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Season 6- Episode 20- There's a Difference (6 Nations Round 4 & Super Rugby Round 3)
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Hey we're back to some sort of a pattern, how about that? On this episode of TFRY we are talking all the rugby. We cover 6 Nations, Super Rugby, PWR and of course the Free Jacks. Join us as we go from Rome, to Wellington, to Quincy and all the stops in between. We cover 6-2 splits, refereeing, upsets and the lots. Grab something to drink and enjoy with us!
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Transcript
Introduction & Welcome
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It is The Fantasy Europeans. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. Collusion. Collusion.
00:00:27
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Hey everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. We are back. Um, much to cover.
Birthday Preparations & Podcast Engagement
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So let's get cracking and onward and upwards and all that shit. I got, I'm, I'm cracking one of these things here. Holy shit. You're actually having certain drink out of the way. There we go. Preparing for your birthday. Somewhat. I was on your favorite podcast app, share, download it review. Be back. Always welcome.
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There was nothing going on this weekend, by the way. Yeah, nothing happened. We're good.
Appreciation & Anti-Discrimination Stance
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Make sure that you grab our good friend, the fancy road. We geeked George a coffee or beer. Busy times for all of us that are in the fancy lands and that are doing the work here. And he is certainly one of the better ones out there, if not the best. So make sure that you are showing your appreciation for him by buying him a coffee.
00:01:24
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If you're leading any of your leagues, you owe him. Yes, you do. I can almost guarantee. Because wherever you're getting your advice, even if it comes from us, it's coming a little bit. It probably stems from him too. There's a little bit of origin there. Just remember that.
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All right. As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast nor should there be in sports or in life. Where do we got today, Ben?
00:01:56
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shit happening in our country, specifically, and in the world, obviously, that our country is not exactly helping. But one thing I do want to talk about domestically, because I can't talk about foreign shit right now, that's too depressing at the moment. But Louisiana just passed a bill where they are basically saying after August, I think anybody who's newly
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charged and convicted of a crime will not be eligible for parole. So you're serving your whole sentence no matter what. Certainly that will be applied racially, because that's how they do it. I'm sure. I'm sure. And with that and with a lot of the anti-trans, anti-gay legislation and all that other stuff that's coming out of Florida,
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It's feeling pretty, pretty shitty here that there's nobody like I get that there, you know, we have the Democrats who were saying, well, we don't agree with this. And to me, we're getting past the point of we don't agree with it. And there's got to be some opposition to it and some pushback because this kind of shit's going to spread. It'll start in these obviously the southern far right extremist states. And it's just going to spread. And that's going to be the law of the land. And it's got to get nipped in the button. I'm kind of tired of
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our national supposed resistance party saying, yeah, we don't need to do anything about it. We just don't need to be them. That shit ain't working. No. It's not enough to not discriminate. It's time to start being actively anti-discriminatory and fixing shit rather than just not agreeing with it.
00:03:51
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That's where I am. We need someone to step up and start fixing shit, because it's only getting worse. For these idiots, if it's not financially beneficial to them, they don't want to do it. Right. With few exceptions.
Current Events Discussion: Legislation & TikTok
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They're talking about banning TikTok now. They're going to vote on it tomorrow in Congress. It's like, this is what you got time for. That's what we need to work on, really. That's the thing, too, is that the reason that they want to ban it is because
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like people are using, yes, people are using that as kind of a source of news and information. And the reason that they're doing that is because you're getting actual firsthand accounts of things, like right from what's happening, where that's not filtered through the corporate media that really is.
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protecting their own profits. It's fucked up because this sounds like tinfoil hat. I'm not smoking. That's the reality of it is that the shit you watch on MSNBC is so filtered to be presentable and they don't like that you can just go on TikTok and actually see, hey, this is what's happening. Yeah. Imagine that. Yeah.
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It's a hell of an idea, I know. Yeah. They're going to ban it because they don't want people to really be seeing things that are happening. They want it to be able to control the narratives. Yeah, that's never going to work. I mean, I can think of a few governments that like to operate that way. Yeah. None of them are good. No, they're not. Here we are. Yep, here we are. Anybody outside the US accepting
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Someone that I can, that can stow away in like their luggage. I can sing most of the words to O Canada. I can do some of it in French. Yeah, exactly. I don't have that part. I know French. I just don't know. I don't know that the song in French. Oh, you'll pick that up easy. Yeah. In that case. All right. Make sure that you grab our Patreon. We obviously are working hard over here despite what it may seem like.
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Rugby Analysis: Italy vs. Scotland
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right. Let's jump into it. Excuse me. Good guy. Um, I am not dying despite what it sounds like. Um, six nations. Let's go to Rome first.
00:06:27
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I could not be happier for a team I don't give a shit about. I could not be more happy for a team that I really give zero fucks about. You got to love an underdog. Right. This is a team that they were talking seriously. People are like, oh, they got a
00:06:49
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If you really gotta, you know, uh, relegate Italy, bring in Georgia, uh, the fuck they do. No, no, no seal. Just be done. Cause this isn't, this isn't like the high point. This is like the building point for Italy too. Cause you see what their U20 team is doing.
00:07:05
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Just housing some of these teams. Also, England, did you see the guy wearing 14 out there for Italy? You let him walk? You let him walk? Really? For a fucking guy like Johnny May too. Right. Come on. Get the fuck out of here. Come on. And Daley. Right.
00:07:28
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Yeah, give me a fucking break. You know, guys like that were totally worth keeping around and not, you know, capping Louis line up. But the end stupid really like same can be said to Australia because they lost out on them. They didn't bother to go get them. And I think you want it. Yeah, true. There's a lot going on there that that these. Yeah. Certainly Australia. But obviously, you know, England to a point as well. Right.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy for loose line to like play great. Obviously you guys is doing scored. Yup. So one guy I do want to talk about for Italy is the guy that got played in the match and that's Brex and
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He is so he's been one of the better players throughout this whole slog just about and probably about five years. I think and you know he's taught the front end of a lot of shit just in general not obviously him specifically but he's been a part of the teams.
