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PGW 34: Split Boyopter (ANORA & DANDADAN & ONE PIECE & ALL SORTS OF STUFF)
5 Plays10 months ago
The boys split up podcasting duties and find themselves in very different discussions. The first half we get Joe and Red discussing the new Netflix series DANDADAN as well as a more general anime discussion before Austin and Zach talk about Mikey Madison's breasts and Sean Baker's ANORA.
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Introduction and Podcast Rebranding
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Speaker
Welcome to Paddington Gone Wild, the internet's only movie podcast about television.
00:00:05
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I am one of your hosts, Red Rankin, and I'm joined by only one of my co-hosts today.
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This is a Joseph Spectacular.
00:00:13
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The Joseph and Red fuck around.
00:00:16
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Yeah.
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We've kind of split up the crew this week.
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Joe and I are going to talk about the newest Netflix anime series.
00:00:25
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Yeah.
00:00:42
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Yeah, so that's on you guys, actually.
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Speaker
If you guys want to spread it, get a spreader and get the message out.
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Yeah.
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Tell your friends, tell your grandpa.
00:00:52
Speaker
Yeah, tell your grandpa.
00:00:54
Speaker
He really wants to come and listen to the Jerkoff podcast.
00:00:58
Speaker
We should just rename it to that at some point.
00:01:01
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When we get the cease and desist from whoever in England runs Paddington, we'll change it to the Jerkoff podcast.
00:01:08
Speaker
Yeah, we'll change it to J-O-P, jerk-off podcast.
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J-O-P.
00:01:15
Speaker
The job sounds like a slur, though, so maybe we shouldn't do that one.
00:01:19
Speaker
A-J-O-P?
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Speaker
That also kind of sounds bad.
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Speaker
Adam and I have a bit about saying words that aren't slurs, but if you say it a certain way, it's like... Oh, I forgot what the... Calling people slunt...
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Like slunt doesn't sound good.
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Speaker
It doesn't mean anything, but like nonsense word, there's a bunch of slunts here.
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I'll let the audience figure out what that means to them.
Fanbase Nicknames and Conspiracy Theories
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That's what we'll start calling all of our fans.
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Like, there are Swifties and then we have slunts.
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It's because we're sluts and we're cunts.
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Yeah.
00:02:02
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Joe, you said you had a tweet you wanted to bring up.
00:02:04
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Oh, yeah.
00:02:04
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So, I just saw this tweet that I thought that you'd appreciate.
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It's a picture of two men kissing and it says, and it says, we are the first gay guys to kiss at the hill that fucked up Jay Leno.
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We love you at Conan O'Brien.
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Ha!
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So I don't know if you're caught up on internet news, Paddington, Godfamil, but Jay Leno looks like someone beat the shit out of him.
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And actually, I do think that's what happened.
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But he says that he fell down a hill.
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And so now everyone, there's a lot, there's a conspiracy theory on Twitter that Jay Leno is faking an injury.
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So Conan will let his guard down and then like Jay Leno is going to try and kill him at the Oscars.
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I don't know.
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Twitter's a very strange place these days.
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It is.
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It is.
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But I've also seen a lot of people saying that it's like a Jay Leno uncut gems sort of situation.
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I think he's, I think it's a gambling thing for sure.
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You know, it makes sense.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he is also old as dirt, so it is entirely possible that motherfucker just fell.
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If he sort of like kind of tripped into a wall, it would look like someone beat the shit out of him.
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Yeah.
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Or if he like was like polishing one of his cars and like accidentally like slipped and hit his head.
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You're like, who knows?
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Who knows?
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Not me.
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Not us, said the bus.
Film Discussion: 'Anora' by Sean Baker
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Welcome to Paddington Gone Wild.
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Whether this is segment A or segment B, I couldn't tell you, but Zach and I are here.
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What's up, folks?
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And we're going to talk about Sean Baker's newest film, Onora.
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I call her Annie.
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He calls her Annie, and that's fine, and we can litigate that at a later time.
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But for right now...
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We're going to talk about Anora.
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Zach and I are actually in person.
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First time anybody from Paddington Go Wild is recorded in person, which is kind of crazy.
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So we're recording at my dining room table here in Waco, Texas.
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So yeah, let's go ahead and get started.
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Zach, what were your thoughts on Anora?
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I want to start off by saying this movie is like...
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Garnered so much film, bro.
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It's like the movie everyone's been waiting to see but can't see because it's on three screens across the country.
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So for the five-day run they finally had in San Antonio, I was seeded for it.
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I have only seen Florida Project from Sean Baker before this one.
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I had planned on trying to watch Red Rocket and Tangerine.
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Which, Red Rocket, I feel like is something we should still mention because... For sure.
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Same cinematographer.
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Yeah.
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I think the cinematography of this movie is one of the things that I was like... It's outstanding.
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Yeah, we're going to get into it.
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We'll get into it.
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It's unreal.
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Like, first reactions, Onora is... I'll say for me, it is my number one of the year.
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Okay.
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It overtook Challengers, which I also had on my list at number one.
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For a few different reasons.
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One of the reasons is this movie feels like a documentary in some ways.
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And I know that was very intentional from the filmmakers in a lot of ways.
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But I'm just glad this movie exists, generally.
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Like, whether or not, even if I thought it was good or not, just going to a movie that they made for $6 million and won the Pong Dora can, like...
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I want more movies like that and the cultural zeitgeist in general because we all have superhero fatigue.
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For sure.
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These big
Netflix Content Critique and New Anime 'Dandadan'
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budget...
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Fucking Netflix movies.
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Yeah, dude.
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I was just talking, this is not related, but I was talking to my mom the other night, and I was talking to both of my parents, and my dad was like, hey, I'm going to tell you about a movie so you can avoid it.
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And I was like, okay.
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And my mom was like, no, it was cute.
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And they told me about a Netflix movie called Hot Frosty.
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It's a new Netflix Christmas movie about a hot snowman.
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Is he related to Jack Nasty?
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He's got to be related to Jack Nasty.
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If he's not, then I'm suing him.
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um but i uh yeah my dad it has the one of the girls from mean girls like the the dark-haired girl for me i can't remember her name but she's in it um and that's the fucking trite that we're stuck with every day now it feels like and i totally agree with you for me this is like the funniest movie of the year
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Like, I laughed more in this.
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I could not believe how fucking funny it is.
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And it was so important for it to be funny.
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100%.
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Like, just for context, I went to this movie alone on like a Tuesday night or something.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I was seated between two pairs of girls.
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And this is not a spoiler because it's the opening shot of the movie.
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But the movie opens on a dolly zooming in on Mikey Madison's tits as a stripper performing a dance.
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And I'm a straight male.
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And Mikey Madison is a beautiful woman.
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A lot of beautiful women in this one.
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So many.
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Yeah.
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So naturally I was like, oh boy.
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Yeah.
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and sitting in between these groups and just like totally perving out.
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Of course.
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You know, just sitting alone.
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I was thinking about that, uh...
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What movie was it where the dude passed out just cranking it in a movie premiere?
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Do you know what I'm talking about?
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I know what you're talking about.
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I can't think of it.
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The only place my mind goes in porn theaters or movie theaters is The Departed.
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When he's in the porn theater and Jack Nicholson pulls out the fake dick.
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That's all I can think about, which is the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
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I want to say it was like, oh, I know what it was.
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It was Love Lies Bleeding.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If you've seen it, it's a crazy movie to crank into.
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Yeah, dude.
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That shit is wild.
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Yeah, he had like a pack of cigarettes and like a fucking drink next to him.
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And he was just like, we're like five minutes into Enora and I'm just sitting there alone like, yeah, this is kind of hot, man.
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Yeah, you're like crossing your legs.
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You're like, yeah.
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And so I'm just like...
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uncomfortably like into the movie but like self aware to the nth degree and then the jokes just start coming and once the jokes start hitting and you're like just laughing on the exact same beats as everyone else in the theater because it's just brilliantly written and hilarious then you're all just on the same page the tension just falls apart in the theater I'm in this world now 100% I also think it's so effective the comedy and we can talk about the ending later but like
00:08:42
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Again, I don't think it's a spoiler to say that a movie like this ends on kind of a hammer blow.
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Like it ends in a dark place.
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I was going to say, if you're listening to an Enora segment, I hope you've seen the movie.
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Please, please see it.
00:08:55
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Seek it out if it's available.
00:08:56
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I'll say right now, well, if you haven't seen it, just stop listening.
00:09:00
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Yeah.
00:09:01
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I don't really want to talk about this maybe without talking about the whole thing.
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Today we're talking about Dandadan, which is, so I was very excited.
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So when we decided that we were going to do this Splitsies episode, Red and I didn't have a thing to talk about.
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I was like, Red, you and I are the only two guys in the podcast that regularly watch anime.
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There's a new one that's coming out called Dandadan and I want to talk to you about it.
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And then Austin, just because he doesn't like the FOMO of Red and I talking about something that he doesn't know about, I was like, I'll watch it.
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And then we kept getting messages like, why is this so horny?
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Why is the grandma hot?
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Why is her boobs so big?
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All very accurate things.
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Those are true things about this show.
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But also, again, for anyone that is thinking about watching along with this episode, this is a strange place to start anime.
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I'll just say that.
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It's very horny.
00:10:01
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Well, let's just talk about it.
00:10:02
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Red, what did you think about Dandadan?
00:10:05
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I loved it.
00:10:08
Speaker
I had such a... I'm six episodes in.
00:10:10
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There's only eight currently on Netflix.
00:10:12
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There is currently 12 slated for this season on Netflix.
00:10:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's accurate.
00:10:18
Speaker
Yeah, and it's based on a manga written by Yuki Nobutatsu, who is the showrunner, creator, as well as wrote the manga.
00:10:27
Speaker
Mangaka, I think is the... Mangaka.
00:10:30
Speaker
Sure.
00:10:30
Speaker
I don't want to sound like a weeb.
00:10:32
Speaker
I am, but I don't want to sound like one.
00:10:33
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It's going to be really hard on this episode for us to not sound like weebs.
00:10:38
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Listener, for a little bit of context, before... I've been friends with Zach longer than I've been friends with Joe or Austin, but the first person who I obsessively talked about movies and media with was Joe.
00:10:52
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Just going into Pinewood Pub and drinking beers and talking about Michael Mann movies and Evangelion.
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And so it kind of instilled this bond very quickly.
00:11:03
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And it's an interesting thing talking about the horniness of this show.
00:11:10
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And it's really funny to recommend it to people or to talk about it because if you aren't familiar with what's happening in terms of
00:11:19
Speaker
the communication and the storytelling in anime.
00:11:23
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It's a visual language.
00:11:24
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Like it's, it's the same thing as like, if you watch a Marvel show, you're going to know, I know about what this is and what's happening.
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And I can kind of speak the language.
00:11:33
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Like Marvel fans are star Wars fans.
00:11:35
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Whenever a new show comes out, they can kind of like speak the language of the cameos and the, like the things that are happening in the background and references that are happening.
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Like for instance, in the first episode of Dan did in, uh,
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Momo's character does the Doflamingo walk, which is something from One Piece, but it's just something that a lot of the fans of the show would know, and most people who've never heard of an anime before would go, why is she walking weird?
00:12:04
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So it's an interesting world to break into, specifically now, because I feel like when Red and I were getting into anime, it was...
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I don't know.
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It was something you kind of stumbled upon.
00:12:16
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Yeah.
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And through internet recommendations or friend recommendations, I remember my first foray into it was I watched Avatar The Last Airbender, really fell in love with that show, loved it.
00:12:28
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And then a friend of mine goes, okay, so you know how The Last Airbender is kind of like anime?
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And I was like, I guess.
00:12:35
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I've never seen anything.
00:12:37
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I've never seen an anime.
00:12:38
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And he's like, okay, watch Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
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It's like...
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The Last Airbender, but a little bit darker and a little bit more edgier and for teenagers.
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And I was like, okay, sure.
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And I was like 15.
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So I was like, hell yeah.
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And then I watched it and went, holy shit, there's an entire world of stuff that I did not know existed.
00:12:57
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There's like thousands, probably millions hours of content that just like, I don't know, exist.
00:13:04
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And some of it is brilliant and some of it is slop.
00:13:07
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And that's just like the, because it's a different, just a different medium of storytelling.
00:13:12
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I think that's a big thing is that it's so easy to dismiss certain things or dismiss certain archetypes because of what you come to expect out of them.
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But
00:13:24
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Exactly like you said, Joe.
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I mean, it is just another visual medium.
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It is just another way of storytelling.
00:13:29
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It's going to hold up real quick before you get into this thought, which is very smart and astute.
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I want to say how funny it will be if our side of this conversation is intellectual and sort of a deep dive into anime as a genre.
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And then Austin and Zach are talking about Anora and talking about jacking off and stuff.
00:13:50
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So that's what I'm hoping is happening.
00:13:52
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I guess we'll see when we cut back and forth, but this is, it would be very kind of perfect that there's a lot of titty content in both of the subjects we're talking about this week.
00:14:02
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It's truly, truly true.
00:14:05
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No, go ahead.
00:14:06
Speaker
I was just going to say, but I love that you brought up Fullmetal Alchemist and brought up Brotherhood specifically, because I think for a lot of men of a particular age, Joe and I are both in our late 20s, is you get introduced to anime as you're someone who wants to dive into something a little bit darker, a little more interesting, something that you might have never seen before.
00:14:28
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And so there's a specific subset of there's probably about 50 to 60 shows, things like Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist, Neon Genesis Evangelion, one that Joe and I both recently recommended to Austin, Cowboy Bebop, all these shows that you get told about as, oh, you should really watch this because it's going to be right up your alley.
00:14:49
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Because they also have a lot of references in visual language to Western films and Western television.
00:14:56
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And then after you do that, you start to really dive in and you're like, what the fuck did all these people talk about with slice of life anime?
00:15:05
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Yeah, exactly.
00:15:07
Speaker
And then you watch something like K-On!
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and you're like, oh, there's not a weird... Where are the robots?
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah, where's the robots?
00:15:16
Speaker
Why am I crying?
00:15:19
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Deep, deep, deep family trauma and rejection.
00:15:22
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And instead it's like, this is just, it's great storytelling.
00:15:25
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Yeah, there's so many that like, I remember one that my friend got really into was Uran High School Host Club.
00:15:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:33
Speaker
I never got into that one, but like, it seems like just like a fun, goofy time.
00:15:37
Speaker
The thing that is funny about like Red and I talking about anime is that you mentioned that there's like a certain kinship form and we were like, okay, we can talk about anime and fucking Michael Mann movies.
00:15:48
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There is a very specific kind of bond forged between two guys that like anime and are also normal.
00:15:55
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Yeah.
00:15:57
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Because and I don't want to sound judgmental, but there are some people that I wouldn't talk about anime with with a 10 foot pole.
00:16:05
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Not in the slightest.
00:16:06
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And it's not a judgment on your character, but it is a judgment on your showering habits.
00:16:12
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And I can speak on this because I used to go to competitive melee tournaments and the Venn diagram of people who are annoying about anime and people who go to Smash tournaments are almost a circle.
