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26. The One Where We Learn to Breathe Again (with Tash Forbes)
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In this episode of The Mindful Educator podcast, Victoria is joined by breathwork facilitator, nervous system educator, mum, and founder of Breathing Space, Tash Forbes.
Tash shares the deeply honest story of hitting burnout, ending up in hospital with a major panic attack, and realising that “just talking about it” wasn’t shifting anything. From there, she discovered breathwork, experienced a profound session that changed her whole state, and decided to train as a facilitator so she could bring this work to other women.
Together, Victoria and Tash chat about the nervous system, why so many women are stuck in constant “go, go, go” mode, and how we can gently teach our bodies that it’s actually safe to slow down. They break down what breathwork really is (beyond “I’m breathing anyway!”), why so many of us have no idea how to truly take a deep, regulating breath, and how simple, tiny moments of intentional breathing can shift our entire day.
This episode is especially powerful for mums, educators and women who feel wired, snappy, unable to relax, or who “can’t meditate” and think that means they’re broken. You’ll walk away with practical nervous system tools you can use today — and simple ways to bring calming breath into your children’s routines, too.
Tash’s current offerings include:
- 1:1 breathwork sessions (online and in-person in Kununurra)
- A 6-week intensive women’s coaching container to help reset the nervous system
- Small group breathwork sessions in Kununurra, with plans to expand to online groups
Connect with Tash:
- Instagram: @tashforbes_
- Business: Breathing Space – breathing-space.com.au
Connect with Victoria:
If this episode resonated with you, or you’re curious about mindfulness, coaching or nervous system support, you can connect with Victoria here:
- Instagram: @the.victoria.r
- Podcast: The Mindful Educator (follow & leave a review if you loved this chat!)
- Website: victoria-r.com.au
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Transcript
Introduction and Background
00:00:39
Speaker
ah hello everyone. Welcome back to the Mindful Educator podcast. So I'm joined today by the beautiful Tash Forbes and Tash is a breathwork facilitator, a nervous system educator. She's also a mum and a creator of the space called Breathing Space. I'm really excited to have Tash on today and to have a bit of a chat because I've worked out lot of our work's quite similar in some ways, but also quite different. So it's gonna be quite interesting to delve in and hear from Tash's point of view. So Tash, welcome.
00:01:08
Speaker
Hello, Victoria. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm excited to be here. Awesome. So I thought we might just start off just by um you telling us a little bit about yourself and kind of how you've ended up in this kind of space and how you've ended up doing this work. So I'm going to hand that over to you Thank you.
00:01:27
Speaker
i I believe my journey into um this space, ah breath work and nervous systems probably starts like most others. We hit a point of burnout and then it's learning a new way of being.
00:01:44
Speaker
um And I know a lot of women can relate. um We just get so stuck in this cycle of like go, go, go, go. go And then there becomes a breaking point and then um So for me, that was not too long ago in, yeah, November 2023.
00:02:06
Speaker
I ended up in hospital um at breaking point. I'd screamed at my partner. Sarah yelled at the kids walked out like just hit this point of like I can't keep going like this, I was so anxious so
Discovering Breathwork Through Personal Crisis
00:02:21
Speaker
overwhelmed. Sarah Robinson, I just had no joy in life left like I just was you autopilot in through the days, and I was like they just I don't know what more there is like it was a really started to feel like really depressive and i ended up going up to the hospital with a major panic attack. Sarah Robinson,
00:02:42
Speaker
They put me on some anti-anxiety meds and I said to the doctor, so when can I come off these? And his response was, when you aren't anxious.
00:02:55
Speaker
I was like, okay, so how do I do that? Yeah. Oh, we should start seeing a psych. And I was like, okay, no worries. But I'd been seeing a psych for like the 12 months beforehand and like not much was sort of like shifting.
00:03:06
Speaker
i felt like I was, you know, working through some of the stuff, but just talking about it just really didn't. give me much result. yeah I then love the way the phone listens.
00:03:20
Speaker
Like your phone is like always listening Yeah. Do you get that? And so yeah um I, in the 12 months prior my bit of like my breakdown, I experienced um i really traumatic pregnancy and motherhood was just really hard for me working full time as the manager of housing.
