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Episode 15; Champions Cup Round 6
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What a final round of games in Champions Cup Pool play it was. We give our thoughts and opinions on the recent Gillette ad that has been made famous. We also talk about the England squad selection (49:59) and the other squads as well (59:37). Give our best wishes to Emiliano Sala (1:01:31) and Jamie Cudmore (1:07:44). Of course, we touch on all the games, even for a brief moment on some; EDNvMON (8:21), NEWvTLN (11:47), SARvGLA (13:12), CARvLYO (18:37), R92vSCA (19:17), LECvULS (21:58), MUNvEXE (26:19), CASvGLO (32:31), LENvWAS (34:11), TLOvBAT (38:34). We also look at the QF matchups (40:30). Our thoughts on the EPCR’s official fantasy game and much more.
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Transcript
Introduction and Milestones
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It's the fancy rugby podcast. My name is Jared. I'm Ben. Thanks for coming along. We're recording from just outside Boston, Massachusetts. It is a cold Tuesday here in Boston. So hopefully wherever you are, it's much warmer, which is tits. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Two of them. Yeah. Big time. So everybody that doesn't know and probably you wouldn't know this unless I told you we have 100 downloads.
00:00:33
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Who knew? Look at us passing the century mark. Either we have like two people that are really into us, or we have a couple people that like it. So if you're the one person there that's supporting us, you can reach out to us. We won't put you to shame or anything like that.
Fantasy Rugby and Social Commentary
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We won't bite.
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No. So there's that and then Fantasy Rugby for Super League. Our league has one spot left in it, believe it or not. And if you're listening to this right now, you actually might be too late. So hopefully you grab the spot. Our draft is this Saturday and it's going to be a fun, fun time. We might actually pod during it. So that'll be a bit of an entertainment for you all to listen to me curse myself for all the terrible picks I make.
00:01:14
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Right. We're going to we're going to fuck this up. We might as well fuck it up for the world to see. Yeah. As we do it. Here it is. This is how bad we are. OK. So, yeah, if you don't know where we are, we're we're can't watch can't bear it. It's felt like Bowden Barrett. And we got one spot left. I'm actually surprised about that. That's really cool. Yeah. But everybody seemed everybody in the league seems excited to ready to play. So we're going to have some fun with that.
00:01:40
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I think so too i'm looking forward to it and The whole and the rankings are out so we can talk about that afterwards. Um We'll kind of do things in a little reversal or I have one thing that I want to get to before we get to the games and then we'll Talk about other things at length because I think we're gonna breeze through the games pretty fast here today. So um, what's on your mind Jared? so There's a company that
00:02:04
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is based here in Boston that released an ad recently that people seem to be a little up in arms about. And I have something to say. So this is going to be about four minutes long. So if you don't want to hear about the Gillette commercial, or you don't necessarily think you're going to agree with my view, hit that fast forward button a few times till about four minutes in front, you'll you'll be over it. It'll be fine. Okay.
00:02:26
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we'll get through this. I promise. So for those of you that might have a giant issue with the Gillette ad recently, and think that that's not that you know, we can we don't wait that we raise boys fine. Yes, we do sometimes that's okay. But if you're not quite understanding what they're getting at, you're either thick in the head and really don't and again, you really don't get it. Or you're a jerk and you either way, if you follow me on social media,
00:02:53
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There's an unfollow button. There's a block button. Make use of it because I don't want anything to do with you. Okay. Boys can be raised to not be complete jerks and still be stand up, honorable and quote unquote tough. I can tell you this much as a guy that was raised by a single mom. This is not a woman that you cross. She was plenty tough. Okay, but still got it across to me somehow without teaching me about hitting people and being bullies.
00:03:21
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I'm also buried to a very strong, strong willed woman. You could say that again. Neither one of them don't cross them. I promise you, it's not a good idea. I've done it once or twice. It ends poorly. And Jared's story is my story here, too. It kind of makes sense as we're friends, right? We kind of have a similar background. Right. So and my point in saying that is, again, I'm not some soft little insecure, quote unquote, snowflake, certainly not more insecure than most men are.
00:03:46
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And believe me, most men are very insecure. Don't let them fool you. And you've got plenty of reason to be insecure. Plenty, plenty. But as somebody call it, you know, whatever you want to call it, but yet somehow I've worded turning into a complete shitbag and learned how to not hit women, not be a bully, not be a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk. If you need to stoop to that level, because it makes you feel better and you're too insecure about
00:04:12
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who you are and what you what you're about, you need to sort that out and not take it out on somebody else, whether it be another person or whatever it is. And I'm not saying that guys can't boys can't roll around in the dirt and tussle around. I've got fun. Right.
00:04:27
Speaker
And I've got I've got marks from getting into little tussles and little little squirrels I got I had one on my neck that's gone. I have one on my wrist still It's a they're not big marks, but trust me. I've been in my some on my face, right? I do too, but that's for a different reason again, you know, I'm not saying that boys can't roll around in the dirt and and Get into a little little tussles here and there it happens. It should happen. It's gonna happen. That's okay
00:04:50
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But I can tell you this much if I have a son if everyone we have kids the boss and I will certainly be teaching him Fighting is not the answer if he's being bullied. He's gonna have my last name. He's gonna get bullied. Trust me. He'll get picked on it happens Try to put it into it without swings. Okay, if you can do it that if you do it that way first great and if not, then you know try to get to the point where
00:05:15
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where you don't have that. But if it comes down to it, stand up for yourself. That's okay. I don't have a problem with people standing up for themselves and being strong in that case. Yeah, you have to stand up for for the defenseless. And if you feel like you're a little bit defenseless, sometimes you have to stand up for yourself. And again, and if somebody else sees this type of stuff going on, hopefully they'll step in and address the situation. Yeah. And that's what I'm about. So I'm proud to call Boston my home.
00:05:39
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I'm proud that Boston has a company like Gillette that started this conversation and started it in a place that it needs to start in order for things to get better, where women aren't being abused and people aren't getting bullied inappropriately and not having, you know, Andre the Giant types picking on people that are about the size of Pikachu, you know.
00:05:58
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If I can chime in on that myself, there was a local story here about a woman who disappeared, what was it, Friday night, Saturday night? She's alive. They just found her today. She's alive. Great news. I was listening to a commentary about it on the radio and one of the female producers chimed in and said, yeah, you have to be paying attention. You always have to be observant and alert. I'm sitting in my car and I'm like,
00:06:28
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First off I never have to so why should why can't it's terrible that she has to right? It's terrible that any woman has to yes And she's saying you have to watch yourself and I'm saying no Why don't we just teach boys that it's wrong to abduct women? Yeah rape women or any of the abuse them in any way? Yeah, let's let's let's try to work on being less abusive and I think that's a great message for everyone Absolutely as we talk about rugby and abuse the hell out of grown men
00:06:55
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We can we can we can work on that still be strong men and still be productive members of the world. Yep Yeah, so that's our message. So great job Gillette and there goes all our listeners Hopefully not actually I think we got the right type of listeners on yeah with the way you and I are so everybody that's out there I hope you're still listening and if you are that means you're probably one of the good people out there Keep fighting the good fight
00:07:17
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All right. Let's drink some beer first before we do anything silly. Let's show that we can drink some beer while being... Not being complete jackasses. I can be a jackass. I just don't want to be a jackass to the people that don't need it. Well, complete jackass. I think that's where we are. Maybe that's where it is. I think that's the point. I think that's the point you're on there, yeah. All right. Get my computer out of the way so I don't spill beer all over it. And we're still drinking the Alchemists. So again,
00:07:47
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Thank you, Alchemist. I think this is our last two. This is the last pair that we have. So if anybody has Alchemist or a beer conduction, send them our way, baby. All right. So let's let's just jump right into the games because we're going to probably breeze through them because we didn't. I didn't watch them all. No, they're only, to my mind, a handful of matches of that worth watching. So.