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the Italy teams that are being talked about, you don't switch them out for Georgia. And he's been one of the stalwarts throughout the whole thing. And for him to just shine the way he did this game and to show that obviously he's not just there as a token. He's not just there because of experience. He's there because he's fucking good. Yeah. And he is.
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And I would say the same for Seabass, for Negri. Negri, yeah. Good on him. Had a game. He had a great game. Did his job well.
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Yeah. The thing is, adding talent helps the players who have been carrying the team, like Brex, like Negri. To a certain extent, Rooza, I thought he had a good game too. Yep. Frame was good. But that even opens up space for even someone who is lesser talented, like Ross Vincent, to make an impact, which he did occasionally. I saw him a couple of times do some decent things. Didn't learn that, Devin.
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Right. And we'll get to another team that's kind of similar to this, but when Italy went to their bench,
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It's not like they were losing a beat. Yeah. I'd say that's the difference at this point for this Italy team as opposed to past. Past Italy teams, they go to the bench and they definitely come off a step and they lose a little bit and the gap gets bigger. Right. No longer the case, you can't bank on that. We've talked about before, you can't
00:10:06
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send your B team to Rome and think
England's Rugby Performance Improvements
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good things are going to happen. And I'm not saying that Scotland did that. They didn't. That's the thing. And Scotland did not send a bad, this is a good team that they sent. I mean, to me, the big difference is no Tweet Pilatu.
00:10:23
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No, Huey Palatu, but Redpath, the Hue path. I don't know what you'd want to call it, but that was. I mean, they played pretty well. It wasn't I don't think I don't see Scotland playing poorly. I just see it as Italy stepped up and I saw there were some former Scotland caps, some prop run in his mouth.
00:10:49
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doing a very English style shitting on his team. Obviously, Finn is an easy target, but saying like, oh, the leadership just isn't there. No, that was fine. There was nothing that they did wrong. It was that Italy stepped the hell up and really spread the ball around.
00:11:09
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kept Scotland off, you know, off balance, not because of anything Scotland was doing wrong, but just because of what Italy did right. So I hate that it's like, you know, you're shitting on your team because you lost, because it's like,
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Did you play well? Yeah, well then, did the other team play better than you? Yeah, that happens. That's part of athletics, is sometimes the other team just plays better than you. And so credit you go to that. 31-29, this wasn't a lopsided game. This wasn't a more than one score game, which is usually one of those games where you start to try and look at your team a little harder. It was a well-played game all around and right down to that wild last phase. Yeah.
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And somebody, I think Ali Eakin said something about it on, on Twitter is like, there were a couple of forward passes in there. So it probably, yeah, there were, there were true. It is true. I'll give you that. That's also, that's also rugby these days. It's like, if it's, if it's marginally forward, you know, especially on a long pass, you know, it's that whole, if the players hands are going backwards kind of thing, I'm not saying I'm for it, but at the same time, as I've said, um,
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I think they should all be tries. So I'm not going to, um, yeah, I'm not going to backtrack on that. Um, for Scotland, two guys that I thought stood out and I think they're, they're carry meters to kind of dictate that, uh, Christie and Kinghorn, you know, Christie, obviously making his first start for Scotland. Good on him. Look great.
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You can get rid of Matt Fagerson now, bye-bye, go away, bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye. And then, yeah, Kinghorn just looks every bit the part, the fullback, that honestly probably should have been playing fullback before Hogg retired. I think most would agree on that. Hogg was great, no doubt about it, but definitely lost it, you know, probably in the last 10 games you played for Scotland, I think, if we're being honest.
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So, but yeah, Christie, good on you buddy. I couldn't have been happier for the guy for, you know, from series making a debut and doing his thing. And yeah, he's, he was a menace. So I hope they, I hope they see that despite the loss. I hope they see that and say, all right, we're going to have a hard time getting rid of this guy. And he needs to be in the 23, if not in the 15.
00:13:30
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So get on him. Um, and then, so one thing I do want to speak on for Scotland's sake is we talked about it and it's continued to be a problem and two things. One, there was a post-part from our, our good friend Carrick about, you know, Scotland only having what, eight more points than England going into this weekend. While that might be true, let's compare the talent pools.
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Scotland Scotland are throwing their best out there. No doubt about it England have not been Right, but even the even the pools that they're picking from as well. Oh, well that yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so You know Scotland's doing everything pretty much everything they can with what they got right and England aren't no England are kind of fighting with one hand tied behind their back right and so they while they're not
00:14:25
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Yeah, they're only behind Scotland by a few points in terms of total points scored. They should be blowing the doors off of them. I think that's more the point. Yes, I was agreeing with that. One of those places that I think is a huge glaring weakness for the Scots is second row, and front row is kind of meh, but there's still some good pieces, so not a big deal. Second row,
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huge problems all around. I don't like Gilchrist that much. I don't like Cummings. The Grey Brothers are done. I like Skinner and that's pretty much it. You look at basically, at least two or three of the other teams in this tournament, look at France, look at England, look at Ireland.
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and how much I like their second rows. And even look at Italy across the, across the way, looking like I like a lot of what they got for second rows, especially with the two guys that started this particular game with Canoni and Ruzza. Like I think I'd take the two of them over the other guys personally. So yeah, it's just one of those pieces where it's like, yes, they have, they, they've done really well with what they have. This is one that place that I, if I'm Gregor Townsend, I need to address it.
00:15:35
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there's, there shouldn't be a question about it. There will be because, you know, he's kind of down that way, but there shouldn't be a question about it. I'd almost throw Matt Fagerson up in there. I would, I would too. I'd, I'd much, I think he'd be an extremely useful lock. I don't think he's a useless back row by any means whatsoever, but he'd be an extremely useful lock.
