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Season 4- Episode 11- We Tried to Tell You (Autumn Internationals Week 2)
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Hey it's those guys from America that babble about rugby. We are back for you all to enjoy, well you know, mildly entertain. On this episode we discuss a couple bits of new that feel into our lap this week including the hammer coming down on Rassie (or not), either way we agree it needed to happen. We have ourselves a bit of a fun by naming a journeymen XV (known by another name to some). We recap all of the international action we could manage to squeeze in AND a brief discussion about how we get things going for the Women's game here in the states. Crack one, or even two, have a seat and come along for the ride.
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Podcast Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the transfer. I'm Jared. I'm Ben. Let's get into it. Lots to cover. New cycle and all and plenty of internationals to dig into as well. So he's dropping more constantly. Yeah. News was all over the place. And yeah, going to need a drink or three. Mm hmm.
00:00:26
Speaker
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00:00:40
Speaker
By our friend, George, the fans here, we ready to get coffee because as we've said before, not only is he a great guy, he's also been a, he's also been a huge supporter of us. And also because if you're listening to us and the information that comes out of our faces, then he's got a pretty good thing to do with it. So grab that. Our OB one in many ways. So, um, yeah, we're, we're obviously always going to, uh, um, support the geek. Yes.
Rugby Updates and Player Availabilities
00:01:11
Speaker
TRM upgrades. We are not obviously in TRM time right now, but it's only a little more than a week away, so. Yeah. And if you have your upgrades, one thing we haven't mentioned with these upgrades is that you know who's on buy. It hasn't been a thing in previous years, but now with buy weeks being a thing, I already know, oh, my Leicester players are on buy because they have the yellow circles next to them. Don't have to think about it. I can be like, okay, that person, I do not, don't put George Ford in.
00:01:39
Speaker
Yeah, you can't play that this week. He currently plays for Lester and their own by.
00:01:42
Speaker
Yeah. I can't put, can't put a Nick Dolly right now. No. So yeah, grab those. And then obviously you support fucked. Yeah. I went through, I had, if, if it falls, right. I'm actually okay. I'll probably have to make one or two changes. Well, it depends, I guess, on, on Jamie George's injury. Cause I have Wolston Croft, Dolly and Wolston Croft are my only two. They might hold off on that for a bit. All right.
Social Issues in Sports and Society
00:02:06
Speaker
And then obviously this is where we start rugby.
00:02:09
Speaker
As always, Black Lives Matter on this podcast, there is no room for racism. There is an interesting development in the Washington football team case. So here's the funny thing about this. He hasn't even denied that he did it. What he's saying is he was targeted. I'm like, so you're not denying any wrongdoing. What you're saying is the NFL singled you out. Well, that might be true. It doesn't make you any less of an asshole. So
00:02:32
Speaker
Oh, no, but if he's going to if he's going to do this scorched earth, I'm dragging everyone down with me. God fucking bless him. Well, that's fine, too. Yeah, I'm OK with that. Like, that's OK. This guy, this guy, this guy. Cool. Name all the names so we know who the dickheads are, please. But yeah, like, come on, man. I do also want to highlight during this this BLM segment, the freaking ridiculousness of our country that we're seeing in two different cases in the the Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:03:02
Speaker
case and the Ahmaud Arbery lynching case that we have these two things going on in our country. And really, I mean, first off, we're seeing the judge in that the written house case, like, holy shit, these are the kind of this is the people in charge of, quote unquote, justice in this country, right? Like, basically, like treating written defendant who murdered people as if like, he's his own son. And like,
00:03:30
Speaker
being acting as defense almost. And it's just, it's sickening. And yeah, I haven't been paying attention too much to the, the Ahmaud Arbery thing. Cause that better be a fucking slam dunk. But there is the, their lawyer there is saying we can't have black pastors in the courtroom because it makes people uncomfortable. It's like, well. You can because that's your fucking problem. Nobody else's.
00:03:56
Speaker
Cause I guess like Al Sharpton showed up and he's like, who's next Jesse Jackson? And blah, blah, blah. And I think Jesse Jackson said, it was like, okay, fuck you then. Like something, something like that. It's like, what the fuck? Like these, this is, yes, this is a civil rights case. These guys lynched a man and think that they're heroes. Like that's problematic. And now you're saying that it's wrong to have like the having black people in the courtroom makes them.
00:04:21
Speaker
Dude, your face makes me uncomfortable. Shut up. Right. So yeah, that's that's where we are as a country right now. Yep. We're doing great. Doing great. You're doing terrific. Fucking hell.
Monetization and Listener Support
00:04:33
Speaker
Thank you to all our Patreons. Yes, we have a Patreon now. Go ahead and give us a little subscribe if you can. If you need to check it out, we do have a freebie on there. Maybe we'll drop our Ho-15 on that today for free, just for fun. Oh, that'll be fun. Especially since we haven't posted for a little bit.
00:04:52
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True. So we will do that. Patrons might be upset with us for sorry. Sorry. We're here. We're here. I'm only guys. Sorry. Yeah, we are having fun with the automation thing. But yeah, not not not doing starts. It's on that biatch. No, sorry. Walk up here only man.
Rugby Transfers and Contract Comparisons
00:05:10
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Okay, new cycle. George Ford on the move.
00:05:13
Speaker
Yeah, all but confirmed. Like, even sale are like, they think it tweeted something out. Right. They reported like they're like, you know, in like, I think it's a, in principle or something like that. Right. Now, Corbs did bring up a good point. Like, did the law have the rules changed because I, and they must have because they've
00:05:32
Speaker
at AJ jump ship from sale and go to Bristol. And now we've had Lester lose forward to sale. So assuming that nobody's up to any funny business. Yeah, the I mean, wouldn't be the first time it's happened ever. But you know,
00:05:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's just so foreign, literally, to me as an American, this whole business of you can sign someone else while they're under contract with another team. Because they're professionals. They don't see it as anything else, you know? I know, but it's just hysterical because it's like,
00:06:05
Speaker
Could you imagine a football player like an NFL player signing with another football team mid season? Like, could you imagine how fucking paranoid the coaching at like that's because it's blank ball. That's why. But they don't do they wouldn't do that in any other sport. I mean, it would be a trade most sports, but still like.
00:06:22
Speaker
It's still free agency so it's it's odd. It's such a. We're such a. They're doing 42. Yeah, yeah they do. It's just not, I don't know, it's not something that we see in our professional sports so it's just.
00:06:37
Speaker
To me, it's like, oh, there are rules about that now. Like, you could sign with someone, it's easy, but it depends on when, like, come on, man. Like, who gives a shit? That's always, that has been the rule in both sports, to my knowledge, is New Year, you're out of contract, no deal in place, you're free to go shop around. Yeah, quite the opposite of other places. So, yeah, just to hear, oh, no, there are rules around it. Oh, really? There are rules. Oh, okay, that must be serious. Oh, there are.
00:07:07
Speaker
Yeah, I know. Hey, listen, man, remember, we're ours is fucking foreign to a lot of people. So you got to remember that, too. I know. Well, like ours, at least like you, you know, you used to be. And now they have, you know, because there was so much tampering, they're relaxing those rules. But it used to be that like you couldn't talk to a player unless they were not under contract. So that's that's really the big thing is you like other teams can't even.
00:07:29
Speaker
talk to you about a contract without like you know even if it's the off season and and it's but it's before the contract expires they can't talk to you at all and it's just kind of funny to see like oh no they like they can talk to you whenever well only at certain times during your last year but not other times during your last year only at these specific times it's like does it does it really matter you're in your last year like you're you're out
00:07:52
Speaker
mostly just gives the team a small chance to get a deal done. That's all I think that's the point of it. But hey, if you, if you, I will say, if you've signed somebody to a three year deal and you haven't got it done by the end of the second year, you're probably not going to get done. Unfortunately, I'm excited to see Ford at sale. They might actually attack. That'd be nice.
