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PGW 29: THE FOG and John Carpenter with Andy Ingalls!
4 Plays11 months ago
We brought Andy back from a great fog descending over the bay to come and talk about the films of the horror master himself, John Carpenter. There's a lot of talk about The Human Centipede here as well.
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Introduction and Podcast Theme
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Welcome to Paddington Gone Wild, the internet's only John Carpenter fan cast.
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I am one of your hosts, Red Rankin.
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I'm joined, as always, by my illustrious co-host, our favorite Lighthouse podcast host, Zach.
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That's right.
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I could, yeah, out of all of us, I could see Zach hosting a podcast from a lighthouse.
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He's also the only one of us who's hotter than Adrian Barbeau in the fog.
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So he should take that.
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He should take that.
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Hachi machi.
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Hachi machi.
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The fellow who found the devil in a tube, Joe.
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That is true.
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I'm experimenting with lots of goops and goos.
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You've got to stop.
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My fairies and goos.
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That wasn't a jacking off joke.
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That was a science joke.
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You're on this podcast.
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What do you expect from me?
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It's called subverting expectations.
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Jesus Christ.
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It will be fun to talk about the movie where Flubber is the devil.
Admiration for 'Starman'
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Robert is the devil.
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And Robin Williams is his apostle.
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Jesus Christ.
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Praise God.
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It's a nice read.
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The alien from another planet and Jenny Hayden's love, Austin.
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Gang, gang.
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That's me.
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I think no one on Earth loves Starman as much as Austin.
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I love Starman so much.
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What a great movie.
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Good movie.
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And the only fella who rivals Keith David's voice work and returning guest, Andy Ingalls.
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That's a great intro.
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Ooh, love that.
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Thank you.
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It would have been weird if they cast you as the president of Rick and Morty, though.
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The same cartoon art and everything.
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Right.
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Cartoons have a history of casting black characters.
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Yeah, but you can't really do that anymore.
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Even the Simpsons rectified that at a certain point.
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I was picturing Andy doing an impression like the Sunny episode where D does Obama.
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I mean, SNL did have Armisen.
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Armisen did play Obama for like two years on SNL, which is very funny to think back on.
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I thought you were going to reference Dennis' CCH Pounder.
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Oh, that's also really good.
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That's also a great one.
Tracy Morgan as a National Treasure
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To quote the thing that the five of us always quote whenever we're on here, 30 Rock.
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Tracy is gone for an episode, and Josh goes, can I play Barack Obama?
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And Liz goes, it's bad enough we have Tracy playing Barack Obama.
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Speaking of 30 Rock, did y'all see the clip this week of Tracy Morgan?
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No.
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Just sitting in the airport at the top of his lawn.
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Badass.
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Oh, that's so cool.
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What a national treasure he is.
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I wish I could remember what song it was.
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He is the greatest.
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I love
Humor and the Human Centipede
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him so much.
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I have a question for everybody.
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I have a question for everybody.
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Okay.
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It requires... Matty!
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I'm glad that picked up on Mike.
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She's coming.
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Oh, good.
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Oh, this is already one of our better bits.
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Uh-huh.
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Okay, so here's my question.
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Matty's here.
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She has to answer first because I think it'll be the funniest.
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Okay.
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Which do you think would be the best position to be in on the human centipede?
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Go.
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Actually, hold on, hold on.
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I'm going to change my question because the best one is obviously the front.
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That's no question.
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What's the worst position to be in?
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Oh my God.
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Hang on.
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So I cannot choose the front.
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No, the front is the best.
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You know, I'm saying what's the worst.
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What's the second best?
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The second best.
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Oh.
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It's either the middle or the back.
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Probably the back, right?
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Hang on.
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This is where it's interesting.
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Okay, Maddie says the back.
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Thank you.
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That's all we did.
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I love you, Maddie.
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That's so wrong.
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In later human centipede films, they add more people to the centipede.
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Correct.
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The back, I would say, is the worst because not only are you eating shit from another human's ass, you don't have someone eating your ass, which is like a little bit of a pleasurable experience.
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Yeah.
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You can find, you can, there's something to be found in the pleasure.
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There's a silver lining to the middle.
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There's no real silver lining to the back.
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Yeah, it goes front to back in terms of preference completely.
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100%.
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I'm glad we're on the same page here.
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I guess I have a logistical question, though.
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After one has passed what is coming through, you're not removed from the centipede, right?
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No, no.
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It's till you die.
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It's perpetual.
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You're just there.
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The worst has got to be the second one.
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The worst has got to be the second who's just like number two, because then you're like, it's all number two.
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No.
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Yeah.
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See, but no, you're receiving and you're sending and then you're just stuck there and you will starve to death second.
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Like, it's just like, you're not even first to starve to death.
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You're second to starve to death.
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You don't even get sweet relief first.
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You don't get sweet relief first.
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And then your head is just stuck in the asshole of a dead person.
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It's stuck in the asshole of a dead person.
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Yeah.
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Like, I feel like there's a lot to say about, like, the anticipation being a problem later.
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Yes.
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They do cover that on South Park.
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That is something they very much...
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I'm not going to do the voice because it's very Japanese.
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You mean the cuttlefish?
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Yeah, we all know.
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We can all know.
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No, no, see, your intention played as loud as if you did the impression.
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That's my brand, is to do something that's basically the bad thing, but to cut off before I can get canceled.
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And then say, like, I wouldn't do the bad thing.
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I wouldn't have done it.
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Joe, what if Jerry Seinfeld was at the front of the human centipede?
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I wish the person behind me was a 12-year-old girl!
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Oh, no!
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It's nice to have an audience.
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No.
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I just do that voice all the time anyway.
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Oh, Jesus.
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And your wife just walks out.
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Good Lord in heaven.
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Here's the thing.
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Bye, Matty.
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I'll say things that are truly just heinous, and Matty will be like, okay.
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I had some pretty vile opinions about the Menendez Brothers show she was watching, and I won't give you those on the pod.
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Yeah, we can talk about it.
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Maybe it'll come up later.
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You are truly so blessed, Joe.
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I know.
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You found the perfect partner for you.
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I'm so happy for you.
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I really am.
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Seeing you two together brings me so much joy.
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It's lovely, and I love the two of us together, and I love Matty.
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Beautiful.
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Cheers.
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Cheers to that.
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Cheers to that.
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PGW, the only podcast about true love on the end.
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It's true love and the most fucked up movies you've ever heard of in your life.
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Just very briefly, before we actually start talking about some fucked up, really fun movies, Joe talking about the Menendez brothers, I just...
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I have to shout out my friends Jake and Cutter, who will not stop recommending the Menendez Brothers show to me.
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To the point now where I think I've just decided that I refuse to interact with it.
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Yeah.
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I will say it's fine.
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The first episode, however, is directed by the guy that directed Devil in a Blue Dress.
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Oh, Carl Franklin?
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That's exciting.
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He does a lot of TV directing and it's all pretty good from what I've seen of it.
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It's directed pretty well.
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And also, fucking Anton Chigurh.
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Hold on.
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Javier Bardem is really good in it.
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I mean, wouldn't say bad.
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He's good in fucking Lyle Lyle Crocodile.
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That's how you know.
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That the man has it.
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His character, Little Mermaid, is funny.
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He was just doing Anton Chigurh, but instead of being like, how much have you ever lost in a coin toss?
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He was like, I love my daughter.
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I love my finned daughter.
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Wait, Andy, there's a total non sequitur.
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I meant to text you this today, and then I forgot, so I'm going to ask you live on pod.
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You know Alex Hurt, right?
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William Hurt's son?
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Yeah.
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So he's the star of the new Larry Fessenden movie.
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And he got shouted out on the big pic today.
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Or this past episode.
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Your buddy got shouted out on the big picture.
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So I thought about you.
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I was like, wow, that's so cool.
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Amazing guy.
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Like a terrific actor.
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I've seen him on stage.
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He went to the same graduate school I went to.
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I walked up to him at the audition.
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So we're in the callbacks for this acting school, this graduate school.
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And I was like, that guy looks awfully familiar.
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And it's not just because like half of his gene pool was in broadcast news.
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It was like,
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I was like, I know him from somewhere.
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And I had seen him do this play of scenes from a marriage.
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So the Bergman film was made into a play.
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And then I think it was actually the play that was adapted into that miniseries.
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Oscar Isaac, Jessica Chastain.
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So it starts as a TV show, becomes a movie, becomes a play, becomes a TV show.
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Exactly.
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Full circle.
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Full circle.
Film Discussion: Alex Hurt and Larry Fessenden
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Yeah, full 21st century cycle.
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It would be cool to see it as a play though.
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It was an amazing play.
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I've only seen the Swedish TV version.
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Yeah.
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Was it Van Hova doing it?
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It was Eva Van Hova.
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Eva Van Hova directing it?
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Directing it.
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And it was Alex and this actress named Susanna Flood, who's like one of my favorite actors of her generation on stage.
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And it's my favorite thing I've ever seen on stage in New York.
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And it had this amazing thing where there were three scenes from different marriages that were happening simultaneously.
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And then when the scenes were done, they were all like sort of in separate rooms around the same circular set.
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And there were three different audience spaces with walls
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in between.
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And so they're all in different sides.
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And then when the scene is over, the audience gets up and rotates and you go, the audience moves and you see the same scene there.
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And so they do that.
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That's the first three scenes.
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The audience moves around and then the audience leaves
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for an hour, we had an hour long intermission.
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The entire set, that whole circular set lifts like 15 feet off the ground.
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And the entire second act is all like eight of the actors doing the same scene at the same time in this wide open, like concrete space.
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And I was completely flabbergasted.
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I was amazed.
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Yeah, it was incredible.
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So I walked up to Alex, and Alex, incredibly lovely, kind, gracious guy, and I was like, hey, I just wanted to say thank you for being here for this, like, you know, alumni panel for this thing.
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And for the auditions.
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And he was like, yeah, hey, man, here's my number.
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Text me.
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Let me know if you get in.
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Let me know if you don't get in.
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And we had, like, after I got into the school, we had, like, an hour-long phone call.
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Oh.
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And he just was like, like, walked me through his experience and talked all about it.
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And I went and saw him in a play that summer before I started.
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And, and he was incredible.
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And I just, I adore him.
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I'm so happy that he's a star of a movie.
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That's great.
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That's really great.
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Yeah.
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He got it.
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He got a big shout out on the, on the big picture.
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They were doing like their top five horror movies of the year.
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And the Larry Fessenden, Larry Fessenden made like a Wolfman movie.
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Yeah.
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Alex is the star.
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I really, I really want to watch it.
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Okay.
John Carpenter's Filmmaking Style
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What's it called?
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It's called Blackout, I think.
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Interesting.
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There's a Christopher Abbott wolfman.
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Coming.
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Lee Waddle.
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Directed by Lee Waddle.
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Oh my God, yes.
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The fucking king.
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I'm actually excited for the resurgence of old monster movies.
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Yeah.
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I love that.
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Keep doing that.
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I'm going to try to see if I can pull some strings and see if we can get Lee on the show.
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Please.
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Please.
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We'll see.
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Lee has... Lee's the most famous person I've ever heard who has read anything I've ever written, which was horrifying.
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He read my review of...
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Of the Invisible Man, which I was very glad it was a glowing review.
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I fucking love that movie.
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It's a great movie.
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I love that movie.
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He hasn't made anything that I think is even remotely bad.
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No, he's an amazing director.
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Him and Juan, that collaboration.
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Yeah, and he's the one guy out there
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There's a bunch of guys, but he's the one guy making mainstream horror movies on digital that I'm like, you're doing this in a really fascinating, interesting way.
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And I love him for that because it's hard out there in them streets.
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He's figuring it out.
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People just trying to make digital look like film, and that's gross.
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No, he's like, I'm shooting on digital.
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You know who's a guy who shot a lot of horror movies on film and they all look pretty fucking ghoul?
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Is it John Kappendan?
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Yeah, shout out to Dean Cundey, the teddy bear.
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Shout out to the gone.
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Yes.
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John Carpenter.
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John Carpenter.
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He's from Kentucky.
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He definitely doesn't sound like that.
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John Carpenter.
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John Carpenter.
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I was going to go home and watch a couple of John Carpenter movies later.
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Hey, how about that?
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He's from Stephen King territory.
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He's from Salem's Lot.
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I know.
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He's from Kentucky.
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I was just making a joke.
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No, I loved... We're about to talk about the movie, but I have to say loved his cameo.
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Loved seeing him.
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He looked hot.
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That's my main thesis on this movie.
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Again, we're going to talk about it.
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Sorry to jump in.
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Everybody's hot in this movie.
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It's 100%.
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Every last soul in this movie is sexy as all.
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It's one of the key ingredients to a good horror film is have everybody be in it hot.
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Be baddies.
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They all need to be baddies.
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So this is the John Carpenter episode.
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We kind of teased this a little bit last week with Kat.
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We said we were going to bring Andy back to talk about John Carpenter.
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And specifically, we're going to talk about his 1980 kind of I referenced this earlier.
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I think it's his underseen masterpiece.
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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I think it doesn't really serve it well, but it is smushed between perhaps his two greatest films.
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Yeah.
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So it ends up.
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It's hard when you're just hitting constant dingers.
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You know, you're not going to remember the second dinger you hit.
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Wait a second, Red.
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Sorry, I just have to clarify.
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One of the greatest films was the TV movie Elvis.
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What was the other one?
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With Kurt Russell playing Elvis.
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Yeah, yeah.
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On the other side.
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Escape from LA.
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Okay, okay.
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The other one is actually Boz Lerman's Elvis, but Red keeps thinking John Carpenter directed that.
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I totally get that.
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Buzz Lerman was drunk with Tom Hanks the whole time while Tom Hanks was coming down with COVID.
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Yeah.
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I thought so.
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Okay, good.
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I just wanted to clear that up.
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Just clear that up.
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So this is an episode about the fog and about the films of John Carpenter.
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We are going to start by talking about the fog.
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We're going to do a little bit different than how we've been running these previous shows.
00:15:02
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See, Rob's holding up his Blu-ray, baby.
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Oh, yeah.
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The Scream Factory Blu-ray.
00:15:07
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Yeah, it's true.
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The best.
00:15:08
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And I'm really glad that we shouted at Z-Rod because Zach was the one who chose The Fog.
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I think he was the first of us.
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Maybe Joe as well were the first two to like- They locked in.
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What movie they wanted to talk about.
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And so that kind of inspired-
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this to be a whole John Carpenter episode.
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It's a shocker for any of you who may know us, but Red and I kind of waffled on our decisions.
00:15:31
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Yeah, it's true.
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It took a long time and it wasn't until like September 26th.
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Well, because Red also wanted the one that I was floating and I wouldn't quite nail it down.
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And then I was like, no, you can't have it.
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It's mine.
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So it was great.
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He was very gracious.
00:15:48
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I did not waffle because I think about this movie constantly.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I mean, John Carpenter is a choice for obvious reasons.
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Like, genuinely don't think I've seen a movie he's made that I didn't like.
00:16:03
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I mean, they're all bad.
00:16:05
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On some level.
00:16:05
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Don't watch Ghosts of Mars.
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Ha ha ha!
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I mean, that's one of the few I have not seen.
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Just if you want to maintain your angelic view of the man, do not watch Ghosts of Mars.
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I will say, Zach and I met up at a video store in San Antonio yesterday.
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It was beautiful.
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We had a wonderful time.
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We made out in the corner.
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It was gorgeous.
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But we...
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I was looking at their list and I said, I really wish I loved Escape from L.A.
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And even Zach was like, the basketball scene is good.
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Like he found something to really love.
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And I have so much respect for that because there's a there's cool things.
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And there's a couple of things.
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But I mean, he's always got some juice, but I don't think the movie is good.
00:16:46
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But yeah, I'll watch the basketball scene.
00:16:48
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There's some stuff.
00:16:49
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over and over again um but john carpenter top to bottom except for ghost from mars apparently um pretty good stuff but i specifically am just in love with the films that dean cundy shot for him and for the listener that doesn't know dean cundy is a cinematographer that worked on a lot of john carpenter's early horror stuff and then
00:17:12
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moved on to make a lot of like family film favorites like uh robert zemeckis and steven spielberg movies so like back to the future and some other stuff and yeah as one director's credit under his name and that's honey we shrunk ourselves yes i love that movie the movie that the movie of that series that i've by far seen the most oh my god he shot jurassic park
00:17:35
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Yeah, dude.
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Dean Cundy is the man.
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And the reason I love his work with John Carpenter is it was at the beginning of both of their careers.
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And I feel like they together found a lot of ways to just make things look cool on a budget.