00:15:56
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So yeah, I, I, I don't know where else you go, honestly. So, well, yeah. So good on Italy. Um, like I said, could not be happier for a team that I couldn't give a shit about and good on the boys for them. And I, you know, and they, they're here to stay. I don't think, uh, no, it's, it's just not going away anytime soon. They've got their, their talent pool is growing. Um, they're clearly working to develop the game. And again, that, that, uh,
00:16:25
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That U20s team rocking up is going to pay off long-term. They're not going to totally supplant all these guys. I mean, look at all the young players that they have now. So many. Yeah.
00:16:39
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you know, men and cello line and you want it like that whole back three and they don't, you know, um, I guess Patavani is older. So, but he's going to, but then the garbage sea brothers, like these guys, they're already there. They just need to fill in spots. Um, and they're going to be able to do that. Men and cello can play a little bit. Like I think that's also why, I think that's also why Brex is looking so good. Cause men and cello is he's well, he's taking some attention away from him, which is great. Yeah. And that's not saying that Brex isn't good. It's, it's more that,
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All those back five, you know, Minicello, Brex, Ioannoni, Lina, Capozzo, they're all problems. They're all problems, and that means that they're each, and I think what last match it was Minicello showing up and being the stud. I mean, not that he wasn't this week again, but Brex was there. He was good, but yeah, Brex was obviously the head and shoulders above a lot of people. I still haven't seen it slowly enough to see which is a Scotland player who just got
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roasted by the boat. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know who it was. You won't want that on replay. I can tell you that much either way. Maybe it's better for him that they name anonymous. So I'm not going to name names because I still haven't really been able to see who it was, but damn, dude, you got lit up by the post. Yeah, that hurts. All right.
Ireland's Rugby Team Critique
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Let's go to Twickenham.
00:18:06
Speaker
I think we can say finally a fucking England team attacks and good things happen. Right. And let's let's be honest, though. Did Ireland play their best game? I mean, no, no, no. I mean, how many times do they go for post as opposed to go for corner? That's that's that was problematic. Yeah, I agree. But ultimately, like, yeah, they did. And they did.
00:18:33
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do way too much of that. That much is absolutely true. But I also thought a lot of it was, I saw a Twitter
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Speaker
post about like with the spat between Farrell and Bortho at half. And it was like because Farrell raises up his two fingers and somebody said like, we practiced you box kicking all day and you only did it twice in the first half. They definitely threw
00:19:05
Speaker
stuff at Ireland that Ireland was not expecting. And I think that threw Ireland off more than anything. I don't think that Ireland played poorly. I think they were just ill prepared for what England threw at them. Finally fucking attacking. And I would be too, because with, again, even, and I got to say, I've been hammering the guy, and I think the attack did improve even without him, but Henry Slade had himself a pretty good game as a distributor.
00:19:35
Speaker
He's not a threat, but no, not a threat. No, but that's, that's what he's, that's what he brings to the table is he can occasionally throw a pass. And I thought, um, that's really what made a difference in the game was his ability to transfer the ball. Like if he, he, he made the, um, that last transfer to Lawrence on that, that opening try, um, he was involved, I think in the fur bank try too. Um, it went through him and I don't think it went through Ford. So it's like.
00:20:04
Speaker
There's, you know, if that, that kind of play suits him, but again, he can't run. So that's, that's my only problem. And he can't really tackle. I thought, um, Henshaw disappointed me because I was looking at him to just run through slayer and he never really tried it. And they, in, in that case, you know, I think it's clear that they miss ring rose because he is like Henshaw, good player in his own, right? No question about it. But.
00:20:29
Speaker
Gary Wingrose is an absolute attacker. And without him, it was a little bit of a. Yeah, Aki and Henshar are not the best. It's not a great combo. It really is as much as you want it to be. Same guy. And you need something a little bit different. Yeah. As much as you want it to be, you know, it's just not. And Nash knocking himself out.
00:20:58
Speaker
Five minutes into the run. And we'll talk about it in another game later on. The 6-2 split, man. It's not a good idea. I don't give a fuck if South Africa got away with it. I don't. The odds are stacked against you.
00:21:12
Speaker
You gotta understand that. And when you fuck yourself like this, I don't have a lot of pity for Ireland. They did this to themselves. So, good on England for taking advantage of it. And did they play an amazing game? No. Did they play a much better game? Yes. Tells you where they were. And again, look at how it changed when the replacements came on. Yeah. First off, okay, I got to put this one out there.
00:21:41
Speaker
that I've never seen a Twickenham crowd just ready to be done with George Ford before. Right. Like they were tired of his shit, I think. And I don't I don't blame him. He was missing this kicks that that his his want to be hero drop goal out of nowhere, which was really fucking stupid to him. You had your butt up. You missed the one, but the one that was charged down like when they was charged down, there was no reason to hit a drop goal. You've been having success.
00:22:11
Speaker
moving the ball wide, but I need to be George. There's something in him that he needs that attention. And it was like when he came out and Smith came on, it was like watching an old WWF match.
00:22:28
Speaker
WWE now, where you got tag team and the one guy is just getting the shit kicked out of him. And somehow makes it into the corner and tags the other guy in. And the dude comes in and just wrecks everybody. And that was Ford, and that was Marcus Smith. And I feel like the crowd
00:22:46
Speaker
breathe that into one too, because they were stoked when Smith came on. I think it was about five minutes too late, but. He is certainly one of the most talented 10s in the world. He's definitely the most talented 10 in England. Yeah. I think they were just like, let's fucking go. You've got to use him. I know he's coming off injury, so they got to kind of manage him a little bit there. But still, I think they could have given him a few more meds, but probably enough. They gave him enough. That was enough. Give him enough.
00:23:14
Speaker
Also, okay, so I mentioned this. So my, the club I coach, the president and captain is Irish. Oh, that's right. Poor devil. I forget about that.
