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PGW 38: A COMPLETE UN-NOSFERATU
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The fellas discuss the new Timothee Chalamet vehicle A COMPLETE UNKNOWN as well as Robert Eggers' remake of the 1922 F.W. Murnau film NOSFERATU.
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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hey everybody welcome to paddington gone wild my name's pete seager and i'm here with the boys to uh talk to you about some folk music and some vampires hey what red just said he didn't have an intro what's folk music wait i
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Did y'all ever listen to Bob Dylan had like a Sirius
Discussion on Bob Dylan and Film Themes
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XM show?
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Yeah, dude.
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Some of it's on like Spotify podcast and he would just do he would have a topic and then he would just go through old songs.
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Today we're going to talk about Misty Mountains.
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No, truly.
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My favorite one, he does one all about whiskey.
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And he just goes through old folk songs that are all about whiskey.
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And he's like, this one from 1947 talks about how whiskey makes you a bad man.
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If you agree, hit me up.
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It's just like, holy shit, this is incredible.
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Oh, no, I hate being famous.
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Yeah.
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I got too many women that love me.
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You could be ugly or you could be weird or you could be a freak, but you can't be plain.
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I will say that the movie message of the year, there's been a lot of moral tales this year.
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There's been some good movies that teach you something.
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And I think the most important one is what A Complete Unknown taught us.
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And it's that you can write a song that's so good that a baddie Latino will sleep with you.
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Joan Baez, my friend, is blowing other men.
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Oh, well, folks, if you haven't picked up on it, this week's episode is about A Complete Unknown.
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The newest film from James Mangold starring Monica Barbaro, Timothee Chalamet, Elle Fanning.
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Barbaro gets first billing on this podcast.
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Brother to me, she does.
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The internet's only pro-Joan Baez podcast.
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Ha, ha, ha.
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Amongst a whole bunch of other people Boyd Holbrook playing Johnny Cash A really good Johnny Cash performance from Boyd Holbrook Like surprisingly good So we'll talk about that in the first half And then in the back half we are going to Talk about the new Robert Eggers film Nosferatu
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The Vampyr.
Film Titles and TV Show Recaps
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We'll talk about... The Vampyr.
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And don't worry if you haven't seen Nosferal 1, we'll fill you in.
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That's really good.
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Well done.
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I'm going to put a very close friend of mine on blast.
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Her husband texted me and a couple of friends and said, my wife just genuinely asked.
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They were like at home for Christmas with all their family and they were going to fire up juror number two on HBO.
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You know where I'm going with this.
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And she leaned over to him and goes, do I have do I need to watch juror number one?
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Like, I don't know.
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And it was a moment of which it was like, oh, that's really good.
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The bits write themselves, frankly.
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The bits write themselves.
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They really do.
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And I will say that the 30 Rock bits also write themselves these days.
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There's two new things that I saw on streaming recently that I was like, that's a fucking 30 Rock joke.
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There's a movie on Hulu called The End Our Beginnings Come From.
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That feels like a Rurger bit.
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Yeah, truly.
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And then the other one is that there's a new HBO show called The Pit, which is about a hospital in Pittsburgh.
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Amazing.
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Who's in The Pit?
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Yin's gone down to the hospital.
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Yin's?
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Oh, gosh.
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I can't do a Jack impression, but I imagine him saying, Lennon, it's a show about a hospital in Pittsburgh, and guess what it's called?
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Listener, also just to let you in on some off mic discussion, have all of us began a 30 Rock rewatch?
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I'm about to.
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I start my New Year show.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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But Zach and I are... Oh, go ahead.
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I was just going to say, Zach and I are deep in our 30 Rock rewatch.
Movies and Personal Anecdotes
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Yeah, I got to season two last night.
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At some point... It only gets better.
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We will just keep talking about 30 Rock.
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And honestly, we might have to do like... We might have to do like season recaps or like... Oh, yeah.
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That'd be fun.
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Just throughout the year.
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We should do...
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So another thing I started rewatching a little bit, not as aggressively as 30 Rock, but Saturday Night is a banger of a movie.
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And if you don't think so, I'm sorry.
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You didn't get it.
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Fuck you, Andy.
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I'm glad someone else is on my side.
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It's nice to not feel so alone.
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I still haven't seen it yet.
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I've been watching some old SNL episodes.
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Also, no, you should watch, even if you've seen it before, you should watch Saturday Night...
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I won't even say double feature because it's the same thing.
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You should immediately roll into the first episode.
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Maddie and I did the exact same thing.
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That is the only way to watch it.
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The cast for The Pit is Noah Weil.
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Noah Weil from ER.
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Yeah, from ER slash The Cool Professor from Donnie Darko.
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Yeah.
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Also in A Few Good Men.
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Fiona Durif.
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I don't know.
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She's in British TV.
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I think she's in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, which is a show that only people who like Doctor Who have told me to watch.
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So forgive me if I don't believe you.
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Joe, I think you're also missing a Noah show or movie rather.
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Have you guys seen the librarian movies?
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No, no.
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It's like TNT core through and through.
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I have seen the first two library movies.
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I'm not kidding.
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Probably 10 times each.
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Why?
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Because there was a period where they just were always on TNT.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And like many men of a certain age, if your dad likes movies, TNT is kind of always on.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so you would just come home and hang out and then you turn the TV on.
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And the last thing that was on was TNT.
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And then you're like, well, shit, the librarian's on.
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I guess I'm going to watch that.
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I'm going to read you just the IMDb synopsis description of the first movie.
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A bookworm becomes the librarian.
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Same night, a magical spear gets stolen and he's off to get some real life experience around the globe on his quest for the spear, starting with being thrown off a plane over Amazonas by his cute helper.
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That's the actual IMDB description.
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None of that made any sense.
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Sounds like the back of a young adult novel.
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Is this like for people that read way too much Magic Treehouse growing up?
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Or Percy Jackson or any of those?
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Yeah.
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Essentially.
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A.K.A.
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me.
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I will say, an absolute lord, an absolute king, one of our favorites, Kyle MacLachlan, is in the first film, The Librarian, Quest for the Spear.
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Maybe I'll have to check it out.
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Quest for the Spear is a porn title.
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Yes.
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It just is.
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Isn't that also that book about that missionary that got...
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No, that's Tip of the... Oh, okay.
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End of the Spear.
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The girl, the first girl I ever dated, her favorite movie of all time was Tip of the Spear, End of the Spear, whatever that's called, which is about some missionaries who go to proselytize in South America.
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Yeah, dude, it's Jim Elliot.
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This is the Paddington Gone Wild, the only Jim Elliot slash phallic joke podcast.
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Again, the internet's only faith-based podcast.
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Yeah, once again.
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So true.
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I just want to...
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movie was the Jim Elliot movie and she was like you like movies you should watch it and then we broke up and then like three years later it hit Netflix and I watched it and I was like
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I think, Joe, you talked about this especially.
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There are movies where there should be a really compelling story there.
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And Zach and I have also talked about this.
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But the movie is so dog-ass that you hate the story.
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Yeah.
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Where I was like, there is genuinely a very compelling and interesting story to be told about Jim Elliot.
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And to be reckoned with proselytizing to people.
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i'm going to use very christianese language unreached people groups yeah um there's like a compelling story to be made and there's a compelling like argument to be talked about like what actually like what are you doing here what are the implications of going to these places and there's nothing wrong with movies about christianity terence malick has proved that time and time again yeah it's true uh my terry big terry
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But they got to be good.
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Are they making a movie about that kid that went to Sentinel Island?
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Yeah, he's from ORU.
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Oh, really?
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That makes so much sense.
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A lot of people that I was... I was still heavily involved with a church that was very connected to ORU at the time that
Faith-Based Themes and Storytelling
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he died.
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But that was when I was secretly liberal.
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and I didn't tell anyone and when that happened I had to keep myself from being like yeah I mean he fucked around and found out everybody told him not to go there that's like that's like them throwing chum in the water and then me going I'm going for a swim anybody want to join everyone's going no no no there's sharks in the water they're hungry they'll eat you and then I get in anyway and everyone's like those fucking sharks
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This reminds me, this is a perfect segue of something I wanted to say when we came on.
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So I went to church with my family this morning.
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And honestly, typically, this is like a pretty good church.
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The lead pastor, he's a good speaker and he's not too in your face.
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But sometimes he hasn't, I don't think he's gone to seminary.
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And he has like a degree in sports physiology or something.
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So sometimes, sometimes he doesn't have all of the like intellect to fill in the gaps.
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And I'm not saying that shit on him.
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It's just like, just to give you a glimpse of like who this guy is like,
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Very well-intended guy.
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Very passionate.
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Anyway, today's message was about commitment to your faith.
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And he puts up the phrase on the board, burn the ships.
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And me and my dad immediately make eye contact like, oh, no, don't do it.
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Don't do it.
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And then he proceeds to use Hernan Cortes as a sermon illustration.
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No!
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And like we're in San Antonio 80% of the congregation is like of Mesoamerican descendants.
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Of course.
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That doesn't go over well.
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You could just you could feel all of the oxygen sucked out of the room.
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Like everyone was like at least a little bit uncomfortable and like
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The object lesson he was trying to make, perfectly fine.
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Like, nothing wrong with the point you're trying to make, but just clearly did not know he might as well have been using Hitler as a sermon.
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You know, one of the things that the Bible teaches us is to be very organized.
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And there was a German fella who... Yeah, exactly.
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Dude, speaking of... He helped us with the highways and all sorts of goodness.
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A lot of medical... Do you guys like VW Bugs?
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I have one man to thank for that.
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And his name rhymes with Bedolf Schmittler.
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Bedolf Schmittler.
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I love making Hitler's name Jewish.
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Oh my God.
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All right, Austin, speaking of faith-based movies.
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Sorry, I've literally been trying to talk for like five minutes.
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It's okay.
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It happens.
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I know the podcast.
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No, speaking of faith-based movies, I really want to write a script.
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There's a true story about my family.
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My great-uncle James, my grandmother's brother-in-law,
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Was it like a big oil guy like made a ton of money over the years like we work for a bunch of yeah work for a bunch of different companies and he was working in Singapore at a time when being Christian in Singapore was illegal.
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And my aunt got into Bible smuggling into Singapore, my great aunt Cheryl.
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And I've always thought that was such a cool idea.
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Like you're in this like rich ass mansion in like a really nice neighborhood.
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You have all this land.
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And then your wife is like going out into like the slums and working on smuggling Bibles into Singapore.
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um sounds badass pretty interesting that's cool yeah i've always had those a cool idea and i'll probably never ever do anything with it but it's in the back of my head so you know the concept is there before we get started on uh complete unknown i have to fill everybody in on a blunder i just made uh
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I was looking at the cast of The Pit still, and one of the people in it was in 1917.
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And so I went and looked.
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I was like, oh, which person was in 1917?
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And it just clicked for me that George Mackey and Harris Dickinson are different people.
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They're very similar.
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They're very similar.
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I can't blame you there.
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Those are two.
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They're cut right from the same cloth.
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George McKay is much smaller.
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I think he's kind of short, right?
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Oh, maybe Paul AF.
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Dickinson is a gangly motherfucker.
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Well, so is McKay.
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He's got a slim thing.
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I first saw him in Captain Fantastic, the Viggo Mortensen movie.
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Oh, yeah.
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But does George McKay... Is it McKay?
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I think it's Mackay.
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Does George Mackay have a montage sequence of him dancing slash fucking Nicole Kidman to Father Figure?
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It's the only good scene in that movie, IMO.
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I like that scene.
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That scene was ruined for me because I just kept hearing Ron Funches singing Father Figure from New Girl.
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So every time it was like, let me be your father figure, I just kept imagining Ron Funches in a diaper singing it.
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Oh, I love Ron Funches.
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Ron Funches the fucking goat.
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How do we get Ron on this pod?
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I don't think it would be that hard.
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We just got to be persistent.
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I don't know, man.
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He's got trolls money now.
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You're so right.
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My guy's working with trolls money.
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Funny employments of songs.
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I'm not going to say this song yet, but did any of y'all see this girl have an adverse, awful reaction to a certain song being played in her Uber?
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No, I missed this.
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This is like kind of viral on Twitter right
Music Biopics and Performances
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now.
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But this girl posted like, oh, my God, I just got out of an Uber ride.
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And the most like sinister song came on.
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Like its vibe just had me creeped out.
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Like I couldn't get out of the Uber fast enough.
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Like what a creepy song.
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Like, OK, she's like, I need to find it so I can post it.
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And then like a couple hours later, she quote tweets her tweet.
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She's like, I found the song.
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And it's Uptown Girl by Billy Joel.
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And so now everyone's like, 2025, where Uptown Girl is causing people to... Uptown Girl is toxic, misogynist.
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We're canceling...
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Oh, you're telling me Gen Z's trying to cancel Billy Joel.
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Opening to Piano Man starts playing.
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Well, there's some really awesome Uptown Girl discourse going on now.
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That's so good.
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I love that we have Uptown Girl discourse.
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Yeah, in 2025.
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Do you know who else we have a lot of discourse about in 2025?
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Oh, yeah.
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BD.
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Bob Dylan.
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Bobby Zimmerman.
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I want you guys to know that if Johnny Cash ever, like as I was going on stage, said, play it loud, BD, I would have had to gum on with a pillow in front of my fucking dick because you could see my boner through my pants.
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Perfect.
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Yep.
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So a complete unknown, the newest film from a biopic, like biographical drama extraordinaire, James Mangold, who has somehow he's done himself from director jail.
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I truly cannot believe that he managed to after releasing Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny a film that lost I think like 300 million dollars he somehow is like yeah fuck it I'll go to Searchlight and we'll make a Bob Dylan movie and I will have not learned anything from any of the critiques of Walk the Line and we're going to make a Bob Dylan flick and it's going to be awesome
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And it's making money.
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It had the highest opening weekend of any Searchlight film ever.
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Oh, I'm telling you, movie stars are back.
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That's Timmy Chalamet, box office.
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Timmy Chalamet getting on game day.
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Going on Nardwar.
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He's the best Nardwar guest in a long time for me.
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He's fantastic on Nardwar.
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It's unbelievable.
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His free association is so funny.
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The Chief Keef episode is really good.
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I haven't seen it yet.
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But A Complete Unknown is...
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is the title obviously is based on a lyric of like a rolling stone.
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This movie is based on the book Dylan going electric.
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It focuses specifically on the time period between 1961 and 1965, Bob leaving Minnesota, coming to New York, meeting Pete Seeger and getting connected with music scene there and Joan Baez and everything that is included in that.
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And it is, uh,
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It's it's something.
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And so we should also maybe say at the top of this discussion, Austin has not seen either of the movies we're talking.
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I have not.
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No, I've not had time.
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I've not been to the movies in this new year or much around Christmas.
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I was traveling and then I injured myself, which is why I'm recording this podcast in bed.
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So, no, I have not.
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I'm here to, you know, just listen and spend time with my my loving boys.
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and heal my heart if it can't heal my back.
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So that's what I'm here to ask questions and make little snide comments.
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And also have Bellatro open on my phone.
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Don't worry, folks.
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Bellatro episode coming in 2025.
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Q1 2025, we will have a Bellatro draft.
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She saw it with me.
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Speaking of Indiana Jones, people are saying great things about this new indie video game.
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I've heard good things about the video game.
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I see the ads every fucking 35 seconds.
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So it better be fucking good.
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Maddie's here to give her unfiltered, unbiased... We're going to go general opinions first, but we're going to hear from producer Maddie first.
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Producer Maddie, Bob Dylan, movie go.
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I really liked it.
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I'm trying to remember.
00:19:10
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What did you like about it?
00:19:11
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Did you like Timmy?
00:19:13
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Yeah, I think his performance was really good.
00:19:15
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I didn't think it was going to be good.
00:19:17
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And his singing was good, too.
00:19:18
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Mm-hmm.
00:19:19
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I really like this singing.
00:19:20
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Yeah.
00:19:21
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I did have a dream last night that Joan Baez's house, the one that he visited, was in Tulsa and that we drove past it.