Rugby Conduct and Sports Integrity
00:08:15
Speaker
I, but he's going to need, he's going to need a lot of help out more than they have. So I want old friend too. He's there, but I don't know about anything on that. Honestly. And he's like barely there. So yeah, as we noted last week. Right. We'll see. Good luck.
00:08:32
Speaker
Have fun, George. And then the bigger news is Razia Rasmus suspended two months, no rugby activity whatsoever, and then no match day involvement with the Springboks until September, which is some people are saying light, but really, I just hope it highlights how fucking bad this is. It is bad.
00:08:57
Speaker
You look at the stuff from Nick Barry and it just got worse. Yeah. So yeah, you look at that. It was and you listen like him or love him. It doesn't matter. And I don't mind Nick Barry myself. You can't do that. Like, can you imagine like you know what happens to
00:09:16
Speaker
NFL coaches when they go in, when they go all in on a referee, they get to find out the wazoo. Right. And they do it knowing that they'll get fined out of the wazoo. Razzie went into this thing. I'm just going to do this and fuck you. You're not going to do anything to me. And it's like.
00:09:31
Speaker
Yeah, they had world rugby had to come down on them. Yeah. Not because you can't do this. You can't have this stuff again. You know, you can't. It was like an 80 page report or something like that. And it's it's like the homework. Yeah. And and they really got to the date. They did a thorough job of it now. Yeah, they could have done this quicker, but it would not have been anywhere near as thorough and
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, still it happened within like, you know, a few months. It's not like this took forever. It's not like, you know, an insurrection where there's still no, but anyway, it's like, you know, almost 12 months later. But no, this was like, you know, just two or three months after the fact, they're already bringing the hammer down and they're doing the right thing and backing their people. And it's,
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, and they don't always. It wasn't like they're right. Razi acted in selfishly and against the values of the sport and against the the welfare of the sport. This is bad. What Razi has been doing and what South Africa as well as a federation have been doing has been terrible for rugby outside of, you know, that's everybody off the pitch. The people on the pitch. Yeah, they're doing fine. They're doing a great job. They're fucking amazing. It's it's their fucking
00:10:48
Speaker
admin, their coaching, everyone else that's off the pitch that are just a bunch of massive cunts that are fucking with rugby and rugby has to fight back and shouldn't have to come to this. Just shut the fuck up. No, listen. They're complaining of games they want that they're refereeing and then blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, fuck you.
00:11:13
Speaker
Unfortunately, and there's still, there's still people that are out there commenting about how, you know, Nick bear, I saw one helmeted tweet about like, um, like saying, but basically Nick Barry was compromising the integrity of the game. I was like, really? Was he? I don't know. I think he was just called the game. Right. Pretty sure he was just calling the game and whether or not Razi liked it as a different story. Like,
00:11:39
Speaker
And I listen, I'll bitch about referees here and there everywhere. But I'm also not a fucking head coach. And I'm not a head coach of a tier one nation. That's the defending World Cup champs either. So the difference between me and Razi is quite different. So and also if I were in that position, here's a small, small, small example. I had in my four or five years I've had so far as a coach in high school, I've said something to the referee society once.
00:12:04
Speaker
It was an email and it was 99% about safety and 1% about the guy being out of shape. Like you didn't make an hour long video for public distributions as well. Sixth sentence is maybe less pretty to the point. And they said, thanks. We will.
00:12:24
Speaker
We're probably gonna pull him. I was like, oh, okay, thanks. Because I don't do it. There's something I really pride myself on. I'm not gonna go to the referee society and bitch when I don't like the result. I didn't like the result at the time, but that wasn't my concern. My concern was I had four kids with concussions, all of which got high tackled. And none of them got carded. Nobody else got carded. So I was like, that's not great. We need to knock that off. So...
00:12:48
Speaker
Yeah, just listen, you're going to not like referees. It's a fact of life. Just coach your team. Just coach your team to play the way that the referee is likely going to referee. You know what the French are going to do. You know what your staff is going to do. You know what the English are going to do. You know what the game is going to do. It's not a new thing. Just fucking coaching the way you need. You know, you need to. OK, that's just how it is, man. Right. I understand that. But yes, if you want to complain that world rugby doesn't like
00:13:14
Speaker
codify that that way do it that way but you don't like he just made it all about him and and and well he made it all about the uh south africa oh it wasn't about you know the referees were you know everything was it was like everyone's against us this is why this is wrong this is why the refereeing sucks because they call stuff against us and it's like that's not how you do it
00:13:37
Speaker
Try to have a victim mentality when you're defending World Cup champions. Right. Like, shut the fuck up. You're doing fine. I'm at a loss here for that one. You know, and that's it's pretty bad now that I'm just like, I don't want I, you know, I even when they were, you know, at worst, they had been foils, I'd say. Now it's like, no, you guys are just dicks. I hope you lose. Like, yeah, stop being dicks.
00:13:59
Speaker
Let's just kind of, you know, let the, let's become a send this coming weekend and into the heavens and we'll forget that match ever happens. There's a lot not to like about that one too. Shit, man. Do better. All right. Now the fun part. We are going to do a hose 15. So these are, I don't know what anybody else calls them. I always know is we call them horse and that might not be the politically correct term, but that is what we call them.
00:14:29
Speaker
So if I can go into my estimation of rugby horse, how many teams have you played? How many jerseys have you put on clubs? One, two, three. There's been at least.
00:14:43
Speaker
Oh, I play so I play college, high school, and men's I've played for two different men's clubs at that, and then probably about four to five additional jerseys on top of that. Yeah. I've played, you know, I've been a part of three clubs, and I have hoard out
00:15:02
Speaker
for so many others back when I was, I was in my younger days. I've probably, I've probably worn maybe 10 other jerseys to be, if I'm being honest, which is like, it's always been a goal of mine to, to, to play with as many teams, you know, to whore out on as many teams as possible. You go to a, you know, I, I'm long past those days, but you go to a tournament just cause like, yeah, I'll, I'll find a team. No big deal. Right. Sometimes you do that.
00:15:23
Speaker
Yeah. And there's something to be said for someone who just like, you know, hoeing around and playing on a bunch of teams. And because that's, you know, again, it's all about the rugby community. So this is why I came up with this idea, because it was like, OK, who's the best? You know, who's who your favorite? What's your your rugby whore or 15 guys here? Yeah. Who play all over the place. And but you want you want them on your team. Yeah, definitely. All right. Let's start with Lucid.
00:15:54
Speaker
Well, for me it's a tight head. I'm going to tight head prop. Well, yeah, you said two props and threw it in there. Yeah. Well, plus tight head is the only real prop. It says you. Well, I always said that I think most England fans will be pretty happy with and that's Andrew Sheridan.
00:16:10
Speaker
The guy is, and the funny thing is, the guy is still a brick shit house right now, like to this day, because he does powerlifting. And like, you know, you rewind to 2007, it was a semi-clinic quarter file against Australia. And by far, that Australia team shouldn't beat them, but he scrumage the shit out of them and put them on their ass. And really, I mean, the whole, obviously the whole England pack, but everybody Chris shared in quite highly with it. So yeah, and he's been around.
00:16:40
Speaker
clubs in France, clubs in England, obviously. So yeah, he got around. Yeah, he's a he's a folk hero for some. So my my number one, again, who's who's a tight head? I'm conceding that. But again, whatever, suck it. Play has played for he played for four clubs during his professional career.