Transformative Experience and Training
00:03:43
Speaker
ah with the Department of Communities and just high pressure situation then trying to be a mom and then trying to be a woman and then a wife and a friend, like all those things it all just kind of got a bit too much.
00:03:55
Speaker
And.
00:03:58
Speaker
Yes, so I. It came up on my Facebook breath work. And I was like, oh, I'm breathing anyway. What do you mean breath work? Which most of us probably think. Which is probably the most common response that most people have when they hear like breath work. Like, what do you mean I'm breathing anyway?
00:04:14
Speaker
So I booked in for a session and I went and had my first breath work experience with a facilitator and it completely shook me.
00:04:27
Speaker
I was crying, i was shaking, it was a bit of like a really hectic experience and i came out of that feeling so whole.
00:04:40
Speaker
And I was like, this is the coolest thing I've ever done. why is this not on every single corner? of every single street in Australia. um The healing that I was able to obtain out of that one breathwork session was really profound.
00:04:57
Speaker
um And I felt ah ah instantly coming out, I felt lighter, the tension in my shoulders had shifted, the belief that I was carrying that I you know that I had to do everything was just like so many things had shifted in that session.
00:05:13
Speaker
so then I took it upon myself to sign up for the training straight after that. And I was like, I'm going to do this. This is, this is what more the world need more of.
Understanding Breathwork Techniques
00:05:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:05:24
Speaker
That's so awesome. so for those of us that don't really know much about breath work, what it like, what is it? So obviously and involves breathing, but our, like, why did your body have such an insane response to it? Like, what does it actually, how does that happen?
00:05:40
Speaker
With breath work. So there's such a, spectrum of breath work or like an umbrella, like there's so much that fits under the umbrella of breath work, like breath work, you and i breathing, becoming conscious of our breath breath work.
00:05:54
Speaker
But then there's also breath work that um activates and energizes the body. Okay. And then there's breath work techniques, like the breath work that I facilitate where it completely changed your biology tape really oxygenates the body and takes your thinking mind offline.
00:06:14
Speaker
um accesses like that subconscious part of your mind um and then that's where we can really get into that part of the nervous system where we're kind of like driven from essentially a and yeah so that's like breath work there's so many different techniques and and like everybody's like I've heard of it um most people liken it to like mindfulness meditation or yoga because in yoga you're obviously doing a lot of breathing but what I've found through my work is that we actually functionally aren't even breathing that well to support our bodies so that's like another
00:07:02
Speaker
side part of breath work that yeah isn't really considered like we're breathing anyway but are we really breathing in a way that supports our ah being yeah um and so i'm really having fun with that at the moment um leaning more into like that bit of functional breath work yeah around breathing to support your body and support your nervous system on a daily basis outside of like a specific healing technique Yeah, that's so cool.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, because I know, obviously, i i've run mindfulness sessions with children and adults and stuff. So obviously, you know, deep breathing is a thing, but I haven't really done much in terms of the breathwork side of things. And I know some people have said, ah for those that I've spoken to have done it, some walk away and they're like, oh, I felt really invigorated and really alive. And then others are like, I felt so drained and kind of you know, like I've been pummeled by something. say I guess when you're kind of activating that nervous system and kind of delving deep, you can have either response really, can't you? So I know for some people, they love it. Some people hate it. So it's quite interesting kind of that.
00:08:05
Speaker
Yeah. or there The discomfort of the, of, that deeper healing breath work is something that not everybody um is comfortable with because it's hard and like the human brain is also wired to take us away from discomfort you know we want rather stay with what's comfortable so to move through a breathing technique that is getting you back into your body and bringing up a lot of these emotions that we've never really been safe to sit with
00:08:38
Speaker
um it it can be it can be a lot for for those people.
Group vs Individual Breathwork
00:08:43
Speaker
I've found a lot of these breath works happen in group settings, which is great.
00:08:50
Speaker
um But I also find depending on the safety of that group setting, are you if you're somebody who's never felt safe from you know the age of five or six to feel sad or feel shame or feel guilt like within drop you into a breathwork session in a group of you know 15 people and then you're like that's not ever actually been safely so i think the one-on-one sessions that are being facilitated i find to be quite intimate experience and um safety can be found in that to really move through rather than just in the group settings i'm not sure if you've heard similar but um
00:09:33
Speaker
Katharine Hayhoe, Yeah, results of the one on ones can be quite healing because you're also not how you're not subconsciously like judging yourself or like somebody else crying and. Katharine Thinking why they you know, like you can kind of be like a bit distracting I have only ever done group settings online so i'm not sure how and i'm. Katharine Hayhoe, I'm going to Perth in a couple of weeks and i'm excited to go and try out a few groups, because mean I love breath work personally. Katharine Hayhoe, Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how they.