00:16:24
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Yeah.
00:16:25
Speaker
You took the words right out of my mouth.
00:16:26
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I was literally about to say the exact same thing.
00:16:29
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It's a gnarly group of people.
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Because here's a problem.
00:16:33
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There are shows like Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion that are next level, psychological, deep into their philosophies and aesthetics.
00:16:45
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And then there are shows that are like, wait, how come my little sister is so cute?
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And you're like...
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I know that that's what you think anime is, but there's, I promise you there's other stuff.
00:16:56
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Yeah.
00:16:58
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Or whenever, have you ever had this experience where you recommend someone in anime and they're like, Hey, why is the main character 16 with a rack?
00:17:07
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Like a 40 or 35 year old woman.
00:17:11
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And you're like, I don't know what to tell you, man.
00:17:13
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Yeah.
00:17:14
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You just kind of look past it at a certain point.
00:17:17
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At a certain point, you just have to be like, I don't know.
00:17:20
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I mean, you look at norms and trends.
00:17:22
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And also, I think Dandedan is a perfect example.
00:17:26
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And I was about to bring up, and actually, what sold me on watching Dandedan was you saying, it's like Fooly Cooly.
00:17:34
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Yeah.
00:17:35
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And these are both anime that if you are not willing to meet them on their terms and you only look at the surface, you're like, hey, why is there sexualization of teenagers?
00:17:48
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And not considering that it can be through a comedic or a critical lens, through a lens of asking a question.
00:17:56
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Absolutely.
00:17:56
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Well, and also, I think a lot of the people that complain about the sexualization of teenagers in anime are also the same people that watch Euphoria.
00:18:04
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Yeah.
00:18:06
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To me, they're on the same level, except for I don't think Euphoria is a critique.
00:18:11
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I just think that Sam Levison is a fucking creep.
00:18:14
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Yeah.
00:18:15
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Oh, I agree.
00:18:15
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But I think that the thing...
00:18:19
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I think people have a big problem with animation as in the medium to tell stories for adults.
00:18:24
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And that's because it hasn't historically been used to tell stories to adults.
00:18:29
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But also, there's a way you can read media for high schoolers as an adult.
Anime's Storytelling and Cultural Nuances
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I'm not watching movies about high schoolers because it's horny.
00:18:42
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Yeah, not at all.
00:18:44
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Obviously, there's romance and sexuality in 10 Things I Hate About You.
00:18:47
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That's not why I'm watching it.
00:18:49
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And you can watch something that's about sexuality without participating in eroticism.
00:18:55
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You know what I mean?
00:18:56
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I think it's a refusal to meet anime at a certain level.
00:19:01
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And also, there are shows that are very pedophilic in nature, and you just don't watch those.
00:19:06
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Yeah, again, it is a medium.
00:19:08
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It is not a genre.
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In the same way that when somebody says an A24 movie, there might be things that you can associate with that, but it is not a genre.
00:19:17
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It is... Like, A24 is just a distribution studio.
00:19:22
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Like, there are things that... Like, you can't really compare the spectacular now to...
00:19:29
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something like I saw the TV glow in the same way that as much as I love to teen coming of age movies out of the entire, out of the entire eight, four, mids, mids, mids, there you go.
00:19:41
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And the spectacular now, or so that's a, that's a great, uh, that's much better.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:19:46
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Cause I was like, cause I, cause I, I was originally thinking through the lens of like, I saw the TV glow is really like, there's so much about gender dysphoria and self-discovery and all this thing, but you're right.
00:19:58
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Um,
00:20:01
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So we've talked a lot about the medium.
00:20:03
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Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like we have to set this up because so many people hear a conversation about anime and they're like, I don't care.
00:20:08
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I was like, I just want to give you a primer because I feel like this show is worth watching even if you don't like anime.
00:20:13
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Yeah.
00:20:14
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So I am just going to read the one sentence description on IMDb and then we'll kind of go into what actually is Dandadan.
00:20:24
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When Momo and Okaroon's beliefs clash, they're thrown into a world of ghosts, aliens, and awakened powers.
00:20:30
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So this is a show about two high school kids who become unlikely friends slash potentially a lot more who are kind of pitted against one another in the first episode because Okaroon, his actual name is Ken.
00:20:47
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is a kid who's obsessed with the occult, mostly aliens, and Momo is the daughter of essentially like a medium, a witch doctor.
00:20:59
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There's like a specific term they keep using for her grandmother.
00:21:02
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As someone, she has a lot of relationship with the dead, with these ancient ghosts, and it's really like a cool opportunity, especially, and this is one of the things that
00:21:15
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anime gets to do so well is speaking specifically to deep Japanese folklore.
00:21:23
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Oh yeah, it's really cool.
00:21:25
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And so they're kind of pitted against one another initially in the first episode, and this kind of sets up the rest of the show so far.
00:21:34
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The first episode is one of the most creative versions of a meet-cute I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:21:41
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So basically...
00:21:44
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This is an anime trope.
00:21:46
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It's a Japan trope, really, is lonely, isolated guy.
00:21:51
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Their word for it is hikikomori, which is just a guy that doesn't talk to anyone, that doesn't add anything to society because he's so reclusive.
00:22:00
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There's a lot of shows based on this phenomenon.
00:22:04
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Evangelion is about being hikikomori, realistically.
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But this show, Momo... Sorry.
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And Okaroon is obsessed with aliens.
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He never talks to anyone.
00:22:16
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People in his class make fun of him, but he is fine as long as he has his alien books.
00:22:21
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But then one day, Momo sees that he is being bullied and decides to take action because her ex-boyfriend just broke up with her and he was really shitty and a terrible person.
00:22:32
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She's like, I'm not going to let people be shitty anymore.
00:22:34
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I'm going to do something about it.
00:22:35
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So she goes and just sits down and talks to him for a second, which then he goes, oh, my God, a friend.
00:22:40
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Mm-hmm.
00:22:42
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And like he like lashes onto her and then they run out.
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He runs out of the hallway to like find her again and be like, I know why you wanted to talk to me because you're super into aliens like me.
00:22:51
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And then he shows her his conspiracy theory magazines of like, which have like fun, real conspiracy theories on them.
00:22:56
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If you like zoom in.
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And then she's like, I don't believe in aliens.
00:23:00
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And he goes, she's like, I do believe in ghosts though.
00:23:03
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And he's like, ghosts aren't real.
00:23:05
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So they both have this, like, they both believe in a weird thing, but they don't think the other person's is true.
00:23:11
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So then they go, she agrees to go to an alien hotspot and he agrees to go to a haunted overpass.
00:23:18
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Yeah.
00:23:39
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and manga, pitched this idea to Shonen Jump, and they said no at first, but then gave him the note, you need to read these shoujo romance mangas.
00:23:52
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you're telling a story that obviously is a romance.
00:23:54
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You have no idea how to write it.
00:23:55
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Here are a hundred shoujo manga.
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Read these romance manga, use it and retool your story.
00:24:03
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And so apparently the rumor is, is that he read all of these romance manga and now has created this show, which if that is true, it worked because it is one of the cutest romance shows I've ever seen in my life while also simultaneously being badass with great animation and super funny.
00:24:21
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Yeah.
00:24:21
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I mean, it has a great sense of humor.
00:24:25
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I think we have made a lot of jokes about it being very horny.
00:24:29
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The first episode is like there is... It really plays into a lot of those tropes, but again, I think it plays into it in the same way that the comedic side of Fooly Cooly does.
00:24:43
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Fooly Cooly really plays into a lot of that as kind of a treatise on...
00:24:49
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growing up and adulthood and feeling like you need to mature faster than you actually can or are but um really playing into like the silliness of it and the fan service of what you come to expect from anime and uh
00:25:07
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And it kicks off.
00:25:08
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And you were introduced to Turbo Granny.
00:25:11
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Which is a real Japanese legend of a granny that if she runs faster than you, she puts a curse on you or something.
00:25:19
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Yeah.
00:25:19
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I think that's the legend.
00:25:21
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But she also just happens to take Okaroon's entire package.
00:25:25
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Yep.
00:25:26
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She takes his dick and balls, all three of them.
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All of them gone.
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Just in a flash.
00:25:31
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And so then the show becomes about Momo and Okaroon trying to get Okaroon's balls back.
00:25:39
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And it's so sick.
00:25:41
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Yeah, it's awesome.
00:25:42
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It's very funny.
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It's charming.
00:25:44
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And it's I think that it's like it's one of those shows like when I was talking about the seventh curse on our Tubi episode and I was describing the plot to you and you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:25:58
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That's how it feels to describe the plot of this show to someone.
00:26:01
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It's like, okay, so then they fight Turbo Granny and then they basically kick Turbo Granny's ass by tricking her and then they turn Turbo Granny into a cat.
00:26:14
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But then mid-fight, she took his balls and threw them and they don't know where they are.
00:26:19
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So now she's a cat, but basically now they have to get his balls and the cat's there and she's helping them, but not because she wants to.
00:26:27
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And there's like a giant crab.
00:26:29
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Yeah, there's a giant crab that, and there's a giant mantis fish in episode eight that sings Chikatita by Abba while he's trying to kill them.
00:26:41
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And it, describing it, again, is a fever dream.
00:26:46
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But I think, and I texted Joe this, there's a moment specifically in episode four of Dandadan that is
00:26:55
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in the lineage of truly excellent action set pieces.
00:26:59
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Yeah.
00:27:00
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The kind of stuff where you, in the same way that we talk about a Michael Mann movie where we will pause a frame and you look, thinking about the lights over LA and heat and you just want to look at it for a long time and take it all in is...
00:27:19
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Episode four has an extended fight sequence that for anyone who's listening who's an anime fan, I described it as being in a similar lineage of unit one going berserk in Evangelion.
00:27:33
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Like a true like, oh shit, this is like kicking into hyperdrive in terms of its storytelling, in terms of the animation style, like it goes from like
00:27:43
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and a lot of anime does this, is when it comes to huge action set pieces is everything gets really crisp and really well animated and really beautiful.
00:27:53
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It's like a fun budget thing with anime.
00:27:55
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Oh, 100%.
00:27:56
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And then the moment it goes back to the otaku relationship or high school days, it's like, yeah, it's drawn well, but it's not hyper-fixated and it's not hyper-detailed.
00:28:10
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And it just like...
00:28:13
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it really, really sells this version of high octane, high action.
00:28:21
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There's also like a degree of one of the cooler things in anime, and it even reminds me of our conversation about the raid too, specifically of like different weapons, different modes of combat, all these different things where you're, you really get to like,
00:28:38
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look at something and go, oh, no, they wouldn't do that.
00:28:43
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And then you're like, oh, no, no, no, they're doing it.
00:28:45
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Like, she's going to use that, like, she's going to pick up a train and hit somebody with it.
00:28:52
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Like, this is going to, like, this is happening.
00:28:54
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It's cool every time.
00:28:55
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It's cool every fucking time.
00:28:59
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I'm really, really excited about it.
00:29:01
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The other thing that's really cool about Dan and Dan is that, yeah, you're talking about how when they get to the relationship part, a lot of times they slow down the animation quality.
00:29:09
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And there's a couple of scenes in this that are so sweetly attention to detail animated of when they're talking to each other.
00:29:16
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Like there's a scene in episode three where he like...
00:29:21
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he's like feeling kind of down about their relationship.
00:29:24
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Like, are they going to, they're going to be friends after this?
00:29:27
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Like, and she is sitting on the ground next to him and she just kind of scoots over a little bit and then leans her head on him.
00:29:34
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And it is so sweet.
00:29:36
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So cute.
00:29:37
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And it's really, really well animated with like this subtle kind of character animation.
00:29:42
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It's super, I feel like anime has gotten more and more inspired by Western's like visual language, which works for me as a guy that,
00:29:51
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fluently speaks western visual language uh and doesn't get the eastern visual language sometimes but yeah it it's i i mean honestly the the most of the things i have to say are man wasn't it good yeah it's it's a funny thing and i think maybe this is just an excuse for us to talk more about other anime that we like maybe offer some recommendations but like
00:30:16
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this is one of those shows that it's just like, just watch it.
00:30:19
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Just give it a go.
00:30:20
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Watch three episodes.
00:30:21
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Yeah.
00:30:22
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So this is a great, this is something the first three episodes premiered in theaters.
00:30:27
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So if you want a, like, is this for me?
00:30:30
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Is it not?
00:30:31
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Watch the first three.
00:30:32
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And if you don't like it, I get it, but also give it a shot.
00:30:36
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It's, it might be something fun and new for you to do, but also you might not like it.
00:30:40
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And that's totally fair.
00:30:41
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But yeah,
00:30:42
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Now that we've talked about Danny and recommended it to you, maybe we can talk about some other things that you also might like.
00:30:48
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Yeah, I mean, if you can't give like an hour to it, like they're 26 minute episodes and like four of those minutes are credits.
00:30:57
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Now I say credits.
00:30:59
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Don't fucking skip the opening sequence.
00:31:00
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Don't skip the opening, man.
00:31:01
Speaker
It's so damn good.
00:31:03
Speaker
It's a banger.
00:31:05
Speaker
The opening animation is so sick.
00:31:07
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It tells you a lot about what's coming.
00:31:09
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That's the other thing that's fun with the anime crowd is openings and closings are really important.
00:31:17
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And there's all timers.
00:31:18
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There's cowboy bebop.
00:31:19
Speaker
There's.
00:31:20
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Yeah.
00:31:22
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Fully cool.
00:31:23
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I mean, fully cool is the music all throughout is the reason why it's good.
00:31:27
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But yeah.
00:31:28
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Evangelion is like the cruel angels.
00:31:30
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This is like the number one.
00:31:33
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Every time they play the original opening of one piece, I cry.
00:31:36
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And they play it a lot.
00:31:39
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Yeah.
00:31:42
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Okay, here's a great opportunity, Joe.
00:31:44
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Yeah, what's up?
00:31:45
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You love One Piece.
00:31:47
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More than most things.
00:31:48
Speaker
You believe that the One Piece is real.
00:31:51
Speaker
One Piece is real.
00:31:53
Speaker
Make the pitch to both me and the listener of why we should consume, what is it, like 1,200 chapters of manga and almost 800 episodes of anime?
00:32:06
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Okay,
Anime Recommendations: 'One Piece' and 'Neon Genesis Evangelion'
00:32:07
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here we go.
00:32:07
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This is the distilled version of why you should read slash watch One Piece.
00:32:11
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I'm going to suggest you read it because you can read the equivalent of like 50 episodes in like two hours.
00:32:19
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And 50 episodes is a long time.
00:32:23
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Yeah.
00:32:24
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So I would suggest you read it at first.
00:32:26
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But here is why One Piece is good and why it works.
00:32:30
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It's a found family show, which everybody loves.
00:32:33
Speaker
But also it's this archetype of story that I love called Wandering Angel, where kind of like Doctor Who or Sherlock or...
00:32:44
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trying to think of James Bond, for example, wandering angel means that the main character stays the same.
00:32:51
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Doesn't really grow.
00:32:53
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They might learn a lesson, but they are who they are and they go and they wander through these scenarios and help the people living in the scenario, get out of the station that are currently living in a Mad Max, the road warrior, not the road warrior.
