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9. Breaking the Stigma: Mental Health Truths from Our Healing Journey
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In this heartfelt episode of Spiraling Together: A Mother-Daughter Healing Journey, we dive deep into our personal stories of navigating the complexities of mental health. We open up about the challenges we've faced, the stigma surrounding mental health, and how these experiences have shaped us. By sharing our truths, we hope to shed light on the often-overlooked realities of mental health struggles and inspire others on their healing journeys. Whether you're battling mental health issues or supporting someone who is, this episode offers raw insights and compassionate perspectives to remind you that you're not alone.
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Opening and Episode Introduction
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I almost feel guilty that I wasn't there, too.
00:00:08
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oh so um But see, that's interesting, because... Here we go. Yeah, it's okay. This isn't the first time today we've cried. Yeah. Um... Yeah. So... I, too...
00:00:30
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ah felt a lot of guilt because I wasn't able to be there for you.
00:00:39
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All right, everybody. Welcome back to Spiraling Together, Episode 9, Breaking the Stigma, Mental Health Truths from Our Healing Journey. So this week's episode is probably going to be a little bit deeper than we usually go. um So that's kind of just a disclaimer for you guys. I know the last couple of weeks We're a little bit more fun-ish to talk about, but we still got a little deep. This one's probably
Non-Conventional Mental Health Approaches
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going to be a little more intense though.
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Yeah, and it's it's something that we're both very passionate about. And just know that depending on where you are, if you are having any struggles right now with your mental health and you're in a really low place, this might not be the episode for you because it could potentially be triggering or confusing, just depending. I know for me personally, there's been times in my life when I have been really, really low And I wouldn't have been open to hearing some of the things we might be talking about because they're not going to be what the conventional norms regarding mental health are. And we're gonna discuss some of our personal experiences and the ways that we have overcome the struggles we've had with our mental health. Again, with non-conventional methods.
00:02:09
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Yeah. And so even if you're seeking out more conventional methods, we're not saying that you're wrong either. These are just things. Exactly. their experience There is nothing that we're going to talk about that has worked for us that is meant to shame where you are on your journey. So please know that we are just wanting to spread what has worked for us and what has brought us to a place now that I honestly never thought I would be able to experience in my life ah a time that I am healthy with my mental, physical, emotional and spiritual health and that I see things completely different now.
00:02:56
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Mm hmm. And so
Importance of Mental Health in Modern Society
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the first thing we kind of want to touch on is just mental health in general. Why does it matter? Yeah, it it matters because it's kind of the it's the driver. Right. So in our society, we spend a lot of time in our minds. We really don't slow down very much and connect into our bodies.
00:03:23
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We are going constantly, achieving. We're on our phones a lot. We're stressing out about the future and maybe even being stuck in the past where the pain, the things that have happened to us in the past can hurt us. So.
00:03:46
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The mental health portion is so important for us to be able to take a break from our minds constantly thinking and going and going future past, future past, and not really seeing what's going on in the present. I know everything you're touching on right now, I feel like I was just going to bring up a book already. Okay. The Four Agreements. Oh, yes. Who is the author? Don Miguel Ruiz. Okay. Yeah. So I, our whole family listened to that book on Audible and I do think
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I mean, personally, I'm not in a really low mental health state right now. But I think if you are kind of down there in that area, or even if you're not, that is an and insanely good book to listen to. Because it really, I think the thing that I took away from it the most, of course, is the four agreements and bringing them into your life. But also,
00:04:48
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the way that your mind is so powerful that you create your own heaven or hell. Yes,
Influence of Thoughts and Positive Content
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absolutely. With your thoughts. Yeah, when you're not in a good place, if your mental is only thinking of that hell that you are in right now, you're going to stay there. There's no way out if you don't change your mental, your belief system in the moment and everything.
00:05:14
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That's so true. And what I like that you brought up about a book is because we do have to pay attention to what it is we are also consuming. And that plays such a huge role. If all we're doing is watching movies and social media and maybe they are disturbing in some way. I mean, the news is very disturbing. Social media can be very triggering. If that's all that you're consuming all the time and you are seeing all of the destruction that's happening on the planet right now or
00:05:54
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these debates and all of these things, you can get stuck there. But starting to put things in like books for personal growth or spiritual growth or anything else, good podcasts, that can start raising your awareness and change up, like you said, your belief systems. And it's important what we consume.
