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PGW 27: Slasher?! Hardly Know 'er + TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (1974)
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We kick off October with a celebration of the goriest and often silliest of genres! The boys then take a trip to the country and discuss Tobe Hooper's masterpiece THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE
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Introduction and Light-hearted Banter
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Welcome to Paddington Godwild, the internet's only barbecue enthusiast podcast.
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Yeah.
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I'm one of your hosts and the Grandpa Sawyer of this podcast, Red Rankin.
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Joined, as always, by my illustrious co-hosts.
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Before we start recording, each of us have to prick our fingers so that a little blood comes out and they put it in Red's mouth.
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Yeah, put it onto the camera.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh.
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Joined, as always, by my illustrious co-hosts, the only man who actually had a good time at Sleepaway Camp,
Horror Movie Humor and 'Fuck, Marry, Kill' Game
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Joe.
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Joe.
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The person who haunts Freddy's stream, Zach.
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yep yep that's correct and the fellow who loaned michael myers those coveralls austin dude bro is fitting that william shatner mask baby i took care of my man's fuck mary kill michael myers jason voorhees from freddie oh if we're talking about if we're talking about first friday the 13th i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm fucking jason yeah fucking his mom
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Yeah, you're fucking mom of Voorhees.
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Yeah, but it's like, it's like murky.
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It's kind of like psycho, you know, like, well, he's there at the end.
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It's very weird.
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Let's see.
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I am killing Jason because fuck that movie.
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I'm going to fuck Freddy and I'm going to marry Michael.
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You're fucking Freddy would be interesting.
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Yeah, dude.
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No, no, no.
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Freddy is a manifestation of your worst fears.
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The child molestation bit of the Freddy Krueger lore came from a bad movie.
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I've only seen the first one, so I can't speak to the sequels.
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Freddy's very much a molester.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure Michael, you know, got his rocks off with some people he shouldn't have.
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I know because I because the thing with Michael is that Michael is stuck in a seven year old's body.
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Yeah, but he loved those tits here.
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This is the point of the beginning.
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I want to be real clear.
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This was a rhetorical question as a joke.
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And you all decided to know, you're going to ask a fucking question.
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And now you're going to sleep in it.
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You have issues between sleeping with an adult man and a seven year old with a seven year old's mind.
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or having sex with someone who molests children.
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So you either have to have sex with a child molester or be a child molester.
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You have to do it.
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So, I mean, you make your choice.
Kicking off Horror Month: Focus on 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre'
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You pick.
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What is this turning into a saw?
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Yeah.
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Here's one of my biggest problems of all time.
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It's Jigsaw, but he makes you do a case of the whole thing from the internet.
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He makes you just play fuck, marry, kill.
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I, one of like the biggest bugaboos of my whole life is I saw the Rick and Morty episode with the Friday, with their Freddy.
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What's that guy's name?
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Do you guys remember?
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Scary Terry.
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Before I ever saw Nightmare on Elm Street.
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And so I couldn't stop thinking about Scary Terry while I watched Nightmare on Elm Street.
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I'm not off this bit yet.
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Hold on.
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I have to do it.
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I just have to do a bit really quick.
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Do you want to play a game?
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TV turns on.
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Guys strapped to a chair.
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Inside your stomach is a phone.
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You must cut out the phone from your stomach using the straight razor I've given you.
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If you want to make it out alive, you must log on to your Twitter account and tweet the N-word seven times.
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And if you delete it, I'm coming back for you.
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There is legitimately a bit like that in the movie that just came out on Netflix, It's What's Inside.
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I saw that you liked that.
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Was it good?
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It's very fun.
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It's like if Knives Out meets Freaky Friday meets House.
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Oh, that's a really 1977 house or like Hugh Laurie.
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Yeah, no.
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Yeah, no.
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It's there's just a doctor in there that's like taking hella drugs and diagnosing people.
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Well, the reason I bring up house is because there's a sequence in the middle of the movie that's like directly inspired from it.
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Okay, well, that is a good review and I will be watching that.
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One of the stars of this movie is named Gavin Leatherwood.
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Reminds me of a certain cannibal family we'll be talking about today.
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Oh, other way.
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Folks, this is the kickoff of Horror Month here on PGW.
Personal Introductions to the Horror Genre
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And we're kicking off with one of the most fun genres around, which is the slasher genre brought to us by Mr. Austin John Ingalls.
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And then we'll talk about slashers.
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We'll see how long we go.
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And then in the back part of the show, the back half, or maybe even really just kind of the full breadth of the show, we will talk about the masterpiece that is Toby Hooper's 1974, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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It's stabbing time.
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I got to ask.
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Yeah.
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Why slashers?
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Yeah, I think for me, I didn't grow up with horror movies.
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I come from a pretty reserved household, as I know at least a couple of us do.
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So they were not a part of my upbringing.
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I found them very scary.
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Anytime I'd see trailers, I'd be scared out of my mind.
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So I didn't start really watching horror movies until maybe three years ago.
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So I'm fairly new to it and I've tried to do a lot of catching up in that time, particularly with the classics and the ones that I've found my way into the easiest have been the slashers for I think a number of reasons, partially just because of the simplicity of the storytelling.
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maybe not so much Texas Chainsaw Massacre, although it is simple in some ways, but it's very convoluted and strange in others.
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But something like Halloween, where it's like, this guy wants to kill people, and that's what he's going to do.
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And the whole movie is just going to be a series of him killing people.
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And like, I love that, because to me, like,
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The best stories throughout history are oftentimes the simplest.
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Like it's like, and it's the tropes we see over and over again.
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It's, you know, it's the Joseph Campbell power of myth.
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It's like, it's boy meets girl goes off on a quest.
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You know, there's all these different tropes obviously that we see throughout time.
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But to me, the slasher just gets at the heart of the genre because what do you fear more than death?
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you know, more than someone killing you with a knife.
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And so, yeah, I think it was just like the first time I really like settled into an October where I was watching a lot of horror movies.
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Like I watched Halloween for the first time.
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I watched Texas Chainsaw for the first time.
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Like I watched, I just tried to knock off a lot of these like classic slashers.
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And as I've tried to do this past week prepping for this podcast,
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just catching up on a bunch of others that I'd never seen.
Essential Elements of Slasher Movies
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And I was like, yeah, this makes the most sense to me.
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And they also just give like opportunities to directors to just do like the gnarliest, coolest shit.
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And people take that in different directions and, you know, they put it in dreams or they put it in the afterlife or they put it in the underworld or whatever.
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But it's like, to me, the simplest thing is like,
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yo, a dude has a knife in the suburbs and he's going to come kill you.
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And like, that's scary every time.
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And so I just love him.
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Yeah.
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I think there's also a really interesting thing.
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There's like...
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I think you can have a real sense of place with a slasher of like what, you know, whether it's Jason goes to Manhattan or Jason X. Yeah.
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But Jason goes to hell where he fucking doesn't really go to hell.
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Bullshit ass title.
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Bullshit ass movie.
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Yeah.
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Fuck him.
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Fuck.
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But like the thought of.
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For the most part, the Halloween franchise takes place in Haddonfield, Illinois.
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Mm hmm.
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which doesn't exist.
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It's an amalgamation of what's in Los Angeles.
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And then thinking about the movie we're talking about today, Texas Chainsaw.
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And there's a really specific take, and I want to unpack this when we start talking about Texas Chainsaw, but you talking specifically, Austin, about there's a guy in the suburbs who wants to kill
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Indiscriminately, sometimes discriminately.
