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Episode 23: Sacred Boundaries & Soul Paths: A Mother-Son Dialogue on Awakening
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On this episode of Sacred Self Love, I'm joined once again by my son, Logan Critz, for a deep and honest conversation on healing, boundaries, and honoring our individual soul journeys. Together, we explore the difference between healthy boundaries and controlling demands, and how true boundaries come from self-respect—not the need to change others. We also talk about the hard truth that not every soul chooses to awaken in this lifetime, and the importance of releasing the need to force healing onto others. This is a powerful dialogue between mother and son, rooted in love, acceptance, and the understanding that awakening is a sacred, personal path.
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Introduction to Sacred Self Love
00:00:00
Valerie Vazquez
Aloha and welcome to Sacred Self Love. I'm your host and guide, Valerie Vasquez. And tighten your seatbelts because Logan's on the pod again today. No, I had people reaching out and saying they really enjoyed us talking together. And for those of you who miss, Logan is my son who is also on healing journey.
Mother-Son Relationship Dynamics
00:00:23
Valerie Vazquez
And in the last episode, we talked through lots of dynamics of mother-son relationships and all of the relationships that we have in our lives and how it's affected during our healing journeys.
00:00:41
Valerie Vazquez
So usually I start out with a farm update, but we don't have a whole lot of updates.
Astrological Events and Healing
00:00:48
Valerie Vazquez
Frappie's still hanging on to the little lamb inside, and so we're expecting a baby to be born any day now, and when I'm recording this episode, it's a couple of days until summer solstice on Friday, June 20th, as well as the sun moving into cancer.
00:01:08
Valerie Vazquez
So like I've talked about before, it's important to understand that during this process of healing, we are also being guided astrologically and through the different seasons and the different positioning of the sun, the moon, all of the planets, they do affect us.
00:01:29
Valerie Vazquez
And on the summer solstice on Friday, it's a really great day to spend some time outside Since it is the summer, should be really warm wherever you are.
Celebrating the Summer Solstice
00:01:41
Valerie Vazquez
Well, unless you're in the southern hemisphere. But it's a great day to make some sun tea to make some a flower crown for yourself and surround yourself with a color yellow.
00:01:55
Valerie Vazquez
And then as the sun is moving into the sign of cancer, that is a water sign. And usually water signs are indicative of bringing up some emotions.
00:02:10
Valerie Vazquez
And so just allow that during this cancer sun. Allow yourself to to feel. it's ah It's a nurturing sign. And then the week after the new moon will be in cancer, which is the the sign of the moon,
Individual Healing Journeys
00:02:27
Valerie Vazquez
which is cancer. So it's a very motherly, nurturing, great time to spend at home.
00:02:34
Valerie Vazquez
And so without further here is Logan. here is logan Hello, everybody. just to say thank you for having me on your podcast again. It's very heartwarming seeing all of the ah messages of the listeners saying how great of a conversation we had last episode.
00:02:57
Valerie Vazquez
um And yeah, just grateful to be here and share my young wisdom and experiences I've had ah Today we are going to be, and topic at hand is kind of how to navigate being on a healing journey with people around you that might not be on that journey with you, or they may even be discouraging you in places of your healing.
00:03:26
Valerie Vazquez
Let's get into it. Yeah, this is a really good one.
Family Healing Processes
00:03:29
Valerie Vazquez
And it's it's a so important because Not everyone chooses to go on this path. And even if you are on the path, those around you still may not choose it.
00:03:46
Valerie Vazquez
So it's really important to truly understand that it's an individual process. and once you start becoming aware of your own ego and you start becoming aware of just how normalized living in state of unregulation and a state of trauma is in the world, it becomes just, it's it's it's just like a focus that you start seeing more and more
00:04:25
Valerie Vazquez
But again, it's ah it's a very individual process. It is, it is. um I believe on this process that we've had as a family, ah we've all done a pretty good job. i know we've all had our ups and downs, just like everyone.
00:04:45
Valerie Vazquez
um At this point in our life, we are encouraging each other, but there's definitely been a time where we've all been scrambling around, ah discouraging, confused, just natural human emotions.
00:05:02
Valerie Vazquez
I believe the most important part, like you said, is it's an individual journey. And I know everyone can relate. You want your partner, you want your family to be healing with you. That's all you want because you can see the light.