00:06:16
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It really is, yeah. I mean, I remember even some things I would do, like you're saying about the news, like I remember I would see like some stuff on Instagram pop up about pages that only post good news. And it might just be like small things like, oh, this dog got adopted that was, you know, living on the side of the road. It's even like little stuff like that.
00:06:42
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When you see that on your timeline pop up, it's like, oh, that's nice. You know, instead of whatever bad stuff is happening in the world, of course it's good to know what's going on, but getting a balance and getting that good stuff to make you feel good too is important.
00:07:01
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Right, because there is both light and dark. And so we we do definitely want to be able to consume things that bring in the light and still show the the good that there is, because there are still really good human beings in this world. There are. Yeah. And it's really hard to focus on the good when you are not good. So that's it's important to advocate for yourself to know that you need some of that. You need to consume some of that keeps your faith going. Exactly.
Personal Stories and Overcoming Struggles
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So
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I think we should dive in a little bit deeper about our personal stories, maybe when we weren't so good, like right now. Um, do you kind of want to start off? Sure. How, how far back do you want me to start off? Whatever you're comfortable with sharing. Well, I'm completely comfortable with sharing this part of my story because I feel that it is,
00:08:05
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It's one of the things that I was meant to share the most. So first off, before I even start, I personally do not believe
00:08:22
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that everyone who struggles with their mental health has a mental illness. I believe that that has been something that has been put on people to believe that they're broken or that something is wrong with them, that is they're not able to fix it.
00:08:40
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And I don't believe it's true. I think the most simplest way to understand when you're struggling with your mental health is that you've experienced trauma in your life. That is where it stems from. It's trauma.
00:08:55
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And trauma doesn't mean that it has to be an extreme trauma. Like it doesn't mean that it has to be a train wreck or, you know, a murder or death. it It can be from the simplest trauma of just as you're growing up.
00:09:13
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the way that you're raised, you know, um even if something so simple as your mother needs to go take a shower when you're a little baby and puts you in the crib and goes to take a shower and at that time you were cold, hungry or thirsty and crying and and she just needed a shower, but you didn't feel that ah secure attachment from her. I mean, it can start as little as that.
00:09:43
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And then as we grow up, we can feel that you know we weren't loved in the ways that we needed to be emotionally. So traumas don't have to necessarily be a major event. So I personally did have several major traumas that happened to me so that it was pretty obvious why I started struggling with my mental health as a teenager. My father took his life. I lost my grandfather. I was sexually abused. Like there were things that definitely happened that were, yeah, a trauma. So when I was a teenager, I didn't know that. I went to drugs and alcohol to try to numb out those feelings that I didn't understand that were going on.
00:10:34
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And I tried to take my own life when I was, I think i the first time was like 13 and the second time was 15. And I overdosed on the prescription antidepressants I was on and was in a coma and wasn't supposed to make it through. And then, you know, why my parents didn't know any different.
00:11:00
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But to put me into psychiatric you know treatment centers and go to a psychiatrist, go to a therapist, do talk therapy and take medications. And and then it obviously never worked for me.
00:11:17
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And then I had several other bouts of depression as I was, you know, getting older. And it wasn't until really the last time that I went down into this, those, that deep depression was in 2020.
00:11:37
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But that time it was different. Something just changed in me because I knew I didn't want to be on prescription medication. And there was just something inside of me that was like, you got to do something different. And so on the previous episode, we talked about psychedelics and we talked about kind of my journey through ketamine and psilocybin and ayahuasca, and then also just truly realizing that
00:12:11
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I was in a state of hypervigilance or survival mode and my nervous system was so unregulated from the career I was in, from not taking care of myself at all, from having a kind of a rough relationship with my husband. Because once you start struggling with your mental health,
00:12:32
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Like you said earlier, it's like every, you struggle with everything. You start spiraling. You start spiraling. You go on the downward spiral. So that's just a little bit of what My journey has been through dealing with multiple, multiple episodes of being in depression, thinking that I was going to struggle with my mental health for the rest of my life. And I now know that that's, that's not true. You don't have to struggle for your whole life. So I think, I guess like a question that comes up for me is
00:13:16
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when do you realize like you're you're so far down because i um i've struggled with depression too but when is the point for you like when depression's at its worst you have a hard time doing anything right you don't want to get out of bed you don't want to brush your teeth you don't want to shower you don't care about anything but when was the moment
00:13:46
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in 2020 that was like, I need to turn this around. Like I do need to get up and I do need to get out of this because I mean, something, we were both struggling at the same time and You know, you um were staying in a hotel a lot of the time and I was back at home and then we had Logan. You know, Logan helped you a lot. I know that. And it's like I almost feel guilty that I wasn't there too.