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I mean, like, in almost every slasher movie, there's going to be a moment of which, like, somebody doesn't die for some reason or another.
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Yeah, they get away.
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But, like, I think it really adds to that feeling of...
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mundane life and there is someone who is coming in to ruin that mundanity.
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I think it works especially well in the suburbs.
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I love Slumber Party Massacre, which you guys haven't seen.
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I've seen it.
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It's great.
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Yeah, there's a really fucking gnarly kill with a drill in that movie.
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Isn't that most of them?
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Yes, actually.
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I was going to say, the killer in that movie is called the Driller Killer.
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The Driller Killer.
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He does use different weapons at different points, but he does have a drill for the most part.
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It's gnarly.
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And also, speaking of the Driller Killer, Abel Ferreira directed a full Driller Killer movie.
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Check that one out.
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That one's gnarly.
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That's cool.
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I love Abel Ferreira.
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Is it like that?
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Does he use the dialogue like he does in Red Rose Hotel where you don't understand a goddamn word anybody saying and it's still awesome?
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Yeah, I think that's I think that's a sort of Abel Ferreira mainstay.
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Yeah, yeah, he's good at that.
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I will say, I just, just speaking to your point, Red, another movie I watched this week for the first time is Black Christmas, Bob Clark's movie, which is fucking phenomenal and so scary and doesn't end in any sort of hopeful way, which I really admire because a lot of these movies have an ending.
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Like, Texas Chainsaw does not end hopefully, but like she does escape.
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She does get away, spoiler alert.
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And so it's like,
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Black Christmas ends and it's like, these people are still fucked.
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And that's kind of sick.
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But it's also like...
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It takes place in a sorority house.
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It's
Discussion on 'Slumber Party Massacre'
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like a killer in a sorority house who's like calling them and being super fucking creepy and inappropriate and saying the C word a lot.
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And then it just like goes from there.
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And again, it's like, thank you.
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Cockadoodledoo.
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It's just like mundanity.
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It's just like, like you said, it's like these, these girls who are trapped in this like boring ass college life.
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And this dude just comes in and fucks it up.
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I think because the primary thread you need for a slasher movie is so basic and simple, we could say spoiler alert for a lot of these movies, but it really doesn't fucking matter for most of them.
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But I think because of the simplicity, there's so much avenue to get creative within it because you have slashers that are objectively funny and just mostly a fun time throughout.
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Then you have some that are gut-riching or just truly terrifying.
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And then some that are blend like a lot of the screen franchise is a blend of like just self-referential like let's just literally talk about slasher movies tropes for like seven six movies straight.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I love those movies.
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You have Everyone Dies movies and then you go as far as like Scream 6.
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It's like, oh, and the plot twist is everybody lives.
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Like, that's a new one.
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Well, I love the monologue in Scream 5 when he's like
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When Jack Quaid gives that monologue about like just renaming the movie, the same thing is in a movie.
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That's just, it's just called scream.
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Like I love, I watched all the screen movies last October as part of my, my horror month.
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And those movies I think are terrific.
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And,
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Wes Craven can do that because he's already mastered the genre.
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So he can then deconstruct it.
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Whereas like if somebody else did that, like I like the new ones too, but like they're playing off a template that's already been set.
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So it's like he can do that because he can break all the rules that he helped to write.
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I was going to say, he did that again with New Nightmare, which I haven't seen, but I'm excited to see it.
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It's like a deconstruction of the Freddy mythos, which is pretty interesting.
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The only one of the screen movies I think is legitimately a bit of a mess is the last one.
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They do a little too much.
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But yeah, overall, I think they had a lot of trouble.
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It gets away with the self-referential stuff a lot.
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I think specifically Wes Craven gets away with the self-referential stuff and then people trying to crib him kind of get away with it because they're trying to jack his steez.
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And so you kind of get a little bit of leeway.
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Jack his steed.
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Trying to jack him off.
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Off.
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You know, I didn't know how much we were going to talk about jacking off on this episode, so I figured we had to get it in there.
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Slashers are inherently horny.
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It's not anybody's fault.
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We didn't do this on purpose.
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It's just that most slashers are horny.
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Most slashers are men who are using a penetrative object.
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One of the rules to survive.
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And let me tell you what, Slumber Party Massacre is a great movie.
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Yeah.
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Outside of this reason, but also it's directed by a woman, which is very... Oh, that's sick.
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Because it is very much like a co-eds getting killed by a man movie.
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But it's like... The way that it's shot and filmed is like very...
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I don't know.
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It's hard to describe because it's a movie that you could totally look at and go, yeah, whoever made this hates women.
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But then if you look at it at a different level, you're like, oh, okay, I can see where the feminism is in this.
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But also, it's a slasher movie that's sick as hell, so it doesn't really matter.
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I think it is...
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And I do love that we've started talking about Summer Party Massacre because slashers are typically not directed by women.
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They're usually directed by men.
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And it is almost always a male antagonist, usually murdering females with a penetrative object, as you said, Austin.
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And it's an interesting thing because I have talked to a lot of people who don't love slasher movies because it's one of the most common...
Exploration of 'Sleepaway Camp' and Creative Kills
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uses of movies like perpetuating violence towards women, which I think is a really interesting thing.
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I referenced Sleepaway Camp up at the top of the episode.
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There's another movie I just watched for the first time.
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I think it's fucking awesome.
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Great movie.
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I love Sleepaway Camp.
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Great movie.
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That last shot will stick with me for the rest of my life.
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Incredible final shot and incredible twist ending.
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And that is actually one that I think it's an interesting thing you brought up, Zach, because...
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For me, most of the time in a slasher, I don't care to know what the ending is.
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I just don't want you to spoil what the coolest kills are.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Whereas Sleepaway Camp is one that I'm like, no, no, no, no.
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You can tell me the kills because the kills are all except for like there's a couple that are invented, but they're all relatively.
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They're just pretty basic.
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But the key is the vibe and the ending.
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Shocking.
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Like, yeah.
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I mean, just to talk about a recent slasher that Red and I saw together and neither of us liked, but I do really like the kills is in a violent nature, which I think is a kind of a bullshit movie.
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But like there is two kills in that movie that I think are absolutely phenomenal.
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There's one, he has like two hooks and there's one where he like literally like,
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punches a hole in a woman's stomach puts a hook in her head and then pulls her head through her stomach and it's like holy fucking shit i've never seen that in my life like that is wild shit and then there's one that i like but it is kind of boring where he's got like a table saw kind of thing and it's just slowly working toward a person's crotch basically
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Yeah, classic building suspense.
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Exactly.
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Oh, shit.
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It's a log splitter.
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It's a log splitter.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, and exactly.
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And the whole point of that movie is like, what's he going to do next?
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But most of the movie is him just like walking through the fucking woods and it's boring as all.
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So do we want to talk about like what constitutes a good slasher?
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Like what is it that you have to have?
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Because we are like we mentioned that you can have a lot of variety within this because the main line is pretty simple.
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People getting away from evil.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, is the one thing you can't like get away from like you have to have?
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Is it the quality of the inventiveness of the kills or is it the suspense that is built up between the moments or the backstory of the why?
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Or is that part irrelevant completely?
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I like movies where I know less about why.
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Yeah, I think that most a lot of slashers get bogged down in the why.
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So she's why that fucking Nightmare on Elm Street remake that was like pretty recent was so fucking bad because they were like, Jackie.