00:17:04
Speaker
And, you know, in Italy, in England, and then went on to France. And legendary hair for a prop, because you got to have good prop hair. So so my number one is Martin Castrillo. Yeah, that was a good one. I had him in my head. I was like, Yeah, I've picked him a few times. So for other things. So I was like, All right, I'll let him pass this time. I'm taking him here. Yeah, that's fair enough. Number two is a guy that still plays, although he doesn't play for the country anymore is
00:17:30
Speaker
That's creepy. Oh, he's my number two as well. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. That dude's seen quite a few jerseys in his day. I would say that he's worth that to Jersey every time as well. So that's kind of the fun part in many, many ways. Now, I wish I could remember who he replaced for my team, but because I had somebody else before putting him in and but can't remember. So I can't maybe. Yeah, maybe. All right. My my true tight head is
00:17:58
Speaker
Guy actually plays for Leinster right now, Michael Al Atoa. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was like, hmm. He's been on a few teams, hasn't he? And I checked. I'm like, yep. He's been in Australia. He's been obviously in New Zealand with the Crusaders. Now he's in Leinster. I think he even did a stint in Japan. So, yeah. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:18
Speaker
Um, my tight head is, um, Donald, he's so good at tight headery that he can coach it extremely well too with Harlequins. So he played all over the place for, um, for, you know, Osprey's to Cardiff and, and off to Quinn's with his coaching with Emma now. And so Adam Jones is my head. That's a great one. I love it. Cause he's a true rugby. He's, he's a character as well. Yeah.
00:18:44
Speaker
He is quite the character. I love it. I love it. All right, engine room. So I got some really tall focus in this one. I have a guy that is a personal favorite of mine, although he's definitely come to the end of his career. And that's Leoni Nakarawa. Okay, good one. Yeah, he's been he's been around. He's obviously he's over. He's been at Glasgow. He's now over at Ulster. He's been in France. Like, yeah, been been a few places and still pretty damn good player. So I'll give it to him.
00:19:13
Speaker
Um, my, my number four, my first lock is someone who, um, is such a whore that he didn't even stick with union. Um, so, and his literally, I think he might still be playing somewhere, probably, um, Brad Thorne. Oh God.
00:19:29
Speaker
He played all over the place. Crusaders and Leinster and Highlanders. That's a well-traveled rugby player right there.
00:19:43
Speaker
And even played a little bit with, oh no, he coached with the reds. He's coaching the reds now. So if he jumps shipped over there, that'd be interesting. Yeah. He has gone over that way, but not to play. All right. My other lock is a fan favorite of many people that like the, uh,
00:20:05
Speaker
the Saracens and that is big Willie Skelton. Yes. He was on my list, you know, to be replaced by Brad Thorne. So yes, absolutely. Willie Skelton. I'm going with a Safa for my for my other lock. And he's he's a kind of hate the face kind of guy. But but damn, if you didn't, you can't appreciate the game he had. Victor Matfield. Oh, yeah.
00:20:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I've named him on a couple of teams, my team. So yeah, line out master and just an absolute nightmare for teams when it comes to that stuff. So yes, I approve of the victors. All right, back row. I got I got I got this guy's a banger and he just just called it quits, I believe, after the Champions Cup final last year. And that is Jerome Kano.
00:20:58
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Stint in Japan, obviously down in down in the zone as well. Played for one or two teams down there even. And then obviously finished off, polished off a pretty damn good career with Toulouse. And I'm going with for my six. He's kind of out of position here, but I know he gets a lot in there too at times.
00:21:21
Speaker
Frenchman, one of my favorite players of all time, if not my favorite player of all time, and I will always name him when I get a chance to. And that, of course, is the one, the only, Sebastian Chabal. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah, Bourgeois, Saël, Rossing, and Lyon. That's it.
00:21:40
Speaker
Yeah, fairly well traveled individual first got a few jerseys on that wall. No doubt. Yep. No doubt. Next one is a is a hometown favorite and I say hometown me being the United States. The well traveled and Captain America himself talk clever. Hi.
00:21:57
Speaker
He's my number eight. Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. I told I was like, oh, Clevers played for like a billion clubs. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's what I was thinking. I was like, OK, no, he's he's in there. He's an easy, easy, easy eight for me. Nice.
00:22:13
Speaker
My other flank is, uh, yeah, I'm going to avoid the off field stuff. And, but, uh, it's, it's Stefan Amartij. Amartij. Yeah. Good Lord. What a fricking brick shit house. I mean, he's a, he was an athlete. Like what could have been with that, with that guy? Right. What could have been, uh, so you've got your aid at this talk. Nevermind is, um, I got it had a brief stint in England, which was weird for him, much like Shabbal, um, Lee Pekimo.
00:22:44
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah. Been around, been around a few clubs, obviously had had in France, but also had this little stint in Northampton, which put him back on the map because he just, he wasn't, it wasn't happening for reform in France. So, uh, you know, fresh patch of grass and things came good for him. So, you know, good for him. And I thought, I thought that was a nice little resurrection of first career when he went there. And now he's kind of going the other direction. Rightfully. So France are fading him out, but was good in his time. Quite good.
00:23:14
Speaker
And then you're you're clever. Halfback fan favorite of you and you and me won Kobus Reinach. Oh, that's a good one. That's a very good one. I went with Peter Stringer. Oh, I like that one. Yeah, that's a great one. Yeah, he jumped all over the place. And you know what? He always put in great performances, too. So that's a that's a good one, too. Hadn't even thought of that one. I love that one. I really like that one.
00:23:43
Speaker
Okay, 10. It feels like there's 10s all over the place I could possibly play here. Yes, there absolutely were. So, I still have no shame with this one though. Yeah, I'm gonna, this guy has seen it all, I swear, and he's still taking the old man, Jimmy Gobbert.
00:24:00
Speaker
Oh, that's a fun one. He's been everywhere. That's a fun one. He's been everywhere. And he's still pretty good for 38, 39 now. Yeah, something like that. He's pretty good. Yeah, my mind stretches. It doesn't really because I mean, he played
00:24:22
Speaker
for, you know, in, in New Zealand, France, and then went to Japan. Um, but he played a couple places around in that. So, um, so he still bumped around to four or five clubs. Uh, Dan Carter. Yeah. I had him in my head. I was like, you know what? Jimmy's seen the world. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a little too easy to pick him there, but at the same time, Oh, he's worth it. Always worth that. Yeah.
00:24:46
Speaker
11. Yeah, this guy, he's always been super talented, and he has seen a few things with England, and he's got a couple of Champions Cup titles to his belt. Chris Ashton. Oh, okay. He's my 14. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I got 11. But just the same. Right. Seen it all over.
00:25:10
Speaker
I'll hold off then. Then I'll go to my center because I'm sure you have him too. But my 12 is Mahonono. Same. We just resigned for San Diego Legion. Yeah.
00:25:27
Speaker
But wait, are they coming here or are we going there? I don't remember. I have to find that out. I'll find that out. I'm sure it has a really kick ass poster for it. That's all I that's all I know. Yeah. Oh, man. If they're coming here, I hope he's I hope he's healthy.
00:25:43
Speaker
My 13 is still playing. Not only that, but he's still kind of rising in a way. He's come into his own and he may still be peaking yet. You never know. He keeps somewhat fading or somewhat leveling and somewhat keep going up. But, Gail Fikyu.
00:26:02
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah, I like him. Yeah, it's a good one. He's somebody said last week, like wildly underrated in their French teams, especially for his defensive prowess. Like definitely runs that belongs nowhere near the wing. But no, it's a 13 though. Yes, I'll take it. Sign me up for that. That's good. Mine's not playing, but only because he's injured currently. But man, he's a everybody's waiting with beta breath for him to return. And that's Sammy Rodra.
00:26:32
Speaker
Yes. Yes, very much so. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm looking. Everybody's looking forward to that one to come back. So, yeah, I got like freaking three for jeans on my team, don't I? Yeah, I do. That's all right. I'm not I'm not mad about it. Yeah. So my other wing. So my 11 is he's just fucking good. And he's been playing, you know, well, no, he's retired now, but still very much within the rugby community and played everywhere.