00:14:32
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oh so um But see, that's interesting because here we go. Yeah, it's okay. This isn't the first time today we've cried. Yeah. Um, yeah. So I too,
00:14:55
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Uh, felt a lot of guilt because I wasn't able to be there for you and I could see, you know, this is, this is the real raw spiraling together. Like we are, this is a processing emotions. This is what it looks like to heal, is allowing yourself to cry. And we haven't really had this conversation. So you're all being able to witness what healing is in real time.
00:15:25
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And tears are part of moving that energy out. And so it's beautiful. You know, I'm not embarrassed and I hope that you're not either. I've tried multiple times. Are we still in a cancer mood right now? I think we are. Um, i'll you don't have to blame it on that. This is just real feelings coming up. So I also felt extreme guilt that I wasn't able to be there for you.
00:15:55
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I don't know if you had suicidal ideation during that time. I know that I did. And when I've been that low, my throat shockers opening now when I'm down that low, I can't see anything else.
00:16:14
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yeah There's nothing else that I can focus on except for that I just I can no longer it was like I can no longer function in this reality and for me it was um I was confused because we had everything we had the beach house across the street from one of the most beautiful beaches on the world in the world. we had We were making tons of money in our career. We had cars. We had like everything that society promises you that will bring you happiness. And I was numb. It's the numbness that happens when nothing in life feels right anymore.
00:17:00
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And I know that 2020 shook us a lot because we didn't know what was going on. And then you're like stuck with the people that you're living with. And then if there's any friction or now I know that it's like, um, the nervous systems, if they're all unregulated, then everyone is triggering each other. And it just turns into this just like, it's just so uncomfortable. Yeah. But Logan was there.
00:17:30
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You know, and, and I'm so grateful that he was there and I, and I did, you're right. I stayed in a condo of a friends because I had to get out of the environment that I was in to change things up and to solely focus on getting better. I'm sorry. I wasn't there for you, sweetheart. I'm sorry. I wasn't there for you.
00:17:54
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That's okay. I definitely have never once thought that. I never once ever thought that you needed to be anywhere than where you were. So just know that. Cool.
00:18:14
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How did you, how did you come up out of that? Um, well, like I kind of brought this up on the last episode. Um, but I was talking about smoking weed and how my days were just taken up by that.
00:18:35
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Um, like I would literally just wake up and smoke. And then if I wasn't high anymore, I would smoke again and it would just be an ongoing thing. And then once, you know, I'd started throwing up from it and greening out. Um, I like the first time it happened, I was like, yikes. And then it was like.
00:19:01
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it happened the next day and then it happened the next day and then it just kept happening. And then I started realizing I was doing it to myself on purpose at that point. Cause I was like, obviously this is the new norm and I'm not changing anything. And at that point I was like, okay, this is bad. Like I don't want to do this to myself anymore.
00:19:30
Speaker
Cause I just realized I was punishing myself. And I was like, I don't know why really. Like, yeah, I'm really sad, but why? I don't know. I was just like, I i can't do this anymore. It was like, I'm just hurting myself physically now as well. And I didn't want it to get worse.
00:19:58
Speaker
So you had the strength to have that realization and then stop it. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I would also say like you had Logan that was there to help you. I had like my best friend Savannah and she was with me through a lot of it. Um,
00:20:22
Speaker
By the way, Savannah, I love you, sweetheart. And you are one of our biggest supporters. And I always see that. And I'm just really grateful. And thank you, because I and don't think I've realized that you were there for Chloe. So thank you. Yeah, thank you. Are we crying? Ooh, yeah. Here's the thing that is so important also to understand that I think that we're missing sometimes in our society is we need each other. We need relationships. We are relational beings. and And we have to have people to love on us and support us. And we're not meant to be independent. We're just not.
00:21:17
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If we were, then the moment we were birthed, we would be out running around and doing things on our own. But if you have a baby, what do they need? They need you to hold them and feed them and change them. And we are meant to be in community and with others. And I think one of the things that happened during 2020 was that we were cut off all of a sudden.