00:08:11
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Even some of the ones that I watched, I didn't necessarily pay that close attention to. No, not really, no. Just, you know, obviously the big notes that are on it. Start with Edinburgh and Montpellier. Huge win
Rugby Match Highlights
00:08:23
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for Edinburgh to come through and get a quarterfinal for them and get a home quarterfinal. That's a big thing for them. Montpellier just didn't rock up really. They definitely looked disorganized. It was 1910, which doesn't say that
00:08:38
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Montpellier didn't bring it they brought the effort that just didn't bring the game plan in my opinion. I mean Yeah to to to have your I mean, it's not your your whole season but your Champions Cup season on the line and and Bring 10 points to the table. Yeah, that's not
00:08:57
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than ideal no you got to show a little bit more more effort and determination you had one try and and one penalty kick that's not that's not desperate that's not playing with any sort of fire right um even if you're away i understand it's it's tough but
00:09:13
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At least, you know, if you're going to go out, why not try to go out with a bang? What's wrong with losing a corker that, you know, where you score 50, you know, both teams combined for 50 or more points? I'd rather if I'm going to go out, that's how I'm going out. I'm not going out scoring only 10 points.
00:09:31
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Yeah, I don't I I don't understand how how they didn't pull it up I put two penalties down here for Peter. I know that was wrong. Yeah, two kicks Yeah, no, you said the one. Yeah, just the one there Vanderbilt was obviously using his his foot quite well in that game They end up giving the man the match to the big lock didn't they I
00:09:55
Speaker
Oh, I wasn't going to get to him at that point. I think I did, yeah. Yeah, I mean. I kind of was drifting in and out. It was Friday afternoon. It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Oh, yeah, it was fun. I was, you know, Cocker's does it again. Yeah, he's figured it out again. So whatever was going on between, he was at Toulon briefly before this, before he went to Edinburgh, and then whatever was going on that got him sacked at Leicester, I think it might not have been Cockerill that was the issue. I'm going to go out on a limb.
00:10:23
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Yeah, well you look at those two teams now and you figure okay, well there's You know, what are they doing wrong? There's something going on here. Yes, it wasn't a cock role at all. No So not the majority anyway. No, yeah, I'm sure he I'm sure when issues pop up. Nobody's innocent No, you know, I'm sure he I'm sure he did his best to make sure that stipple ship was steady Yeah, and probably a lot wrong
00:10:47
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So Edinburgh moves on they get the fourth seed in the quarterfinal Talk about who's playing who in a little bit here, but good for Edinburgh That's gonna be cool to see BT Maryfield get a quarterfinal Not a far cry away from the tune, which is just a little south of there technically Newcastle's there Edinburgh is Newcastle's closest professional team
00:11:10
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Interesting. I didn't know that until they played each other this year. I was like, ooh, that's not great. I mean, makes a rough trip every time that Newcastle has to go away from home. That's for sure. Although, I mean, come on now. England's not that big. Oh, I know. Well, people talk about it and I'm just like, do travel in the United States and let me know what's up. Yeah. Europe is probably the closest thing to relate to that.
00:11:31
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probably it's about the same size so it's this is like you know for whatever traveling from from new castle down to london it's gotta be what here to new york maybe yeah yeah it's probably yeah it's probably here in new york it's probably a fair fair estimation day trip yep right um
00:11:47
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Newcastle and Toulon Caught the tail end of it didn't really watch a lot of it Looks like Newcastle at least brought it yeah, that's what I'm talking about didn't go out You know yeah, you did talk touch on that earlier right like you're you don't have anything really to play for I mean they didn't have anything to play for
00:12:03
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And they're going out and and rocking up trying to to Throw their best match, you know at too long Came up short, but at least they gave it everything Absolutely. So I mean and so Again, i'll stop banging on my pellet
00:12:20
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Yeah, you know bring something more than 10 points. Yep But yeah, I missed the end of that I think we've both flipped over. Yeah, you flipped over like it was basically 10 seconds before I did Yeah, well, I will say the little bit I saw it looked like the referee got a couple of decisions right now right in a row wrong from Newcastle But again, I don't know how what the game flow is like so but it looked like a couple of obvious ones that like
00:12:41
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No matter what the game flow probably shouldn't have been the decision, but really it's an it's an irrelevant thing It's good to see that new castle at least brought it. Yeah, obviously too long redeemed themselves after losing at home to new castle in the in the fall So that's that um, hopefully this both hopefully that you know new castle can
00:13:01
Speaker
build some momentum back towards the, the premiership because make it, make it interesting at least please. Yeah. All right. Um, our boys Sarah stands Glasgow. Whoo. This figured that one out. Yeah. That was, uh, that was, that was tight for the, for the first half hour. Yeah. First half. Yeah. First 40 minutes or so was definitely a interesting,
00:13:26
Speaker
Right. And I was, I was very impressed with Glasgow because they, they played a really smart tactical game and you know how much I love that. They, what they, they spotted. Who needs tactics? They, they spotted a weak, both what they decided would be a weak point for Saracens, which was their box kicking and said, we know they're going to do it. Yeah. You can't really stop them from doing it because I mean, they, you know, they set up well and they get, they, they make no bones about this is what we're doing.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, and they usually can execute fairly well, too, right and and uh Glasgow said, okay, here's what we're gonna do when it's in a mall situation. We're gonna set up somebody just off them You know, we're gonna kind of bring the guy around. Yeah and and charge to try to charge it down from the from from there an on-side position once soon as uh was it spencer or wigglesworth takes that ball out whichever one's out there
00:14:18
Speaker
They that led to one try by charging it down Yep, and I think it led to another one when they had a really beautiful play set up to counter Yes, I did where they they had their whole back. It was it was a box kick up the left side They had everybody's out well They had some three players in the midfield and then their wing way off to the right. Nobody was paying attention to him Everybody was at the press
00:14:40
Speaker
Cut in I I don't they didn't score right off of it. No, I might have been the see more try, right? I can't recall if they scored off of it But they gained significant field position just by a little chip towards the right the counter kick Yeah, but not directly up the field over to the right where nobody was just a beautiful play and that all comes down to All right. Here's how we're gonna. Yeah attack this specific Wilson tri-action I think about
00:15:04
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But yeah, it was a good job. They stopped that, or at least Sarri's adjusted, and you see the result. Yeah, they tactically adjusted well. Had to make a heck of a tactical adjustment before the game. Feral going down late.
00:15:19
Speaker
Late in the week and they didn't know they didn't announce it till basically friday night Yeah, it was when they decided to make the decision that he wasn't playing and ben spencer ben spencer was going to be the kicker and good was going to move up Yeah, um, and then who came off straddle came off this game, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, so lasoski ended up bumping the wing right early, too That was that was a little scary. That was a little scary. They pulled it out. Yeah, they figured out um and maro a toji
00:15:45
Speaker
He's a beast gets his Dan news, but yeah, that's not news but but with ball in hand Went in and again, I was talking to my boss about this. We were watching it and she's like like She said it's interesting because he normally either gets the ball and kind of takes on contact takes a tackle and accepts the tackle or he
00:16:05
Speaker
Gets the ball and spins it wide. Yeah. And then, which I agree with. I think that's generally what sounds about right. Yeah. And, but he scored that try off of that. I want to talk about the try. We'll get back to that in a second, but, but he scores the try and decides that, Oh, I can be a runner. Yeah. And his very next touch, you see him, he gets the ball. He, he dummies the long pass and then he attacks the gap.
00:16:29
Speaker
He did the double down he wants to. No, no, this was before that. This was the one where he was at first receiver, caught the ball off the nine, went to pass it out, and then said, no, I'm going to try to hit that gap. He just missed. But he tried to break the tackle. And then after that, he was like, all right, I'm running. I hit the ball in my head. It helped that they bumped him in the flank or two, but you'll get a little freer with your movement, too.
00:16:52
Speaker
A little bit, yeah, but it's just nice to see him showing confidence with ball in hand in space because he doesn't do that often enough. He's it goes with waxes and wanes with Latoje. Just you know there there are Patches where he's like I can carry this the whole way down the field and there are patches really like I don't want this right And then let's talk about the Willy skeleton try all eight forwards touch the ball
00:17:15
Speaker
Okay, so I actually wrote down the sequence. You wrote the sequence down, nice. So in baseball, in America, we have, you know, there's numbers that just make sense, you know, you hear six, four, three, I think double play, short stop, second base, first base.
