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13. Spiritual Paths: Our Evolving Relationship with Religion
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In this episode, we explore our personal journeys through religion and spirituality, sharing the challenges we faced growing up in religious systems and the trauma that shaped our perspectives. From the eyes of a mother who has undergone a spiritual awakening and healing, to a daughter redefining what faith means to her, we dive into how our beliefs have transformed over time. We also uncover the hidden truths within these systems and reflect on how we’ve learned to navigate and grow beyond the confines of traditional teachings.
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Introduction to Episode 13: Spiritual Paths
00:00:00
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Alright everybody, welcome back to Spiraling Together. This is episode 13, Spiritual Paths, our evolving relationship with religion.
00:00:15
Speaker
Aloha, friends. Welcome to Spiraling Together, a mother-daughter healing journey.
Creating a Healing Space for Mothers and Daughters
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I'm the daughter, Chloe, and I'm the mother, Valerie. Our mission is to create a safe, nurturing space where mothers and daughters can begin a journey of healing and empowerment together. Through heartfelt conversations, shared experiences, and our personal insights, we aim to foster deeper connections, strengthen bonds, and inspire growth.
00:00:43
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Before we dive into today's conversation, we want to take a moment to express our heartfelt thanks to all of you who are tuning in. Your willingness to expand and grow with us inspires us each day, and we are honored to have you as part of our community. If you haven't already, please check out our links below and follow us on your favorite platforms so you never miss an episode. Let's get ready to unravel the spiral. Together.
00:01:11
Speaker
Before we get into the thick of it, we are first going to kind of play catch up with y'all and each other a little. yeah so
Valerie's European Travels and Personal Experiences
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Yes. things first, you're finally back from Paris in wall france and France in general. Yes. Different areas. How was that?
00:01:32
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Are we going to dive right into that? Yes. Because I feel like it was like, wait it's been a while. And the last time that we had an episode, we talked about how we were going to make episodes apart. And then how true how we were also possibly, I was going to, we were going to do one while I was in France. i um But as you can see, we're together. Again. Yeah. Because after being gone for a few weeks and you being in San Diego,
00:02:01
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ah Chad and Logan, so my husband and Chloe's brother, they just went to Austin, Texas to the Awaken event and Danny Morrell's Awaken event. And I was going to be out here at the farm alone for a week and I definitely have been able to, I could handle it, right? Yeah. But I was like, would you like to come out and And also just so that we could catch up and see each other. So yeah.
00:02:29
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Yeah, just kind of worked out perfectly. Yeah. And so it's been really great. It's always great when you come out and I really appreciate the help because I also was a bit sick after my, I i was honestly kind of sick almost that my entire trip. I've been dealing with some sinus infection stuff. So if I sound a little nasally, that's why. Yeah, but I definitely needed to come out here too. You did. Yeah.
00:02:59
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San Diego is very very different and being on the farm is a lot easier to slow down and stay grounded and everything. Yeah and there's lots of cute animals too and beautiful flowers and it yeah it is I'm really grateful for this place and I'm grateful for the time that it has given me to be able to learn to slow down and and to realize what really is important in this life. And and I believe that we're going to hit on that in the episode today. And so, yeah.
Pilgrimage and Meeting Family in Europe
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You asked me about France, so i it was great, and it was also hard. you know Being away for three weeks, and i I not only traveled to France, but I also went to Belgium and the Netherlands. And the main reason I did go to France was to go on a pilgrimage. um for Mary Magdalene. and so But it it evolved into a lot more than just that, the pilgrimage. you know I was able to spend time in Paris alone and have some fun there. And then um after the pilgrimage, I met up with my mom, your grandma, and we went
00:04:31
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to um Amsterdam and we went to Brussels and we spent about a week together going and seeing things. So yeah, it was really, I mean, it's hard to sum up like three weeks. That's a long time for traveling. Yeah, I slept in 10 different beds. That's crazy. yeah And like I said, i I did have a sinus infection. yeah the The wind was an extremely crazy in the south of France. And um i've I'm sensitive in my note nasal passages. And so working through that. But you know, um It was really a heart-opening experience. I didn't know what to expect when I went on this pilgrimage. i you know A pilgrimage is showing your love to showing your love and devotion to someone or that has
Exploring Mary Magdalene's Significance
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opened your eyes and, um, impacted you, impacted you in a great way, in a, in a very great way. And, and so Mary Magdalene was, is one of those divine feminine ascended masters basically, you know, that came to me very strongly and, and showed me a way back to my heart.
