Finn Smith. 10 tackles, none missed. Not bad for a 10. Yeah, you're right. That's not bad for a 10, but it also goes to show he'll stick his head in there. Well, shoulder in there. Hopefully shoulder, not head. Yeah, not head. But like,
00:46:31
Speaker
You have to have, you know, if you have that, if you have a defensive 10, you still have a 10. You can work around it, but he also has good attacking skill. It's just got to put it together. So he's one of those who he will get the opportunities just because he's not a defensive liability. So yeah, shit, like, you know, he'll play for a while and he'll be really good. Yeah, I think it might take a couple of years, but he will hit a real sweet spot.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think so too. Over to the Stonex and boys let it get away. Really took their foot off the gas. Yeah.
00:47:11
Speaker
It came down to here. Here's the two things that came down to for Saracens. And number one, full on credit to the exiles, they were down to 14. Never, never even thought about quitting. But there's two things for me that I could that I could probably point to. And one was, they put almost nobody into rucks more often than not. And when you have a sniping nine like Nick Phipps, you need to make life miserable for him in those
00:47:36
Speaker
in those areas. So you need to put guys in rucks and counter or something. You need to make that not pretty ball. And two, there were some really bad missed assignments and missed tackles that certainly the second row try comes to mind where nobody
00:47:54
Speaker
got more than a paw on him. And then the the Phipps try as well that Hassell Collins set up because nobody wanted to tackle all the Hassell Collins. So, you know, as much as the great stuff that, you know, the Saracens did in the first half, this was the exact opposite. And in 20 minutes, no less. This is why you don't go to sleep. Yeah, I think it's Yeah, I hope that we've seen the last of Obitoye and Bowett at 15.
00:48:21
Speaker
Yeah, you know, there were there was Jekyll and Hyde, but more than not so good stuff. Right. He he was not good in kick defenses, I recall, like kind of out of position. I don't I don't remember him doing much good in the match. And he at least he stood out more to me when he was doing something. Right. Yeah, I think he had a hand in shaking second try, but there wasn't a whole lot that he did necessarily. I think it was more the way it was set up.
00:48:51
Speaker
You know, and we can't ignore this match or talk about this match and ignore Kyle Rowe. The dude scored three. That's not a small feat. And I understand one of them was kind of a gimme, but shit. Right. I mean, there was what Johnny may try in there, but there was also some... That second one was special. That second one was super special. Absolutely. That's... Stop. Filthy.
00:49:17
Speaker
Fucking filthy. Very dirty, very dirty.
00:49:22
Speaker
And obviously we're rooting for Saracens. I was happy for her. I was like, damn, good fucking work. I had nothing to say. I had nothing to say about that. I'm like, shit, that's really good. Yeah. You know, you can't say anything else other than that when stuff like that happens. Right. Yeah. I don't know, man. You know, and you have to there's two and there's two things that happen. And one of them both involved injuries.
00:49:50
Speaker
Jennings for the exiles. So we might actually have a 10 for the exiles that we don't want to fucking kill. Right. And Woolie coming off for Saracens. Yeah. That made a difference with Woolie. But that was a huge difference.
00:50:04
Speaker
Yeah, it was the HIA that kind of flew under the radar, but he didn't pass it, so. Right. Yeah, Lewis just wasn't ready to play. How many minutes did he play? He played a lot. 58, yeah. He played almost 60, yeah. So... Yeah, no, that was not his... And you could see it. There were a couple... I think it was the lineup. There was a lineup right near the end. If it's Wooly or Jinx, you hit it. Right.
00:50:30
Speaker
but this kid just, this guy's just not there. No, that's really unfortunate. And this matches like this that, you know, that your depth gets tested, you know, when the other team just doesn't, doesn't quit. And the depth for Saracens when, you know, their guys are away, isn't, it isn't what it used to be. No, no, not, not close. I mean, yeah, I like Swenson nice, nice enough guy, but he's kind of a, he's obviously a,
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah, I would love to see Terry McPherson start the next time. He played very well. I thought he played really well. I thought, you know, looks a little bit like another second row that we got not too long ago that came in and was a gigantic human. Just, just saying, just saying, looks, looks like he wants to play that style too, which I'm at, which I'm into. And I think he's got a little bit better ball handling.