00:10:02
Speaker
how people move through those group settings. Yeah. So obviously one-on-one is an option to do, because I know for me, i i know that I don't ah let go very well in a group setting. So for me, I'd probably have to focus on one-on-one or like you said, an online where at least no one else can hear you sort of thing. So yeah, it's good to know that those options are there because I think the only ones I've mainly seen are these big group sessions, like you said, down in Perth and other things. So yeah, that's good to know as well.
00:10:31
Speaker
Yeah, I facilitate my sessions online as well as in person here where I am. I find a lot of I've had a few people that have been to a group setting and they're like it that just you know I didn't feel safe.
00:10:45
Speaker
I'm carrying a lot of trauma and that just was not a safe setting so i like with the one on ones working. um yeah, it's quite intimate and that, you know, being a trauma informed practitioner as well, and understanding that, um, and helping someone move through it is.
00:11:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So with, when you say you're a trauma informed practitioner, what does that mean as well? Like, how does that kind of play into it? Sort of understanding the nervous system, understanding how trauma is working in your body and then, you know, helping you ground through and move through that rather than just sort of like,
00:11:26
Speaker
making you breathe through it and stand staying to a standard script. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Cool. I love that. um So for those of us kind of moving it out our day to day, are there any things that you would suggest that we could start doing now without having to go to a breathwork session or without having to go to a facilitator that could just
Integrating Breathwork in Daily Life
00:11:46
Speaker
help?
00:11:46
Speaker
Because I know there's a lot of parallels between our stories. Like I know for me personally, yeah, I ended up in hospital. That was kind of a big wake up call for me as well. um And kind of things changed drastically from that point.
00:11:59
Speaker
to kind of avoid people having to do and get to that point that we both got so Are there some things that we can be doing each day that can just assist with our nervous system regulation?
00:12:10
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Obviously I'm really passionate about getting to the root cause of what the dysregulation is, which is something that I find a lot of people aren't willing to look at, um but coming, you know, like from that alignment piece for you, it,
00:12:29
Speaker
you're going to continue to get dysregulated if when you're not willing to sort of like look into what is the cause of the dysregulation, which is obviously what you know you and I both help women with so.
00:12:41
Speaker
but in terms of tools to help you through your day definitely your breath is the quickest and easiest you obviously carry it with you all the time, and if you're not breathing well.
00:12:54
Speaker
you know, it's not looking good. this so True, true. and What I find is
00:13:03
Speaker
we are told to take a deep breath to calm down. It's like kind of my biggest pet hate now because I know that you, you know, if your body's not been in a calm, regulated state for years, and I know that is true for me. So for me, it was,
00:13:22
Speaker
and several years where I was just in this constant state of fight or flight, which led me to obviously my hospitalization. But when we're in it, we don't recognize that there's any, I think we, we're just going, going, going, you know, and when there's no, somebody asked me, well, how does somebody know that they're in fight or flight?
00:13:45
Speaker
yeah You need to really show the body what it's like to be calm again, to know that you're actually not to, to know that you're in fight or flight. Yeah. So an easiest, quickest way is through your breath to do that.
00:13:58
Speaker
um Most of our population breathes short, sharp and shallow, which is then allowing the body and the brain to tell us that we're in this fight or flight state.
00:14:09
Speaker
So slowing down and taking a deep breath in moments when you are calm, you know, when you're making your coffee or when you're reading your kids a book or when you're sitting on the lounge watching Netflix, like really breathing deep breaths then low and slow into your belly, not into your chest will change your biology will make your nervous system switch states.
00:14:38
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. I love that you're saying to do it when you're calm as well. Cause there's nothing more frustrating than when you are in a moment. It's like, just breathe. You're like, Oh my gosh. It's a bit like a red flag to a bull, isn't it? It's like, what do you mean? Like, I don't need to be, I just know. Yeah. Now's not the time.