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Yeah, let's get really into the child molesting background of Freddy.
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Whereas the best Nightmare on Elm Street movies are just like, yeah, I mean, he gets in your dreams and he sort of kills you.
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Bugs you up, yeah.
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Or like Candyman is a really good example of like not really knowing what it actually is, but hinting at it, hinting at the metaphor of it.
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Michael Myers is my favorite example from like the first two Halloween films and maybe the Rob Zombie ones too.
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Those movies are upsetting as fuck.
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I love the Rob Zombie movies, but the Rob Zombie movies are super lore heavy.
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Yeah, but he does a better job at it than I'm talking about like the Halloween kills and the David Gordon Green one.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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Right.
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But the first one specifically is just like, yeah, he got he went crazy and now he can't die.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, you figure.
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I like I like movies.
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I'm sorry.
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No, it's OK.
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I was just going to say I like movies where maybe the lore is not important.
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but people are interested in it.
00:17:35
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Like Candyman, like you mentioned, it's like, that's a movie about people calling for a killer.
00:17:41
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Like, and it's, it's about a folk story.
00:17:44
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It's about like a, you know, a sort of like,
00:17:46
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that's told in the girl's bathroom.
00:17:48
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And like, I thought the new one was like, not great, but fine.
00:17:52
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But I watched the original for the first time this week and thought it was phenomenal.
00:17:57
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I was like, this is a great movie.
00:17:59
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The shot of the fucking bees is one of the coolest.
00:18:01
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So fucking upsetting.
00:18:03
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Clarissa walked in during that scene and she was just like, what the fuck is this?
00:18:07
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And I was like, yeah, it's gross as hell.
00:18:10
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But I like, I really liked that movie because it's like,
00:18:15
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First of all, great kills.
00:18:16
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Secondly, like really gnarly and talks about like a person's descent, which that's the other thing I like.
'Nightmare on Elm Street' and Freddy Krueger's Influence
00:18:23
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in these movies is your protagonist descending to some level of madness.
00:18:31
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Yeah.
00:18:31
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All my favorite movies like this have that towards the end where obviously these, this trauma, it's not on the surface and it's not there present the whole time.
00:18:40
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It's not about that.
00:18:41
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But at the end, you're like, this person will never be okay again.
00:18:45
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And a lot of times they're trying to get help from people who weren't a part of whatever was happening and no one believes them.
00:18:50
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Yeah.
00:18:50
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And they're just disregarded.
00:18:52
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And that's, yeah.
00:18:53
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And that's the harshest part to me that really gets my feelings involved.
00:18:58
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And that's what I love so much about Texas Chainsaw.
00:19:00
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It's like, these people cannot find anyone to help them.
00:19:03
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And they keep trying and trying and trying and keeps going worse and worse and worse.
00:19:07
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And that to me is like,
00:19:09
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And that's where my emotions get engaged.
00:19:12
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I love Nightmare on Elm Street so much.
00:19:15
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Especially, I like the first one and the third one the most.
00:19:19
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I think the second one's fine.
00:19:21
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And New Nightmare is great.
00:19:22
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But one and three are genuinely perfect movies, in my opinion.
00:19:26
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And I like Freddy as a villain so much because the way that he gets you in your dreams inherently...
00:19:36
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delegitimizes your claim that someone is hunting you.
00:19:40
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It's inherently like, what do you mean?
00:19:43
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That's not possible.
00:19:46
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Candyman's the same thing.
00:19:47
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Let's get into Nightmare on Elm Street a little bit.
00:19:49
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Yeah, because Zach has an interesting take.
00:19:51
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I saw it for the first time yesterday.
00:19:54
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Or the day before.
00:19:55
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I was this last week.
00:19:57
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Yeah, and
00:19:59
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I really, really loved the movie.
00:20:01
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And I think everything where like Freddie was killing someone and you saw the kill happening while he was, for lack of a better word, like invisible.
00:20:11
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Yeah.
00:20:11
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All of that.
00:20:13
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Yeah.
00:20:13
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All of that worked so well for me.
00:20:15
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But anytime when it was like one on one with Freddie and he's just like kind of hamming it up.
00:20:21
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Kind of didn't do it for me.
00:20:23
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I don't know.
00:20:24
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I get that.
00:20:25
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I think that's why I like him so much because the thing about him that's scary is that is like, uh, like Pennywise isn't scary when you sit, when he's just like looking at you.
00:20:35
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I don't know about that.
00:20:36
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He's pretty fucking scary.
00:20:37
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He's pretty freaky.
00:20:38
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I'm scared by Pennywise.
00:20:40
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Fuck Pennywise.
00:20:40
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He's pretty scary.
00:20:41
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Fuck that guy.
00:20:42
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I mean, okay.
00:20:44
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I'm talking about Tim Curry, Pennywise, first of all.
00:20:46
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Oh, that guy's not scary.
00:20:47
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Bill Skarsgรฅrd is scary.
00:20:49
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Yeah, when Bill Skarsgรฅrd twists out of the little shelf.
00:20:53
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Yeah, he's freaky.
00:20:54
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I'm talking about the version of it that scared my parents.
00:21:01
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But...
00:21:02
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And it's the same thing for me with Freddy.
00:21:04
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Like, okay, yeah, no, he doesn't look that scary.
00:21:06
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His claws kind of creepy.
00:21:08
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But just like imagine someone that doesn't look that scary and you're like, who the fuck is this guy?
00:21:14
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But all of a sudden he can suck your boyfriend into his bed and then shoot a cartoonish amount of blood into the ceiling.
00:21:23
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Yeah, that part's terrifying and cool and awesome to watch.
00:21:27
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The blood spurt is sick.
00:21:29
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It might literally just be the fedora, dude.
00:21:33
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the hat does not do him any favors it's a cute sweater though i mean he is the sweater is great the hat's not speaking of like directors getting to do cool shit like the reason why i like nightmare on elm street so much is because wes craven does some crazy inventive shit with freddy like he gets to go hog wild there's kills in the third one that when i watched it for the first time i was like
00:21:58
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How did this work?
00:21:59
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How did you make this happen?
00:22:01
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I'm going to watch the rest of it soon.
00:22:02
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I won't spoil it, but there is one that involves puppeteering.
00:22:05
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Oh, sick.
00:22:05
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That is absolutely mind-boggling.
00:22:08
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Great, great movie.
00:22:09
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The third one is perfect, in my opinion.
00:22:11
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Patricia Arquette and Lawrence Fishburne.
00:22:14
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Dream Warriors.
00:22:16
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I'm excited to re-watch and watch the rest of them.
00:22:19
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New Nightmare is great because Wes Craven plays himself.
00:22:24
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It's like Scream meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
00:22:27
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The cast of the original plays themselves.
00:22:29
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New Nightmare is about
00:22:32
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like freddy is not freddy it's a demon that is using freddy as a portal to come into the real world and attack the cast and crew of the original nightmare on elm street movie sick that's a cool idea scream plot yeah yeah it's super sick he got he got in his bag with the meta you know he really did and i appreciate
Creative Weapons in Slasher Movies
00:22:53
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it truly and it's meta in a way that doesn't annoy me which is very hard
00:22:57
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yeah yeah i mean that's how the screen movies are for me it's like the is it the second or third screen movie where they're at college that's the second one second i love that one because i love timothy oliphant um and it's just so it's that one to me when i watched them all i was like starting with the movie with uh fucking um omar epps and is it um what's her name
00:23:24
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Will Smith's wife?