00:51:19
Speaker
But I think so, too. But man, that little big fella, it was good to see that big fella back on the week on an Aussie chart this weekend as well. I was I was really excited when I saw him. Yeah. Yeah. I was really excited when I saw him doing. Yeah. So the thing about Theo is that he was a basketball player. So, you know, they're physical, but they're not rugby physical. You know, they do the bumps, but not not full on tackles. Don't get your shoulder in there. He he's freaking physical. Yeah.
00:51:46
Speaker
So, yep, he does pretty good with that stuff. He, she must've been in that little post, man. Yeah. And in the two guys that we just haven't mentioned for Saracens that stood out for the first 60 odd minutes were Sheggin and Earl. Oh, Earl was massive. Yeah. Um, that's that tryout Christie was marvelous. It was good concentration on Christie's part.
00:52:08
Speaker
Really, he's been a revelation to the last couple like he's absolutely that this six, seven, eight is we're playing a game that's important. That's that's my six, seven, eight right now with with Billy hurt.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Would Billy hurt the stuff with the six, seven, eight, do you want out there? And Christie's playing well enough that you might be, um, well, he might be the, on the bench option, either him or Ray is the, is, is, you know, um, Earl and Billy are out there, but Christie is on, is on the way to, to being out there as, as the top six, I think. Yeah. He's, he's, he's playing quite well since he's been given a shot. Love it.
00:52:48
Speaker
Love it. Love it. So if there's one thing you can say, you know, if you're going to have a game go awry, at least you got three points out of the damn thing, you know, you got, you got two points and a bonus point on top of it. So there could be, there could be worse things to happen. Right. That's those, those are the things that, you know, you have to take as the season goes on, because it's never going to go perfect.
00:53:09
Speaker
And that was the, I think that was the problem that Saracens had. They realized that they weren't going to lose the match. No matter what, they weren't going to lose it. And so they tied it. Yeah. Decided to tie. At least they made that last kick. James really earned that last kick. So they did good on him to have the balls to get a type. I didn't think he would. I thought it was going to end up like that Gloucester sale game the other week. Yeah. I was like, Oh no, it'll be all right. And then it went through and I'm like, my jaw hit the floor. That's when it actually hit. I'm back. I was like,
00:53:37
Speaker
And there's nothing, it was five minutes past, so it's over. That's the end. Uh, let's jump up to the AJ Bell and a bit of a sloppy one. It was 30 to six. No time to never really got going in this one. No, they never really did. I can't, I can't put my finger on why.
00:53:57
Speaker
Same. You know, they had a lot of the things that you want. They had a little bit of territory. You know, the possession was almost down the middle. I know they let sale. So they did the same thing with kind of the South Africans, except a little different in that sale. Just try to slow the game down. Everything is, you know.
00:54:17
Speaker
If they can get you to have slow ball, they will. If they can use a slow ball, they will. They don't really care about it because they'll just kick a box kick or something. But then they're just like a quick attack right off of that. They kind of lull you to sleep and then attack off of it.
00:54:32
Speaker
I figured, I thought there was a lot of opportunity for the Saints to do that. And they chose to continue to play slower ball, like kind of played into sales hands too many times. I thought the opportunities were that they didn't take them. I just, but I don't know. I don't know why, if they didn't see it or if I can't explain it. No, you know, it's...