00:17:31
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In this case, it was 5 1 8 2 19 4. So you guys, uh, Cruz taking it in, uh, Mako picking it, popping it off to his brother. Right. Billy dishes it off to Jamie. Right. Jamie pops it back inside to the scouts and scouts with the offload that I think he was looking for, for, for Wigglesworth, but, but I told you just picked it right off in between him. Suck right in and owned that ball himself. Just those good stuff. Awesome.
00:18:01
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Awesome sequence of events to see that that an entire just forward pack working together baby working together. Yep. Love it Yeah, I love it
00:18:09
Speaker
So Saracens take the game, 38-19. They go to the top of not only their pool, but the quarterfinal ladder there. So they play the bottom seed, which, I mean, everybody probably knows this by now. It's going to be the Glasgow Warriors coming back to Elions in March. So this is going to be round three. And I'll admit, I'm nervous. We'll talk about quarterfinals later on. I am not. We'll talk about that later on. I'm a little nervous. Not even a little bit. That's all right.
00:18:37
Speaker
Cardiff and Leon and Leon play the other match obviously Cardiff did win Leon don't get a point at all in their first appearance in the top tier of Europe Which is rather sad and a little depressing for the for them I think it's a little bit of a shameful thing for French rugby I think I saw they were the first team to not get a win that first team not to get a point in Champions Cup from France. So I was like, yeah Yeah, that's not a good look. Maybe go back and reset
00:19:04
Speaker
Yeah, they got some some things to sort out. Yeah, um, I know I'll let summer Hill scored scored two seems like he uh When he scores he scores in twos certainly in the cherries cup. He did it against Glasgow earlier in the competition Oh, yes, this this was an entertaining match. I did watch it I didn't pay that hard attention to it, but I did watch it at all I always had a reason to turn my head because it was entertaining rossing and scarlets
00:19:27
Speaker
46 33 scarlets brought it they really did They were they played for pride and they looked like they looked pretty good. They even named I think it was Jones Dan Jones the or Maybe a step. I think of Steph Evans actually that one of the named a scholars player man the match I don't recall exactly which one it was. It was one of those two. That's impressive. So you bow putting two down. Yeah, right Well one of them was kind of a handoff One of them was pretty easy
00:19:55
Speaker
Well, he's a wing, that's what the score is, easy tries, right? Yeah, he does. He does that a lot, but he makes them look easy to be fair. Wani Maf is a guy that is dangerous. That is a lot of danger in this
00:20:10
Speaker
back three for the likes of wrestling between Zebo and Imaf Teddy Tomah hasn't played for a while. So don't forget about him. Like these guys are going to be they'll score from anywhere. They're going to be one of those teams that you have to defend him every meter on the pitch because they will score from anywhere.
00:20:28
Speaker
It's pretty, it's pretty terrifying to see harassing run around the way they do. Finn Russell had the, has kicking duties revoked for a little while. Maschanel came up and started with it, and then Maschanel got subbed off, so then Russell took it, but.
00:20:43
Speaker
had his after last week. I can't say I blame him. No, that was more or less cost costing the match against Ulster. That was a Yeah, that was there's a bad performance there. Yeah, not a good look but um, i'm i'm impressed with scarlets There's news about the welsh rugby union talking about condensing down to Four provinces and I don't think it's a good idea for their sake to get the exposure of the players that they have There was a guy on the dragons that got picked Um young kid. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. We'll look at the rosters later
00:21:12
Speaker
But if they don't have four provinces to play Rugby with a young guy like that, that's just getting an opportunity doesn't get noticed doesn't get picked for the Welsh national team like he did. Yeah, so It's they have it They have issues one of them the the solution or any of the solutions does not involve them condensing down So yeah, Rossing finish top on top of their pool They finished with the second seed and they will play one of their French brethren We'll talk about them in a second
00:21:42
Speaker
but that Rossing's a dangerous team, you can probably pencil them into a semi-final spot. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, they make me nervous. Yep, absolutely. I'm glad that we're the one and they're the two. Yes. Thank God. I'm fine with that. Lester and Ulster. This was a little bit slow going, about till about 25, 30 minutes it took, and then Lester kind of woke up
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah. Nobody, nobody was finishing. Nope. They were, there was a lot of play between the 22s where a team would look, you know, the team on attack would look aggressive. They'd get to the 22 around the 22 are inside and then just completely lay an egg. And, uh, and Ulster were just completely flat.
00:22:31
Speaker
I was well, they were disappointed. They looked like in the first half, like they had, they weren't playing for anything. It looked like they were just kind of going through the motions. Do you, do you mark that down to Shanahan starting the match or not? John Cooney.
00:22:46
Speaker
Because for me, when Cooney came on, he looked like he was full of it. He was full of energy, ready to just move that ball fast. I'm not sure. Not to say Shanahan did a terrible job, and it was just his fault. But Cooney, he brings something to this team that Shanahan didn't have. And I could see that when he came on. Whether it was just the boys getting a boost, realizing Cooney was coming on, and saying, all right, this is our shot. Whatever it was, maybe he should have started the match. I don't know.
00:23:12
Speaker
See that I kind of understand, um, in, in, in the sense where you kind of want to get there, there's, there's two mindsets to that, that you're putting into the players. One is for the team that, that starts where.
00:23:31
Speaker
You want them to, to fight. You want to show it, show, show what you got. You know, you got your, your guy coming off the bench. Um, but you say, look, this is, and to be perfectly fair, Lester this year, you know, as much as any two teams in this champions cup can say barring Leon, of course, um, Lester doesn't really belong on the same pitch as Ulster this year.
00:23:55
Speaker
No, they've they've certainly shown that they probably Can't hang they can't hang. So you say you know what i'm gonna start my You know, i'm gonna start the teams that the team that I want to start against this and and see what they got But i'm gonna have my guy
00:24:11
Speaker
Who's going to be just champing at the bit like ready on that side. Let's go. That's what happened. And they ended up scoring two tries in four minutes late in the match. So you're right around the end of the third, beginning of the fourth quarter of the match. Right.
00:24:28
Speaker
Two tries right there 59 minutes 63 minutes And then that's all they needed, right? Yeah, so they did what they needed to do to win which yeah for sure I mean bella coon gets gets one almost similar to stockdale where you just happens to find the ball bouncing around amongst all the players Yeah, um to move the tamua try man just just just got that down whoo
00:24:50
Speaker
I mean Ford spotted the space. I don't remember who the wing was. It might have been Belkin Jumps up. There's no fullback over yet to cover. So Ford says he yell. Let's see what happens and worked out just fine So that was a that's good Johnny on the spot Ford looking Ford looking in form has to be said yes So even if he doesn't start for anyone which I don't think he's going to coming off the bench He's gonna be a weapon especially especially if they're behind. Yeah, he's gonna be a weapon to have so
00:25:17
Speaker
I'll give him and I'm not and everybody that knows me knows I'm not George Ford lover by any means whatsoever So yeah, I'll enjoy what I'm seeing. Yeah from Ford though. Yeah, no much better He was not good last year. No simple as simply put he was not good last year. Yeah, that's why he got dropped for a lot of matches. Yeah and
00:25:41
Speaker
We got less. So we got Ulster taking the they take the top. Yeah, they took the top runners up spot. So they got the six spot and they're going to be staying right in their own country because they get to play the boys from Dublin. Talk about them in a minute. Yeah, we'll get to that. But yeah, so Ulster and Leicester obviously bow out. Not a terrible performance by them. Ulster's no Ulster's going to Rossing. No, they're not. Then you have your things wrong.