00:17:52
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Sorry, he also shot Jack and Jill.
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I'm sorry.
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Yo, pretty good.
00:17:57
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He's also the cinematographer for the Garfield movie.
00:18:00
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Yeah.
00:18:01
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Hilarious.
00:18:02
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A Tale of Two Kitties?
00:18:04
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You gotta make your buck.
00:18:05
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The recent Garfield movie?
00:18:07
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It's the one from the 2000s.
00:18:09
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Yeah, Garfield, A Tale of Two Kitties.
00:18:12
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That is the sequel.
00:18:13
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The first one is just called The Garfield Movie.
00:18:15
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Okay, one, two, okay.
00:18:16
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Zach, please continue.
00:18:17
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Sorry, where was I?
00:18:19
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Yeah, specifically the movies they made together just have this like feel to it where it
00:18:27
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On one hand, it's just like objectively feels American as fuck.
00:18:31
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All of the things they made together just have this like 80s Americana like identity baked into them.
00:18:38
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But they also are very textured films that feel very cozy and in the horror genre make them really, really rewatchable, which is one of my favorite things a horror movie can be.
00:18:51
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The reason I chose The Fog in particular for us to talk to today is because I feel like it is potentially the coziest of all of John Carpenter.
Atmosphere in 'The Fog'
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It takes place in this quaint, historian, West Coast town that feels like Cannon Beach in Oregon or something.
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And it's gorgeous.
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And you want to live there.
00:19:11
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You want to listen to the radio DJed by Stephen May.
00:19:15
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Stephen May.
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And I don't know.
00:19:17
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There's just something charming about the movie.
00:19:19
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And I think some of it comes down to like,
00:19:21
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John Carpenter has just recently become infatuated and fallen in love with this woman, Adrienne Barbeau, and just puts her in this movie.
00:19:31
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I don't remember if they met right before or right after they got together for the project, but that's like when they met and then ended up marrying briefly.
00:19:39
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But yeah, you just see her as his muse in this movie.
00:19:42
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And then probably the closest to a family movie night, John Carpenter movie, you can get barring one kind of weird scene with Jamie Lee Curtis and a guy 30 years older than her.
00:19:55
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I have a significant question about that.
00:20:00
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So at the beginning of the movie, there's a moment where a hitchhiker picks up Jamie or a guy driving a truck picks up Jamie Lee Curtis.
00:20:09
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She's hitchhiking.
00:20:11
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Are they doing a bit or is she genuinely hitchhiking and they just end up fucking?
00:20:16
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Genuinely.
00:20:17
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Okay.
00:20:18
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Because the first time I watched it, that was my take.
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And then this time when it very abruptly, and in my opinion, well, cuts to them in bed after, and they don't know each other's name.
00:20:31
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I was like, wait, was that just like a sex thing?
00:20:34
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It was just the freedom.
00:20:35
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Yeah.
00:20:37
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coming out of the 70s i feel like yeah no i i respect that it was just a question i'm just not realizing that the scene where jamie lee curtis gets picked up by the truck driver is the exact same plot as the movie road games the australian indie horror movie uh but instead of uh that guy who i don't know his name it's stacy keach
00:21:00
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Yeah, the guy in this movie is Tom Atkins.
00:21:02
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Yeah.
00:21:02
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Who's also the star of Halloween 3.
00:21:05
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Oh, yeah.
00:21:06
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Of the diet.
00:21:06
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Shut up.
00:21:07
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Shut up.
00:21:08
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Shut up.
00:21:10
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He does look terrible.
00:21:11
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He's the ugliest person in this movie.
00:21:13
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It's because he doesn't have a mustache.
00:21:15
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That guy should always have a fucking mustache.
00:21:17
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He's awesome in Halloween 3.
00:21:19
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He's great in Halloween 3.
00:21:20
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Okay, a very brief question, which might end up being a longer question before we get to Andy, because I do want to hear from Andy about why...
00:21:27
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he was drawn to this episode.
Jamie Lee Curtis' Evolving Roles
00:21:31
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In what film is JLC hotter?
00:21:33
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This one or True Lies?
00:21:36
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True Lies.
00:21:36
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True Lies.
00:21:37
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Yeah.
00:21:37
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She's allowed to be hotter in True Lies.
00:21:39
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She's gorgeous in this, but like James Cameron...
00:21:46
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is controlling his camera with his penis in True Lies.
00:21:50
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James Cameron also has a thing for very authoritative, stately women.
00:21:56
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Shout out to Sigourney.
00:21:58
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I'm just far more drawn to Adrian Barbo in this movie, so that's more on my mind in that ballpark.
00:22:05
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Yeah.
00:22:06
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Yeah.
00:22:06
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It feels it feels more in this movie like Jamie Lee Curtis.
00:22:09
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They had just worked together and he was like, I've got a part for you.
00:22:11
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It's like you're not going to be the star, but I've got a part for you.
00:22:14
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Absolutely.
00:22:14
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And she showed up and did it.
00:22:15
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And she's great.
00:22:16
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Like she serves the movie, but it's also I've got a part for you that is quite different from the like innocent ingenue of Halloween.
00:22:24
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and in a way i was thinking about true lies watching this movie because i was like oh it's sort of like the the character she played in halloween becomes the character that she plays in the fog in the midst of true lies because it's sort of like the buttoned up oh yeah to the sexy going to sort of like the less reserved the loose yeah or like you're gonna love this flick when you i will i would love to i love stacy keach
00:22:49
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Sorry, just real quick The pitch to this movie is that it's a It's like a highway serial killer In the outback of Australia So it's like Jamie Lee Curtis is on a truck With this guy, Stacey Keach And they're both on the run from this Highway-based serial killer And it turns into like a cat and mouse It's very good Awesome Love it What is wrong with you?
00:23:16
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Red, why are you looking like that?
00:23:18
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I'll just say it.
00:23:21
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Joe started talking about cat and mouse, and then I was thinking about Jamie Lee Curtis, and I was going to say I'd like to see her cat, and then I was... Okay.
00:23:29
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I had to show her cat to my mouse.
00:23:31
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There you go.
00:23:32
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I punched your joke up for you.
00:23:34
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Okay, Penny Youngman.
00:23:36
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Yeah, that's a good call, Zach.
00:23:39
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That's a very Henny Youngman joke.
00:23:40
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I'm glad podcasting is an audio medium because my face, my neck, and my ears are now white.
00:23:48
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Yeah, you all can't see, but Red's face is the color of his hair, so it's kind of shocking to see.
00:23:53
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Andy!
00:23:54
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You want to talk to him?
00:23:55
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I would love to.
00:23:58
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I'll fish you right out there, Brad.
00:24:00
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Thank you.
00:24:01
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So one thing that I'll say specifically about this movie that I love is that John Carpenter takes a goddamn swing.
00:24:09
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And when he starts his filmmaking career, it seems like...
00:24:14
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I don't know, one of the reasons that I'm so drawn to him is that in a way it seems like coming from being a musician and being a composer and bringing that whole shape, that whole dimension of horror in with him, the synthesizers and the high arching themes
00:24:35
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that we get that are so important to the essence of Halloween.
00:24:40
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And it's more subdued in the fog and you get more of it, I think, in the thing.
00:24:45
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And so like this is a strange sort of moment where the theme in this movie, the musical theme doesn't seem as fully realized as the others.
00:24:54
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It's funny you say that because in the opening credits, it says music by John Carpenter and then right underneath it has another credit saying, Electronic Realization.
00:25:03
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Yeah.
00:25:03
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Yeah.
00:25:04
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Interesting.
00:25:04
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By Dan Wyman.
00:25:05
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Yeah.
00:25:06
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Yeah.
00:25:06
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And no, I was thinking about that watching it.
00:25:08
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I was like, I love that job title, but I don't know why.
00:25:10
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Like, it seems like I wonder if somehow his attention was split because he was acting in that scene and that just like totally drew his attention.
00:25:21
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No, but I wonder, like, if being, like, sort of in love with the lead with Adrienne Barbeau, I wonder if there were other aspects of this thing that he was working sort of in all, everything was new when he was making Halloween, when he was, like,
00:25:38
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I wonder if the musical theme comes first and then the story comes or something like that.
00:25:43
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Yeah, man.
00:25:43
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He wasn't working on music for the movie.
00:25:45
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He was working on love songs in the corner.
00:25:47
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Exactly.
00:25:50
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He was working on the real lovin'.
00:25:51
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The real proper lovin'.
Carpenter's Storytelling Approach
00:25:53
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Give me some.
00:25:54
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But I think he operates, even though I don't love the... The theme is not in my head as much.
00:26:04
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He operates throughout the movie with so much confidence as a filmmaker.
00:26:09
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And things just happen, and we don't need to explain them.
00:26:11
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We don't need to say...
00:26:13
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why they happen.
00:26:14
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These things just happen.
00:26:15
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And this is the world we're living in.
00:26:16
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This is the world that this story is taking place in.
00:26:19
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And it just fucking moves.
00:26:21
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For a movie to start, any movie to start with an Edgar Allan Poe quote, followed by a two and a half minute monologue by the great John Houseman, who was- Founding director of the Juilliard School.
00:26:35
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Exactly what I wrote down in my notes because I was like, this is crazy.
00:26:39
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I was watching it and I was thinking, I bet somewhere along the line, John Houseman was watching Jaws and he said, you know what, Robert Shaw is doing something special.
00:26:50
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And I, in my perch from the Juilliard School would love to do something like what Bobby Shaw is doing there in Jaws.
00:26:57
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I wonder who will allow me to do that in one day of work on a set.
00:27:01
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And it was John Carpenter.
00:27:04
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And he's like, I don't want a scene partner.
00:27:05
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I just want a bunch of kids.
00:27:07
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Yeah.
00:27:09
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If John Houseman shows up and gives you those demands, you just do it.
00:27:11
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You just write the scene.
00:27:13
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I want a bunch of kids.
00:27:13
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I want there to be no explanation other than the mom of one of the kids saying the next day, how was it with the old man telling you stories on the beach last night?
00:27:20
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Which I love.
00:27:22
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That was great.
00:27:23
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Fantastic.
00:27:23
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But he also like he looks at his watch and it's like five minutes till and then he tells a story and actually only two minutes and 40 seconds pass.
00:27:30
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And then it's midnight, which I just also loved.
00:27:34
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It's like time doesn't have to make sense in a John Carpenter movie.
00:27:37
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But I think he makes such big swings in his storytelling.
00:27:41
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There's such confidence in the way he approaches the unfolding of this thing that one of the major plot points of the movie takes place because
00:27:51
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A phenomenon which is otherwise not very physical, like it's mostly electrical and there's some like juddering.
00:27:59
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As far as I know in the movie, there aren't any other stones that fall out of walls, but the one stone that does fall out of a wall has a hundred year old murder diary behind it.
00:28:09
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And that hundred year old murder diary is the plot, is basically the plot of the movie.
00:28:13
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If there's any explanation of anything that happens, it's there.
00:28:17
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And then we follow that hundred year old murder diary somewhat.
00:28:21
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Thank you, Hal Holbrook.
00:28:23
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God bless him.
00:28:24
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To the very bitter end.
00:28:27
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And there's something about that, that just like giving an object that much force and that much power in your story.
00:28:34
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It's, it's so, it's magical.
00:28:36
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And it's, and there's something, yeah.
00:28:38
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It's, it's a really good way to get around the,
00:28:41
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Like the difference between like Halloween and the fog is that it's pretty easy to follow Michael Myers as a villain.
00:28:48
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He's right.
00:28:49
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He's a evil presence.
00:28:51
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He's coming for you.
00:28:52
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Yeah.
00:28:53
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You're not going to get away.
00:28:54
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It's the simplest story.
00:28:55
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He is explicitly corporeal.
00:28:57
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Yeah.
00:28:57
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And so with the fog, with something that weird and sort of that like out there as a villain,
00:29:04
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Like, it's a good way to give some background that would make that make sense in a way that you don't have to for Michael Myers.
00:29:13
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Yeah.
00:29:13
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But to do it in a way that doesn't seem like bullshit exposition, but in a way that makes it seem really important that you're hearing.
00:29:20
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Well, even the way that he delivers bullshit exposition in this movie is fun because the kid fired telling ghost stories with kids.
00:29:28
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And the murder diary, like Andy said.
00:29:31
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You get Hal Holbrook, again, with a great mustache, just doing his thing.
00:29:37
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With some great editing in there, too.
00:29:39
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The editor of this movie is Tommy Lee Wallace, who went on to direct Halloween 3.
00:29:44
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Which is fun that Carpenter is like, I'm out, but let's keep it in the fan.
00:29:50
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Yeah, yeah.
00:29:52
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which is what he did for most of those like original a lot of those sequels up until there's like the shift around five or six like around like h2o yeah yeah i think it changes
00:30:06
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Well, there's one thing I know about John Carpenter is that he's not going to do anything that requires him getting off of his ass unless he really cares about it.
00:30:13
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Yeah, it's true.
00:30:14
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Which is amazing to consider.
00:30:15
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I mean, I'm sure he was a little more like active and excited when he was younger.
00:30:19
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But even if you look at back at those interviews, he's very he's very demure about like his work life, like way back when.
00:30:26
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But it's like he was he was willing to get excited.
00:30:29
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He was willing to get into it.
00:30:31
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And like.
00:30:32
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Like y'all were talking about, it's like this movie, like Joe was talking about, it's so much more convoluted in a way that I like.
00:30:38
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Yeah, it's not bad convoluted.
00:30:40
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There's so much setup, but you still get in and out in 92 minutes.
00:30:44
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He's still like, we're not going to take our time with this.
00:30:47
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Like, I'm going to give you this setup.
00:30:49
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You're going to know exactly what the fuck is going on because I am a master.
00:30:53
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And then we're just going to ride the wave.
00:30:55
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Well, he carried that into Escape from New York.
00:30:58
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That movie is a very complicated setup movie, too, but he does it so fast.
00:31:03
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And it doesn't matter after he sets it up.
00:31:05
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And you learn more about it as you go through the movie.
00:31:07
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That's kind of how the fog works, too.
00:31:08
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Speaking of Carpenter's Crew, in the special features for the fog, there's an interview with Dean Cundey.
00:31:17
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and he's just like an adorable teddy bear like we were saying like um but he's talking about he's like yeah i went to film school and uh after i started off as a set designer i refocused cinematography no pun intended actually no fully intended pun it's just like great bit
00:31:38
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It's a great dad joke.
00:31:40
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Speaking of the cinematography, that's like the main thing that I recognize as Carpenter.
00:31:45
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As when I'm watching a Carpenter movie, he shoots anamorphic lenses in the most recognizable way.
00:31:53
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The way he shoots ultra wide angle, almost for the whole flick.
00:31:58
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is so him.
00:31:59
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And I've never seen anyone do it like that.
00:32:02
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Like, no one's, I've never seen anyone replicate how a carpenter movie feels to look at.
00:32:08
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For sure.
00:32:09
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And like the, like the, like the simple cinematography of Halloween is just like, so fucking crazy with the way that it shoots these wide, uh,
00:32:17
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I don't even know how to describe it.
00:32:19
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And they're perfectly lit.
00:32:20
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Yeah.
00:32:20
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The lighting in the Carpenter movies is what gets me the most, especially with this one because you're getting to play with fog machines and lights and most of that fog, no, all of that fog is practical.
00:32:32
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It's just composited sometimes.
00:32:34
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Really poorly composited sometimes.
00:32:36
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There's one moment where it's moving across the bay and you see it go across the window pane and you're like, well, that's not possible.
00:32:44
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But I'm charmed by that.
00:32:46
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Like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, dude, go crazy.
00:32:49
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Like, yeah, it's a,
00:32:53
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One thing, and we'll get into this when we start having the more general and larger Carpenter discussion, is he feels like a really economical filmmaker, especially in his early years.
00:33:05
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And sometimes it's like just the nature of, hey, we only have so much money.
00:33:11
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Hey, we need a William Shatner mask.
00:33:13
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Can you...
00:33:14
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paint it this bluish white hey we only have so many leaves to shoot this film in Los Angeles that has to look like a fictional town in Illinois in the fall but there's there's these little things and Joe I love the talk about the anamorphic lenses the way that everything's shot so wide but there is a real specificity to what makes a carpenter flick look like a carpenter flick and even I think
00:33:45
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This is going to sound very pretentious, and I think, frankly, because it is.
00:33:49
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There is a level of an untrained eye that watches a movie and watches something like Wally Pfister's cinematography for any of those Nolan movies.
00:33:58
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And there is a level of athleticism.
00:34:02
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There's this big scale.
00:34:03
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There's a lot that's happening.