00:19:31
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That was my dream.
00:19:32
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That's a cool dream.
00:19:33
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I like that.
00:19:34
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This place is called The Wind.
00:19:36
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I named it my dream.
00:19:37
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Whoa.
00:19:38
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Oh, that's sick.
00:19:39
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Really cool.
00:19:40
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It's like,
00:19:42
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while it's really stuck with me so so can I ask a question Joe and you can yeah I'll read this to Maddie so you guys are are both Oklahomans and Oklahoma in the long tail of American history and especially American folk music I mean thinking about like Woody Guthrie plays an important part of this movie that's bold music baby
00:20:02
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What do you got three?
00:20:03
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You know, born in Okima, buried in Okima, the Bob Dylan Museum is in Tulsa.
00:20:08
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So like, Matty, do you have a relationship to Bob Dylan's music or did you before...
00:20:13
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seeing this or hitching your wagon to Joe, who I know has a relationship to Bob Dylan.
00:20:19
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Red's question is basically before seeing the movie, did we did you have any sort of relationship with the music of Bob Dylan slash because you mentioned the Bob Dylan Museum, the Woody Guthrie stuff.
00:20:34
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So speak on that.
00:20:35
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So Joe and I's first date that was chaperoned by his mom, it was on St.
00:20:41
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Patrick's Day and we went to this festival and we didn't want the date to end.
00:20:45
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So his mom took us to the Woody Guthrie Museum.
00:20:48
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So for our first date, Joe and I went to the Woody Guthrie Museum and I didn't know that Woody Guthrie was going to be a main character in this movie.
00:20:56
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And so, I mean, I think living in Tulsa and Oklahoma in general, we all just kind of like know about Woody Guthrie.
00:21:02
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It's like one of those famous historical figures that we learn about in school.
00:21:06
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Yeah, but nobody ever mentions his socialist ties.
00:21:10
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Yeah, not an Okie, they don't.
00:21:14
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And so I was surprised.
00:21:17
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I liked his little cameos, Woody Guthrie's cameos.
00:21:21
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And then also I did know quite a bit about Bob Dylan going in because also his archives are here and the museum is here or the center or whatever is here.
00:21:32
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And we've been.
00:21:33
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So I knew quite a bit about Bob Dylan.
00:21:36
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We have some friends who were upset about the historical accuracy of the movie, which I didn't care about.
00:21:48
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It was like, I liked the movie.
00:21:49
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I don't care if it was accurate or not.
00:21:52
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I kind of thought Maddie was going to come away with it with a sort of like a new reason not to like Bob Dylan because it's basically about how he cheated on two women at the same time.
00:22:03
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But he's like just a piece of shit.
00:22:05
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Yeah, he's an asshole.
00:22:06
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What musician isn't?
00:22:09
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What are you going to do?
00:22:12
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Also, I really like Seeger.
00:22:14
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Seeger, I don't care if he was a villain in the movie.
00:22:18
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He kind of reminds me of Mr. Rogers.
00:22:21
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I don't think he was a villain in the movie.
00:22:23
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Yeah, I don't think he was a villain either.
00:22:25
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I think that he was a force pushing back against Dylan's change, but I don't think he was a villain.
00:22:33
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I think the dude who ran that fucking folk music archive was a piece of shit, though.
00:22:37
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I have one last thing that I'll say about this movie.
00:22:39
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I think...
00:22:43
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I just don't think the folk... Are we doing spoilers?
00:22:47
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Yeah, sure.
00:22:48
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I just don't think that the folk festival people... They just shouldn't have had him.
00:22:55
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They just shouldn't have had him to the festival at the very end.
00:22:59
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I think that Pete Seeger says, oh, I could hear in your last album that you've kind of been moving in a different direction.
00:23:09
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I don't think that...
00:23:13
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Dylan's like change was as like quick as everybody makes it out to be.
00:23:20
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I think that he, you could tell that he was changing through his different albums.
00:23:25
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And so if you can tell that his style is changing and is going away from folk, don't have them to a folk festival.
00:23:31
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If he is going to not sing whatever that one song is with Joan Baez on tour, don't have them to your festival.
00:23:38
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You know that that's how he's behaving.
00:23:40
Speaker
So you're just kind of setting yourself up for failure.
00:23:44
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Yeah.
00:23:45
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I mean, but Pete Seeger and his beautiful Asian wife had to have him at the festival.
00:23:51
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Also, she's from Germany.
00:23:52
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She is from Germany.
00:23:53
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We looked it up.
00:23:55
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She's an Asian immigrant to Germany who then became a German immigrant to America.
00:23:59
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Wow.
00:24:00
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Sick.
00:24:00
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Toshi?
00:24:01
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Yeah.
00:24:02
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Interesting.
00:24:03
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And she's a film producer for like folk music documentaries.
00:24:06
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That was her like job.
00:24:07
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Oh yeah.
00:24:08
Speaker
It's incredible.
00:24:09
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I do love doing spoiler alerts for biopics.
00:24:11
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Yeah.
00:24:12
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Also for truly like, and this is a point that fantasy brought up on, uh, the big picture is like, this is the most documented era.
00:24:22
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Yeah.
00:24:24
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of Dylan's life.
00:24:25
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It's the most documented era of American music, frankly, at least in terms of like the amount of interviews that are given the amount of historians who are obsessed with these eras, the amount of times we've seen it depicted in film.
00:24:39
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And despite all of that, still coming away from it being like, I didn't need to learn anything new about Bob Dylan.
00:24:47
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Yeah, no, I just kind of liked watching the little moments of it.
00:24:50
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That was my, I think my biggest thing that I loved about the movie.
00:24:53
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Like this is one of my favorites of the year.
00:24:54
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It's, I don't think it breached top five, but it's definitely like near the top for me.
00:24:58
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It's in my top 10.
00:24:59
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I really loved it.
00:25:01
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But the thing that I loved is the same thing I loved about Little Women.
00:25:04
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where it's like this huge, big, encompassing story about the life of these people.
00:25:11
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But instead of trying to tell a complete story, it's focusing on moments that are important to the characters, like meeting Woody Guthrie, like...
00:25:23
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Like playing Masters of War when the missile crisis was happening.
00:25:29
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Like all that kind of stuff that like kind of the punctuation marks on a person's life instead of the sentences.
00:25:37
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Mm hmm.
00:25:38
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Yeah, I agree.
00:25:39
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I don't think I have it quite as high as you, but I went into this movie with very tempered expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
00:25:47
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I was like, this was fun.
00:25:48
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I really enjoyed this.
00:25:50
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And people, I've talked to several people that it just, they completely bounced off of it.
00:25:55
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And I was trying to ask, what did you not like about it so much?
00:25:59
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Because in my mind, a biopic is already an impossible task because you have to fulfill three things, in my opinion.
00:26:06
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You have to speak to decades of work most of the time within a two-hour window.
00:26:14
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You have to give background of who this person is and you have to demonstrate legacy of why you should care about them.
00:26:20
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And like you can't really do all three of those things.
00:26:23
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And I couldn't really get a solid answer of like what was what didn't work so much about it.
00:26:29
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Besides just an idea of like I didn't get much background on these people.
00:26:34
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And I didn't love that answer because I'm like, well, you're kind of going into this supposed to have some background.
00:26:40
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Yeah.
00:26:40
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Do you need more background than the culture has?
00:26:43
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Yeah.
00:26:45
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So that to me... That seems silly.
00:26:47
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All that saying, like, I don't...
00:26:50
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I want to understand why this movie didn't work for people, but it was like the most palatable biopic I've ever seen.
00:26:56
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Yeah.
00:26:57
Speaker
It only dragged like a little bit.
00:27:00
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And that is like high praise for a biopic.
00:27:03
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Dude, it's a pretty long movie and I felt comfortable.
00:27:06
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It's a 20.
00:27:06
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Breezy the whole time.
00:27:07
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Yeah.
00:27:08
Speaker
I never felt like it was really... There was a couple moments where I was like, what's going to happen next?
00:27:12
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And then it'll cut to them playing another song.
00:27:14
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, give me the whole three minutes of this.
00:27:17
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I don't need it to cut.
00:27:18
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I just don't quite know, I guess, all that to say, I don't quite know what people wanted from it.
00:27:24
Speaker
People don't know what they fucking want.
00:27:27
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I also think that there's a degree that if you're a Dylan fan...
00:27:35
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Perhaps you, like if you're a Dylan fan, maybe you actually don't want this period because it's the period that is the most discussed out of any Dylan fan and it's the most like, you can see every bit of it.
00:27:46
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So like maybe if you're a Dylan fan, you're like, actually I want to know about that weird 80s fallow period or I want to know what it's like to be writing something like Blood on the Tracks or whatever it may be.
00:27:56
Speaker
But I think for like,
00:27:58
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and I, normal people, I'm not gonna call them normies, but for like a standard moviegoer, is it's like, if you come in
00:28:08
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with a base level of knowledge about Bob Dylan, I truly don't know what you're expecting to get out of it other than to be like, oh, dude, yeah, I like a Rolling Stone.
00:28:18
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Yeah, Timmy's saying some good songs, man.
00:28:22
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Yeah.
00:28:22
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I mean, he really did.
00:28:23
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Genuinely, I was surprised every time he sang, and I was like, you know what?
00:28:26
Speaker
I actually think he might be better at singing than Bob Dylan.
00:28:29
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Well, Bob also ruined his voice.
00:28:30
Speaker
Bob Dylan's not known for having a good voice.
00:28:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:33
Speaker
He definitely played harmonica better than Bob Dylan.
00:28:40
Speaker
I think that's a good spot to then go into what do we think about the performances.
00:28:45
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I think especially we'll call it the core four.
00:28:48
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Obviously, Timmy is...
00:28:51
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you know, a supernova in this film, but then talking about Elf Anning and Monica Barbaro.
00:28:56
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And I think the next most important movie person in the movie, at least in terms of screen time would be Edward Norton is Pete Seeger.
00:29:04
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Yeah.
00:29:04
Speaker
So what do we, what do we find about the performances?
00:29:07
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What do we think?
00:29:07
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How did we feel?
00:29:08
Speaker
First of all, was Barbaro?
00:29:10
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How does it feel?
00:29:10
Speaker
Was she singing?
00:29:11
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Really?
00:29:13
Speaker
I don't know.
00:29:13
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She did.
00:29:14
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Because she was incredible if it was her.
00:29:16
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Okay, I didn't know if she was dubbed or not.
00:29:18
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If that was her, which it sounds like it was, that's incredible shit.
00:29:22
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I saw an interview with her where she said she had never played guitar or sang before she got the part.
00:29:29
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And all of it she recorded.
00:29:32
Speaker
Dude, she has a monumental folk voice.
00:29:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:35
Speaker
I mean, she could seriously transition if she wanted to.
00:29:39
Speaker
She should sign a deal.
00:29:40
Speaker
Do like a little Nora Jones holiday song.
00:29:43
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker
Why not?
00:29:44
Speaker
Get your bag.
00:29:45
Speaker
Red, I really liked what you said off mic about how
00:29:49
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Norton was the most sort of biopic-y performance out of everybody.
00:29:53
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I think he was great in it, and I think he probably will get nominated and maybe win for supporting because it's such a normal, good performance.
00:30:04
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Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker
Like it doesn't push any boundaries.
00:30:06
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It doesn't change much.
00:30:08
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So that's what I'm saying.
00:30:08
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I think there's a chance for the Academy like voting style to like crystallize into an Edward Norton Oscar win.
00:30:15
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I think whatever that script looked like, he played it to an exact like note of what was scripted.
00:30:21
Speaker
And like, I can see why people might think it was like a little bit stilted or something like that, but it was kind of intentional.
00:30:30
Speaker
But also wasn't Pete Seeger just kind of like that?
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:34
Speaker
I mean, Pete Seeger was like a dude who wanted to write music and sing old folk songs and use what influence he had to try to convince people to support labor unions and to become socialists.
00:30:47
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I do think it was funny that there was so much back and forth between Dylan and Seeger that kind of felt like the Amadeus, like Mozart and Conciliary, like him listening to a song Bob wrote and being like, oh my God, yeah.
00:31:07
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Yeah, I quite liked Norton in this movie.
00:31:10
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I will say I took my mom to go see this movie.
00:31:13
Speaker
And if you have somebody who is 70 plus in your life, take them to go see this movie because they will be delighted the entire time.
00:31:22
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Yeah, my grandma loved it.
00:31:24
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My mom multiple times leaned over to me and said, I remember that happening or I love this song.
00:31:31
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At one point, just quietly didn't even lean over, just said Cuban Missile Crisis.
00:31:36
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That's what she said.
00:31:38
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She was just like, like, it's a... That's awesome.
00:31:41
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My mom was delighted by Ed Norton, but also like, she has no relationship to Elle Fanning or Timmy or, you know, Monica Bavaro or any of that.
00:31:49
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But like, I think you're right, Joe, in that I think he will get nominated.
00:31:54
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Later on, we get to highs and lows.
00:31:56
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I will talk about a movie I saw...
00:31:59
Speaker
over the Christmas break and a performance in that film that I think will probably take home gold.
00:32:04
Speaker
But that would be unsurprising for me if that, if what you're, I know what you're talking about.
00:32:08
Speaker
We'll talk about it later.
00:32:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:09
Speaker
Um, but I, I referenced at the top and we're talking about the Oscars, uh, Timothy Chalamet, uh,
00:32:17
Speaker
like lead actor guaranteed nomination frankly good chance for i think i think we are about to see the new youngest uh best actor winner ever i i think he's such a guy who beating out the guy who currently holds that mantle yes beating up brody jern brody yeah
00:32:37
Speaker
it's it's really funny to think of the oscars being like oh this will be daring we'll have a new youngest guy to be a lead actor and it's like a choice where they get to be daring without breaking any sort of uh like woke boundary like they don't have to they don't have to like instead of it being like let's give it to the trans person the win no they're like okay several box office hits this year yeah yeah
00:33:01
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It's actually really progressive that we're giving it to a really young white guy who's straight.
00:33:07
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A guy whose movies this year grossed over a billion dollars collectively.
00:33:14
Speaker
I think I was looking at Gold Derby Oscar predictions and most people have him either one or two.
00:33:20
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Yeah, I would put him really high.
00:33:22
Speaker
People are saying what?
00:33:24
Speaker
Adrian Brody and Timmy?
00:33:25
Speaker
The problem is that
Biopic Critiques and Audience Reactions
00:33:30
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Initially, I thought Coleman Domingo was going to be kind of the clear front runner, especially after finally getting nominated last year for Rustin.
00:33:41
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I thought that this was going to be his year, but Sing Sing is an impossible movie to see.
00:33:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's bullshit.
00:33:46
Speaker
There's so many movies this year that I just can't see.
00:33:48
Speaker
There's that documentary that everyone's been loving about Palestine that you just can't watch because no one would distribute it.
00:33:55
Speaker
It was a festival smash, but nobody will pick it up to put it out anywhere.
00:34:00
Speaker
I think there's a three-day window in about a week and a half that I can see The Brutalist in San Antonio.
00:34:06
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:34:06
Speaker
But that's crazy.
00:34:07
Speaker
Like, it's like a three-day window.
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah, in like a major market.
00:34:10
Speaker
There's no reason why Nickel Boys and The Brutalist should be behind this, like, massive... Like, I don't... It's not a paywall, but, like... Why are they... Why can't you just release them?
00:34:23
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They're being gatekept.
00:34:25
Speaker
Like, that's what it feels like.
00:34:26
Speaker
They're being, like, kept in these... And, like...
00:34:29
Speaker
A24, like Sing Sing, as an example, like A24 just completely botched that release.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, A24 and Neon have been fucking shitting the bed on.
00:34:37
Speaker
Yeah, which is so weird because I feel like there was two years in a row where they were.
00:34:41
Speaker
Well, yeah, I feel like there was two years in a row where A24 and Neon were like really good about wide distribution of smaller movies.