00:21:46
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Yeah. And that was such a shock. And we didn't have the ability to hug each other. I mean, we were like behind masks and we weren't able to see smiling and we weren't able to, to just be with each other. And
Importance of Honest Conversations
00:22:02
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it's so important, especially when you do go down, that you have somebody and I know that not everyone does.
00:22:13
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but please find like-minded people or a community, even if it's on online, until you can be around others. right it's ah It's so important. I know that some of my very best friends now I met them through all the struggles and we're there to support each other. We Marco Polo each other or we do whatever to talk and to be honest about the things that are really going on in our lives and not just pretend that everything is okay all the time. Cause you know what? It's not. Yeah, definitely not.
00:22:58
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We don't need toxic positivity. We need to have the vulnerable conversations. When someone asks that, everyone says, how are you doing? Don't just say good if you're not good. Just be like, you know what? I'm going through some things right now. And hopefully the people that you talk to can hold the space for you.
00:23:24
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and not try to make you feel that what you're going through isn't as big as what someone else is going through or whatever. That's a good thing to bring up because ah I think a lot of the time when we do feel bad for ourselves,
00:23:43
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And then you'll like look at somebody else and you're like, Oh, well I don't have it as worse as them. So then you're like, yeah, why do I even feel like this? I've done that a lot. Yeah. And and that's a learned thing and that's really bypassing your own pain. And so just know that Every human being goes through struggles.
00:24:15
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And even if it doesn't seem like a lot, if you're feeling it, allow yourself to know that and don't think that, Oh, I, I shouldn't feel this way. No, it's, it's okay. Because when we, when we tell ourselves that we're not worthy of feeling certain things, that's when that energy gets stuck inside of us again, or we come hardened off to it, our own humanity. Right? Yeah.
00:24:45
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It's a lot to be a human. It really is. It is. It's a lot. Aloha listeners. We hope you're enjoying this episode of Spireling together. We're just taking a quick break to remind you about a few things.
00:25:00
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00:26:05
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I wanted to share a little bit about what I did. If that's cool with you. Yeah. Just because like, you know, you had, you said that you had the strength to have that realization that you needed to just stop the things, but let's say you can't like, I know where I was. There was no way like I could see it.
00:26:30
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But I couldn't actually stop it. So I knew that I had to take different steps. So yes, I was so fortunate at the time that I was able to go stay at a good friend's condo.
00:26:45
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My son came to help me because I literally told him that I had suicidal ideation and I just needed someone to be around me. And he took me to appointments for the ketamine. And then there was something and inside of me that was just like start yoga. And I just was like, okay,
00:27:05
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We went and waited in the in the line in Waikiki outside of the Lulu lemon and I got a yoga mat and I just turned on YouTube and I found Sarah Beth Yoga. And every day I did just like a 15 or 20 minute yoga. I started journaling. I started, you know, Logan, we went and got beaky bikes and rode around.
00:27:28
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And I just really started focusing on taking care of myself and fighting for myself. And I did yoga every single day for six months. And what I later learned about yoga what yoga does is that it actually helps move the energy through your body, but it also helps regulate your nervous system if you're someone that is not used to slowing down your mind. And then I also, one of my friends told me about the school she was in, Sacred Path Healing School. And she was like, it might be something that you're interested in. And
00:28:16
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And because I didn't want to get on prescription medications, I was like, I am so desperate to try anything, like anything. So I signed up for the course and within like two months I had this awakening.
00:28:32
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the spiritual awakening that made me see all of the things that we deal with in humanity, all of the traumas that hurt us and keep us in this state of victim consciousness, where we can't move out of that unless we start taking care of ourselves, unless we start realizing how much our past affects our present moment,
00:29:00
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And when we're stuck in that, we're not actually going to be able to thrive that we're just trying to survive day to day. And, and we're not meant to live like animals.