00:34:05
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There's a lot of movement that's taking place in the frame or the frame itself is shifting that allows you to go, that's a fucking cool shot.
00:34:12
Speaker
but it takes the time to really think and consider and consider the lenses that are used and how these things are made that makes a movie like The Fog feel so exciting.
00:34:26
Speaker
Well, and it goes back to lighting too, right?
00:34:31
Speaker
Because the thing that people don't realize about Wally Pfister specifically is that he is one of the only people who lights like he does.
00:34:39
Speaker
He has the crispest
00:34:42
Speaker
Like when you watch a Wally Pfister movie, I don't even know how to describe like Moneyball, fucking any of his stuff that he shot with Nolan.
00:34:51
Speaker
It's so interstellar.
00:34:53
Speaker
It's so, I don't know.
00:34:55
Speaker
Like he backlights better than anyone in the business.
00:34:59
Speaker
And that's the thing.
00:35:00
Speaker
Like if you compare, like compare any Carpenter movie to its remake and you'll just watch it go from someone who knows how to light and someone who doesn't like,
00:35:11
Speaker
David Gordon Green can't write for shit because what he should be doing is making stoner movie sequels because he's fine at those.
00:35:21
Speaker
He's great at those.
00:35:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:23
Speaker
But if you can't light like John Carpenter, don't try to make fucking Halloween.
00:35:27
Speaker
Or just make Halloween as a funny stoner movie spinoff.
00:35:31
Speaker
That would have been fine.
00:35:32
Speaker
I mean, I would have preferred that to what he did.
00:35:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:36
Speaker
For sure.
00:35:36
Speaker
The Exorcist as a funny stoner spinoff would have been hilarious.
00:35:40
Speaker
Listen, Austin, no one's going to and no one needs to remake Halloween because we have it.
00:35:44
Speaker
You're right.
00:35:45
Speaker
I agree with you.
00:35:46
Speaker
I agree with you.
00:35:47
Speaker
It's how I feel about most remakes.
00:35:48
Speaker
I'm with you.
00:35:49
Speaker
I'm with you.
00:35:50
Speaker
Except for The Thing, which is a remake.
00:35:53
Speaker
The Thing is a better remake.
00:35:55
Speaker
The original's not good.
00:35:56
Speaker
No, the original's not very good at all.
00:35:58
Speaker
And then the 2010's remake is also bad.
00:36:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:01
Speaker
But it has Mary Elizabeth Weinstein in it.
00:36:03
Speaker
So actually, why hold your time?
00:36:06
Speaker
Well, I love her.
00:36:08
Speaker
I love her.
00:36:09
Speaker
But yeah.
00:36:11
Speaker
Do y'all know anything about the Easter eggs of the thing like in multiple movies before he made the thing?
00:36:17
Speaker
Like, is that something that he just always wanted to do and love that movie and
00:36:22
Speaker
He was just dropping in.
00:36:23
Speaker
I remember hearing that the thing from another world was like a movie that he was that he like loved.
00:36:30
Speaker
And so it must be because it's on the TV and Halloween and then Susie Wayne drives a thing in the fog.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:39
Speaker
We should just say, too, like John Carpenter is the biggest apostle for Howard Hawks to ever live.
00:36:47
Speaker
I mean, the thing is basically, I mean, it is a remake of a Howard Hawks movie, but it is a Howard Hawks movie.
00:36:52
Speaker
It's a Hawks movie.
00:36:53
Speaker
And like if you look at like his sight and sound list from 2012 is four Howard Hawks movies out of his 10.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:01
Speaker
Shout out, one of the most dudes rock directors of all time.
00:37:04
Speaker
100%.
00:37:05
Speaker
But Hawks is what we're talking about.
00:37:07
Speaker
Hawks is economical.
00:37:08
Speaker
Austin picked up Rio Bravo the other day.
00:37:10
Speaker
I did, and I picked up a copy of Rio Bravo when we were at the Blu-ray store.
00:37:14
Speaker
But Hawks is economical.
00:37:16
Speaker
He works with great people.
00:37:19
Speaker
He's not interested in Flash.
00:37:23
Speaker
And he was coming up at a time where that was a lot harder to do, obviously.
00:37:26
Speaker
But it's like, he is like...
00:37:29
Speaker
good actors, good collaborators.
00:37:32
Speaker
Let's get the shots we need and move on.
00:37:35
Speaker
And like, you can feel that ethic in, throughout all of Carpenter's work.
00:37:40
Speaker
I mean, I would say up to like the, you know, late nineties.
00:37:43
Speaker
And even then you can, I mean, it's still there, but.
00:37:46
Speaker
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:37:47
Speaker
I was gonna say, do you guys want to hear what a Carpenter site and sound list is?
00:37:52
Speaker
Would love to.
00:37:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:54
Speaker
Only Angels Have Wings is on there, right?
00:37:55
Speaker
Only Angels Have Wings.
00:37:57
Speaker
Chimes at Midnight, the Wells film, but he has it in Spanish.
00:38:01
Speaker
He has the title in Spanish.
00:38:03
Speaker
Cool.
00:38:03
Speaker
Cabanadas a Medianoche.
00:38:04
Speaker
Leo Bravo.
00:38:08
Speaker
The Discreet Charms of the Bourgeoisie, the Bunuel movie.
00:38:11
Speaker
Nice.
00:38:11
Speaker
What's him meaning to get to Bunuel?
00:38:14
Speaker
same Andy's a good guy if we ever want to do a Bunuel cast my therapist once said do you know what the most important thing is that you can do for yourself right now watch every film Louis Bunuel ever made that's a great advertisement I went and did it then follows that up with Chinatown pretty fucking good flick bringing a baby Howard Hawks The Searchers
00:38:40
Speaker
Another Bunuel, the exterminating angel.
00:38:42
Speaker
Hawks is Scarface and Vertigo.
00:38:47
Speaker
It's a pretty good list.
00:38:47
Speaker
I mean, you know, you can't fault the guy.
00:38:49
Speaker
He's got good taste.
00:38:51
Speaker
Now he just plays video games.
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah, I was about to say, he didn't put 2K22 on there.
00:38:56
Speaker
Or Fallout 76.
00:38:57
Speaker
Or Fallout 76.
00:38:58
Speaker
I do love how clearly obsessed with Hitchcock Carpenter is.
00:39:04
Speaker
I mean, who isn't?
00:39:07
Speaker
I mean, he obviously loves and garners the suspense from that.
00:39:13
Speaker
Hitchcock is like the first director everybody learns to love.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, and then casting Janet Leigh in The Fog.
00:39:19
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's a huge one.
00:39:21
Speaker
That's a huge part of it.
00:39:22
Speaker
Casting Jamie Lee.
00:39:23
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, casting Jamie Lee in Halloween was like, oh, you're Janet Leigh's daughter?
00:39:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:28
Speaker
Hell yeah, let's go.
00:39:29
Speaker
I think it's such an interesting thing, too, Zach, you bringing that up.
00:39:32
Speaker
And I think if I can share this point, that if we have any more final The Fog thoughts for that film specifically, we can.
00:39:39
Speaker
And then otherwise, I think it's a great time to kind of transition into general Carpenter thoughts.
00:39:44
Speaker
But even thinking about, like,
00:39:47
Speaker
Carpenter has gone back and forth over the years.
00:39:50
Speaker
I think in more recent years, he's been pretty like, no, this wasn't my intention at all to like follow the typical slasher.
00:39:58
Speaker
Like final girl has to be a virgin, like things like that in making Halloween.
00:40:04
Speaker
But I think that even more speaks to, and we talked about this when we had our, our discussion about Hitchcock is thinking about,
00:40:13
Speaker
So much of Hitchcock's films and even I think really the earlier Carpenter years, so much of what he's making is speaking to a particular and Zach, I love that you brought up like this version and this view of America.
00:40:30
Speaker
So much of what he is doing is speaking to the puritanical nature of America in the 70s and 80s.
00:40:41
Speaker
I mean, even thinking about a film like The Thing, both in the context of Howard Hawks, but also in the context of Ronald Reagan's America.
00:40:49
Speaker
I mean, dude, Christine.
00:40:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:51
Speaker
Christine is, yeah.
00:40:52
Speaker
Yeah, very Reagan era.
Visual Distinction in 'Christine'
00:40:54
Speaker
It's the movie where capitalism, cars, kills you.
00:40:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:00
Speaker
Christine's like one of the only ones I haven't seen by him.
00:41:04
Speaker
Oh.
00:41:05
Speaker
I mean, it's... But I'm well aware of the premise.
00:41:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
00:41:09
Speaker
What were you going to say about the thing?
00:41:12
Speaker
Oh, no.
00:41:12
Speaker
I was literally just agreeing the exact same point.
00:41:15
Speaker
I was kind of finishing up, but like the thing is a uniquely Reagan-era horror film in the same way that from what it sounds like Christine is as well.
00:41:25
Speaker
Christine is as well.
00:41:26
Speaker
I mean, yeah, Christine is like...
00:41:29
Speaker
Reagan era meets greasers meets like Stephen King.
00:41:34
Speaker
You know, it's like it's his it's the only movie he ever adapted.
00:41:38
Speaker
And to me, Christine is the most carpenter looking movie that he's ever shot.
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good call.
00:41:44
Speaker
I would agree with that.
00:41:45
Speaker
I got to see it in the theater, I think, last year because they really it was like 40th anniversary or something.
00:41:53
Speaker
And just absolutely gorgeous.
00:41:55
Speaker
Also shot by Dean Cundey.
00:41:57
Speaker
I mean, I haven't seen, but I would assume it's like people backlit by car headlights and like cool.
00:42:04
Speaker
It's a lot of that, but it's also like car porn.
00:42:06
Speaker
Like, like a good chunk of it is like Christine is John Carpenter's Grand Budapest Hotel.
00:42:15
Speaker
Oh, that's an interesting way to look at it.
00:42:17
Speaker
I like that.
00:42:17
Speaker
I can't wait to watch this.
00:42:19
Speaker
I might watch it tonight.
00:42:20
Speaker
Next week.
00:42:20
Speaker
Just because that's a very curious comparison.
00:42:22
Speaker
You should check it out.
00:42:23
Speaker
It's on my list for this one.
00:42:25
Speaker
It's self-indulgent in my favorite way.
00:42:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:27
Speaker
It's very stupid.
00:42:29
Speaker
Like, it's... I mean, it's a movie where there's an evil car, but... But it gives it... Like, that's the car's name, not a character?
00:42:37
Speaker
No, it's the car's name.
00:42:38
Speaker
It's Christine.
00:42:39
Speaker
Because, yeah, it's...
00:42:43
Speaker
I love Christine.
00:42:44
Speaker
I think it's like a really in the in the canon of Stephen King movies.
00:42:48
Speaker
I think it's really undersung and in Carpenter as well.
00:42:52
Speaker
But Carpenter, like we were talking about, has so many masterpieces like it's hard to it's hard to look at them all with a clear lens when you're just kind of talking about him in general.
00:43:02
Speaker
But it's it's really great.
00:43:04
Speaker
And he gets to do some stuff.
00:43:06
Speaker
with special effects that he never got to do before or has gotten to do since.
00:43:12
Speaker
Like he, the way there's a great scene, you'll see it when the car has been destroyed and then the car revitalizes itself.
00:43:21
Speaker
And he does all this like, um,
00:43:25
Speaker
Michael Bay.
00:43:26
Speaker
Well, yeah.
00:43:27
Speaker
He gets all this backwards filming done where he's denting the car and then putting the film in reverse so the dents pop out.
00:43:34
Speaker
It's sick as hell.
00:43:36
Speaker
It's just so fucking dope.
00:43:37
Speaker
He always does cool shit with reverse stuff.
00:43:39
Speaker
All of the monster stuff in the thing is so perfectly done.
00:43:46
Speaker
He just has this simple understanding that A, that looks the coolest and B, it's the most unsettling.
00:43:54
Speaker
Like to just turn the film backwards and watch it.
00:43:57
Speaker
It's uncanny valley.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yeah, he just gets that more than anybody else.
00:44:01
Speaker
And he had that like from the start.
00:44:04
Speaker
He was just like, yes, I understand that A, this is going to be easy for me.
00:44:08
Speaker
Go off.
00:44:08
Speaker
This is like going to be awesome to look at.
00:44:11
Speaker
And it's going to be really unsettling.
00:44:12
Speaker
He's, yeah, it's the best.
00:44:16
Speaker
Just in terms of final things about this movie, I just want to shout out my particular favorite moment of this film, of the fog.
00:44:25
Speaker
As they're driving up to the church, because Adrienne Barbeau is on the radio station screaming that the only safe road is the road to the church, which I just think is a great moment.
00:44:37
Speaker
When they get to the church, Janet Leigh jumps out of the car and she says, it cut us off.
00:44:44
Speaker
And sounds like she's complaining about a rude driver and she's actually talking about a fog full of murderous zombie pirates.
00:44:53
Speaker
And to me, that is this film in a nutshell.
00:44:57
Speaker
It is a film that we end with Hal Holbrook wrestling a pirate zombie demon for a giant gold cross
00:45:12
Speaker
And then when we think the zombie demon pirates are gone, they return to have like an 11th hour beheading.
00:45:22
Speaker
It's so weird and so fun and so completely involved with itself and with its own rules in a way that I can totally get on board with.
00:45:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:38
Speaker
I think, I think Andy, you specifically talking about how weird it is and how fun it is, I think is a great transition point to think about John Carpenter as a filmmaker.
Rewatchability of Carpenter's Films
00:45:49
Speaker
And Zach, I love that you talked about the comfort movie aspect when we were doing the slashers episode, the first week of, of horror month, you talked about how you think Halloween is,
00:46:03
Speaker
might have to might be entering the rotation might was a halloween or was a different film that might be entering the rotation as like just comfort yeah it was halloween rewatches yeah where it's like a few times before this year and it rewatching it this year was like just a solidifying like oh yeah i could literally just anytime i even just have an hour to spare throw on some of it absolutely i mean it is
00:46:29
Speaker
not to just name drop another podcast, but it's like they are quintessential rewatchables.
00:46:35
Speaker
Like they are so enjoyable.
00:46:39
Speaker
And I mean, as we've all said, they're relatively breezy.
00:46:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:43
Speaker
It takes Carpenter a long time to get to a film that's two hours.
00:46:48
Speaker
Starman gets up there, but it's a tonally, it's so different.
00:46:51
Speaker
But Starman doesn't feel long.
00:46:53
Speaker
It doesn't feel long.
00:46:54
Speaker
It is breezy.
00:46:56
Speaker
Motherfucker knows how to pace, that's for sure.
00:46:58
Speaker
It's true.
00:46:59
Speaker
It's true.
00:46:59
Speaker
But like, they're just... There's a lot of joy to it.
00:47:04
Speaker
And even thinking about like...
00:47:06
Speaker
the subject matter is like while there's this 11th hour beheading in the fog, it's like for the most part is even if they're dour films and even if you like think about Michael Myers as like this pure manifestation of evil that is like haunting middle America and can kill anyone with anything at any time is you're like, yeah,
00:47:24
Speaker
Yeah, but like, come on, like, come on.
00:47:26
Speaker
I have a question for Andy, actually.
00:47:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:29
Speaker
So although there's a lot of characters in John Carpenter movies that I think fucking rule, most of what draws me to him are like the technical aspects of his movies.
00:47:40
Speaker
So this is probably a question I should have given you some preparation time for.
00:47:44
Speaker
But nonetheless, I'm curious if there's anything that stands out about the characterization of the ensembles in Carpenter's movies as someone that's probably more focused on some of the acting elements.
00:47:57
Speaker
You know, it's funny.
00:47:59
Speaker
I was going to talk about something else, but I definitely... Talk about both, please.
00:48:02
Speaker
I'm going to talk about both.
00:48:03
Speaker
So in terms of the characterization of the ensembles, I think...
00:48:07
Speaker
he's interested in a sort of like, there's almost a Commedia dell'arte thing going on where he has archetypes that are being represented in order to like play out the whole thing.
00:48:20
Speaker
So when we look at, just because I was just thinking about it the other day,
00:48:24
Speaker
like the cabin in the woods thing where they talk about the archetypes that need to be killed every year for the thing for the for the the sacrifice um those are the archetypes that he is dealing with in his movies and so you you have a very wide variation to me for who is
00:48:46
Speaker
who are the actors that he hires who are willing to like take the archetype and fill it with life and who are the actors who are just like this is all you're giving me fuck you and so you get some I would say you get some performances in his movies that are a little bit
00:49:08
Speaker
contemptuous almost.
00:49:10
Speaker
And so I think when his movies get a bad name in terms of performance, I don't think it's the script's fault.