00:26:09
Speaker
Oh, that's good. That's from last week. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It was from. Oh, there we are. Yeah. No, that was kind of what we predicted to. Yeah. So monster and exit are like like we said, energy in at Tomin Park out out the ass on so much energy in that in that building. It was
00:26:31
Speaker
to be at that match i might have pooped myself honestly that would have been like i would have been happy to but that would have been the happiest time i would ever had my had number two in my pants but you know well you rode number two this time anyway uh yeah this uh
00:26:51
Speaker
It's just so much fun to watch the whole way through it was definitely a tension tension right, right it was definitely a Slow burn the whole match sure just and then but at a high level Yeah about the prettiest 9-7 game or the most entertaining 9-7 game you'll probably ever see right and and I so so my notes on that were with with looking at it from Exeter's perspective, right that first half
00:27:20
Speaker
It wasn't their first choice for how they'd want the first half to go because obviously the first half you're blown the team away I mean, that's not that's not going to happen in this match But if you could pick if you could pick the way this match would go from Exeter's perspective That would be number one the way it actually went. I think was like their second probably a close second. Yeah
00:27:37
Speaker
They they exerted more influence on the match clearly. Yeah, and they they didn't control it but they were able to to Get the edge. It seemed like in every situation Well, I mean nick Mullins made the comment like there aren't many teams that press monster
00:27:53
Speaker
At Tillman park the way Exeter did so Exeter And we talked about the the blue bloods of the premier ship that bring it to Europe and Exeter maybe not being one of them Well, if they bring this every match this type of stuff to every match it's you know It's it's important to realize that all right. We're not necessarily chasing bonus points We need to we need to get wins first and then you can chase bonus points there'll be the teams that you can get a bonus point off of
00:28:19
Speaker
You know, you gotta recognize that. You're not gonna get a buzz point off every team. And I think the second Exeter figures out how to manage these matches just a little bit, which I think they did in this one. If they can take this blueprint and duplicate it over and over again next year when they get into Champions Cup, because they're probably going to be in Champions Cup. I don't see them finishing below six. Unless something disastrous goes wrong. Knock on wood. Hopefully nothing does. I don't know. I don't want anything that bad happening to a team.
00:28:46
Speaker
Um, so yeah, I mean, good, they were one decision away from winning the match. Yeah. And it was interesting because we were, we were, we're chatting while we were watching the match. And, uh, we had a little bit of a, just a tactical disagreement. Um, it was the penalty kick. They get the penalty towards, towards the end. And yeah, I was, I immediately was like, get points, get points. Cause you're, you're down. Um, no, no, I'm sorry. You're still up seven, six at the time.
00:29:14
Speaker
All at the time. Yeah, you're up seven six and i'm saying take the points because you've shown all match that that Monster aren't getting over your line I I feel like you kind of what they didn't wish they didn't So you bank on that and you say you know what it's not going to take a penalty kick to beat us It's gonna you're gonna have to score a try show me that you can score a try. Yeah
00:29:34
Speaker
They opted to go for corner And um, which again i'm what they needed i'm all in favor of being a little bit aggressive But that's their identity too. You have to also remember that in they they were trying to not waver from that too much even though yes, it's munster Really teams that can play similar styles in a lot of ways. Yeah, um heavy forwards heavy heavy collisions Um, but and they needed five points they needed five points to make this happen. So, you know that was going to happen
00:30:02
Speaker
But the bonus point was never going to happen at that point. Yeah, not at this part. I was just thinking, take the win. Maybe run away with it, even if you don't get in. Right. You say, you know what? We're going to go in and beat this team at home. And that could be bigger than anything.
00:30:20
Speaker
There's, there's two ways this could play out for, for Exeter. Right. One is they, they use this, they build up some of this momentum and then they say, you know what? This is, this is the intensity we're going to bring to every match in a premiership the rest of the way out. The other is, well, I'm sure they're going to, which I kind of hope they do. And I kind of hope they don't in some ways, but I kind of hope they do. Yeah. Maybe just that one day at Allianz Park. Yeah. And then maybe again in the final, but
00:30:51
Speaker
Or the option is they, the other, the other possibility is that they say, man, that was our best shot. And we still couldn't win that. Even though it's against a great team that this can plant some seeds of doubt that you can play this well and still lose. So.
00:31:05
Speaker
I would agree with you on that, except for one thing, and that Rob Baxter is a really good coach. And they've got some leaders on that team that can pull that seed from anywhere within their brain and be like, no, no, no, we got this. I agree with you. I think that that's probably what's going to happen. I have a lot of respect for Baxter. Right. Me too. And I think he's going to do a good job.
00:31:27
Speaker
I'm just saying that those are the two ops so he has now he has to do the job of making sure that they don't Get this doesn't get in their heads. Yeah, don't don't like it in your brains Yeah, is that they that's a that was a hell of a match they played and there's Lenster has a hard time pressing monster at Tillman Park, let alone in Europe, right? So Yes, they did well. Yeah, there's always there's a lot a lot of good shit to take away from if you're Exeter, right? so
00:31:54
Speaker
I don't i'm not looking forward to seeing them the rest of the way the premiership definitely not um, so yeah, uh Munster topped their pool. They are traveling. They have to travel to edinburgh. That'll be a heck of a match Oh boy picking that match one's gonna that's gonna be a toughie because there's You know, you talk about home team, but you talk about a blue blood like munster going they don't care They don't care. They don't care where they are. They you could put them in the desert. They don't care, you know, so um
00:32:21
Speaker
But that'll be interesting. It'll be fun. It'll be a fun match to watch when when March rolls around. Yeah, I agree. Did you get you didn't get into any of the cast of the Gloucester match? Did you? No, I didn't. Apparently banners made a bananas offload of some sort. So I got to go back and look. I mean, I can see myself going back and watching, especially with nothing coming up this week. Yeah, right. Except for.
00:32:49
Speaker
But yeah, so they'll be they'll be kind of fun Once uh, yeah, I guess banners put a heck of an awful and I don't remember who he said landed it to it. I
00:32:59
Speaker
Looks like William's found his kicking boots at least. Hit three kicks. I don't know how many of them he missed, but found the post three times. So that's always good. And the tri-line once. Yeah, not terrible. No. So yeah, but Gloucester.
00:33:16
Speaker
better luck next year probably probably with the experience this might this this is a club that i think with just this experience most these players having not played in champions cup rugby outside of like i think cipriani played and a couple other guys and that's it everybody else has never played in this competition so
00:33:34
Speaker
You know with the experience, I think that you might see this team become one of those teams that starts Saracens weren't like this until like four years ago four or five years ago now They're they're awesome and they do well in their in champions cup most years. So look like they have a bright future out of them Yeah, as far as their players. I mean a lot of their players are so young, right? So
00:33:54
Speaker
A lot of them are signed for long-term, so yeah, they have a good nucleus to go forward with. So if I was Gloucester, I wouldn't feel too bad about it. Focus on the apprenticeship, get top four, continue on, and make sure that you put a good performance into this competition next year. And Leinster and Woss.
00:34:14
Speaker
Leinster didn't quite do the same thing they did at the RDS in the fall. But I mean, it was mostly it was all Leinster all the time, for the most part, with the exception of here and there. You know, I showed Jared my notes from this match.
00:34:32
Speaker
and it was I lined up just on a you know a mock little field for four defenders and four attackers in an attacking line and just had vertical lines because that's what wasps did they ran just straight up the field everything was was straight north and no no crossing lines no no unders no overs no switches no nothing no creativity
00:34:59
Speaker
And if you haven't noticed, Leinster can play a little bit of defense. A little bit. They know how to hit you pretty hard. So it's like you're banking on making them miss tackles with physicality. Less than ideal decision on that one.
00:35:19
Speaker
Hey, you said it on me. I did say this was bad bad die young very bad die young This is not what this is not the die young I saw a couple weeks ago where he was Wuster throwing the ball. Yeah, where the fuck did that go? Obviously, you have so I'll get 10 Yeah, what the fuck let it go. Let it go man
00:35:40
Speaker
Yeah, like the like the song says let it go Um Yeah, they were Just lancer never looked like they were really out of control of this game at all. Even when it was close They never looked like they were gonna like
00:35:56
Speaker
They just never looked like they were going to lose. They really never did. They just were in control the whole time. Bring Rose goes over. Conan gets to read. It's nice. The Robson try was a
00:36:11
Speaker
He skinned Porter. He made Porter look silly. Yes. I like that. That was pretty good. That's not fair. It's a prop. You get a prop moving one way. He's not going to be able to stop and come back the other. No, he's not. And Robinson knew that. But then as a prop, you've got to know that. You can't get pantsed like that. What the fuck are you doing? Did he ever?