00:33:08
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Uh, what's the second one?
00:33:10
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The road warrior.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:13
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Okay, yeah, I'm thinking of the road warrior.
00:33:14
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The second one is this example.
00:33:16
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So Max is just this guy that's roaming around the desert, stumbles upon a people in need of help.
00:33:20
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They ask him for help.
00:33:20
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He says no, but he's a softie, so he helps them.
00:33:24
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One Piece is a story about a group of people that care so much about other people
00:33:31
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that they go from island to island and the whole thing is anti-capitalist, anti-regime, like breakdown of why every government hates poor people and why poor people should do acts of terrorism to their leaders.
00:33:56
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Luffy is, for all intents and purposes, a political terrorist.
00:34:01
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He... There's a really good meme that said, if you told Luffy about slavery and gave him a bucket of barbecue, he would destroy Mount Rushmore.
00:34:13
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So, like, it's hard to explain without giving, like, a big, long reasoning for, like, why every character is good.
00:34:21
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The story is just about helping people.
00:34:23
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And this is where Eastern and Western come together and sometimes don't mesh, but sometimes do.
00:34:30
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This is a Western, this is an Eastern narrative.
00:34:33
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This is not individualism.
00:34:35
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There's a little bit of that because all the characters have their own individual dreams, but they pursue their own individual dreams and
00:34:44
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In a way that is their friends first.
00:34:48
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They are each trying to help each other more than they're trying to help themselves.
00:34:53
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And the Eastern storytelling is that everybody solves the problem.
00:35:00
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Luffy is a hero in the sense that he delivers the biggest punch at the end.
00:35:06
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And he can deliver some big punches.
00:35:08
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Yeah, he punches people so hard the animation style changes sometimes.
00:35:13
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There is a specific scene in an island called Fishman, or an art called Fishman Island, where there's this group of people called the Celestial Dragons, and they're basically like a cabal of super rich people that run the planet from way up high in the air, and they keep Fishman as slaves, and they're
00:35:36
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It's basically a very underveiled message about how white rich people control everything.
00:35:45
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But Luffy, you don't touch them because they have the entire world government on their side.
00:35:50
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Like if you make them mad, you will get arrested and put away for life.
00:35:56
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They disrespect someone that Luffy loves very deeply.
00:36:02
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Disrespect with intent to kill.
00:36:04
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Luffy walks up to this guy and punches him so hard that it goes black and white for a few seconds.
00:36:13
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And that's when Luffy gets his like big bounty, like when he's worth the money that he's worth or whatever.
00:36:19
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But yeah, I don't know.
00:36:20
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It's just, it's a wonderful show.
00:36:22
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It's a, it's just about how loving each other and caring for each other is the thing that will ultimately make the world livable.
00:36:32
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and there's Luffy at one point tells his ship's sniper to shoot down the flag of the world government and I think that's pretty cool that's pretty sick it is very long and I'm sorry but you won't regret it literally it starts off good and every arc after the first one gets better
00:36:59
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I would say give it a try.
00:37:01
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Read the first full arc, and then if you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you.
00:37:05
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You're wrong.
00:37:08
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I also wanted to bring up One Piece because One Piece reminds me of my dear friend John who passed away last month, and he was the first person I knew who was obsessed with One Piece.
00:37:20
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One of my buddies recently passed away who kind of introduced me to One Piece.
00:37:24
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And guys like that are special because one, you know, they're committed.
00:37:28
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They're committed to you and they're committed to reading.
00:37:31
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If they want you to read one piece, they care about you.
00:37:33
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That's true.
00:37:34
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It's true.
00:37:35
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Because if they're willing to try to convince you to read 1,200 chapters of a manga, they love you.
00:37:44
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Especially if it's like, I don't know.
00:37:47
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It's hard to think about it without getting emotional because it's just like, it's a good
00:37:54
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I don't know.
00:37:56
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It was so wonderful at his funeral.
00:37:58
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Me and a bunch of friends that he introduced to One Piece were just in the back of his funeral when everybody was eating.
00:38:05
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We were just talking about One Piece and talking about things he would have loved.
00:38:09
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Things he still loves.
00:38:12
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We all decided that we have to finish so that we can tell them how it ends.
00:38:20
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It's a pretty powerful... It's one of the best-selling...
00:38:24
Speaker
mangas of all time, past Batman.
00:38:27
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It's a better selling comic book than Batman.
00:38:31
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It's a worldwide phenomenon, and it's something that I feel like everybody should at least give a try, because it's almost over, I think.
00:38:38
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And so if you get in now, you can probably catch up before the end.
00:38:44
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I have no idea what almost over means for One Piece, 1,200 chapters in, but you know... There's probably about 300, 400, 500 more chapters, but that's...
00:38:52
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That's almost over.
00:38:53
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That's light work in comparison.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:57
Speaker
The entirety of the last arc of One Piece, the Wano arc, the one that kind of made everybody start caring about it again because the animation went berserk, that arc, just the episodes of this particular arc of the story was longer than the original run of Naruto.
00:39:16
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Yeah.
00:39:22
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and it's one of the greatest stories ever told.
00:39:29
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Fuck off, Jesus.
00:39:31
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Sorry to Jesus if you're listening.
00:39:33
Speaker
No, Luffy and Jesus would be chill.
00:39:35
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I bet you they would.
00:39:37
Speaker
Do you think Luffy's a Christian, or do you think he just would be chill with Jesus?
00:39:40
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I think Luffy is whatever religion the last person who gave him food is.
00:39:46
Speaker
You know what?
00:39:47
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He kind of bases his entire worldview on if you can give him some food to eat.
00:39:51
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Yeah.
00:39:55
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Fair.
00:39:55
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So, yeah.
00:39:56
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But Luffy's my best friend, personal, close personal best friend.
00:40:00
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I know him in real life and he loves me and I love him.
00:40:02
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And there's legitimately days where I'm thinking, I don't want to do this thing that I know will be better for me, but I'm lazy.
00:40:09
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And I think to myself, would Luffy be proud of you for being lazy?
00:40:13
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And I say, no, he wouldn't.
00:40:15
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And then I would, I pick myself up and I do it for Luffy.
00:40:18
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That's my guy.
00:40:19
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Allow me to make a recommendation of an anime that also features one of my close personal friends, Misato Katsuragi.
00:40:28
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Joe and I bonded over Evangelion.
00:40:30
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I mentioned that at the beginning.
00:40:31
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I wrote like a 27-page paper in college about Evangelion.
00:40:36
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It is...
00:40:38
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really special.
00:40:40
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And it's a lot easier to describe in many ways than Dan to Dan because it falls into, and this is, again, something that's really fun and really cool.
00:40:50
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And I know on this podcast especially, we love to talk about how we kind of hate this current era of Marvel movies.
00:40:57
Speaker
But it does something that
00:41:01
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superhero movies get to do, that movies like Heat get to do, is take a genre that you can describe in an elevator pitch, and then once you watch it, how does it subvert that?
00:41:13
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How does it add depth and meaning to it?
00:41:16
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And so the elevator pitch is there are these creatures called angels.
00:41:22
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They are world destroyers.
00:41:23
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They can do immense amounts of damage, kill millions of people at once, and they will bring about the end of all of human civilization.
00:41:30
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And there are these things called Ava's, which are giant robots, ostensibly from what you know at the first two episodes.
00:41:39
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And they can only be piloted by 14 year olds.
00:41:43
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This is a trope for mecha anime, just to let you know that every single mecha anime, it's like they can only be piloted by children for some reason.
00:41:50
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Yeah.
00:41:51
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They can only be piloted by children for some reason.
00:41:53
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All of the children have trauma.
00:41:56
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All of the all of the frankly, every character in Evangelion is just filled to the brim with daddy issues and abandonment issues and trauma.
00:42:04
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And it's one of the most Freudian shows of all time.
00:42:06
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Just going to slip that into.
00:42:08
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Yeah, it is.
00:42:09
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It is seeped like a teabag in Freudian psychoanalysis.
00:42:14
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A friend of the pod in their graduate level psychology class heard about Ava and they texted me like, can we watch this show?
00:42:23
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I know you love it.
00:42:25
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And I was like, I don't know if you're prepared for this.
00:42:26
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And we got three episodes in and they went, you know what?
00:42:29
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Yeah, you're right.
00:42:30
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Like, this is this was exactly what was advertised in this course.
00:42:35
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It is.
00:42:37
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And it's just amazing.
00:42:39
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It is Hideaki Anno, the creator of Evangelion, is a genius.
00:42:47
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Joe and I have drank probably nine million beers and spent lifetimes talking about how much we love him.
00:42:56
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And it really is...
00:43:00
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It's a funny thing of when you tell somebody, okay, so there's 26 episodes in a movie, but then there's also four more movies.
00:43:09
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But then if you really wanted to, you could read a manga that's like 35 chapters and you could watch two more movies.
00:43:16
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But the two movies that you could watch are really this, that, and the other thing.
00:43:19
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It sounds like it's an intense amount to watch.
00:43:22
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But the beauty of it is...
00:43:25
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If you watch all of Evangelion, which if I could recommend it, here's how I would watch it.
00:43:32
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Yeah.
00:43:33
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Watch it as everything came out.
00:43:35
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Watch the first 26 episodes.
00:43:36
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They're currently on Netflix.
00:43:37
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I don't love the dub that's currently on Netflix, but... It's better than nothing, and it's hard to find the original dub.
00:43:44
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Yes.
00:43:45
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watch the first 26 episodes, then watch the end of Evangelion, which still to this day is one of my favorite movies of all time.
00:43:50
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It's one of the best movies ever made.
00:43:53
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Not even anime, just straight up one of the best movies ever made.
00:43:55
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However, it is one of those movies that starts hoping that you have seen the rest of the show.
00:44:01
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Yes.
00:44:03
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Yes.
00:44:04
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I mean, like, to put it in perspective, it was on multiple people's sight and sound top ten lists this last year, actually, and the ten years before it was also a multiple people's sight and sound list.
00:44:14
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It is, it's totemic, to put it.
00:44:19
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Yeah.
00:44:19
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As blankly as I can.
00:44:20
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And it's like Evangelion is is so inundated in culture that it's like it's I mean, they reference it and fucking they do the Evangelion kick in Adventure Time.
00:44:31
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You know, like they do a bunch of stuff from the show across all sorts of it's like Akira.
00:44:37
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Like there's like 45 different examples of people doing the bicycle slide from Akira across all medium.
00:44:43
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It's the same thing with Evangelion.
00:44:45
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Yeah.
00:44:46
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And after you've watched any of Evangelion, take a break.
00:44:49
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You need it.
00:44:50
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You're going to need it.
00:44:51
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You're going to need it.
00:44:51
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And then watch the rebuilds.
00:44:53
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But Joe and I are both huge rebuilds defenders.
00:44:58
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Yeah, I will defend them to the day I die.
00:44:59
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Yeah, one of my favorite films of 2023 was Evangelion 3.0 plus 1.1.
00:45:05
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It was my number one of the year.
00:45:08
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just a really life-changing piece of media.
00:45:11
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So here's what I'll say.
00:45:13
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The reason to watch each iteration of Evangelion is because Evangelion has three endings.
00:45:19
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There's the ending, but, okay, I'll just say the ending from the original 26 episodes,
00:45:25
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End of Evangelion takes the last chunk of episodes and retells the story with a different ending.
00:45:31
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And then the Evangelion rebuilds, start the same, branch off after the second movie, and then become completely different.
00:45:38
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And then the fourth movie is also a completely different ending.
00:45:42
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However, every single ending builds off the last one, and they work in a complete three arc story.
00:45:48
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Yeah.
00:45:50
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That starts with a person taking out all of their... taking out grief and depression and anger at the world and at the state of the world and kind of processing through that psychoanalysis-wise, like Freudian style in the show.
00:46:11
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The movie is an angry response to the...
00:46:18
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fan and critical response to the original show.
00:46:22
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And then the rebuild movies are a movie where a man who has finally come to terms with his mental health retells the story of his trauma through the lens of getting better.
00:46:34
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Yeah.
00:46:36
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And that is my biggest sell on those Rebuild movies.
00:46:40
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It's like, you want to watch Hideaki Anno actually get better.
00:46:44
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Yes.
00:46:45
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You want to watch it, and it's in those movies.
00:46:47
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You can see it.
00:46:49
Speaker
It might be the greatest...
00:46:53
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argument for why you cannot separate art from the artist, which I don't even fully agree with for a lot of things.
00:46:58
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I think there are some things that you can do that with.
00:47:00
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And maybe that's me being selective because I still want to listen to Brand New or Kanye West.
00:47:06
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There's artists where they're so singular.
00:47:09
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Hideaki Anno is a person who, in every frame of everything they've ever done, they're in it.
00:47:15
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But someone like Sidney Lumet,
00:47:18
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is one of the best directors of all time.
00:47:20
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However, he's a chameleon and he can direct in any style.
00:47:23
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He's just super talented.
00:47:25
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But you could totally separate 12 Angry Men from Sidney.
00:47:29
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You can't really, but you can picture 12 Angry Men without thinking of Lou May.
00:47:34
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You can think of the performances.
00:47:35
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You can think of the writing, whatever.
00:47:37
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Hideaki Anno is in every single frame of all of the Evangelion things.
00:47:42
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Yeah.
00:47:43
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Yeah.
00:47:44
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I mean, he's also a fantastic live action director.
Sean Baker's Filmmaking Techniques and Character Portrayals
00:47:47
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If you've ever watched Shin Godzilla, it's right now it's number two to Godzilla minus one, uh,
00:47:56
Speaker
Was it minus one or zero?
00:47:57
Speaker
Minus one.
00:47:58
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Minus zero was the black and white.
00:47:59
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Yeah, that's why I got confused.
00:48:00
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Godzilla minus zero is otherworldly.
00:48:02
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I sobbed in the theater to that movie.
00:48:04
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But Shin Godzilla is one of the coolest modern Godzilla movies ever made.
00:48:08
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And both of those movies do the best possible thing with Godzilla, which is where the people parts are also interesting.
00:48:14
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But they're interesting for different ways.
00:48:16
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Godzilla Minus One was about the human spirit and coming together to face impossible odds.
00:48:21
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But the human characters in Shin Godzilla are a story about how bureaucracy will kill the world before any sort of nuclear giant lizard can.
00:48:30
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Yeah, which gets to speak to the long history and long tale, actual tale of Godzilla.
00:48:40
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Yeah, I mean, I think and I think we will continue on this podcast to recommend great anime.
00:48:46
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We could probably do.
00:48:47
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And I think at some point we will have to start doing something where we're publishing lists.
00:48:52
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We have to do an anime episode because I want to talk to Austin about some fucking weird that I can show him.
00:48:59
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I want to pick the most fucked up one to show Austin.
00:49:03
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I don't know.
00:49:04
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I don't even know what that would be.
00:49:06
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I think he's seen a couple of Satoshi cones.
00:49:08
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So that's kind of like an ease.
00:49:09
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Like that's a little bit of an answer.
00:49:10
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That's fucked up for adults.