00:23:28
Speaker
And I was talking, I was texting him a little bit today, and to me, this Irish team, I think they'd be better served with Jack Cohen and Van Der Fleer and Doris as their back row. Yes. With Pendergrast or Cooney coming off the bench, because that's tasty. Yeah. And I get the Omanis, your talisman, but
00:23:52
Speaker
The problem is he gets himself into trouble as he did here. He was trying to make something happen, and he's not that player. He can make certain things happen, but he'll force it right in front of the fucking ref. Despite the fact that this refereeing team was scary when I saw it, it actually ended up being not that bad.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah, he's beyond his days. I think most people can agree with that. And I realize it's sacrilege. It's not. Listen, I think he's been a wonderful player. There's no question about that. But yeah, you have young talent, you have Coombs, you have Pendergast, you have... I think O'Donohue is another one. Yeah, just...
00:24:36
Speaker
You've got, you've got this little Baird who was on the bench to that, that, that game as well. Like there's a lot that still for some reason think of Baird as a, as a lock, but that's probably my, he is a, he, so here's the thing. There's a, there's a, there's a hybrid like him that I'm okay with. And there's a hybrid like Ned Hanigan, which I'm not okay with. He is the former, which is much better.
00:24:57
Speaker
I mean, you could even put burn at six. And I think that would be perfectly acceptable. He's at least played there for for club. I don't know if he's played there for country probably a couple of times. I thought he had. But either way, yes, I think he can. I think he's got the wheels and space to do it. But again, why bother when you've got, you know, first off, that you don't need to. You don't need to. Yeah.
00:25:17
Speaker
They've done the smart thing by getting McCarthy more time and perhaps. He's going to be ready soon to be an 80-minute player. He's bloody good already. When you're bringing Ian Henderson off the bench, fuck, you're doing something right. Yeah, things aren't so bad. Also, Connor Murray shouldn't be on this team.
00:25:39
Speaker
And it's not single handedly Connor Murray's fault, but good God was that bad. Yeah. Right. Oh man. Like two, like two, three in a row. Like you're supposed to be decent at this dude. Yeah. At one point he was one of the better ones that could do that without, you know, one of those stupid fucking Caterpillar rocks. That's obviously gone. Yeah. So well, also one last thing I want to say about the match and then I'm, I think I'm done with it. Um,
00:26:11
Speaker
just, I think was it today or yesterday or what, what have you said? Yeah, I have a concussion. I, I I'm, you know, I can't go. I'm out for, for this week. That's right. That's class. I like the guy. Well, and how, how, how much of a difference was he compared to daily? Huge.
00:26:27
Speaker
Right. Amazing. When you have a wing that hasn't, you know, the sense of attack in him to, you know, as opposed to someone like, you know, daily or may or God, there's a long list of them. Right. Um, yeah. And then, and there's, there's other ones that are available too, that really need to be brought in. Um, I'm kind of out on Ollie Hassel Collins at this point, even a club he's kind of pooping himself, which he's, yeah, he's, he's lost form. Yeah. Um, but you still have other guys are available.
00:26:58
Speaker
I don't know that Radman is, I don't know if he's a test level player. Cause we'll find out. Yeah. I would like to find out. Yeah. I think he's also actually pretty similar to Feiwoboso in his, uh, uh, and what it brings to the table. So at this point, I'd like to see it. Yeah. Anywho. Ben Earl's the best England player. No doubt.
00:27:22
Speaker
Oh, and the one other thing was, um, I loved Joe Marler, um, tagging, you know, like I'm right here. I'm walking this in and you, you know, of course you go for the, oh, and one other last thing. I did not appreciate George Ford's reaction to, to the Marcus Smith hit in that drop goal. Um,
00:27:42
Speaker
it looked much less like, fuck yeah, we want and much more like, wow, I'm never wearing that 10 Jersey again. Well, at least he knows it. Yeah. That even, I mean, Sladey was, was celebrating and he was kind of like, yeah, cool. And it's like, dude, come on, man. Like,
00:27:59
Speaker
Oh, it's not, this isn't the, the, the England, George Ford's it's, that's not how this works. No. All right. No, no, no, no. Um, but we should give one last prop and then we'll move on to, uh, Danny care, you know, done his time, lots of subs, sub appearances probably never really got the run he deserved.
00:28:23
Speaker
No, but you know, still been a quality operator for a long time. Certainly the type of scrub hat I would want. Any day, you know, whether it's international club or otherwise. Yeah, guys, guys been pretty solid for a long time. I think he's probably beyond, you know, the World Cup so he can he can't eventually fade off into the sunset, but
00:28:48
Speaker
I do appreciate the work he's done for, as an international and the fact that he's just been so willing to be like, yeah, I'll come off the bench. It's fine. He doesn't have a problem with it. He's got how many, like 60% or something like of his caps were off the bench. I think he had 56 off the bench is what I thought I heard. Maybe something like that. So yeah, good chunk, good chunk.
00:29:10
Speaker
But still high quality operator. Um, it's like, yeah, type of guy you want in the room, type of guy that you want on the team, type of guy that you want on the field. So, you know, loads of credit to Danny care and congratulations on 100 dude. Let's go to Cardiff.
Wales & Player Contributions
00:29:31
Speaker
This was close, and then it wasn't. Well, until the subs came on. Right. And that's the end. That was it. And that's, yeah, that's problematic. It's, but it's, you know, a good step. I thought it was a good step forward for whales, just to at least put their hands up to say, Hey, we want it. We want this game. And then there was, yeah, once the subs came on, I mean, Yo and Lloyd, dude, dude.
00:29:58
Speaker
There's so much potential there. Poop yourself a little bit. Huge, huge space to run through. Lloyd is one of those, maybe could be an outside back, but this trying to work his way towards 10, which I fully respect.
00:30:19
Speaker
You got to know when to put the hammer down and just run it. And he had just a wide open gap and said, decided to throw a, who do you throw under the bus?