00:06:03
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yeah well i was gonna say really quickly maybe before you dive more into it yeah um just kind of explain who mary magdalene is maybe okay i definitely didn't even know who that was until you started talking about her so i would say That's one of the ladies that's been pushed down that we don't get taught if you want to. Yeah, absolutely. So growing up and a lot of people were taught because in the Bible, she was labeled as a prostitute and ah she wasn't a prostitute. She was actually a very well educated and ah
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someone who follow ah followed Jesus or Yeshua and who, I like to say, she understood the assignment. She was the apostle of the apostles. So Jesus actually shared things with her that he didn't share with others. And regardless of you know, what you believe now, she, o there's a, as usual, there's always a gnat that comes into this. It's basically a part of the podcast now. Yeah, Hawaii. They just like to be part of it. But so she had a gospel and her gospel was hidden. It was actually buried and it was lost for 2,000 years.
00:07:42
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wow and it hadn't resurfaced until you know the last hundred years and even then getting it published there was a lot that went on like for it to get suppressed even longer um but i believe in 2016 the pope renounced that what the Bible said about her and and claimed her as a saint. wow And so her truth is coming out more and more that she really was somebody that understood Christ's teachings. And, you know, it to me,
00:08:27
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that suppression of the divine feminine for the last like 2,000 years, I feel like is kind of what had to happen for us to now be seeing the truth, and for so many women who are coming into their divine feminine, it's almost like there had to be a suppression and a bit of an anger to now be able to see through the fact that we have been hidden from the
Suppression of Divine Feminine in History
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truth. yeah And that so many people have been fed a false narrative, right you know especially within you know the Bible
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did not have all of the that the Acts or Gospels that were actually written and other followers of Jesus. So it was put together for a reason, for control, and for fear.
00:09:33
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And I believe it was really missing the point of what Jesus was actually teaching. Yeah. So I can agree with that for sure. Yeah. So um I wanted to pay my respects to Mary Magdalene.
00:09:51
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because she really did help me come into my heart space, into my sacred heart and understand that love comes within and that sacred heart space is where God, the divine source resides and emanates out through all of us.
00:10:12
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And so when I went to the pilgrimage and I literally got to this little town, St. Baum, this little village, and you could look up at the mountain and there is a cave, um a grotto, where it said that she went to continue these teachings that she learned.
00:10:35
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and where she continued to heal. It's said that the angels flew her up there seven times a day. And from what I study, what do we have that's seven? chakra Exactly. Seven places where we develop wounds, right? Yeah.
00:10:57
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some paths, call them the demons that we have, you know, they're wounds. yeah um And as I got there, you know, I really didn't know what to expect. I just knew that I was coming. I knew that I was going to hike up there and I knew I was going to hike up to the top of the mountain.
00:11:19
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and um The morning that I woke up the day that we were the basically the first real day of like when we were all meeting together, all the women, I mean, I just, I could feel this presence come through and I just like started crying and I could just feel, you know, this energy within me holding my heart. And it was like, I knew that she was present. I knew that she was like, okay, are you ready for more love? Yeah, that's beautiful.
00:11:52
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Thanks. You're welcome. Yeah. So obviously, there's a lot of books now. um One of my favorite authors, she is ah Megan Watterson. And she's written the the book that my brain is not working right now. I don't know why I'm just talking about this book. um Wow, it's going to come to me during this. but But anyway, she is a feminist theologian and she has written books and she has a an online community called the House of Mary Magdalene. She's got some oracle cards and she's really who helped me see the truth of Mary Magdalene. Nice. Yeah.