00:49:11
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I want the fucked up shit.
00:49:13
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That's like, um, you turn on an adult swim at midnight and you're like, Hey, what's the fuck is going on?
00:49:19
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Maybe we should just get a watch like Space Dandy or something like or like Bobo Bobo Bobo or something like something that's a fucking classic, man.
00:49:26
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Yeah.
00:49:27
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I mean, that's also a classic of our age of like being like we are of the age that we remember when it came out and when it hit Toonami like and going, whoa, why is this the funniest thing I've ever seen in my entire life?
00:49:38
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Yeah.
00:49:39
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Like just absolutely incredible.
00:49:41
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Yeah, we'll see.
00:49:42
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Watch anime.
00:49:43
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Yeah, if I could give just a quick rundown of the ones that mean the most to me that you should watch is you should watch Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, if you haven't.
00:49:52
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Cowboy Bebop.
00:49:54
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I still think about the ending almost every day.
00:49:56
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Yep.
00:49:57
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Mob Psycho 100, one of the best stories ever told.
00:50:01
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And Evangelion, but we've already talked about that one.
00:50:06
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I think Brotherhood is absolutely up there as a classic of the genre.
00:50:12
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I do also think we've talked a lot about Full Metal Alchemist.
00:50:15
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We've mentioned Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood multiple times.
00:50:18
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There is also the original series.
00:50:20
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It's also good.
00:50:21
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I like both of them.
00:50:22
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For different reasons.
00:50:23
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I think Brotherhood is the superior product, but...
00:50:27
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I think they're both worth your time.
00:50:30
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If you're going to start with one, you should start with Brotherhood, though.
00:50:32
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Maybe go back and re-appreciate the original.
00:50:35
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Yeah, absolutely.
00:50:37
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Evangelion, as we just waxed poetic about.
00:50:39
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Fooly Cooly, which Fooly Cooly is six episodes.
00:50:42
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Don't watch any of the reboot stuff, or not reboot, but the sequel stuff.
00:50:44
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Don't watch it.
00:50:45
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Fuck it.
00:50:45
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It doesn't matter.
00:50:46
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It's six episodes.
00:50:46
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You can blow through it in two and a half hours.
00:50:50
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I do a re-watch every single year of Fooly Cooly.
00:50:54
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Um...
00:50:55
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because it just is... The animation's awesome.
00:50:58
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The music's awesome.
00:50:59
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It's really fun.
00:51:00
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I also am a huge Bebop fan.
00:51:02
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It's an all-timer.
00:51:05
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One of my favorites.
00:51:07
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I have the Blu-ray for the original episode run, and also I have the Blu-ray of the movie on my shelf somewhere.
00:51:15
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And that's on physical media, baby.
00:51:18
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Yeah, we're going to find some excuses to talk about anime.
00:51:20
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We'll find some excuses to shoot the shit more about this stuff because it's just really fun.
00:51:25
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And it is, like all of cinema, it's just, you're always scratching the surface and digging into more stuff.
00:51:34
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And there's a million blind spots.
00:51:36
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Mob Psycho 100 is a blind spot for me.
00:51:38
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Never seen a single episode.
00:51:40
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But... You're going to love it.
00:51:41
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The people I know who, like...
00:51:43
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love this genre and live by it, tell me, hey man, you're really going to love this.
00:51:48
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And so I'm excited to watch it.
00:51:49
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I'm excited to give it a chance.
00:51:50
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I'm excited to finish Dan to Dan when it eventually finishes.
00:51:53
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There's four more episodes that are going to release.
00:51:55
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Definitely going to get it.
00:51:57
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It's definitely going to keep going because the response online has been truly insane.
00:52:01
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It's like the number five show on Netflix like globally right now.
00:52:05
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Like it's going nuts.
00:52:09
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Joe, any last things before we get to our favorite part of the show?
00:52:15
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No.
00:52:16
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No, I don't.
00:52:19
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I watched it.
00:52:20
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It's on Netflix.
00:52:21
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It's also on Crunchyroll.
00:52:23
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Oh, nice.
00:52:24
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But Crunchyroll is the place to stream anime if you're not going to do it illegally, which most people do.
00:52:29
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Or, actually, hold on, there was one that I forgot to mention.
00:52:33
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If you want to get
00:52:35
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really into the avant-garde and you want to get into something that's really upsetting and pretty dark and really interesting, I could not recommend Serial Experiments Lane more highly.
00:52:43
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Oh my god.
00:52:44
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Yeah.
00:52:46
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That's one of the best.
00:52:47
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That was surprisingly prescient about how today is.
00:52:51
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It's a show about internet isolationalism.
00:52:55
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I just fucking butchered that word.
00:52:57
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But yeah, it's about how the internet separates us and keeps us apart.
00:53:02
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Yeah.
00:53:03
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It's great.
00:53:04
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That actually might be one that we force Zach and Austin to watch because I think that'd be really interesting.
00:53:10
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Agreed.
00:53:11
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Yeah.
00:53:13
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We're going to get to the... Give me a high and a low, bud.
00:53:15
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Yeah.
00:53:16
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So my low... Let me think.
00:53:21
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I thought I had a low locked and loaded, and I don't really know if I do right now.
00:53:26
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You also did.
00:53:29
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Yeah.
00:53:30
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I think I just... I watched a lot of really good stuff.
00:53:33
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been having a lot of fun and getting to like kind of correct some blind spots.
00:53:38
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I'm trying to think if there's any significant lows.
00:53:44
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This is not actually a low.
00:53:45
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It's actually kind of a high, but the stuff that's been around it is Matt Gates is not going to get to be the attorney general of the United States.
00:53:52
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Yeah, super cool.
00:53:54
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I laughed out loud when I saw the headline.
00:53:56
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That was so funny.
00:53:58
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Fuck anybody who defends Matt Gaetz.
00:53:59
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That guy is an actual piece of human garbage.
00:54:03
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And it's not enough.
00:54:04
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It wasn't enough for him to be a pedophile.
00:54:06
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He had to be such a cringy pedophile.
00:54:09
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Did you see the Venmo receipts?
00:54:10
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Oh my God, dude.
00:54:11
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He paid these young women for just being you and being my friend.
00:54:16
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But they were like $500.
00:54:18
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Being a 16-year-old girl and receiving a $500 Venmo payment from Matt Gaetz that says, for just being awesome...
00:54:24
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That, oh my God, that's so cringy.
00:54:28
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Like, that's like, it's not worse than being a pedophile.
00:54:31
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I'm not gonna, I'm gonna preface that, that being the pedophile is the bad part, but like, dude, that makes me want to fucking give you a wedgie.
00:54:40
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
00:54:41
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I wish that he would go to prison so that someone, some big dude in prison would beat the shit out of him for being a pedophile.
00:54:48
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Oh, God.
00:54:49
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I would love nothing more.
00:54:52
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I am going to give two honorable mention highs because neither of them are films.
00:54:57
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The first is the New Father John Misty record, which I have to make sure I look up the name because I don't want to say it wrong.
00:55:08
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It's in here.
00:55:08
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Oh, Mahash Mishana is the name of the New Father John Misty record.
00:55:14
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Screamland is my favorite track off of it.
00:55:16
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It is awesome.
00:55:17
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It's a fantastic record.
00:55:21
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I like Father John Misty, but he was not a guy who I had really sat down and given a ton of time to.
00:55:26
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But this record is so good that I can't wait to go back and really dig into the discography.
00:55:32
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So really looking forward to that.
00:55:33
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I actually listened to it mostly at the ravings of Joe, that it kind of inspired me.
00:55:39
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The other honorable mention high I want to talk about is one that I saw just today.
00:55:43
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It's something called the Cool Hand series.
00:55:46
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I posted about it on my Instagram story because Celine Song just recently showed her film Past Lives to a group of incarcerated individuals.
00:55:54
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The Cool Hand series is creating an opportunity to provide art to incarcerated individuals, both in the sense of art they get to engage with.
00:56:04
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They try always to have a Q&A with somebody involved, either in the play that they're watching or the film that they're seeing, to create an even more tactile feeling and also to help
00:56:16
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give them an opportunity to connect with somebody and see what, what it might be like to create art when they are on the other side, or even while they're still incarcerated,
00:56:27
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and also giving them opportunities to perform plays and be involved.
00:56:31
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So really, really cool.
00:56:33
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I'm going to be donating come Giving Tuesday to them.
00:56:38
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That's going to be where my donation goes to because I really believe in it.
00:56:41
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Incarcerated individuals mean a lot to me and my personal and family history.
00:56:46
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So really, really cool.
00:56:49
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My actual high of this week, because I do want to talk about a film, is I finally...
00:56:56
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Checked off a huge blind spot and I watched the Coen brothers, a serious man.
00:57:00
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What a movie, man.
00:57:02
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Which is, you know, we talked about Evangelion early.
00:57:05
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Talk about deeply dark and nihilistic views on the world.
00:57:10
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And weirdly Jewish.
00:57:12
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Weirdly Jewish.
00:57:14
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Not a bad way, but even I'm just throwing this out there.
00:57:16
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This is not an indictment on the on Judaism.
00:57:20
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I'm a big fan of Judaism.
00:57:22
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We love that.
00:57:23
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We love the Jews here.
00:57:25
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Evangelion is weirdly steeped in Jewish folklore for a show about and for Japanese people.
00:57:31
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Oh, yeah.
00:57:31
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Oh, yeah.
00:57:33
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It's very strange.
00:57:34
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It's very steeped in Jewish mysticism.
00:57:36
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And then also randomly so much crucifixion imagery.
00:57:40
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So that when you ask Hedekiano about it, he's like, oh, I thought it looked cool.
00:57:45
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Yeah.
00:57:45
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So, you know, it's something special.
00:57:49
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He's like, where did Evangelion come from?
00:57:50
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And he's like, I don't know.
00:57:50
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I thought it was a cool word.
00:57:52
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I liked Ultraman, and sometimes he does the cross, and so I put that in the show.
00:57:59
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I can't believe you almost said T-pose.
00:58:01
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Me too.
00:58:03
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But a serious man is fucking awesome.
00:58:06
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Cy Abelman is one of the greatest characters in the history of cinema.
00:58:11
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One of my favorite memes about A Simple Man or A Serious Man was the Ant-Man.
00:58:18
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It was like the Avengers League and it said, Cy Abelman, I need you to distract Kang.
00:58:24
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Every Cy Abelman meme rules.
00:58:27
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A Serious Man is currently on the Criterion Channel and it's streaming a bunch of different places.
00:58:33
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The Criterion Channel is doing a big retrospective on some Coen Brothers films and every single one that's in that collection is fucking awesome.
00:58:41
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Awesome.
00:58:41
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Hot Sucker Proxy, Miller's Crossing.
00:58:45
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I think Lebowski's in there.
00:58:47
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No Country's in there, right?
00:58:48
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No Country's in there.
00:58:48
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Inside Llewyn Davis is in there.
00:58:50
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Rip Cormac McCarthy's legacy.
00:58:54
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Yeah.
00:58:55
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But also fuck that writer for being the worst writer of all time.
00:58:58
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Just a terrible article.
00:59:00
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But also it is a moment of which you're like, oh man.
00:59:03
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But then also if you read Suchery and you don't go, this guy's kind of fucked.
00:59:08
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Maybe you aren't paying enough attention.
00:59:10
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Yeah, A Serious Man.
00:59:11
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Fucking rules.
00:59:12
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Michael Stuhlbarg.
00:59:14
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Next level performance.
00:59:15
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And a great Richard Kind performance.
00:59:17
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Oh my gosh, yeah.
00:59:19
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Richard Kind having his fucking moment right now, which is so sick.
00:59:23
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We love Richard Kind.
00:59:24
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What's your high and low?
00:59:26
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My low of the week was that I finally listened to a Gracie Abrams song.
00:59:31
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They stink.
00:59:32
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She's not good.
00:59:34
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It's Trader Joe's music.
00:59:35
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It's really Trader Joe's music.
00:59:37
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It really sucks.
00:59:39
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And I feel bad.
00:59:40
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Here's the thing.
00:59:41
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I love most of the new lady pop stars that are right now.
00:59:46
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Chapel, maybe her interactions with the press have been a little annoying recently.
00:59:51
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The music's really good.
00:59:53
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Olivia Rodrigo, big fan.
00:59:54
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Sabrina Carpenter, I love the lady.
00:59:57
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That's that me espresso.
00:59:59
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Gracie Abrams, it's just not quite it.
01:00:02
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She's got no juice.
01:00:03
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The songwriting is all bad.
01:00:05
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Her voice is fine.
01:00:06
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She has the same juice her dad has, which is pretty good at copying things that look good when other people do them.
01:00:16
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Yeah.
01:00:17
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Yeah.
01:00:18
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And no disrespect to JJ, I love your Star Trek movies.
01:00:23
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I love The Pilot of Lost.
01:00:26
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The Pilot of Lost is good.
01:00:29
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I like... You know what?
01:00:31
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Fuck it.
01:00:31
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I liked The Force Awakens.
01:00:33
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It was literally just... It was just a new hope over again.
01:00:38
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But this is... Perfectly likable film.
01:00:41
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The indictment on JJ is not that he's a bad filmmaker.
01:00:44
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It's that he just doesn't do anything besides being likable.
01:00:47
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Yeah.
01:00:49
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Everything he's ever done is just being like, yeah, what if I... Do you guys like Steven Spielberg?
01:00:54
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Do you guys like George Lucas?
01:00:55
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I could be like them.
01:00:56
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So how about Super 8, which is basically a Steven Spielberg movie without any of the Spielberg juice?
01:01:02
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That movie stinks.
01:01:03
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That movie's like actively bad.
01:01:06
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And it's like weirdly conservative.
01:01:08
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Yeah.
01:01:10
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Because like if you watch E.T.
01:01:11
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versus Super 8, like in E.T., there's literally a shot where the government agent looks like the scariest fucking thing you've ever seen.
01:01:22
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Yeah.
01:01:24
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And Super 8 does not share the same disdain for the government.
01:01:27
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No.
01:01:29
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But alas, I will say since Red shouted out the other album that came out on Friday, I will shout out Kendrick Lamar's surprise album.
01:01:40
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GNX, was that what it was?
01:01:42
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I think so.
01:01:43
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I'll be honest, I haven't listened to it yet.
01:01:45
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It's truly fantastic.
01:01:46
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He disses Drake once, one more time.
01:01:50
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Just one more.
01:01:51
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Because Drake... You know, Kendrick has a series where he's releasing The Heart Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
01:01:57
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And then Drake released a diss track called The Heart Part 6 that was like...
01:02:02
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you know, supposed to be a district.
01:02:03
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Kendrick just put out the heart part six on this album.
01:02:06
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He just did one anyway.
01:02:07
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Cause he was like, fuck you.
01:02:08
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Um, so that's cool.
01:02:12
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I really like it when Drake fails.
01:02:15
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I don't, I don't, I don't like that guy.
01:02:17
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I hope he and Millie Bobby Brown the best.
01:02:19
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Um,
01:02:25
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But my real high of the week is a blind spot like red.
01:02:30
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Austin Powers, the international man of mystery.