00:30:33
Speaker
It was Josh Adams. He throws a hospital pass out. Not only did he pass it, but he went through a skip pass from space into tight quarters and just got his wing lit up. I think they lost the ball on it. That's the margin between winning and losing. Yep, absolutely.
00:31:01
Speaker
I think Maxime Lucu was gone now. Yeah, you think? Nobody can replace Anton DuPont. Let me clarify that right away. But if you want a player that is at least similar to him, Nolan Lagerach has been that for a while. Francis didn't bother to put it in a nine shirt. They were putting it on the bench. And I'm glad he
00:31:26
Speaker
given his opportunity, granted the opposition wasn't amazing, but given the opportunity, he performed to the level that he did. And that to me says, all right, you are definitely worthy of being in this nice shirt, certainly until DuPont comes back. And when he comes back, I think you should be the backup.
00:31:43
Speaker
Yep. You know, Luke was also a little bit older too. So we can probably throw that there. Throw that little piece in there. And I think that's, that's kind of what was happening here was Ligarek. Like Luke who was playing to give Ligarek just some time, you know, you have to learn to be a professional. Then you have to learn to be a test level player. I think Ligarek has, has spent his time. Yeah. Okay. We got three matches to, to earn your way around this national team business. Um,
00:32:11
Speaker
now go show her what she got. And I thought he showed well. I did too. I did too. It was really good. Um, it's, it's good and bad that Reece Salmon's not here because I don't think Gatlin would have given, um, Winnet the look that he has, I think Winnet is real. Yeah. But I also,
00:32:42
Speaker
really I'm like, imagine LRC and Rio Dyer together. Yes, that's where I am. Imagine like instead of you pull Josh out and you make Josh Adams your backup and you have Dyer, LRC at 14 and win it. And now I'm, I'm watching the game hunched over. Right. It's like, Oh man, what an electric back three. Yeah. Like golly. Um,
00:33:07
Speaker
I was shocked also by Watkin and Roberts and how, like, not that I, they're like, shit, don't get me wrong. But the way they stepped up was incredibly impressive, I thought. I will say the try that Watkin set up kind of was given to him by Ramos as fuck up. A little bit. But it's still, you know, you have to take the opportunity when they're presented to you, see Yoan Lloyd, as you mentioned before, who did not. Right.
00:33:38
Speaker
So yes, you know, it's nice that you can see that, but then you've got to also learn to create your own as well and not just, you know, deal with a defense's errors. I also want to know what another question. Who was wearing Thomas Williams shirt? No idea. Because I never seen it before. I've seen Thomas Williams. I've never seen that. Right.
00:34:04
Speaker
Maybe he's finally getting his head out of his ass. Who knows? Good, good. I want to see more of that. Yeah, same. Where are there other player stats on this? I can't find any. No, but I can give you some. Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker
Ultimate Rugby sponsor us and I will always reference you when I reference our stats. Cause like I want to know what Jenkins did as an attack cause. Oh, nothing. Seven meters. 26 tackles. Yeah, which is great. Great. You also, what was the ball position? Hold on timeout.
00:34:46
Speaker
Well, 44%. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 56 to 44. So with a lot of territory going to France as well. So yeah, you were busy. So the least right. But this would have been worse. Yeah, I'm not I'm not as impressed by big tackle stats. Certainly not as much as they used to be unless they are accompanied by
00:35:12
Speaker
heavy attack, like good carry meters. Being useful in attack is something you have to be. You can't be a gap and see the Scotland team we were referencing before. If you're going to be capped on this team, you better not be a fucking complete liability. Look at... How many tackles did Ben Earl make? What's up? How many tackles did Ben Earl make?
00:35:32
Speaker
Uh, I can tell you in one second. Um, but in that, in that vein, like look at a captain that was well-respected before he, he left New Zealand, Sam Kane, absolutely useless in attack. Yep. Useless in attack. And did it cost him the World Cup? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. I'm not going to say that, but I, I don't know. I still had 12 tackles. Or I had 12 tackles. 17 carries 12 tackles.
00:35:55
Speaker
That's, that's a stat line right there. That's a, that's a good, that's a great balance for anybody. Any, certainly any forward, right? You know, any loose forward, certainly. Like that's what, that's what you're going to want to see and not, and if, you know, today Jenkins is playing loose forward. I want to see him attacking more. I agree. That's not, I don't want, but the other thing is I don't want to see Jenkins attacking because he's not good at it. No, he's not Daffy. I'd rather have Will Rowlands with ball in hand and that's saying something.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah, we talked about like locking departments. I have issues. I'd say Wales has one. Daffy ain't that good. Roland's is, you know, who he is. Beard's overrated. So good luck. Everybody else have fun. Right. Okay. It's like Tommy, the Tommy Reffel show there in the front, in the, in the, in that pack. Yeah, absolutely.
Match Highlights: Moana vs. Rebels
00:36:48
Speaker
Absolutely. That's about it. Yeah.
00:36:51
Speaker
Cause he had, once he came off though, he came off 56 minutes. That was it. That was, he was either hurt or he was, he just was absolutely smoked. I don't remember what it was. I mean, he's fucking had to do a lot of work. So, you know, yeah, no. All right. Let's go down to super rugby, Moana and rebels.
00:37:16
Speaker
This was Brendan Pickrell's last game, by the way. He played, yeah. He's one of their better refs. I thought he had a great match and the good one to go out on, certainly.
00:37:29
Speaker
I like him better than I like O'Keeffe, that's for sure. And Dolman, Dolman's so bad. O'Keeffe, O'Keeffe will get to him and I don't blame him. There's a difference between how I feel about O'Keeffe in that Red's Chiefs match and how I felt about Green in the... Free Jack's match. In the Free Jack's match, but they were both shit. They were both absolutely shit. So anyway, back to this match. So let's lead him with the big one, first of all. Sevilla.