00:27:03
Speaker
and also changed his game as his career went on to be much more physical and much more of an imposing threat, not just a back runner out in the space. Brian Habana, just an all-timer. That's a great one. I'll give you that one for sure. Yeah, man. Yeah, definitely one of the best ever. I would definitely credit that to him. My other wing is still active.
00:27:32
Speaker
He's on like his fourth club at least. And it's Nemani Ndolo. Okay, yeah, that's a good one. That's that, yeah. Yeah. Large human. Large human that still runs like a wind. I won him on my team if at all possible. Yeah, yeah. Not easy. Please, please tell me you're gonna wear this shirt and not the other shirt, please. Thank you. Right.
00:27:59
Speaker
My 15 is still active and it's actually a teammate of your 13.
00:28:06
Speaker
Oh, yeah, mine too. Okay. Yeah, I was like, Oh, that's a great one. Because I know he's seen a few clubs. And obviously, he's absolutely fantastic. So between the two of them, and really, I, you know, as far as far as his eligibility for the World Cup's sake, I do hope we get to switch his his allegiance. That'll be really awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Agree for Tonga. So I that'd be great. Yeah. And we saw that there's definitely some bones there for Tonga the other week. But
00:28:35
Speaker
Definitely need some playmakers and he would be a huge addition to that team. A little bit. All right. I think most people are rooting for that one right there. So there we have it. 15. So we got a couple of matches. We had Gus. You had clever. I had clever. We both had Nanu. Nanu. We both had Pyotel. Pyotel, yeah. Oh, we both had Ashley too. Just different spots. Oh, Ashton. Yep.
00:29:00
Speaker
So all right, so we at least we're on we have similar brains, which is terrifying at the same time. All right, let's go to some international roundup, Scotland, South Africa. Just, you know, you mentioned it, and I was and I and I am inclined to agree just, you know, Finn did everything he possibly could for Scotland, but fuck, they were not helping him.
00:29:24
Speaker
The centers were nowhere to be found. He would look over, you know, he'd get the ball and look out and they're all kind of just hanging back like.
00:29:31
Speaker
And it's not to say he has bad centers either, like Matt Scott and Chris Harris are not bad centers by any means whatsoever. So I didn't feel like you got to wonder what's going on and giving him options. And like, so he had to like, you know, that's why he's like, all right, well, I guess I'm kicking because it's like there's nothing there was nowhere else for him to go. And nobody really was in a position to support. Everybody is stagnant. And it's like, that's not that's not the game Finn plays. He's you know, he wants to pass that ball down the line.
00:29:57
Speaker
and get it moving rather than pass it backwards. And especially, you know, to a stagnant, you know, line router, that's not helpful when you're the back. You know, you want to be moving a little bit. Not very helpful at all. And like Duhan had to bail him out a couple of times. Well, that one, you know, the one that led to the hard try was... Yeah. Duhan had to bail him out because the centers were fucking nowhere to be found. So that kind of sucks when you don't really... And who played 14 for Scotland?
00:30:27
Speaker
Oh, God. Yeah, I remember seeing him. I'm like, what the fuck has he done all day? I mean, no, it's not a thing. Did it? Did it? Was there a 14 on the field? Because I couldn't have told you. Your guess is good as mine. Yeah, Rufus McLean was just a ghost. I know. Nobody know. Blair Kinghorn should have been in that match. No word, Joe. That was a poor decision on. Yeah. I remember when Kingshorn came in, it was like, oh, there's another wing in there. That's the other wing. Where's the other guy, Ben?
00:30:55
Speaker
Yeah, it was bad. They had their moments, but at the same time, like just...
00:31:02
Speaker
The South Africans dominated them in a lot of key areas, including that scrimmage, which the Ender Fagerson did not have a prayer in, unfortunately. That's just how it is. You have two world class tight head props and loose head props. And there's really no relief coming. So it's like, you hope the second guy coming on is going to suck. Yep.
00:31:27
Speaker
Sorry, he's gonna be just as good as one of those like, oh, thank God, they're taking this guy out. Oh, fuck, look who's coming. Here comes the next guy. Oh, man. Yeah, freaking ox, you know, that that whole that whole
00:31:41
Speaker
prop regime group that they have currently right now with Kitsap Kok, Ox, and Inukanya, just like, whoa. And then the options that could be in the wings with the likes of like Wilco Lowe is terrible. Yeah, I know. It's like, yes, okay. There's a reason that Wilco Lowe is not on that team. I get it. Malerba is hurt right now as well. So it's like, oof.
00:32:05
Speaker
There's still more in the reserves, which is terrifying. It's absolutely shocking. What does Willie LaRue do for South Africa? Can somebody clarify that for me? I'm still lost in it. Like, he continues to be picked and continues to do absolute dog shit. Like, Mitter's Kicked is about the only thing he's good at. Like, other than that, I could give a fuck. Yeah, I didn't...
00:32:32
Speaker
Yes. I, it's not like, I don't understand what benefit he provides. Does he, he, you know, he is kind of a little bit of a, well, I don't even know. He's not like a bomb diffuser, even like a Liam Williams is that like, yeah, if he doesn't, even if he doesn't, you know, give you an attacking option, he still gives you this. Like he will not let, let a kick, you know, drop and he won't, you know, like he'll do it under pressure. You'll do, you know, fearless on that. No, he's just kind of back there. Like does he directed defense me at that level? How, you know,
00:33:02
Speaker
Don't know. Yeah. I don't know, you know, how much what the drop off from from one full back to another is, but I mean, I just don't stay in kids on the match. Right. Your friend saying could last.
00:33:18
Speaker
a little bit longer. He's a little bit on the wrong side of, you know, although he's obviously still been a monster forever. But yeah, he could last for 45 minutes. He's on the wrong side of 230 right now. Right. She's a big boy, too. But he's like, man, he fucking still has a boot. He does. My lord. He does. Well, he put it 110 kilos behind it. Yeah, he definitely did. And I think he needed all of them, but it worked. Not bad about it. If I was him, no way, man.
00:33:46
Speaker
Oh shit. All right. So that sets up a big one this weekend for like how we did that, um, the, the multi unit thing there. So just realized that, yeah, maybe the, the, the, uh, the broad people might not realize what I meant by two 30. So yeah, the, the pounds kgs half that about half that in kgs too many.
00:34:11
Speaker
Yeah, careful. 230 kgs might be a problem as a fullback. Yeah, no, exactly. There and then the 110 for the Yeah, that one. Alright, so let's let's have a big one this weekend at Twickenham. So did you tuck into Italy, Argentina at all?
00:34:28
Speaker
No. Yeah. Wasn't a whole... I mean, as you'd expect. Yeah. Nothing crazy there. I think the Crammer Try, which was the first one of the match, was pretty awesome. More of the same for Midley, unfortunately. Just, you know, not able to execute at key times. Really, it was a problem. You know, very Wooster-esque. Excuse me. Yeah, not a great thing to be compared to.
00:34:54
Speaker
No. And Marco got hurt. Yeah. That's actually one of the reasons why I'm not watching it. I don't want to see it. Yeah. It was a bad step. And as he's going down, he's grabbing for it. I'm like, oh, that's not great at all. Son of a... Sad. Very sad. All right. So let's run over to the big one at the Aviva. And it was... What one? At the where?
00:35:21
Speaker
The Ireland and the All Blacks.
00:35:26
Speaker
And they played. Yeah, that one. Yeah. Don't tell the Irish that. So there's a few things that they definitely did right for the Irish and the Kiwis didn't play their best match by any means whatsoever. But their kick chase was phenomenal. Gibson Park was on point with his box kicks most of the day. When they didn't have the ball, they were very good in defense.