01:02:33
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I'd never seen this movie before.
01:02:34
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I'd never seen it.
01:02:35
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I loved it.
01:02:37
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Austin Powers is a consent king.
01:02:40
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He is.
01:02:40
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A woman basically throws.
01:02:42
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He's been trying to sleep with this woman the whole movie.
01:02:43
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And then she throws herself at him while she's drunk.
01:02:46
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And he goes, no, baby, it's not right.
01:02:50
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It's it's like it.
01:02:54
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It fucking rules.
01:02:55
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It's so good.
01:02:56
Speaker
Have you watched the Spy Who Shagged Me yet?
01:02:58
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No, it's next up.
01:03:00
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I'm getting ready to watch all three of them.
01:03:01
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I think the Spy Who Shagged Me is even better.
01:03:03
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I think that the bit of him getting the car stuck perpendicular to the tunnel is one of the funniest visual gags I've ever seen in my entire life.
01:03:13
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I think I woke Matty up laughing at that.
01:03:15
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It also knows that the funniest thing that you can do in a bit, and you've said this on the podcast, is go on too long.
01:03:22
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Yeah.
01:03:25
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One of my favorite movies of all time is Wet Hot American Summer, and they mastered the ability to do a joke so many times that it becomes not funny, and then to keep doing it more until it becomes funny once again.
01:03:41
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Oh, excuse me.
01:03:41
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I just burped into the mic.
01:03:43
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It's like Horseshoe Theory, but not weird.
01:03:45
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Yeah.
01:03:48
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Well, I think that's all we have for you, ladies and gentlemen, today.
01:03:51
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Joe, I had a blast.
01:03:53
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This is really fun.
01:03:54
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Yeah, the Red and Joe solo fuck around.
01:03:59
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Yeah, we should start doing some more of these where we each just kind of rotate who we're going to do a solo fuck around with.
01:04:06
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Yeah, me and Austin are going to rehash Southland Tales again.
01:04:11
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That would be the greatest hour of podcasting in the history of the media.
01:04:14
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Just two guys, one of us who loves the movie, one of us who hates the movie, both virulently trying to convert the other person.
01:04:22
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I need Austin to get really drunk on whiskey to really access all that Irish hatred inside his gut.
01:04:27
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Like, I need it.
01:04:29
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I need it.
01:04:30
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Joe, I love you.
01:04:31
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Love you, bud.
01:04:32
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Listener, I love you.
01:04:34
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Thanks for hanging.
01:04:35
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And we love Zach and Austin, even though they're not here.
01:04:38
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We do love Zach and Austin.
01:04:39
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Bye.
01:04:40
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Bye.
01:04:40
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Yeah, maybe tune out.
01:04:42
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Go listen to Red and Joe talk about horny anime.
01:04:46
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Don to Don happens to be much more accessible.
01:04:48
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Yeah, it kind of is.
01:04:50
Speaker
It kind of is.
01:04:51
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If you have a Netflix account.
01:04:52
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Very similarly exciting openings.
01:04:55
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The first episode of Don to Don opens in an insane way.
01:04:59
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Also a very sexually explicit way.
01:05:02
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I will say I've seen the first three episodes, and this is not our segment, but do watch Donna.
01:05:08
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Yeah, Donna rules.
01:05:10
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I've watched the first five, I believe.
01:05:11
Speaker
Turbo Granny is alive and well.
01:05:13
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Yeah, Turbo Granny, it lives in our hearts, if not on the screen.
01:05:17
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This isn't... We're not the Don't It On segment, but we will talk about it real quickly because I do want to make it known that this movie, besides Joe recommending it, was recommended to me by a 12-year-old student in one of my classes.
01:05:29
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Oh, incredible.
01:05:30
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Holy shit.
01:05:31
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And based on what I had heard from Joe and others before watching it... You're like, what happened here?
01:05:36
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I hadn't seen it yet when he recommended it to me.
01:05:38
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I was like, buddy...
01:05:42
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That's not appropriate.
01:05:43
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And he's like, yeah, Mr. Roberts, like, we... You know that I watch, like, all these other animes.
01:05:49
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Like, you know what I've seen before.
01:05:50
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I'm like, I'm not...
01:05:52
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endorsing that though for sure it's not for you to endorse i mean i'll say like as a person who has very little anime experience i'm not an expert like i my the the longest i've ever is like avatar like avatar and like legend of core like i've seen all those which is like an american's intro to anime there are people that might be listening to this that are pissed off
01:06:14
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For sure, and that's totally fine, but all I mean is it gets you into the animation style, and I've seen a lot of anime movies, just the anime TV shows are not mine.
01:06:23
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Yeah, I'm kind of in the exact same boat as you where I've seen most Ghibli movies, other movies in anime that aren't Ghibli, and then the only...
01:06:32
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real series that I've committed to and watched through is Cowboy Bebop.
01:06:36
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Yeah.
01:06:36
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Just because cyberpunk jazz noirs highly appeal to me.
01:06:41
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Pretty sick.
01:06:42
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Yeah.
01:06:42
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It's pretty sick.
01:06:43
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We love to see it.
01:06:45
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But I... Yeah, so I'll say, like, you know, disclaimer there, but...
01:06:50
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I was warned by Joe in particular that this series would be tough to get into.
01:06:56
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And I actually did not find it that tough to get into.
01:06:58
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Helpfully, I watched The Sub, which is really good on Netflix.
01:07:02
Speaker
I watched The Dub.
01:07:03
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Okay.
01:07:06
Speaker
Or no, I watched The Dub.
01:07:07
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I'm sorry.
01:07:08
Speaker
I watched The Dub.
01:07:08
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I'm so stupid.
01:07:10
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I literally get them mixed up in my head.
01:07:11
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I watched The Dub.
01:07:12
Speaker
I watched it in English, which was helpful.
01:07:14
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Yeah.
01:07:16
Speaker
It's a good dub.
01:07:16
Speaker
It's a really good dub.
01:07:17
Speaker
It's a really... Turbo Granny, again, fucking chef's kiss, amazing.
01:07:22
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But we'll leave that to them.
01:07:26
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Let's talk about... I told the listener I loved Nora.
01:07:29
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What did you think about it?
01:07:30
Speaker
I loved it.
01:07:31
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No, again, I thought it was the funniest movie of the year.
01:07:33
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It's definitely in my top five for the year so far.
01:07:36
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It might... I feel like on a rewatch it might just keep going up.
01:07:39
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Like, I...
01:07:41
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There's something about the way he writes, and I'm always curious with his movies, the level of improvisation that's happening, because it feels just so lived in and amazing.
01:07:51
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So I was thinking about that too, and the more I've looked into it, there wasn't that much improv.
01:07:56
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This dude had a fucking vision, and he made it happen.
01:07:59
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There's a scene where...
01:08:03
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It's dubbed the home invasion scene.
01:08:06
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
01:08:06
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Where, you know, the oligarchs handlers are coming after Mark Edelstein's character, which Edelstein fought unbelievable.
01:08:14
Speaker
Amazing.
01:08:15
Speaker
Russian Chalamet, they're calling him online.
01:08:16
Speaker
He is Russian Chalamet.
01:08:17
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Yeah, it's amazing.
01:08:18
Speaker
It's amazing.
01:08:20
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But that scene is 28 minutes long and 28 pages of script.
01:08:25
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Oh, wow.
01:08:26
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And they shot it over the course of 10 days.
01:08:28
Speaker
Wow.
01:08:29
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each day of which had a different forecast.
01:08:31
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Whoa.
01:08:32
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That house is very open.
01:08:34
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:35
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It's all windows.
01:08:36
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And so he's like, this is a movie and like my movie styles in general, Sean Baker's.
01:08:41
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:42
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He's like,
01:08:43
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I don't want my movies to feel cinematic and lit like a Hollywood movie.
01:08:48
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And so he's like, it was ironic.
01:08:54
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The cinematographer's name.
01:08:55
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I'm blanking on his name.
01:08:57
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He's a Texas boy.
01:08:58
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He's shot a couple other good movies.
01:09:02
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He shot Red Rocket with Sean Baker.
01:09:04
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It was funny hearing him talk about it because he's like, yeah, our intention is to make it feel...
01:09:11
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not overly produced, but genuinely had to put so much production effort into maintaining the consistency in this scene just because it's a non-stop sequence.
01:09:22
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When you watch the 28 minutes, that 28 minutes happens concurrently.
01:09:26
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But they did not film it that way.
01:09:28
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So they had to match-cut all of these different weather days.
01:09:32
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One day it was raining, one day it was sunny as hell.
01:09:36
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That's so interesting to me because...
01:09:38
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The scene does go on forever.
01:09:40
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And it feels like it goes on even longer.
01:09:42
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Like, it feels like that could be a whole movie.
01:09:44
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And that's so interesting because, like, different weather would obviously make it feel different.
01:09:48
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And I'm like, okay, well, they were shooting it for ten days.
01:09:52
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It kind of feels like it goes on for ten days.
01:09:55
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Like, that's so fascinating.
01:09:56
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I mean, that scene, there's a few standout scenes in the movie.
01:09:59
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That, to me, is like, A, it's the funniest scene.
01:10:02
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To me, there's a couple moments that I really love after that.
01:10:06
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But, like, as far as a full scene, that scene is the funniest just because it's so outlandish and insane.
01:10:12
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And Mikey Madison just gets to cook for 28 minutes.
01:10:15
Speaker
But I... That's so interesting.
01:10:18
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I really love that.
01:10:21
Speaker
I think, like...
01:10:23
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The thing I love about Sean Baker's movies is his, like, destructiveness.
01:10:29
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Like, he's so unshy about just breaking shit.
01:10:34
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Which, like, you don't see in movies.
01:10:35
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Like, people aren't... Like, few movies are chaotic enough to where you, like, people are actually breaking shit all the time.
01:10:43
Speaker
Both theoretically and literally.
01:10:45
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And you're like, holy fucking shit.
01:10:47
Speaker
Like, this is a person's life falling apart.
01:10:49
Speaker
There's moments where they, like, knock over a lamp or something that almost feels accidental.
01:10:52
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Yeah.
01:10:52
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Yeah, exactly.
01:10:53
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And you're just like, holy fucking shit.
01:10:55
Speaker
They're committed to the real world chaos of the moment.
01:10:58
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100%.
01:10:58
Speaker
And there's a scene where they destroy a candy store and you're like, what the fuck?
01:11:02
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This is wild.
01:11:06
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Yeah, I just found it to be so deeply engaging from the opening shot, not to put too fine a point on it, but seeing a woman's tits on screen, it's like, oh my god, this is kind of crazy.
01:11:16
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But that...
01:11:18
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Even just any sequences that happen in that strip club, it is like a real life strip club that he scouted out and was like, oh, this is like what I envisioned beat for beat for what environment these scenes take place in.
01:11:32
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And...
01:11:34
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It's something where it's ironic because I really need to look up this cinematographer's name.
01:11:40
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Yeah, yeah, look him up.
01:11:41
Speaker
Because he also shot a couple episodes of Euphoria season one.
01:11:46
Speaker
Oh, interesting.
01:11:46
Speaker
And those club scenes remind me of the cinematography of that.
01:11:49
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For sure, for sure.
01:11:50
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The lighting in particular, yeah, for sure.
01:11:52
Speaker
Whereas Euphoria is such a...
01:11:55
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built out like set and world yeah or is this one is just like no just walk it's a real life yeah yeah and like i've gone yeah and i i love also like new york movies particularly new york movies about people on the outskirts like those are some of my favorite things about like
01:12:16
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In any major city where people are living in homes that look real.
01:12:21
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And Annie's home looks very real.
01:12:25
Speaker
Obviously, what's the boy's name?
01:12:27
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Edelstein.
01:12:28
Speaker
What's the character's name?
01:12:32
Speaker
The character's name is... I'm so bad at this.
01:12:34
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Yeah, it's something Russian, obviously.
01:12:36
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Yeah, of course.
01:12:37
Speaker
The only character name I remember is Igor, outside of Annie.
01:12:40
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That's because Igor is my hero.
01:12:42
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Because I rap Igor forever.
01:12:43
Speaker
Of course, Mark Idlestein's character is just named Ivan.
01:12:46
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Ivan.
01:12:48
Speaker
Like, Ivan's house is a fantasy, which is intentional.
01:12:51
Speaker
But it's also, again, it's a real place.
01:12:53
Speaker
They didn't build it.
01:12:54
Speaker
They didn't build a set.
01:12:55
Speaker
You know, they're filming in this, like, house that feels like Uncut Gems.
01:12:59
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Well, other movies, like, even a...
01:13:01
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you know, project like Uncut Gems that like we both love, still the locations in that movie are like pretty isolated to themselves.
01:13:10
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Yeah, for sure.
01:13:11
Speaker
This movie does something crazy where you follow people inside and outside of locations.
01:13:15
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So like you're not watching someone on a set with like
01:13:19
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two or three walls.
01:13:20
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Yeah.
01:13:21
Speaker
They're on location and it makes it feel so real because you fall over outside of the house, down the driveway, outside of the gate to the street and it's just like, cool, I've been places like that.
01:13:31
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Yeah, 100%.
01:13:32
Speaker
There's something too about like when it's day and when it's night in the movie because you're like, all of these activities are happening mostly in the middle of the night but then she'll like walk out of the club and it's daylight and you're like, what?
01:13:46
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Where the fuck am I?
01:13:47
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And then the next shot is her in bed and it's the middle of the day and her sister's coming in to be like, did you get milk?
01:13:52
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And you're like, what the?
01:13:53
Speaker
Did you see fucking milk in the face?
01:13:54
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Yeah, exactly.
01:13:55
Speaker
Fucking incredible.
01:13:56
Speaker
Fucking incredible.
01:13:58
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No, I didn't get milk.
01:13:59
Speaker
No, then no, I didn't get milk.
01:14:01
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Yeah, I just found it so deeply...
01:14:06
Speaker
deeply engaging.
01:14:07
Speaker
I mean, as I found all of this, I've seen this Florida Project, Tangerine.
01:14:11
Speaker
I haven't seen Red Rocket.
01:14:13
Speaker
So, which is funny because I grew up like 30 minutes from where they shot Red Rocket in like the Bay Area of Houston, which is so funny.
01:14:21
Speaker
I should watch it, but it might hit a little too.
01:14:23
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I know those places pretty well.
01:14:24
Speaker
I get that.
01:14:25
Speaker
Like, LaPorte High School is like five minutes from where they shot and I used to play basketball there.
01:14:29
Speaker
So, I'm like...
01:14:30
Speaker
It might feel a little too close.
01:14:32
Speaker
Especially subject matter.
01:14:33
Speaker
Exactly.
01:14:34
Speaker
I'm like, okay.
01:14:35
Speaker
I knew.
01:14:36
Speaker
I was in high school at that time.
01:14:41
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Yeah, I love what you said about this cinematography because I feel like there's something to taking these actual locations and still making you feel like a movie.
01:14:53
Speaker
It's like Sean Baker's famous for Tangerine Shot on an iPhone.
01:14:57
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He's very interested in simplifying all of this and turning it down.