00:36:32
Speaker
Like, dude, man, and he doesn't even he didn't even give up that much space. No, but literally, like, I think he lifted his left foot and that was enough. So when you're when you're small like that, you don't need much space. No, you don't. You're little. You have a room. Yeah. And hopefully the injuries for wasps aren't bad.
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah, they were dropping they're dropping like yeah, I hope launch berry's. Okay. That wasn't that doesn't look too terrible He shields shields pulled up pulled out earlier. I think that was a little bit of cautionary Yeah, I think all three were probably a little bit more precautionary than anything as far as look if this match is going pear shaped We're not leaving you out there if you're bumped so but they had three guys that pick up a couple bumps or carrying bumps and they're like, yeah Okay, you guys get the fuck out. You're done
00:37:16
Speaker
You're done. As soon as you see somebody who's a little bit tender getting up. It's like, no, no, we're not getting the fuck off the field before this kid turns into a thing. Yeah, you're done. You're done, sorry. So hopefully that's the case. Yep. Yeah, I'm sure it will be. I'm sure they did talk about Dye Young trying to be conscious of these guys playing in Six Nations coming up here. Dye Young's trying to be conscious. That's a good thing. Yeah. Stay conscious, Dye Young. Stay conscious. Wake the fuck up.
00:37:40
Speaker
Leinster win 37-19. Leinster go top of their pool, obviously, and they have drawn their countrymen, the Ulster men, to come to Dublin. That'll be a fun match to watch. Again, talk about an electric atmosphere, those two teams going at it.
00:37:58
Speaker
I think Rossing and the next team we're going to talk about as well. I think actually Toulouse were okay with taking the points and taking it to the point where they're like, all right, we're going to play Rossing. Yeah. And I think they're okay with that because they know them. Well, yeah. And they've played them once already at least this year. So they're going to. Sure. I don't know what to expect from that besides I think Rossing is going to
00:38:23
Speaker
I think they're gonna run. It's gonna be a matter of can Toulouse keep up. Yeah, I think that's what it's gonna come down to. Can Toulouse keep up? If they can, then we got a match. If they can't, Ruskin's gonna run them off the pitch. And again, and so like, I must say I didn't really bother to watch this match though. I watched about a half of it. Bath brought it. Good. They did. They brought it. They brought it. They didn't play as many guys as they would like to. I think Jamie Roberts set out this match. He had a little bit of a,
00:38:53
Speaker
a little bit of a knock so why would you risk it's one thing you want to you want to do what you you know you want to put a good showing yeah but you don't want to risk guys for the long run no and priestlin came put in putting a good effort for his last match per bath uh in this competition at least and um mercer rock and uni got both got over mercers trying to give the old rocket to uh eddie jones for not picking him yeah good
00:39:20
Speaker
He'll get another shot in a white shirt. I know he will. Well, it's not as though, you know, England are lacking for back row. No, not right now. If this was like if this was the fall, then yeah, that's why he got picked because the fall in the autumn they were talking about another issue we're going to get to in a few minutes. Oh, yeah, that one.
00:39:38
Speaker
Oh my god. Good lord. That was bad. Toulouse went 20 to 17 after hosting Bath and proving that it wasn't quite the flute that Bath were thinking it was that they beat them at at the wreck.
00:39:54
Speaker
Which obviously helped them get off to this great start which helped them come into a runner's up spot They are the seventh seed. They'll be playing harassing Going to the that that funny park in Paris that Ross and have God, I don't understand it But hey their money to spend at least at least somebody spent money on their friggin pitch, right in France you're gonna you're gonna Lord you're gonna have one pitch that gets featured in France and
00:40:21
Speaker
Not a bad one. Not a bad one. Not a bad one, but as far as the other two are just right. No. Yeah, there's a lot that no, no, no. So we have Saracen's hosting Glasgow, Rasing hosting Toulouse two walks, Leinster hosting Ulster and Edinburgh hosting Munster and that will be those stops. Those are going to be those are going to be worth watching. Yep. Both of those and possibly Rasing versus Toulouse could be
00:40:48
Speaker
Yeah, like I said, I think that would be a matter of who can if clues can keep up and they do have some firepower So they can man when I saw the entomac kid in this car It didn't register with me who this kid's dad was but I remember watching him. Yeah, I was like, oh That's his kid You know again my rugby my ability to watch rugby
00:41:14
Speaker
Consistently was spotting until the recent until finally they they're actually showing it in America, right? Okay, so but in smack. Yeah, that's a name that I was familiar with and I'm like And it's like 1920
00:41:32
Speaker
Yeah, I was like, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for good reason, because that's a kid. Yeah, I'm like I said, I'm a little nervous about the Saracens game. I am not. They're going to walk Glasgow. And I'm not saying that as a Saris fan. I'm saying that as having watched that that last match. Yeah. Glasgow just simply cannot keep up with Saris in any phase of the game over 80 minutes.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean they're they did the right thing in this last match and tried to open it up right and that's And then as soon as you probably asked for but even with that open up Match, they were still behind after 30 minutes and that's when sari's closed it up And and you look at this so I didn't get into these notes before but I will now so you look at the tri-scores You have spencer leading them off
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah, then cock cock off them all. Yeah, bonapola morrow skeleton scored Yep, we had two almost tries from barrington and cruz. Yep Barrington's I definitely thought which should have been a try cruz was kind of 50 50 at best so They couldn't keep up with saris in wide open play And then when saris tightened it up, they they just crushed class go late. I mean, it was just it was
00:42:47
Speaker
Yep. Well, and then they put on the size too. That was a big thing. The Warriors didn't have the size to match. We put on four locks out there. We had four guys play. Because Calum Clark isn't necessarily a true seven. Not really. He's okay at seven when we need him there. But really, if we need him to, it's preferred that he bumps inside. But he does know how to win the ball too, playing as a seven. Just not like,
00:43:12
Speaker
Right because he's a little older. So I given the the team the two teams makeup right now I'm you know, and that was without faz. So yeah, you look at all this and hopefully we still have him, right? Hopefully he's okay. Yeah at that point I just don't see how
00:43:32
Speaker
Glasgow can keep up with him over over 80 minutes at Allianz. So yeah, it'll be my only concern is you've played this. They played us three times. They've seen us twice. They have loads of tape on us now to go off their own plays. Right. So it'll be possible. They may come up with a perfect game plan. They'll come up with something. They did this. They came up with something good. Right. On Saturday. And they did. So maybe it wasn't enough to figure out how to do something more.
00:44:00
Speaker
So that's why I'm nervous, but I am confident that we have the squad and the players to pull it off.
00:44:06
Speaker
Um, Lancer ulcer again, gonna be a, gonna be a tight one. And, uh, Edinburgh monster again, probably won't be just for the week. Cause that's gonna be a, that's gonna be a smash. Like guys like, uh, Billy Motta on one side and standard on the other side. Did you see standard pull, uh, Johnny Hill's shirt off? No, I heard about it. Oh yeah. I was like, huh, Senator just pulled his shirt off and tossed it. He's like, all right, I'm annoyed with you. So this is the only thing I can do right now. Cause I'm stuck. So I'm just going to pull your shirt off to annoy you.
00:44:37
Speaker
So fantasy notes that we kind of figured out as we're going through this, props don't need to be anything special. Like don't pick the ones like Mako and Ty for a long time. Yeah, so your salary doesn't need to go there. No, pick one that that'll, you know, get you a solid three to four points and take it and walk.
00:44:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's basically, I mean, if you're lucky, you get like Ollie Kebbell, who scored last week. I had Kebbell in my lineup. I only get three points this week, but yeah. Yeah, again, you know, that's a blind squirrel finding a nut. Yeah. Find the guys that are in the tries outside of that. Right.
00:45:15
Speaker
the guys that are gonna score points, take line outs, all that shit, and then work from there. I had that little trick where I got Stockdale in at my nine. You had Colbay in at nine for yours. So little things like that are the things to look out for. Don't look to spend your money on props. Right, and the same thing goes for scrum halves.