00:35:51
Speaker
And they starved New Zealand of that ball. And yes, we saw how fast New Zealand can hit you. They had two quick hitting tries and almost had a third. But this is very much a blueprint you can use for them. Don't miss your tackles.
00:36:09
Speaker
even when you don't you just don't miss your assignments. Ty for a long run and kill her. Yeah that was oh that was bad. Publicly you saw that all day. Right. Ty didn't even move which means. No you were stationary. And I think that's because he knew it wasn't his guy and yeah that just didn't
00:36:34
Speaker
It did not go well. And in a lot of ways, the Kiwis were their own worst enemy because they had offsides and they had delayed hits that were... That was majority of their penalties. They had some 50-50 stuff, but the majority of the penalties were offsides and delayed hits. Other than that, if they had gotten rid of those, they would have been fine.
00:36:54
Speaker
but they didn't and that's yeah and they were they were certainly making Ireland work hard in that breakdown because they were going after every ball just about it's what they do but man they were just like up in the ante every five seconds to me my thoughts were Ireland played almost a um to me they they played a South Africa game plan
00:37:18
Speaker
Which in some ways, yeah, like, to me, not and to me it's very different from the old Irish game plan of don't play with the ball they Ireland played with the ball they certainly they threatened.
00:37:33
Speaker
it's, you know, aided up on defense. They're like, you will not get this ball over this line, you know, whatever they could avoid it. Like, yeah, we're making our tackles and we're going to, you know, bring the physicality. Like it shows that you can, I mean, you know, Ireland can do both. So yeah. You can do it more often. And James Lowe slowly redeeming himself after this, after this past spring.
00:37:59
Speaker
I disagree with that. So I was very much on the James Lowe. I've been on a little bit of a pro James Lowe. My only anti James Lowe thing was that he went on the defensive and he suffered an attack.
00:38:15
Speaker
And so, you know, I liked his post-game shit about the, oh, y'all were sticking, or, you know, what was it, you bollocks were giving me shit about my D. And it's like, yeah, his D has been fine. It's that, you know, in Six Nations, I thought he played outstanding defensively, but he didn't do much in attack. But it withdrew from his attack, yeah. And here he played just as well defensively.
00:38:41
Speaker
and score to try. So I mean, that's like, hey, yeah, yes, haters swing on James Lowe's nuts. Cause he is a, yeah, this, he's looking like a worldy here. Yeah. He's looking pretty good. If he can keep up this type of, of standard and attack and defense. Yeah. This is what, this is what we, you know, Ireland we're hoping for.
00:39:07
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. That's what he was hoping for. So I'm sure everyone's too as well. Yeah. And, um, you know, the Irish did play with a little bit of fire when they started kicking the ball back and forth with.
00:39:19
Speaker
the Kiwis, because that is something that the Kiwis will eat up all day long. Now, they for whatever reason, I think the fact that that New Zealand were so damn tired from playing so much fucking defense, but they're like, fuck this, I don't want to run. I just want to I'm just going to send it back. Yeah. So in a way, you know, that worked out again, that was another thing that worked out to their advantage by, you know, just holding on to the ball. And, you know, they were camp in the other end, too. It's not like they were holding on to the ball at midfield and, you know, threat in possibly, you know,
00:39:48
Speaker
playing with a little bit of luck, they were doing it in the right area. So that was also the tough thing for New Zealand. So yeah, they had to play defense like demons for the first 40 by all means.
00:40:03
Speaker
as soon as they were forced to play more defense for the first 10, 15 minutes of that second half, they were gassed. They were gassed. I mean, they were gassed at the end at halftime. So yeah, you don't see that. Nope, not very often. I will say fucking Alan Quinlan, who was the second chair was pissing me off.
00:40:22
Speaker
He was talking about the Ian Henderson penalty and how that's not right. I'm like, no, actually, he was the tackler and he basically just stood up on the wrong side of the ball. So, no, you can't do that. Fucking idiot. And I'm trying to think what the other thing was. Oh, it was something about, I think it was something about the lippiness. And I was like, yeah, I'd say they're both pretty lippy right now. So don't get into it.
00:40:43
Speaker
There's one other thing that happened to either way, it doesn't matter. He was just being a fucking complete helmet either way. But yes, helmets come in all shapes and sizes. Just remember that. And accents. Yes. Yes. England, Australia.
00:41:00
Speaker
A bit disappointing from the Aussies. You know, this was this was tight going into halftime. And man, they just kind of they just gave the ball away way too fucking much. The wall is dead. He did. And then and England brought on some people, some more people who want to express themselves. And that's that was, you know, that was it. As soon as as soon as the England players started getting a little bit loose, it's like,
00:41:28
Speaker
Australia started creaking and then crunch. Crunch. Yeah, there was just so much.
00:41:37
Speaker
Like I don't, I don't think either of the Australian locks had a good day. Neither Rod or Noah Arnold. I was like, one of these guys needs to come off now. Um, tough day for James Slippery. He's playing tight head, which he's not used to. So that's not fun. Uh, fall out fighting God is one of the most useless hookers in international rugby. I don't understand the hype around him. He's not good.
00:42:00
Speaker
Like he works hard. Yes. But everything else he sucks at. Like his decision making sucks. His line out throwing is not that good. Like overrated, like hell, holy shit. Like pass, pass, pass. No, thank you. I will get to do without him all day long. Uh, if I was half on Australia, they need to find somebody, not him. Like they called him total a lot to this weekend and that wasn't great. Uh, they, they need an answer and it's not him. That's neither one of those guys, honestly. Um, even more come back.
00:42:30
Speaker
Right. God, fucking they might need him. Yeah, I know. Shit. But we did see Ali Hoskins, which was so awesome in so many ways. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I wish he had had a little bit more opportunity to play well. But, you know, from a proposition, it's hard to to make a bunch of tackles at that level with the type of attack that England we're going with. So and you didn't get the chance to run with the ball, which disappointed me.
00:42:58
Speaker
No, no, then that's that's definitely something that happens again at a proposition. Sometimes you don't get the ball. It's it sucks. You deal with it. It does. It does. I got to say, like, I see the 15 shirt in England and if I am an England fan,
00:43:19
Speaker
you have no problems right now. That is your guy. Freddie Stewart has been awesome since this, this was it because he, he had, yes, he's got three caps. He's got two, he's got one against USA. He's got one against Canada. He's got one against Tonga. Neither one of those is a challenge. Like
00:43:36
Speaker
You should look decent at the very least, you know what I mean? And even if you don't, whatever, it's like, you can sometimes underestimate those teams and I get that. That's, that's down to your mental things, not your abilities or anything like that. But this, this was a good test. We'll, we'll see what he looks like after this weekend, but man.
00:43:54
Speaker
I would be excited if I was an England fan about that shirt right there because he looks really good. And same for Marcus Smith with his, you know, with the first look of Smith and Faz at 10 and 12. And yeah, I liked, I liked what I saw.
00:44:12
Speaker
Smith putting the steward through for the tribe pretty early on. It doesn't help or it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt, no. That's showing what they can do. We haven't seen stuff like that, though, and I'm not saying that Smith's
00:44:27
Speaker
responsibility to make sure that that, you know, or, you know, it's Smith like wheeling and dealing. I think it's just that that's, you know, wasn't, that's not really Eddie's thing. And Ford is not going to do what Eddie doesn't want him to do ever. And that's why Smith's better. So yeah. And I will also say, in my opinion, just my opinion, that
00:44:49
Speaker
Alex Dombrandt and Sam Simmons did more per minute with more in the limited opportunity that they got than the players they replaced. It's such a difference when you can, again, just like we were talking about with James Lowe, when you can maintain the defensive strength and line
00:45:15
Speaker
and add attacking flair. I mean, when Don Brandt came in the first time for Briefly, it was like, that changed the game. That opened things up for the brief time he was in. And then, you know, he comes back and then, of course, Simmons comes on and puts blimp on her. Yeah, like.