00:54:55
Speaker
you can probably, and for me, you can really chalk it up to a 9 and a 10 that just aren't as seasoned as you'd want them in the situation where it's going to be, it's going to take a controlling hand and a steady hand to steer the ship to get them at least to
00:55:13
Speaker
losing bonus points territory where they can have a shot. Yeah. And they didn't have that between James and Grayson. And maybe that's it. Like you can have a Mitchell and Grayson and it will work fine. You can have a James and a bigger, bigger and it'll work fine. But James and Grayson, apparently not quite there. Not quite. Not Clayton.
00:55:34
Speaker
And yeah, say we're happy to play that style, no problem. Because I don't recall Colin, like obviously I signed Skosan for the weekend and I was excited. I don't think he got the ball more than like twice. Not enough. No. It just didn't go out that way.
00:55:56
Speaker
No, it was quite poor. Yeah. Quite poor. So like Freeman didn't get loose. Like none of the guys got loose because it just never, never went to a big old, big old ugly one. Not good. Not good. That when you, when you play an attack like that against sale, you're, you're going to lose a fight by over 20. Yeah, it was, it was bad. Let me see. Carries for Cornell's ghost sand were two. And there you go.
00:56:24
Speaker
to with not a whole lot of meters. No, six did not do much. So less than ideal to miss tackles. Not good. Yeah, not good. No, not good. Not a good day for him. So yeah, sale rebound as you know, in those ways that you have to when you're when you lose a unexpected match like that. Yeah.
00:56:47
Speaker
Maybe you don't do it the pretty way, but man, you got to get it done. I did like Vander Mer's try. That was good to see him back too. That's the other thing. Good to see him back. Good to see him go for a scoot and, you know, beat the defense with a little bit of guile and quickness. Right. So that's, that's, that's, that's the way you got to do it sometimes. And AJ's back. Yes. Yeah. That helps always. Yeah. Haven't, haven't figured out a time that hasn't helped them yet. So just saying.
00:57:15
Speaker
Let's jump over to Sandy Park and a big result for Newcastle, 14-15. I was not sad to see this. Here's the thing, because of what they're doing right now, because they know what they're doing is wrong, nobody's going to be sad about them losing outside of Devon. That's just facts, you know? And I ain't making that shit up at night. Maybe I'm saying it because I don't fucking like Tony Rowe or the club, but...
00:57:43
Speaker
Those are also facts at the same time. Yeah. And yeah, I don't think I didn't watch the first half. I watched the entire second half. And it's just. It was a whole lot of nothing, honestly, like, yeah, they played a game that, you know, Newcastle could live with. And now and there was just like, yeah, we can do this like. And they never really went like, you know, same as I was saying, a bunch of other matches, they never really went for it.
00:58:11
Speaker
Um, which is unusual for them too.
00:58:15
Speaker
And so they just let they exit or just let Newcastle hang around and hang around and hang around. And it was like and Newcastle, I think. Well, I think first off, Exeter's whole strategy is coming apart in their face, which I really like because it's a shit strategy. And they're finally like, you know, the whole everybody's got a plan to get punched in the face. What do you got after that? Exeter is like, not much. Like, I don't know that I don't recall Newcastle taking too many penalties.
00:58:44
Speaker
in their, like, deep in their own end or really in their own end. Yeah, one or two. You know how Exeter love to steal? Yeah, they gave a couple away in kind of midfieldish or whatever and gave Exeter some chances around, you know, around the 22, maybe a little bit outside. They didn't do much in the way of giving Exeter the chance to kick for the corner, the coffee corner. Like, they didn't really give them that many opportunities. And that's, you don't do, you know, Exeter don't have those opportunities. They're not going to win.
00:59:14
Speaker
Right. I can tell you that, um, Newcastle were able to stay more disciplined than them. And then let me just look back at the, so funny that they've lost two game, two or three games at Sandy park already. Um, not their usual strategy, obviously. Yeah. So they were, they were 11 a piece against the Irish. And then they were, then they actually had more penalties against Newcastle. So.
00:59:41
Speaker
As you said, that type of strategy where they're banking on some penalties and being able to kick to the corner. Well, if your discipline is letting you down and you're giving away more penalties in the opposition.