00:49:16
Speaker
I don't think it's his fault.
00:49:17
Speaker
To me, it's almost exclusively the actor's fault because the actor is given a wide playground to play in.
00:49:24
Speaker
And it's always, always, always the actor's responsibility to show up and deliver.
00:49:30
Speaker
Like, I think about a movie like Inception.
00:49:33
Speaker
and I know just because we were talking about Nolan a minute ago, I have a lot to say about like performances in a movie like Inception where I think the script line for line- In all Nolan movies, Andy.
00:49:45
Speaker
Yeah, I know.
00:49:46
Speaker
I was gonna contain it, Austin.
00:49:48
Speaker
No, you can blow it up.
00:49:50
Speaker
We can talk about it.
00:49:51
Speaker
We don't have to have- He's not a great writer.
00:49:53
Speaker
Joe's kinda with you.
00:49:54
Speaker
We don't have to have this now.
00:49:55
Speaker
No,
Actors' Role Realization in Carpenter's Films
00:49:56
Speaker
it's okay.
00:49:56
Speaker
No, so like script line for line, pure dialogue wise, the script for Inception is dog shit.
00:50:04
Speaker
And so there's one actor who gets out of that with his shirt and that's Tom Hardy.
00:50:10
Speaker
I agree.
00:50:12
Speaker
I agree.
00:50:13
Speaker
A little bigger, darling.
00:50:14
Speaker
But what I what I think about that, I think about his performance in that movie all the time because it's it's specifically what my friends and I talk about in terms of like being and it's a terrible word and I don't love it as a term, but being director proof.
00:50:29
Speaker
Like knowing that it's your, ultimately it's your responsibility.
00:50:32
Speaker
Willem Dafoe.
00:50:34
Speaker
Willem Dafoe is absolutely director proof, but Willem Dafoe also loves collaboration.
00:50:38
Speaker
But Willem Dafoe will take whatever the collaboration is and he will go to the nth degree with whatever it is, with whoever it is.
00:50:45
Speaker
And so he will give the most realized, most full, most rich performance of whatever that thing is.
00:50:51
Speaker
And I think there are some actors who are capable of that, who have that skillset, who have that capability,
00:50:58
Speaker
that thing inside of themselves that they will fill out the envelope with themselves and with their performance and some who don't.
00:51:06
Speaker
And so in this movie, I think, I mean, it's not just the mustache.
00:51:15
Speaker
I'm afraid that Atkins in this movie, Tom Atkins in this movie,
00:51:19
Speaker
isn't re like, he seems to be an actor in this movie who doesn't really understand what's going on.
00:51:24
Speaker
And it affects his performance.
00:51:25
Speaker
He's the weakest link acting wise, but it's because I think he wants to really get it.
00:51:30
Speaker
And he wants to, like, he doesn't want to be playing an archetype.
00:51:33
Speaker
He doesn't want to be playing the sort of re reluctant hero, um, which is sort of, sort of how he's cast in this part, but the, the archetypes are even more sort of vague here.
00:51:44
Speaker
That's what I think is that Carpenter is not into character.
00:51:50
Speaker
I would even say in The Thing, all of those characters, I think, have really rich inner lives and a lot going on.
00:51:58
Speaker
But to me, that's not on the page.
00:52:01
Speaker
No, it's the actors.
00:52:02
Speaker
Those actors, it's one of his most acclaimed- So special.
00:52:04
Speaker
That's what makes it so special.
00:52:05
Speaker
I think those actors all stayed on set all the time.
00:52:16
Speaker
And I think they, as an ensemble, got really interested in the life on that base.
00:52:24
Speaker
And that was not something that John Carpenter gave them.
00:52:27
Speaker
I think it was something that they decided and that they realized for themselves.
00:52:32
Speaker
And that's what puts that a cut above.
00:52:35
Speaker
Something, a separate aspect, because just to talk about sort of story and script, and something that I was thinking about, you were talking, right, a minute ago about how breezy the movies are and how
00:52:46
Speaker
They're all like 90, 95 minutes.
00:52:48
Speaker
Two of my favorite of his movies that are later and don't fall under the same sort of rubric as like classic horror, They Live and In the Mouth of Madness.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah, They Live is one of my sneaky underrated.
00:53:01
Speaker
Sneaky, underrated.
00:53:02
Speaker
They're so good and they're so high concept.
00:53:06
Speaker
And like in terms of what he's doing in those movies, They Live is 94 minutes and In the Mouth of Madness is 95.
00:53:14
Speaker
And for them to be that brief and that high concept, In the Mouth of Madness is essentially John Carpenter's take on the fear that horror is going to burn the minds of children or the minds of anybody, that it's going to cause harm.
00:53:30
Speaker
And it's his sort of like, let's take this to the extreme.
00:53:35
Speaker
Let's take this all the way to the logical extreme.
00:53:38
Speaker
And by the way, did you know blue is my favorite color?
00:53:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:44
Speaker
No, I didn't know.
00:53:46
Speaker
Let's reductio ad absurdum this shit.
00:53:48
Speaker
And he does.
00:53:50
Speaker
And he does it beautifully.
00:53:51
Speaker
And it's a scary movie and it's a creepy movie and it's a freaky movie.
00:53:55
Speaker
But it is...
00:53:56
Speaker
It's so good and it's so breezy and it's so fast and it's so sharp.
00:54:01
Speaker
And they live is also like we are being controlled by aliens who are the actual ones who are like controlling all the propaganda that is making us love all of these corporations.
00:54:12
Speaker
And it's like that is a high concept.
00:54:16
Speaker
It's a it's a wild bat shit premise.
00:54:18
Speaker
And the movie works and it like fucking moves.
00:54:21
Speaker
And like the acting is not great, but the movie goes and.
Adapting to Carpenter's Style
00:54:26
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yeah and it and it just saw they live i was like oh this is definitely like the first movie he made right yeah well i think about your andy i love what you said about actors showing up to to set knowing their place and knowing what they need to do and that's on them because i think for me the two kind of polar opposite examples in carpenter movies are um um
00:54:50
Speaker
Memoirs of an Invisible Man, which is absolutely terrible.
00:54:53
Speaker
And I think it's mostly terrible because of Chevy Chase.
00:54:57
Speaker
I think there's – it's a pretty bad script, whatever.
00:55:01
Speaker
Like it's not a very well-made movie across the board and Carpenter hates it to this day.
00:55:06
Speaker
But I think it is like Chevy Chase showing up wanting to do his thing and not willing to divorce himself from that and being just a total asshole as we all know he is.
00:55:18
Speaker
And that does not create a great environment for a movie to be made.
00:55:21
Speaker
However, I would say the opposite end is Roddy Piper in They Live.
00:55:27
Speaker
Like, he's not an actor.
00:55:30
Speaker
And if you watch... He's a performer.
00:55:33
Speaker
He's a performer.
00:55:34
Speaker
But if you watch the movie, you're like...
00:55:36
Speaker
This guy showed up with no pretense.
00:55:39
Speaker
He had a director who understood what he was gonna bring in presence and did not give him too much in terms of exposition or dialogue to work with.
00:55:49
Speaker
He just embodies the layman perfectly.
00:55:52
Speaker
He gets it.
00:55:53
Speaker
Like he totally understands it.
00:55:56
Speaker
and he's willing to go along like he's willing to learn on set clearly if you watch that movie and that to me is what's so special about that movie is like i agree with you like the performances aren't amazing but like the movie works because everybody knows what movie they're making whereas like if you look at something like memoirs of an invisible man everybody's on different pages yeah and it's like there are decent performances in that movie i think daryl hannah's pretty good but like it
00:56:24
Speaker
it just falls apart because the man at the center wants to make his own movie.
00:56:28
Speaker
And that's not possible.
00:56:30
Speaker
Like that just doesn't work.
00:56:31
Speaker
Well, I think, first of all, I'm very glad I asked because that's an awesome answer, Andy.
00:56:35
Speaker
I'm glad.
00:56:35
Speaker
Second of all, you're same thing that Austin kind of latched onto is, uh, that, that idea of just like, yeah, people showing up with their job being well-known, um,
00:56:46
Speaker
And I thought about Dinklage was on hot ones this week.
00:56:49
Speaker
And one of the things he was talking about, because he got asked like, what like different directors do you prefer working with or different styles?
00:56:56
Speaker
And he just like, honestly, just a director that knows what they want and hires what they want.
00:57:01
Speaker
And they don't need to teach people on set.
00:57:03
Speaker
They're just waiting to call action and let that person do what they were hired to do because they understand the job.
00:57:10
Speaker
Must be nice when you get it.
00:57:14
Speaker
The higher we want.
00:57:16
Speaker
Okay, Joe, you'll get there, buddy.
00:57:18
Speaker
You'll get there.
00:57:19
Speaker
Sorry, I have to teach people things.
00:57:20
Speaker
I'm doing everything and have to teach myself how to do it while we're doing it.
00:57:24
Speaker
Sorry, Peter Dinklage, I'm not good enough for you.
00:57:27
Speaker
Shut up.
00:57:28
Speaker
You'll work with P. Dink someday.
00:57:32
Speaker
I was in a class once with a casting director who was talking about being in... He was casting a TV series and they were casting guest stars one day and so they had all the network people in.
00:57:47
Speaker
And so the network people are sitting around the table.
00:57:49
Speaker
They're all watching these tapes.
00:57:51
Speaker
And one of the network guys, when one of the tapes goes up, the network guy writes on like a little index card, STW.
00:58:01
Speaker
And that ends up being the guy that they hire.
00:58:02
Speaker
And so this casting director is telling us this story.
00:58:04
Speaker
And he says, he walks up to the executive after the meeting.
00:58:08
Speaker
He said, what does STW mean?
00:58:10
Speaker
And the guy said, straight to wardrobe.
00:58:12
Speaker
And the...
00:58:14
Speaker
the casting director was telling us this story is like, they don't like, especially for TV, but also for films, like especially for like big giant films, they don't want somebody they're gonna have to hold hands with.
00:58:25
Speaker
Like, they don't want somebody that they're gonna need to like, teach what needs to be done for the like, there might be one person on set, like Joaquin Phoenix goes and has a three hour walk with Todd Phillips, like whatever, that's fine.
00:58:40
Speaker
that's the one person who's allowed to like have a long chat and get their hand held for a minute.
00:58:46
Speaker
Everybody else, we're not holding your fucking hand.
00:58:48
Speaker
And like, you have to show up and you have to fill this with all the life that it needs.
00:58:54
Speaker
And I think ultimately,
00:58:56
Speaker
To me, John Carpenter is somebody who has a very wide vision, and he doesn't have either a tremendous amount of interest in acting or a tremendous vocabulary, it would seem, to guide things when they're not going well.
00:59:13
Speaker
And that just requires that you have an ensemble like in The Thing where everybody comes to play and everybody comes with such fully, richly realized life.
00:59:27
Speaker
There's an old story.
00:59:28
Speaker
One of my teachers for a long time was this guy, Larry Moss.
00:59:32
Speaker
And Larry is a brilliant teacher.
00:59:35
Speaker
and brilliant director and I adore him.
00:59:39
Speaker
Larry has been Leo DiCaprio's like onset acting coach ever since The Aviator.
00:59:45
Speaker
And he coached Helen Hunt for a long time.
00:59:47
Speaker
He coached Tobey Maguire for a long time, Hank Azaria, all these people.
00:59:51
Speaker
He wrote this beautiful book called The Intent to Live, which I swear by.
00:59:56
Speaker
And I- It is a great book.
00:59:57
Speaker
I studied with him several times in New York and I love him.
01:00:00
Speaker
He's a great teacher.
01:00:02
Speaker
He has this story about working with Michael Clarke Duncan on the Green Mile.
01:00:07
Speaker
And Michael Clarke Duncan came in for the audition for Frank Darabont and had played like a lot of heavies.
01:00:13
Speaker
He'd played like a lot of like he'd done a lot of work.
01:00:17
Speaker
But he hadn't ever done anything that needed to have this kind of like size.
01:00:22
Speaker
And Frank Darabont and Larry go way back.
01:00:25
Speaker
And so Frank calls Larry and he says, can you work with this guy and like get him ready to do this?
01:00:31
Speaker
Because we're just not...
01:00:32
Speaker
when we get on set, we're not going to have time.
01:00:34
Speaker
Like, you know, I would do it.
01:00:36
Speaker
I would be there with him, but like, there's not going to be space for the kind of emotional work, the kind of background work, the kind of depth
01:00:47
Speaker
that is necessary for John Coffey in this movie, I know that it's going to require a lot more than I can offer.
01:00:55
Speaker
And to me, that is what makes Frank Darabont a great director.
01:00:58
Speaker
He calls the people he needs to get the job done that he wants done.
01:01:02
Speaker
And Michael Clarke Duncan gets a fucking Academy Award for that movie.
01:01:06
Speaker
And because he like gets the people he needs to do the work that's necessary to get the product he's looking for.
01:01:13
Speaker
I don't think that John Carpenter as a director really even knew what the thing was that he was looking for from actors.
01:01:21
Speaker
And that's fine because the movies are fucking entertaining as hell.
01:01:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:25
Speaker
But like,
01:01:26
Speaker
in terms of ensemble, they're on their own.
01:01:30
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:32
Speaker
I think it sounds so obvious that you're like, oh yeah, of course you're going to hire and delegate to people who know what they're doing.
01:01:37
Speaker
But you hear other stories where you're like, oh, that director recut like 15 times for this one two-second clip and are overly precious about it.
01:01:49
Speaker
But that's really well put.
01:01:51
Speaker
I think a lot of it also comes down to looking at who appears in these John Carpenter films.
01:01:56
Speaker
I mean, while Andy was talking, I was listening, I promise.
01:02:03
Speaker
The person who might be the most precious about their career in his entire filmography is either Sidney Sweeney or Karen Allen.
01:02:12
Speaker
And it's only because Sidney Sweeney hasn't been in that many movies.
01:02:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
But thinking about...
01:02:19
Speaker
maybe Jeff Bridges, but even then Jeff Bridges has been in some shit.
01:02:23
Speaker
He's made a bunch of movies.
01:02:25
Speaker
He'll work for you.
01:02:26
Speaker
He'll show up.
01:02:27
Speaker
But thinking about like, we keep bringing up The Thing, which I think just has the most iconic
01:02:33
Speaker
ensemble.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
01:02:35
Speaker
Think about Kurt Russell, Wilford Brimley, fucking Keith David with like 300 credits.
01:02:40
Speaker
That's one of the dudes right there.
01:02:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's one of our dudes.
01:02:43
Speaker
I mean, that's that's a guy we celebrated and celebrated and talked about.
01:02:48
Speaker
And Andy told a wonderful story about is is these are guys who show up ready to do the fucking work.
01:02:55
Speaker
And I think that really allows
01:02:59
Speaker
For all of the stuff that we continue to celebrate John Carpenter for is like fun, weird, well, well plotted scripts.
01:03:07
Speaker
They may not, they may not necessarily be like the most brilliantly dialogue scripts, but it's not his interest set.
01:03:14
Speaker
Like he precisely.
01:03:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:16
Speaker
Like he knows what movie he's making.
01:03:17
Speaker
And I think like there are moments in Carpenter movies where he can have kind of florid dialogue.
01:03:24
Speaker
That's really beautiful.
01:03:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:26
Speaker
But he understands that like, that's not what this movie is.
01:03:31
Speaker
This movie is like letting Dean Cundy shoot the shit out of this.
01:03:34
Speaker
And I also think to go back to Andy's point, it's like, I think that's a big reason why he continues to work with Kurt Russell over the years over and over again.
01:03:43
Speaker
It's because like, he's like, okay, I'm going to call Kurt.
01:03:47
Speaker
He's going to be in this.
01:03:48
Speaker
He's still a bankable movie star.
01:03:51
Speaker
He will still draw people to the theater.
01:03:54
Speaker
And I don't have to have any discussion with him.
01:03:56
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:57
Speaker
He's like, he'll know what he's doing when he shows up.
01:03:59
Speaker
Like, I don't need to hold his hand ever.
01:04:02
Speaker
I don't need to call anybody for him.
01:04:04
Speaker
And I think to a director like John Carpenter, who is not as interested in the emotional depth necessarily of his characters all the time.
01:04:16
Speaker
It's like, that's the value.
01:04:19
Speaker
The value is the person who can show up.
01:04:20
Speaker
He is interested in a movie with all dudes still finding a way to fit his muse and lover into the film.
01:04:27
Speaker
Of course.
01:04:28
Speaker
Why would he not be?
01:04:29
Speaker
Wouldn't we all want that?
01:04:34
Speaker
There's a piece of directing advice that people give in film school, which is directing is 90% casting.