01:15:02
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And this movie, he's very good at that.
01:15:05
Speaker
But it's so beautiful.
01:15:07
Speaker
Like, he's very intentional about, I know when I need to make this look incredible and look, like, lavish and opulent because that's so important to who Annie wants to be.
01:15:19
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She wants to be this opulent person.
01:15:22
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I think some of that comes from the choice to just shoot it on 35 millimeter cellular.
01:15:27
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Yeah, for sure.
01:15:28
Speaker
100%.
01:15:29
Speaker
Can you imagine seeing a fucking giant film print of this?
01:15:32
Speaker
So cool.
01:15:32
Speaker
Oh my gosh, I can't...
01:15:34
Speaker
And this is like a nerdy fucking detail, but they used old Russian lenses for the movie.
01:15:41
Speaker
Oh, beautiful.
01:15:41
Speaker
Which is like, nobody, and I swear to God, if anyone comes back at this, nobody has ever watched a movie and been like, what a fucking Russian lens vibe.
01:15:55
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But the fact that they did use it for a movie about Russian oligarchs.
01:15:58
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It makes a difference.
01:15:59
Speaker
It makes a difference.
01:16:00
Speaker
It is beautiful.
01:16:01
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Yeah.
01:16:01
Speaker
It's just a funny Easter egg.
01:16:02
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Yeah, it's amazing.
01:16:03
Speaker
I love that.
01:16:04
Speaker
I mean, like, there's so few people.
01:16:06
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Like, you hear, like, PTA talk about, like, you know, going when he's shooting the Master and going and being, like, dusting off lenses that were in, like, the Paramount basement.
01:16:14
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And he's like, okay, we're going to do this.
01:16:16
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But it's like nobody's.
01:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, dude, unless you're Greg Frazier, I don't want to hear shit about your little lens.
01:16:20
Speaker
takes nobody's interested nobody's interested but like that's an amazing thing and yes it has absolutely nothing to do with like the content of the movie but it's important like all of the decisions that lead to something that is this successful are so important um yeah i kind of want to talk about performances a little bit um
01:16:42
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Yeah, Mikey Madison, who's the lead of this movie, I think is probably frontrunner or running second for the Oscar right now.
01:16:50
Speaker
I have not seen Amelia Perez yet, but the more and more publicity you're getting, the lower is plummeting into potential Oscar wins.
01:17:02
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Yeah, I haven't watched it yet either.
01:17:04
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I'm very interested in it.
01:17:07
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I might fire it up tonight if we don't have anything going on.
01:17:10
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The two things next to my Netflix watch list are that and the Martha Stewart documentary.
01:17:14
Speaker
And the Martha Stewart documentary will probably take precedence.
01:17:17
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I'm definitely not going to watch Amelia Perez with my parents at home this week.
01:17:21
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Thanksgiving week that it is.
01:17:23
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But...
01:17:25
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I had only seen Mikey Madison from my memory in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
01:17:30
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There might be one other thing.
01:17:32
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There is one other thing and I'm blanking on it.
01:17:33
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Pull it up.
01:17:35
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, she makes an impact because she has that whole speech in the car where she's like, oh, they hate us, man.
01:17:42
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I know what we saw her in.
01:17:44
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Talk to me.
01:17:44
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The screen reboots.
01:17:45
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Oh, of course.
01:17:46
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Of course.
01:17:46
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She's in the screen reboots.
01:17:47
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Fucking awesome.
01:17:48
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Incredible.
01:17:49
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Great movies, in my opinion.
01:17:51
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Um...
01:17:52
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But, once upon a time in Hollywood, so it was, but like never obviously in anything that carries this amount of weight or even close to it.
01:17:59
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So, going into it, I'd heard all the buzz out of Ken and everything and I was like, okay, like I'm excited to see it.
01:18:05
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Like the amount that she takes on, the amount that she's capable of and that she is very clear in showing us she's capable of.
01:18:14
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Yeah.
01:18:14
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I was just like...
01:18:15
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I was blown through the back of my seat.
01:18:17
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There's something, and this is attributed to Sean Baker more than any performance, so we'll go deeper into performances, but as far as communicated, like...
01:18:28
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I don't know.
01:18:29
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Not fully communicated, but just some implied character aspects of the two main leads.
01:18:36
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There's something about this movie that makes you feel like you are inside the inner monologue of Annie.
01:18:43
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Sometimes, where it's never explicitly done.
01:18:47
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But then Yvonne's character, you're really never quite sure what he's actually thinking.
01:18:53
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Yeah, for sure.
01:18:53
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And that lends this...
01:18:55
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Awesome depth to this movie that makes you sympathize with her, whereas there's some scumbag dudes out there that would look at these workers and be like, oh, look at them ripping off these rich people.
01:19:11
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But that's not the lens of this movie at all in an amazing way.
01:19:15
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It's so fascinating because the movie is... Again, it's really...
01:19:20
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Sean Baker is the most empathetic filmmaker.
01:19:23
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So, like, he's so interested in the perspective of everybody.
01:19:26
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But he is the most interested in the people in his films that are the most downtrodden.
01:19:33
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So, it's like, he's so fascinated by Annie, her background.
01:19:37
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You know, it's like, we learn early in the movie, she speaks Russian.
01:19:40
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That's why she gets introduced to Yvonne.
01:19:41
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It's like, so, okay, so that's her heritage.
01:19:44
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pseudo-estranged family.
01:19:46
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Pseudo-estranged family, an immigrant family.
01:19:48
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You know, it's like, that's all so intentional.
01:19:52
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And he's trying to tell the story of those people.
01:19:55
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And...
01:19:56
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Like, what if the dream was presented to you on a silver platter, but underneath the meal there was arsenic?
01:20:03
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You know, it's like, that's what the movie is.
01:20:05
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It's like, this can't be real.
01:20:07
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Yeah, and it goes both ways.
01:20:09
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Yvonne is like, I can't believe this woman could want me from a way that I'm not paying for.
01:20:16
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They don't want me.
01:20:17
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And likewise, she's like, I got into sex work for a means to an end.
01:20:23
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And now, like, that's brought me into this place.
01:20:26
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And that kind of takes us to Igor.
01:20:28
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Yeah, dude.
01:20:29
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Okay, let's talk about him.
01:20:30
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Yuri Borisov.
01:20:32
Speaker
Yuri Borisov.
01:20:33
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Supporting actor, he won't win it, but he should.
01:20:37
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He should.
01:20:38
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He'll probably win my golden marmalades when we get there.
01:20:44
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So Yuri Borisov plays Igor, who is one of the henchmen of the sort of caretaker for Ivan.
01:20:52
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Yeah.
01:20:52
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Yes.
01:20:52
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The funny thing about it, though, is he feels more like a hired hand than a part of the clip.
01:20:57
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He's not there all the time, it feels like.
01:20:59
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He doesn't feel like he has a full-on relationship with the dudes he's working for.
01:21:04
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He might know the one guy, the guy's brother, but he doesn't know the guy he's working for all that well.
01:21:09
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He's just like, somebody called me, and I'm here.
01:21:12
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Can we sidebar real quick and talk about how funny it was for, like...
01:21:16
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to like just leave the bad day.
01:21:19
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Oh my god.
01:21:20
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Before the kid and be like I gotta take care of something.
01:21:23
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He's like in the fucking habit and he's like he's taking calls and I'm just like bruh you can't
01:21:32
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Can't do this.
01:21:34
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It's incredible.
01:21:35
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The ensemble work between that group, when they're in the car together, when they're going all these places together looking for Yvonne because Yvonne goes fucking missing.
01:21:43
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He goes ancient.
01:21:43
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And that's the moment where you're just like, actually, fuck this guy.
01:21:46
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Yeah, 100%.
01:21:47
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Until that moment, you're kind of unsure whether or not... For sure.
01:21:51
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He's an innocent.
01:21:52
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He seems kind of harmless.
01:21:53
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This kid just has kind of had a hard life in a...
01:21:56
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weird way where he doesn't have deep relationships but he has everything else to go.
01:22:00
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Yeah, yeah, he doesn't get along with his parents but they still support him, you don't really know, you know.
01:22:04
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And then by the end of it you are cussing him out and just right along with Mikey Madison saying fuck that guy, you little piece of shit.
01:22:11
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Yeah, he's a piece of shit.
01:22:12
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But...
01:22:14
Speaker
You go from, like, Mikey Madison breaking this dude's nose to them being, like, pals.
01:22:19
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Yeah, dude.
01:22:21
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It's, like, my favorite... It's my favorite, like, movie arc of a character of the year.
01:22:27
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Like, from... Like, again, we're going to just talk about the movie because I'm going to talk about the movie.
01:22:33
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But, like, from the moment he enters the house...
01:22:38
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And she immediately starts, like, accusing him of assaulting her.
01:22:43
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Like, pretty much immediately.
01:22:44
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As soon as he touches her.
01:22:46
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And then he's holding her on his lap and all this stuff.
01:22:48
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And, like, just going and going.
01:22:50
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And this goes on for, like, 45 minutes.
01:22:51
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And when this happens, you are not on his team at all.
01:22:54
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Oh, 100% not.
01:22:55
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You're on the team of Annie.
01:22:56
Speaker
Like, you're on Annie's team.
01:22:57
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And then slowly but surely, the movie starts to show us that, like, he's a decent person.
01:23:03
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Yes.
01:23:04
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Very slowly.
01:23:05
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Yeah, but it also starts to contribute to your point of, like...
01:23:08
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he seems like he's not on this team.
01:23:10
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Because these guys kind of suck.
01:23:11
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And there's also like the guys, the caretaker's brother who like is sick the whole time, which is because he has a concussion and he throws up in the car, which is fucking phenomenal.
01:23:23
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Throws up on the seat and they make her start sitting there.
01:23:26
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And you're like, oh shit.
01:23:28
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In his fucking Cadillac, which he then gets towed and drives off the tow hitch, which is the first thing he says when the other dude throws up is like, dude, my wife has to drive this.
01:23:37
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Yes.
01:23:40
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It's fucking phenomenal.
01:23:42
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But Igor is like, he's there the whole time.
01:23:44
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First of all, he's bald, so I'm going to love him.
01:23:47
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You know, not to put too fine a point on that.
01:23:49
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Shout out to the hot balds out there.
01:23:50
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Yo, for real.
01:23:52
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We're few and far between, but we're around.
01:23:55
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He's very hot.
01:23:56
Speaker
And like...
01:23:57
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My second favorite scene in the movie past the house kidnapping, whatever you want to call it, scene, is the scene of them after it's all gone down.
01:24:09
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And they're just back at the house.
01:24:11
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And he's like, you have to go tomorrow to get out.
01:24:13
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And they're just watching the news.
01:24:15
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And I'm like, that to me is like the best written scene of the year.
01:24:18
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The body language in that scene was the most like... It's phenomenal.
01:24:22
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I don't know if I've ever seen a scene in a movie where the body language and dialogue was more like, I'm just sitting in a room with a couple people.
01:24:30
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Oh my gosh.
01:24:31
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It's phenomenal.
01:24:32
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There's nothing stilted about it.
01:24:33
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There's nothing forced about it.
01:24:35
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It is just like...
01:24:37
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a couple people that just experience something that are hanging.
01:24:41
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Yeah.
01:24:41
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And this movie does something amazing with time where it, like, it obviously cuts through time significantly a few times, but it just kind of holds you in places for these moments that, like, I don't know, a lot of other filmmakers would try to, like,
01:25:00
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zhuzh up and make glossier or like trying to make quips but this movie has so many quips 100 it doesn't need more but it just kind of feels like people you know yeah living in this environment and like you were saying like she accuses him of like assaulting her and his response to that isn't just like uh-uh he just goes
01:25:24
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Yeah, he just laughs.
01:25:26
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He just can't take it seriously.
01:25:27
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And she's offended.
01:25:28
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She's like, what are you laughing at, you fucking asshole?
01:25:31
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Yeah.
01:25:32
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And that lends us to something.
01:25:35
Speaker
The use of the F-slur in this movie is interesting.
01:25:38
Speaker
It is interesting.
01:25:41
Speaker
It's very present.
01:25:43
Speaker
It's very Eastern European.
01:25:44
Speaker
100%.
01:25:44
Speaker
But it's also... It's a thing about Sean Baker's movies that I'm so fascinated by.
01:25:50
Speaker
Where he... Again, he's interested in these people who are on the outskirts.
01:25:54
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He's not interested in being correct.
01:25:56
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He's interested in being accurate.
01:25:58
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Not at all.
01:25:58
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He's interested in being honest.
01:25:59
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It's like... Yeah, of course she would say that.
01:26:01
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Yeah.
01:26:02
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Like, she's a person... She's a young woman who lives in the Bronx and works at a strip club.
01:26:07
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And, like...
01:26:08
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Again, I'm not trying to stereotype that type of person.
01:26:09
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Mostly probably has a pretty low view of me.
01:26:12
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100%.
01:26:12
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She definitely does.
01:26:14
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And what she's trying to do in that moment is get to them.
01:26:18
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She's trying to get in their heads and she knows exactly what she's doing in that moment.
01:26:23
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And she's just trying to ward them off.
01:26:25
Speaker
And how are you going to ward them off?
01:26:26
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You're going to say a word like that.
01:26:28
Speaker
It's just, it's so interesting because his response is like a chuckle that like does nothing but imply like in a non-creepy weird way that like
01:26:38
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No, if I wanted to do that, like, it would have happened.
01:26:41
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For sure.
01:26:42
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And he's just like, I can't believe you'd think that.
01:26:44
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Well, and there's a level of innocence there.
01:26:46
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Yeah.
01:26:46
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There's a level, like, there's a level of both, like, self-knowledge that he has of being like, I'm here to, like, be intimidating.
01:26:55
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Like, if I wanted to do that, I could... Like, I'm laying down on the couch in my sweatpants, like, scrolling through my phone.
01:27:01
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100%.
01:27:01
Speaker
Like...
01:27:02
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I have, like, I'm so unbothered and so unthreatening towards you right now.
01:27:07
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Yeah, yeah.
01:27:07
Speaker
I can't believe you would fucking say that.
01:27:09
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Yeah, but there's also a level of just, like...
01:27:12
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Like, I wouldn't do that.
01:27:14
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Like, what are you talking about?
01:27:15
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He's like, that's not who I am.
01:27:16
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You spent days with me.
01:27:17
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Like, how could you still think I would do that?
01:27:19
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That's crazy.
01:27:20
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And there's no defensiveness to it, which is so beautiful.
01:27:23
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That's my favorite part about it.
01:27:24
Speaker
It's so beautiful.
01:27:25
Speaker
He was so unoffended by it.
01:27:26
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Oh my gosh.
01:27:27
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Like, the things I've said about it would probably make you think that his reaction was offended.
01:27:31
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Yeah, of course.
01:27:33
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No.
01:27:33
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No, he's just like, what are you talking about?
01:27:35
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That's so silly.
01:27:36
Speaker
I do really dig you.
01:27:37
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:38
Speaker
And that's why this hasn't happened.
01:27:40
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100%.
01:27:40
Speaker
Not from a place of like... And he's like, I've been defending you for two days.