00:34:48
Speaker
And for whatever reason, they're like, we made, you know, everything everywhere all at once made $200 million.
00:34:52
Speaker
It's fine.
00:34:54
Speaker
I have a theory about A24.
00:34:55
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:55
Speaker
So I was watching a Robert Eggers interview.
00:35:00
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We'll talk more about him in a little bit.
00:35:02
Speaker
But he no longer lives in New York, but he was talking about there was an era where basically him and like eight other
00:35:13
Speaker
A24 directors lived in Tribeca and would just hang out all the time.
00:35:18
Speaker
Sounds cool.
00:35:18
Speaker
That sounds incredible.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yeah, and I feel like that kind of lines up with the sweet spot of A24 having, like, a really healthy momentum, and it doesn't sound like many of those people still live there.
00:35:31
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I'm kind of wondering if, like,
00:35:32
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the gang broke up a little bit.
00:35:34
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Yeah, I don't know.
00:35:35
Speaker
Yeah, fucking Eggers went electric.
00:35:39
Speaker
I think, but to bring it back to a complete unknown and bring it back to Timmy's performance, I truly just felt like he, we talked about his singing, we talked about his guitar playing, he sounds great.
00:35:51
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great and sounds like what you would want out of out of 60s Dylan I will say there's a couple of spots where his speaking voice yeah a little a little cartoonish Bob Dylan impression but like I think and maybe this is a
00:36:10
Speaker
it's hard for me to really be hypercritical of this movie because it feels like every criticism.
00:36:15
Speaker
It's just like, yeah, that's every criticism of every biopic.
00:36:19
Speaker
If you're a fucking dork and you care about historical accuracy, you're going to be like, well, I don't know if that actually happened or I don't know if he actually played the Times They Are Changed for the first time at Newport.
00:36:28
Speaker
Like...
00:36:30
Speaker
If you care about that, sure.
00:36:31
Speaker
If you care about like plot contrivances and like convenient things that happen, it's like don't watch a fucking biopic.
00:36:37
Speaker
Watch a movie.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah, this is the same guy who made Board vs. Ferrari and made Walk the Line, which are both like very conventional biopics.
00:36:47
Speaker
You know, and I would say despite contrivances in Walk the Line, Walk the Line might be a gold standard movie for a music biopic.
00:36:54
Speaker
Probably.
00:36:56
Speaker
This is hard to do.
00:36:59
Speaker
They're usually unconvincing.
00:37:00
Speaker
The goal should just be to have a list with your audience that looks pretty.
00:37:08
Speaker
That should be the goal for a biopic.
00:37:11
Speaker
My favorite music biopic in recent memory was Rocketman.
00:37:15
Speaker
I really love that movie.
00:37:16
Speaker
I like Rocketman.
00:37:18
Speaker
It was because they didn't try to be a music biopic.
00:37:22
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Yeah.
00:37:23
Speaker
Elton John's enough of an academic that there's a lot of stories.
00:37:28
Speaker
Zach, you're kind of popping in and out there.
00:37:33
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Yeah.
00:37:34
Speaker
You're gone completely now.
00:37:39
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For the audience, Zach just made the most like, ah, fuck face.
00:37:42
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Ah, fuck face.
00:37:45
Speaker
Ah, fuck face.
00:37:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's my new name.
00:37:49
Speaker
Am I still gone?
00:37:51
Speaker
No, you're here.
00:37:53
Speaker
Yeah, quit fiddling with your mic stand.
00:37:55
Speaker
That might be.
00:37:56
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I know.
00:37:56
Speaker
I need to.
00:37:57
Speaker
Quit fiddling with your mic stand.
00:37:59
Speaker
You'll go blind.
00:38:02
Speaker
Get you a fidget spinner or something.
00:38:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:04
Speaker
I do have something like that over here.
00:38:06
Speaker
I don't remember what I was saying.
00:38:08
Speaker
Oh, well.
00:38:08
Speaker
Oh, we were just talking about, like, you were mentioning that, like, really your goal in a music biopic, especially, like, this one where you're not trying to explain everything, it's like, we're here for a listening session.
00:38:18
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:38:18
Speaker
Otherwise, it should be, like, a 10-part docuseries on Netflix.
00:38:22
Speaker
Yes.
00:38:23
Speaker
If you really want to know, like, the history and shit.
00:38:26
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Yeah.
00:38:27
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Or a three-hour PowerPoint presentation like Elvis.
00:38:30
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LAUGHTER
00:38:33
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Yeah, but you like Elvis.
00:38:34
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I love Elvis.
00:38:38
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And I really wanted Austin Butler to show up as Elvis in this movie.
00:38:41
Speaker
Oh, that would have been phenomenal.
00:38:43
Speaker
Can I say something maybe controversial about Complete Unknown?
00:38:47
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Yeah.
00:38:48
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Elle Fanning did nothing for me.
00:38:50
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I really liked her.
00:38:51
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I didn't get... Yeah.
00:38:55
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I wasn't moved.
00:38:57
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Yeah.
00:38:57
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Sure.
00:38:57
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Yeah.
00:38:58
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I think she gets to do a lot in the first half.
00:39:01
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She's given a lot of opportunity because that's really like the formation of Bob and Sylvie.
00:39:05
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And I think they're meet cute.
00:39:06
Speaker
A lot of that stuff is good.
00:39:08
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I think it really does.
00:39:09
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Like when it becomes that she just pops in and out of Bob's life.
00:39:13
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I think she's just given less to do from a script perspective.
00:39:16
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But I still really liked the performance.
00:39:18
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I loved that the moment where Bob shows up.
00:39:22
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I like Elvin too.
00:39:23
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I really love the moment where Bob shows up in front of her apartment with a motorcycle.
00:39:27
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Like I thought that's one of my favorite like film moments of the year so far.
00:39:31
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Just like Sylvie.
00:39:34
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Hey Sylvie.
00:39:36
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I'm going to Newport.
00:39:37
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Come with me.
00:39:38
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Can you do the rest of this podcast in your Bob?
00:39:41
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No, I don't think so.
00:39:42
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It hurts my throat.
00:39:47
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It hurt his, too.
00:39:48
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That's why he sounds like that.
00:39:50
Speaker
Your Bob and your Larry David are scarily close.
00:39:53
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Well, your Jerry is still your gold standard.
00:39:58
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Oh, I mean, the best impression of all time.
00:40:03
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They weren't young enough.
00:40:05
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How old was that, Sylvie girl?
00:40:09
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I can't tell.
00:40:09
Speaker
Al Fanning's face is really young.
00:40:12
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She's a-jaggous.
00:40:17
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Adam and I were doing a bit last night about like, like in movies, whenever the main character makes it a point to say like, yeah, and I'm like 18.
00:40:26
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And I'm like, okay, so why did you have to say it like that?
00:40:32
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Yeah.
00:40:34
Speaker
Are you doing that for the preverts?
00:40:36
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Barbaro too old.
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's like... Joan Baez, too old.
00:40:43
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Joan Baez, too old, ladies and gentlemen.
00:40:45
Speaker
She's an old hag.
00:40:48
Speaker
Who's the older guy that passed away not too long ago that was kind of a mainstay on Curb?
00:40:55
Speaker
Jimmy Carter.
00:40:56
Speaker
No.
00:40:57
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Sorry, that's Richard Lewis.
00:41:00
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It's Richard Lewis.
00:41:01
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Older than that.
00:41:02
Speaker
Oh, really?
00:41:03
Speaker
It's not Richard Lewis?
00:41:04
Speaker
That's the guy who died.
00:41:06
Speaker
Yeah, there's been multiple.
00:41:07
Speaker
Who plays Larry's best friend in the show?
00:41:10
Speaker
The other best friend in the show.
00:41:13
Speaker
No, this one actually calls himself Larry's best friend.
00:41:17
Speaker
Fuck.
00:41:19
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It's not Richard Lewis.
00:41:20
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It's not Richard Lewis.
00:41:22
Speaker
Bob Einstein.
00:41:22
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Yeah.
00:41:23
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Bob Einstein.
00:41:24
Speaker
Oh, super Bob.
00:41:26
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Yeah.
00:41:27
Speaker
Super Bob.
00:41:28
Speaker
I was having a massive brain fart.
00:41:30
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I always, every once in a while, I just think of that joke that he tells Jerry Seinfeld on curb.
00:41:36
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That was just unscripted.
00:41:37
Speaker
You know, a joke I'm talking about the woman concerned about the size of her opening.
00:41:43
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
00:41:49
Speaker
I don't know if I should encourage you to go find the Bob Einstein.
00:41:53
Speaker
Just go look.
00:41:53
Speaker
Also, Matt Damon's dad in Ocean's 13, right?
00:42:02
Speaker
Doesn't he show up?
00:42:05
Speaker
I'm almost positive.
00:42:06
Speaker
Also, Albert Brooks' brother.
00:42:08
Speaker
Yes.
00:42:09
Speaker
Albert Brooks and Gilbert Einstein.
00:42:11
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He's their older brother.
00:42:14
Speaker
Man, Albert Brooks.
00:42:14
Speaker
We've got to do an Albert Brooks episode.
00:42:16
Speaker
That guy's a fucking manie, too.
00:42:17
Speaker
I could do a whole lot of season.
00:42:19
Speaker
He is Linus' dad.
00:42:22
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Yeah.
00:42:24
Speaker
Cherry Jones is lying to his mom in 12.
00:42:26
Speaker
And then he shows up.
00:42:27
Speaker
I truly like I watched Drive so early in my career of watching good movies that whenever I finally saw Modern Romance, the Albert Brooks movie, I was like, is that the fucking mob boss from Drive?
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:42:42
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It'll change your life when you start watching his movies.
00:42:45
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Still my favorite Brooks movie.
00:42:47
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anything is i wish there were two of you so i could tell my friend about this person i like so much so much yeah in broadcast news which i still think that is like perhaps the most beautiful romantic and wonderful line he's ever he's the non-pedophiles uh woody allen
00:43:04
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Well, speaking of... Albert Brooks has that short film in the first episode of SNL.
00:43:12
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Yeah.
00:43:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:43:14
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They lower the age of consent in Oregon State to seven.
00:43:18
Speaker
There's a dude on a date with a seven-year-old.
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's really fucking funny.
00:43:24
Speaker
In the same short film, the U.S. does a straight swap with the state of Georgia and Israel.
00:43:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:32
Speaker
They replace Israel.
00:43:34
Speaker
Dude, I was just talking to my brother the other day about, he was asking me like,
00:43:41
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he was making all of his like end of year lists and everything.
00:43:43
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And he was like, what was, was like your favorite movie you watch this year that you've never seen before.
00:43:47
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And I try to keep a letterboxd list of that, but it's hard, but I was looking through and I was like, it's probably still defending your life.
00:43:53
Speaker
The Albert Brooks movie, which is it's, it's that or Moonstruck.
00:43:57
Speaker
Like those two are like life changing movies.
00:44:00
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I just picked up the real life criterion release.
00:44:03
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:44:04
Speaker
And I'm really excited to watch that at some point.
00:44:06
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:44:06
Speaker
I haven't seen that one actually.
00:44:08
Speaker
Let's go baby.
00:44:09
Speaker
I love that.
00:44:11
Speaker
So, complete unknown.
00:44:13
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Should we get back to this?
00:44:14
Speaker
Complete unknown.
00:44:15
Speaker
I don't know.
00:44:17
Speaker
I think it's a... Yeah, I don't know what is there to be said.
00:44:23
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It's good Oscar bait.
00:44:25
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It's good Oscar bait.
00:44:26
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I don't care.
00:44:27
Speaker
It's great.
00:44:27
Speaker
There's Oscar bait that rules, and there's Oscar bait that sucks.
00:44:31
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And I don't mind it if it's good.
00:44:33
Speaker
Listen, there's no genre of art that if it's good, I still won't like it.
00:44:39
Speaker
You know, like if if all of a sudden like fucking Jason Aldean puts out a really good album, I'm still going to like it if it's good.
00:44:48
Speaker
You know, I think that is a fucking pest.
00:44:50
Speaker
But I agree.
00:44:54
Speaker
I agree.
00:44:55
Speaker
I try that in a small town, but it's just like about like public urination.
00:44:59
Speaker
That motherfucker is from outside of Miami, which is even the worst part.
00:45:05
Speaker
I'm going to extend this beyond this period between the self-titled and Highway 61.
00:45:11
Speaker
But like off the dome, like, are there, what are some of your fave Bob Dylan songs?
00:45:16
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What are the songs that like just mean so much to you?
00:45:20
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I'm not going to ask for a ranking or anything like that.
00:45:22
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My, my back pages has always been like the song for me.
00:45:26
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Like,
00:45:29
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He was 23 and he wrote crimson flames, flames tied through my ears, throwing high and mighty traps.
00:45:35
Speaker
It's like, what are you talking about?
00:45:38
Speaker
I also love the hurricane.
00:45:40
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Yeah, I mean, it's a great song.
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah, Hurricane's my number one.
00:45:43
Speaker
This guy loves slurs.
00:45:43
Speaker
Did you see all the people on TikTok and Twitter?
00:45:45
Speaker
They were like, guys, Bob Dylan literally has a song with the N-word in it.
00:45:49
Speaker
It's like, yeah.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah, I mean.
00:45:52
Speaker
It's a fucking banger.
00:45:53
Speaker
Sorry.
00:45:55
Speaker
It sucks that it's in there, but.
00:45:57
Speaker
There's black dudes in the band while he's recording it.
00:46:00
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yeah and his producer like and also like randy newman has that too but he's talking about fucking honkies who say it yeah that's insulting yeah maybe we wouldn't do that now but bob dylan truly did not have bad intentions when he put that in this no i had a shout out uh bob wilson uh bob dylan's producer on the early albums who's from waco oh hell yeah wow tom wilson tom wilson tom sorry tom wilson
00:46:24
Speaker
I don't... So I'll be honest.
00:46:25
Speaker
I don't have too much familiarity with the deep cuts for Dylan.
00:46:29
Speaker
I'm really just like Highway 61 revisited.
00:46:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:35
Speaker
Can I shout out my favorite line?
00:46:37
Speaker
My favorite weird line?
00:46:38
Speaker
On the basement tapes, he has a line...
00:46:43
Speaker
It might be on Million Dollar Bash, but I can't remember exactly what song it's on.
00:46:46
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But he goes, I looked at my watch.
00:46:48
Speaker
I looked at my wrist.
00:46:50
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I punched myself in the face with my fist.
00:46:54
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
It makes me laugh every time.
00:46:56
Speaker
It's so fucking good.
00:46:58
Speaker
It's so good.
00:46:59
Speaker
I think – I don't know.
00:47:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:01
Speaker
Sorry, Joe.
00:47:01
Speaker
Go ahead.
00:47:01
Speaker
I'm talking to you.
00:47:03
Speaker
I think my go-to, like the Dylan song, that's the one for me is Tangled Up in Blue.
00:47:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
Anything on Blood on the Tracks.
00:47:11
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Idiot Wind too, but Tangled Up in Blue is just so beautiful.
00:47:15
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Yeah.
00:47:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:17
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I mean, I could, yeah.
00:47:19
Speaker
I mean, I think Three-Wheeling is probably still the album I listen to the most.
00:47:24
Speaker
So, like, don't think twice it's alright.
00:47:26
Speaker
I also love The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll off of Time's Era Changing.
00:47:32
Speaker
I mean, the early steps are gonna fall.
00:47:34
Speaker
Hard Rain's gonna fall.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah, remember when they fucking ruined that song for the trailer where they added, like, the fucking Hans Zimmer, like, bass drum to It's a Harb.
00:47:46
Speaker
It's a Harb.
00:47:53
Speaker
My pastor last year did a sermon series on Bob Dylan, or maybe this was maybe two years ago now.
00:47:59
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And she had me like sing throughout it.
00:48:03
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And sometimes I would do a Dylan impression and sometimes I would just sing, which is very funny.
00:48:08
Speaker
But a song that I really grew to love because of that sermon series was With God on Your Side.