00:12:46
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So is there anything else from the trip that you want to talk about? Anything else from the trip? Or the pilgrimage specifically?
00:12:58
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I think I, so I went into a ton of churches, ah a ton of sacred places and And so obviously, I saw a lot of statues of, you know, Jesus. And the thing that kept sticking out to me in every one of these places was that sacred heart.
00:13:27
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And that i wrote i I remember when I was little, and maybe you've heard this before, that so many people said, you have to invite Jesus into your heart. You have to invite Jesus into your heart. And what actually came to me was that our heart spaces, our it's already where the message lies. It's already where the love is. God, source, universe, energies, where all of that is, it's actually already within us. We don't necessarily have to invite anything from the outside in. We already have it within us, right? Got to awaken it, ah bring it out. Exactly. and And so I think that that's where
00:14:20
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when we were talking about this episode is that so much of like religions teach that God is outside of us and that we are less than.
00:14:35
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when really the teachings are that the kingdom is within
Healing from Religious Trauma
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us. yeah It's within our sacred heart. And the last thing I'm going to say is that, you know, I grew up very much with a lot of religious trauma and for the longest time I couldn't even say God. I didn't even want to like have anything to do, I'll be honest, with Christianity or Catholicism.
00:15:07
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and But it was like every single time that I had something to do with like one of these divine feminine leaders, um Mary Magdalene or Mother Mary or Our Lady of Guadalupe or even like seeing ah like Jesus on a candle with a sacred heart. I would feel my own heart chakra just spinning open and open. And I was like, would you stop? This is not really what I want to go into. Can't I like study like Buddha or Hindu or you know any of these other like paths. I don't want to like
00:15:47
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And I felt that so deeply, but then now it's like, oh wait, it's because I i didn't understand the truth. yeah Yeah, I was gonna bring up the like, our backgrounds in religion, like prior to maybe a decade ago or so. um Like I guess how, well, personally how I grew up,
00:16:13
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I started going to church, and a lot of it was because of my dad's side of the family, I guess I would say. um But still, actually, I don't know, did you go to church when you were a little kid? A little bit, but not like... not no um If I did, it was it was Catholic Church and it was with my grandma or when I went to go visit my aunt and uncle. yeah um My parents didn't really take me much to church or anything like that. So it wasn't, yeah.
00:16:54
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Yeah. I mean, I would say, I don't think that I have like an insane amount of religious trauma, but I do know a lot of people that do. And growing up like Christian in Texas, it's a really like intense thing, I think. And
00:17:20
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I am glad that we are not as involved in the church um as some of the people that I know or that had been or had been forced into it and stuff like that.
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but
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It's funny because I've had like this religious conversation with a lot of people my age recently and like how growing up religious you know it kind of it does that thing you're saying like it controls you and it's super fear-based and it limits you a lot and shames and shame like you're born you're born into this world that you have to fight To be.
Judgment in Religious Communities
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You're basically you're born a center is what they're said and and there's all these things that you're supposed to like do and you have to ask for forgiveness.
00:18:23
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constantly and there's like a superiority type situation, a lot of judgment. That's that's what really got me when I was young. when i judgment When I would go to church, it would just be like, okay,
00:18:40
Speaker
on Sundays people go to church and they act all like you know church going like high and mighty and then as soon as they leave for the rest of the week before Sunday rolls around again it to me it just it didn't the way they acted didn't coincide with the way that they were in church or the things that were being said in church. Aloha listeners. We hope you're enjoying this episode of Spiraling Together. We're just taking a quick break to remind you about a few things. If you're loving what you hear, we ask you to please follow, like, and subscribe to our podcast. Your support helps us reach more people who might benefit from our conversations.