00:23:26
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Oh, Jada Bell.
00:23:27
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Is it Jada Pinkett in Scream 2?
00:23:30
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Am I lying?
00:23:31
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It's Omar Epps, I know.
00:23:33
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But it's like that to me.
00:23:34
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I was like, this is very smart.
00:23:37
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This is a very smart guy.
00:23:38
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Oh, it is Jada Pinkett.
00:23:41
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Let's go.
00:23:42
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I nailed it.
00:23:44
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Nobody gets slapped, though.
00:23:45
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What the fuck?
00:23:47
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They should make a horror movie where Will Smith kills people with a slap.
00:23:50
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Speaking of interesting weapons, my favorite...
00:24:02
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thing about slashers is when I can tell someone was like, okay, this would be a cool slasher weapon and then built a movie around this.
00:24:10
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Yeah.
00:24:10
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Give me an example.
00:24:11
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There is.
00:24:12
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Okay.
00:24:12
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If I was great, I'm saying if you want to get the real crazy shit, you got to go into the VHS back of the video store crap.
00:24:21
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Yeah.
00:24:21
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Cause there is a great movie called killer workout where the, um, where the, the slasher's weapon is a giant safety pin.
00:24:32
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Oh, interesting.
00:24:34
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There's a movie I watched.
00:24:35
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Not what I expected you to say.
00:24:36
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There's a movie really recently that I watched called Sledgehammer.
00:24:38
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And if you can guess what the weapon of this movie is, I'll give you $5.
00:24:43
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Is it a mandolin, a kitchen mandolin?
00:24:47
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Ah, Austin.
00:24:48
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Is it a rock?
00:24:49
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It's a sledgehammer.
00:24:51
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Oh, fuck!
00:24:52
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It was right there!
00:24:54
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I haven't seen this one yet, but there's a movie I heard about recently that's basically just a slasher revolving around a haunted baseball diamond.
00:25:04
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Six.
00:25:05
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Apparently gets like super fucking nasty and is, yeah, goes to 11 in a lot of ways, but it's just called The Catcher.
00:25:13
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I mean, there's a great Jason kill where he kills someone by picking up a sleeping bag and slamming it against a tree.
00:25:19
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Damn.
00:25:22
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That's dope as shit.
00:25:22
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That's an awesome kill.
00:25:24
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Dude, the thing about Jason that works, and it doesn't happen in the first movie because the first movie's bad.
00:25:29
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I'm just going to go ahead and throw that out there.
00:25:31
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I think the first Friday the 13th movie is a bad movie.
00:25:33
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I agree.
00:25:34
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We might talk about it later.
00:25:35
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The sillier Jason gets as a guy who has super strength, the better the movies are.
00:25:40
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Wow.
00:25:42
Speaker
The Catcher has Martin Sheen's younger brother in it?
00:25:45
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Yeah, Joe Estevez.
00:25:46
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Joe Estevez?
00:25:47
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Yeah.
00:25:47
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Holy shit.
00:25:49
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Emilio and Charlie's uncle.
00:25:51
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And Ramon's uncle.
00:25:52
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There's also that movie that Jason Alexander was in before Seinfeld where he kills people with garden shears.
00:25:57
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That's pretty good.
00:25:58
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Dope.
00:25:59
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That sounds sick.
00:26:00
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Okay, so now I think this inspires.
00:26:04
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What are your favorite slasher weapons?
00:26:08
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I really do love the pickaxe in My Bloody Valentine.
00:26:12
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I love the drill in Slumber Party Massacre.
00:26:17
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Slumber Party Massacre?
00:26:19
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Dude, I think one of the best ones is Dennis Hopper suiting up with the chainsaw store.
00:26:25
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It was so fucking sick.
00:26:27
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Three different chainsaws.
00:26:28
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Yeah, he's got his two dual wielding ones and his big fucker.
00:26:32
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It's a perfect way to follow up the first of like, yeah, this movie fucking revolves around the chainsaw.
00:26:37
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And so our guy is just going to go into a store and test them all out.
00:26:41
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I really love the hook in Candyman.
00:26:44
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The hook in Candyman is so special.
00:26:45
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That's
In-depth Analysis of 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre'
00:26:46
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sick.
00:26:46
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And his nasty-ass, stumpy hand.
00:26:50
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I've only seen the new reboot, Candyman.
00:26:54
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The original is so good.
00:26:54
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I really do love the scream knife.
00:26:56
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It's just so threatening.
00:26:59
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It's just something you're like, that seems like it hurts.
00:27:04
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My other favorite slasher weapons are silly.
00:27:07
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I love Freddy's glove.
00:27:10
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I love...
00:27:13
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uh i mean the kitchen knife from halloween is a classic um one that's like something that's really unassuming but is really satisfying for me is when someone has like a screwdriver or something and puts her ear that's a good time i like i like the creative ones where it's just like they're using what they have on hand there's a lot of that in the pride of the 13th movies um specifically as the nightmare on elm street movies get weirder the kills get cooler uh like like again in the third one i
00:27:43
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basically Freddy's dream logic is my favorite one because it's just can be anything that you're afraid of.
00:27:51
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I mean, there's a crazy one.
00:27:53
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I don't want to spoil it because you guys are going to see it, but there's a crazy one that involves a TV.
00:27:56
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Nice.
00:27:58
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Because the girl who's in it wants to be a movie star.
00:28:01
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And so Freddy like uses that against her or whatever, but it is pretty gnarly.
00:28:06
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Yeah.
00:28:07
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They do the TV one in scream six and she really just goes like, I saw this in a movie once.
00:28:12
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Yeah, they do do that.
00:28:14
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It's just funny.
00:28:15
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There's this Kill in Black Christmas with the bag over the head and the oxygen and choking like that.
00:28:21
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I like that.
00:28:22
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What was I going to say?
00:28:26
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Oh, I know people are mixed on this movie, especially on this podcast, but Halloween 3...
00:28:30
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i love that movie me too the use of the masks um and like the magic from stonehenge that movie is fucking bananas i always have to just tell people whatever i recommend that movie okay it's technically called halloween 3 but if you're expecting michael myers to show up it's not gonna happen he's not in it it's about it's a very anti-irish movie about it's a movie about how the iris will kill you with stonehenge magic
00:28:55
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I don't... It's incredible.
00:28:58
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Austin is referencing that I don't particularly love that movie, despite the fact that the original Halloween is in my, I don't know, probably top 15 favorite movies of all time.
00:29:08
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I just find it to be boring.
00:29:11
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That's fair.
00:29:11
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I think it drags too long.
00:29:13
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It does kind of drag out.
00:29:15
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I like the actors and I think the performances are pretty good.
00:29:17
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I also just like when it's revealed that that's what's happening, that he's zapping children with Stonehenge magic that makes roaches come out of their mouths.
00:29:27
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I'm like, that's fucking sick.
00:29:29
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The roaches coming out is pretty fucking.
00:29:31
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It's really upsetting.
00:29:32
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And worms and shit.
00:29:34
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My other favorite slasher weapon is a bit of an unconventional one, and it only has one use in the movie, but it's in the original Terrifier flick where these two women are running away from Arthur Clown for this whole movie, and you've only seen him use...
00:29:50
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like either a bit like blunt weapons, like baseball bats or knives or anything from his trash bag of goodies that he pulls from.
00:30:00
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But at one point, the one of the ladies gets gets over on him, stabs him in the leg.