01:04:41
Speaker
But that only works for a specific type of filmmaker.
01:04:45
Speaker
And it is not the type of filmmaker that John Carpenter is.
01:04:49
Speaker
Directing is 90% casting when you're doing something like Manchester by the Sea.
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah, that is a that is a movie that is made or broken by its choice of casting.
01:05:02
Speaker
But John Carpenter is a director with a vision and a director with a sense of how the movie is going to look and feel.
01:05:11
Speaker
Which and that is what draws you to the movie, not the performances, not even really the script.
Emphasizing Visual Narrative
01:05:17
Speaker
It's how he can propel you through the narrative, because the script of Halloween is nothing.
01:05:23
Speaker
It's Jamie Lee Curtis is being chased by evil.
01:05:28
Speaker
Go.
01:05:28
Speaker
And they go.
01:05:30
Speaker
In one house.
01:05:31
Speaker
In one house.
01:05:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:32
Speaker
And instead of wasting time trying to get the best performance of all time or trying to perfect the script, John Carpenter has already been thinking about how he wants to shoot it.
01:05:43
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:05:44
Speaker
and how he sees it in his head.
01:05:46
Speaker
It's the same thing.
01:05:46
Speaker
It's the same shit with Sam Raimi to me.
01:05:49
Speaker
Like, Sam Raimi is a director that... Like, he's gotten some cool performances.
01:05:53
Speaker
Like, obviously, Willem Dafoe, fucking Leo, young Leo in Quick and the Dead is great.
01:05:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:00
Speaker
That whole cast is unreal.
01:06:02
Speaker
But he's just a director that...
01:06:05
Speaker
when you watch the movie, it almost doesn't matter who the actors are.
01:06:08
Speaker
He could have put his nephew in the movie as the lead, and it probably still would have been great.
01:06:12
Speaker
And he does put his brothers in movies, Sam Raimi, you know?
01:06:16
Speaker
But thinking about Raimi and Bruce is... It's almost the same thing as Carpenter and Russell.
01:06:22
Speaker
Exactly.
01:06:23
Speaker
Joe, I was like, that is such an excellent point of they... These are guys who just trust each other.
01:06:31
Speaker
Now... Pacero, what the hell?
01:06:34
Speaker
uh uh uh De Niro and Scorsese yeah Pachiro is actually them combined Pachiro is them combined it's their love child yeah Dragon Ball Fusion yeah Kurosawa Mifune yeah for sure exactly yeah totally I'm still caught up on the idea of Pachiro being a Dragon Ball character and it's like a guy with big big like golden hair he's like screaming he's doing this face
01:07:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's just Pacino's hair.
01:07:02
Speaker
It's just Pacino's hair and heat.
01:07:04
Speaker
It's Pacino's hair and heat doing the De Niro face.
01:07:08
Speaker
And he's talking about Shinran and how they're going to beat Perfect Cell.
01:07:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:14
Speaker
I know what that means.
01:07:15
Speaker
Piccolo's got a great ass!
01:07:20
Speaker
We gotta use the Dragon Balls when I get to Namek.
01:07:25
Speaker
She'll be rising.
01:07:29
Speaker
Hold on.
01:07:30
Speaker
I'll be right back.
01:07:31
Speaker
You guys keep talking.
01:07:31
Speaker
I got to go kill a cockroach.
01:07:33
Speaker
Oh, good luck to you, my friend.
01:07:35
Speaker
Shout out to wife guys.
01:07:37
Speaker
Shout out to wife guys.
01:07:38
Speaker
I found the clip on YouTube the other day.
01:07:42
Speaker
I found the clip on YouTube the other day of Bill Hader and SNL doing Pacino and he's just talking to customer service and it's fucking phenomenal.
01:07:50
Speaker
He's like, operator.
01:07:54
Speaker
Yes.
01:07:56
Speaker
Yes.
01:07:57
Speaker
And he just does that for like five minutes.
01:07:59
Speaker
It's fucking phenomenal.
01:08:02
Speaker
His Pacino is unreal.
01:08:04
Speaker
He's such a good impressionist.
01:08:06
Speaker
I saw his Paul McCartney for the first time on Twitter this week.
01:08:09
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
01:08:10
Speaker
Incredible.
01:08:11
Speaker
And then there's that, he talks about like somebody left a YouTube comment.
01:08:16
Speaker
He's the guy who scrolls YouTube comments, which God bless him.
01:08:18
Speaker
But there's, he like, somebody left a YouTube comment on one of his impressions that said, Bill Hader can do so many voices.
01:08:24
Speaker
Why does he choose to use that one?
01:08:26
Speaker
Which is so sad.
01:08:28
Speaker
It's a good comment.
01:08:30
Speaker
I think the beauty of Hader is that like Hader as an impressionist is really more of like,
01:08:37
Speaker
just riffing on who this person is yeah like james austin johnson does like an excellent trump where you're like he's got a cadence going he embodies whereas haters like i don't know what's like pacino's essence yeah he gets like if i if i had to make an essential oil of pacino and rub it on my temples what would what would that smell like god man i think you would fall apart if you walked in that room
01:09:01
Speaker
I think your body would disintegrate if you walked into a room that had a Pacino essential oil.
01:09:05
Speaker
There's a difference between an impressionist who can do quotes and an impressionist who can do a character in a situation that we don't know them from.
01:09:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:14
Speaker
Like if someone was like, hey, how would Owen Wilson react to landing on the beach in Normandy?
01:09:21
Speaker
Bill Hader could be like, yeah, I got you.
01:09:24
Speaker
Oh, me?
01:09:25
Speaker
Yeah, I got you.
01:09:26
Speaker
I'm on it.
01:09:28
Speaker
Wait, Joe, what would that sound like?
01:09:31
Speaker
To do like so-and-so doing XYZ.
01:09:34
Speaker
Hold on.
01:09:35
Speaker
Let me see if I can get there.
01:09:36
Speaker
What about Seinfeld?
01:09:39
Speaker
Let me get into Owen real quick.
01:09:41
Speaker
Wow, this PBR is so good.
01:09:45
Speaker
Wow.
01:09:46
Speaker
Oh my God, boys.
01:09:47
Speaker
We're almost there.
01:09:50
Speaker
When this boat wall drops, there's going to be Germans on the other side trying to make Swiss cheese out of our bodies
01:10:00
Speaker
Okay boys, lock and load.
01:10:04
Speaker
Perfect.
01:10:05
Speaker
Absolutely perfect.
01:10:07
Speaker
My only wish is you had dropped a mater in there.
01:10:11
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:11
Speaker
Mater.
01:10:12
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:13
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:14
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:14
Speaker
Mater.
01:10:15
Speaker
I got to go 90 miles per hour.
01:10:17
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:18
Speaker
I got to turn left a bunch of times.
01:10:20
Speaker
Wow.
01:10:20
Speaker
Austin, you got a Larry the Cable guy in there?
01:10:22
Speaker
No.
01:10:23
Speaker
No, I don't.
01:10:24
Speaker
He's a singular voice.
01:10:26
Speaker
He's a singular voice.
01:10:27
Speaker
Nobody does a good Larry the Cable guy.
01:10:28
Speaker
And they shouldn't at this point.
01:10:30
Speaker
They really shouldn't.
01:10:32
Speaker
Um...
01:10:33
Speaker
I want to talk quickly about In the Mouth of Madness.
01:10:36
Speaker
In the Mouth of Madness.
01:10:38
Speaker
In the Mouth of Madness.
01:10:41
Speaker
Kamala exists in the Mouth of Madness.
01:10:44
Speaker
She's writing these books.
01:10:46
Speaker
Kamala's writing the books.
01:10:48
Speaker
The Haitians are writing the books.
01:10:50
Speaker
The dogs are eating the books.
01:10:52
Speaker
It's quite good.
01:10:53
Speaker
It's quite good.
01:10:55
Speaker
I just rewatched it today.
01:10:57
Speaker
I have a distinct memory.
01:11:00
Speaker
So a few years ago, the Blank Check podcast was covering John Carpenter.
01:11:04
Speaker
So I was watching all of his movies along with them.
01:11:06
Speaker
An incredible series of podcasts.
01:11:09
Speaker
But I watched In the Mouth of Madness for the first time.
01:11:11
Speaker
And I have a distinct memory of texting Andy and being like, this might be up there for me in his movies.
01:11:18
Speaker
And Andy watched it that night and texted me like, yeah, this is up there for me too.
01:11:22
Speaker
We had a very similar experience of loving that movie.
01:11:25
Speaker
And I rewatched it again today.
01:11:27
Speaker
And A, I had the thought when we were just talking that it's a year after Jurassic Park.
01:11:33
Speaker
So do we think Dean Cundey was like, just work with the Sam Neill guy, pretty sick,
01:11:38
Speaker
Great to work with.
01:11:40
Speaker
Love that.
01:11:41
Speaker
Love that for friends just communicating, even though they weren't collaborating all that much.
01:11:45
Speaker
Possessions before both of those, right?
01:11:47
Speaker
Possessions?
01:11:48
Speaker
Yeah, Possessions in the 80s.
01:11:49
Speaker
Almost 15 years before.
01:11:50
Speaker
Possessions in the 80s.
01:11:51
Speaker
Yeah, early 80s.
01:11:54
Speaker
When did Hunt for the Wilder People come out?
01:11:55
Speaker
Where was that?
01:11:56
Speaker
Where was that on the timeline?
01:11:58
Speaker
Uh...
01:12:01
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think John Carpenter and Tyke are having a lot of phone conversations.
01:12:05
Speaker
They might be playing.
01:12:07
Speaker
I think if Tyke YTD called John Carpenter, John Carpenter would hang up.
01:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think so.
01:12:12
Speaker
At this point.
01:12:13
Speaker
I think if John Carpenter hasn't responded to one of my DMs.
01:12:18
Speaker
Yeah, John Carpenter, what's wrong with you?
01:12:20
Speaker
Come on PGW at the Horror Master.
01:12:22
Speaker
We'll have so much fun, I promise you.
01:12:24
Speaker
We can talk about Fallout.
01:12:25
Speaker
We don't even have to talk about movies.
01:12:27
Speaker
No, we can just talk about video games, whatever you want.
01:12:29
Speaker
We'll talk about college basketball.
01:12:31
Speaker
Yeah, he loves college basketball.
01:12:32
Speaker
We love both of those.
01:12:33
Speaker
A few of us love both of those.
01:12:35
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say, Joe, do not rub yourself into that.
01:12:39
Speaker
But I rewatched this today.
01:12:41
Speaker
I do think it's absolutely phenomenal.
01:12:43
Speaker
I think it's incredibly visually inventive.
01:12:46
Speaker
I think the storytelling is fascinating.
01:12:47
Speaker
It's incredible to me that it was written solely by Mike DeLuca, who's now the head of Warner Brothers.
01:12:54
Speaker
When he was a young pup, he was in his early 30s when he wrote the script.
01:13:00
Speaker
And he started out as a writer.
01:13:02
Speaker
He wrote...
01:13:03
Speaker
The Final Nightmare, I think.
01:13:05
Speaker
He wrote Freddy Six.
01:13:06
Speaker
He wrote... That's the worst one.
01:13:08
Speaker
I'm not giving... Credit where credit is due.
01:13:11
Speaker
I haven't seen it.
01:13:12
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Apparently, it's not great.
01:13:13
Speaker
Wish he wrote New Nightmare.
01:13:14
Speaker
That would be cool.
01:13:16
Speaker
I want to give a quick plug for Final Nightmare because it's so different than the five that preceded it.
01:13:24
Speaker
So bad.
01:13:25
Speaker
The five that preceded it are good.
01:13:27
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:28
Speaker
The five that preceded it, I think, is like a perfect five movie.
01:13:31
Speaker
It's an incredible run.
01:13:33
Speaker
It's so fun.
01:13:34
Speaker
But the final nightmare is like the most welcome to the 90s bullshit.
01:13:40
Speaker
Oh, that's kind of nice.
01:13:41
Speaker
It's also very fun, but not for the same reasons as the five before it.
01:13:45
Speaker
That's very fair.
01:13:46
Speaker
There's some like early... I don't know if it's CG.
01:13:50
Speaker
It has to be.
01:13:51
Speaker
Early CGI stuff in it that's just like...
Nostalgia and Horror Movies
01:13:55
Speaker
I don't remember the name of this show, but you know those old Nickelodeon animations that would play as caps between commercials?
01:14:05
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
01:14:07
Speaker
There's some stuff in that that reminds me of those Nickelodeon animations.
01:14:10
Speaker
Kablam.
01:14:11
Speaker
That's interesting.
01:14:12
Speaker
I mean, I haven't seen it, but I just have to say, In the Mouth of Madness is kind of the one...
01:14:20
Speaker
Where any given day could be in my top three, along with Starman, and then Halloween and The Thing.
01:14:26
Speaker
Those are kind of my movies.
01:14:28
Speaker
Halloween and The Thing are always there, and then it's like Starman and In the Mouth of Madness fighting for third position.
01:14:36
Speaker
I just think it's, it's very special.
01:14:38
Speaker
The thing I love about it is that Sutter Cain, who's the author in the movie played by Jurgen Prock.
01:14:44
Speaker
Now is he's very Stephen King coded, obviously like he's just like, you know, major horror writer, but then they reference, he loves cocaine.
01:14:54
Speaker
He drinks 15 Miller lights every night or Narragansett, whatever the fuck he was drinking.
01:15:01
Speaker
Um,
01:15:01
Speaker
But I, yeah, but they referenced, I had forgotten until I watched today, they referenced Stephen King in the movie.
01:15:10
Speaker
They were like, Stephen King could never, like he could never even compete with Sutter Cain, which I think is really funny because of the self-referential nature of the movie.
01:15:19
Speaker
Like that movie comes at a period after a new nightmare before scream, like Wes Craven is starting to make these very self-referential movies, horrors in a place where it's becoming referential to itself.
01:15:33
Speaker
And the fact that Carpenter was able to get on the wavelength of that at that time in 94 is so fascinating to me.
01:15:41
Speaker
And he gets incredible performances out of Sam Neill,
01:15:46
Speaker
And he gets like Charlton Heston to show up and do a couple days.
01:15:50
Speaker
Like it's so special to me.
01:15:54
Speaker
It's so – like Andy was saying, it's so concise while being so complicated.
01:16:00
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And you never –
01:16:01
Speaker
you never really miss a beat in terms of the storytelling.
01:16:04
Speaker
And he does some brilliant stuff.
01:16:05
Speaker
Like when they're, when they first enter the town that Cedricane has created and is living in, like there's just a very brief shot of the woman who's driving the car, like looks out the window and she's driving over clouds.
01:16:18
Speaker
And then she's in a tunnel going to the town.
01:16:20
Speaker
And it's like, okay, we're in a fake place.
01:16:22
Speaker
It's like, it's so straightforward and so simple.
01:16:25
Speaker
You have no questions about it.
01:16:27
Speaker
I love how he just literally puts you in the mouth of madness.
01:16:30
Speaker
And, uh,
01:16:31
Speaker
Yeah, there's a really cool.
01:16:33
Speaker
So my version of in the mouth of madness, that's not always fighting for third for me with Carpenter is Prince of Darkness.
01:16:39
Speaker
Amen.
01:16:40
Speaker
I think Prince of Darkness is a masterpiece.
01:16:42
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:16:43
Speaker
But I read a review of that movie once.
01:16:46
Speaker
I can't remember if it was a real review or a letterboxd review, but it made they made a poignant point no matter what.
01:16:50
Speaker
You're saying letterboxd reviews aren't real reviews?
01:16:53
Speaker
Not when my review.
01:16:54
Speaker
Is that what you're saying on this podcast, Joe?
01:16:55
Speaker
Hold on.
01:16:57
Speaker
my review for, um, audition is icky with a four exclamation marks.
01:17:04
Speaker
So you're saying the guy who said of Megalopolis more like mega cockalice.
01:17:07
Speaker
No, that's not a real journalism.
01:17:09
Speaker
That's poetry.
01:17:10
Speaker
That's just poetry.
01:17:12
Speaker
Mega cockalice.
01:17:13
Speaker
More like Megacalculus.
01:17:14
Speaker
Megalopolis, more like Megacalculus.
01:17:17
Speaker
Megacalculus Andy.
01:17:20
Speaker
My letterboxd review of The Substance was, ew, needles.
01:17:24
Speaker
Again, journalism.
01:17:26
Speaker
Which could also fit for Audition, by the way, if you haven't seen it.
01:17:31
Speaker
But Prince of Darkness, the review stated...
01:17:34
Speaker
And this isn't true for all Carpenter movies.