00:48:15
Speaker
which is an amazing song about, you know, all these people claim that God's with them.
00:48:19
Speaker
Well, like what, what are you claiming God is doing?
00:48:24
Speaker
You know, and, and all, you know, the Germans now have God on their side, you know, it's like now that we, the war is over, we've made, you know, made peace with Germany and now they've got God on their side too.
00:48:34
Speaker
It's like, what does that say about God?
00:48:37
Speaker
I mean, he just, he's so, so important.
00:48:41
Speaker
I love them so much.
00:48:42
Speaker
Also, one of the weirder ones that I really love is Lay Lady Lay.
00:48:45
Speaker
Lay Lady Lay is great.
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, a great song.
00:48:47
Speaker
I mean, Nashville Skyline is just... Nashville Skyline has my favorite Dylan song, which is... It's just Girl from the North Country, but with... With Johnny Cash.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:00
Speaker
Also, I'm a big self-portrait head, but... I love self-portrait.
00:49:04
Speaker
Self-portrait's awesome.
00:49:05
Speaker
I mean, Blonde on Blonde, too.
00:49:06
Speaker
I mean, like, Stuck Inside a Mobile is...
00:49:11
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fucking an amazing song.
00:49:13
Speaker
I do need to, I want to do a deeper dive into some of the other stuff that's not as popular because I always end up gravitating to the same folk areas whenever I do listen to folk.
00:49:22
Speaker
Zach, I think you might dig Infidels, which is like early 80s.
00:49:28
Speaker
It's very weird.
00:49:29
Speaker
Like that and like Street Legal, those two are both pretty sick.
00:49:32
Speaker
What's the one with Joker Man on it?
00:49:36
Speaker
I don't know.
00:49:37
Speaker
Manning Fireworks.
00:49:41
Speaker
Joker man is the, is the first song off infidels.
00:49:44
Speaker
Oh, it's on infidels.
00:49:45
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:45
Speaker
I have, I've only, I don't like, I just like turn that on.
00:49:49
Speaker
I don't know what the socks are called.
00:49:52
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I just like, that's one that I'll just be like driving and turn on or like turn the record on at home.
00:49:57
Speaker
So it's, it's great though.
00:49:58
Speaker
It's, it's great vibes on, and you know, still, still fucking rocking, you know, rough and rowdy ways is a great album, you know?
00:50:07
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It's in my opinion.
00:50:09
Speaker
I think it's quite good.
00:50:10
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Braden Murray, who is 22 years old and decided at the beginning of the year last year that he was going to listen to all 40 plus Dylan studio albums.
00:50:20
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:50:21
Speaker
Including the Christmas album.
00:50:23
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Yeah.
00:50:24
Speaker
He comes Santa Claus here.
00:50:25
Speaker
Come Santa Claus right there.
00:50:27
Speaker
Santa Claus Lane.
00:50:28
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Braden, I'm just going to speak to you directly right now.
00:50:30
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I love you, brother.
00:50:31
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You're a genius.
00:50:32
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I can't believe you did that to yourself.
00:50:34
Speaker
You're young.
00:50:35
Speaker
You should be doing other shit with your life.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:39
Speaker
But you know what?
00:50:39
Speaker
I admire that completionism, though.
00:50:41
Speaker
I mean, we're fucking dorks.
00:50:42
Speaker
We can all admire being like, I'm going to watch all of Tarkovsky's movies.
00:50:46
Speaker
It's like that's a lesser thing.
00:50:48
Speaker
Speaking of Tarkovsky, I did not want to watch Die Hard 5 the other night.
00:50:53
Speaker
But you did.
00:50:55
Speaker
But you did.
00:50:56
Speaker
That was a chore.
00:50:57
Speaker
That was genuine.
00:50:58
Speaker
It's so funny.
00:50:59
Speaker
I did the same thing with...
00:51:01
Speaker
Springsteen probably five years ago and it's what it's what put Springsteen in my like all-time canon one of my favorite artists ever was listening to every studio album yeah it's really funny the position we put ourselves in is like dudes who watch movies where we're like yeah I guess I gotta watch Die Hard 5 and then most people are like no you don't why are you watching if you don't want to watch like you don't fucking get it
00:51:25
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They just don't understand us We're anomalies We're enigmas We're just geniuses I honestly probably wouldn't have watched it if it wasn't a 90 minute movie But that's just like no excuses That's the other thing Yeah wouldn't have happened You guys want to talk about a two and a half hour movie Yeah which one Let's talk about Let's talk about that big creepy fuck That big fuck
00:51:54
Speaker
Here's my here's my spicy Noseferatu take.
Exploration of Nosferatu and Vampire Themes
00:51:58
Speaker
It is wild that people are thirsting after the vampire.
00:52:02
Speaker
There's a lot of there's a lot of women on Twitter who are like, I mean, Orlok, he's kind of hot.
00:52:07
Speaker
He's a balding British pedophile.
00:52:12
Speaker
No, I'm not sorry.
00:52:13
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He's not British.
00:52:14
Speaker
He has British teeth.
00:52:16
Speaker
Damn.
00:52:18
Speaker
A balding British teeth.
00:52:20
Speaker
You heard it here first.
00:52:22
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And everybody's like, yeah, but he's so tall and his voice is so deep.
00:52:25
Speaker
He's like, yeah, he mind fucked a 12 year old.
00:52:28
Speaker
Well, honestly, I love it.
00:52:30
Speaker
You guys been reading from all that is that a lot of these women do not have boyfriends that go down.
00:52:35
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Yeah.
00:52:38
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Yeah.
00:52:39
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Yeah.
00:52:45
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Vampirism is a metaphor for going down on ya lady I gotta say this It is very sexual People kept talking about how this movie was so goddamn horny And it was horny and it was this and it was that This movie is chased I'll tell you what this movie was hornier than though This movie was significantly hornier than Baby Girl That movie fucking sucked
00:53:08
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Yeah, fuck baby girl.
00:53:09
Speaker
Baby girl's absolute trash.
00:53:11
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Maddie and I went and watched that movie because we were like, this will be like a fun kind of sexy night.
00:53:15
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And we both left the theater and we're like, hey, so I feel like I feel like I might be turned off for about a week.
00:53:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:26
Speaker
I truly felt like in the middle, like I need to raise my hand and be like, yeah, what the fuck?
00:53:31
Speaker
Like, what are we doing here?
00:53:33
Speaker
I haven't seen it, but the trailers did not sell me for that movie.
00:53:36
Speaker
It's not good, dawg.
00:53:38
Speaker
It's not good.
00:53:39
Speaker
This is my impression of Harris Dickinson being a dom.
00:53:43
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Maybe get on all fours.
00:53:45
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:50
Speaker
No, truly.
00:53:51
Speaker
That's what it is.
00:53:52
Speaker
And then he's like, oh, I thought that's what we were doing.
00:53:55
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Is that not what we're doing?
00:53:56
Speaker
Is that chill with you?
00:53:59
Speaker
Here's the thing.
00:54:00
Speaker
The movie I'm describing right now as a rom-com about two kinky couple who doesn't know how to be kinky together is actually a very cute idea for a movie.
00:54:09
Speaker
But what this movie is is a compilation of them telling you that's the sexiest thing of all time.
00:54:14
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Yeah, nothing women love more than an indecisive man.
00:54:18
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Yeah.
00:54:19
Speaker
Am I right, ladies?
00:54:21
Speaker
Do you want to... Maybe I'll finger you.
00:54:25
Speaker
Do you want me to... Do you want to suck me off while I'm wearing a wife pleaser?
00:54:30
Speaker
That could be cool.
00:54:32
Speaker
It's so bad.
00:54:32
Speaker
What if I...
00:54:39
Speaker
The fucking disrespect on Antonio Banderas Antonio Banderas is so good in the movie too His performance is really fucking good He's an amazing actor He's absolutely phenomenal And I would love to see the movie where Nicole Kidman and Antonio Banderas are in a Dom sub relationship I would watch the fucking shit The ending of this movie made me so mad The ending was truly awful It's so fucking bad dude And like
00:55:08
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It's like, I don't even want to talk about it because I can't utter how frustrated it made me.
00:55:13
Speaker
But it's like, it's about a woman who is sexually unsatisfied with her husband.
00:55:19
Speaker
And then the last shot of the movie is him making her orgasm for the first time.
00:55:23
Speaker
And it's like, yeah, that could have been two conversations.
00:55:26
Speaker
This is a sequel to Where the Crawdads Sing, right?
00:55:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:34
Speaker
Here's the other thing.
00:55:35
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Do you remember when you finished Bodies, Bodies, Bodies and you got to the ending and you're like, what the fuck was that?
00:55:40
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I didn't see it.
00:55:42
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Imagine that, but Conor O'Malley isn't in the movie.
00:55:45
Speaker
So there's no real relationship.
00:55:47
Speaker
I didn't hate Bodies, Bodies, Bodies.
00:55:49
Speaker
I didn't either.
00:55:50
Speaker
I thought it was the most five out of five movie I've ever seen.
00:55:54
Speaker
Five out of five?
00:55:56
Speaker
No, sorry.
00:55:57
Speaker
Sorry.
00:55:57
Speaker
Sorry.
00:55:58
Speaker
Sorry.
00:55:58
Speaker
I thought it was a perfect masterpiece.
00:56:00
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I guess I'm the fucking villain again.
00:56:02
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I guess everyone hates me.
00:56:04
Speaker
I guess I'm a fucking vampire.
00:56:06
Speaker
Everyone wants to stick a fucking wooden stick to my heart.
00:56:10
Speaker
Bullshit.
00:56:11
Speaker
Sorry.
00:56:12
Speaker
Sorry.
00:56:12
Speaker
Throw garlic at me.
00:56:15
Speaker
I guess I'll go kill myself by looking at the sun.
00:56:20
Speaker
Okay, Stevie Wonder.
00:56:23
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
00:56:25
Speaker
Nosferatu.
00:56:27
Speaker
Baby girl fucking sucks.
00:56:28
Speaker
Talk to me about Nosferatu.
00:56:29
Speaker
I want to hear about it.
00:56:29
Speaker
Even though Zach and Red saw it and then came immediately to my house.
00:56:35
Speaker
So that's where we're at.
00:56:37
Speaker
I didn't get to watch the other two and I'm excited to do so.
00:56:41
Speaker
So I'll give my initial reaction that I thought Nosferatu was pretty good.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah, I like liked a lot of it.
00:56:53
Speaker
There are some things that I was kind of cold on and I thought it was incredibly well shot.
00:56:58
Speaker
And there are some shots in this movie that legitimately made my jaw drop.
00:57:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:02
Speaker
Like, how the fuck did you get that?
00:57:08
Speaker
But yeah, I think all the performances were really fantastic.
00:57:13
Speaker
I think that Lily Rose Depp quickly growing to outshine her father.
00:57:19
Speaker
Not a hard task.
00:57:20
Speaker
Not a hard task, but she's fantastic in this movie.
00:57:24
Speaker
She's awesome.
00:57:26
Speaker
Nicholas Holt, consistently great.
00:57:31
Speaker
When he goes to shoot, he always puts up at least two.
00:57:33
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:57:36
Speaker
And Defoe, just delightful on screen in this movie.
00:57:42
Speaker
But yeah, I think my review is pretty good.
00:57:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:49
Speaker
It wasn't a masterpiece, in my opinion.
00:57:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:57:52
Speaker
I don't think it was a five-star masterpiece for me.
00:57:55
Speaker
I did see the original Murnau one before going to see this, and that influenced how I felt about this movie a lot more than I expected.
00:58:06
Speaker
One thing that I think Eggers Nosferatu does really well is...
00:58:11
Speaker
And this is also why I think it's so weird that people get so excited erotically about this movie is because Edgar's Nosferatu is so much less erotic than the original Nosferatu.
00:58:22
Speaker
Like, his Nosferatu is so... Like, it's in the dialogue.
00:58:27
Speaker
Like, this was a joke in my Letterboxd review, but, like, he literally says, like, I'm nothing but an appetite.
00:58:33
Speaker
Like, I just consume stuff, and that is my entire existence.
00:58:38
Speaker
And, like...
00:58:39
Speaker
That takes a lot of any kind of empathy or vulnerability out of the Nosferas 2 character for me.
00:58:46
Speaker
Whereas in the beginning, or in the first one, he's almost kind of sympathetic.
00:58:51
Speaker
And from what I've heard about the Herzog one, he's almost extremely sympathetic as a character.
00:58:58
Speaker
That's next on my watch.
00:59:00
Speaker
I think I might watch that tonight because it's on Tubi.
00:59:04
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
00:59:07
Speaker
One of the things the first one does that I was really missing from this one is the importance of the part of the plot where Nosferatu becomes their neighbor.
00:59:18
Speaker
Like, that's a huge part of the story.
00:59:20
Speaker
And it is part of the story at the beginning of Eggers Nosferatu.
00:59:23
Speaker
But there's really no moment in the movie where there's any significance to
00:59:28
Speaker
him living across the street for them other than like one shot of the house.
00:59:32
Speaker
And the first one, there's almost like a Michael Myers thing of like, they look out the window and he's just peeking through the window.
00:59:38
Speaker
Like just being a little creepy guy.
00:59:40
Speaker
There's a lot of really good, some of that.
00:59:42
Speaker
There's a lot of really good, like professional, like,
00:59:44
Speaker
movie critic reviews of this movie that i've read where their opinion was that like eggers is almost a dogmatic um like uh pursuit of historical accuracy is maybe the thing that bogs this movie down the most uh and i mean truly how they recreated i i hope it wins production design and costume design oscars like i i'm
01:00:09
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almost kind of think that that might be a lock for this movie.
01:00:12
Speaker
Like, dude, the way it was shot was flawless.
01:00:14
Speaker
I saw something where they, he had custom glass made for his lenses so that like only blues and grays would get through in certain shots.
01:00:22
Speaker
That's awesome.
01:00:23
Speaker
It looks gorgeous.
01:00:24
Speaker
Is it, is it Jaron Blaschke?
01:00:26
Speaker
His guy, his normal cinematographer.
01:00:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:28
Speaker
Jaron Blaschke.
01:00:29
Speaker
He's back.
01:00:30
Speaker
And then using a mashed potatoes for snow.
01:00:33
Speaker
Cause he like refused to do CGI snow.
01:00:37
Speaker
That's some old school movie making shit.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:39
Speaker
I guess I saw it in some old silent film.
01:00:42
Speaker
It's I mean, it's been like instant mashed potatoes has been used a lot.
01:00:45
Speaker
At least it wasn't asbestos.
01:00:50
Speaker
I so I watched this film with Zach.
01:00:53
Speaker
We had a little boys trip to the movies.
01:00:57
Speaker
And I dug it quite a bit the first time.
01:01:00
Speaker
And then on rewatch, because I rewatched it because my buddy Hayden was out of town and was trying to go with us on the first yada, yada, yada.
01:01:08
Speaker
We rewatched it last night.
01:01:10
Speaker
And I have to be honest, I think this is a really, really uneven film.
01:01:17
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
01:01:19
Speaker
I think the back hat, like the final 15 minutes really works.
01:01:25
Speaker
But then basically the moment outside of like being on the Demeter is most of the time once... I'm sorry?
01:01:37
Speaker
Are you talking about like the 20 minutes before the last 15 minutes?
01:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, that like really doesn't work for me.
01:01:44
Speaker
It doesn't work at all.
01:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
01:01:45
Speaker
I think the moment that like Hutter like leaves like Count Orlok's castle...
01:01:54
Speaker
outside of like a couple of moments here and there and a couple of like the possession scenes is it really like just does nothing for me.
01:02:03
Speaker
I agree.
01:02:03
Speaker
I think Rose Depp is like pretty excellent.
01:02:08
Speaker
All the possession scenes were like, I mean that one scene where it feels like she unhooks her jaw.
01:02:14
Speaker
That shit was pretty nice.
01:02:16
Speaker
Where she like lifts up really quickly until like a tabletop is like very jarring.
01:02:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, that stuff is really good.