00:14:58
Speaker
Yeah. And expecting our body to to calm down when it is so, um you know, when something has activated us, something has caused us to move into that fight or flight response is like um we just need to yet feel that for a sec.
00:15:14
Speaker
And then also, yeah, if we do need to calm down, breathing into that lower part of our belly. yeah Yeah. 99% of the people that I have seen through the work that I do is a deep breath is a and everybody's shoulders rise and they breathe like into their chest and um you know let's that is that is essentially keeping your body in that fight or flight state so breathing low and slow into your belly expanding you know that part of your body yeah um when you're breathing out the belly button falling back towards your spine and breathing in a way that is
00:15:57
Speaker
actually calming for the body, activating that parasympathetic nervous system yeah its helpful. I don't know about you, but I was never taught to take a deep breath. Everybody just says it, but nobody showed me how to do it essentially. And I was like,
00:16:13
Speaker
I think it was only when I did some yoga and some meditation that I kind of learned about that because yeah it was, yeah, I didn't have a clue before that. So yeah And I think a lot of people say to me, oh, but I can't meditate. So that means I can't do breath work.
00:16:32
Speaker
And I'm like, no that is completely breath work is a part of meditation, but you don't need to be able to meditate to be able to do breath work. You actually can't meditate if your body is not in the parasympathetic.
00:16:48
Speaker
Your body that is wired to look for danger and keep your mind running is not going to be able to sit and relax and, you know, actually enjoy all the benefits of meditation yeah when it's not in that correct state.
Benefits of Proper Breathing Techniques
00:17:06
Speaker
Yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. And it's interesting that you say that as well, because I think most people are like, oh, meditation. Yeah. Like how boring, blah, blah, blah. Like, and I hear that a lot. Like people like, oh, I can't just sit there and and meditate, you know, even five minutes. And it's like,
00:17:22
Speaker
why can't you, why can't you sit there for five minutes? Like we're not asking much out of the 24 hours of a day. Five minutes is all you've been asked to do. And they're saying that they can't even rest and yeah relax for that amount of time. And it's yeah kind of like, oh, so maybe if you're not able to do that, that could be a sign that perhaps, ah yeah, you're in fighting flight right there. that is That is like a number one sign. I know for me, even to sit with my kids and play Lego to read them a book, my body would,
00:17:52
Speaker
start to become anxious, I'd start to buzz my mind would be racing like did you unpack that dishwasher is the washing c still on and I know a lot of women can relate like we can't a lot of women can't sit and just be still because there's actually no safety in your body to sit and be still, we need to read sort of train your body to know that sitting still is safe through your nervous system to then be able to um enjoy those moments of stillness and um slowing down. It's very hard to slow down if your body's not ever safe to do that. So that's where I think the breath work comes in is because we can do all the things, add it to the calendar, put it on a to-do list, you know, set a timer, you're like all these things. But if we're not actively using our breath to change our state, none of it's even going to work.
00:18:43
Speaker
Oh, so interesting, isn't it? And I love that you've also brought up like, you know, if we can't lay with our kids while we're reading or things like that, like what else did you notice when you were kind of in that state of, you know, being constantly wired and not being able to calm yourself? Like what other signs came up for you Very agitated, snapping.
00:19:04
Speaker
My mind could never rest, restless sleep, the always doing, never in the being. But I think I mentioned it before. It's like, I didn't until I've come out of that state.
00:19:16
Speaker
I thought that was just me. I thought that I was just the high performer go get, I get shit done. That was just me and my personality from like being seven years old. That's how I've always been.
00:19:26
Speaker
So they kind of keep pushing and pushing. And it was like only when I'm out of the storm, essentially, that I can actually look back and be like, that was not normal.
00:19:40
Speaker
And I think so much of our world now is normalising this go go, go, go, go. Got to have 100 things on the go and we can't just sit.
00:19:52
Speaker
but not it's It's uncomfortable to sit still, one. yeah And we're just, yes a lot of our bodies are not safe to do that. Yeah. oh Yeah, because I know for me as well, I also had like a lot of physical symptoms come through, which at the time, again, i didn't pay attention to, but I, you know, constantly getting sick you know, I was getting psoriasis, like all sorts of things were coming up physically for me as well as all the mental side of things. And yeah, it's not kind of like, you know, however many years down the track, it's like, oh, okay, Victoria, that wasn't normal.