00:05:17
Valerie Vazquez
You can see how good you feel. Less anxiety, less triggers, everything. But again, it's an individual process.
Societal Understanding of Healing
00:05:27
Valerie Vazquez
You can definitely encourage your family, your loved ones, mom and dad, whoever.
00:05:34
Valerie Vazquez
but just really realize it is an individual process and people, most people aren't going to understand in society today.
00:05:47
Valerie Vazquez
So what are your, what things have you done your healing journey, in your process that has kind of given you more individual um a more of an individual healing rather than maybe reacting towards people?
Spiritual Awakening and Self-Care
00:06:08
Valerie Vazquez
Well, ah that is oh
00:06:15
Valerie Vazquez
i have put myself through school, the Sacred Path Healing School,
00:06:29
Valerie Vazquez
and i have, and other courses, and I've really focused as much as I could on taking care of myself Like in the beginning of the process, it was most people on this podcast have heard my story, but just the um spiritual awakening I had in 2020 after going through that deep, dark cycle of depression and um having that awakening and then just like literally surrendering and knowing that there was, there had to be something more than
00:07:12
Valerie Vazquez
than what we've all been taught. And then just knowing each time that I just have to return back to myself every time. And I mean, i have I've made a mess many times because like you said, when you are beginning to unravel the parts of yourself that are no longer serving you,
00:07:39
Valerie Vazquez
that are holding you down in pain, um you want others to feel that too, like you said. So i I've, and especially like in your romantic partnership, that is like the one place where,
00:07:55
Valerie Vazquez
It's so confusing because you are shifting and then they want things to stay the same, but you're no longer the same. You can never come back to being the same once you begin the process of becoming aware
00:08:16
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah.
Challenges of Change in Healing
00:08:17
Valerie Vazquez
When you, like I said last episode, when you start doing breath work and you're able to have different interactions with everybody that's in your close circle, when things would trigger you that now they don't because you are doing the work and you're more regulated, ah they're going to see that and they will just be confused, they may even be mad that you are changing and you're making these differences in your life.
00:08:47
Valerie Vazquez
And they're probably mad at themselves because they're not putting in that work or they can't wrap their mind around being able to change.
00:09:00
Valerie Vazquez
I know for the older generations, it's a lot harder to
00:09:08
Valerie Vazquez
I guess kind of change like heal, make these differences in your life, even the small differences like breathing, it's hard for them.
00:09:19
Valerie Vazquez
The ego is going to keep you where you're at. They're going to keep you safe, what your ego thinks is safe. So going around as a family, best thing that I can kind of say is healing yourself and putting in that work for yourself and trying not to resent or get mad at somebody that isn't doing that work either because that's just going to be more detrimental to yourself if you can continue to show up for yourself and show the people around you what is capable with healing and going within and
00:10:08
Valerie Vazquez
healing that inner child that's inside of you.
Choosing Love in Healing Journeys
00:10:11
Valerie Vazquez
It's a very beautiful thing.
00:10:17
Valerie Vazquez
The Thing I could say too is when you are on this journey, again, is not trying to, or just not resenting the person for not showing up for themselves, but it's to kind of show more love towards them in ways that you used to react to certain things, witness and be aware of it on the inside and change your own
00:10:47
Valerie Vazquez
reactions towards it.
Self-Awareness in Healing
00:10:49
Valerie Vazquez
It's going to change a lot of stuff in your life. Yeah, I agree. and
00:10:58
Valerie Vazquez
the The part about the healing journey that's so revealing is that your partnership and most people in your life, when you come up to that resistance, look in the mirror.
00:11:14
Valerie Vazquez
i promise you, you are doing the same exact thing. is just in a different aspect. What you're really getting angry at, it's what you what we call the shadow, the part of yourself you haven't seen yet, but you are doing the same exact thing in some other capacity of your life. You just have to sit with it and really truly come, like you said, Logan, into your heart and Because, okay, healing the true healing is coming back into your heart chakra and having compassion and love for all, wanting the highest and best for all.
00:11:57
Valerie Vazquez
So if you are in a place where you are judging or resenting someone else, then honestly, that's not your higher self.
00:12:10
Valerie Vazquez
That is your parts of you that are still wounded, that are wanting to point out what someone else is doing wrong so that you can be right. And that's not healed. That's just finger pointing. Really, honestly, it is.