00:29:15
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We have consciousness. Animals don't have that ability. So I didn't want to live anymore in a state of survival. Yeah. And I've just, I've
Daily Practices for Mental Health Improvement
00:29:27
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now I'm, I'm, I continue to do daily practices every day that keeps me in my body and not in my mind. And I noticed that if I go into my mind too much, that is where I start feeling that, that stress, that anxiety that, and then I just, I'm like, okay, I know what to do now, those practices. Yeah. I think, um,
00:29:52
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I'll share what I started to do as well because, I mean, it wasn't an overnight like, Oh, I got to stop doing this. Boom. I'm fine now. You know? Okay. i am I also did daily stuff or at least you know tried my best to do stuff daily to get out of it. And since I was staying at the house, um one of the things, because we also couldn't do anything because it was COVID, but I would just go outside and lay a towel out and lay on the grass just to get some vitamin D. um I would put on my headphones and listen to good music, not
00:30:34
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me not sad music because that keeps you down um and then i started reading books which i had always like hated reading in school, and I would never read the books. I would just find the summaries and stuff like that online, but I remember specifically this one book. It's called Acts Like a Lady by The Lady Gang. It's three women. I don't remember their names, but it was the first book that I fully read in like years, um and it kind of just
00:31:18
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talked about each of their own lives and how different they were and It was kind of like pushing that narrative in my head that like, you're not too old to start something new, which for me, I think that was the biggest problem that I was having because I was just graduating high school, but then I was no longer going to college anymore. And that's.
00:31:50
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something that society pushes on you that you have to do to be something. And so since I was not doing that anymore, I was, you know, feeling really bad for myself and like my life is going to go nowhere now because I'm not doing what society says. Um, so that kept me in like a box for a while, but I think that book really did help me. And another thing is like, I do think, um,
00:32:23
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your parents can tell you stuff and like they can support you through everything in your life. um And like you know you telling me, like oh, it's fine. you know There's still a part of you that's like, well, you're just my parents saying that. you know like Of course i I believe you and I trust what you're saying, but it does help when you find other sources as well telling you that.
00:32:52
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so that it doesn't just feel like, well, of course you think that I'm going to be okay, you know? Um, so I would like finding other resources that reiterate those things to keep you going. You know, not everybody's life is the same and not what society tells you what to do has to be done to be a successful or happy person. Um, so that book really helped me out a lot.
00:33:21
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Um, and then I started working out again too. Like we said, like mental health is going to. Um, play a big part in the other health aspects of your, of you, like physical health, spiritual, whatever kind of health you want. Um,
Exploration of Consciousness and Mental Health
00:33:41
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but yeah, those, those things were kind of the start for me was just like reading books again, going outside, finding good music.
00:33:55
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taking care of yourself yeah and doing things for yourself. Yeah. It's important. And all that goes away when you get down there. Yeah, it does. When you're down in the depths, you really, truly don't It's just like you're lost down there. You're just lost. You're stuck in a trauma loop is what it is. And you're stuck in.
00:34:28
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So there's different themes of consciousness that we can be in. And one of the ah Dr. David Hawkins, I studied his work during Sacred Path. And the way he describes it is depending on how you're feeling, like let's say you're in fear or judgment or guilt, those are Each of those themes actually have a certain frequency to them or a certain vibration. And so if you're down in that state of fear or judgment, guilt, anger, any of those things, that's all you're really going to see in your life. That's all that you're going to bring to you.
00:35:16
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And so just like you said, you create your own heaven or hell. If you're stuck in those loops or those themes of consciousness, you're going to be stuck in your own hell. So it's it's doing the practices that can help you raise your frequency or vibration to things like courage. Like I have the courage now to take care of myself. I have the courage now to go out and get in the sun, do a yoga practice, a breathwork practice, reading,
00:35:51
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the courage to call a friend and see if we can get together because I need to have another person just to love on me. um So that's another way that you can really bring yourself up is by focusing on just taking care of yourself and knowing that if things just keep staying the same you might be stuck in a certain theme of consciousness. One of my favorite books is The Inner Work by the yoga couple Matt Nash. They talk about these themes of consciousness
00:36:28
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in a much more in depth, intangible way. But again, like I said at the beginning of this episode, you have to be in a place where you can receive all of this new information because it is jarring if you've lived your life based on just the beliefs that the majority talks about, yeah especially when it comes to mental health.
00:36:59
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it it could It opens a whole new world and just make sure you're ready for that because that in itself can bring on dark nights of the soul where you're like, whoa, what I thought was real my whole life is not really real.