00:59:52
Speaker
It's not going to work. Yeah. And and capstick never got loose, which is what they needed to happen. Mm hmm. Because, you know, I mean, Armand, that was a nice try. I like to see. I always like to see Armand score. That's how much I like him. Is that even though he's going to try for for Exeter, I'm I'm actually kind of cool with it. But like that's not that whole lineup there is not one that gets loose.
01:00:18
Speaker
Um, no, at least I'm sorry. I'm talking about the forwards, the forwards. No, it's, it's only capstick. That's, that's your runner. If you're, if you're looking to, um, you know, get around and behind the defense. Yeah. Talk about just a guy Kirsten. Yeah, exactly. Um, and, and Armand as great as he is, um, isn't, he's not the runner type, you know, he'll, he'll run over you, but he's not the, uh, yeah, he's not your dude, the danger man. Exactly.
01:00:42
Speaker
No. And I mean, and I look across at the, at the Newcastle lineup and there are a lot of names I'd like on that team, especially in the forward pack between firms, Welch, Vanderbilt, obviously were huge Peterson fans. Uh, McGuigan. Yeah. Like don't hate it honestly. And then on their bench, Gary Graham and Callum check. Right. You can bring those guys in. That's, that's the way you do it. You know, you kind of, they, I mean, that's trusted in Vanderbilt and Welch.
01:01:10
Speaker
Well, I was the captain, so that helps. That helps, too. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's crazy. It's absolutely wild. So yeah, I'm happy that that kind of made that that penalty. Yeah. Trust me, everybody in Newcastle was. Yeah. And way to hold on to it.
01:01:32
Speaker
Yeah, it was really and they went on to the death. Right. Because they're still, you know, a penalty kick away from losing. So it wasn't just now at that point. You have to worry about Exeter going to the corner. You have to worry about them having an opportunity for posts. And Newcastle didn't take the bait. They just played, as you said. Super disciplined. Yeah, they just stay disciplined and they want a few penalties in their own end, which were huge, obviously. So good on the team.
01:02:01
Speaker
Uh, the Sunday game over at the CBS, uh, wasps and Quinn's just, you know, this is a game and they said it so many times on the broadcast. It's so right. Like this is a match that Quinn's didn't do a whole lot about. They still got a bonus point went out of it. Like, right.
01:02:22
Speaker
I don't know. I'm lost in terms of loss. You know, I feel kind of bad in many ways. There's a lot of guys on that team I like, but shit, they got a lot of the facts. They do. Well, they don't really have any centers, so not that I, you know, that was what is, that was his debut, I believe.
01:02:39
Speaker
No, he played in series, I believe. OK. He may have played the week before, but I think that was his first start. Right. That might have been it. There we go. And Crossdell going off. He was he was having an impact for 10 minutes. And then, you know, I I didn't see what would happen. It didn't it didn't look in the in that the live shot didn't look too bad to me, but
01:03:02
Speaker
They didn't want to re-show it either, so. No, so it must have been, and because there was something that happened, like it was something interesting that was happening outside of that, and they still weren't showing the replay, so. Obviously, it was bad enough. Yeah, it was that bad, so. Hope he's, but he was up after the match, so. Yeah, he was on the bench near the end of the match with a smile on his face. My folks were over to, you know, check out the new place, and
01:03:27
Speaker
Were you like, sorry that you had to watch this thing? Right. Then that's happening. And I'm like, look, he's probably OK. Like he may you may get he's probably just a concussion. But they're putting them on the stretch or they're breaking on the backboard. And she's like, what is wrong? Nothing. It's like nothing. It's just precautionary. It's not like America where they make you fucking walk off if you're dead. This is no. This is purely precautionary. He's OK.