01:02:25
Speaker
I think Skarsgård is like, great.
01:02:27
Speaker
I like that he's committed fully to like a voice.
01:02:30
Speaker
Like he's already got kind of an odd speaking voice that he could just change his intonations slightly, but like really committing to that.
01:02:37
Speaker
I think the production design is beautiful.
01:02:39
Speaker
I think it shot well.
01:02:41
Speaker
I just like...
01:02:43
Speaker
The first half sets up what I thought was going to be, like, clear number one.
01:02:49
Speaker
To put it in perspective, like, I am... I love Eggers.
01:02:53
Speaker
I think The Lighthouse is one of the best movies to come out in the last decade.
01:02:57
Speaker
Genuinely, like, I'm obsessed with that movie.
01:02:59
Speaker
Try to watch it at minimum once a year.
01:03:02
Speaker
And I just, like... What started as what felt like it should be, like...
01:03:09
Speaker
fully red core like sold in or like bought in rather like i'm gonna be you know five stars on letterboxd rocket to the top of my list and it just like especially on rewatch is like that back half really bogged me down and it just took the wind out of my sails the second half literally gets lost in the plot um
01:03:33
Speaker
But the first half had set.
01:03:34
Speaker
We saw it in a theater that had the electric recliners.
01:03:38
Speaker
And there was one scene in like the first 10 minutes where I literally press the button to like lean forward.
01:03:45
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:46
Speaker
Which moment?
01:03:47
Speaker
That's a good sign.
01:03:49
Speaker
It was it was when they're in the woods on the way to the castle.
01:03:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:53
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:53
Speaker
Everyone's talking about.
01:03:55
Speaker
Mm hmm.
01:03:57
Speaker
Pretty dope.
01:03:59
Speaker
I liked all the castle shit.
01:04:00
Speaker
I wish we could have spent an hour in the castle.
01:04:07
Speaker
Oh, I need to make a note.
01:04:09
Speaker
So I watched the colorized version of the 1922 version.
01:04:12
Speaker
Interesting.
01:04:12
Speaker
Don't watch that.
01:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's bad.
01:04:16
Speaker
Just start the free seven-day keynote trial on Amazon Prime and watch the original.
01:04:21
Speaker
Because the colorized one, it's like, I thought I was having a seizure.
01:04:25
Speaker
Was it like when you're like...
01:04:29
Speaker
I think it's on YouTube.
01:04:30
Speaker
I was just going to say, you can find the original 22 movie on YouTube.
01:04:34
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:35
Speaker
And so I watched that.
01:04:37
Speaker
That is not colorized.
01:04:41
Speaker
The colorized one, I don't know.
01:04:43
Speaker
The palette is a little inconsistent.
01:04:45
Speaker
And so within five frames, there'll be just a flicker.
01:04:50
Speaker
And it just messes with your eyes after a while.
01:04:53
Speaker
Is it like when you watch a 3D movie, but you don't have your glasses?
01:04:57
Speaker
Like an old blue and red 3D movie?
01:04:59
Speaker
Yeah, a lot like that.
01:05:01
Speaker
I found that watching like...
01:05:03
Speaker
I watched all of Buster Keaton's movies this past year, and a lot of times when you watch the colorized versions of his movies, that's what it feels like.
01:05:10
Speaker
Where I'm just like, what the fuck?
01:05:13
Speaker
The shapes are not matching, and the color... It's so strange, and I can't stand it.
01:05:19
Speaker
It's understandable.
01:05:20
Speaker
That's an insane art form that people try to take upon themselves, is colorizing films that are not in color.
01:05:28
Speaker
It's like, what if you didn't do it?
01:05:30
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:30
Speaker
I don't know.
01:05:31
Speaker
You don't need to.
01:05:32
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:32
Speaker
I'll tell you that much.
01:05:33
Speaker
You don't need to.
01:05:34
Speaker
Dummy.
01:05:35
Speaker
I do kind of love, like, are you, so when you say colorized, you're not talking about, like, the yellow shit?
01:05:41
Speaker
No, I'm talking about the full spectrum.
01:05:43
Speaker
Okay, because I was going to say, I kind of love watching, like, when I watch The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, like, I love that it's just, like, full sepia the whole time.
01:05:51
Speaker
Yeah, no, this is trying to match frames with someone painting physically on the... Yeah, it's bad.
01:05:59
Speaker
Not for me, dog.
01:06:00
Speaker
It's a no for me.
01:06:02
Speaker
I had something I was going to say about this movie.
01:06:04
Speaker
Oh, I personally bounced right off of the breathing affectation that Orlok had.
01:06:11
Speaker
I liked the voice, but the Darth Vader... Fuck, not for me, dude.
01:06:17
Speaker
That was annoying.
01:06:19
Speaker
I did love that we got to see him uncut, though.
01:06:23
Speaker
We got to see Hogg.
01:06:25
Speaker
Hey, not much Hogg, but Hogg.
01:06:28
Speaker
Hey, man, hey.
01:06:30
Speaker
It's not about the size of the boat, it's about the motion.
01:06:32
Speaker
He's old, man.
01:06:33
Speaker
I mean...
01:06:35
Speaker
But no, I can't be choosers.
01:06:37
Speaker
This is that castle's fucking cold, man.
01:06:39
Speaker
You know, it's not a good environment to see it.
01:06:42
Speaker
I am not dogging on the movie as much as I am dogging on people's reactions that increased my anticipation of that moment way more than it should have.
01:06:52
Speaker
Or like we talked about the general sexuality of the movie overall.
01:06:55
Speaker
Well, also film Twitter sucks because anytime there's a new movie by like a good director, everyone's like, this is the new best movie of all time.
01:07:02
Speaker
And I'm like, guys,
01:07:05
Speaker
That can't be true every time.
01:07:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:10
Speaker
There is a Victor Wembenyama and you're like, well, maybe he just is the goat and we're just watching it in real time.
01:07:16
Speaker
Maybe he is the child of God.
01:07:18
Speaker
Me when I was watching Ambulance in the theater.
01:07:20
Speaker
There is a deep reading to be had of Nosferatu.
01:07:22
Speaker
You really view it from a super feminist angle, but I wasn't really viewing it through that.
01:07:27
Speaker
Yeah, but it's like feminism from a guy still.
01:07:30
Speaker
It's like the guy going, yeah, so the way that they win is the lady has to fuck the vampire.
01:07:37
Speaker
Well, yeah, it's a fairly nihilistic view of feminism.
01:07:39
Speaker
That's just in the story, though.
01:07:41
Speaker
I know, but...
01:07:45
Speaker
I almost slipped into a Jack Nicholson there.
01:07:47
Speaker
Maybe I should order it.
01:07:48
Speaker
Do you have a Jack?
01:07:50
Speaker
No, that was the first time I've ever gotten close.
01:07:55
Speaker
This TV night.
01:07:59
Speaker
Jack would have been a great Count Orlok.
01:08:01
Speaker
I was just about to say the same thing.
01:08:05
Speaker
Jack and the Departed.
01:08:08
Speaker
You'd have to keep editing out the N-words.
01:08:11
Speaker
That's not in the script.
01:08:13
Speaker
What do you mean?
01:08:16
Speaker
I think you're fine with the Jack.
01:08:18
Speaker
I don't want to be a product of my environment.
01:08:21
Speaker
I want my environment to be a product of me.
01:08:24
Speaker
Bro, I got to tell you, I just when Andy was here, he had like a whole list of movies he wanted to watch, but he became obsessed with my Blu-rays as he should because he's a smart man.
01:08:35
Speaker
And I showed him my departed 4K steelbook that I just got recently.
01:08:39
Speaker
And I had not fired that puppy up yet.
01:08:43
Speaker
I that movie that transfer is a fucking masterpiece to the point to where my Andy was like, I have seen this movie 100 times.
01:08:51
Speaker
I've never seen it like this.
01:08:53
Speaker
He was like, I might have to get into this.
01:08:55
Speaker
Like, he was like, I might have to get into collecting discs.
01:08:57
Speaker
And his girlfriend is right there just, like, punching herself in the head.
01:09:01
Speaker
No, no, no, no.
01:09:03
Speaker
And he's about to spend all our money.
01:09:04
Speaker
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
01:09:06
Speaker
It's the fucking John Bernthal as the Punisher going, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:09:10
Speaker
No, for real.
01:09:11
Speaker
I was going to say it's McConaughey in the bookshelf, just, like, pounding, just like, ow!
01:09:16
Speaker
No!
01:09:17
Speaker
Walter White.
01:09:18
Speaker
No!
01:09:19
Speaker
There's so many good reaction videos.
01:09:24
Speaker
I love all the memes where it's like I'm yelling no, but it's like telling people not to do something.
01:09:31
Speaker
I can't explain the meme right now because I'm fucking blanking.
01:09:35
Speaker
This fucking sucks.
01:09:36
Speaker
That's okay.
01:09:37
Speaker
I'll kill myself.
01:09:40
Speaker
Wait till we finish the recording at least.
01:09:42
Speaker
Jeez.
01:09:42
Speaker
We need you for your highs and lows.
01:09:44
Speaker
The episode of Stavvy's World that Caleb Heron was on, which I've now listened to twice because it's so fantastic.
01:09:49
Speaker
But he's like, he's like, YouTube isn't loving what my dad chose to do to himself.
01:09:55
Speaker
So let's just say he kept threatening to check out.
01:10:02
Speaker
I said this off mic, but I truly think when they finally make the Stavros and Caleb Heeran buddy comedy, it'll save the world.
01:10:10
Speaker
If Stavros is not allowed in the writer's room.
01:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really sad the cult movie sucks.
01:10:17
Speaker
It was really bad.
01:10:18
Speaker
And I love it.
01:10:20
Speaker
I'm a big Stavi fan from way back.
01:10:22
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:10:23
Speaker
And I wanted it to be good.
01:10:25
Speaker
But yeah, I think I think Stavi's place is being on a podcast where he's laughing at his guests.
01:10:33
Speaker
Yep.
01:10:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's when he's the best.
01:10:37
Speaker
To bring it back to Blu-rays for a moment.
01:10:39
Speaker
I have to at sit soon.
01:10:44
Speaker
And because like, let it also be known, I've not had a pet in a long time.
01:10:51
Speaker
And when I was growing up, it was just a very different approach to how we take care of cats.
01:11:00
Speaker
And now it's like...
01:11:03
Speaker
People are like, oh, we feed them twice a day.
01:11:04
Speaker
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:11:05
Speaker
You don't just like have a bowl that's like filled to the top of food and they just eat what they want.
01:11:09
Speaker
Like, no.
01:11:11
Speaker
You're like, wow.
01:11:11
Speaker
What the fuck do you mean to overfeed them?
01:11:13
Speaker
Times they are changing, buddy.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:15
Speaker
I thought Garfield was like the was the goal.
01:11:19
Speaker
I thought that was too much food in his bowl.
01:11:22
Speaker
He'll eat fast.
01:11:24
Speaker
That's like times they are changing.
01:11:25
Speaker
He's like their Beyonce.
01:11:26
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:27
Speaker
Yeah.
Humor, Anecdotes, and Social Reflections
01:11:29
Speaker
that fucking tweet of all the beagles and then the guy comes in wearing the Snoopy costume and it's like, oh my god, that's like their Beyonce.
01:11:39
Speaker
But I'm like, so it's like, oh, you need to do this and it's like, okay, I know I gotta empty the litter box, that's fine.
01:11:46
Speaker
But it's like, feed them twice a day and there's four fucking cats.
01:11:50
Speaker
So, I think it's four fucking cats.
01:11:53
Speaker
Four fucking cats.
01:11:56
Speaker
Not like the musical, which I love.
01:12:00
Speaker
Do you guys think Trump likes cats, the musical?
01:12:02
Speaker
Yeah, New York Cavity guy.
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, he's a New York gay.
01:12:05
Speaker
He's a fabulous rich New York gay.
01:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, there's a story about his favorite movie is Bloodsport with the dialogue cut out, which is so funny.
01:12:21
Speaker
He's talked multiple times about how he loves Sunset Boulevard.
01:12:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:26
Speaker
He's never seen that shit.
01:12:27
Speaker
I think he has.
01:12:29
Speaker
I think he's a, a fact.
01:12:31
Speaker
He's a wild, a Billy Wilder fan.
01:12:33
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:33
Speaker
How can you not be?
01:12:35
Speaker
You're not wrong, but I think when I stay over, I'm just going to bring my, my 4k player and like a stack of like 30 Blu-rays.
01:12:44
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:45
Speaker
Just me and the cats.
01:12:47
Speaker
Yep.
01:12:48
Speaker
I think that's a great idea.
01:12:49
Speaker
That's me at night when I'm watching movies.
01:12:50
Speaker
Yep, absolutely.
01:12:52
Speaker
I love it.
01:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, me and the boys.
01:12:53
Speaker
Penny and Penny am I trying really hard to get in my way while I'm watching a movie.
01:12:58
Speaker
Which one's the piece of shit, Penny?
01:13:00
Speaker
Yeah, she's back there.
01:13:01
Speaker
She's curled up like a little fucking shrimp.
01:13:06
Speaker
I like that you're so angry at this cat that if your other cat, if Kenneth was doing this, you'd be like, oh my god, he's curled up like a little shrimp.
01:13:13
Speaker
He's so cute!
01:13:14
Speaker
Sweet baby!
01:13:15
Speaker
Yeah, she's curled up like a fucking piece of shit shrimp.
01:13:17
Speaker
Yeah, no, Kenny's right here.
01:13:22
Speaker
Hi, Kenny!
01:13:24
Speaker
He's a good boy.
01:13:24
Speaker
I'll scratch his head.
01:13:26
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:27
Speaker
He's a sweet baby.
01:13:28
Speaker
Go back to sleep, little fucker.
01:13:30
Speaker
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing.
01:13:32
Speaker
I call him Kinstar all the time.
01:13:36
Speaker
Yikes.
01:13:39
Speaker
Bad news.
01:13:40
Speaker
I remember when I was going to Baylor, my like best friend in high school, uh, it was like super liberal.
01:13:47
Speaker
Um, and she, she was like, you realize the fucking, uh, president of the university is like, uh, is like a right wing fascist.
01:13:56
Speaker
And I was like,
01:13:58
Speaker
yeah, but I don't have to pay money because the music school gave me so much scholarship.
01:14:03
Speaker
So I'm going to go.
01:14:04
Speaker
It's like, I got bad news for you about most colleges.
01:14:07
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:14:08
Speaker
Sorry.
01:14:09
Speaker
Hate to break.
01:14:09
Speaker
Sorry.
01:14:10
Speaker
I can't get into Sarah Lawrence.
01:14:12
Speaker
It was cheaper for me than UT.
01:14:16
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Yeah, it would have been cheaper for me to UT gave me scholarship money and it still was cheaper to go to Baylor.
01:14:21
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I was like, all right, I'm going to Baylor, I guess.
01:14:23
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Yeah.
01:14:25
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It was cheaper for me to not go to college at all.
01:14:27
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Hell yeah.
01:14:28
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That's the right decision.
01:14:29
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Well, I also still have not started paying back my student loans, which weren't much, you know, but I still have not started.
01:14:36
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So here we are.
01:14:37
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Austin, once again, speaking from a fucking place of privilege.
01:14:40
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Hey, privilege isn't a bad word, Joseph.
01:14:43
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Privilege is not a bad word.
01:14:46
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I live a privileged life and I'm willing to admit it.
01:14:48
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Someone taught Matty's stepdad the phrase white guilt and he says it all the time now.
01:14:52
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He's like, I'm feeling some white guilt about this.
01:14:54
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I'm feeling some white guilt about the fact that I was in the bathroom for a long time.
01:15:02
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I'm feeling some white guilt that I...
01:15:05
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Took the last french fry out of the bag.
01:15:07
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I'm feeling some white guilt that I went to Denny's this morning.
01:15:10
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Like, yeah, dude, you should.
01:15:12
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For the record.
01:15:13
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Denny's.
01:15:14
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Should have gone to Waffle House.