00:30:06
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And you're like, oh, shit.
00:30:08
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Oh, wow.
00:30:08
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She's going to get away.
00:30:10
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She's like is like looking at him on the ground as he's writhing in pain.
00:30:13
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And then he reaches into his ankle holster and shoots her with a Glock.
00:30:22
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That's really funny.
00:30:23
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It was so surprising.
00:30:25
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It just completely breaks all the rules of slasher movies.
00:30:29
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Like, okay, he's done playing.
00:30:31
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She's about to get away.
00:30:32
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He's like, okay, fuck it.
00:30:33
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I'm just going to pull out the nine.
00:30:35
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It's like Indiana Jones in Raiders.
00:30:38
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The guy does the sword fight and he's just like, boom.
00:30:40
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Which I think the story on that, and this is probably apocryphal, and you've probably heard this before, but Harrison Ford was sick that day.
00:30:46
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And they were supposed to have a big battle sequence.
00:30:49
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And he was just like, oh, he's sick.
00:30:50
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Let him shoot him.
00:30:52
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I do want to talk about the terror fire movies in context of the fact that we have already talked about how slashers are kind of infamous for being misogynist or at least perceived that way.
00:31:05
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And let me tell you, no matter what Damien Leone says,
00:31:09
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he hates women there is i don't care i don't care if if he says he doesn't i have watched both of these films and anytime a guy dies it's over in half a second and anytime a woman dies it takes 30 minutes yeah there's there is a particular scene in terrifier 2
00:31:32
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that I usually am pretty... I'm not queasy when it comes to movies.
00:31:36
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I love gore.
00:31:37
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I love it when it's nasty, gross, disgusting.
00:31:40
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There is a scene in Terrifier 2 that was legitimately stomach-churning to me, not because it was gross, because of how...
00:31:48
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rule it was.
00:31:51
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I don't want to spoil it.
00:31:52
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I literally can't spoil it because I cannot describe the acts of violence he commits against this woman.
00:31:58
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But he does rub salt in the wound literally.
00:32:01
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Tough.
00:32:05
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That is the twist of the scene You're like, oh, she's dead And he left And then she gasps Oh, maybe she's alive And then he comes running back into the room He's like the bear in the Revenant Yeah He's like, I'm not done with this motherfucker I'm not done yet
00:32:24
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Have y'all heard any of the controversy with Terrifier 3?
00:32:28
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Yeah, that it's disgusting and people are walking out.
00:32:31
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Well, about the walkouts, there's a lot of people thinking that some of the walkouts are paid actors.
00:32:38
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That's funny.
00:32:39
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I wouldn't put it past him.
00:32:41
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The only review I've heard of these movies have been good, but that's because it premiered at Fantastic Fest, which is like a huge horror sci-fi nerd fest.
00:32:50
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Yeah, and all those guys are just jacking off at women getting killed.
00:32:53
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Yeah, I mean, and I think apparently in the third movie, there is a pretty gruesome way that a guy gets killed that apparently involves a chainsaw starting at scrote.
00:33:06
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Oh, nice.
00:33:07
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It's like in Bone Tomahawk.
00:33:09
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Yes.
00:33:09
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They get split from fucking ass to cranium.
00:33:12
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That happens in Terrifier also, but that one is specifically... Like, you can't watch the first Terrifier and go, this guy's okay with women.
00:33:21
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There's just...
00:33:22
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She gets, she, it's revealed, like, the main girl gets tied to the chair and she wakes up and Art's, like, preparing things.
00:33:30
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And she's like, what's happening?
00:33:30
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What's happening?
00:33:31
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What's happening?
00:33:32
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And then he reveals his art project to her.
00:33:35
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And it's her friend strung up from her feet down, completely nude.
00:33:43
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And then he saws her in half with a table saw.
00:33:48
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And you're like, come on, man.
00:33:53
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It's like, what were you doing watching the dailies, buddy?
00:33:56
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Yeah.
00:33:57
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I'm starting to think this guy is not good.
00:33:59
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I'm sorry.
00:34:01
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But there is a scene in the second movie that I genuinely love where he basically, he like wakes up after being killed in the first movie.
00:34:07
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He wakes up and like kills the mortician in the morgue that he's at.
00:34:13
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And then he goes to a dry cleaners or he goes to a laundromat to clean his art, the clown clothes.
00:34:19
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And he's just sitting in those seat completely naked, like legs crossed over because he's very demure.
00:34:24
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He doesn't want people to see his junk.
00:34:29
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Actually, use the word demure.
00:34:30
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He's reading a newspaper and cackling, and then it reveals that what he's laughing at is that a family of four was killed in a car accident.
00:34:39
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That's a good bit.
00:34:41
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That's funny.
00:34:42
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Art the Cloud is very funny.
00:34:43
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It's just sometimes what he does to women doesn't sit right with me.
00:34:48
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Yeah.
00:34:48
Speaker
Bad news.
00:34:49
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Not good.
00:34:50
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This guy's bad news.
00:34:51
Speaker
You know who else is bad news?
00:34:54
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Fucking Leatherface.
00:34:55
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The Leatherface and the Sawyer family.
00:34:57
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You know what?
00:34:58
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I have a take.
00:35:00
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Oh, let's hear it.
00:35:02
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I'm just saying it's Texas.
00:35:05
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If you walk into someone's house in the middle of nowhere, Texas, is it really their fault that they killed you?
00:35:12
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My letterboxd review this time around was to be fair to Leatherface.
00:35:16
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All of them were trespassing.
00:35:18
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They walked in on him.
00:35:20
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Like, dog, you're on the man's property.
00:35:23
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I had three takeaways from this rewatch that I... Well, first of all, let me talk about the movie just a sec.
00:35:30
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So the events of this movie, the true story of this movie took place on my actual birthday.
00:35:36
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It was 24 years before I was born.
00:35:38
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1973, August 18th.
00:35:43
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And that's my actual birthday.
00:35:44
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So closest to my heart because of that.
00:35:46
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Amazing.
00:35:48
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and then three takeaways on this watch one again they're all trespassing so can you really blame the guy two pretty good interior decorator there's some good vibes the bone couch is the bone couch is awesome legit couch dude there's a lot of feathers would be my biggest thing imagine making out and a lot of shit yeah
00:36:10
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You, me, bone couch?
00:36:13
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What if we kissed on the bone couch?
00:36:15
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What if we gave new meaning to the phrase bone couch?
00:36:18
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If the bone couch are rocking, I'm going to kill you with a chainsaw.
00:36:24
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So I think good interior decorator.
00:36:26
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That was my second takeaway.
00:36:27
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The third takeaway was interesting to me.
00:36:29
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I left this movie saying this movie makes me like Texas more.
Themes and Atmosphere of 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre'
00:36:35
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Don't ask me why, but I was like, wow.
00:36:39
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Yeah, Bubba's, nobody does barbecue like us.
00:36:41
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Nobody does barbecue like us down at the gas station.
00:36:45
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Which is awesome.
00:36:46
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They literally take that and make it part of the second one of like, this motherfucker is feeding human chili to people.
00:36:52
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It's pretty sick.
00:36:54
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Have any of y'all seen House of a Thousand Corpses?
00:36:58
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It's been a few years, but yes.
00:37:00
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It's on my list.
00:37:00
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It is almost verbatim Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
00:37:04
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And I did not realize because I actually watched House of a Thousand Corpses first.
00:37:10
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But it is pretty insane how almost beat for beat they're the same movie.