00:45:34
Speaker
In this format the scrum half unless there's not a lot. Yeah, unless you get a uh, you know Someone like uh, this like spencer who scores that try. Yeah And but most of the time again spencer's box kicking so he's not running He's not going to get you that 50 meters for one point. That's kind of a little ridiculous
00:45:49
Speaker
Especially at this level of competition 50 meters is a lot against these top teams Yeah, I mean it I mean 50 added up, but yeah, it doesn't happen often they even still right. So yeah That's definitely something to to keep in mind with that I I do I mean we had our we both had our issues with this thing this weekend But I do want to have I do hope that they can find a way This is the official
00:46:13
Speaker
EPC are what website they need to find a way to have a sub of some sort where you can Sub somebody in and out cuz you get feral too. No. Yes. Yeah, so we both have feral as our kicker I have as my captain pulls out pulls out late but on Saturday morning essentially for us and you know, we we can't change because they lock the games once the Friday afternoon games kick off and
00:46:37
Speaker
So, you know, that's unfortunate. You talk about lineups all the way to Sunday from that point too, and who knows what happens with that? Because those teams usually train on a Friday too.
00:46:47
Speaker
it's unfortunate to me because you already have there's plenty of systems in place for uh and and like as i said to you right before we came on yahoo has figured this out maybe not for rugby but they do it for baseball they do it for football yeah you can figure this stuff out
00:47:09
Speaker
As far as oh making you late subs right up right up until the game starts. Yep Right up until it starts for this like how can you have this set up? My my issue is I set my lineup friday And friday morning for us, which is like five hours or so before game time. Yeah, maybe a little bit more and I look at my lineup friday evening Disappeared and there are three of my players just disappeared
00:47:37
Speaker
And I'm like, what the fuck? And I look through and and they're not even in the game anymore. Yeah. So it's like I'm looking at, say, Ben Tulis. I knew he was in my lineup because he has a funny name and he's just not there. And I'm like, OK, well, let me let me see if I can find him. And I I I searched for him. He doesn't show up on any searches. So it's not as though they just deleted him from my lineup. They deleted him from the game. So somebody had a button that they shouldn't know over there. And there were a couple of players like that, too. And that's bad.
00:48:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's not good. It's a bad come on. There's so many like, there's so many other sites that can do this, right? Yep. And if you can't, it's not that it's good to have the main the leading site, the the competition site that can run something like this. You know, you want to expand the game, you want to get the kids, the young kids into it. Yeah, this is the way it goes. Because look how big, you know, we'll talk about fancy NFL football. There are people that have no effing idea what the fuck a football game is.
00:48:35
Speaker
Yeah over here in America, but they play fantasy football So they watch right like I think I need this guy to do something if you want to get viewership You want to get those people involved that have no idea what the hell's going on a rugby match? This is a route into into their brains. Trust me and I'm fairly old school with that. I was in a Fantasy football league from when I was and I'm actually still in that same league the high school one right from when I was in high school I was a sophomore or so in high school and one of the scene days ago days ago
00:49:03
Speaker
This was back before the intern, before the
Nostalgia and Fantasy Sports
00:49:06
Speaker
kids. The internet didn't always exist. The time before the internet. And that involved us buying a newspaper. And a newspaper was actually like the internet, but printed. And it was from yesterday. Yeah. And we would go through the football box scores and calculate our totals there. And so we had to do a by hand. You had to check your own, you had to check your stats, make sure that the commissioner got the points right.
00:49:33
Speaker
And if you can do that, fucking, you know. Yeah. If some high school kids can do that stuff, somebody over here, we got to pull this stuff off. And we weren't doing it again. It wasn't online, but at the same time, the technology is there. Yeah. If you can't figure it out. Put somebody that's got two cents in there and let's go. All right. Enough pitching. Yeah. Fair enough. So yeah, let's let's look at.
00:49:59
Speaker
So I made my England squad predictions. I actually named less guys than I thought. I thought I named 35. I only ended up naming 31. So I had 10 wrong. So of the obvious ones that I got wrong, I'd say... Let's look at the obvious ones I got right. Maybe that's the better way to go. I'm just saying right now, while you're finding your stuff, too many Leicester players. Yeah, probably. So I had...
00:50:31
Speaker
So we got Alec Hepburn run, but Williams got in like you talked about. Shonert was wrong and that was in place again. Danny Care or Spencer, he only named two scrum hats. Robson, good for Robson. Yeah. You know, I don't have anything bad about that. Let's see. Give me a one, two or three of the guys that I got right that were obvious. Three being super obvious, two being like a 50 50 and one being like, damn, how'd you get that right?
00:51:02
Speaker
Um, i'll tell you I got I'll tell you who I got macko. Oh, well three that's that's obvious dan cole Not as obvious two. Yeah Sinclair That's a that's a toss-up he cut it too. He's yeah, he's a he's a he's a i'd say he's a bubble player, right ben moon one I'll take him. Um, jamie george
00:51:30
Speaker
Ah, three. He's the best hooker in England. He's got to be on the team. Luke Cowindicky. You know what? I'm going to go with the three. I think he kind of has to be on the team. I had to be there, especially without Hartley healthy. Yeah. Jack Singleton. One.
00:51:47
Speaker
Yeah. Toge. Three. Launchbury. Three. Wilson. Three. Tom Curry. Three. Billy. Three. Laws. Three. Hughes. Three. Okay. These guys are there. Those are the obvious ones. Yeah, you have those options. You better have somebody a lot better if you're not picking. Backs. Ben Young's.
00:52:15
Speaker
Two, two. Okay. I mean, he's got to be, he's getting nice from now for a while. Right. Um, Farrell. Three. Yeah. Ford. Three at this point, just because of the way he's played. Yeah. Slade.
00:52:27
Speaker
Two. There's possibilities that are there. He's one of these boys. He played well over the last year. He's played pretty well. He's international quality. He certainly plays at this level. It's just a question of depth and who else gets selected. You can rotate a couple of guys through that are at Slade's level. But he's on top right now. Top of the pile. Bentayo.
00:52:54
Speaker
Two. I'm a lot of the centers. I'm going with twos. Two-wee. Two and a half. Two and a half. It's almost three. Johnny May.
00:53:02
Speaker
Three. Yeah. No. Three. We'll talk about it in a second. Mike Brown. Three. Ashley. I love Mike Brown. And Ashton. Ashton's a three. Yeah. OK. So I had a couple of good surprises in there. I think you did. The ones I got wrong, Nathan Earl, Alex Good, that's unfortunate for him. Ben Spencer, Danny Care, both unfortunate for them. Hepburn, whatever. Yeah. Not whatever. Not to whatever Alex Hepburn. Yeah. His form hasn't been great this year. I have not been impressed with him. So I'm not terribly surprised he didn't make it.
00:53:31
Speaker
No. Zach Mercer, I got wrong. Don Armin and Alex Dombrandt, I got wrong. I think... Dombrandt was basically Earl.
00:53:39
Speaker
Yeah, I I think he made You know far be it for me to criticize eddie jones, but I think eddie jones got that one wrong. Yeah, me too. All right, so Among other things the two selections that shocked me the most there's somebody you missed though. We haven't talked about him yet. Who thorlo Oh, yeah. No He wasn't on my list. So um, that's shocker. He was one of my guys at one Yeah, he was the shockers that for me that I didn't realize were even I didn't realize cook on a single was healthy
00:54:08
Speaker
No, this is what happens when we don't have the news outlet to inform us of this shit, right? If I had known he was healthy, I probably would have penciled him in because he loved him. Yeah. And who wouldn't and devote? Oh, well, that's just that was a mistake. Anyway, I don't understand it. The guy I mean,
00:54:25
Speaker
Yeah, there's two there's two guys on this team That uh, I think well and I don't even want to equate the two because it's not fair Devoto just doesn't look like he's that kind of he doesn't he doesn't really to me He doesn't stand out at the premiership level. No, so to put him on the next level up That's a hole in your roster right there And the second is is brad shields Yeah, I uh, I I don't like that pick necessarily
00:54:54
Speaker
But the thing is, for me, is Brad Shields, when he's playing in Super Rugby, he's a monster on the field. He makes an impact. He's out there. You can see him doing stuff. And then he comes and plays for wasps. He's been lost out there. I don't know. I think he's on the same level as Sope Waga, just like a little lost, a little unsure.