01:17:36
Speaker
It's very much true for In the Mouth of Madness or his Apocalypse trilogy, as people call it, The Thing, In the Mouth of Madness and Prince of Darkness.
01:17:45
Speaker
But he seems to be projecting images from a different dimension, is what the review said.
01:17:52
Speaker
Specifically in Prince of Darkness, the little cutaways they get to the brainwave...
01:17:59
Speaker
transmission that you're getting.
01:18:01
Speaker
Yeah, fucking sick.
01:18:02
Speaker
Like, they just look evil and they look bad and like the guy dissolving into bugs in the parking lot.
01:18:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:13
Speaker
It's sort of the good and interesting version of the cutaways in Event Horizon.
01:18:17
Speaker
I like that movie.
01:18:20
Speaker
This is not a safe space for Event Horizon.
Unsettling Film Depictions
01:18:25
Speaker
I will say the most modern movie that I feel like gets that same vibe of projecting images from a different dimension was Mandy, the Panos Cosmonos film.
01:18:36
Speaker
That movie feels Carpenter inspired without being a Carpenter ripoff.
01:18:43
Speaker
Go for it.
01:18:44
Speaker
I finished that thought.
01:18:45
Speaker
I just was going to say, like, I haven't seen Beyond the Black Rainbow or whatever Cosmodo's other movie is, but Mandy just is like, it's the movie I feel closely closest today to capturing what made John Carpenter movies special.
01:19:02
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Yeah, I love it.
01:19:03
Speaker
It's a little too weird to be a Carpenter movie, a little bit too unconventional, but yeah.
01:19:09
Speaker
What I was going to say is, this is totally different, but you mentioned the scene with the bugs in the parking lot.
01:19:14
Speaker
I don't have a problem with bugs in my day-to-day life.
01:19:18
Speaker
If I see one, scoop it up, throw it away, get rid of it.
01:19:21
Speaker
It is one of the most...
01:19:24
Speaker
uncomfortable.
01:19:25
Speaker
I hate it seeing it in movies.
01:19:27
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:19:28
Speaker
I think it's the scariest.
01:19:31
Speaker
And I couldn't care less in real life.
01:19:32
Speaker
So I don't understand what the difference is.
01:19:34
Speaker
It's very upsetting.
01:19:36
Speaker
Sound design.
01:19:36
Speaker
There's not bug sound design in real life.
01:19:39
Speaker
People don't add the creepy crawly.
01:19:41
Speaker
The scurrying.
01:19:42
Speaker
The fucking maggots in Suspiria.
01:19:44
Speaker
Oh, for real.
01:19:44
Speaker
For real, for real.
01:19:46
Speaker
I mean, for me, like in Halloween three, when the the kid like he has the mask on and then like the bugs and the snakes start coming out of the mask.
01:19:56
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:56
Speaker
I'm like, fuck no, man.
01:19:58
Speaker
Like, absolutely not.
Shift to TV Shows and Personal Anecdotes
01:20:00
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All the way.
01:20:01
Speaker
Even though I was I was the one in our house growing up who is who is tasked with killing all the cockroaches because we lived in Houston and that humidity is a bitch.
01:20:10
Speaker
big some big some big some bitches and then y'all had a fucking palm tree in your front yard too man oh yeah i did i did andy i did recently tell the palm tree story you told the palm tree story yeah oh great you got them big old bugs down the bayou i grew up with two palm trees in my yard in south georgia fucking palmetta bugs and the
01:20:31
Speaker
Yeah, that's right.
01:20:32
Speaker
They'll get you.
01:20:33
Speaker
They'll crawl up your pant legs right there.
01:20:35
Speaker
Only thing they had like that down there in East Texas was skaters, and them things was nasty.
01:20:41
Speaker
When I lived in East Texas, I saw some fucking gross-ass bugs.
01:20:44
Speaker
Some fucking centipedes.
01:20:45
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
01:20:46
Speaker
They do got June bugs down there.
01:20:48
Speaker
This is how my grandma talked, by the way.
01:20:52
Speaker
Now y'all close the door when you come in because them June bugs is going to fly in.
01:20:57
Speaker
We got cricks.
01:20:57
Speaker
We got June bugs.
01:20:58
Speaker
Them piney woods is a perfect place for a bug to blend in.
01:21:02
Speaker
Them piney woods.
01:21:03
Speaker
It's true.
01:21:04
Speaker
Southwest Arkansas.
01:21:06
Speaker
This is a not, again, I'm so sorry for all the non sequiturs.
01:21:09
Speaker
But we were.
01:21:10
Speaker
No, you're not.
01:21:11
Speaker
I'm not.
01:21:11
Speaker
You love non sequiturs.
01:21:14
Speaker
I do love it.
01:21:14
Speaker
Austin John non sequitur angles.
01:21:17
Speaker
I just love it.
01:21:18
Speaker
I love telling you guys stories about my life.
01:21:20
Speaker
Is that so fucking wrong?
01:21:22
Speaker
Andy's heard all of them.
01:21:23
Speaker
Move on.
01:21:23
Speaker
No, he hasn't heard this one yet.
01:21:24
Speaker
He hasn't heard this one yet.
01:21:25
Speaker
This is recent.
01:21:26
Speaker
This is recent.
01:21:27
Speaker
So we're.
01:21:28
Speaker
This one's recent.
01:21:29
Speaker
We were.
01:21:29
Speaker
We were.
01:21:30
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uh looking at a uh clarissa is trying to get a you know location for all her baking stuff and we were out with dylan and jd the other day looking at a location for a kitchen and we go outside and dylan and jd both just look up at this tree and practically at the same time just both go like man it's a good looking cottonwood tree and i was like you guys like that's absolutely ridiculous you both just like good looking kind of homeowner that's gonna happen i know i need to start caring about my trees
01:21:58
Speaker
My trees are struggling.
01:21:59
Speaker
I need to start caring about them more.
01:22:01
Speaker
It's very valuable.
01:22:02
Speaker
Reminds me of this bit that's in Gilmore Girls when Rory is graduating.
01:22:06
Speaker
Rory is graduating and they look over to the two guys, Luke and... God, I forget.
01:22:13
Speaker
Suki's husband, Dwayne.
01:22:18
Speaker
I don't believe this charade of you not remembering.
01:22:21
Speaker
You brought this shit up.
01:22:24
Speaker
To be fair, Andy and I grew up in a Gilmore Girls household.
01:22:27
Speaker
Two sisters who love Gilmore Girls.
01:22:28
Speaker
I also love Gilmore Girls.
01:22:29
Speaker
It's great.
01:22:31
Speaker
It cuts to Luke and the other guy talking, and they're like, I wonder what they're talking about.
01:22:35
Speaker
And they're both like, God, the electrical on this place must be insane.
01:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's what being an adult is, and it's absolute bullshit.
01:22:45
Speaker
That's what we have to talk about in this life.
01:22:48
Speaker
Please do not get twisted.
01:22:49
Speaker
I fucking love Gilmore Girls.
01:22:51
Speaker
It's the best.
01:22:52
Speaker
I just wanted to comment on that.
01:22:56
Speaker
That is the full circle nature of Paddington Goes Wild, that we start with Human Centipede and come all the way to Gilmore Girls.
01:23:05
Speaker
Gilmore Girls and Human Centipede.
01:23:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:23:08
Speaker
I will follow you.
01:23:11
Speaker
Is this a Gilmore Girls thing?
01:23:13
Speaker
This song?
01:23:14
Speaker
It's the theme song.
01:23:15
Speaker
I've seen like one episode with like a girlfriend.
01:23:18
Speaker
Red, I think you would legit really like Gilmore Girls.
01:23:20
Speaker
I'm telling you, my description of it's the West Wing for girls.
01:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, Amy Sherman-Palladino is the female Erin Sorkin.
01:23:28
Speaker
She really is.
01:23:29
Speaker
God bless her.
01:23:29
Speaker
She's great.
01:23:30
Speaker
If any beautiful women want to show me the war girls.
01:23:33
Speaker
You don't need a woman.
01:23:35
Speaker
a brother.
01:23:36
Speaker
Unfortunately, I do need a woman in my life.
01:23:38
Speaker
Well, yes, you need a woman in your life, but you don't need a woman to watch Gilmore Girls.
01:23:42
Speaker
But it's better.
01:23:44
Speaker
It's more fun.
01:23:45
Speaker
Let me tell you also that Mr. Gunn, not James, but his brother, is hilarious in this show.
01:23:52
Speaker
He's so good in Gilmore Girls.
01:23:54
Speaker
I just, I have to, isn't it Sean Gunn?
01:23:56
Speaker
Sean Gunn.
01:23:58
Speaker
Nathan's the opera singer.
01:23:59
Speaker
Sorry.
01:24:01
Speaker
He's not, we're not related.
01:24:02
Speaker
Not related.
01:24:03
Speaker
Gilmore girls with a beautiful lady is it's not a matter of being like, Oh, I can't watch shows that are for girls.
01:24:09
Speaker
I recently had to recount a story to someone about going to see Greta Gerwig's masterpiece, little women on Christmas Eve.
01:24:18
Speaker
Yep.
01:24:18
Speaker
Andy and I did the same.
01:24:21
Speaker
By myself.
01:24:22
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I asked my mom if she wanted to go.
01:24:23
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My mom loves Louisa May Alcott.
01:24:25
Speaker
My mom was like, nah, I'm going to stay home.
01:24:27
Speaker
So I am between three sets of mother daughters on beautiful in my theater.
01:24:34
Speaker
On my left, there's mom and daughter, mom and daughter.
01:24:38
Speaker
And then here is three daughters and mom.
01:24:41
Speaker
All of us weeping.
01:24:44
Speaker
I will enjoy plenty of things that are made for women.
01:24:46
Speaker
It would have been hilarious if right after the movie ended and it's just you and all the mothers and daughters, if you just looked around and went, gay.
01:24:53
Speaker
What was that?
01:24:55
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
01:24:56
Speaker
Truly, truly one of the great...
01:24:58
Speaker
Truly one of the great nights of my life, the year that came out 2019.
01:25:02
Speaker
Andy and I and our whole family basically went to see Little Women in the theater on Christmas Eve.
01:25:06
Speaker
It was fantastic.
Conan O'Brien and Physical Media
01:25:08
Speaker
We both wept.
01:25:09
Speaker
And then Andy and I, in my memory, this might be wrong, but Andy and I stayed at the theater while the rest of our family went home and watched Uncut Gems.
01:25:16
Speaker
Oh my God.
01:25:17
Speaker
We stuck around.
01:25:18
Speaker
Holy shit.
01:25:20
Speaker
one of the great nights of my life.
01:25:21
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It was a great movie.
01:25:22
Speaker
And then I proceeded to see, I think both of those movies and once upon a time in Hollywood, which also came out that year, four times in theaters stack year going back.
01:25:30
Speaker
I know 2019, maybe the best year of the century so far.
01:25:33
Speaker
It's well, Oh seven.
01:25:35
Speaker
Oh seven.
01:25:36
Speaker
It's, you know, they're right there.
01:25:38
Speaker
Uh, I'm with you, but,
01:25:41
Speaker
I just with watching a show, when you watch a show with somebody, you feel more about the person to watch the show.
01:25:49
Speaker
I understand.
01:25:49
Speaker
It's a great thing to have a partner to watch TV with.
01:25:53
Speaker
Oh, my God.
01:25:56
Speaker
Anyways, John Carpenter makes dark, isolated TVs are for couples.
01:26:02
Speaker
tv by yourself it's great no dude what am i some kind of pervert yeah jesus christ i have never watched 30 rock with someone before and i have seen that show four times that is a show you watch by yourself and you giggle and then you look around well yeah you take your pants off and you look at liz lemon come on we all know this no i look at matt damon thank you and i mean come on all the guys jason sudeikis yeah in uh
01:26:26
Speaker
The guy that plays Mayhem Yeah I jack off to Jack McBrayer I jack McBrayer off to Jack McBrayer Conan O'Brien on his podcast Telling stories about Jack McBrayer Is the funniest thing in the world He seems like truly the most genuinely sweet person Conan swears that McBrayer Will never drop a bit
01:26:45
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Yeah, which is fantastic.
01:26:46
Speaker
That's phenomenal.
01:26:47
Speaker
He says they've been doing a bit that he's sure will last until one of them dies.
01:26:53
Speaker
That's a good guy right there.
01:26:55
Speaker
Speaking of Conan, his physical media guest from New Zealand.
Speculating on Carpenter's Lifestyle
01:27:02
Speaker
No.
01:27:02
Speaker
On Conan Needs a Friend?
01:27:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:04
Speaker
He did a 30-minute interview with some Kiwi who owns a DVD store.
01:27:11
Speaker
In between episodes of Guest.
01:27:13
Speaker
He does brief.
01:27:14
Speaker
Brief interviews with normies.
01:27:17
Speaker
Apparently, they just don't really have Blu-rays in New Zealand.
01:27:21
Speaker
They don't have a lot of shit in New Zealand.
01:27:23
Speaker
Who many sheep?
01:27:24
Speaker
Poor country.
01:27:26
Speaker
Who many sheep?
01:27:28
Speaker
The stores are just lined with 4Ks of Lord of the Rings and everything else is Persona and Uncratic.
01:27:33
Speaker
And Thor Love and Thunder, but no one buys those.
01:27:35
Speaker
But no one buys it.
01:27:36
Speaker
They collect dust.
01:27:38
Speaker
They collect dust.
01:27:39
Speaker
Bad flick.
01:27:40
Speaker
Bad flick.
01:27:40
Speaker
Terrible movie.
01:27:41
Speaker
To talk about John Carpenter, who is the subject of this episode.
01:27:46
Speaker
The beauty is, is last week's episode, we went on longer than the movie we were talking about.
01:27:51
Speaker
This week, we're definitely going on longer than The Fog.
01:27:53
Speaker
We might go on longer than literally any John Carpenter movie in history, which is pretty close.
01:27:57
Speaker
We already have.
01:27:58
Speaker
Elvis is two hours and 36 minutes, young man.
01:28:02
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I think they released that in two parts.
01:28:04
Speaker
I'm going to pretend like that movie does not exist.
01:28:06
Speaker
Why are we talking about that?
01:28:07
Speaker
I'm pretty sure.
01:28:09
Speaker
I want to go to sleep.
01:28:11
Speaker
What if Baz had been like, just bring Kurt Russell back.
01:28:14
Speaker
Let him do it.
01:28:15
Speaker
I probably would have liked it more.
01:28:18
Speaker
I mean, I loved Austin Butler in that movie.
01:28:20
Speaker
I know.
01:28:22
Speaker
Zach and I also had this discussion at the Blu-ray store.
01:28:24
Speaker
He held up Elvis and said, what did you think about this?
01:28:26
Speaker
Remind me.
01:28:27
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And I was like, yeah, it didn't really work for me.
01:28:29
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And he was like, yeah, Joe's on an island again.
01:28:32
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I liked it.
01:28:32
Speaker
What can I say?
01:28:34
Speaker
It was a cool PowerPoint presentation that had great and terrible performance.
01:28:39
Speaker
That's not an endorsement.
01:28:40
Speaker
It is for me.
01:28:41
Speaker
This guy loves PowerPoint.
01:28:43
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I love his deck.
01:28:45
Speaker
This guy loves a deck.
01:28:46
Speaker
He loves a presentation.
01:28:47
Speaker
If I like a movie, that means it's good.
01:28:49
Speaker
I have a master's degree.
01:28:50
Speaker
This guy spends all his time on Google Slides.
01:28:53
Speaker
He loves Google Slides.
01:28:54
Speaker
Don't forget to add animations.
01:28:56
Speaker
We love the animations.
01:28:57
Speaker
God, we've done way too much Trump on this.
01:28:59
Speaker
God damn it.
01:29:00
Speaker
Andy hasn't said a word in like 11 consecutive minutes.
01:29:03
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No, Andy's checking his email.
01:29:05
Speaker
Guys, I'm fine.
01:29:09
Speaker
I just don't have a good Trump.
01:29:11
Speaker
I don't want to jump in with a bad Trump.
01:29:14
Speaker
It would be unfair.
01:29:15
Speaker
You act like any of ours are good.
01:29:17
Speaker
They're all bad.
01:29:18
Speaker
Austin makes a good point.
01:29:20
Speaker
Andy, do you have a good impression?
01:29:21
Speaker
I don't know if I know this.
01:29:22
Speaker
If you have one that you really feel good about.
01:29:26
Speaker
There's not one that's on the tip of my tongue, but I'm going to prepare really hard for the next time I'm on.
01:29:31
Speaker
Your next appearance?