01:27:44
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Yeah.
01:27:45
Speaker
Like, he's like... And to the point to where he, like, mouths off to his fucking superiors.
01:27:51
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Like, when they're at the airport.
01:27:52
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He's like, I think he should apologize.
01:27:54
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Yes.
01:27:55
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And it's like... That to me... Oh, my gosh.
01:27:57
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Let's center in.
01:27:57
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Yeah, let's talk about that scene.
01:27:58
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Oh, my gosh.
01:28:00
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The... Holy shit.
01:28:02
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The kind of twisty reveal that the dad oligarch isn't actually the one pulling the strings.
01:28:08
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It's the mom.
01:28:09
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It's the mom.
01:28:10
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Was awesome.
01:28:10
Speaker
Incredible.
01:28:11
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And then the moment where the dad just starts laughing.
01:28:14
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It's amazing.
01:28:16
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It's amazing.
01:28:16
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Because the dad knows.
01:28:18
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He's on the side.
01:28:19
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He's like, yeah, I know my son's a shit.
01:28:22
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Yeah.
01:28:22
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And the mom can't face it.
01:28:24
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I'm fucking sick of this kid.
01:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, fuck this kid.
01:28:27
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Fucking kill him for all I care is basically what that laugh means.
01:28:31
Speaker
It's like, are you fucking serious right now?
01:28:33
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I can't handle this fucking kid.
01:28:35
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Oh my gosh.
01:28:37
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Yeah, so basically, you know, again, if you haven't seen it, why are you listening?
01:28:41
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But like, basically, Annie and Yvonne get married in Vegas, and then it gets back to Yvonne's parents.
01:28:48
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They freak out, and then they end up, after a long stretch of time, his parents, who were like Russian, what are they?
01:28:56
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Oligarchs.
01:28:56
Speaker
Oligarchs.
01:28:57
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Insane amounts of money.
01:28:59
Speaker
They fly to the United States to get... They have diversified portfolios.
01:29:02
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Yeah, sure, sure.
01:29:03
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Something like that.
01:29:05
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And so that's a funny part in bed too.
01:29:07
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Yeah.
01:29:09
Speaker
They are getting to know each other after he's hired her before they've become like an actual...
01:29:15
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couple where she's asking what he does and he's like, I'm an arms dealer.
01:29:20
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But he's not.
01:29:22
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Why would she know any differently?
01:29:23
Speaker
Where she's like, am I in danger?
01:29:25
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Yeah, of course.
01:29:27
Speaker
It's like Eastern European with a giant house.
01:29:32
Speaker
It's like, okay, arms dealer would make sense.
01:29:34
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It's like you can just apply the sensitivity to it.
01:29:38
Speaker
So the parents come to the United States to basically make them get an annulment.
01:29:43
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Which also leads to the funniest scene in the movie, which is the courtroom scene.
01:29:48
Speaker
Where the lawyer is trying to have the marriage annulled in New York City.
01:29:52
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And then he says, they find out that it happened in Vegas.
01:29:56
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He's like, we can't do this here.
01:29:59
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That's not how this works at all.
01:30:01
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And they have to take the private jet to Vegas.
Strip Club Dynamics and Human Narratives
01:30:05
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Oh my gosh.
01:30:06
Speaker
It's fucking incredible.
01:30:08
Speaker
Because it's this lawyer who's clearly been strung out for days calling everybody over this problem.
01:30:14
Speaker
And he shows up to the courthouse early in the morning to get this thing annulled.
01:30:17
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And he's like, wait, what?
01:30:19
Speaker
He doesn't know.
01:30:20
Speaker
Nobody's told him.
01:30:21
Speaker
Because they've just been looking for Yvonne for fucking 48 hours.
01:30:26
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
01:30:27
Speaker
It's so good.
01:30:28
Speaker
Another thing, when they find him, I love the way they film.
01:30:32
Speaker
Like, we've talked about them filming in the strip club, but
01:30:35
Speaker
The way they film it is so cool because they film it purely from Madison's perspective or Anna's perspective.
01:30:42
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:30:43
Speaker
Like walking into this place where it's like the way these places are set up is for you to walk in as someone looking for entertainment and like
01:30:53
Speaker
you're seeing flashing lights and all this like ooh la la.
01:30:57
Speaker
But the way you look at it through her is just like walking through your friend's house.
01:31:02
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It's just hallways.
01:31:02
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It's just hallways.
01:31:03
Speaker
It's just like, oh yeah, they're going to be over in this room.
01:31:05
Speaker
I'm like, hey, have you seen so-and-so?
01:31:07
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It's like, oh yeah, door three down to the right.
01:31:10
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:31:11
Speaker
100%.
01:31:11
Speaker
That makes, I think that's one of the things Sean Baker does so well is it's so easy to
01:31:19
Speaker
just purely make these places like a sexual enigma with like the flashing pretty lights.
01:31:27
Speaker
And for him, he's just like...
01:31:29
Speaker
No, this is just places where these girls are every day.
01:31:33
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100%.
01:31:33
Speaker
He's like, this is a workplace.
01:31:35
Speaker
It's a workplace.
01:31:36
Speaker
It's like if you're in an office and somebody's like, where's so-and-so's office?
01:31:39
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And you're like, oh, it's like three doors down on the left.
01:31:41
Speaker
It's exactly what it is.
01:31:42
Speaker
It humorizes the embarrassment and loneliness of these men.
01:31:46
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:31:47
Speaker
That have nothing better to do.
01:31:48
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:31:49
Speaker
And I'm not, in a sense, I'm not like anti-strip club sex worker or anything.
01:31:54
Speaker
I've never been to a strip club.
01:31:55
Speaker
Me neither.
01:31:57
Speaker
I'm down or open to the idea of one of the cool Magic City ones or something in Vegas that's just like, oh, this is performance and amazing.
01:32:05
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But generally, it's just never really been my thing or any of my friend groups things.
01:32:11
Speaker
But to see just like there's so many things in our life where we...
01:32:18
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intentionally don't break down an unspoken third wall so that we can keep this mystique around it.
01:32:23
Speaker
And if you are ever to cross through that third wall, there's a lot of things that we normalize in our life.
01:32:28
Speaker
Or if we do it, we're just like, oh, this is fucking... This is stupid.
01:32:32
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely.
01:32:33
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
01:32:34
Speaker
I mean, to just talk about another movie quickly, another movie that I like, Hustlers, the J-Lo movie that Laurence... I've seen the first act of it.
01:32:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:32:43
Speaker
It's a movie I really like, but like...
01:32:46
Speaker
That movie, it's very interested in the women who are working in these spaces, which I think is very valuable in a similar way that Enora is.
01:32:54
Speaker
But it's interested in their ingenuity, their knowledge, and all this stuff.
01:33:01
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It's a different perspective, but it doesn't quite get to the depths that this movie gets to, in my opinion.
01:33:10
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The depths of, this is just a job.
01:33:13
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Like, this is, like, and I'm gonna talk shit to my coworkers in the fucking break room.
01:33:18
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Like, there's a bunch of... I love some people here, and there's people here that I really don't fucking like.
01:33:24
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Yeah.
01:33:24
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And, like, that's a workplace.
01:33:26
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It's, like, the idea that there's sex workers in this place that are cool, chill people, and there's sex workers in this place that are absolute pests.
01:33:33
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100%.
01:33:33
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And, like, those two things are true.
01:33:36
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And, like... And there's the woman who's, like... There's Russian henchmen that are good people, and there's Russian henchmen that are pests.
01:33:40
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Absolutely.
01:33:41
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And it's, like...
01:33:42
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Fully revealing the dichotomy of like, we don't need to define goodness in people by their occupation or background.
01:33:50
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Like, good and bad people exist in most spaces.
01:33:53
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I will not say all spaces.
01:33:54
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No, but most spaces I think is fair.
01:33:56
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100%.
01:33:56
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I think most spaces is fair.
01:33:58
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I mean, there's the moment with the woman who's kind of like, I don't know what to call it, in the strip club, who's like the enforcer.
01:34:05
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She's kind of like second to the boss.
01:34:07
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Yeah.
01:34:07
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Yeah.
01:34:07
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You know what I mean?
01:34:08
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And she, like, tell, like, Annie's leaving and she's like, oh, but I love you.
01:34:12
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Like, she breaks down.
01:34:12
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And she's been talking so much shit about her.
01:34:15
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And I'm like, that's a workplace.
01:34:17
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It's so beautiful.
01:34:17
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Like, that's so accurate to, like, not just this workplace, but, like, any place where you're, like...
01:34:23
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Okay, like, yes, day to day I have problems with this person, but I spend my day to day with it.
01:34:27
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And that stuff's so real.
01:34:28
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Today I stopped by a place I used to work at and, like, was just chilling in the office.
01:34:33
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And one of the ladies that works there texted a guy that works in the back, like, hey, I need you to come to the office.
01:34:37
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Didn't say I was there.
01:34:39
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And this guy's, like, pretty low-key, like, honestly kind of sits around scrolling his phone once the other day.
01:34:44
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Nice, nice.
01:34:44
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But he comes in and, like, sees me in double takes.
01:34:47
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And, like, this guy who's normally not very, like,
01:34:50
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animated or like expressive just like lights up it's like yo and it's like i get up and like hug him and all that stuff it's like yeah you have all these people and all like it we use this phrase so much as like guys who like movies and it can't be more accurate or well used for this movie but this movie is so lived in oh 100 um and i think that brings us to like the ending yeah which i want to talk about yes
01:35:19
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We've talked about a couple times that this movie is sneakily the funniest movie.
01:35:24
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100%.
01:35:24
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But the ending of this movie breaks your soul down in a way that's somewhat hopeful.
01:35:32
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Yep.
01:35:33
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Really sad.
01:35:37
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And then the credits roll.
01:35:39
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And it's just the sound of windshield wipers on a car on a cold, snowy day leaving you with that lingering...
01:35:47
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combination of like indignance towards the people that have the power to do bad things and don't get a slap on the wrist even for it sympathy and sadness for someone who is trying to make it in any way they can trying to figure it out and people can write off sex workers as like manipulative users and it's so untrue because again it's people trying to make it yeah and they're we see through annie's story that like hey she
01:36:17
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Maybe really good at like, you know, working it with these guys.
01:36:22
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But she also really truly at the end of the day just wants to be loved and loved.
01:36:26
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Yeah.
01:36:26
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And the way that that comes about in this movie is like, it's a gut punch, man.
01:36:32
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It truly is.
01:36:33
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I mean, the last like...
01:36:37
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Even the last 20 minutes, which is all pretty dire and dour, did not prepare me for the very, very end.
01:36:45
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And I agree with you.
01:36:46
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It carries so much.
01:36:48
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It's the longest that I can remember this.
01:36:51
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I saw it with my girlfriend Clarissa.
01:36:53
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And it's the longest I can remember us sitting through credits.
01:36:56
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Yeah, because I was just like, Jesus Christ.
01:37:00
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Because it does have all of that.
01:37:03
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There's something to it where...
01:37:07
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she wants to be rid of this.
01:37:09
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You know, this whole experience, she wants to be beyond it.
01:37:12
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But some part of it will stick with her forever.
01:37:15
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And you see all of that, and you also see, okay,
01:37:19
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like, readjusting, both for her and for Igor.
01:37:22
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It's like, there is, Igor is like, I have to now reckon with this part of my life.
01:37:28
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Because clearly this is something.
01:37:29
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Well, it also does this really delicate thing where it's like, in this moment, Annie gets on Igor's lap and they start going at it and then that kind of dissipates into, like, sadness and almost relief that it's over, but also just, like,
01:37:46
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I can't believe I had to deal with that bullshit.
01:37:48
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Yeah.
01:37:48
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But it does this really amazing thing that I can't believe they pulled off.
01:37:54
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Where you, as the viewer, you see that Igor is obsessed with this woman.
01:37:59
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100%.
01:37:59
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And does want to just bone her.
01:38:01
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Of course.
01:38:02
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Yeah.
01:38:03
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But you also see that he is sympathetic and doesn't want to push her.
01:38:06
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Yeah.
01:38:07
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You see her...
01:38:09
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going into a habit of expressing gratitude through her work, but then also expressing her very human needs emotionally.
01:38:19
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And it's just like this tornado of, like, all of these different facets being true.
01:38:25
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And I think a lot of times in movies we try to attribute, like...
01:38:28
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This is what it's saying.
01:38:29
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And we just nail it down on one little thing.
01:38:31
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It's like, that's not what's happening with Sean Baker movies in general.
01:38:34
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Sean Baker doesn't try to say, oh, here's the motto of this movie and what you're taking away from it.
01:38:40
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Sean Baker is like, look at how fucking complicated humans are. 100%.
01:38:45
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on levels that are good bad and in between and it's a snapshot it's like i'm gonna show you a few days in this person's life and yes they're extreme but like it's a few days fuck a protagonist fuck a villain yep humans are inherently mostly bad and searching for threads of hope that they can hold on to to keep going in this life that can like
01:39:09
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Truly just get really dour a lot of the time.
01:39:12
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Absolutely.
01:39:14
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No, I'm, yeah, 100%.
01:39:15
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I mean, I think for me, it's like you get to that scene, you get to the final scene, and it so easily could be a thing we've seen in a lot of movies, which is...
01:39:26
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characters bonded by shared trauma.
01:39:30
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You know, it's like, we see, you see that a lot.
01:39:32
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You see two, particularly, you know, two protagonists come together who have had trauma and like the only way they know how to release it is through sex or through romance or, you know, just through connection, human connection.
01:39:44
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And like, yes, this is that.
01:39:47
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Like they have both been through a lot in the last few days.
01:39:50
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But I have never seen a scene like that that has this amount of depth to it.
01:39:56
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Like, it just goes... Depth that's unspoken.
01:39:59
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Yeah, you don't need to know... Like, you've seen the last two hours, so you don't need to talk it out.
01:40:03
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Do they even say a word in the last five minutes?
01:40:04
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I don't think so.
01:40:05
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I don't think... I don't think they do.
01:40:07
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I think it's just the action and then the tears.
01:40:10
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Like, I think it's... And which is just, like...
01:40:13
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It's so special to me, man.
01:40:15
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I will be rewatching it.
01:40:17
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I'm really looking forward to it.
01:40:18
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Me too.
01:40:19
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I'm looking forward to watching the couple of Baker projects I haven't seen.
01:40:23
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Yeah, for sure.
01:40:24
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Especially Red Rocket.
01:40:25
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I know we're saying it probably might be a little close, but it also might be all the more effective because of that.
01:40:32
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For sure.
01:40:33
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Before we go to other places, what did you think about Ivy Walk's character and the other dude in the candy shop?
01:40:43
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Oh.
01:40:43
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And, like, their... Like, what I... Because I still have questions about what was their place in this movie and, like, how much were they actually Ivan's friends versus, like... There for the money sort of thing.
01:40:55
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I'm interested in that.
01:40:56
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I felt a...
01:40:59
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I felt the sort of kinship between Yvonne and the male character in the candy shop, mostly like heritage based.
01:41:07
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He was obviously a Russian immigrant in a similar fashion.