00:55:18
Speaker
I'm I'm willing to chalk up brad shields Form in the premiership this year to Being on a team coached by a cowboy and who doesn't know what to do with him or any of the other talented players Yeah, the back rower. She's always had yeah, we know youngs had an issue with picking back rowers
00:55:38
Speaker
He has he has a lot at his disposal. It's not just picking them. It's it's what's what's what's he doing with them? Yeah, like that. I'm not sure he knows right because He's a huge difference maker. He could be And I mean he isn't he wasn't super rugby So yeah if you can do well at that level and then come over to the premiership And not make as much of an impact. It's not it's not the player
00:56:05
Speaker
It's what's the team around him doing? Yeah The team around him right now is kind of falling apart. So right, you know, it's it's they're not bad, but they're not great now So I think I think he's gonna do well if Eddie uses them right and I have every every reason to think he can use him, right? Yeah
00:56:21
Speaker
Yeah, I was uh, I was I was happy cruiser got got the call. Yeah, you know that was cool Um, there was you know the one once upon a time when critoje was a thing and you didn't want to even dream of picking cruiser atoje separate from each other But now they're in their own, right? They're both Amazing players. It's not just the combination of the two so so good on both of them
00:56:42
Speaker
Let's address the elephant in the room. The tiny little elephant in the room. Jack Knoll. Jack Knoll, like moving. All right. So number one, there was there's a certain pundit out there. Fuck you, Austin Healy. Sorry. Like, oh, look at. And he is just gloating how much he like, dude. So what you're saying is you are a crazy person. And so is Eddie Jones. It's basically what it's come down to. Right. Like, congratulations. You predicted, quote unquote, the future.
00:57:09
Speaker
But really, everybody just knows you're being a complete asset. So just shut up, Austin Haley, please. So my problem with this, as we talked about, just the two of us, as we do intimately. So my problem is that the two biggest problem areas on England's roster are what?
00:57:31
Speaker
It's wing and flanker wing and flanker, especially seven. So they have some sexes But what you're doing is you're taking away one of your best wingers best attacking wingers Yeah, definitely and you're putting him at a flanker now. He can succeed there. He may he may I don't know But you're taking one of your strengths from your weakest position and putting him in an unfamiliar position
00:57:58
Speaker
in a spot where who knows what's going to happen there because he's going to have to make a lot more tackles than he's used to.
00:58:04
Speaker
unless they're going to do something weird which i could also see eddie jones yeah well we just took it he could honestly he could he could just tell noel you know what fuck defense you're there to attack you find the ball you run with it yeah and that might be what his job is yeah i don't know how he's going to get away with it not great no i mean i mean if you're if you're an opposing ten right yeah and and you have
00:58:29
Speaker
You have Jack Noel bearing down on you off the scrum. You're not scared of that. No. He'll put you down after that match. Yeah. I mean, he'll put you down because he doesn't miss too bad. No. But you know, just that doesn't that doesn't scare me by any means whatsoever in terms of like they have. I'm running switches at him all day. I'm running some inside center, some some big ass motherfucker running right at Noel on on first phase and seeing, you know, how how long he's going to last in the match doing that.
00:58:58
Speaker
If you have that desperate of an issue, why are you picking Ben Earl? Really, there's another guy that's playing, not playing seven, but he's actually a very good seven. When he plays seven, Matt Kvessick could, but for whatever reason, A. Jones just doesn't put him off radar. Or Armand. Yeah, Armand as well could probably afford to get thrown into this team. There's a couple other guys that should be thrown into this team before he starts screwing around with Jack Noll at seven. And if Jack's was on form, Jackson Ray, that might be different too.
00:59:27
Speaker
last couple matches he has been but that's that's not enough evidence to say yes you're coming no he's not he's not going to form enough for that nope there is a fun selection in the whale squad now though did you see who got picked no I have not looked through the other teams Tommy young
00:59:49
Speaker
Oh, that's right. That's gonna be fun. Glad to see him get picked. Yeah, he should have been picked for an international team a long time ago. I'm really glad he got picked there. It'll be interesting to see what happens when when he gets a new contract because he doesn't have the cap limit you have to have in order to sign elsewhere in Wales is 30 right now. Okay. Otherwise, you don't get picked for your team.
01:00:15
Speaker
Right now, if you have a contract already, it's no big deal. But if you sign a new contract and you don't have 30 caps, you have to sign it when one of the four provinces, which is one of the other reasons I don't think Welsh rugby is going to need to screw around with the province thing. More guys are going to have to cycle back if they want to play for the Welsh national team. Maybe they're playing abroad right now because they came up in Academy systems or whatever. There are going to be some more. There's going to be some more talent that cycles back.
01:00:40
Speaker
Yeah, I I don't quite understand that rule, but okay. I kind of do I kind of don't akin to obviously all blacks. You can't go anywhere, right? But that's or ireland. So you're so fucking isolated even in new zealand, right? So but What's the difference?
01:00:55
Speaker
Well, even the irish don't like it's rare you get somebody into the team that's not playing for one of the four provinces Right, but zebo. Is there really a reason why zebo shouldn't be on the team other than that stupid fucking rule? Um, is it that hard for him to Jordan lama and david's dot or jacob's doctor?
01:01:11
Speaker
Well, maybe not a starter, but she's why why wouldn't he be on the team? Um That I can't answer at the moment. So it's like I mean he's over in fucking france He's he's you know, right? Well, maybe it's maybe today is the wrong day to say. Oh, it's just a short flight away from from ireland
01:01:28
Speaker
Yeah, no, I will say interrupt thoughts and prayers with Emiliano Sala the new Cardiff signing for Cardiff City FC The All his loved ones. I hope I hope he's okay. I really hope it's just something random that You know when Orion he turns out to be okay, but man, they're fearing the worst at this point It's really a really really sad situation. I heard it this morning. I was right. Oh, no
01:01:57
Speaker
We heard it this morning. I haven't seen any updates. So I don't know what's going on. But I did. I do hope for the best. I didn't. I'm not trying to make light of it. I'm just saying that that kind of puts a damper on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Why not just fly back over to Ireland? Yeah. You know, to train. It's not. It's not. I mean, that was a private plane, which obviously has to have their own issues. But still, it just doesn't. You just hope it's better. You just hope it you just hope it turns out a little bit better.
01:02:22
Speaker
You know football European football has had a had a rough one with with aircraft this year. Yeah between that and the luster city, uh The luster city chairman going down. That's so yeah, uh thoughts and prayers to those guys and um, we hope that everything everybody comes out. Okay Um, and it's not the worst that we're fearing As far as island wingers go what's um
01:02:45
Speaker
Let me have a look. So we have Will Addison who I who actually I like Andrew Conway who is the Monster winger Keith Earl's it's hard to keep girl Keith Earl's out of a team if he's in form Larmor and then It's obviously Stockdale and said it that's all I see and
01:03:10
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. That's everybody. That's that's all of them right there. I mean, it's not. Yeah, it's Conway Conway Larmor and Addison. That's it. And Earl's in Stockdale. Oh, where do they have them listed?
01:03:24
Speaker
um Stockdale's technically he has he has almost as a center. He won't play universal back. Yeah, Earl's the universal. Okay They got you with that one. Yeah Trying to search for wing and no, please Well, that only makes sense Irish always gotta fuck. Yep Um, Italy squad's got uh a fun name in there. He's already been in the team. Yeah um
01:03:49
Speaker
Where is the kid mckinley? Ian mckinley with the that plays with the rec specs. Okay, as we used to call him Um can't basically can't see out one eye so he needs to protect his other eye. Okay Um, but yeah, he was irish eligible. They had him on the same level as sexton at one point
01:04:06
Speaker
You know, well, yeah, the eye thing happened and then he decided all right I want to play rugby again and he's bounced back very nicely obviously The one thing the one great thing I see on the Italian squad and it's rare that we're gonna talk a lot about Italian rugby is a lot of their players are from one of the two home Home teams one of the two Italian teams from pro 14. There's three or four players I think off that squad that are not playing in Italy and
01:04:34
Speaker
So, I think that's great. Connor O'Shea is doing some good stuff there.