00:37:58
Speaker
taking over the lead in, in super rugby tries. Way to go, dude. Um, obviously did a lot of the damage. Well explained for the hurricanes, but, uh, I've, you know, I've been a big fan of the bus for a long time and I've really, you know, even when he went to too long, I was pissed that they intrigued him. So, so terrible. Um, yeah, great. Good on the guy. I really liked him a lot. Um,
00:38:21
Speaker
Great on it. There's nothing, there's nothing more you can say. He's been a class act for a while. Does everything he asks of him. Fucking annoying guy to play against always. So I, yeah, hats off to the bus and Julian. He knocked a piece of shit off the top of that list too. Good work. Oh man. Anyway, Rebels a little better.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah. A little better. Not bad, certainly. This was a bit of a disappointment for Moana more than it was a statement from the Rebels for me. I would agree with that. Moana are still working their way in to where they need to be.
00:39:12
Speaker
They are also coming off a bit of a high, so backing it up is gonna be tough. And I thought they showed up well. Yeah, as they get older. Exactly. These are the kind of growing pains you go through.
00:39:26
Speaker
I mean, it's good to have the high in the first place, but then now you need to learn that, okay, just because we have it doesn't mean we can expect it just to keep happening. The yellows were a little much, especially when you have one right after the other. Not helpful. Not helpful. Maybe don't do that, guys. Yeah. Craig's yellow was silly and then so was Nora's. You can't do that and expect to win. No. It'll always end poorly.
00:39:56
Speaker
How do you feel, and he didn't play much, but how do you feel about Rob Leota eight for the Rebels? I mean, I don't love it. I don't hate it. I feel like he disappears too much. Like there's a lot of times when I see a match and I'm like, Oh, Rob, Rob Leota was in this game. Like that's surprising. Yeah.
00:40:19
Speaker
I mean, he's mostly done it at six as a back rower. So now he's playing eight. Exactly. And six, I think, is acceptable to do that. But eight, you got to be showing me something. You got to know. Like, we see Lodu and Isi. Hi. I see he's done them early and often. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I would almost put Kemeny back there. I would almost flip them and put Kemeny. Because Kemeny, when he gets the ball,
00:40:43
Speaker
It's got a little bit of speed. He's got, he's got some wheels to him and I think it's kind of wasted in six there. Yep. So I think that that's what I would, I would prefer. There you go. I might solve your problems there. Aaron major, away you go. Or not your Kim foot. Sorry. Other one. Anyway, I would also not put Doug who knew back at 13 again.
00:41:04
Speaker
No, he's, he's had two games there and not done well. No. And he's had a couple, he had a couple of games to the res before he moved too. And I didn't love it. No, I didn't either. And I like, you know, I, there's only one locky that I'm really in love with cause I got to meet, Oh, he's a sweetheart. Um, but it's not, it's not Locky Anderson. So, um, no, probably not. I think there's, I think there's probably better options there, but I don't know.
00:41:29
Speaker
I would probably think what I'm saying is put Doug into it 14. Well, didn't, didn't they put strong at 15 this match? Yeah, they did. Oh God. So maybe put either Callaway or Anderson back there. And yeah, exactly. Get rid of him. Me. Well, maybe even put strong at 12. If you have, if you need them out there, cause you have him as a distributor. Cause I know it's a possibility. Excuse me.
00:41:53
Speaker
All right. That's all I have to say about the smash. That's all there is. Taz Islanders, not quite the result we were expected, but Taz made it interesting to say the least.
Game Analysis: Waratahs vs. Highlanders
00:42:03
Speaker
I mean, your Tane Edmed penalty kick away from winning and it was a makeable shot. It's one of those, this is one of those, again, quoting some asshole, you know, you play young tens and you lose games because of stuff like that. Taz will end up winning games because of it in the short order. Yep.
00:42:22
Speaker
So, no, you know, that's one of those costs of doing businesses. And you're also playing, you know, obviously probably the worst team in New Zealand, but the worst team in New Zealand is still good. It's still good. And they're not a bad team either. Actually, they're not what they used to do. They've gotten much better this year for sure. For sure. Um, yeah, I mean, we talked about that back three that they're sporting these days with. Brought to you by Davogie, Nick, Nick, and, um, Tabatavenawa and Nurekki.
00:42:51
Speaker
That's, and Patchill. And Patchill looks pretty good. Not bad in that. That was a sweet try this board, so. Yep. We'll take. Yeah. No, no doubt. Yeah. I do want to kind of.
00:43:08
Speaker
Focus a little bit on the toss because I like a lot of what they did. You know, it didn't work out that way. Like we talked about the back three for the Highlanders and the back three for the Wartos was rather good. I like this Kristin Riley kid. Yeah. Oh my God. I was like, who's this kid again? Yeah. Somebody, wow. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Gimme. I'm into this. The kid's pretty good. So I, yeah, loads of credit to them for
00:43:33
Speaker
And that's the other thing, like be willing to play young players. We've talked about this like a thousand times, like be willing to play young players and see what happens out there. And I mean, I can't imagine that Riley's had too many run around. So they were able to see, you know, good things happening. He's 25. He's not super old, but he's not super young, but still, it's all like we've seen him a ton. Um,
00:43:57
Speaker
Isaiah Friesi is still really good. Give him the lowest of credit. I think he was a big part of why they were in this match for the, right up until the very end. Yeah. I like a lot what the water ties are doing. So if they keep going in this direction, I see good things for them. Maybe they can finally knock the fucking Brumbies off and put that shit to bed.
00:44:28
Speaker
All right, let's go to, let's go to Fiji.
Challenges for the Crusaders
00:44:32
Speaker
Sure. Crusader's. No, I mean, we could, we could look pretty nice on some of the shots that were shown. Um, we, this was actually at a time that we could watch it too. It was eight o'clock a night over here. Do that again, Fiji. What's that?