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00:20:10
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now let's get back to the show when i was little i just so was like huh this doesn't really make any sense like that's what i saw you know and and same here yeah it's just a confusing thing and i feel like it teaches you To put on those masks, also when you're super young, like, oh, when you go to this place, you need to act like this.
Religious Teachings and Mass Control
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Oh, when we see these people, we need to act like this. And it's just like, what? It's just like, there's a lot of, um okay, so when,
00:20:53
Speaker
When religions were created, they were created by man. They were taken from these teachers that were at an extreme high vibration. They were the pure essence of love and energy. If we really look back, their teachings were so pure, but then man, who there's no way that they are at that type of a high vibration and frequency and love, they create these religions based on teachings, but they also twist them and turn them so that they can have control over people and instill fear. And when those types of vibrations, frequencies, ah themes of consciousness are pushed onto people,
00:21:48
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they're not actually ever truly feeling what like Christ was teaching, like what Christ consciousness is. And so, yeah, I can see you want to say something. It makes me think of mass production. Like, okay, when things start being mass produced, what happens? Quality goes down, cutting corners. Yeah, that's what happens with these teachings. If you're If you're, well, I don't want to say something crazy, but why not? I mean, when you start looking, it's like even when you're on social media and you start reading stuff, it's like everyone can skew a version of something. And if you're not getting it from the source, it's probably like been jumbled up or turned into something else. Exactly. Like.
00:22:49
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Yeah. Yeah. That's what happened to religion, I feel like. Yeah. and And it was literally like if you look back to the time when Jesus was alive, it was like during the Roman Empire. I was going to bring that up. And what was the Roman Empire trying to do?
00:23:12
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control people. yeah you know They were overtaxing them and they were trying to control them. And when Jesus was doing his teachings and showing his miracles, he was bringing so much attention to him. And religion at that time, it was a rule. you know it was It was a set of rules and there were only certain men that were allowed to like teach these you know, teachings. And whenever Jesus started showing these miracles and bringing all this attention to Him, they wanted to stop that. And so that's exactly what they did.
00:23:54
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And then they were able to twist it and turn it and turn it into a way to further control people with the government part of it, the taxing, and then the religion part of it. So how do you control the masses? You have to bring their level of consciousness down. You have to make them be in a state of fear so that they are good, yeah you know,
00:24:24
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And then I, it also makes me like want to bring a little light to what happened to Hawaii.
Cultural Suppression and Religious Imposition
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I mean, if you think.
00:24:36
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We're just the 50th state. No, it was taken. yeah And they imprisoned the queen and they forced the religion onto these people. yeah And it was overthrown. yeah And they've never gotten recognition for it. And I'll also say like, it's not in any history books. Like in Texas, when I was in school,
00:25:04
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no they don't They're just like, oh, Hawaii was the 50th state. Yeah, and this is such a good thing that you're bringing up about how things are erased. e um This is where like, to me, the divine feminine comes in because there have been so many temples and so many arts and so many things that showed that we used to be a matriarchy.
00:25:30
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not the patriarchy, right that we used to have these feminine teachers and um feminine rulers. And when I say like ruler, it was it was a very peaceful place on earth. It was much more peaceful. right But it was like with this dawning of religion, they like they basically tried to hide like that there is a mother. You've always heard the father and son. But what about the mother? Yeah. How has anyone even birthed without a mother? That is the wildest thing, I think. Yeah. So this divine feminine energy or power,
00:26:21
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And when I talk about power, if you look at Dr. David Hawkins, he talks about power and then force. When you come from a place of power, that's actually a good thing. You you know, you're you're powerful. When you're forcing things, that actually comes from a lower place because you're forcing something to happen, right? So these,
00:26:47
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these things that have happened throughout history and I personally like to say her story because it's not all about men. um This divine feminine energy that we have within us is truly what helps us heal, is coming back and slowing down and coming out of that like masculine energy that has been forcing its way and trying to like conquer the world instead of coming back into that heart space.