00:20:23
Speaker
yeah You know, your body had been screaming at you for years. like Yeah. And that's what it does, doesn't it? It whispers before it starts to scream. So yeah I think I love the world that we're moving into with this more holistic approach and people are now being a lot more open to, oh no I wouldn't say alternative, but yeah, alternative ways of, um, helping them become like healthier in terms of like mind, body and spirit.
00:20:54
Speaker
Um, but traditionally it's still not there. And I, and I know like I've had,
00:21:06
Speaker
conversations with, you know, medical professionals and GPs. I'm like, at not one point, did anybody ask me the state of my nervous system? Not at one point in that whole time I was seeing and talking, did anybody ask me to come back to my body and check with my breath? How was my breath?
00:21:24
Speaker
Of course I was anxious 24 seven because I was breathing in a way that never supported me to feel safe and calm. So And now when you, aren like when you brought that up with them, did anyone say anything about it?
00:21:39
Speaker
Afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's fascinating. So now I'm working really hard to, you know, educate.
Raising Awareness and Teaching Breathwork
00:21:47
Speaker
well I mean, our medical professionals already know this.
00:21:51
Speaker
It's just, they obviously don't have the time and space to provide that sort of one-on-one support to clients. So, yeah um, Yeah. And I suppose that's now what you and I offer as a complimentary service. So,
00:22:06
Speaker
Yeah, and it's just, I think it's, yeah, just spreading that awareness, making sure people recognise that, you know, this isn't normal. Yeah. That's much better way to be living. and And, yeah, I think like you said, it's just trying to get that word out there, isn't there? And, you know, i let as many people Yeah, absolutely. And, i'm i'm you know, the world that we live in with so many great platforms now, like podcasting and, you know, there's so much information out there. It's not like there's a lack of information.
00:22:32
Speaker
It's just having... um I think hearing from somebody that has already moved themselves through the motions, I suppose, and at the other side and knowing that it is possible for them to, to live a little healthier and a little happier breathing easier. Definitely. I love that.
00:22:55
Speaker
So in terms of children and for, you know, parents that may be listening or educators or anyone else, how can we go about supporting the children to kind of recognize that, you know, recognize all this and that they don't grow up thinking that this is normal and, you know, all the rest of it. What would you suggest for that perspective?
00:23:15
Speaker
ah My suggestion would be the more times you can check in with your breath throughout the day, check in with your state, how are you really feeling and really breathe in a way that supports that.
00:23:29
Speaker
rest and digest part of your body the easier it is good when you are overwhelmed you are going to be able to calm down like i see it in my son when he's you know really upset and i'm like there's no point telling you and take a deep breath to calm down because you can't actually hear me and we we you know we need to really practice that and show the body that that is a safe breath to take especially if it's not been something that you've done for a while, it's not, you're not automatically going to be able to do it.
00:23:57
Speaker
I like to say it's sort of like, imagine walking into a waterfall with no path. You've kind of got to walk the path in, you know, yeah to really have the body become like familiar with it. So those more times, you don't need an hour to practice. Like,
00:24:13
Speaker
yeah Sarah Five 10 minutes a day and we all have that it's just what are we willing to prioritize right, um I know, for me before bed practicing with my children just having them lay on the floor and we just breathe into our belly and really. Sarah Have the moment to check in with how they're feeling how their day went and um really like set the tone to be able to go to bed easier.
00:24:35
Speaker
yeah i love that as well that's a really yeah a really good idea to do it just before bear because obviously that's going to help calm their body as well and hopefully kind of get them in that that's like me when i can't sleep deep breathing works every time yeah yeah and i believe like there we are the most you know suscept our brain's most susceptible just before sleep for new information so the more that we you know, implement these things, it just becomes their natural way of being then, you know.
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah. And just getting them to feel their body as well. And I think those emotions and feel what comes up, which yeah thus we're told just to, shut it down, move on, keep smiling. Mm-hmm.
00:25:23
Speaker
but but I know like so many of us don't want our children and that generation growing up with what we're pretty much trying to undo as adults really, isn't it? Yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker
not playing a blame game. It's just, you know, once we know better, we can do better. so Absolutely. Absolutely. And i we're all busy. Yep. mums, business owners, like dads, everybody is busy.