01:03:53
Speaker
Right. And then it turned out to be true. I was happy about that. But of course, my playing days are over, but my mom still... Still looks at you like you're fucking sideways, probably. Yeah. You know, and so more to the to the injury front for for wask, you know, you had his slop off and then you had, you know, obviously cross tail and near two came off, too. So it's like, holy God, what are you going to do for these guys? You know, oh,
01:04:23
Speaker
You know, Tommy Matthews is sitting there on the bench, like just like, please don't get hurt. Nobody else because I'm I mean, of course he wants to play in the prom, but like, geez, you don't want to stick that kid in this game. You know, just like not against the champs. No, no, no, no. And yeah, that was just such a shame because the wasps had, you know, it was it just.
01:04:48
Speaker
You know, was kind of wilted because they got nobody left. Right. Right. Because they were playing so well for, you know, that first they were in it, they were in it. Like, all right, these guys are fighting like hell. Good for them. Yeah. And then, you know, the thing happened at halftime and halftime things happened and people got hurt and damn. Yeah. The Quinn's turned into the Quinn's again. And it was like, oh, God, I can't even I don't even know what to do for these kids.
01:05:19
Speaker
Yeah. You feel bad for them. You do feel bad for them because shit. Yeah. And they really have some great pieces and they do. This is not a this is not a poor look on and this is it's different in this situation, in my opinion, between Lee Blackett and Stuart Hooper.
01:05:37
Speaker
Yeah, like what I don't get is the eight has been kind of a whole position for wasps outside of people named Willis. And including one named Nizam Kar when he was previously with wasps. When he played eight, he was kind of a jag in a lot of ways. I loved him. That seems like a wonderful human being.
01:06:02
Speaker
This was the first match that I've seen in Nizem Karou where I'm like, holy fuck, that guy is a very good rugby player. Like, I was jaw on the floor like, I wish I'd seen stuff like this from him for, I'm like, but it's possible. I knew it was possible. I mean, he'd shown flashes of it, but like, this was the first time where he'd done it for Didi Play All 80.
01:06:23
Speaker
You only played 64. You only played 64. But that whole 64 minutes, I was like, guys, I mean, he got... Yeah, I thought he played extremely well. He senses that there's things to pick up for him, the slack to pick up, and he's going to do it. But he's playing, he did it at seven. And I wonder if for wasps, like, certain players have to be in certain positions because they have them doing certain things. Then, like, whatever car was doing at eight,
01:06:52
Speaker
It wasn't showing what he could do as well as him in that seven role for wasps. And that's weird. I don't get that. Yeah, some people and it is odd when it when the number changes on your back on the role you're given. And sometimes you can maybe figure out a way to get around that, like, all right, the number on your back is changing, but you're still doing these things like Brad Shields is has also come. He's come alive. He's definitely come alive.
Player Impact and Game Dynamics
01:07:20
Speaker
I agree.
01:07:23
Speaker
It's just like, you know, you're getting the same Brad Shills that you've always gotten, but so much more now. Yeah, yeah. He's definitely had a bigger impact. That's, I guess, going back to my theme there. He's doing a lot more things now, and that's... Yeah. He needs to do more often. A lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not to take away from the Quince of Quince, but did end up playing a very good match. Took him about 40 minutes to wake up. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, Edwards was...
01:07:50
Speaker
just banging the rest off a little bit, getting used to that, that, that stick shift in there. Right. So it's like, Oh, wait, I know how this, this engine purrs. All right, here we go. I'll sit back and tear him apart. No, it's, it was, um, it turned out to be a decent match for him to have his first start for a while there. I think the last time he started was that second, the last regular season game last year, which they lost, but they knew what they were doing. They're like, yeah, we're throwing everybody that's not usually playing in there because they wanted to give guys a rest.