00:37:19
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And that can be very scary too, definitely. But once you can work through that and you can get to these higher frequencies, higher levels of consciousness, you can start experiencing joy. Like I literally never, I was telling my husband,
00:37:39
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before I had my awakening and did so much work, I didn't know what true joy felt like. I mean, of course, when you were born and when Logan was born, that was like one of the best, those were the best moments of my life, bringing you both into this world. Here I go. And just feeling like, wow, you know, that I remember just feeling like, wow.
00:38:03
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um But then it was like there wasn't a feeling of joy. Like now I can wake up and I can be like excited about my life and excited about living even with all the craziness that's going on in the world. Like I know what true joy feels like now. And I don't. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:26
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wild how new things can really open up your life. Yeah.
Critique of Conventional Mental Health Treatments
00:38:34
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And there was something else I wanted to touch on during this episode because we are going into things as far as mental health goes. I've expressed that for me, prescription antidepressants, I don't believe they work.
00:38:54
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There is a study now that shows that, I know that everyone has heard about that you have a chemical imbalance. They've now shown that that is not true. So there are new studies showing that that was a falsity. You don't have a chemical imbalance. You don't need to be on those medications to change the chemicals in your body. You're not imbalanced in that way. And they're um Dr. Kendra MD. She's on Instagram, Dr. Kelly Brogan. There are psychiatrists that go are going against the norm.
00:39:33
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And showing people how that they can heal themselves. And even if you've been on prescription medications, how you can wean yourself off of them if it's something that isn't working for you. And then lastly about the societal norm of just going to talk therapy.
00:39:57
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Again, when I talked about earlier us being in our minds all the time, think about this. If all you're doing is talking about your problems and they're just recycling over and over again, you're not really dealing with the root cause of them. And you're actually perpetuating that same theme of consciousness with this talk therapy.
00:40:21
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and your therapist or your psychiatrist, if they're not giving you somatic practices to help you get in your body, they're helping you stay in your mind. They're telling you and giving you advice that they think maybe you should do with your life when actually you have an internal guidance system and an intuition that can help guide you on the right path. And I'm not saying that all therapists or all psychiatrists are It's just for me, that is something that also never worked for me. It wasn't until I worked with energy healers and and other types of work that helped me really truly move the energy out of my body and get back into my body and back into my knowing that I'm more than just my mind.
Impact of Thoughts on Physical Health
00:41:12
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Yeah, I kind of was going to like touch on what you were talking about, like talking about your problems over and over again. It's like that belief of talking things into fruition. So this isn't really off topic, but the example I'm going to use a little bit. Well, not really. Okay. It's like,
00:41:37
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I have this problem, well, I do this a lot to myself. It's like something happens a lot um and I talk about it and I'm really scared that it's gonna happen, like, oh, I think I'm gonna get sick.
00:41:55
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I'm like, Oh, I started coughing. I think I'm going to get sick. And then I think the whole day I'm like, Oh, I'm getting sick. I'm definitely getting sick right now. I'm going to get something. And then the next day it's like, Oh, my throat hurts really bad. Okay. I'm definitely sick now. And then I just keep thinking that. And then the next day it's like fever. And you created that. Yeah. Cause.
00:42:22
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I feel like this also goes along with the four agreements because it's really fresh in my mind. It's like I made that agreement with myself. Yes. And I've made this agreement with myself before because I've said this multiple times on a podcast already it's like I have an autoimmune disorder so I have a weakened immune system so anytime I have any symptom of getting sick I'm like oh I'm sick like yeah it's gonna it's gonna beat my immune system but the last time
00:42:56
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that I was in Oahu. My boyfriend came and he got sick and I was like, oh, I'm definitely going to get sick because like I'm in immediate contact with this person. and And he had like a fever and everything and I was like, there's no way I'm not going to get sick. But then I started turning ah it around in my head and I was like,
00:43:18
Speaker
you know what I'm not gonna get sick like I'm gonna be strong and I'm gonna take care of him and all this stuff and I didn't get sick which is so unlikely of me because just in my relationship with that person, I've gotten sick probably five times. And so where, where did, whenever you start talking to yourself, what is that theme of consciousness that you're coming from, the lower one? Fear. Right. So fear,
00:43:53
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that lower vibration, that lower frequency, you're like speaking that spell over your body and your body holds so much wisdom that you told your body it was getting sick. And then the last time, what did you do? switched this I Well, I caught myself getting scared.
00:44:14
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And I caught the fear coming up, and then I was like, you know what? No. Just tell it no. It's not going to happen again, because you can break those cycles that you create in your head. Exactly. and I mean, it seems so obvious, but we do go to the negative before the positive so many times.