00:45:34
Speaker
Fuck. Why? Why? You know, why wouldn't you have put him in earlier? The game. You had the game one pretty much. So they should have. Yeah, they should have brought both of them on much earlier. So he needs to tell Jamie Blomire he doesn't get to score every game. Just I. Well, hell, who's going to tell him that right now or no? He's got what six and four and one each. So and yeah, he's got one. He's got at least one in every season. I will say.
00:46:04
Speaker
For the lineup's sake, and I'm not trying to shit on Courtney Laws, what I'm saying is, I could do without Charlie Yules and an extra back. You know, especially, and really, why the fuck he... Eddie had max mail-ins and he decided to put two here at 14. Yeah. Really, they did a good job of hiding him. Teams are gonna see more and more. Here's the thing. This is what Eddie's gonna do. He's gonna keep trying it because it worked.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah, you know, he's going to keep trying it because it works more than anything. I'm wondering why Johnny Hill is out there. Also, why? Because like he's a whole. So why wouldn't you just move laws into five? He can still do the same shit from five that he does at six. And then now you have another speedy attacking slash defensive like you put Dom at six.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah. Or you can just put him at eight where he belongs and slide Curry to the side, which makes obviously the most sense. There's that. There's that, too. But I'm, you know, I mean, or if you wanted to put if you wanted to have a, you know, a Sam Dom and then Tom. Back row, which I.
00:47:14
Speaker
Kind of got a semi from that idea, but yeah, that's a great idea. You can still, you put Dom at six for that. Like, and with, with Morrow and, and Courtney at, at Locke, fuck it. Yeah. Now I got to change my pants. Please.
00:47:32
Speaker
What does he'll give you that you can't that you don't want to do? I don't know. I honestly don't know what he's adding these days, like Leno wins. Like, really? That's what you need. And Mauro does that. Right. So Mauro and Courtney got every lock in England that can fucking do that. Like, come on, man. Let's go. He's not been that great defensively and then attacking. He's just this big fucking lumbering oaf not doing anything. Doo doo doo doo. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Oh.
00:47:59
Speaker
Did you catch any of the game down in Bordeaux for the French? French against Georgia. I caught the first half. Yeah. And that was probably the best half. Yeah, I was like I saw where it was going. And I think that's when I don't remember what it had. Oh, no, I had to go grocery shopping and I was like, oh, maybe I'll watch the second half later. And then I was like, no, I'm not. And you realize you're like, never mind. Good. Never mind about that. I had I had to go. I had to be back for the
00:48:28
Speaker
What was it? The Wales, Wales match. Yeah. That was, that was, that was the one that, you know, if I'm going to watch a half, you know, if I'm going to miss a half of one of the matches, it's going to be the second half of France, Georgia. Yeah. Right. Um, yeah. I mean, Georgia fronted up fairly well for about 20 minutes and then certainly, you know, but they were clearly outmatched. It was just a matter of time. Totally.
00:48:50
Speaker
Totally, totally. Yeah. You know, good effort for them. I think it's and I also think it's great that France decided to host this match elsewhere besides Stade de France. I thought so that that helps get the game out there a little bit more for them. Also, the and something I didn't mention before, Italy was at Treviso. It was not in Rome, which is something again, something I think they should do more of and try and put it in the areas where rugby is popular. And yes, you still get a decent crowd that, you know, the Olympic go, but
00:49:18
Speaker
Man, I think if you put it in a slightly smaller stadium, in a more more rugby, you know, mad area, you'll have a winner there and your fans will come out and they will rock. But yeah, just also that also that. But yeah, France gearing up for this weekend, they're going to be facing a wounded animal. So we'll see how that goes. It's gonna be very interesting, I would say. And then yes, we had we had whales.
00:49:48
Speaker
Whales, whales, whales, and Fiji. Say, was it, we share about this? Yes, it was. It was good. I mean, the jerseys kind of threw me off. I like that kit. I think you do without the green shorts. That's kind of weird. I think that's what threw me off. It is kind of weird, but I kind of, I like it for its uniqueness there. And, you know,
00:50:14
Speaker
It was a weekend of weird jerseys. Did you see University of Tennessee's football uniforms there? No. Fucking weird. I didn't realize that. Yeah, no, it was like black and they still had the orange trim and all. So it was kind of cool, but unsettling. Yeah. So yeah, I could see how whales could be unsettling there. Why don't you just wear red? That's what you do. This is what you do. Yeah. Yeah. This could have been. This could have been. It could have gone many different ways. This could have been so much more.
00:50:45
Speaker
Yeah. But Fiji, we're just completely...
00:50:51
Speaker
ill discipline, completely. Very, very. And yeah, you know, way too high shot. So, I mean, you know, it's kind of helpful for them to get a Southern Hemisphere referee like Nick Barry, who's going to go light on them for it. But at the same time, the ARs and the TMO are going to. Thankfully, they talked him into the right decision. Yeah, that was a little he was so willing to just move on. And it's like,
00:51:18
Speaker
I'm not sure he realized what the tackle was. I'm not sure he realized what it was. I was like, no, that's not part of the tackle. That's him on the deck. And that's not good. And I mean, this is what we love about Fiji. They just have the freaking cajones to say, we have 14? Okay. We're still going to do our thing from our own end. Right. That was an amazing try. It was like two amazing tries, right? One right after the other almost.
00:51:48
Speaker
With that, yeah, that fuck. Yeah, they had three cars this weekend. Yeah. Fiji had three cars this weekend. Imagine if they had kept it to one. Even if it was just the red. Who got yellowed? Maui and Tui Tui. Okay.
00:52:06
Speaker
Cause I think, oh yeah, Molly earned that one. That was its gap. Cause I feel like, I don't, maybe it must not have been too silly, but I thought someone was like looking at a second yellow in one of the batches. So it must not have been this one. I can't remember which one it was. There was someone who was already on a yellow and acting a dick. And it's like, you dumb ass. Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah. No, don't ever do that. Okay. Not, not these guys, but still, well, and, and,
00:52:36
Speaker
Go Reese Lightning. Good Lord. So if I can go through my mentality, my mental model, inner inner monologue through that during that, he chipped it. Oh, well, that's an interesting idea. But that these two guys are in such better position that okay, well, look, I appreciate the effort and he kind of got fucked out of a truck. Wait a minute.
00:53:02
Speaker
Wait, he's beating the one. Okay, cool. Hey, he's beating the one. Wait, no. No, that's... Holy fuck, he scored. It really went from a... It really kicked up a notch. He had no business. No business beating one of those defenders, let alone both of them.
00:53:22
Speaker
Yeah, no way. It was it was just last. You don't. That's not fair. That's like he had extra gears, literally, that they don't that that the opponents will not have. Mm hmm. Yeah, no, definitely not. Yeah, I am very impressed with with him there. Yeah, quite good. Very good. And I really liked actually this particular back three.
00:53:52
Speaker
That's pretty good. That was a really well. I'm sad that we didn't get to see Adams out there at 13, but is that like the four of them out there? Yes. Yes, please. Yeah. That a potential big time. But either way, Cuthbert had a day. Liam Williams was man of the match and had a try of his own. Right. Yeah. He's kind of good too. Very good. Very exciting. Very good stuff.
00:54:14
Speaker
All right, let's run along here. Ireland and US on Friday night. Better stuff from the US, honestly. Yeah, was it the Cairns' try? First of all, man, I hope Rachel Johnson is doing all right because that looked bad. They should have taken her out the first. So she's been playing a lot and I really
00:54:39
Speaker
Yeah, she's played her and KZ have played all three matches almost fully. Yeah. So that's pretty terrifying. Right. And I was like, so the first time she like needed a strapping, it's like, no, just just take her out like this. This is. Yeah. And then obviously they didn't. And then.