01:29:33
Speaker
My next appearance.
01:29:35
Speaker
That's great.
01:29:35
Speaker
we don't do it please you know what you know what austin and i were just talking about this the other day and i'll do this one um i'll do this one and and you all can sort of like if it's good you'll know um we're not gonna give up another yard
01:29:53
Speaker
You blitz all night!
01:29:58
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That's what I've got for you today.
01:30:01
Speaker
Have you seen American Fiction yet?
01:30:04
Speaker
Yes.
01:30:05
Speaker
Can you do Keith David's character from that movie?
01:30:07
Speaker
Stop asking him to do Keith David!
01:30:09
Speaker
I don't want my brother getting canceled!
01:30:12
Speaker
Like the 12 people that are going to listen to this.
01:30:17
Speaker
I love Keith David too much to not practice a lot.
01:30:21
Speaker
What was Giancarlo Esposito from Do The Right Thing?
01:30:24
Speaker
Oh, that's a good question.
01:30:27
Speaker
Do Danny Aiello from Do The Right Thing, but with all of the bad words that you can't say.
01:30:33
Speaker
I mean, Giancarlo Esposito is just like, you stick to my brand new Air Jordans.
01:30:37
Speaker
That's all that he does.
01:30:39
Speaker
I mean, you could do all of the fucking Chichiro bits keeping in the slurs.
01:30:46
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:30:46
Speaker
You got to leave out the slurs, which is half of his dialogue in that movie.
01:30:51
Speaker
Do you think white actors, when they work with Spike Lee, are like, am I going to get to do it?
01:30:55
Speaker
Am I going to get to say them?
01:30:57
Speaker
Well, I think it's like Paul D'Aouser.
01:30:59
Speaker
If he's not going to let them say it.
01:31:00
Speaker
Yeah, of course.
01:31:01
Speaker
Adam Driver being my favorite example.
01:31:03
Speaker
Incredible.
01:31:04
Speaker
I love all those memes.
01:31:05
Speaker
I love all those memes from that scene where he's running at him as he drives down the street.
01:31:09
Speaker
And it's like, after he says it, it cuts to offscreen.
01:31:12
Speaker
It's like, hey, Mr. Driver, the line was...
01:31:15
Speaker
Yeah, you better run.
01:31:16
Speaker
He invests.
01:31:20
Speaker
We've got to figure out how to get Paul Walter Hauser on this podcast.
01:31:25
Speaker
We gotta figure out how to get Adam Driver in a Carpenter flick that is good.
01:31:29
Speaker
I mean, we gotta find a way to get Carpenter to make a movie.
01:31:33
Speaker
Take away his video games.
01:31:34
Speaker
Ground him.
01:31:35
Speaker
You know what, John?
01:31:36
Speaker
Yeah, then he's gonna start making weird synth music.
01:31:39
Speaker
Well, exactly.
01:31:40
Speaker
I'd take that.
Debating Merits of Carpenter's Films
01:31:41
Speaker
At this point, it's like I think he has four things in his house.
01:31:45
Speaker
He has a blender.
01:31:47
Speaker
He has an Xbox.
01:31:49
Speaker
He has a rolling table.
01:31:50
Speaker
He has a fleshlight.
01:31:53
Speaker
And he has a synthesizer.
01:31:54
Speaker
Those are the four things he has in his flesh.
01:31:57
Speaker
No, it's probably multiple, but I'm going to consolidate them all into one.
01:31:59
Speaker
It looks like the chest from the thing.
01:32:01
Speaker
From the thing.
01:32:02
Speaker
Yeah.
01:32:03
Speaker
He's very specific.
01:32:05
Speaker
He can't get hard.
01:32:06
Speaker
It's obviously the tube from Prince of Darkness.
01:32:09
Speaker
Oh, you're sorry.
01:32:10
Speaker
It's the ooze tube.
01:32:11
Speaker
The goop.
01:32:12
Speaker
I want to talk about two of the Carpenter flicks that I hadn't seen before that I watched for this episode.
01:32:17
Speaker
One of them being Vampires, which ripped.
01:32:21
Speaker
And one of them being Ghosts of Mars, which was not very good at all.
01:32:24
Speaker
Isn't Ice Cube in that?
01:32:27
Speaker
I haven't seen that or The Ward, his two 21st century movies.
01:32:30
Speaker
So here's the thing with Ghosts of Mars.
01:32:33
Speaker
The concept of this flick is very badass.
01:32:35
Speaker
It's people who live on Mars.
01:32:38
Speaker
Everything's by train.
01:32:39
Speaker
It's like classic, like Martian.
01:32:42
Speaker
There's rich people.
01:32:43
Speaker
There's poor people, you know, like working class.
01:32:45
Speaker
Let's do America all over again.
01:32:47
Speaker
Exactly the same on Mars.
01:32:49
Speaker
Sick.
01:32:50
Speaker
But it's like got like nu metal future, like all chrome fucking.
01:32:57
Speaker
And the score is a carpenter score, but it is nu metal.
01:33:02
Speaker
Sick.
01:33:03
Speaker
The score is badass.
01:33:05
Speaker
And the premise is that... I just want to comment on that I'm the only one looking at the screen right now.
01:33:11
Speaker
Everybody else is checking their email while Joe is talking.
01:33:13
Speaker
That's okay.
01:33:14
Speaker
I'm used to it.
01:33:15
Speaker
Just to be clear.
01:33:17
Speaker
Just want to be clear about that.
01:33:18
Speaker
I love you, Joe, and I'm here for you.
01:33:19
Speaker
I'm so glad this is an audio media.
01:33:24
Speaker
I can only hear Joe say nu metal so many times.
01:33:26
Speaker
The monster... Listen, if you don't like Limp Bizkit, you're fucking lying.
01:33:31
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you.
01:33:33
Speaker
The monster of this movie is an ancient Martian species that went dormant for a long time, but has since come back up because of industrialization.
01:33:44
Speaker
But it is in the wind.
01:33:48
Speaker
And it gets in you like a virus and turns you into a sort of self-immolating violence zombie.
01:33:57
Speaker
Oh, it's like the woke mind virus.
01:33:58
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:33:59
Speaker
Oh, I was going to say, it's kind of like what Brat did to me this summer.
01:34:02
Speaker
Mm hmm.
01:34:04
Speaker
It makes people start clawing at their own skin and giving themselves piercings.
01:34:09
Speaker
And they use saw blades and they throw them like ninja stars.
01:34:15
Speaker
And what I'm describing is a movie that's cool.
01:34:18
Speaker
But what happens is...
01:34:22
Speaker
What happens is that the pacing and the script of this movie are fucking a garbage disposal.
01:34:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:34:30
Speaker
Is it an editing issue?
01:34:32
Speaker
Yes and no.
01:34:34
Speaker
It's that nothing happens in the movie until the last 30 minutes.
01:34:38
Speaker
And by the time the last 30 minutes have come around, I don't care about any of the characters.
01:34:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:34:44
Speaker
Have you guys seen Carpenter's flick Pro-Life?
01:34:48
Speaker
No.
01:34:48
Speaker
No.
01:34:50
Speaker
That was like a TV short.
01:34:51
Speaker
Or that was like a TV movie he made.
01:34:53
Speaker
Yeah, but it's literally about what you think it is.
01:34:56
Speaker
What are you going to do?
01:34:58
Speaker
He's a boomer.
01:34:59
Speaker
Vampires, however, starts off awesome.
01:35:02
Speaker
Has some late 90s, early 2000s editing trends that I really don't like.
01:35:08
Speaker
But besides that, it's got the least known Baldwin brother, Dan.
01:35:13
Speaker
Okay, I'll say this.
01:35:15
Speaker
I agree with you.
01:35:16
Speaker
He's the least known.
01:35:17
Speaker
I have been watching Homicide Life on the Street, which Daniel Baldwin is phenomenal on.
01:35:23
Speaker
He's great in Vampire.
01:35:24
Speaker
He's really good at Vampire.
01:35:25
Speaker
He's basically just doing Alec, and I'll be honest, he might be better at Alec Baldwin than Alec Baldwin.
01:35:35
Speaker
Oh, my God.
01:35:36
Speaker
Because Daniel hasn't shot anyone.
01:35:40
Speaker
Yo, Alec Baldwin made his return to SNL this week.
01:35:42
Speaker
Now that we're talking about SNL.
01:35:44
Speaker
He played Brett Baier.
01:35:46
Speaker
He played Brett Baier interviewing Kamala Harris.
01:35:49
Speaker
They're not going to let him do Trump.
01:35:50
Speaker
No, no.
01:35:51
Speaker
Ghost of Mars has Jason Statham playing a dude named Sergeant Jericho Butler.
01:35:55
Speaker
Yeah.
01:35:56
Speaker
No, what I'm telling you is that on paper, Ghost of Mars is his best movie.
01:35:59
Speaker
Pam Greer?
01:36:00
Speaker
Pam Greer's in it.
01:36:02
Speaker
Incredible.
01:36:03
Speaker
Does Pam Greer show her titties?
01:36:05
Speaker
But Cheryl Lee does in Vampires.
01:36:07
Speaker
But I said this in the chat.
01:36:08
Speaker
Cheryl Lee is very tastefully new in Vampires.
01:36:13
Speaker
I love Vampires.
01:36:14
Speaker
It's one of my great shames in my life how much I love James Woods on screen.
01:36:19
Speaker
I find James Woods endlessly compelling.
01:36:22
Speaker
Is he bad?
01:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, he's a Trumpy.
01:36:25
Speaker
He's like a psycho Trumpy.
01:36:27
Speaker
He literally made a film in which he portrayed Rudolph Giuliani.
01:36:31
Speaker
Yeah, you do love Vincent Gallo.
01:36:34
Speaker
And you love Mel Gibson.
01:36:35
Speaker
He is?
01:36:37
Speaker
He was a stunt guy for a long time, and that movie's pretty stunt heavy.
01:36:42
Speaker
Let me just pitch vampires to you guys in this way.
01:36:44
Speaker
The way they kill the vampires is by harpooning them and then using a car winch to drag them into the sun.
01:36:52
Speaker
Joe, you might need to cut this, but your mic is sounding kind of funny.
01:36:56
Speaker
Fuck!
01:36:56
Speaker
It's quiet.
01:36:57
Speaker
It's okay.
01:36:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a little quiet and a little garbage.
01:36:59
Speaker
While you're fiddling with that, I think now is a great time, unless we have some final thoughts.
01:37:03
Speaker
I would love if everyone, and this is kind of putting you on the spot, Andy, but I would love to hear what everyone's top three carpenters are.
01:37:11
Speaker
I mean, you can put them in order if you want.
01:37:13
Speaker
I have mine in order, but... I'll start.
01:37:17
Speaker
Today, it is Halloween, The Thing, and Starman.
01:37:25
Speaker
um star man is is my um sort of romantic pick it's it's a basically a rom-com about an alien and a woman um starring jeff bridges who's my favorite actor and karen allen um and so today those of you my three although like i said in the mouth of madness is also always in that talk for me it's a good qualifier because i feel like mine also changes yeah often but mine my own droppable that's always in the top three is the thing and then and
01:37:55
Speaker
The Halloween surprisingly comes and goes out of my top three, even though I think it's unassailable.
01:38:02
Speaker
But I think if I were to just go like the three carpenters and I'm just like, yeah, those are mine.
01:38:08
Speaker
It'd be the thing.
01:38:08
Speaker
They live in the fog.
01:38:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:11
Speaker
Love that.
01:38:13
Speaker
Joe?
01:38:14
Speaker
Am I back?
01:38:15
Speaker
Can you?
01:38:16
Speaker
It's kind of still marble.
01:38:19
Speaker
I'm going to power through.
01:38:20
Speaker
Oh, there you go.
01:38:20
Speaker
That's better, actually.
01:38:21
Speaker
I'm just going to talk real close.
01:38:23
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:24
Speaker
My top three, easily no changes are Halloween, the thing and Prince of darkness.
01:38:30
Speaker
Love it.
01:38:31
Speaker
Andrew.
01:38:33
Speaker
The Thing is number one.
01:38:34
Speaker
Yep.
01:38:35
Speaker
In the Mouth of Madness.
01:38:37
Speaker
And then I would say Halloween's number three for me.
01:38:41
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:42
Speaker
Basic.
01:38:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:43
Speaker
No.
01:38:44
Speaker
It's what we're talking about.
01:38:46
Speaker
It's dingers all the time.
01:38:47
Speaker
It's hard.
01:38:48
Speaker
You know, it's like there's no wrong answers.
01:38:50
Speaker
Red?
01:38:52
Speaker
I'm with Joe.
01:38:52
Speaker
I mean, and I think in the exact same order, it's Halloween, then The Thing, and then Prince of Darkness.
01:38:58
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:01
Speaker
I think I can sit.
01:39:04
Speaker
I was like, yeah, you can't knock it.
01:39:06
Speaker
It's yeah.
01:39:07
Speaker
I there's no arguing.
01:39:09
Speaker
And he's also one of the only guys that can make a movie where the bad guy is a tube of Satan goo.
01:39:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:14
Speaker
Scary.
01:39:15
Speaker
And it's really scary.
01:39:17
Speaker
Dope as shit.
01:39:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:18
Speaker
I mean, I mentioned it earlier.
01:39:19
Speaker
Like, I think the scariest visual in any carpenter flick is
01:39:24
Speaker
is like the bugs is like the body turning into bugs.
01:39:26
Speaker
It's terrifying.
01:39:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's really fucked up.
01:39:28
Speaker
The use of the, the use of like the, the handy cam footage of like Satan or whatever it may be standing in the doorway of that church.
01:39:35
Speaker
There's like, I am just kind of baffled because it feels, it like feels like a film from 1987, but like,
01:39:44
Speaker
also really feels like an independent horror movie from like 1997.
01:39:46
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:48
Speaker
Or like 2001.
01:39:49
Speaker
Like it feels.
01:39:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:50
Speaker
That movie could come out today and it would still be scary and relevant.
01:39:54
Speaker
And I think we should do that.
01:39:55
Speaker
We should start re-releasing movies that people didn't see
Top Carpenter Films and Recent Watches
01:39:58
Speaker
and just see if people can catch that.
01:40:00
Speaker
They're old.
01:40:01
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:01
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:02
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:02
Speaker
It's true.
01:40:03
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:03
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:04
Speaker
Pretty great.
01:40:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:40:05
Speaker
Really, really excellent.
01:40:06
Speaker
Any final thoughts before we move on to everyone's favorite part of this show?
01:40:10
Speaker
He's just the best.
01:40:11
Speaker
I mean, I love John Carpenter.
01:40:13
Speaker
If you haven't done a deep dive, you might as well do it now because he's the best.
01:40:16
Speaker
Yeah, just do it.
01:40:17
Speaker
Do it all.
01:40:18
Speaker
Watch, I would say, practically all of his movies.
01:40:22
Speaker
Watch John Mulaney's show with him on it.
01:40:25
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:40:27
Speaker
Andy, do you want to start with your high and low?
01:40:28
Speaker
I know you need to dip.
01:40:30
Speaker
High and low of the week.
01:40:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:40:33
Speaker
Media that you consume this week.
01:40:34
Speaker
Oh, man.
01:40:35
Speaker
Oh, man.
01:40:36
Speaker
Yeah, I apologize.
01:40:37
Speaker
I'm going to have to bounce.
01:40:38
Speaker
Oh, you're good.
01:40:38
Speaker
You're good.
01:40:40
Speaker
I will absolutely kick off the high and low.
01:40:45
Speaker
My low this week.
01:40:50
Speaker
That's a good question.
01:40:54
Speaker
Lows can be a lot harder than highs.
01:40:56
Speaker
Lows are really hard for me because I really don't like negative.
01:41:01
Speaker
I'll say one thing about The Substance, which is a movie that I loved and I really enjoyed in so many ways.
01:41:13
Speaker
The low for me in that movie was just that moment when a movie that has been...
01:41:21
Speaker
put together with such confidence and such force suddenly loses its faith in the third act.
01:41:31
Speaker
In exactly the same moment that it's reaching its apotheosis, it is also failing to trust its audience completely.
01:41:41
Speaker
And that frustrated me so much and made me so sad because if that movie had just...
01:41:50
Speaker
And refused to like beat us over the head with, are you sure you got the point I was making?
01:41:57
Speaker
Are you sure?
01:41:59
Speaker
You got it, right?
01:42:00
Speaker
I'm going to do, I think I need to do a few more flashbacks just to make sure that you really get the things that I'm putting together.
01:42:06
Speaker
And then once that's done, I'm just going to tell you again and again and again.
01:42:10
Speaker
And it's like, come on.
01:42:12
Speaker
I was with you.