00:27:20
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which it's impossible to truly heal oneself when we can't come back into our heart space. But that's the way our world is operating right now, from this father-son masculine mentality and these these um these wars and stuff through history. I mean, this is not... If we look at the state of the world right now, it looks pretty bleak, right?
00:27:53
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But I actually believe that all of these things that are happening are waking people up to see how much we truly do need to come back into our hearts and really go back and look at the truth.
Questioning Blind Faith
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Don't just have this blind faith that, you know,
00:28:16
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what you've heard of and what, you know, have you were born into is truth because truth is wiped out for a reason. Yeah.
00:28:29
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Sucks. Well, yeah. it and It is what it is. as in Like, yeah, we're, A lot is hidden from us. yes And it is very easy to stay blind to it all. yeah And just live in a box. Because once you create that routine,
00:28:58
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Nobody likes change. Right. And it's also like if the majority of the people that you grow up, like you're living in a small town and, and everybody goes to church. I mean, what you were talking about in Texas is I wanted to get baptized before we moved here. Yeah. Then, which is not a bad thing. No, it's not. Again, I also, yeah, I did want to preface. Oh, we are in no way.
00:29:27
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Judging if you are a part of a certain religion or whatever you follow or believe in. Oh, yeah That's fully your choice. And yeah, these are just our experiences what we've come to know yeah and also like I truly believe that no matter which path you take, inevitably you can find the God within source universe, what however you know you resonate. um But I don't believe there's any superior religion. I totally agree. Yeah, I don't believe that, yeah you know.
00:30:02
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um And so like, yeah, growing up or growing up in Texas and being in Texas, I remember the number one question that everyone would ask the first time you met them. What church do you go to? And I would always be like.
00:30:20
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Blah, blah, blah. I don't always go, but I did go for a time. yeah But I also so saw through some things there that I didn't personally feel comfortable with. um And not all churchgoers are bad. it's it's yeah This isn't what we're saying. But it's like when you feel something inside of you that is just doesn't feel right, but it's like,
00:30:49
Speaker
everyone else does it. And so it's almost like, it's just the norm. Like I said, if, you know, you grow up in a small town or you grow up in a town and everybody is, goes to church, then, and you don't go. It's like, you are super judged and super shamed and oh, you're going to go to hell. Yeah.
00:31:11
Speaker
there's a There's a lot of things. I actually just realized like something that I was thinking about as well like with church and religion um is how you dress yourself as a woman.
00:31:26
Speaker
And when you go to church, like you have to you know like wear nice clothes. you know like it's ah It's an outing kind of and like wearing nice clothes, but making sure you're like covered and not showing anything crazy. Maybe not every religion is like that, but I remember that's what we were told. and You know, people I know. And I remember one time in Texas and I was visiting um some of our family and I just kept getting comments about how short my shorts were.
00:32:05
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oh And I was like, ah okay. And um there was this girl there. um And she was a little bit younger than me. And she was like, my mom would never let me wear those shorts. And I was like, okay. I don't know what to say to that.
00:32:27
Speaker
But it's just sad because it's along with like our last episode starts instilling that I can't wear what I want or I know I'm going to get judged for wearing certain things and people are going to think something about me just because I wear short shorts. Yeah. like Well, that comes into the the shame of, you know, being a sexual being or that.
00:32:58
Speaker
or so your sexuality. yeah like that and that that's That's another whole thing with a divine feminine, you know, it's like, um or, you know what, this religious trauma over sexual the sexual shame trauma is so huge for both men and women. It's so huge.
00:33:21
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I mean, it's probably one of the the biggest things that are are affecting people is their sexual shame. yeah Because they, you know, have learned that it's wrong. And, but okay, it's, I mean, I'm just gonna throw this out here, but The woman, your clitoris, has 8,000 nerve endings on it. There is no other organ in the female or male body that is simply made for pleasure. And that's true all I'm gonna say about that.
00:34:04
Speaker
Mic drop. So, yeah. If, I mean, and and we're just going to go here for a second. What is something that the majority of people say when they have an orgasm? Fuck. No, wait. Sorry. Oh my God.