00:44:56
Speaker
Yeah. And that's not even like Moana's home away from home either. So that was, that was tough. That was pretty tough. That sucked so bad for them. Rambunctious to say the least. Yeah, but I was a wee bit crazy though. Who made over there.
00:45:35
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. They've all looked that way. Like Christie looks smoked and he's not unfit by any means whatsoever. I was like, all right, if Christie's looking smoke, there's problems. Yup. Yup. It was, it was. Um, I don't think we'll talk about the jury in a second. Cause I do want to just,
00:46:02
Speaker
gush all over them as much as I can. I think the Crusaders need to move on from Camara. He's not played well in the last two matches. I know they've been away from home, but still like they were willing to throw, you know, Rihanna away very quickly. And they've given this guy two games and yeah, they've been away from home, but so was Rihanna. And no, I don't see it. I don't see anything good out of it. Honestly, I really don't.
00:46:37
Speaker
I'm not expecting him to be Milonga, but damn, I got to notice you. I got to notice you and I haven't. So yeah, sorry. Next muscle. I do. He's quite easy to spot. Yeah.
00:47:08
Speaker
Kicking that ass, kicking that ass. Yeah, I mean, yep.
00:47:38
Speaker
Yeah, there's, there's, there's threats all over this team now, especially now that they're all healthy and they, they, and we talked about like, literally like it's no longer the bench comes on and they fall off. The bench comes on and things keep going the same way, which is exactly what you need, obviously. But yeah, and that's just obviously the, the, the vast difference between the two. So I, yeah, I love it. I'm, I'm really happy that,
00:48:14
Speaker
the Murray kid or I'll know the other guy. I say the Murray kid. And then I said, Oh no, nevermind it. The other guy. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. Right. I know. And that's been kind of the thing for a long time, like not had a,
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, not had a ton to worry about in the forwards, besides maybe Scott Barrett, maybe Cody Taylor. After that, it's kind of like meh. And yeah, like you said, this, I, yeah, Willie Heinz can probably take a hike. I think, I think I'd be okay with that. Um, I, yeah, they, they have great pieces in the back line and I don't think they know how to use them yet.
00:49:15
Speaker
And that's going to be a problem for them. They didn't get him the ball enough. Now we got three carries, 24 meters on three carries. Yeah. You might want to get, he's the big house. I know you don't want to wear them out completely, but like, Yep.
00:49:47
Speaker
Right. Something like that. Yeah.
00:50:17
Speaker
Agreed. You know, that's, you know, that's the, that's the pressure that Penny's going to come under, you know, and he's not, he's not razor. You got to accept that. And, you know, I think we, like you said last week, Grace was one of the best coaches club wise of all time. I hope he does well at international level. Cause I think, I think so too. He's got, he's got good ideas. He's got a good head on him. Um,
00:50:49
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, I don't think that Yeah, I think the Crusaders aren't in trouble. I just don't think that They're gonna I I don't think that they're gonna be the same and I think and we talked about last week They're on the way. I mean only three they're on the way to trouble. No doubt
00:51:19
Speaker
Um, yeah, I'm not, I. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um, anyway. Yeah. Of course.
00:51:42
Speaker
They gave it to I will say so. Yeah, we'll go to we'll go to Brumby's force I will say they gave it to him for a little while, but just They can't finish like they can't Where we're at here, there's no question about that it's the They have issues with obviously what comes off the bench
00:52:04
Speaker
There's a lot good going on with like, Burry. I like a lot of what he's doing. I have no idea where the hell this Chase Tia Tia person came from.
00:52:18
Speaker
And yeah, they have some, they have some good pieces in certain places. Like I think Tizano's a little too erratic for that, for that back row. Like I think if he were to screw his fucking head on straight, they'd be fine, but I don't think he's got to ever have his head on straight. So it's like, yeah.
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah, playing much better. No, probably not. Yeah. He's being given a shot here by playing for the force now and getting away from war toss. Yeah, the the Rumbies just. I wouldn't say they. Did an amazing job by coming back and making sure that they nailed this game down, but
00:53:22
Speaker
They took what opportunities that the force presented them and that was enough. I don't see a whole lot of other good things going on with that Brumby's team though. He did.
00:53:50
Speaker
No, I don't think he's very good at all. The potential was there, but like, I think we're now, I think we're now at the point where he's just a number. Yep.
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah. No. Nope, nope. Yeah, but like...
00:55:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Let's go to Wellington. Like you had problems with O'Keeffe, I think Jordan White is dog shit, number one.
00:55:26
Speaker
Yeah, the the refereeing quality is just falling off a fucking cliff, which is it really is. It really is.
Blues Rugby Team Insights
00:55:34
Speaker
Anyway, blues, hurricanes, hurricanes, blues, whatever. We talked about the 62 split biting island in the ass. It bit the blues hard. They lost two backs like that. And then all of a sudden they have, you know, they're they're outside back middle midfield back in the game.
00:55:55
Speaker
And then their, their backup nine's playing wing and didn't play poorly by any means whatsoever. But man, that is not what you want to sign up for at the same time. He did. He had a family wedding. Poor form.
00:56:23
Speaker
I'm not mad about it. Trust me. I know we, we, we, we got away with one here. Um, yeah, I, I, the hurricanes played, played pretty damn well, especially without Jordan, considering that Jordy was out. Um, yeah, Riley Higgins played really well. I mean, I did not have him down as the starting center, as we talked about last week, I thought it would be America Jensen, maybe, um,
00:56:50
Speaker
Sullivan, but nope. And I was like, all right, not, not mad about it. Works for me. Josh Morby is fast. And I understand a couple of those were walk-ins, but like, dude, dude, like, yeah, no, that hurts. Just, yeah, he's good. Um, Brett Cameron playing really well at 10, you know, trying to wind back the clock here.
00:57:20
Speaker
Speaking of winding back the clock though, how good was it to see TJ Parinara back out there? Yeah, come through a lot.