01:42:13
Speaker
Why?
01:42:14
Speaker
Why are you?
01:42:14
Speaker
Why are you now reaching back and making sure that I'm still sitting behind you on the motorcycle?
01:42:20
Speaker
Like it's careening toward the cliff.
01:42:23
Speaker
Andy, I think your low is Saturday night.
01:42:24
Speaker
You can just say it.
01:42:27
Speaker
I was going to avoid... Sorry, sorry.
01:42:30
Speaker
No, it's okay.
01:42:31
Speaker
It's okay.
01:42:34
Speaker
I was bored to tears by Saturday night.
01:42:38
Speaker
Joe's fuming.
01:42:40
Speaker
I went to the bathroom at one point in the middle and peeing was so much more interesting than...
Impact of Film Festivals
01:42:49
Speaker
loves looking at his wiener i just and and no this is this is the funny thing is that i don't um like that's what made it special i don't even like it so so that was that was a low um sorry i didn't mean to call you it's a it's a it's a separate longer yeah yeah we talked we talked a lot more about it
01:43:08
Speaker
Off-pod.
01:43:11
Speaker
But my high was the first act of the wild robot, which I thought was absolutely hysterical and inventive and fun and just like so loving of its subject, so playful in the way that it introduced the world that we're living in.
01:43:31
Speaker
It very clearly, it's a movie that very clearly becomes an Are You My Mother movie.
01:43:35
Speaker
But the very first line of the movie from the robot is, are you my customer?
01:43:42
Speaker
And there was something really lovely and twisted about that that I enjoyed the hell out of.
01:43:51
Speaker
Those are my lows and highs, gents.
01:43:53
Speaker
Thank you for being with us, Andy.
01:43:54
Speaker
We love you.
01:43:55
Speaker
Love you, too.
01:43:57
Speaker
I'll see y'all again soon.
01:43:59
Speaker
And we'll have a whole chat about Saturday night.
01:44:01
Speaker
Yeah, we can talk about it all.
01:44:02
Speaker
Just you and I. Yeah, yeah.
01:44:04
Speaker
Love y'all.
01:44:05
Speaker
Love you, buddy.
01:44:05
Speaker
Talk to you later.
01:44:06
Speaker
Bye.
01:44:10
Speaker
Damn, Joe.
01:44:12
Speaker
Damn, Joe.
01:44:14
Speaker
I'm having a hard time believing he was bored by that movie.
01:44:18
Speaker
There's a backstory that we all can talk about afterwards as well.
01:44:23
Speaker
I'll say that my low...
01:44:26
Speaker
was an experience I had from a movie that I actually really enjoyed.
01:44:30
Speaker
And my low was that during the runtime of the film audition, I did almost have to pause and go to the bathroom to throw up.
01:44:41
Speaker
Wow.
01:44:43
Speaker
So that never happens to me.
01:44:45
Speaker
And it wasn't even something torture related that caused it.
01:44:51
Speaker
which is what most people are grossed out by in this movie.
01:44:55
Speaker
It's something that happens right before that.
01:44:59
Speaker
I mean, I was watching it happen going, no, uh-uh, no, no, no.
01:45:06
Speaker
And I was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
01:45:11
Speaker
Then I made it through.
01:45:13
Speaker
Okay, good.
01:45:13
Speaker
Proud of you.
01:45:15
Speaker
Yeah, I was at work, too, so thrown up in the work toilet.
01:45:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:45:19
Speaker
been there uh uh i want to say this is my honorable mention high and i i have to say it's honorable mention because it was not as good as the thing that's my high but that's not its fault i will say my honorable mention high for this week is joker fully will do i loved this flick i had so much oh my god joe is the joker for the joker
01:45:44
Speaker
I fucking hated the first one, by the way, which that's what the caveat I gave is.
01:45:49
Speaker
No, I'm not a DC fan.
01:45:50
Speaker
I'm not a Joker fan.
01:45:52
Speaker
I'm not.
01:45:52
Speaker
I fucking hate Todd Phillips.
01:45:54
Speaker
I don't have a Todd Phillips fan either.
01:45:56
Speaker
I think that Joker folia do is the perfect send off.
01:46:02
Speaker
Fuck you to an era of superhero films that I am so glad is coming to an end.
01:46:07
Speaker
Hopefully.
01:46:09
Speaker
Uh, it's the dancing is great.
Media Highs and Lows
01:46:11
Speaker
The singing is fun.
01:46:12
Speaker
Um, it's a, basically a movie about how the people that like this movie, like the first movie and also dislike the movie are both stupid.
01:46:24
Speaker
Uh, and the only person that's smart is Todd Phillips.
01:46:27
Speaker
And I love it when a director does that.
01:46:29
Speaker
Okay.
01:46:31
Speaker
I do not think that he's a genius, but I do think that this movie was very good and that if you didn't like it, you didn't get it, and that's okay.
01:46:39
Speaker
Okay.
01:46:39
Speaker
So Joe's Golden Marmalade for Best Picture 2021.
01:46:42
Speaker
Might be nominated.
01:46:46
Speaker
My actual...
01:46:48
Speaker
high of the week is The Blob, the 1988 remake directed by Chuck Russell.
01:46:52
Speaker
This movie was a fucking instant classic for me.
01:46:55
Speaker
I loved it so much.
01:46:56
Speaker
Such inventive kills, great cast.
01:47:01
Speaker
I loved all the characters.
01:47:02
Speaker
The visuals are top-notch.
01:47:05
Speaker
The music, perfect.
01:47:08
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It's hard to beat this movie for me.
01:47:10
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I love sci-fi horror, first of all.
01:47:13
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I also love horror where the monster is...
01:47:16
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kind of like i'm gonna be scared of a blob yeah right and then you're like oh shit this is like oh i'm scared of a blob yeah so uh yeah those are my those are my highs and lows and i would love to hear from mr zach all right um so normally i'm in the same boat as andy where i'm just like i don't know what the my low is
01:47:40
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And normally, that would make a lot of sense because I watched a lot of good shit this week.
01:47:45
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But my low is so easy.
01:47:51
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So this is not my low.
01:47:52
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I watched the Rodriguez-Tarantino grindhouse thing for the first time this week, and I loved that.
01:47:58
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Followed that up watching Machete.
01:48:01
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Loved that as well.
01:48:03
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And then...
01:48:05
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Obviously, after Machete, I watched Machete Kills.
01:48:08
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Oh, my God.
01:48:10
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That movie pissed me off so much.
01:48:12
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I'm going to spoil it because I do not give a fuck about this movie and who I'm about to talk about.
01:48:18
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But have either of y'all seen Machete Kills?
01:48:20
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I have not.
01:48:21
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Y'all want to know how it ends?
01:48:23
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Please.
01:48:24
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Machete is saved.
01:48:26
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Machete calls Elon Musk and SpaceX saves him.
01:48:31
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And Elon Musk literally shows up in the movie and saves the day.
01:48:35
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That's trash.
01:48:37
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It pissed me off so much.
01:48:39
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That's absolute garbage.
01:48:41
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So that was my low.
01:48:44
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Let me read to y'all why my high is very hard this week.
01:48:48
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Instead of doing an honorable mention, I'm just going to list some movies I watched this week for the first time.
01:48:52
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Prince of Darkness, The Host, Ring, The Ring, Night of the Hunter, Argento Suspiria, Hoop Dreams, and Halloween 2.
01:49:05
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So hell yeah.
01:49:07
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Hell of a fucking lineup.
01:49:09
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So I'm just going to, I'm going to pick one that I feel like I connect with on the highest level as like, this is my shit versus me thinking this is the best thing.
01:49:19
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The Japanese ring fellas.
01:49:21
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Okay.
01:49:22
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Ring do.
01:49:23
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Let's ASAP.
01:49:24
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Yeah, yeah.
01:49:25
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I like the remake too, but the original is just so good.
01:49:29
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It feels grounded in some ways for horror, the way that Cure feels grounded.
01:49:33
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That you're just like, oh yeah, this shit could happen to me.
01:49:38
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Whereas like Verbinski's I love, but not for a second.
01:49:41
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I'm like, oh, this is some shit that happens in the real world.
01:49:44
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Sure.
01:49:44
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Gore Verbinski is very fantastical and I love the way he makes it.
01:49:48
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In a good way.
01:49:49
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Yeah.
01:49:50
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Yeah.
01:49:51
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Ring or ring.
01:49:53
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Um, yeah, really, really awesome.
01:49:56
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Oh yeah.
01:49:56
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Don't fire that up this week.
01:49:58
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Please.
01:49:59
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And I want to hear from Austin cause I saw him in the movie store.
01:50:03
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Yeah, that's right, baby.
01:50:04
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Me and Zach had a wonderful meetup in San Antonio.
01:50:07
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Um, that to say I was in, uh, Bernie San Antonio area for a wedding.
01:50:11
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My cousin's wedding.
01:50:12
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I'm similar to Zach.
01:50:13
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I kind of had a brief week of watching because I was out of town for a few days for the wedding.
01:50:18
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Um,
01:50:18
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But my so my low is a little niche because I didn't watch a ton of stuff that I didn't like.
01:50:24
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My low is the DJ at my cousin's wedding.
01:50:28
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I introduced myself to him and he said, I'm Ernie from Bernie.
01:50:31
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And I immediately knew we were in for disaster.
01:50:35
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And he was just terrible.
01:50:36
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He played terrible music.
01:50:37
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He didn't have good transitions.
01:50:40
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He had like a list of, he like would let you request songs by like writing it on a sheet of paper.
01:50:44
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And then he proceeded to hardly play any of the songs that were requested.
01:50:47
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How many times did he play Shut Up and Dance With Me?
01:50:51
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We left pretty early because he was so bad, but I'm sure it got there.
01:50:56
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It was really bad, but it was fun.
01:51:00
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getting to watch my uncle who's 60 years old know every word to baby got back that was very entertaining um but it was he was terrible um my honorable mention hi i'll say we've talked about in the mouth of madness but i watched that again today incredible um new nightmare which i watched for the first time west craven's new nightmare which i watch is absolutely fantastic fantastic
01:51:22
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kind of a beautiful precursor to his work in the Scream franchise of self-referential horror, drawing the movie-making aspect into the movie itself.
01:51:33
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I thought that was, it was just very brilliantly done and easy to follow in a way that a movie like that can be very difficult to follow.
01:51:40
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Um, my for real high is, um, the book that I'm about to finish, which is called geek love by Catherine Dunn.
01:51:48
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Um, it's a movie or it's a book, sorry.
01:51:51
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It's a book that was written in the late eighties.
01:51:53
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Um, that's about, um, basically, um, these two circus freaks.
01:51:59
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One of them is the kind of ringleader of a carnival.
01:52:02
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And the other one is the, the woman is the geek.
01:52:05
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Who's the one who bites the heads off of live chickens, um,
01:52:08
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And they, thank you Zach for showing your face.
01:52:11
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They decide when they're about to have children.
01:52:14
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I know that I'm listening.
01:52:15
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I know you are, I know you are.
01:52:16
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But I'm here.
01:52:17
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I know, I know.
Book Highlight: 'Geek Love'
01:52:20
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They decide to have children and they decide that they want to basically breed carnival freaks.
01:52:26
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And so they start pumping the mother full of drugs and using radiation on her and all this stuff to fuck with her pregnancy.
01:52:34
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And she gives birth to a child with fins.
01:52:38
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And she gives birth to like Siamese twins who have one lower body and two upper bodies.
01:52:45
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And she gives birth to a albino dwarf with a big hump.
01:52:49
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And then she, her last, her youngest child is a telekinetic woman.
01:52:54
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like all normal except he's telekinetic um and it's basically about like what happens if that's your family um and the perspective your perspective character is the third child who's the albino dwarf and she um she kind of
01:53:11
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uh, is kind of ostracized in a sense.
01:53:13
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Like she doesn't get to perform.
01:53:14
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She just helps out behind the scenes of the carnival because she's like the least freakish or the least like promotably freakish of them.
01:53:21
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Like she's the least interesting to the public, but the, the oldest who's the one with the fins Arturo, he like starts a cult where people start cutting off their limbs so they can be like him.
01:53:33
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Um, it's fucking sick and amazing and I love it.
01:53:37
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Um, so yeah, my high is geek love.
01:53:40
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Uh,
01:53:41
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Yeah.
01:53:42
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By Catherine Dunn.
01:53:43
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Check it out if you have an interest in horror fiction on the page.
01:53:48
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That is fascinating.
01:53:49
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It's so good.
01:53:51
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Really looking forward to it.
01:53:53
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So that just leaves me.
01:53:54
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Let's go.
01:53:55
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Not just Red.
01:53:56
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That leaves you.
01:53:57
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It leaves me as the final boy.
01:54:00
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The final boy.
01:54:01
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Scream Queen, Red Rankin.
01:54:04
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Yes, exactly.
01:54:05
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I traveled a lot this week.
01:54:07
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I've been...
01:54:09
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So I've been like kind of all over the place.
01:54:11
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I haven't been able to watch a ton this week.
01:54:17
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But so my low, I don't really know if I have one.
01:54:20
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I probably saw some stupid tweet or something really frustrating.
01:54:25
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Twitter has been a damn wasteland more than usual lately.
01:54:28
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Correct.
01:54:29
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It's brutal out there.
01:54:31
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So I, yeah, I can't, I can't really think of anything.
01:54:37
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Um, I, I think because most of what I've been watching this week is rewatching Carpenter stuff.
01:54:45
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I, when we've talked about it all episode.
01:54:48
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So I think my highs, I'm just going to talk about music.
01:54:51
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Um,
01:54:52
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So in terms of listening, Ben, going back through, I mentioned 3D Country by Geese last week, the week before, revisiting our amigos in the Flaming Hot Cheeto Burrito, or in the incaps, their record Flaming Hot Cheeto Burrito.
01:55:09
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The Vampire Weekend album, which Zach decried on this podcast.
01:55:16
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And this is a shout out kind of my friend, my friend Taylor, who
01:55:20
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was the first person I knew who was really into Zach Top.
01:55:24
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Yeah, excellent.
01:55:27
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He's fucking got it, man.
01:55:28
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I mean, he is... Listened to a lot of Zach Top at the wedding this weekend.
01:55:32
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Yeah, that is... There's been a good resurgence of some, like, yeah, classic-sounding country.
01:55:38
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Old-school country guys.
01:55:39
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And it's what I really want.
01:55:41
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Yeah, and gals.
01:55:42
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Because I really want...
01:55:44
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like Bella White and people like that who are doing really cool stuff.
01:55:46
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But a lot of these folks are doing the prime thing.
01:55:50
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They're going into 70s, 60s, where it's like I love that Zach Topp's like, I don't know, he's probably 28 or 29.
01:55:58
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He's like, you know what country music I love?
01:56:01
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Country music from somewhere between 1988 and 1998.
01:56:03
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Yeah.
01:56:04
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Y'all know Maggie Antone?
01:56:06
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Yeah, dude.
01:56:07
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Maggie Antone rips.
01:56:08
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Same deal.
01:56:09
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Yeah.
01:56:09
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So I think the last thing I will shout out music-wise, just because I have been listening to a lot of really badass stuff,
01:56:16
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I'm just going to pick Zach Topp as my high, but the last honorable mention is a new track from Ken Pomeroy and John Moreland, a couple of great Oklahomans.
01:56:23
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It's a new track called Coyote, which is very, very good.
01:56:26
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If you haven't listened to Ken Pomeroy, she was on the Twister soundtrack and is just doing really cool stuff.
Music Preferences
01:56:33
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She will go on tour with Turnpike or John Moreland.
01:56:37
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Ken Pomeroy is like
01:56:38
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I just have this feeling that the songwriting is so good that she's going to hit a, there's going to be a spike soon where she's all over the goddamn place, or at least I hope so.
01:56:48
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Love it.
01:56:50
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That is it.
01:56:51
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That's it.
01:56:51
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Thank you for joining us.
01:56:53
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Thank you to Andy Ingalls and Joe, who both had to scoot out early.
01:56:58
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We love those boys.
01:56:59
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Boys, I love you.
01:57:00
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You know who else we love?
01:57:01
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The Dodgers.
01:57:02
Speaker
Fuck the Mets.
01:57:02
Speaker
Shut the fuck up.
01:57:05
Speaker
Is it 6-3?
01:57:05
Speaker
Fuck me.
01:57:08
Speaker
I'm sad.
01:57:08
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Go Dodgers.
01:57:10
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Let's go Mets.
01:57:12
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Boys, I love you.
01:57:13
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Listener.
01:57:14
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01:57:14
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01:57:16
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Bye.
01:57:16
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Bye.