00:25:48
Speaker
ah But I think it's one of those things where it's not going to slow down, time's not going to slow down, we just need to implement the right things into our day. It's not about going away to massive yoga retreats every week, or i mean, they're great. But the more you can add micro moments to your day chair um be mindful of your breath, and check back in with yourself, is this actually what I need right now, then yeah we're going to move through much calmer, happier humans.
00:26:19
Speaker
yeah i love that and i know for me like even just when i'm having a shower each night like i just take a few moments at the end before i turn the water off just to kind of be and feel the water going over me take a few deep breaths and again like that's you know it literally probably less than a minute that i spend doing that and it's like well it really is it can't be that easy like it doesn't have to be like you said a huge retreat or an hour long or whatever it might be we seem to over complicate these things and absolutely it's not groundbreaking we're already We're already carrying our breath.
Historical and Cultural Context
00:26:49
Speaker
So you, you already, we already have the time, you know, we just need to, it's, it's just changing your awareness to become conscious of the breath that you're taking.
00:26:58
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, interesting. I love that. And I love that. Yeah. It's such a, like you said, an easy way that we can do it with our kids as well. I think I'm, I'm definitely going to bring that in now with mine. ah Yeah. yeah i like yeah Two minutes, you know, the science is there. Change your breath, change your being, you know, change your state. So.
00:27:16
Speaker
Yeah. And I think this is what people also don't realize. Like, as you said, it is backed by science. Like there's a lot of research that has gone into a lot of these different methods that are coming through that have been proven to actually improve your whole state. So yeah. Yeah. yeah It's not, yeah. I think it's gaining a lot of traction as like a new trend, but I believe it's been around for centuries.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah. So it's, and we look at a lot of, you know, those Eastern cultures, Breath work is massive in their um in their life and the way that they respond to stress is a hell of a lot different to our Western culture. So I think we can take something from that.
00:27:59
Speaker
Definitely. Yeah, for sure. And kind of go, oh, well, obviously something's working well for them. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love that. So in terms of what you're offering, so I know that you've mentioned that you do the one-on-one sessions and you also, are you doing the group sessions at the moment or is it just mainly one-on-one that you're focusing am doing group sessions in Kununurra.
Current Offerings and Programs
00:28:20
Speaker
yeah Small group sessions in Kununurra. Yeah. um And hopefully next year, looking to branch out into some group sessions online. But my main offerings at the moment are one on one breath work sessions and a six week intensive women's coaching to sort of like really help you reset that nervous system.
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah, that's awesome. Cause I know obviously people listening, they like, Oh, I wouldn't mind trying breath work. Like it's good to know that do offer this as well, because like I said, people will probably be like, Oh, I could probably use that. so So yeah, it is handy to know. Yeah, exactly.
00:29:04
Speaker
I love that. um So just before we finish up, if you could leave the listeners with like one piece of advice, what would it be?
Practical Advice for Listeners
00:29:14
Speaker
just to throw a curve ball.
00:29:17
Speaker
I definitely think, I definitely know it would be breathe into your belly, keep your chest still, don't move the shoulders as often as you can.
00:29:28
Speaker
The more you practice the deep belly breaths, the more your body and brain move into the parasympathetic, the calm yeah regulated state, the more that you can take your, get your breath to take you there,
00:29:44
Speaker
the more ease and calm you'll have throughout the rest of your day. Love that. Yeah. It's just like not groundbreaking. Yeah.
00:29:55
Speaker
But it is so important to be able to recognise your different states. And then if you, you know, you weren't willing to maybe look at the root cause of why that, why it keeps activating you.
00:30:07
Speaker
I mean, you can still just hack it for a little while longer. Yeah. i love it ah Awesome. So Tash, where can people find you then if they want to get in contact? Yes. So I'm on Instagram, Tash Forbes, and my business is breathing-space and you can find me at breathing-space.com.au. Awesome. Oh, thank you so much for joining me today. And thank you so much for going in and telling us so much about your story and breathwork and yeah, I'm really interested to hear kind of, yeah, how it goes and all the kind of journey that you go on and everything else. I'll definitely be following along to see what, what you get up to. So thank you so much. Thank you so much. I really appreciate having you having me on. Awesome.
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All right. Thanks, Tash.
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Okay.