00:34:34
Speaker
go there, but that's funny. Oh, they say, oh my god. Yeah, there you go. Oh, I love you, Chloe. um Yeah, so why ah would we say, oh my god, if if we weren't connected to that energy during that act you know when we're with our Love it. It's okay. Sorry. I'm going to, I'll bleep that. No, we're keeping that in. Oh, yeah. This will be an explicit episode. but That's okay. It happens. it You know what? It's fine. I, we're explicit sometimes when, and that's another thing, you know, you're not using certain words is not bad.
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00:36:43
Speaker
That's another thing. Oh my gosh, that's a silly story that I have. Okay, let's hear it. I don't know if it could be any sillier than what just happened. No, you know about this because I've talked to you about this. oh we We've talked about this multiple times oh when I was a kid. Oh, is this the Alana story? Yes. Okay. And oh,
00:37:07
Speaker
When we would go to school, we would ride our bikes to school and then we would ride back. Yeah. Sometimes on the ride back, we would like chill at the mailboxes because that was the thing. And I was with my friend Alana and then my brother Logan was there and probably some other people. And Logan thought I said a cuss word.
00:37:31
Speaker
And I was like, no, I didn't. like I thought that was that would be the end of the world to say a cuss word. Because that is another thing like we were taught not to do. It might not just be because of religion. I feel like just being a kid, you're yeah usually taught not to say that. Right.
00:37:54
Speaker
um And then we go home and Logan tattletales on me that I said a cuss word and I started freaking out because I did not say a cuss word. And you didn't believe me. I'm sorry. And I started having a meltdown. And then you called my friend's mom.
00:38:18
Speaker
to ask if my friend heard me say the cuss word and she was like, no. And And dude, that was like the end of my life right there. I know. I was very unconscious at that time and I definitely was like, you know, just, and I was trying. No, I know. I know. And see that's, that's the thing that word fear, it's like,
00:38:49
Speaker
Fear and love are like complete opposites, but so many times, like with religion, um you are taught that that fear is love. Like people will be so scared for you that they are scared that if you don't believe this certain belief exactly, that you're going to go to hell and they are coming from a loving place, but they're not really coming from The pure love that you know the belief is that we're all on our own sacred journeys and we can all come back to love and so I I was just gonna say we didn't talk about that yet like the heaven and hell Oh man, you were we are on cuz that was exactly where I wanted to go. Perfect. Yeah good pivot. Okay, I
00:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, I have had weird to experience with the idea of heaven and hell. Yeah. And I've had loved ones tell me that they want me to return to like a Christianity type faith so that they can see me in heaven after we pass away.
00:40:14
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Oh, and I was just really confused because
00:40:28
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In the religion that I grew up in, the belief of like heaven and hell is like, oh, if you're a good person, heaven. If you're a horrible person who doesn't believe in God and, you know, et cetera, you're going to live the rest of whatever in hell. But when I started to leave that faith and those ideals, I just started to have a lot of issues with this idea of heaven and hell because to me, this is not talking about everyone who believes in heaven and hell, but if you are
00:41:18
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You know, maybe not the most perfect person and some things that you do are morally considered bad. But if you ask for forgiveness and you keep doing those things.
Heaven, Hell, and Personal Beliefs
00:41:35
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How would you be granted a heaven? You know, like if you consciously know that you do things that probably aren't great, but you pray for forgiveness, it just to me is really concerning almost. Yeah.
00:41:59
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I get what you're saying. it does it's like It's a really weird like concept. i mean And think about it. Think about like the control in that. If you are a really good person and you do all of these acts of service and you all of these things, then you're going to go to heaven. If you're really good during this lifetime, but if you're bad, you're going to go to hell. It's like it's like we and the truth of it is is that We create our own heaven or hell while we're here on earth. We are the creators. And if we create from a place where Jesus was teaching us from our sacred heart, then we can create that heaven while we're here. If we create from this lower fear and judgment and anger and all of these lower places,
00:42:58
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then we're living in our own hell. And that is the truth of it. There's not a separate heaven or hell. And I'm sorry whoever said that to you because that is really confusing. You know, like super confusing. It's okay.