00:57:51
Speaker
Absolutely, yeah
00:58:30
Speaker
Yeah, I am hesitant to see what happens when this match is flipped and they have to go to Auckland, but still happy to take the W away from this whole thing. Yeah, no, he came off the bench. No.
00:59:04
Speaker
I hope so. I hope so. I really do. I know that this talk about like bringing Flanders back into the 15 and Dewey and I'm just like, no, no, no, these, those aren't guys we need to bring into the 15. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Howden's a busy boy, but not quite there yet.
00:59:43
Speaker
Yep. Let's go to your guys over on Brizzy.
01:00:10
Speaker
you
PWR Game of the Week & Refereeing Issues
01:00:44
Speaker
Oh yeah. Yeah, he tried to.
01:01:16
Speaker
Yeah, he was so fucked. Mm-hmm. Right. Yep.
01:01:54
Speaker
You do have to live with it, unfortunately. That's how it is. All right. They did. Yeah, he's played really well on that 13 chart. Keeps going like this.
01:02:22
Speaker
I know. Well, there's a couple, and there's a couple of guys that'll put their hand up for that shirt, but yeah. Sing a lot. Sing a lot. Still. Yep. He's up.
01:03:01
Speaker
And that's why that's when we move on. God. And we've reached that point. All right. Let's go to PWR game of the week. Quinn's made it fun for a bit, but
01:03:20
Speaker
I think we all knew that Gloucester heartbreak was eventually just going to pull away and they did. Yeah. Um, yes. Yeah. But eventually, you know, Sarah Beckett decided to boss the game. I'm a saying decided to boss the game. Like just the, the, the numbers just in the names, just roll off the tongue from heartbreak. And that's how it was going to be. Sadly, sadly, sadly. Um,
01:03:50
Speaker
I do want, I do think this is something cause she's in the team. I'm 99% sure. Um, can you take the T off scarlet with saying, Mm-hmm.
01:04:24
Speaker
Right. Um, yeah. Cause I mean, we're talking about World Cup 25 and a year's time. So you have to consider one is scared in your team for that. And two is she starting? I mean, I assume that she's in the team. She's starting, but, um, yeah, I think, I think it's worth a, worth a question. I don't know the, I don't know the answer, but I think it's worth the question. That's just me. That's just me. No. So yeah. And then, and
01:04:54
Speaker
I looked at it. I looked at it when I saw the graphic, I was like, Oh, damn, plus our priority clinched a home spot for the semi-final. I was like, okay. Okay. Well, then I see how this, I see how this game's going to go, man. All right. Well, it is what it is. Um, but good on them. They they're, they're definitely the best team right now. So good on them. Good on them.
01:05:22
Speaker
Oh, last thing, how much time do I spend on this? Cause it was, it was annoying to say the least. It's horrible. Yeah.
01:05:51
Speaker
I think for the most, most of the game, he was actually referring one team. Really? I look back at it and I was just like, you know, free jacks, I'll play them for a little bit, but really like some of the hammerhead shit that happened that just made no sense. Like.
01:06:09
Speaker
You had that punk 15 that judo flip Wilson and then he, um, tip tackled McDonald. I was like, so he gets to stay on the field and then the dog shit yellow cards that we were given. I was like, this isn't, and then Bonnie, Bonnie's a fucking punk. I hate that guy already. I'm sad. He plays for the U S cause he's a fucking douche. Two, no arms tackles.
01:06:44
Speaker
Almost nothing. Exactly.
01:07:16
Speaker
Absolutely. Doesn't matter. Poor. Just because he has a funny accent, he thinks he's a good at referee.
01:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think most of us did. It was pretty bad. I don't think it's a, it's pretty bad when you're like, you're proud of a performance that was so lopsided in terms of the penalties that you were giving away. And granted, the free jacks probably could have been a little more disciplined. And there were a couple of things that went sideways for them that really made the wheels come off. But like, it should be, when you look at it and you're like, all right, you've gone super lopsided one way in specific incidents like this, where you have two no-arms tackles in the game,
01:08:18
Speaker
neither of which are punished by it from one team. And the other one, it's a nothing no arms tackle at best, and you're yellow carded. So to me, that tells you that tells me one, you don't understand the balance of the game, and two, that you don't know how to be consistent. And that is the worst. That is the biggest file that you can have as a referee, you got to be even somewhat consistent. And there's no way you could say that there isn't. And you know, the
01:08:43
Speaker
He yelled at our freakin' back up tight head because he was trying to wiggle the fuck out of that ruck and they're kneeling on him. Like, how do you not know that? How can you not, how can you objectively look at that and say, oh, they're kneeling on him, but I'm gonna card him anyway. Like, you fucking idiot. No, but, oh, so's the back up hooker, sorry. You're right, my fault.
01:09:14
Speaker
I think he got carded for it too. Oh, we, we had to, we had to. Yeah, true.
01:09:56
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Very, very, very. So I do want to take a shot at someone. The official podcast.
01:10:19
Speaker
trolling the shit out of DC brought the bad juju on us. I will say that. Knock that shit off. They're a bunch of assholes anyway, but you know, no, knock that shit off, man. Don't be fucking trolling teens ahead of time. Like we won everything last year. That counts for nothing. It counts for absolutely nothing now. We got to do it all over again. Okay. Knock that shit off. I don't care if there's color schemes the same as ours. Nobody fucking cares. Promise you that much. Promise you that much.
01:10:51
Speaker
Anyway, back on track this week. Nobody cares. Yeah. Worry about the trophies in your cabinet. Don't have the color on your shirt. Jesus. I got dead.
01:11:27
Speaker
Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. All right. Cool. We got there in the end. So we are going to get out on over to the fancy corner. If you're going to join us over there, we will see you over there. If not, enjoy Super Saturday. If you're at the free Jack's Max, come by and stay high. Other than that, we'll catch you all next week. Enjoy all the Rutgers, everyone. Have a good one. Cheers.
01:12:01
Speaker
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01:12:08
Speaker
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