00:12:27
Valerie Vazquez
and this is a very, very revealing process. If you want to go all the way through it, it's very revealing and you're going to make a lot of I don't even want to call them mistakes, but your things are going to come up for you. and there's going to be honestly a lot of triggering in the beginning of this process. There
Ego Resistance in Initial Healing
00:12:52
Valerie Vazquez
just is. Even if you have done breath work, if your partner is not showing up in a certain way and you you are or anyone else, it's going to be triggering.
00:13:02
Valerie Vazquez
It just is. Yeah, the beginning is the, I mean, it's all hard, but the beginning is the hardest part because that ego is so strong. But the more you fight it, the more you take care of you, your soul, the easier it gets.
00:13:21
Valerie Vazquez
I remember, i think it took me 20 breath works to fully actually... get the benefits or fully believe in it.
00:13:34
Valerie Vazquez
Cause when I started breathing, i couldn't wait until I was done with it. I couldn't wait to be done, but that was the ego talking like, well, how many more rounds is it? How many more minutes?
00:13:47
Valerie Vazquez
But that's just work. That's the healing work. It's hard in the big, it's really hard in the beginning. After 20 breaths works, I was like, I'm going to fully surrender and I'm going to let go of all of these thoughts.
00:14:02
Valerie Vazquez
And that breath work, I felt so much energy, so much vibrations in my body, seeing colors in my head and everything. it was super beautiful.
00:14:16
Valerie Vazquez
So it takes an intense amount of work and looking in and it's scary with that shadow, the shadow self, just like you said, your relationships
00:14:31
Valerie Vazquez
kind of a mirror on how they treat you is may how you treat them or how you treat yourself.
00:14:42
Valerie Vazquez
Boundaries, definitely, yeah everybody knows what boundaries are. You have to set boundaries in a loving way and not in a reacting way and in a way of anger or disappointment boundaries, but you have to tell your partners, family, work, things that have to change.
Setting Boundaries in Healing
00:15:08
Valerie Vazquez
in a loving way. And that's going to do so much more than popping off on someone being like, I can't do this anymore. This needs to change right now. Because really, when you have that much anger, it is a lot of built up anger and resentment.
00:15:28
Valerie Vazquez
But being able to be in your heart, make those boundaries with the people around you that may be discouraging your journey.
00:15:40
Valerie Vazquez
It's very, very important having those conversations with your loved ones, family, friends in a loving way and not reacting takes a lot of work, but you're going to feel so much better on the inside and you're able to do that.
00:16:01
Valerie Vazquez
True. I really like what you said. boundary, it's not, you're not going to place a boundary when you're angry. And you're not going to get through to the other person if you say, like, you're not going to do this anymore to me, or you can't act like that, or, you know, you have to
00:16:26
Valerie Vazquez
kind of plan ahead with I know for me, this is just a simple example, but whenever i am, we live in this, and Chad and I live in this house, it's really small. I mean, it is literally like all open and there's one bedroom. And if I do have something I need to do online on Zoom or whatever, or even with Logan, like when I've had ceremonies out on the land, I have to pre-plan this and say, hey guys, on, you know, two days from now, from 10 to 12, I need the house to myself and please no mowing around the house because that's loud.
00:17:10
Valerie Vazquez
And that's a proper boundary. Here's an example of how what is not a boundary. i don't say anything to anyone. I just expect it to be a certain way because I don't know how to use my voice.
Effective Communication in Boundaries
00:17:24
Valerie Vazquez
And then during my call, people are walking in and making noises. And then I get up and I go yell at them and tell them, well, I'm doing something right now and you're being loud and you're being disruptive to me and you can't do this because...
00:17:38
Valerie Vazquez
See, that's that's not a boundary. They didn't know any different that I had something going on. So that is just an example of being able to pre-plan and speak your needs and know that your needs are okay.
00:17:57
Valerie Vazquez
And that is so much more well-received than not setting the boundary ahead of time. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that example you gave is really awesome.
00:18:10
Valerie Vazquez
you Setting boundaries in a non-reaction way is going to do so much for your life. Like when you have your Zoom calls or your classes...
00:18:25
Valerie Vazquez
and you lovingly tell us, hey, from 10 p.m., I'm sorry, from 10 to 2, please no noise. and i will really appreciate it, and I'll be very grateful for that.