01:08:20
Speaker
Um, but yeah, not bad. I mean, Hey, not so bad. You know, Danny care inside you helps obviously, you know, playing in Esther Hazen's a fucking monster. That helps too. I thought steal. I, well, that's actually, so that for the, for the Harlequins, that's my, that was my big switch. I thought Danny care had for Danny care, a kind of a meh. Um, he did game.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah, he did. I, I, I border on, he played poorly, but that's a big standard. You probably didn't play well, but at the same time at first, I'm half standard. He was pretty good. So yeah, you know, you're, you're, you're pulling the hairs on that one, but that's how it is exactly. But the steel came on and it was a difference maker. That to me was the switch. And I think, let me see if I can came on. He played there almost 30 minutes. So.
01:09:15
Speaker
So right, he came on if we're around 50 minutes and then there's the Northmore. He scored the first one more again. So three, three tries after he came on.
01:09:30
Speaker
Yeah. And they scored four tries in the match. I that's, yeah, there you go. I'm sure he's in is nearly indefensible sometimes as this term green. Right. Oh yeah. I know. Well, his step helps him, but the, the offload, the S like they had a hold of him and they're like, we have you. And he's just like, cool. Here goes my friend. You're going to lose a gap. Oh, it's not nice. I'm just going to reach out my seven foot arm and
01:09:57
Speaker
I think one thing we'll do next week is we'll talk about centers in the prem and center combinations. We've done front row, we've done back rows, we've done nines, we've done tens. I think centers is the next thing up on the list. I think that's a good conversation to have. Well, so as it stands in the prem,
Cup Format Critique and Future Predictions
01:10:20
Speaker
of course,
01:10:21
Speaker
Lester not missing a beat. They take their main the league as we go into this little mini break here and.
01:10:28
Speaker
I mean, I think Lima, Supawaga put it perfectly, the Mickey Mouse Cup. I don't give a shit about this damn trophy, honestly. And I understand guys do and teams do, don't care. Really don't. Especially until they start getting at least another tier involved, which I think would be great. If they get the championship involved, you know, yeah, I've talked about this before, you know, it's very much alike into those that are English footy fans or, you know, just footy fans in general, like,
01:10:57
Speaker
FA Cup or League Chopper, whichever one you want, you, you involve the lower tiers and man, you get a game like Marine AFC against Tottenham Hotspur.
01:11:09
Speaker
And everybody at that club is like, oh, they packed the house. And, you know, there's so much good things that go on at that club when stuff like that happens. And I don't see that being a bad thing for rugby here, too. And inevitably, you also bring in what is usually like, yeah, a couple of big names and then a lesser side outside of that. And it ends up working out fine, usually. So...
01:11:30
Speaker
I think that's something to explore, certainly in the years to come. But anyway, so I digress. Let's really lead the way series and twins and Exeter lead are also in the top four, although Exeter have played one more than both.
01:11:46
Speaker
Northampton and Gloucester. So you tied with this with Saints. And yeah, just really there's an even really Newcastle, they could conceivably jump ahead of them when eggs have their by week. So
01:12:06
Speaker
Lots of play for here, lots of play for, and it'll be very interesting to see what happens with this top four right now. You could probably start to slowly, maybe just put the L and the E in the semi-final for, for Lester and pencil, not, not pen, but it's getting close. It's getting real close. Just the way, just the way they're playing. Yeah. So we'll see.
01:12:29
Speaker
into the internationals. We go full, full bore. Um, yeah, like we said, no, no fancy talk this week. If you miss it, you can just go back and listen to the other ones. I promise they're still there. Well, we'll have some soon. Yeah. More weeks or so. A couple more weeks. We'll stay. Yeah. Um, I think that's Thanksgiving week for us. Yeah, it is. All right. So that'll be fun.
01:12:50
Speaker
Until then, though, we appreciate you guys coming along. We will catch you guys next week because we will continue to talk about more internationalism. We'll do some fun stuff along the way now that we have the time. And we'll talk to you guys then. And you guys can always find us fancy rugby podcast at gmail.com, tweet it better myself. Pick up the Patreon by Georgia Coffee. Other than that, we'll talk to you guys then. Have a good one. Later.