00:54:57
Speaker
who knows what's happening now. I was looking for it. Yeah. I popped her a message and she was pretty appreciative of it, but no news on it right now. But it looked pretty bad. That looked like the thing you don't want it to be. Yeah. So yeah, hopefully she's right. But
00:55:17
Speaker
much better from the US. And hey, listen, good on Ireland for getting this done. Like, they've had so much shit thrown their way undeservedly. You know, they've been dealing with a lot. So it does suck for the US that they had to play against this team. I think if they played against most other teams, you know, if they played in Ireland on any other weekend, they could have won with that effort that that the US put in.
00:55:44
Speaker
between that and the, um, the, the, the props of just, oh yeah. And, um, shit, I don't have the lineup in front of me, so I can't recall the props name who's retiring lines. I don't know. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:05
Speaker
Um, that's just, what are you going to do? Um, yeah, a prop on a farewell match. And then, you know, backs it up with the try. That's, um, you're not winning. You're not winning that match. That's just, that's, that's the way things go. Um, so.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah, much a little bit better. And what the line outs were better. We pitched about the one, but then they showed this. Yeah, Hampton did way better, way better than anybody had done up to this point. So they missed like one. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, far, far better. Yeah, much better. And then was it the second try that was just.
00:56:42
Speaker
a piece of work and Parsons try was always awesome. Parsons was, which was the first one, but for, for Ireland, but I think it was the first one. It doesn't matter. It was the second was, I think the first was awesome. Anyway, the was it the Karen's try? That was just all the offloads. I was like, that was magic. That was so great. I was like, good stuff right there, man. Right. That's really good. That's because the, the,
00:57:12
Speaker
the offloads and the willingness to, you know, we, you know, both of us, I try to say as coaches is like, know when your turn is over and when someone else's turn begins. And it's like, they got that every single time. Um, just, you know, the,
00:57:28
Speaker
Okay, I'm not breaking this tackle, so I'm just going to look for the offload. You know, that's been their biggest problem with it is they don't look for it, and they fucking look for it there. So a lot of good shit went on there. Yeah, much, much more. That was much more enjoyable than those Canadian matches. Thank you. Much better.
00:57:51
Speaker
Did you catch a the match in Powell, France and New Zealand? That was a fucking ridiculous match. Yeah. France were were unbelievable that like, you know, we talked about the Eagles worldly France. Oh, yeah.
00:58:11
Speaker
Absolutely bananas like it had everything it had the you know throwing the ball around it had the defense knocking it backwards and then the attacks like slapping it backwards to retain it just trying to hold on to it yeah and then the the kick the crossfield kick to space it was like no that's not okay never mind and like yeah it just floats for like that kick was beautifully weighted it just
00:58:38
Speaker
float it out there for the wing just to like run underneath it and just pluck, not even, not catch it, just pluck it out of the air and score on a completely open field. That whole half of the field was wide open. Fantastic. That's, that's rugby right there. That's the great stuff. I'd like to see those fucking knobs on the Twitters talking shit about women's rugby, talk shit about those who tries.
00:59:04
Speaker
right there for the Eagles and for France. Like, no, shut up. It's fucking exciting. I don't want to hear your shit. Yeah. And if you didn't see these matches, go find them. They were excellent matches. They're good matches. Yeah. And I was rather enjoying this one. We did not get to see a whole lot of bougie because she had to come off and she looked very unhappy about it at that. Yeah. But.
00:59:33
Speaker
Jacques was really good. She was in her stead. And this wasn't her first, but she's only got a couple of caps, I think. So it looked like she'd been around. Yeah. And capped it off with a try as well. So yeah, really good stuff from, from the French. And this is, and they brought it off on the broadcast. Like this is what happens.
00:59:56
Speaker
when you have the monumental shift that you've had in women's rugby in probably the last three years and you're out of it for two of them because New Zealand haven't had any competition and that sucks. And really, if you look at the US, the US hasn't had a whole lot either. So both all three, you could probably say New Zealand, Canada and the US are really just kind of knocking the rust off in a lot of ways. So in New Zealand are blooding players right now because they know they're going to need to backfill some stuff. And
01:00:24
Speaker
Would it be is this ideal time? Hell no, it's not ideal time. Is it better than doing it in like, you know, six months from now? Yes. So the best time to do it was six months ago. The best the second best time is now. Oh, you know, they're doing what they have to. But
01:00:41
Speaker
Ponce was the new cap, the 13th cap on this tour, apparently. Ponce would be, she was actually quite good with their throws. So if she can fill out the rest of what they need at that two spot, I'd say it's hers to lose. I'd give her a shot at least this week. And they're gonna obviously play France once again. Yeah, I'd give her a shot at a start because we talked about just the Titanic issues that they've had with their throwing for the lineups.
01:01:10
Speaker
Every time they're like, do we want to go for a line out or do we want to go for a quick tap? The only quick tap because our line out sucks. It's really annoying when you have to go with that. So hopefully that is their answer right there for their take at least. Because we don't want to see the world champs show up to the World Cup next year and just put in a poo.
01:01:31
Speaker
Yeah. I thought, yeah, it'll be okay. And I don't think they will either. By no means am I saying that's what's going to happen because these women will, they'll play this one more match. Hopefully they'll scrape together a win. It'd be nice to them to not have to go home with no on a duck. Um, and then they're going to go play their, their new competition down there. And then they'll gear them up for, you know, their camps in the lead up. And I think that, I think that'll make them better than what we've seen in the last, you know, two, three weeks.
01:02:02
Speaker
So keep, keep the fingers crossed at least. But then
01:02:08
Speaker
Uh, England and Canada at the stoop and Canada came to play for a little bit. I didn't see any of this man. Oh man. They came to, they came to play for a little bit. They, so, and they talked about it and I was like, Oh, I don't think that that's happened yet. Um, Canadian scrum was just shithousing the English for a little while. Yeah, they were, they were backing them up. And again, I don't think England we're ready for it because the last couple of weeks they played.
01:02:35
Speaker
the Kiwi team that's not been really scum ready. So they and they've just been shit. They were just shit housing them. Canada said, No, no, no, not today. We will back you up. And it was really, yeah, it was much better. Obviously, the England eventually ran away with this.
01:02:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But I saw the highlights. I did have a thought about the highlights, though. Yeah. Yeah. There was some good stuff and, you know, a couple of couple more dynamite tries to go with it. So it was really good. You know, this is people talk about why Canadian rugby for the women, at least because it's the only one they got right now anyway.
01:03:13
Speaker
You know, what they've done for the game and that they are definitely a big part of the equation when it comes to the top teams in the world. And at least for 40 minutes after, you know, only being two matches into returning to play, pretty good against one of the best team in the world. So, yeah, you know, not too bad, guys. Right.
01:03:37
Speaker
What I wanted to mention was, you know, from the highlights, saw the Sarah burn try the, um, who was, it was the other, um, there was Alex Matthews try. Yep. That was a good one. And then nine was at Leanne Riley.
01:03:52
Speaker
It was, uh, yeah. Uh, McDonald's McDonald McDonald. Okay. Claudia McDonald. Yeah. So the, they, they, I just saw them for some reason, they all ended up on my Twitter feed one after the other. And I could see them, you know, and I, so I, I watched all of them and it was crazy because they're almost the exact same play each time. And there's just subtle variations that are done between, you know, there's, there's basically four players that are involved. And, um,
01:04:23
Speaker
Just each time they run a slightly different, just a slightly different line, two of them, it was the scrum half pass out to the second receiver in that line. And one of them was the scrum half just taking it herself. And that was like after like a DSP kind of thing, or no, it was a blockers to the scrum half. So the inside runner came on a blockers line or outside and the scrum half kind of went on a line, or I guess it was a fly half at that point where the position she was in.