00:18:38
Valerie Vazquez
And for me and Chad, there's no reaction towards it because it's a loving boundary. There's no way we can react to that. So it helps so much when you can be
00:18:52
Valerie Vazquez
in your body, or even if you are a little in survival mode, but still being able to lovingly give these boundaries, there is no room for reaction or anger.
00:19:08
Valerie Vazquez
I didn't always do it very well though. I had to learn, you know, cause I I've definitely, It's not like tomorrow every you'll be 100%.
00:19:19
Valerie Vazquez
No, I had to learn and I definitely reacted many times before and then I had to learn that that doesn't really work. But also there is um there is this element if you have never been comfortable with using your voice that almost It takes you to almost get angry in order to use your voice.
Owning Reactions in Healing
00:19:48
Valerie Vazquez
And that's the only way that you can do it. So when you're setting a boundary, you you get kind of frustrated before you can even do it. And while that's not the best thing to do, that is also your opportunity, like if that happens afterwards, to own it.
00:20:10
Valerie Vazquez
Yep. to your partner or to whoever else. And part of this journey is owning your own
00:20:22
Valerie Vazquez
reactions. yeah it is it's witnessing you and being aware of you is what changes everything we keep saying reactions but it's i mean seriously it's when anybody in your close circle work family friends anybody how they talk to you and then how you react to things Try not to react instantly.
Calm Communication in Relationships
00:20:51
Valerie Vazquez
Witness what is going on in you. See how you feel. And kind of think about what you're going to say from your heart when you...
00:21:04
Valerie Vazquez
might be in a conflict or, I mean, i know everybody in relationships have their hard times, maybe fighting verbally and disagreements.
00:21:17
Valerie Vazquez
And when you can come into your heart and you can witness what they're saying, being aware of how you are going to respond, a lot of things are going to be a lot more clear and less reaction Cause I know my grandmother, Maumau, she's on her healing journey right now.
Asking for Help Lovingly
00:21:41
Valerie Vazquez
And it's really awesome to see. And she is opening up her throat chakra and she is setting these boundaries lovingly, asking for help with things, not reacting in the ways of the past of how everyone is have everyone has learned or gone through.
00:22:04
Valerie Vazquez
being able to ask for help and chores or calling the doctor or calling anybody and just asking for help with your partner in a loving way saying, I can't do this today.
00:22:21
Valerie Vazquez
Do you mind doing this, please? I'd be very grateful and appreciative. instead of doing everything or not wanting to ask and then starting to resent that person because you didn't ask for help or kind of like that. I mean.
00:22:42
Valerie Vazquez
yeah I get it. And I know exactly what you're saying. So a lot of times I'm just going to bring in kind of like the the dynamics of masculine, feminine, and how a lot of us women, because we we had to, to protect ourselves, we took on more of the masculine energy role of just taking care of things and getting shit done. yeah And part of the process of healing is starting to balance those dynamics
00:23:25
Valerie Vazquez
Because in a relationship, there's always going to be a polarity. And if you are, as a woman, acting out in the masculine, then your masculine partner is going to be in their feminine energy more. And if you you want to have control over the situation...
00:23:49
Valerie Vazquez
what you're doing during healing is you're wanting to lessen that. Like you're wanting to be like, okay, like I can't hold all of this up anymore by myself or I choose.
00:24:01
Valerie Vazquez
Choosing. I'm choosing. It's not that I can't, it's I'm choosing to. And so yes, It is time for you to step up and help with these items so that we can have more of a balance in our home.
00:24:16
Valerie Vazquez
And so that, and so I, I believe that, In this process, if you're able to like have a conversation with the other person, they it might go over their heads, all of the intricacies of what a spiritual healing journey is.
00:24:33
Valerie Vazquez
But if you can just set them down and look at them and say, i am making some changes in my life, they are probably
Balancing Energies in Relationships
00:24:43
Valerie Vazquez
going to be confusing to you because they're kind of confusing to me too.
00:24:51
Valerie Vazquez
But i am I'm ready to have help with certain things that I've never asked for help with before. And I'm ready to start changing some ways so that I too can rest.
00:25:06
Valerie Vazquez
Rest. Take care of my body and my needs and and just have a ah different way of showing up. Yeah.