00:43:16
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I mean, but still, like, I could see how that impacted you, like, what? yeah You know? And why can't we have a ah beautiful relationship while we're here right now? And why can't you just support that I'm on my own path and love me where I'm at?
00:43:36
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instead of waiting until we're both gone. Wow. That's crazy. That'll make you, that'll make me cry. That's really, it's really good. But, um,
00:43:52
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yeah, the, what you were saying earlier about making the heaven and hell like you make it while you're here on earth that just resonates so much more with me and makes so much more sense because realistically and I think the other thing that religion confused me about was, but what actually does happen when we pass away? Yeah. Like, no one actually knows. And everyone has a different belief in like the afterlife, heaven, hell, reincarnation. It's
00:44:40
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I don't know what I believe.
Spiritual Exploration Beyond Religion
00:44:42
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Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, you're still searching. Exactly. And that's okay. You know, I i personally believe that our souls choose to come to Earth.
00:44:56
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because it's a school and it's one of the hardest schools, but it teaches us the most lessons and so our souls have many lifetimes and go many places and I You know, I've gone into my Akashic records, which are the records of your soul. And I've been to Earth a lot of times. yeah And um it's it's just a place where we can learn these lessons. And we also choose certain things in our lives that are going to help us evolve. And I know that can be really hard to hear.
00:45:44
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But I think that once you heal through certain things and you can come back to that place of love in your heart and you can experience heaven while you're here, then the beliefs start, you know, feeling more real that, yeah.
00:46:03
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I am really grateful for all the hard shit I've been through because without that I wouldn't have learned what I learned and I would not be where I am right now. I wouldn't have awakened like I did. And I wouldn't have felt what it feels like to feel that Energy that comes and pours out of your heart into this like this torus field that comes out of your heart chakra that emanates out you know, so We're here to be cracked open. We're not here to suffer. Yeah
00:46:44
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That's a choice. We are not going to be free from pain. That was never, never said. We're going to experience pain and we get to choose whether or not we suffer. And unfortunately, a lot of times religions keep us in that suffering.
00:47:04
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suffer through the pain or grow through the pain. It's your choice. It's true. It doesn't mean it's easy. no you know and it's i I feel like so this is such an important topic because so many people have been turned off by religion and they've left the church.
Moral Code and Religious Upbringing
00:47:31
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but then they're just kind of like dangling, like, I don't believe in like that there's anything out there. Yeah. So this, I know I, I like brought this up with you before, but, um, this is something that came up like with conversations with my friends, like this sense of when you're a kid and you start growing up in religion, it kind of creates this,
00:48:01
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moral code for you in a way. And it's a certain way of life that you've been living. But once you wake up and realize like, oh, I don't actually know if I like this anymore. I was just kind of born into it. Yeah. But then when they leave, it's like,
00:48:26
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Well, I don't know anything else. And then you kind of just feel like stuck in this limbo of, I don't know what to believe anymore. And everything is, you know, messed up and the world is, you know, it it kind of, you can go down this rabbit hole of like everything I was told is a lie. Yeah. That can be very scary. It is. Yeah. But.
00:48:56
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Then I like, this is kind of like, ah we don't have to go into this, but I also still struggle with this idea of like, when you do have a kid, do you raise them into religion or something specific for them to believe in so they have that safety? Or do you not?
00:49:25
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And I don't, I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I haven't met anyone who hasn't been born into something, I guess. So that is just like interesting to me. I guess it's just going to be like where you are on your path. That's true. You know, I, I do believe it is important to have something to believe in, right but like,
00:49:56
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Yeah. You just, you know, it's like, again, it comes down to like so many parents. They are in fear that if they don't teach their child something like from a religion, then their, their child is going to go to hell. Like that has been the majority of what we've, no moral compass kind of. Yeah.