01:15:15
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Should have gone to Waffle House.
01:15:16
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Well, if there was one in Waco, damn it.
01:15:19
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Still the most asserting in the world to me.
01:15:21
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We don't have a fucking Waffle House.
01:15:23
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Me walking into Waffle House, I am an appetite.
01:15:27
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I am an appetite.
01:15:31
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Now imagine Larry David Count Orlok.
01:15:34
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Imagine Jerry Seinfeld counterlocked.
01:15:36
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They're the same guy.
01:15:39
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Wildly rich.
01:15:40
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They love young women.
01:15:44
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Fucking Nicholas Holt walks into the castle and he goes, Hey, did you bring the papers for me to sign?
01:15:51
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I'm an appetite.
01:15:52
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I'm an appetite.
01:15:54
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What do you mean?
01:15:55
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They both will never die.
01:15:56
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Jerry Seinfeld will never die.
01:16:01
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It's a beautiful mansion.
01:16:04
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You're telling me I can be right across the street?
01:16:06
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I get to see your young wife all the time?
01:16:11
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Don't close your blinds at night.
01:16:14
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Hey, you boys want to go set fire to the catacombs?
01:16:18
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No, that was my... The biggest takeaway I got from this movie is like, I know that they were on a wild goose chase on purpose at the end of that movie, but I need to go vampire hunting with my boys.
01:16:28
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Yep.
01:16:29
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I need to go out in a squad, break into a castle, and set some shit on fire.
01:16:34
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I'm not sure if there is a good... Mmm.
01:16:38
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What?
01:16:39
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I was saying, this squad of the four of us plus Ralph Innocent and Willem Dafoe.
01:16:43
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That's right.
01:16:44
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Pretty sick.
01:16:46
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People kept saying that Dafoe was going fucking crazy in this movie.
01:16:50
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He's playing an eccentric alchemist guy.
01:16:54
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He's kind of tame in this movie.
01:16:57
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Performance wise.
01:17:00
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His performance as the Green Goblin is crazier than this one.
01:17:03
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His performance in the Northman.
01:17:04
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Cruise control is crazier.
01:17:09
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I can't think of a buddy horror comedy vampire hunting movie.
01:17:13
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Like Shaun of the Dead.
01:17:16
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What about that new Dan Stevens movie, Abigail?
01:17:20
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I heard that was kind of a vampire comedy.
01:17:22
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I thought it was a vampire at all.
01:17:23
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It's not the same tone I'm talking about.
01:17:25
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Also, they're not hunting a vampire.
01:17:27
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I'm talking about a Tucker and Dale type thing with vampires.
01:17:30
Speaker
Is that about zombies, Tucker and Dale?
01:17:32
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No, it's not about anything.
01:17:33
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Tucker and Dale is just fucking people killing people.
01:17:36
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The whole thing was that they accidentally slasher villains.
01:17:40
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These kids think that Tucker and Dale are this cannibal redneck family like Texas Chainsaw, but there keeps being coincidences where the kids end up dead.
01:17:50
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One of my favorite lines of all time is, Officer, it has been a doozy of a day.
01:17:55
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Kids keep killing themselves on our lawn.
01:18:01
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Tucker and Dale rules.
01:18:02
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I do like that.
01:18:03
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Tucker and Dale rules.
01:18:04
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It might be my favorite Alan Tudyk.
01:18:07
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Oh, that's high praise.
01:18:08
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Austin, you might have to get a little bit of assistance and then just sit on the couch and giggle a lot.
01:18:16
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I'm down.
01:18:16
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I mean, I got my eating pad.
01:18:17
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I'm rocking.
01:18:19
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It sounds like we need to write a horror comedy about vampires.
Vampire Comedy and Film Appreciation
01:18:22
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Well, that sounds good.
01:18:24
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That's right up my creative alley, so we'll see what happens.
01:18:27
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That's right up my creative... Urethra.
01:18:30
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That's right up my butthole.
01:18:33
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I like that Austin and I both were like, yeah, urethra.
01:18:35
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Yeah, of course, dude, I got so much.
01:18:38
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We were in Broken Boat.
01:18:39
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My nephew went swimming in this fucking like river and the whole rest of the week I was like scaring him by saying like, yeah, some shit came up your urethra and it's going to bust your penis wide open.
01:18:54
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That thing's going to look like a fucking banana peel.
01:18:56
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Yeah, this 13-year-old who literally his vocal range is two pitches and then he goes, he's just so scared that his dick is going to get exploded.
01:19:05
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You just show him the first 20 minutes of Alien and you're like, you see that?
01:19:08
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That thing's going to come out of your penis.
01:19:10
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Yeah, that's going to be your dick in about an hour, buddy.
01:19:12
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Judge, send him to the penis exploder.
01:19:15
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Tell it to the judge.
01:19:20
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Dude, I'm looking.
01:19:21
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I don't feel like there's a great...
01:19:24
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There's some good vampire comedies, but not great vampire hunter comedies.
01:19:29
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Fright Night's a great vampire comedy.
01:19:31
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That is true.
01:19:31
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That movie rules.
01:19:32
Speaker
Fright Night fucking rules.
01:19:35
Speaker
Didn't they make a shitty remake of Fright Night?
01:19:37
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With Colin Farrell.
01:19:39
Speaker
It's not bad?
01:19:41
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I just knew Colin Farrell was a bad guy.
01:19:42
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I was like, Farrell's probably pretty good as a scary vampire.
01:19:46
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Farrell plays the Serenity character, and then David Tennant plays the TV host.
01:19:52
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Oh, nice.
01:19:53
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I like that.
01:19:54
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Yeah, I think Vampire Hunter, like, two doofuses going vampire hunting is like an untapped will.
01:20:01
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Yeah.
01:20:03
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Get on it.
01:20:04
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He's going to have Guillermo from What We Do in the Shadows.
01:20:08
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Yeah.
01:20:09
Speaker
I still anti-What We Do in the Shadows TV show, but...
01:20:12
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It's fine.
01:20:13
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It's just not that funny.
01:20:15
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Compared to the movie?
01:20:16
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The new season is very fucking funny.
01:20:18
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Okay.
01:20:18
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The new season goes back up.
01:20:21
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Okay.
01:20:21
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I promise.
01:20:22
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I guess.
01:20:23
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Every time I start a TV show that I don't like love, I'm like, I have fucking better things to do.
01:20:27
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Like rewatch 30 Rock for the 20th time?
01:20:29
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Yeah, because that shows Evergreen.
01:20:31
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Tucson, Arizona.
01:20:35
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Matt Berry on screen is Evergreen.
01:20:38
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An absolute genius.
01:20:41
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There's a bit from the IT crowd that is like a vocal tick in my head when the CEO of the company dies and Matt Berry shows up to the funeral and goes, Father!
01:20:51
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Father!
01:20:54
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Well, that's one of the reasons the latest season's good is because they go and get real jobs.
01:20:59
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Oh, that's fun.
01:21:02
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I have to travel to Phoenix for work in February, and I am going to have to stop myself from just being like, Addisonia.
01:21:10
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Addisonia.
01:21:12
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I'm glad to be back in Addisonia.
01:21:16
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I just, like, based on my experience with the movie, which I think is one of my favorite mockumentaries of all time.
01:21:22
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It's quite good.
01:21:24
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Because, like, I mean, that has another one of my favorite movie lines, which is...
01:21:30
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I don't know why we like eating virgins more than non-virgins, but maybe picture it this way.
01:21:37
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Imagine if you were eating a sandwich and someone had fucked it.
01:21:44
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It is one of the greatest lines in the history of comedy.
01:21:48
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No doubt about it.
01:21:49
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You're right.
01:21:50
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You're right.
01:21:51
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And also on the computer looking at Google images and goes, could you search virgins?
01:21:58
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And then it does a throwaway line.
01:22:00
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One of them goes, oh, I don't think she's a virgin if she's doing that.
01:22:09
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Oh, man.
01:22:11
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Vampires are pretty cool.
01:22:13
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Nosferatu, pretty cool.
01:22:15
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Kind of cool.
01:22:16
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Kind of cool.
01:22:18
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I'll say, the more I think about it, I'm getting colder and colder on it.
01:22:23
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The mustache was also corny.
01:22:25
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I thought the mustache was kind of sick.
01:22:28
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No.
01:22:29
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That's because you're a mustached boy.
01:22:34
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Mustache is good.
01:22:36
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Borlaug's mustache, not quite.
01:22:38
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I do really, really love the Herzog and Murnau design for Nosferatu, and I didn't really vibe as much with the Eggers design.
01:22:49
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Yeah.
01:22:50
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I'm not going to spoil this.
01:22:51
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However, there is a bit of creature effects in the final two minutes of this film that I was fucking stoked about.
01:23:02
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The creature effects are pretty rad.
01:23:04
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I would agree.
01:23:05
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I'd agree.
01:23:06
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Well, Eggers loves to land on a frame of an actual famous painting and does that really well here.
01:23:12
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Yeah.
01:23:15
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And also, I will say that the shot from the trailer where Orlok reaches out his hand and the shadow goes over the city, that's one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
01:23:24
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It's pretty sick.
01:23:26
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The one going up to the door works really well, too.
01:23:30
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Nosferatu.
01:23:33
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Cool.
01:23:33
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Cool.
01:23:34
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Yeah, good movie.
01:23:35
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Go see it.
01:23:35
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It's pretty.
01:23:37
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It's worth the ticket, for sure.
01:23:39
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Complete unknown.
01:23:40
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Very cool.
01:23:42
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Baby girl.
01:23:44
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Very cool.
01:23:45
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Very bad.
01:23:47
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Very bad.
01:23:48
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Very bad.
01:23:49
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Speaking of very bad.
01:23:50
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Hold on.
01:23:51
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There's this shot in David girl where Nicole Kidman takes off all her clothes and she's staying there just completely nude.
01:23:57
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We see Titty?
01:23:57
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Oh, yeah.
01:24:00
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And Harris Dickinson goes... But no hog.
01:24:02
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Harris Dickinson goes...
01:24:03
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you're so beautiful and she's like no i'm not and i was like shut the fuck up you're like cole kidman get over it it's fucking ridiculous somebody's absolute dog ass and i hated it okay i'm gonna go watch i sweat shut and crank it in the bathroom this weed the pot is making you aggressive the pot is making you aggressive i don't have that i don't have any kubrick on physical
01:24:26
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I might need to get some.
01:24:27
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I don't either.
01:24:29
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I almost bought Fear and Desire the other day.
01:24:31
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The film bros are about to eat y'all alive.
01:24:33
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They're going to eat my taint.
01:24:37
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Listener, we are at our favorite part of the show.
01:24:44
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The end.
01:24:44
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Austin's porn reviews.
01:24:48
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Yo, we can talk about it.
01:24:50
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I'm just kidding.
01:24:52
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I'm just kidding.
01:24:52
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I'm just kidding.
01:24:53
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JK, JK.
01:24:54
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JK, JK.
01:24:56
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Today we're talking about a classic Deep Throat from the 1970s.
01:25:02
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This is the Akira Kurosawa High and Low.
01:25:05
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The Akira Kurosawa High and Low.
01:25:06
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This is actually the first one we've done in 2025.
01:25:08
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Isn't that exciting?
01:25:09
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Oh, wow.
01:25:10
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We're going to do 52 more of these.
01:25:13
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Uh, the way that this works is each of us will talk about our favorite piece of media we consumed that week and our least favorite piece of media we have consumed that week.
01:25:23
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Now we haven't recorded in about two weeks, so we've got a lot to pick from.
01:25:27
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Um, there will be some honorable mentions, I assume.
01:25:31
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Yeah.
01:25:32
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Austin, are you ready?
01:25:34
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Hold on.
01:25:34
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I got logged out of letterbox.
01:25:36
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Hang on.
01:25:37
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Um, I can't, I can start though.
01:25:38
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I can start.
01:25:39
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So some honorable mentions, um,
01:25:42
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I will start with the Beyonce halftime performance on Christmas at the Texans game.
01:25:46
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Pretty good.
01:25:47
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Fantastic.
01:25:48
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Absolutely phenomenal.
01:25:49
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When Post Malone showed up on the back of a truck covered in denim, I was like, man, she just gets it.
01:25:54
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She understands.
01:25:56
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She knows what's good for the people.
01:25:59
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Love that.
01:26:00
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Honorable mention, Strange Darling.
01:26:04
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phenomenal phenomenal i have it let's see where do i have it i have it at seven on the year oh um really high praise really loved it um and uh yeah go watch strange darling if you like fucked up shit that looks honestly amazing um oh wait who's who is the cinematographer it's like giovanni ribisi giovanni ribisi yeah yeah yeah
01:26:28
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It's very funny how prevalent that is in the credit block.
01:26:34
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Yes.
01:26:36
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But honestly, performances are amazing.
01:26:37
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Also a very cool credit block.
01:26:40
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Very cool looking credits.
01:26:41
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Kyle Gallner is fantastic.
01:26:44
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Yep.
01:26:45
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really good movie um let's see another one more honorable mention i i watched richard jewell for the first time uh five out of five fantastic anger honestly so good incredible sam rockwell on a million uh paul walter hauser's performance i it's maybe one of the least insulting performances of an idiot i've ever seen it gives him so much like respect he's such a human um yeah
01:27:10
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My high, though, is Alfred Hitchcock's The Lady Vanishes from 1938.
01:27:17
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Super cool movie.
01:27:20
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Hitchcock's still in London, obviously, before he comes to Hollywood.
01:27:23
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And it's like his use of miniatures in this movie is astounding.
01:27:27
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It's obviously a very clear influence on Wes Anderson.
01:27:31
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And it's just a very cool story.
01:27:33
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It's like six movies in one.
01:27:34
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There's like a comedic element to it.
01:27:35
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There's a rom-com element to it.
01:27:37
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There's a sort of like, well, they won't they.
01:27:39
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And then the main sort of plot is a lady goes like lady goes on a train, talks to an older woman.
01:27:47
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She takes a nap and wakes up and everybody's like, who's that woman you're talking about?
01:27:53
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She's not here.
01:27:55
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And then let's figure out what happened to the woman.
01:27:58
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It's also the same plot as Paper Towns, the John Green novel.
01:28:02
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Yeah, it is.
01:28:04
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Read that twice in high school.
01:28:06
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Yep.
01:28:07
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Very, very fun.
01:28:09
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It's just super cool and snappy dialogue.
01:28:14
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Really dug that.
01:28:15
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My low, I'm going to have a few, and they're all 2024 releases.
01:28:22
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Low of all lows is red one.
01:28:26
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That is a good low.
01:28:28
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Like, the worst... It's the worst movie of the year that I've seen.
01:28:32
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When we see Red One with this technology in this theater, it's going to be next level.
01:28:38
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Literally, there's a scene on a beach, and it's the most obvious green screen bullshit.
01:28:42
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Like, I cannot imagine watching... Like, just go to a fucking beach, dude.
01:28:46
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Like, it looks so awful.
01:28:49
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All the CGI is terrible.
01:28:50
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The performances are, like...
01:28:52
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so abominably bad.
01:28:54
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I cannot believe it.
01:28:54
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So that's my real... It just feels like a movie.
01:28:57
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Yeah, just like... We just want to make like a movie, you know?
01:29:00
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Not a film.
01:29:00
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It's giving movie.
01:29:03
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Yeah.
01:29:04
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Honorable mention low, Baby Girl, We've Shitted On Enough.
01:29:07
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It's really bad.
01:29:08
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And the other honorable mention low is Wicked, which I thought was pretty shit.
01:29:13
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Wow.
01:29:14
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Here we go.
01:29:14
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The girlies are coming after him.
01:29:16
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It's fine.
01:29:17
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It's fine.
01:29:18
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It looks like dog ass.
01:29:20
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Yeah.
01:29:20
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Yeah.
01:29:21
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Like...
01:29:22
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John M. Chu does not need CGI.
01:29:25
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Stop.
01:29:27
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I like his movies.
01:29:30
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Dancing in Streets.