00:25:18
Valerie Vazquez
I know it's scary when you sit someone down and be like, we need to have a talk because that will automatically put a lot of people into a freeze or fawn state, a survival state.
00:25:32
Valerie Vazquez
If you're able to i I keep saying this, but if you can lovingly ask them just to have a loving conversation about things and not say we need to have a talk, things are going to we need to start making changes right now.
00:25:48
Valerie Vazquez
That might do more worse than, or do more bad than good. It's the way that you are able to communicate your feelings with people is the, is going to make the outcome of things a whole lot different than doing the, we need to have a talk.
00:26:06
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah, I agree. i also believe that in a lot of the dynamics that are very present in my life right now, because of these ways that we as women may have been more in our masculine than our feminine.
Impact of Past Relationships
00:26:23
Valerie Vazquez
I know no one ever wants to hear this, but you bring, yes, your unresolved issues into your
00:26:33
Valerie Vazquez
relationships the unresolved issues that you had with your parents so a lot of times romantic partnerships can resemble the the wounded part of the mother and the son the wounded parts of if you come in like you said logan and we need to have a talk they might yeah fawn or freeze because they're like oh gosh i'm about to get in trouble from my mom yeah it's that inner child yeah i mean like we just discussed having a loving community starting the conversation in a different way than a
00:27:15
Valerie Vazquez
way that a mom or a mother or a father would talk to you is going to have a way better outcome thing. I mean, even like saying, could we please go on a walk and then just kind of bring something up like, Hey,
00:27:31
Valerie Vazquez
um I need you to start taking care of da-da-da. It's having a toll on me and it's making me kind of resent you. so just being calm in these conversations with your spouse, partner is going to have a greater effect than blasting them with this needs to happen now. This has to change. You're doing this and it's hurting me.
00:28:02
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah, no. and And I'm going to kind of soften it a little bit more. And um instead of saying, like, I need you to do blank, blank and blank. It's can you please help me with these things?
00:28:19
Valerie Vazquez
can we please start sharing the load a little more balanced? It's an always an invitation yeah to the other person. Giving an invitation instead of a command is going to be a lot more well received, you know?
00:28:41
Valerie Vazquez
I mean, we can all relate of, when someone talks to you calm way about calm way about
Invitations vs. Demands in Relationships
00:28:54
Valerie Vazquez
difference different things, but when you're in these easy, or not easy conversations, but in these calm and loving conversations, you gain a lot more.
00:29:05
Valerie Vazquez
And those people, instead of being in that survival state, they're able to receive the information and they're able to really think about it and be like, hey, maybe I do need to do this.
00:29:19
Valerie Vazquez
And I do love this person a lot. So I will make this change and I will take this, these responsibilities a little more seriously.
00:29:31
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah, because we we don't want to make demands on other people because that's like a really harsh energy to demand someone else to do something.
00:29:42
Valerie Vazquez
But asking gently and, you know, as a woman who really was more in my masculine energy for the majority of my life, which I will never shame another woman for that because, like, there's a reason why and you know, we've, we're all starting to really realize it doesn't serve us in, you know, being in harmony with ourselves, the other, the others around us. So being able to learn how to soften for me was ah really, really long process and an arduous, arduous process of
00:30:27
Valerie Vazquez
just continuing to face myself and like continuing to like really drop more and more into my own body with movement and sound and understanding that it takes time to really get to that place of knowing that there's a balance within. So this process andt isn't to just soften you into a feminine where you're always soft, because to be honest, that's that's not that's not what we want to do.
00:31:06
Valerie Vazquez
But we want to soften in the ways that we communicate with everyone and everything in this world. And we want to understand that we as women...
00:31:20
Valerie Vazquez
our our men, they really are a lot more simple. that I mean, it's just like, they, they just, they want that loving, nurturing, motherly love, but also with a sense of
00:31:45
Valerie Vazquez
accountability on their part to show up as men and not boys to a mother. And these conversations are going to be a must, especially if you're in a relationship, a long-term relationship.
00:32:02
Valerie Vazquez
When you go through years of a relationship, you learn so much about the other person and you learn their behaviors and their patterns and everything. being able to be in a loving communicating relationship is one of the greatest things you can have.