00:50:19
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So, yeah, yeah you know you get to be an ex in in an exploration. And and i and i I did that when um i had my when I joined Sacred Path Healing.
00:50:37
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They, what they taught in that school, you know, there were teachings from the Bible, like Christ. There was also teachings from Buddha and Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism and Sufism and all of these different paths, you know, um And then I also explored a lot with the divine feminine paths, you know like Kuan Yin and Green Tara, and of course Mary Magdalene, Mother Mary, and even further back to like the Egyptian times with Hathor's and Isis, the goddess Isis. So like there's so many different paths, and I think that it's just important for you to explore and see what resonates and mainly it's again coming back to that space of love.
00:51:34
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That's the most important thing. what What can bring you back into your heart space and in your body and like you can actually feel that you're being loved and feel that safety, that energy that's there and that takes you out of that fear that holds you in a warm embrace and is like, you know, come come back to love. So you get to explore.
00:52:04
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Yeah. Sorry, that was kind of just a tangent. I don't know, just something have been pondering. Oh, no, that's okay. I think that's, that's good. And that was actually like a ah question that was asked, you know, during a lot of like my shadow work and like un who I don't know, some people call deconstructing or healing religious trauma. It's like,
00:52:29
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Unraveling the spiral. Unraveling the spiral, which yeah, the spiral path is just all over. But yeah, I i feel like there's no greater time than right now for everyone who may be lost to explore. And if you've been hurt by religion to not give up on God, the divine source, universe, don't, don't give up. Um, because when you can truly feel that energy within you, you, you know, that you're going to be okay, no matter what's going on in the world.
00:53:21
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And I think something that kind of helps me is like when we were kids like praying. Yes. I did enjoy praying. Yes. And so even when we like moved away I would still pray to God. Yeah. Even if it wasn't the God that was you know, taught to me exactly. But I think now I still do like pray every once in a while. But I feel like it's more towards like my angels. Yeah. Because I do believe that we have guardian angels. Absolutely.
00:54:04
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And that helps me. I like doing that. I love that. We do have guardian angels and we actually have a whole spirit team that's around us. We have certain ancestors that have signed up to be with us. We have ascended masters that are around us. We are always being guided and we are always being loved on and protected. It's just being able to slow down enough to see the signs and synchronicities that show us that we are. And
00:54:39
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prayers are something that I also do. um Something when I started praying again, like you said, like I don't pray to the same God that I did when I was younger, but I actually really like to say, mother, father, God.
00:54:56
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mother, father, God, that really helped me a lot, uh, come back to, you know, divine feminine and divine masculine energies are what created us and what run through us.
Balancing Divine Feminine and Masculine
00:55:10
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So it's, it's just, it's not just this man, man sitting up in the clouds, you know, the, the true mother, father, God,
00:55:24
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is love, is not punishing us, is not hurting us, doesn't put us below. Yeah, yeah that's that's not that's not what the energy is. The energy is pure and total love and pure and total joy and bliss. That's what that energy is.
00:55:55
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Yeah. Well, yes. Do we think we are complete? Yes. And again, i I would like to put the book that I referenced, even though I cannot. I don't know why it has slipped my mind.
00:56:16
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but But I would like that to be our book. I have it on Audible and I actually have the the copy of it loaned out to someone right now and I don't know why i it's slipping my mind, but I will reference it. It'll be the book of the week on our socials yeah and yeah I can, once we get it, it'll go in the... i it's anyway descriptions of stuff as well. For anyone who was raised in Christianity and Catholicism that have separated from the church but really want you know really want to come back to their heart space, I feel like that book and in so several others can really help. you know And just again, learning learning the truth of what was hidden, right not being
00:57:11
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Mad about it in the way that, you know, um but to understand that it had to happen the way it had to happen. And that's the message I got from Mary Magdalene, that it had to happen the way it did. And a lot of things that are happening right now have to happen for us to see the truth. So, yeah.
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00:58:30
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