00:44:40
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And think about just that simple switch. Change it around and see what happens. Yeah. It's like your thoughts create your reality. You can make yourself sick just by believing you're going to get sick or you can. Yeah. Or even if people tell you like, you know, if if you're you choose to eat McDonald's every once in a while and someone's like,
00:45:09
Speaker
oh you're gonna get fat or you know this is gonna happen to you because you're doing this or you smoke or do something you're gonna get cancer it's like sometimes when people plant that seed in your brain you're like oh you're right And then you just keep thinking it. And then sometimes it happens because that, just because that person put that seed in your mind, you let it grow by continuously thinking it. And our society loves to do that on a large scale. Scary. Yeah.
Self-Worth and Generational Healing
00:45:47
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Saying that you have a mental illness just because you might be
00:45:54
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Currently going through a little bit more in your life Mm-hmm, which sorry. and No, you're I I think That is a huge thing that is going on is people like posting stuff, posting symptoms about this and that. And like you'll be scrolling on your page and you get something that's like, oh, do I have this and this disease or illness or whatever? And you're like, oh, I do that, I do that. Oh my gosh, I think I have this.
00:46:27
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Then you go on Google and then you go on WebMD and then you're stuck in this loop and you keep getting scared. This is another thing that happened to me with UTIs. I used to get UTIs all the time, just all the time. And I would get so scared that I was going to get them because they do suck. If you're a woman or, well, anybody. Yeah.
00:46:53
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You know, UTIs suck if you've had one before and they can get really, really bad. I used to get them all the time. And then I just stopped thinking I was going to get UTIs. And like, I haven't had a UTI in like two years. Again, it's just being in the fear and What I wanted to talk about a little bit, what you brought up for me was I was recently listening to a podcast, the Higher Self podcast with Danny Morell and he had a guest on and they were also talking about mental health and
00:47:37
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all of these different symptoms that we have and all of these different diseases that we have in Western medicine that you know there's ah that everyone has a diagnosis for something. Bringing it to a real big truth is that it's really the separation that we have felt from our higher selves. It's a separation.
00:48:06
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that has caused us to go into these beliefs that we are broken or that something is innately wrong with us and you're not broken. It doesn't matter what has happened to you in your life, the things that you have gone through, the things that you may have done, you're not broken and you're worthy of feeling better and you're worthy of taking care of yourself and coming back to the truth of who you really are You're not just human, you're also divine and you're sacred. And coming back to that connection is what's going to help you the most in your mental health journey.
00:48:53
Speaker
And you have to trust yourself. Yes. With everything that begins to happen, even if the people that are in your life, you tell them stuff and they're like, Ooh, that's weird. And they're like, Ooh, you sound kind of crazy. Be the weird one. yeah Be the crazy one. Be delusional. It's okay. It's really okay. Be the black sheep or the rainbow sheep. I know I am. ah And I'm happy about it. I am because
00:49:25
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It's not just that you're going to save yourself, but who else can you impact? Yeah. yeah How else can we stop this generational trauma? and breaking the stigma. So yeah, I really enjoyed this episode with you too and thank you for being vulnerable. Thank you for telling me how you feel being open to discussing topics that I know that can be hard and triggering. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:57
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And I don't know what our next episode
Closing and Listener Engagement
00:50:01
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is gonna be. If you have anything that you want to hear us talk about, please let us know. We would love ideas. We love hearing from you guys. um I know that we've gotten a few private messages from friends or even from people we haven't talked to in so insanely long, but The kind words that you guys say, whether it's publicly or privately, mean the world and make us feel like we are making an impact. And even if it is for the couple of you guys that are here, it's worth it. It's so worth it for us. I know that eventually
00:50:42
Speaker
This is going to unlock more service. I know for me, I definitely want to be in service in a, in a even broader spectrum. But for now, this is where we're being guided and I love it. Me too. It is, it is a lot of work to put these episodes together and make the time, but it again, it's worth it. It's worth it for the people that reach out and just let us know and say thank you or yeah. So let us know if there's anything you'd like us to discuss. If we've definitely experienced it in our journey, we will. Yeah. And and thank you all for your love and support.
00:51:27
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Yes, we appreciate it very much. Yes. So just like we end every episode. Don't judge her. Just love her.