01:04:52
Speaker
right and then she just took it you know it was like a two-on-one that she just took the inside line and and ran it through so it's like the other time it was a um the the second receiver came on an inside line so it could have been either the two receivers on the outside or the the switch back inside and then the other time it was they were looking for out the back and each time the defense
01:05:12
Speaker
did just something, you know, obviously they, they showed the defense a different look and just spotted the gap and used it. It's just amazing that you can, you know, that much versatility with just four players and just fuck up a defense for three tries. Yeah. You can get them all in all kinds of sixes and sevens.
01:05:30
Speaker
And to me, that's the, that's what I fucking love about rugby is it's like, it's the, the, the variations on a theme. If you can get your team to do those, you know, just those three kinds of things and just pick the right, you know, the, the, the gaps are there. Now, did you pick the right one and fucking England did. Yes. Yes, it did. Okay. Um, a subject that's been mulling over my head and I think it's been mulling over in years for a little while. Um, and then we'll, and then we'll close it out. And here, then there's challenges that face.
01:05:59
Speaker
us here in the US for a women's game that don't most countries don't face
Travel Challenges in Sports Leagues
01:06:05
Speaker
that. And the biggest one to me is geography. Yep. Because getting from A to B for a match is a bitch. Like simple as that. Like, yes, it is. You know, like you and I have faced it ourselves and you saw it even in your coaching, like getting to your nearest opponent
01:06:21
Speaker
is a fucking long hike, which is what most people see as the longest trip of the year. That's our shortest. So that's a problem in a lot of ways, you know, that being the big glaring elephant in the room. Yeah. Like in the Boston area, there are two, the two top women's programs or clubs are Boston women in Beantown and they formed the same year and they formed the same year so that they had somebody to fucking play.
01:06:48
Speaker
Right. We're going to make these two teams so we can at least have someone to play because other. Yeah, you get outside. There's there's a couple others in the area. No, I'm not saying there aren't, but there are all the different levels. But then you have to go to down to Providence or out to Albany or, you know, and that's fucking far. Right. And then and then you look at like the high end stuff like Atlanta. Yeah. New York. New York.
01:07:17
Speaker
Fucking, you know, bet down to your neck of the woods. Yeah. Like, damn. Filling women are doing all right. Um, yeah, there's, there's a couple like, but it's like still the same idea. You know, it's, it might be actually easier in like the Philly area. Cause you can travel down to Baltimore or in DC and New York kind of easily up here. It's like, there's nowhere else to go. You have to go south and you have to go far. Um, so to get a women's professional, really professionalize it.
01:07:45
Speaker
I mean, it's got to be the goal, but it's going to take, it's going to take much, you know, it's going to take a lot of investment. Yeah, it's good. And it's going to take a lot of planning really in my head. I have not unlike the, the league that we don't speak of that used to be here, um, for the men, um, that that dipstick started start with a few teams, five.
01:08:09
Speaker
maybe six, and you're going to have to kind of close off one part of the country to travel. And that's just how it to, you're not going to be able to include one part of the country for a little while. Right. That's just facts. Like, when they did that, Ohio was the team furthest East, like, they're like, we're gonna try and condense the travel. They had what, three California teams, a Denver team. And yeah, so and it was a Utah team, I think, too.
01:08:34
Speaker
And that, in a lot of ways, makes sense for that, if you want to start this. Don't do what he did and not pay people. But yeah, you know, I think if you're looking at it, yeah, you're you're those are going to be the logistics problems. But
01:08:53
Speaker
pick an area, honestly. And I know everybody's got to fight tooth and nail. And if you want to do two leagues that are divided down the middle in the United States, that makes sense. Yeah, I think I would do a baseball style like National American League. I mean, old school baseball style. Sorry for those people who only know interleague play. Some of us remember a time when the two leagues were separate. Yeah, we never played. Never met. They only played in the All-Star Game of the World Series. That was it. And well, preseason, but whatever that doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't count.
01:09:24
Speaker
Like, yeah, you that these teams would never play each other except for that championship. So. Do that if you have to for the first little bit, you know, have have like a California league and then an East Coast league where it's literally like, as I said, you do. Maybe Boston, unfortunately, but definitely New York, New York, Philly, Baltimore, D.C., there's your four teams. Right. And that's your travel. And it's super easy. They're all a day travel.
01:09:55
Speaker
Yeah. And that's way more doable. You don't, you know, to get to send these players on a plane for three hours on a weekend and in a semi-professional league, because it'll start as a semi-professional league. Let's just be real about this. That's how it goes. I mean, even England's not fully professional. They've been doing this for a little while now. Start at that type of thing, you know, and you ask, it's funny because people were just like, well, why wouldn't you want to do all the way over? And I was just like,
01:10:23
Speaker
you can ask the people that have come over for the MLR and when the MLS first started, like ask them, what's the biggest difference? They said, fucking hell, it's the travel. It takes it out of you. Like you talk about, it's honestly, it's hilarious to me that people talk about how, oh, the trip up to Newcastle or... Which is their furthest trip in England, yeah. Right, oh, that's hard. It's like, that's fucking New Jersey, shut up. Nobody wants to go to New Jersey though.
01:10:52
Speaker
I have driven the length of New Jersey more than once a day. It's not that big a fucking deal. It's your moaning. It's not that far. Shut up and put some dirt on it.
01:11:14
Speaker
Yeah, we've traveled. Yes, I'm that baffled by it. Try traveling to DC and then playing. It's not easy. It's not fun.
01:11:28
Speaker
Yeah, to DC, to Atlanta, to Dallas. Those are the ones that come off the top of my head that our clubs had to travel for. You know, you go out to even for Lake Placid for Can-Am. Yeah. And you go over Friday night. You go the night before. It's like you start the night before and then you take Friday off, you take Monday off because definitely you're going to need Monday to drive back. You don't want to drive back Sunday. No.
01:11:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's travel. It's a much bigger deal here in the US. It's also why it's like when they talk about the international like Ireland players. Oh, if you're playing in France that you can't play for
Investment Challenges in Women's Sports
01:12:09
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the national.
01:12:11
Speaker
That's nothing. That's nothing, man. I don't know that shit. Yeah. So it's, it's the problem that faces us as far as that goes, because, um, and the other unfortunate facts is, and
01:12:27
Speaker
God, if I win the powerball, I'll fucking do it all day. But the unfortunate fact is, I think finding investors will be easier than it used to be, but it's still going to be hard for this league. And that's the really shitty thing about it. It'll be easier than it was probably seven, eight years ago.
01:12:43
Speaker
but it will still be hard and that sucks. As previously stated, if I win lottery, here we go. Spend wisely, don't be stupid, thank you. Oh yeah, I got to pay off my credit card and student loans though. Oh, I mean, depending on the size of the hit, I definitely might be able to do both.
01:13:07
Speaker
Oh shit. Okay. Well, I think we covered some good material in this one. Um, no, uh, again, no fancy corner this week as I'm sure. What's that? No fantasy rugby this week. So, I mean,
01:13:21
Speaker
Again, we do have our automations link, so if you're in it, then we'll talk about it at the end now. We're not going to talk about it right now. But we will be back next week, and next week we will be restarting the fancy corner as well. So that'll be fun. It's also a holiday here next week, so we're going to have to sort that whole shit out.
01:13:45
Speaker
but that's not a big deal for you guys. It's more of a deal for Ben and I, but just why I, if it looks a little funny, that's why. But until then, um, yeah, fancy rugby podcast at gmail.com send comments, questions, all that good stuff. Uh, Twitter Ben and I, uh, other than that, uh, we will catch you guys next week and I think stop coming along everybody later.