01:29:32
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What are we doing with this?
01:29:34
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He did In the Heights, correct?
01:29:35
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He did In the Heights.
01:29:36
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Not bad.
01:29:37
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And the Step Up movies.
01:29:39
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In the Heights looks good.
01:29:40
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Yeah.
01:29:41
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No, he's a good visual filmmaker.
01:29:43
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Just take the CGI away from him.
01:29:45
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The color is a little bit bad, too.
01:29:47
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The color timing is terrible.
01:29:49
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Ariana Grande is amazing.
01:29:51
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I should say that like an incredible performance.
01:29:54
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But I'm just like, you're going to take a musical that is two hours and 20 minutes full stop.
01:30:00
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And you're going to make a movie that's the first act of that musical.
01:30:02
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And it's going to be two hours and 35 minutes.
01:30:04
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Like you're going to have a lot of book.
01:30:07
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Yeah, but not really.
01:30:09
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They took a lot of liberties.
01:30:10
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And I love musical, and I've seen it a bunch, but yeah, I didn't like it.
01:30:16
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Sounds like Austin was not holding space.
01:30:19
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I was not holding space.
01:30:20
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Allow me to also hold space in that I...
01:30:25
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I fully agree with with Austin's point.
01:30:27
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I do think Ariana Grande, no joke, should be nominated.
01:30:31
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Oh, yeah.
01:30:31
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She's like excellent.
01:30:34
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OK, I can watch this flick because she's simultaneously doing a Chenoweth impression with a lot of her intonation.
01:30:40
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But then still, she's got great comedic timing.
01:30:44
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And we've seen it in she's been doing she's been doing this for a long fucking time.
01:30:48
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Is it good?
01:30:48
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Sketch actor.
01:30:51
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Her SNL appearances are all great.
01:30:53
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And she's very good.
01:30:54
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Erivo to me is like her vocal, like she's doing what is asked of her.
01:30:59
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And I think Erivo is an excellent performer.
01:31:01
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I think the way that they've split this story is that like she kind of doesn't get to do all the stuff you come here for.
Critiques and Praises of Various Films
01:31:11
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Well, that's the problem is act one is Glinda's act two is Elphaba's.
01:31:15
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Yes.
01:31:15
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And Cynthia Erivo is playing Elphaba in act two, but in act one.
01:31:20
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And it doesn't make any sense, her performance.
01:31:22
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Like, it just, it does, it really doesn't work for me.
01:31:24
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I'm excited to see what she'll do in part two.
01:31:26
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I think she'll have a lot more time to shine.
01:31:28
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I also think, like, Jonathan Bailey's pretty good.
01:31:31
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He's entertaining, playing a hot, dumb guy.
01:31:35
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A classic.
01:31:38
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He's fun.
01:31:39
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Bowen Yang is very funny.
01:31:41
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But also, water is wet.
01:31:44
Speaker
I didn't find a ton of merit in it.
01:31:48
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I can understand why people are freaking the fuck out about it, but I'm like, okay, you just like flashy pink things that look like... It's not even that pink.
01:31:57
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No, it just looks like Smurf shit.
01:31:59
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It's terrible.
01:32:01
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But on that, I would like to hear from Red since he was already going off.
01:32:05
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Yeah.
01:32:06
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Since I'm already going, the last thing I'll say about Wicked, I've never seen it performed live.
01:32:11
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And so getting to hear those songs that loud is nice.
01:32:15
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Defying Gravity is a great song.
01:32:16
Speaker
So is popular.
01:32:18
Speaker
But there's a ton of great songs in the musical.
01:32:19
Speaker
Defying Gravity is a great song.
01:32:21
Speaker
The shit they do with it in the movie made me so mad.
01:32:24
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I've heard.
01:32:24
Speaker
Because they split it up so fucking... And make it so long.
01:32:29
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It's like the power of this song is that... And the power of this song is that it builds.
01:32:34
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And you need that momentum to stick so that the final line can really get you.
01:32:39
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And it doesn't.
01:32:40
Speaker
Shout out to the Wale Lady Gaga version of popular...
01:32:46
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I like that.
01:32:48
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So some, I don't really have an honorable mention low.
01:32:51
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I have a pretty clear low for me, but I will do some honorable mention highs very briefly.
01:33:01
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So honorable mention high, I'm going a little further back.
01:33:05
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Red rooms.
01:33:07
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Yeah, man.
01:33:08
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Yeah, baby.
01:33:08
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Now, I believe, let me check my list.
01:33:11
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Red Room's currently sitting at number five on the year for me.
01:33:15
Speaker
It's really damn good.
01:33:16
Speaker
It's a fantastic movie.
01:33:17
Speaker
It is right above Hitman and right below I Saw the TV Glow.
01:33:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:33:22
Speaker
Very good top five.
01:33:23
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Excellent.
01:33:25
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Yeah.
01:33:25
Speaker
Really, really, really affecting.
01:33:28
Speaker
Just perfect.
01:33:29
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Yeah.
01:33:30
Speaker
Everything that Joe said about it when he was- The most unsettled I've ever been watching a movie in my house.
01:33:35
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Yeah.
01:33:36
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I told Andy about the scene where she shows up in court in cosplay, and he turned white just hearing.
01:33:44
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Like, he hasn't even watched the movie.
01:33:46
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The moment you... And, like, it's really excellent horror filmmaking, and Joe talked about this when he first pitched Austin and I on it as, like...
01:33:55
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There's something really effective about the fact that you don't see anything.
01:34:00
Speaker
You only really hear these things.
01:34:02
Speaker
But the real moment of horror dread in this film is watching her...
01:34:10
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get dressed to not go super spoilery on it because I just think it's excellent and everyone needs to see it.
01:34:18
Speaker
That is like, I mean, that's some of the scariest, most dreadful horror moments.
01:34:23
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The shit that we were doing with the camera almost degrading towards the end of it where you got digital artifacting and the way that the camera looks in the scene where she's in the bedroom at the end, I won't say in the bedroom, but like...
01:34:38
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where it looks all fucked up and faxed and grainy.
01:34:42
Speaker
Shit sent me into the stratosphere.
01:34:44
Speaker
That's the closest anyone has come to what Inland Empire feels like.
01:34:52
Speaker
I don't think anyone will be able to capture the Lynchian sort of masterwork that Inland Empire is, but Red Ribs is the only thing that's come close so far.
01:35:02
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I think Kiyoshi Kurosawa gets some of that vibe.
01:35:06
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I think it's two, but I'm intrigued for you to watch this movie, Zach.
01:35:10
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Yeah, I can't wait to watch it.
01:35:11
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I'm really pumped.
01:35:12
Speaker
Kiyoshi put out two movies this year, right?
01:35:16
Speaker
Two movies in a short.
01:35:17
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Yeah, and I haven't seen any of them.
01:35:19
Speaker
I haven't seen any of them.
01:35:21
Speaker
It's really hard to see.
01:35:24
Speaker
I can't remember the other ones.
01:35:25
Speaker
Let me say right now.
01:35:27
Speaker
People on the internet have been getting into weird fucking discourse on Twitter because there was a guy who uploaded every 2024 release that Kyoshi Kurosawa made.
01:35:38
Speaker
And while it's cool to watch those, I want to say something.
01:35:41
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I understand that we live in a capitalist hellscape, and I understand that we are experiencing late-stage capitalism all the time, and it sucks, and it's hard, and we want to say fuck you to giant corporations.
01:35:52
Speaker
But Kyoshi Kurosawa is an artist.
01:35:55
Speaker
He makes beautiful pieces of work.
01:35:58
Speaker
And the fact of the matter is, is you, and he doesn't even have distribution yet for these films.
01:36:05
Speaker
You are stealing money out of his pocket.
01:36:08
Speaker
Yeah.
01:36:09
Speaker
With art, it's different because it's like, you fucking die.
01:36:12
Speaker
When you pay to see a movie from your favorite director, it enables them to continue making more of your favorite movies.
01:36:18
Speaker
It's not the same as like, it's not, it's not pirating one.
01:36:22
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Yeah.
01:36:22
Speaker
Yeah.
01:36:25
Speaker
It's like he doesn't have distribution for these yet.
01:36:28
Speaker
Not even distribution in Japan.
01:36:30
Speaker
Like, what are you doing?
01:36:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:36:32
Speaker
So fuck you.
01:36:33
Speaker
I hope you die.
01:36:36
Speaker
My actual high, or I'm sorry, another honorable mention high is The Zone of Interest, which I finally watched.
01:36:43
Speaker
Oh, a great flick.
01:36:45
Speaker
Really, really, really upsetting, but really, really, really incredible.
01:36:49
Speaker
I think Jonathan Glaser is like,
01:36:52
Speaker
Every movie he's made, it's like a four and a half star movie for me, which is kind of insane to like be a... He is himothy.
01:36:58
Speaker
He really is.
01:36:59
Speaker
To have four films and like three of them I almost think are perfect and then one of them I do think is perfect is pretty amazing.
01:37:07
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I'm going to go my low and then I'll go my high.
01:37:13
Speaker
So there is a new film from Brady Corbet that has been released to the public.
01:37:18
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It is currently playing in four theaters across America.
01:37:22
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One of which is the AMC Century City in Los Angeles.
01:37:25
Speaker
On Christmas morning, I drove to Los Angeles and I saw The Brutalist.
01:37:33
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And I have to say, it's not very good.
01:37:39
Speaker
Damn.
01:37:40
Speaker
I think it looks beautiful.
01:37:43
Speaker
I think Adrian Brody is pretty darn good.
01:37:47
Speaker
I really dislike the Felicity Jones performance in this film.
01:37:51
Speaker
like genuinely really dislike it.
01:37:55
Speaker
And however, I do think the performance that probably will win Best Supporting Actor is Guy Pearce as Harrison Lee Van Buren.
01:38:04
Speaker
That is his character's name.
01:38:07
Speaker
Oh, Jesus.
01:38:08
Speaker
What I've heard about it is that it introduces big ideas, but doesn't create any ideas of depth.
01:38:17
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I mean, that was my problem with Vox Lux.
01:38:19
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I will say... I said this to Austin and Zach and Andy off mic.
01:38:25
Speaker
It...
01:38:27
Speaker
What I said was, we have the master and there will be blood at home.
01:38:31
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Yeah.
01:38:32
Speaker
That's damning.
01:38:34
Speaker
It is visually very beautiful.
01:38:38
Speaker
I think the first half sets up a lot of ideas that are going to be very good.
01:38:42
Speaker
But the second half is so hollow.
01:38:44
Speaker
I mean, it feels like... It doesn't even feel like papier-mâché because papier-mâché has layers.
01:38:49
Speaker
It feels like punching through tissue paper.
01:38:52
Speaker
It feels so hollow.
01:38:55
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that was a bar red i gotta say um it it like save that shit for your blog it starts and you go through and you're like this is a really interesting film about artistry and what it takes to be an artist and artist intent and all these different things and then you hit the intermission and you come back from the intermission and from there on it
01:39:20
Speaker
really lost me.
01:39:23
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So yeah, the brutalist.
01:39:25
Speaker
That's my, that's my low for the last couple of weeks, but my high, let's get to something really fucking cool.
01:39:31
Speaker
I, for the first time, watched Andrei Tarkovsky's Mirror.
01:39:33
Speaker
Man, what a flick!
01:39:35
Speaker
What a picture.
01:39:36
Speaker
Which I think is a five-star masterpiece.
01:39:38
Speaker
I love that movie so much.
01:39:42
Speaker
This is only my second Tarkovsky.
01:39:43
Speaker
I've only seen this in Stalker.
01:39:45
Speaker
And I love Stalker, but this was so striking, so beautiful, really moving.
01:39:54
Speaker
I wish I could have seen this in a theater.
01:39:56
Speaker
I watched it on my laptop, which it feels a little bit of a disservice to Darkovsky.
01:40:00
Speaker
Rest in peace.
01:40:00
Speaker
I'm sorry.
01:40:01
Speaker
You can borrow my Blu-ray anytime you want, buddy.
01:40:06
Speaker
Oh, no, I have Stalker on blue.
01:40:07
Speaker
I don't have Mirror on blue.
01:40:09
Speaker
But I just, I was so taken by it.
01:40:13
Speaker
It was such an excellent experience.
01:40:16
Speaker
And I really do want to keep looking to see if there will be rep screenings for like an anniversary or something.
01:40:22
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Because I just want to like, the sound and the visuals and how striking it is.
01:40:29
Speaker
There's one shot in particular that
01:40:32
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inside like the publisher printing house that she works at where she starts walking down a hallway and then the dolly goes and gets parallel with her and the dolly follows her all the way down the hallway and then she walks into a closet and
01:40:48
Speaker
is looking for papers in the closet.
01:40:50
Speaker
A character walks into the closet with her.
01:40:51
Speaker
They have a conversation.
01:40:52
Speaker
She steps out and then goes back down and the dolly just reverses and follows her all the way down.
01:40:57
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And I rewound that shot three times because I just wanted to keep looking at it and keep taking it in.
01:41:04
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I am.
01:41:05
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Yeah, I was very taken by it.
01:41:06
Speaker
Thought it was excellent.
01:41:08
Speaker
Could not recommend Stalker highly enough.
01:41:09
Speaker
I'm sorry.
01:41:10
Speaker
Mirror highly enough.
01:41:11
Speaker
And also Stalker.
01:41:14
Speaker
stalker is longer it's more complicated yada yada the shot the shot in mirror yeah mirror is
01:41:23
Speaker
the shot in mirror where the chicken jumps through the window i literally i was watching it in just by myself on tv and i went oh shit like i was like that's fucking like it just it really yeah there's so much there's so much in that movie that's just absolutely phenomenal so uh i know i went a long time so i would love to hear from you zach
01:41:45
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All right.
01:41:47
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So my low is easy, and I've already mentioned it today.
01:41:51
Speaker
A good day to die hard should not exist.
01:41:55
Speaker
And it's like the concept is good.
01:41:58
Speaker
Like the idea of John McClane finding his estranged son and doing father-son heroic shit should be really good, and it's not.
01:42:09
Speaker
Who's the team behind this flick?
01:42:13
Speaker
Is it Kevin Smith?
01:42:16
Speaker
No, it would have been good if it was Kevin Smith.
01:42:19
Speaker
Oh, I got you.
01:42:19
Speaker
Juan Moore is the director.
01:42:22
Speaker
He also made The Omen from 2006.
01:42:25
Speaker
Behind Enemy Lines.
01:42:28
Speaker
Max Payne with Mark Wahlberg?
01:42:30
Speaker
Oh, man, this guy's directed stinkers.
01:42:36
Speaker
I tried to watch the Max Payne movie with Mark Wahlberg because I was like, benefit of the doubt, I love this game.
01:42:41
Speaker
I wonder if the movie's good.
01:42:42
Speaker
And I started watching it immediately.
01:42:43
Speaker
I was like, no, I can't.
01:42:45
Speaker
I can't do this shit.
01:42:46
Speaker
Saw it in the theater with my old man.
01:42:48
Speaker
The writer is Skip Woods, whose top bill is X-Men Origins Wolverine.
01:42:53
Speaker
Fuck.
01:42:54
Speaker
That's bleak.
01:42:55
Speaker
That's a tough look, buddy.
01:42:56
Speaker
His second one is the 2010 A-Team movie.
01:43:00
Speaker
Oh, gosh.
01:43:01
Speaker
I think that movie, the A-Team remake, has some fun scenes, at least.
01:43:09
Speaker
I haven't seen it.
01:43:10
Speaker
I can't speak to that.
01:43:11
Speaker
You got a good Bradley Cooper performance in that movie.
01:43:14
Speaker
He plays face.
01:43:15
Speaker
Cooper is Cooper.
01:43:16
Speaker
Again, water is wet.
01:43:16
Speaker
Water is wet.
01:43:18
Speaker
But what I'm saying is you got to see it.
01:43:20
Speaker
Water is well, and so is my pussy looking at Bradley Cooper.
01:43:24
Speaker
But yeah, it's not a good movie.