00:37:15
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Yeah, it's fascinating.
00:37:18
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But House of a Thousand Corpses has very 2000s MTV style editing.
00:37:25
Speaker
That's Rob Zombie for you.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah, but do you slam in the back of my Dragula?
00:37:32
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Also, why?
00:37:33
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Why Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
00:37:35
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Yes, let's get into it.
00:37:36
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So...
00:37:38
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On this watch, this really confirmed it for me.
00:37:39
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I saw it in a theater this past week, which was a phenomenal experience.
00:37:43
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They re-released it for the 50th anniversary.
00:37:44
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I'd seen it twice before.
00:37:45
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I watched it each the last two years.
00:37:47
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And so this is my third time seeing it when saw it in theater.
00:37:51
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And it really confirmed for me, this is like a top 10 movie all time for me.
00:37:57
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Like, it's my favorite horror movie.
00:37:59
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I've never seen any of the sequels.
00:38:01
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That's my biggest sort of like disclaimer up top.
00:38:03
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I'm going to watch TCM2 this month.
00:38:06
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It's on my list.
00:38:07
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But I just like, I think it is...
00:38:13
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like perfect i think it's the most upsetting thing like the first time i watched it the first time leatherface comes out when the first guy goes into the house and he sort of stumbles and it looks like a mistake that he's even in the scene like in the shot i was like oh this is the most unsettling thing like the style that toby hooper shoots with the way that he's able to use these you know
00:38:40
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People you've never seen before to be so goddamn creepy and unsettling.
00:38:46
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And the fact like and the way it's able to build like the way it's able to go from like, OK, there's this creepy dude in a van.
00:38:55
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OK, then there's a killer with a chainsaw in a house.
00:39:00
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Again, trespassing, so they shouldn't be there.
00:39:02
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But and then there's a creepy like dad.
00:39:07
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And then there's a creep like a grandpa that, oh, that's just a corpse.
00:39:12
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Oh, no, that person is alive.
00:39:14
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Holy fucking shit.
00:39:15
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And he's sucking people's blood and they're trying to get him to beat her to death with a fucking hammer.
00:39:20
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Yeah.
00:39:22
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Like it never lets up for a goddamn second.
00:39:26
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And that to me is like the most special thing.
00:39:31
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I think all the performances are incredible.
00:39:33
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I think it's incredibly difficult what he's asking all these people to do.
00:39:37
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And they pull it off in spades because it's such an absurdist thing.
00:39:42
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And you actually believe like these are cannibals living in the middle of nowhere in central Texas.
00:39:48
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And like that it's it's just like the first time I watched it.
00:39:52
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And again, this time I was like, there's nothing more upsetting than this to me.
00:39:56
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Yeah.
00:39:56
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And that is so hard to do.
00:39:59
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And I one of the things you mentioned was like the first time you see Leatherface that scene, the way he like slams the door even.
00:40:05
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Yeah.
00:40:05
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Like so decisive.
00:40:07
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Yeah.
00:40:07
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Yeah.
00:40:09
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It's like, oh, he's done this before.
00:40:11
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Like, that's the other thing, too, is like you don't even have to go in the room with all the bones.
00:40:16
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You're like, as soon as he walks in that house and Leatherface comes out, it's like this is his routine.
00:40:21
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Yes.
00:40:21
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Like this.
00:40:22
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So you're given so much history just by the context that's created around you.
00:40:27
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And so that way you don't need any lore.
00:40:29
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You don't need anything, you know, and it's like and then it obviously builds later when she's at dinner with the family.
00:40:35
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But it's like, it just calls into question all these different things constantly.
00:40:39
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And it's so fucking scary.
00:40:41
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And I just, I think it's the fucking greatest.
00:40:44
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Mates in the family.
00:40:46
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Yeah, exactly.
00:40:48
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I wrote down, because I decided to take some notes, because I had been kind of cooking up this take that I, and I'd been thinking about it for a couple of months.
00:41:03
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And I and now like really feeling like especially the opening six minutes of this movie is that Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a film about how America is an evil place full of evil people and that there is so much evil that is around here.
00:41:19
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that there is evil that is capable.
00:41:21
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You were able to find evil anywhere.
00:41:25
Speaker
Those evil motherfuckers are so mean to Franklin, dude.
00:41:30
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Dude, honestly, Franklin was the only one there who wasn't getting any pussy, and he's in a wheelchair, so if he has any more fun, he just might not be able to take it.
00:41:43
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I felt so bad for him.
00:41:44
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Everybody was being so mean to him.
00:41:45
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Yeah, they're really shitty to Franklin.
00:41:48
Speaker
When she was getting chased, she just fucking pushed his wheelchair at Leatherface.
00:41:51
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Yeah, she was like, fuck you.
00:41:52
Speaker
What was he going to do?
00:41:53
Speaker
Get sod in half?
00:41:54
Speaker
Exactly.
00:41:55
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Exactly.
00:41:56
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Poor Franklin.
00:41:57
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Her own brother.
00:41:59
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The film opens on this Star Wars-like scroll of exactly what happened.
00:42:07
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And then...
00:42:08
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While the credits roll, you just hear radio broadcasts.
00:42:13
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And it starts talking about this grave robbing.
00:42:17
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And even then, it's this feeling of the local sheriff thinks that they're powers that are working that are outside the state of Texas, and that's where they're coming from.
00:42:31
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So it's entirely possible that he means immigrants, or he means people from coming from other states, or fucking Oklahomans.
00:42:38
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Couldn't even get Joe to look up when you insulted Oklahoma.
00:42:42
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Sorry, I'm trying to find a very specific piece of trivia that I wanted to read.
00:42:45
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Okay, we'll get there.
00:42:49
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But never imagining or considering that the grave robbing, that the murders, that all of this violence is coming from...
00:43:03
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12 minutes down the street that like, and that these are, you know, a thing that I find to be really powerful about Texas Chainsaw versus something like Halloween, both movies, I think are five star masterpieces, is that there is something a little mystical about Michael.
00:43:23
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he seems to be able to like just teleport whenever the fuck he needs to where it's like you think you're really far away and then he's right there whereas like you know or he's he has like this intense intense strength and the blackest eyes the devil's eyes whereas it's like this is a family that is just capable of evil yeah and like is very strong and like you know he is um
00:43:50
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depending on which sequels and prequels and things you look at, he, you know, is maybe a person with a learning disability, you know, not explicitly stated in the first film, but like, it really is so upsetting just to be like,
00:44:07
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Oh, like they are, they're like half an hour outside of Childers.
00:44:12
Speaker
Childers is four hours from Waco.
00:44:14
Speaker
These guys are like three and a half hours from where I live right now.
00:44:17
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Just murdering people and turning them into a really good barbecue.
00:44:21
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Yeah.
00:44:21
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People love it.
00:44:22
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People love that barbecue.
00:44:23
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People eat that shit up.
00:44:24
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They love it.
00:44:25
Speaker
They love it.
00:44:26
Speaker
I think for me too, it's like, um,
00:44:29
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Like you look at it for me this time.
Impact and Filmmaking of 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre'
00:44:32
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I don't know if this is true for y'all because I couldn't remember having only watched it at home, but seeing it in a theater, the sound design was unbelievable, particularly at the very end when he's when Leatherface is waving the chainsaw on the street.
00:44:48
Speaker
It was so fucking loud in my theater.