00:32:20
Valerie Vazquez
And it'll be hard in
Influence of Surrounding People
00:32:22
Valerie Vazquez
the beginning. A lot of people have never had a loving person to have a communications with, with the boundaries and everyday life conversations.
00:32:39
Valerie Vazquez
A lot of people go to work and everyone is super negative around them and come home and they're negative. The people that you're around really shape you.
00:32:53
Valerie Vazquez
And just like you said, women,
00:32:57
Valerie Vazquez
being softening with communication does so much for a man because we don't want to have to feel like we aren't being acknowledged for things we don't want to feel like we have to be in survival mode when our woman talks to us and vice versa the women like we talked last podcast the last episode
00:33:23
Valerie Vazquez
the men have to be a safe place and soft hearted for their women in their life. And when you can have that, it's such a beautiful thing. A lot of people,
00:33:37
Valerie Vazquez
half have to, have to, have to start looking within and clearing out these traumas and just being able to stay regulated, staying and a loving vibration with these hard conversations with anybody.
00:33:58
Valerie Vazquez
especially in relationships, because these are people you love more than anyone and you don't want to hurt them. You want to be able to have fun conversations and have these fun memories and fun experiences with them because you love them a lot.
00:34:15
Valerie Vazquez
But it's really hard when you love someone really hard to have conversations about change, conversations about inner healing,
00:34:29
Valerie Vazquez
all sorts of stuff. It's really, again, how you react towards
00:34:37
Valerie Vazquez
and the choices you make in these relationships that are going to mold this relationship or these future relationships.
Respecting Individual Healing Paths
00:34:49
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah, and to be honest, just because you have decided to heal does not mean that other person is going to make the same decision.
00:35:02
Valerie Vazquez
So there will come a time where you have to Breathe in and one and, and really say, if this person chooses to stay the way they are, am I going to be able to stay with them and love them no matter what?
00:35:20
Valerie Vazquez
If they never decide to do breath work, if they never decide to look at anything, can I stay with them? And if the answer is, you don't know, then just keep, keep taking care of yourself.
00:35:34
Valerie Vazquez
But, Not every soul came here to awaken. That's just the truth. No. And you can't force anyone else to do anything. You just cannot force it.
00:35:46
Valerie Vazquez
Trust me, I've tried and it doesn't work. You can just, you doing the work on yourself
00:35:56
Valerie Vazquez
can inspire others to want to do the same thing for themselves. But forcing be b The no bueno. It will not work and it could probably make things so much worse or even the whole thing of like needing other people to go on this journey.
00:36:18
Valerie Vazquez
it is ah form of codependency. Yeah. Anytime you need others to heal or you need them to do what you do to try to save their soul. We're not here to save other people's souls by force.
Commitment to Personal Healing
00:36:36
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:37
Valerie Vazquez
When you are on the journey and you ask your family and your husband, wife to do the simple breathing with you and they say no, make sure you do the breathing no matter what.
00:36:55
Valerie Vazquez
Don't let anybody deter you from your journey. I've in the past wanted to breathe with people and they didn't want to. And that just made me feel like I didn't want to do it.
00:37:07
Valerie Vazquez
So make sure you show up for yourself. You ask politely, lovingly to do these things with your family, whoever.
00:37:20
Valerie Vazquez
And if they don't do it, you have to do it. This is the only way. Boom. Like, honestly, that to me was like the most beautiful nugget right there.
00:37:32
Valerie Vazquez
Even if someone else doesn't do it, do it anyway. So yeah, thank you, Logan, for being on again, another episode.
Conclusion and Gratitude
00:37:41
Valerie Vazquez
I hope you all gleaned some information remember,
00:37:45
Valerie Vazquez
remember no matter what your age is, like everyone is your teacher and everyone is your student. So, so please like, just because someone might be young, please listen to them. Cause we can all learn from one another.
00:38:03
Valerie Vazquez
and if you haven't subscribed to the podcast, please do so. Thank you for the five-star ratings and we will probably see you again. Cause I'm enjoying these conversations, Logan.
00:38:17
Valerie Vazquez
Yeah, of course. It's fun. it's It's awesome being able to maybe give some wisdom to some people that are a little bit older than me or younger than me.
00:38:32
Valerie Vazquez
like Just like you said, everyone's a student. Everyone's a teacher to everyone. You can learn so much from anybody so yes thank you again for having me on and absolutely and um until next time aloha