01:43:29
Speaker
When I saw the rating on Letterboxd, that overall average was 1.8 stars.
01:43:35
Speaker
I was like, no way.
01:43:36
Speaker
It can't be that bad.
01:43:38
Speaker
I know it's not going to be as good as the others, but it can't.
01:43:41
Speaker
Like 1.8, that's pretty damning.
01:43:43
Speaker
And it's like, no, that's pretty spot on as far as the rating.
01:43:45
Speaker
That's all in the money.
01:43:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:43:48
Speaker
A few honorable mentions.
01:43:51
Speaker
I watched Den of Thieves the other day, and that's a fucking ripper.
01:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, dog.
01:43:56
Speaker
Yeah.
01:43:57
Speaker
It's a pretty long movie, and it flies by.
01:44:03
Speaker
It's almost two and a half hours long.
01:44:06
Speaker
Damn.
01:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, Den of Thieves Rules.
01:44:08
Speaker
Really excited for Pantera coming out.
01:44:11
Speaker
Another honorable mention...
01:44:13
Speaker
Family Plot is a Hitchcock movie from the 70s, and it came out in 76 and has Bruce Dern, Karen Black, Ed Lauder in it, and just in a lot of ways feels like a Robert Altman movie.
01:44:34
Speaker
that he teamed up with Alfred Hitchcock on is how I would describe this movie.
01:44:39
Speaker
Cause it feels wholly in the seventies, but also firmly a Hitchcock movie.
01:44:45
Speaker
I recommend it a lot.
01:44:46
Speaker
Austin.
01:44:48
Speaker
It's in the box that you have.
01:44:50
Speaker
Oh, great.
01:44:50
Speaker
Have I ever told you all my, my screenplay idea that has to do with family plot?
01:44:56
Speaker
I really want to write a screenplay about the 1976 Cannes Film Festival because Family Plot debuted there, which was Hitchcock's last movie.
01:45:09
Speaker
Also debuted there, Taxi Driver.
01:45:12
Speaker
And Taxi Driver won the Palme d'Or.
01:45:15
Speaker
And Tennessee Williams, the playwright, was the president of the jury.
01:45:20
Speaker
Also on this jury was Costa Gavris,
01:45:23
Speaker
uh the greek filmmaker french filmmaker and charlotte rampling was on this jury um and like there was smoking hot oh yeah jean carzu who's a french painter was on this like it just seems fascinating to me and other there's a couple other movies like bugsy malone premiered here um uh vim vendors kings of the road paul mazurski's next stop greenwich village um and roman plants he's the tenant so it's like it just it's always seemed like such a fascinating like
01:45:53
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Yeah, Tenet.
01:45:54
Speaker
Yeah, Roman Polanski did a recut in 1976.
01:45:58
Speaker
But, like, it just always seemed like, you know, the dying of one generation and the uprising of another idea to me.
01:46:04
Speaker
So I'm going to stop talking about it now.
01:46:06
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:46:07
Speaker
Yeah, Family Plot Rules.
01:46:08
Speaker
A couple other honorable mentions.
01:46:10
Speaker
We talked about Saturday Night.
01:46:11
Speaker
It's good.
01:46:12
Speaker
I don't care.
01:46:12
Speaker
Sue me.
01:46:14
Speaker
And then Pulse by Kiyoshi Kurosawa.
01:46:16
Speaker
I watched it yesterday.
01:46:18
Speaker
Yeah, baby.
01:46:18
Speaker
Yeah.
01:46:21
Speaker
I've been doing this thing lately where if I'm kind of getting freaked out by a movie, I kind of sit on the back of my couch just to get a little bit further away from the TV.
01:46:31
Speaker
And so something's at your back so no one can stab you from behind?
01:46:33
Speaker
My feet are on my couch and my back is against the wall.
01:46:37
Speaker
I need to just get up here a little bit
01:46:40
Speaker
There's some really fucking scary parts of this movie.
01:46:44
Speaker
Hell yeah.
01:46:45
Speaker
Yeah.
01:46:46
Speaker
And then it's also like way more sentimental than I expected it to be.
01:46:50
Speaker
It's a really kind of heartbreaking movie.
01:46:53
Speaker
Yeah, I don't want to give too much more about it because I watched it completely blind and I was like, this fucking rules.
Praise for Classics and Recent Releases
01:47:02
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But my high, and this is no funny business, is Gremlins 2.
01:47:08
Speaker
Of all these movies I've mentioned, this is the one I would literally give a five-star rating to.
01:47:12
Speaker
Hell yeah.
01:47:14
Speaker
For no reasons that are like bits.
01:47:17
Speaker
Like genuinely, it takes the Gremlins universe and puts it in like...
01:47:25
Speaker
Just a bigger scale.
01:47:27
Speaker
Like we go from the small town to the big city and like that's very much hammered into.
01:47:31
Speaker
Kind of like how Leprechaun jumps from, you know, the small stakes of Leprechaun 1 and then we get Leprechaun 5 into Hood.
01:47:38
Speaker
Like Babe to Pig in the City.
01:47:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:47:44
Speaker
Or like Home Alone to Home Alone 2 Lost in New York.
01:47:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:47:48
Speaker
That's exactly right.
01:47:49
Speaker
How you lost in New York?
01:47:51
Speaker
The street's a number.
01:47:52
Speaker
It's a bridge system, motherfucker.
01:47:54
Speaker
1-Up 11-Ova, you simple bitch.
01:48:00
Speaker
Oh, what a goat.
01:48:01
Speaker
The guy, the man.
01:48:02
Speaker
There's some awesome stuff.
01:48:04
Speaker
There's Paul Bartell as a cameo as a theater manager, which is then followed by Hulk Hogan doing like a breaking the third wall bit.
01:48:12
Speaker
Or is it fourth wall?
01:48:13
Speaker
I don't know.
01:48:13
Speaker
Fourth wall.
01:48:14
Speaker
Fourth wall bit.
01:48:15
Speaker
Dick Budkiss is in this movie.
01:48:17
Speaker
It's dick.
01:48:18
Speaker
Uh-huh.
01:48:21
Speaker
He's also in Kicking and Screaming, but that movie sucks.
01:48:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:26
Speaker
Also, you know who directed Kicking and Screaming?
01:48:29
Speaker
Bob Dylan's son.
01:48:31
Speaker
Jacob Dylan of the Wallflowers?
01:48:33
Speaker
No, the other one.
01:48:37
Speaker
Noah Baumbach?
01:48:38
Speaker
No, I'm just kidding.
01:48:39
Speaker
You can fact check me on that, but I'm almost positive that's right.
01:48:41
Speaker
Oh, and the last thing about Gremlins 2.
01:48:43
Speaker
We got Christopher Lee playing a crazy dude named Dr. Catheter.
01:48:48
Speaker
Cool.
01:48:50
Speaker
What else do you need?
01:48:51
Speaker
Not anything else.
01:48:52
Speaker
I'm sold already.
01:48:54
Speaker
So yeah.
01:48:55
Speaker
What about you, Joe?
01:48:56
Speaker
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
01:48:57
Speaker
I have to say, I have to say, I have to say.
01:48:59
Speaker
Dick Butkus is not in Kicking and Screaming.
01:49:03
Speaker
You're thinking of legendary Chicago Bears head coach Mike Ditka.
01:49:06
Speaker
Okay, you can see how a guy would get confused.
01:49:11
Speaker
Though I believe Mike... No, Mike Dicko was not a Butkus Award winner.
01:49:14
Speaker
My apologies.
01:49:15
Speaker
I believe they were teammates, though.
01:49:17
Speaker
Okay, my... Okay, honorable mention... Well, let me do my low.
01:49:24
Speaker
It's Baby Girl.
01:49:25
Speaker
I didn't really see anything else worse than that.
01:49:27
Speaker
I haven't been watching a lot.
01:49:28
Speaker
I've been kind of
01:49:29
Speaker
doing family stuff, hanging out with some good friends.
01:49:33
Speaker
Baby Girl, that's my low.
01:49:34
Speaker
I don't really have an honorable mention low.
01:49:35
Speaker
I just really didn't like that movie.
01:49:36
Speaker
Yeah, it sucks.
01:49:38
Speaker
Honorable mention high, carry on.
01:49:42
Speaker
Yeah, baby.
01:49:43
Speaker
A good time.
01:49:44
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I will say I have some pretty big gripes with it, but mostly I had a great time.
01:49:49
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My biggest gripe is that they did a Chekhov's gun with a parachute and it never deployed.
01:49:57
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Do you see everyone complaining about the CGI car scene?
01:50:01
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It doesn't look very good.
01:50:03
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It's fun, though.
01:50:05
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It's a cool idea, but my complaint with it is that if you knew it was going to look that bad, I just would have moved on.
01:50:12
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But like Logan Marshall Green though Love him Yeah and Jason Bateman This is his most convincing villain performance to date He's really good He's really fantastic in this movie And he literally does the thing that everybody who's doing an impression of Jason Bateman does He goes, okay buddy And then other honorable mention Barton Fink I love this movie, I rewatched it It's one of the best to ever do it
01:50:40
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My actual high, though, my actual high, I was raving about it all last night.
01:50:45
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The boys know what I'm going to say.
01:50:47
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West Side Story, Steven Spielberg.
01:50:49
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I think I'm going to fire it up tonight.
01:50:50
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This movie sent me into the fucking stratus fire.
01:50:53
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I was stratus fire.
01:50:54
Speaker
What?
01:50:55
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Stratus fire.
01:50:56
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It set you so far up there, you lost oxygen.
01:50:58
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You can't speak anymore.
01:50:59
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Hey, I was genuinely just kind of watching the movie jaw on the floor, smiling.
01:51:05
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A couple of the dance numbers brought tears to my eyes and not the sad ones.
01:51:12
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The whole gym dance sequence is one of the coolest things ever put to the screen.
01:51:17
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Despite Ansel Elgort being a little dry, I kind of thought he was pretty good.
01:51:22
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Yeah.
01:51:23
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He does what's after him.
01:51:24
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It's the worst part in the show.
01:51:26
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Yeah, and that being the worst part is kind of high praise.
01:51:31
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Yeah, Tony's bad in every version of West Side Story.
01:51:34
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But Mike Feist in this movie, holy shit.
01:51:37
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A superstar.
01:51:38
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Rachel Zegler is on another level in this movie.
01:51:44
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Corey Stoll's in this movie?
01:51:46
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Yeah, who's... Do you need a cop?
01:51:49
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Oh, yeah.
01:51:49
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He plays one of the cops.
01:51:50
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Yeah, yeah, that's right.
01:51:51
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I forgot about that.
01:51:53
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The Dear Officer Krupke number, where they're all in the jail.
01:51:58
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It's unbelievable.
01:51:59
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That is maybe some of the coolest dancing slash singing I've ever seen put to film.
01:52:04
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Mm hmm.
01:52:05
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And also, I mean, the shot where Tony look like kicks the puddle and then looks up and then all of the windows start swirling underneath him as he's singing Maria is one of the most beautiful and affecting pieces of cinematography I've ever seen in my entire life.
01:52:20
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Yeah, it's the lighting in this movie is like if you if you're a working director.
01:52:27
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And you cannot even begin to come close to what Spielberg is doing in this movie.
01:52:33
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You might need to just go ahead and drop out and go get another job, buddy.
01:52:38
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Or just jump off a bridge.
01:52:41
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For all the complaints about Wicked's lighting, all of those are valid.
01:52:45
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The lighting in that movie sucks megacockless, as the kids are saying.
01:52:51
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But the lighting in West Side Story is like... It's top-notch, man.
01:52:56
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I mean...
01:52:57
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It doesn't get much better than that.
01:52:58
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Spielberg firing on all cylinders.
01:53:01
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Feist firing on all cylinders.
01:53:03
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I mean, just watch it.
01:53:05
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It's so good.
01:53:06
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I love you, Greg Fraser.
01:53:08
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You should have lost best cinematography to West Side Story.
01:53:10
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Yes, correct.
01:53:11
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I totally agree.
01:53:12
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I totally agree.
01:53:14
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It might be the best cinematography...
01:53:16
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I don't know, of the decade.
01:53:18
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Do you still stand by what you said about it being the best Spielberg movie?
01:53:22
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I don't know.
01:53:22
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I don't know.
01:53:23
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It's probably recency bias, but it's the one that has made me the most excited about movies in a long time.
01:53:30
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That's great.
01:53:33
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You should re-watch Jurassic Park or Jaws.
01:53:37
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Listen, I have re-watched all of those recently.
01:53:40
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I love all of those movies.
01:53:41
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What about E.T.?
01:53:43
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I actually am not the hottest on E.T., I'll be honest.
01:53:46
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Whoa!
01:53:47
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Yeah, that's a shitty take.
01:53:49
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Sorry.
01:53:49
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You're the villain once again.
01:53:51
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Zach and I had some assistance and then watched E.T.
01:53:54
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and genuinely wept the final ten minutes of the film.
01:53:58
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I think it's a great movie.
01:54:00
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It's just not my favorite Spielberg.
01:54:01
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It doesn't press my buttons.
01:54:05
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I don't think it's my top...
01:54:07
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It's definitely not top three.
01:54:08
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I don't even know if it's top five, but that's just because you don't get it.
01:54:13
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That's just because you're the greatest director of all time.
01:54:17
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I got to say, if it comes down to it, it's between Saving Private Ryan, West Side Story, and Jaws.
01:54:26
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You are a war boy.
01:54:32
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I gotta do a Spielberg episode because my top three doesn't have any overlap.
01:54:37
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How?
01:54:39
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You gotta do a 36 flicks or whatever.
01:54:42
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Yeah, Spielberg month.
01:54:43
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I like Spielberg month.
01:54:44
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I would be down for that.
01:54:45
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Blank check is already doing the early Spielberg movies right now.
01:54:48
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We could just do it.
01:54:50
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Yeah, let's just go behind.
01:54:51
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Pop on the train.
01:54:52
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Alright, well, I think that's it, boys.
01:54:56
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I think we got it.
01:54:58
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Boys, I love you.
01:55:01
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Thanks for hanging.
01:55:01
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Absolutely.
01:55:02
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I'm very excited to see where PGW goes in the new year.
01:55:06
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I know we've been lacking.
01:55:07
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We're going to get hornier and hornier.
01:55:09
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We will be getting hornier and hornier.
01:55:11
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We are going to be picking back up weekly episodes, having a lot more fun.
01:55:17
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And celebrity guests are coming this year.
01:55:20
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We've got a celebrity guests are coming.
01:55:22
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A few A-listers lined up.
01:55:24
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So stay Joe Rogan.
01:55:27
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Someone that's name rhymes with Boston.
01:55:30
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Guttler will be on.
01:55:31
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Yeah.
01:55:32
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Mark Wahlberg is penciled in for September 11th later on.
01:55:37
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Mark Wahlberg and Mel Gibson are coming on together and we're bringing on an old Jewish guy and an old Vietnamese guy and we're just going to let them kind of go at it.
01:55:45
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Wait, was it one of y'all who sent the tweet where it was like, I'm fully convinced that Mark Wahlberg is making the Fight Plane movie so that it's not, so that there's something else that comes up when people Google Mark Wahlberg plane.
01:55:57
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I think Joe said that.
01:56:02
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Listener, look out next week.
01:56:04
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We're going to do something.
01:56:05
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It might be an episode on Den of Thieves Pantera.
01:56:08
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It might be an episode on Fight Plane.
01:56:11
Speaker
Does Pantera come out this weekend?
01:56:13
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Pantera comes out Friday.
01:56:15
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All right.
01:56:17
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Let's fucking go.
01:56:18
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I'm going to re-watch Den of Thieves tonight.
01:56:19
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
01:56:20
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While I don't watch the Golden Globes.
01:56:23
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We'll do something.
01:56:23
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Yeah, fuck the Golden Gloves.
01:56:26
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Boys, I love you.
01:56:27
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Listener, we love you.
01:56:27
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Bye.
01:56:28
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Love you.
01:56:29
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Bye.