00:44:51
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like it hurt my ears like and the rest of the movie was like very well dialed and they would get loud and it would get upsetting but like that was like is there a fucking 18 wheeler driving into my theater like it sounded insane and i was like that's so smart with this because it's also just so scary to hear these fucking psychos
00:45:14
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That whole sequence is so amazing.
00:45:17
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It's incredible.
00:45:18
Speaker
It's beautiful, which is weird to say.
00:45:20
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No, it looks incredible.
00:45:22
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It's one of my favorite scenes of all time.
00:45:24
Speaker
It's almost like you're watching fucking Leatherface in his naivety.
00:45:30
Speaker
It's like watching a kid playing in a sprinkler on set as he's fucking waving around this chainsaw.
00:45:36
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Or like throwing a fit, like a five-year-old just being like, oh, but I wanted to go to the fucking playground.
00:45:42
Speaker
You know, they wouldn't say fucking, but hopefully.
00:45:45
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Not the five-year-old you know.
00:45:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:48
Speaker
Not my nephew.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah, it really is.
00:45:52
Speaker
Like, he is just... And they both are.
00:45:54
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Like, his brother is the same way.
00:45:56
Speaker
Like, he's a lot creepier.
00:45:58
Speaker
But it's also, like, this person has no intellect.
00:46:02
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Like, at all.
00:46:04
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And so that is also... Like, there's something...
00:46:10
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frightening about that because of its unpredictability when they're all together and then they just have this like ringleader who is this like old fucking psycho who you know if you live in texas you know 15 guys that are kind of like that that are old and just wear like tan like all beige all the time and you're just like yeah i don't know what you do when you go home i'm so excited probably reminiscing about uh owning slaves
00:46:37
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Yeah, I'm very excited to watch the second one.
00:46:41
Speaker
It's so tonally different.
00:46:43
Speaker
It's tonally different, but it definitely feels like a sequel.
00:46:46
Speaker
It doesn't feel like a complete departure.
00:46:48
Speaker
It feels like at some point Christopher Guest got involved or something.
00:46:54
Speaker
They just let the cannibals have more personality, which in turn makes the movie sillier because they are kind of silly.
00:47:02
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Bad guy character development for sure.
00:47:04
Speaker
There are two pieces of trivia that I wanted to read that I read while I was watching the movie this time.
00:47:09
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Let it rip, baby.
00:47:11
Speaker
The worst part of all with the climactic dinner scene was the 110 degree Texas heat.
00:47:17
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It was a heat wave.
00:47:18
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Plus the filming lights that were also very hot back then meant all the food on the table quickly rotted.
00:47:26
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And the room's poor ventilation made them reek even worse, raising it to genuinely health-threatening levels.
00:47:32
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They filmed for 27 straight hours.
00:47:36
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which led to several of the actors suffering genuine sanity slippage and taking Tobey Hooper's directions as almost literally.
00:47:45
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The DVD commentary has Gunnar Hansen, who plays Leatherface, eerily recounting how he genuinely wanted to kill Marilyn Burns for a few seconds after being ordered to by his brother.
00:47:57
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Edwin Neal, who played the hitchhiker, said that the making of the film was more miserable than his service in Vietnam and said that he might kill director Tobey Hooper if he ever saw him again.
00:48:07
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Which is why he does not play the same character in the sequel.
00:48:13
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That is wild.
00:48:14
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And then the other piece of trivia, which is a lot different, but just as interesting to me is...
00:48:21
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The film's original distributor was Brianston Distribution Company, which turned out to be a mafia front operated by Louis Periano, or Butchie, who used the movie to launder profits he made from Deep Throat, the porno flick.
00:48:37
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In return, the production received only enough money to reimburse the investors and pay the cast and crew $405 a piece.
00:48:42
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That's pretty great.
00:48:49
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Yeah, and so then New Line Cinema, which obtained the rights to the film from the now bankrupt Bryanston, paid off the cast and crew as part of the purchase agreement.
00:48:57
Speaker
So they finally got their actual payment for being in the movie because the mafia needed to launder money.
00:49:06
Speaker
Damn.
00:49:06
Speaker
That's crazy.
00:49:08
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That is wild.
00:49:08
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Interesting stuff.
00:49:10
Speaker
Speaking of lighting, there is a nerdy thing I want to talk about from the lighting of the first one.
00:49:15
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The night scenes...
00:49:17
Speaker
Definitely use a black light of some sort that I don't always see them using like night shots.
00:49:24
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Yeah.
00:49:25
Speaker
And I can't tell exactly what they're doing because there's obviously natural lighting, but in the black light, it's still making the colors do something crazy.
00:49:33
Speaker
I don't know exactly what they're doing, but it's really fascinating and makes that sequence pop like,
00:49:39
Speaker
A lot of even brand new stuff filmed with like super high end low light cameras don't do.
00:49:46
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Well, it's because the people these days use those low light cameras as an excuse to not light scenes.
00:49:52
Speaker
Or shooting day for night.
00:49:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:54
Speaker
And the only person who has shot day for night in a cool way since is Jordan Peele.
00:49:59
Speaker
Jordan Peele, yeah.
00:50:00
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Yeah.
00:50:01
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Yep, yep.
00:50:02
Speaker
100% agree.
00:50:02
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Because he's not being lazy.
00:50:05
Speaker
The thing with low-light cameras is that people will be like, yeah, the movie's supposed to be dark, dumbass.
00:50:09
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I'm like, no, it's not.
00:50:10
Speaker
You're supposed to be able to see what's happening.
00:50:11
Speaker
Yeah, you're a fucking idiot.
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah, no.
00:50:14
Speaker
There needs to be more fun decisions like that because it doesn't work...
00:50:19
Speaker
well or better because you can see things
Horror Movie Recommendations and Anecdotes
00:50:22
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more clearly.
00:50:22
Speaker
It works because there's something disheartening about seeing like a glow in the dark speck running through like indecipherable trees and woods.
00:50:32
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You can't see anything else.
00:50:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:34
Speaker
I just liked it.
00:50:35
Speaker
Thought it was cool.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:37
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It's incredible.
00:50:38
Speaker
It's really beautiful.
00:50:39
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And, you know, there's the, the really famous shot, uh,
00:50:44
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shooting under kind of camera the actress, it's not Marilyn Burns, it's the other girl.
00:50:51
Speaker
like basically shooting up at her butt as she's walking into the swing.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:57
Speaker
The swing shot.
00:50:58
Speaker
Well, I think something I had forgotten is that's not the first time in the film that they also do a shot shot from that angle.
00:51:05
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I think it's like, it's shot really economically in a lot of ways.
00:51:09
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Like there's a lot of stuff where there's like little tricks and little things they do.
00:51:12
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Like a funny thing that happens is, is that when Marilyn Burns gets into the back of the truck and then it cuts to Leatherface swinging, uh,
00:51:18
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the chainsaw is it's like very clearly like probably an hour and a half later because it's so much more orangey.
00:51:28
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Yeah, it's very strange.
00:51:29
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It's like so much more orangey and almost golden hour.
00:51:31
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It adds to the feeling of it though.
00:51:32
Speaker
But it adds a hundred percent.
00:51:34
Speaker
And I think like
00:51:36
Speaker
it adds to that feeling of it's, it feels almost balletic to a degree dreamlike.
00:51:42
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But to me, it adds to the feeling too of like, again, this person will never be divorced from this feeling.
00:51:47
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They'll never escape this.
00:51:49
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It doesn't matter if it's day or night, doesn't matter where they go.