01:04:41
Speaker
It's a shame that uh paledry isn't isn't fit for this. Yeah, i'm sure he was I was too I would have loved to watch him in in this competition same I would have too um Yeah, so that's that's our that's what we'll do for this. We'll just look at the squads for now We'll talk about the games and all that stuff next week. Um, we're gonna have a special guest to join us on the third mic This will be uh, this will be a fun time emphasis on this special
01:05:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, he is. He's special, but we like him anyway. So we got MLR coming up. Yeah, it's starting this weekend. We're going to have a we're going to we're all you and I and all the American folks are looking forward to it. Seattle, the defending champs, obviously setting things up. I'm excited about seeing season two to have a rugby league that's professional in this country. So I'm excited for Rooney.
01:05:36
Speaker
Rugby Union, New York, right? That'll be that'll be fun as far as you know If you're a if you want to be taken seriously as a professional sports league in America You you kind of have to be in New York. You have to have a New York team. Absolutely. So I'm glad that they have one I'm equally glad that they have a fucking helmet cowboy Next year though, then we'll stop them. Although yeah, well, yeah
01:06:07
Speaker
Because right now it's right. Right. It's looking that way. Yeah. So we'll let's touch on the signings and extensions we had while we were away. We talked about Fekito last week. Next day, what happens? Fekito assigns for wasp Jeff to among Ellen signs for wasps as well. So addressing problems that we talked about to among the Ellen's a prop, but they lost they lost Cooper Woolley.
01:06:33
Speaker
They're gonna have to change their name to the Kiwis. Yeah, something like that It'll be interesting to see soap Waga and fake ketoa play next to each other. That'll be kind of fun Because they both obviously have spent time in New Zealand playing sure playing 10 and 12, so that'll be fun to see we had
01:06:52
Speaker
uh a trio of signings for uh of extensions for for the Exeter so that Yeah, they just lock it up there young guys. Who is it? It was uh, cordero No, not cordero. No, uh, cow and dickie. Yep slayed. Yeah, and I think the last one it was um Was it wasn't no it wasn't
01:07:13
Speaker
Oh, maybe it was Noel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah, it was Noel because I remember it being that's why I was like, it was a wing because that's why I went with it. Yeah. So three big, three big extensions there for Exeter. Obviously you have hog coming over. Yeah. I'm not looking forward to that. No, no, no, no. I am looking forward to the piece of news that we haven't gotten to yet because it hasn't happened yet. Freaking daily. Get your butt over here. Come on, man. We still want you. I promise.
01:07:39
Speaker
Yeah, we really do um, uh, let's touch on this real quick before we get into and then we'll be done here. Um, jimmy kedmore Coming out talking to him. He came out and talked to our old friends. I say old friends They don't even know who the fuck we are. Um at the pod pod pod and talked about his concussions Um, he had a big incident with clairmont Where he had a concussion
01:08:07
Speaker
The doctors more or less told him he had a concussion and the coaches said, get the hell back in there. And he's obviously he didn't want to. And they more or less got him back on the pitch. Very, very, you know, rushed him back. Yeah, like just so the same match, like just. And yeah, the news broke this week that Claremont had been found to be liable for all his medical
Rugby Governance and Player Welfare
01:08:33
Speaker
issues. So.
01:08:34
Speaker
And good that that that should be the least of what they get. Right. So there'll be I think they're gonna I think you're gonna see something.
01:08:42
Speaker
they'll definitely be fines from EPRC or EPCR, whatever it is, European Rugby or World Rugby, whatever, you're gonna see them get into a lot of deep trouble and you're gonna see a lot of things change in terms of how that's done. Now, to be fair, this all happened before HIA's were a thing, I'm pretty sure, so. We hadn't quite got, but the concussions had been prevalent and had been starting to come out like the problems that they present.
01:09:11
Speaker
when you rush back to play yeah so I mean I remember very well back in the day when it was oh you got your bell wrong all right get back in like you know brush it off like yeah maybe take some dirt on it right and then get back in there when you when you when you can see straight yeah that was that was not a really good thing to just get in there too right yeah
01:09:29
Speaker
And that was one thing back in the early 90s when I was just getting started playing contact sports. But 20 years later, we were evolved. Everybody knows what's going on. Everybody sees what's going on.
01:09:45
Speaker
There's just no excuse. No and and I mean how many times do you see players they they have to miss a match here and there for whatever for any Any reason usually it's the percussion go to protocol that keeps them out, right? If that's just another reason like get over it, you know This it's ultimately do you want a player for the long term or do you want to have a player for you know? This match. Yeah, and now what he's retired, right? Yeah
01:10:08
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, yeah, he doesn't play so what did that get anybody in the long run? Yeah, he was a definitely a promising player Should should still be playing. Yeah should be on the Canadian team for the ARCs coming up here Yeah, so I uh, I I feel bad for him. I'm glad Claremont's gonna get get what's coming to him
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah. And look, you won't see me stand up for Canada very often. They're like brothers. In this case, you fucked with Canada and that pisses me off because that's bullshit. I want Canada to be good because I want America to have a natural rival.
01:10:42
Speaker
Then you don't just smoke every time or it doesn't just smoke us because they were doing that for a while, too. Now it's a match when we play them. I think we have the upper hand for a little bit. Last couple years. Maybe because of Cudmore. I don't know. Don't do that, please, because that's hurting everyone.
01:11:04
Speaker
Unfortunately, it's just like the mentality of... I'm picking on French people here, sorry, or France in general, just the culture of, oh, we're gonna go against everything else that everybody believes just because we're French. It's like, yeah, come on guys. I don't have to do that. Well, you're gonna have to because now it's coming to roost.
01:11:23
Speaker
I mean, I've seen things like this where things go bad so badly Finances start to trickle trickle into the into the red More so than permission clothes are by far and I'm quite sure there's some sort of financial fair play rule that goes into French rugby and if it's not met and
01:11:43
Speaker
Then you start getting points deducted this happened with a club In the Premier League and they end up in the bottom tier of the permit of the of English football of English soccer Which is not a place you know So you don't this and it's because they had financial issues and they were kept getting dark points Well, they got relegated all the way down to league four or lead two, which is technically the fourth league. It's complicated explain and
01:12:10
Speaker
Anyway, you could see something similar to that if Claremont are forced to pay a boatload of fines where they don't have the money to Be in be in code or whatever in good standing and they get dock points and they get real Religated down to D2 and they'll be in trouble if that's happened
01:12:30
Speaker
Yeah, I I'm sorry. I can't find my tiny violet on me right now. Yeah, right and But it's shooting yourself in the foot right so many levels So so let's you know, we don't have a match. We don't have a game without players, you know, we can have all the other stuff yeah, so let's let's at least treat the players like a little bit more than chattel because
01:12:52
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's there's In some respects I get it we're beyond that though. Yeah, like this is uh, you're fucking with their lives you're fucking with their You know their their ability to continue making money just for for one match. What's what's that gonna get you in the long run? Yeah
01:13:08
Speaker
Especially a guy that's coming out of can it's not like you can just go back to canada and play in the canadian national league Because I don't think you're doing any good. No, this was a huge opportunity for him to play for Excuse me for this team. Yeah, so He put his trust in you and yeah, that's how you do it. That's not that's not right. That's not good So jamie cut more i'm glad things are coming your way man because uh, you did not deserve that That was uh, that was a really really terrible thing that happened to you, but yeah Hoping you're doing all right. Yeah
01:13:39
Speaker
We'll probably be back this weekend for a fun special where Ben and I make terrible decisions on our Super Rugby teams. And then next week we're gonna have a nice little Six Nations preview special with our friend James. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And we'll talk about Six Nations men's and women's a little bit. And that'll be, because that's good for the game. We gotta talk about them always. And other than that, thanks for sticking around everybody. I'm glad we got to 100 downloads.
01:14:04
Speaker
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01:14:09
Speaker
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