01:41:11
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Much more American, but still definitely very Russian-coated.
01:41:15
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Yeah, exactly.
01:41:15
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So like...
01:41:17
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I think that was a bit of shorthand to kind of get me to feel like that was an actual connection.
01:41:22
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And then it felt like maybe his girlfriend was kind of pushing towards a little bit closer connection because of the money.
01:41:29
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And I felt that way about the other couple that was with them.
01:41:31
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Ivy Woke, by the way, real life sex worker.
01:41:34
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Oh, that's fascinating.
01:41:35
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She's a comedian that does OnlyFans.
01:41:37
Speaker
Oh, amazing.
01:41:38
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That's fantastic.
01:41:38
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I mean, she's really great.
01:41:40
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Yeah, she is.
01:41:41
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She's phenomenal.
01:41:42
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I'll be honest.
01:41:43
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She's pretty annoying in real life on Twitter.
01:41:45
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You know, she's exactly.
01:41:46
Speaker
What are you going to do?
01:41:47
Speaker
You got to take the bitter with the better.
01:41:49
Speaker
But I don't know.
01:41:53
Speaker
That plot line was kind of the only thing in the movie that I found sort of dispensable.
01:41:58
Speaker
Same.
01:41:59
Speaker
Which is fine.
01:42:00
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Which also, I wanted more of the old dude at the candy shop.
01:42:04
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100%.
01:42:04
Speaker
He was fascinating.
01:42:06
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But that might also just be me being like, you know, I love these old dudes and their weird idiosyncrasies.
01:42:14
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I think I might just want a movie about an old man running a candy store in Coney Island.
01:42:18
Speaker
Sounds sick.
01:42:20
Speaker
What?
01:42:20
Speaker
Who is this guy?
01:42:21
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Yeah.
01:42:21
Speaker
Where did he come from?
01:42:22
Speaker
Give me his backstory.
01:42:23
Speaker
The fucking lived-in world.
01:42:24
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:42:26
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It's like you want to know about all of them so much.
01:42:30
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Like, I felt the same way at the christening, where I'm just like, tell me everybody's story here.
01:42:33
Speaker
What's going on with all these fucking people?
01:42:36
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But, I don't know.
01:42:37
Speaker
I felt like, with the scene in the candy store and his backstory and then the Vegas scene, I'm like, I like that there's more people here because it feels like
01:42:48
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It feels like a kid being like, I want all my friends to come.
01:42:51
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Which is what Yvonne is, like, in reality.
01:42:55
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But it...
01:42:57
Speaker
Again, it felt like the most sort of like we could do away with this thing in the movie, whereas everything else feels incredibly essential and ideal.
01:43:05
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But I don't know.
01:43:07
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I think the performances are uniformly pretty great across the board, even when they're not given much to do because Sean Baker knows exactly what to give them to make them feel like real people.
01:43:19
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But yeah.
01:43:21
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Yeah, this movie was
Weekly Media Highlights and Reflections
01:43:22
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great, man.
01:43:22
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It's fantastic.
01:43:23
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Everybody go see Enora.
01:43:25
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If you've listened this far and you haven't, good luck.
01:43:29
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Now that we've wrapped up Enora, let's get to our Akira Kurosawa high and low for the week.
01:43:40
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For anybody who hasn't listened before, this is where we talk about our...
01:43:43
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The best piece of media and the worst piece of media we've consumed this week.
01:43:46
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Zach, why don't you start us off?
01:43:49
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Yeah, I have watched less movies than usual this week.
01:43:52
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I've been out of town for the last few days, which is awesome because it's why I'm here in person with Austin.
01:44:00
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So, kind of in an interesting way, my low is similar to a low red hat recently, but...
01:44:10
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I didn't dislike this movie.
01:44:12
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I saw the movie Harry taking theaters with my dad this week.
01:44:16
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And I think this is an awesome movie in a lot of ways.
01:44:20
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I think similar to why I just like that Anora exists as the parameters around it.
01:44:25
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I love that there's this small budget movie with Hugh Grant playing a crazy dude in Boulder that I fully can imagine exists in real life.
01:44:35
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And these two Mormon missionaries show up and things get weird.
01:44:37
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In the first half of the movie, it goes...
01:44:41
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really awesome places with the writing and in the second half I feel like couldn't quite decide how it just couldn't decide which horror tropes to lean into and I think the message got lost as a result of that so really cool movie but probably my low still just because I think it could have been so much better
01:45:02
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And that always sits with me in a disappointing way versus watching a movie that's straight up dog shit.
01:45:08
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It's a lot more easy to reconcile than like, oh, it's so close.
01:45:12
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Yeah.
01:45:13
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That's such a bigger bummer than a steaming pile of shit.
01:45:16
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Yeah.
01:45:17
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So that's my low.
01:45:19
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I rewatched all of the Star Wars prequels this week.
01:45:23
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And so that's my honorable mention, and I fell in love with them in a deeper way than I had before.
01:45:28
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I've never been a prequels defender, but they are... There's something special going on in there, man.
01:45:37
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There's some sauce simmering.
01:45:39
Speaker
100%.
01:45:39
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Where George Lucas got to do things he didn't get to do the first time around with this story.
01:45:44
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Because, I mean...
01:45:45
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Everyone who worked on the very first Star Wars movie just constantly talks about, like, I had no idea what was going on in the story.
01:45:53
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Like, you read the script, and I think at that time his name was still, like, Luke Starkiller.
01:45:58
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Yeah.
01:46:00
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And it's like, they're like, what is this stuff?
01:46:02
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And then George Lucas finally has the clout from, like, the trilogy's success to be like, here's what I want to do with this space opera bullshit.
01:46:11
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But my high for the week...
01:46:14
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is a tie.
01:46:15
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Because last night, late night after this wedding, me and a couple friends, one of them being Red, re-watched E.T.
01:46:24
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And... I mean, it's just a magical movie.
01:46:27
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Incredible.
01:46:28
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You cannot overstate the magic of that movie.
01:46:33
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I don't know.
01:46:34
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Being a little tipsy, that score hit harder than it ever has before.
01:46:38
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Like John Williams.
01:46:39
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The greatest ever.
01:46:41
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But I think my high of the week is Jarmusch's Ghost Dog.
01:46:45
Speaker
Oh, let's go, baby!
01:46:48
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Because what can you say about that?
01:46:50
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The coolest movie ever made.
01:46:52
Speaker
It's so cool, dude.
01:46:53
Speaker
Dude, I have the score on vinyl.
01:46:55
Speaker
Fucking incredible.
01:46:55
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The Riz's score.
01:46:57
Speaker
Fucking incredible.
01:46:58
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What an iconic film.
01:47:00
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Yeah, I don't really have that much to say about it other than like
01:47:04
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My guy, I felt so sad for many reasons.
01:47:12
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Oh, yeah.
01:47:12
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But especially on behalf of some pigeons.
01:47:16
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The pigeons, it is very sad.
01:47:17
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I've never felt more emotion for the pigeons in my life.
01:47:20
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You really develop a connection to the pigeons.
01:47:22
Speaker
Why?
01:47:23
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What a fucking...
01:47:25
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I do want to shout out one scene in that since it's just the two of us.
01:47:28
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Please.
01:47:28
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Do whatever the fuck we want.
01:47:29
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Absolutely.
01:47:32
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I was caught off guard.
01:47:33
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I haven't seen a whole lot of John Ritchie movies, but I was caught off guard by how funny the scene in the back room of the Chinese restaurant with the bosses was.
01:47:42
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Yeah, dude.
01:47:43
Speaker
The dialogue in it was so snappy.
01:47:45
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It snaps, man.
01:47:46
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Oh my gosh, it snaps.
01:47:47
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They're just like idiots.
01:47:49
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Yeah.
01:47:52
Speaker
Oh my gosh, it's so good.
01:47:54
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Again, well observed.
01:47:56
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Like, he just... The guy fucking knows what he's doing.
01:47:58
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They're just like half-witted, like...
01:48:02
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mobsters that have not quite made it i kind of think they do but also kind of realize they have it yeah it's just so it just toes the line it's in a beautiful way hey i love that um okay so for me i'll start with my low i'm not going to belabor it because we've talked about on the podcast before i finally watched deadpool wolverine it's absolutely yes um it sucks it sucks farts
01:48:26
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It's terrible.
01:48:27
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It's everything wrong with movies.
01:48:28
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There's like three good jokes and it's trying to make a joke every like four seconds.
01:48:33
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So it's like, okay, this isn't quite working for me.
01:48:36
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There's some of the worst looking like sequences that I've ever seen in a superhero movie.
01:48:42
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I haven't seen it, but every sequence I've seen is like the flattest.
01:48:45
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Sean Levy.
01:48:46
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Yeah.
01:48:46
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Sean Levy does not know how to fucking direct jack shit.
01:48:50
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He should either stop directing or jump off a cliff.
01:48:54
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I just don't understand how you can make a movie that takes place in a fantastical universe and most of the background is a gray muted tone.
01:49:00
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Truly just gray muted tones.
01:49:02
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It's absolutely awful.
01:49:05
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There's like one or two people having fun in the movie, which is nice.
01:49:07
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I'm happy for them.
01:49:08
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They don't help at all.
01:49:09
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It's terrible.
01:49:11
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So that's my low.
01:49:13
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Honorable mention high to a movie that came out this year that I feel like a lot of people, at least that I know, haven't seen.
01:49:20
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It's called My Old Ass, directed by Megan Park, who is actually one of the stars of The Secret Life of the American Teenager on ABC Family back in the day.
01:49:28
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That's it.
01:49:29
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The Shae Lee and Wendley Shears.
01:49:30
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We're all back.
01:49:30
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Yeah, yeah.
01:49:32
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So she was the blonde girl on Secret Life of the American Teenager.
01:49:35
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And she's become a filmmaker.
01:49:37
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She made one movie before this.
01:49:39
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But my old ass is basically girl lives in Toronto.
01:49:43
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She's about to go off to college.
01:49:45
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Or she's about to, I think she's about to go off to college.
01:49:47
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She's in high school.
01:49:48
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And she takes mushrooms with her friends and starts to see her future self.
01:49:54
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Mm-hmm.
01:49:55
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And Aubrey Plaza plays the future self.
01:49:57
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Let me get the name of the actor who plays the young girl.
01:49:59
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I haven't seen the movie.
01:50:00
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The trailer sets up everything.
01:50:02
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100%.
01:50:02
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It sets up this whole premise.
01:50:04
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:04
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Maisie Stella is the name of the actor who plays young Elliot.
01:50:07
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And then Aubrey Plaza plays older Elliot.
01:50:10
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And it's basically about what would you tell yourself about your life if you could go back and change it?
01:50:16
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What would you want to know if you were young from your older self?
01:50:19
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And what would you actually take with you if you could learn it?
01:50:22
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um and just like very fun very funny kind of filthy in a really fun way that's fun very emotionally gripping it pulled a couple tears out of me by the end um so i would write it's on prime i think it's a prime release i would highly recommend it um my old ass directed by megan park um my high for my full high for the week is actually a double whammy but they're you know they're
01:50:46
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tied together.
01:50:48
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Two John Wayne movies.
01:50:49
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Alright.
01:50:51
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One is a re-watch.
01:50:52
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One is a first watch.
01:50:53
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The re-watch is The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, John Ford's movie from 1962, starring John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart, which is about...
01:51:03
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At its core, in my opinion, it's about the printing of the myth in the Old West.
01:51:08
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A lot of people's top five movie.
01:51:11
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It's a phenomenal movie.
01:51:13
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First of all, Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne both give incredible performances.
01:51:17
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Literally every morning since I've watched this movie, I've woken up and heard John Wayne in my head saying, Go ahead, Pilgrim.
01:51:24
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I've heard that every morning in my head.
01:51:25
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It's fantastic.
01:51:27
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My favorite John Wayne movie is Repo Man.
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If you don't get it,
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Fuck off.
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But it's about a story that's constructed in the Old West and then the deconstruction of it.
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And it's absolutely phenomenal.
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John Ford's a movie.
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And then the other one was a first watch, which I watched two nights ago, which is Rio Bravo.
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My favorite John Wayne.
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Holy shit.
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Howard Hawks' movie starring John Wayne, Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson, and Angie Dickinson, who's the hottest woman who's ever lived on the face of the earth.
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Ricky Nelson and Dean Martin singing Rifle and Pony and Pony.
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It just, like, maybe my favorite thing I've ever watched on the screen.
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I was just like, I can't believe how good this is.
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With fucking Lil Stumpy, is that his name?
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What is his name?
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Yeah, the old... The old guy that Walter Brennan plays.
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Yeah, Stumpy playing the harmonica.
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Holy fucking shit, what a film.
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Magical.
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I could not believe how good this movie was.
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It was... Like, it's like... I don't know how long it is.
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Let me see.
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It's like... Two hours.
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Two hours and 20 minutes.
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It's that long?
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Yes.
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Oh, I thought it was... It feels like it's 90s.
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Like, it...
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flies by.
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I was like, what the fuck?
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This thing is fucking phenomenal.
Closing Remarks and Future Plans
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Came out in 1959.
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It's just incredible.
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It's a fun thing where I feel like
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getting a little later in his career john wayne was willing to be a little more vulnerable and a little more kind of on the edge particularly in the romantic plot in this movie he makes such an ass of himself and it's so fun to watch this like icon of american masculinity talk about like how scary john wayne is of being gay in this movie oh my gosh so horrified he
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He literally crosses the street at one point in order to not make appearances that a man is like enjoying his company.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He's like, he's like, no, I don't want to be too close to any dudes.
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He's like, what do you want to hold hands or something?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And when Dean Martin and Ricky Nelson are singing, it's like the only time he's ever close to two men who are also close to each other.
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And it's like, yeah, those dudes can go off and fuck.
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You can share a sidewalk with your boy, but y'all can harmonize and beat a little sweet tongue.
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Exactly.
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You know, this is the old west for me.
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Again, repo man.
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John Wayne was a heftsler.
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It's fantastic.
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I could not believe how much I loved this movie.
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It's very good.
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It's so good.
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It's one of my favorite things I've watched for the first time this year.
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I would have to go back and look at my list.
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Anyone who loves movies should just own it because it's like $8 to own.
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Yeah, 100%.
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And there's a John Carpenter commentary on it that I will be listening to at some point.
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So that Rio Bravo and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance are my two highs for the week.
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I'm in such a western phase right now.
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That's good.
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I can't get past it.
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I wore my Stetson today to work.
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I just... And I've been reading all this Larry McMurtry, and I just... I'm so invested in it.
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As a Texan, like, the fall weather makes me feel the most Western.
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100%.
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Because growing up, that's when we had, like...
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Square dance is in two steps.
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Yeah, for sure.
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There's something to that.
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Rodeo season is starting up.
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Yeah, there's something about it.
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I get it.
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I love that.
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It's deep in my buns right now.
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Well, listener, thank you so much.
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I don't know whether you already heard the Red and Joe segment or whether you're about to, but whether or not, I hope they didn't fuck up too bad.
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Dun-da-da-dun-da-dun-da-dun-da.
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