00:51:53
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This will haunt them for the rest of their days.
00:51:56
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I do have, Joe, your trivia inspired me to look something up.
00:52:00
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Andrew Brynjarski, who's an actor who later played Leatherface in, I think, like the McConaughey Texas Chainsaw.
00:52:08
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After Gunnar Hansen, the original Leatherface, died, he posted a...
00:52:14
Speaker
a post on Facebook.
00:52:16
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Uh, somebody asked him for his response to his dad, his death.
00:52:19
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And he said, boo hoo, suck his dead nuts, um, to Gunnar Hansen's death.
00:52:24
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And then later somebody interrogated him.
00:52:26
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And he said this, I was a big supporter of his and was cool with him.
00:52:30
Speaker
He was cool with me.
00:52:31
Speaker
Then he started going around to promote chainsaw 3d and he started talking shit at cons and whatnot.
00:52:37
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I'm not somebody who takes shit from anybody.
00:52:38
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And I tell it like it is.
00:52:40
Speaker
Um,
00:52:42
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I never wish for his death or suffering from pancreatic cancer, which I didn't even know he had.
00:52:46
Speaker
Let's make that a bigger issue upon his sudden death.
00:52:49
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Cancer sucks worse than haters.
00:52:50
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Y'all have a nice day.
00:52:52
Speaker
Holy fucking shit.
00:52:53
Speaker
Cancer sucks worse than haters.
00:52:57
Speaker
Put that on a t-shirt.
00:52:58
Speaker
It's a bar.
00:52:59
Speaker
It's a bar.
00:53:00
Speaker
Wow.
00:53:01
Speaker
I love it when people are haters, man.
00:53:04
Speaker
Dude, he went off.
00:53:06
Speaker
It was crazy.
00:53:07
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We should all just like every Instagram post we make going forward, the caption just should just be cancer.
00:53:13
Speaker
And then every other post, I'll just put boohoo, suck his dead nuts.
00:53:24
Speaker
One of my other favorite shots from Texas Chainsaw is the scene where he's
00:53:31
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I think it's, I actually don't remember which actress this was, but there's one where someone runs up the stairs, can't get anywhere, and decides to run back down the stairs.
00:53:41
Speaker
Oh, it's because she sees Grandpa, so she decides to run back down the stairs.
00:53:45
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And then when she gets to the bottom of the stairs, Leatherface opens the door and sees her and jumps a little bit like he was scared to see her.
00:53:51
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No.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's great.
00:53:54
Speaker
I mean, again, he's so childish.
00:53:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing that I think we touched on this.
00:53:58
Speaker
But the reason why everyone is so scary is because it's like, oh, what if you were at like a house with like four six year olds and all of them were violently angry at you and had weapons and they all weighed 300 pounds.
00:54:11
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It's like, well, what the fuck?
00:54:13
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Like, this is so scary.
00:54:15
Speaker
It's so good.
00:54:16
Speaker
I love it so much.
00:54:17
Speaker
Speaking of Texas Chainsaw, I do want to mention another film that everyone should watch if you haven't, where the tagline is, you don't have to go to Texas to see a chainsaw massacre.
00:54:28
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The film is called Pieces.
00:54:31
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I want you to imagine a film like Texas Chainsaw Massacre about an emotionally stunted man killing people with a chainsaw.
00:54:42
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But now imagine if it was written in English by three foreigners who don't speak it.
00:54:50
Speaker
And then I want you to imagine that the director is really good friends with a Bruce Lee impersonator named Bruce Lee spelled L-E.
00:55:01
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And I want you to imagine that for one scene, he allows his Bruce Lee impersonator friend to be in the film and never explains it for one second.
00:55:11
Speaker
He's in it for one scene and then leaves.
00:55:15
Speaker
That sounds really fun.
00:55:16
Speaker
And it's a wonderful movie.
00:55:19
Speaker
Great kills, fantastic music.
00:55:22
Speaker
It makes no sense.
00:55:24
Speaker
And it's very horny.
00:55:27
Speaker
Love it.
00:55:29
Speaker
There's got to be a horror movie out there where there's like a Bruce Lee type bad guy that just karate chops people but his hands are blades.
00:55:38
Speaker
Yo, dude.
00:55:39
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That'd be sick.
00:55:40
Speaker
That's out there.
00:55:41
Speaker
Write that on spec.
00:55:42
Speaker
I think that's the first Paddington Gone Wild movie.
00:55:45
Speaker
That's the first PGW production.
00:55:47
Speaker
Speaking of great taglines, it's called Haya.
00:55:53
Speaker
But it's just Haya.
00:55:54
Speaker
He says Haya every time he sees them and then he...
00:55:58
Speaker
But I had never, having not seen Nightmare on Elm Street, I never knew the tagline of Nightmare on Elm Street.
00:56:03
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If Nancy doesn't wake up screaming, she won't wake up at all.
00:56:07
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One of the best ever.
00:56:09
Speaker
We've lost the art of the tagline.
00:56:11
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Yeah, it's ridiculous now.
00:56:12
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We had In Space No One Can Hear You Scream, which is... Yeah, that's a good one.
00:56:15
Speaker
I mean, hey, Alien's basically a slasher movie, huh?
00:56:18
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Yeah, kind of.
00:56:20
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Yeah.
00:56:20
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Yeah.
00:56:21
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It's more of a monster movie, but it's kind of a slasher.
00:56:24
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But if the alien was a guy in a mask, it would be a slasher movie.
00:56:28
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Sure.
00:56:29
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Oh, 100%.
00:56:29
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That's fair.
00:56:29
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If we're doing Rex, quickly, Kim Henkel, who's the co-writer on Texas Chainsaw Massacre, did not write many movies, but another movie that he wrote is called Last Night at the Alamo.
00:56:41
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um it's by a texas filmmaker named eagle panel very crazy weird career he was like a super low budget independent filmmaker um who eventually was homeless and died of alcoholism not to put too fine a point on it but he uh i i only watched this movie because richard linklater talked about in an interview one time it was a huge inspiration on slacker
00:57:05
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He saw it at like some random little theater in Houston.
00:57:08
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They shot it in Houston.
00:57:09
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And it's just about like this bar is about to close down in Houston.
00:57:13
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And it's about all these drunks who go there and it's their last time that they're going to get to enjoy it.
00:57:19
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And it's phenomenal.
00:57:20
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It's like so heartfelt and small and beautiful.
00:57:23
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I think there's no way to like stream it other than AMC Plus.
00:57:28
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I think like it's not rentable.
00:57:31
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I currently have a subscription for that for seven days.
00:57:35
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Oh, beautiful.
00:57:35
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You should totally watch it.
00:57:38
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It's fantastic.
00:57:39
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It's super weird.
00:57:40
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Shot in black and white on like some 16, some super eight.
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00:57:45
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But yeah, it's one of like Kim Hinkle's only other credits.
00:57:47
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And I was thinking about it after I watched Texas Chainsaw.
00:57:49
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And I was like, why am I thinking about that movie again?
00:57:53
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And then I looked it up and I was like, oh, okay.
00:57:55
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Same writer.
00:57:56
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That makes so much sense.
00:57:57
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A person who just understands Texas.
00:58:01
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One of the reasons I mentioned this in our group text, one of the reasons why I think the Texas Chainsaw 2 first act sucks so bad, and I know Red does not agree with me, and that's fair.
00:58:12
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I did not like it.
00:58:13
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I thought the first act was very boring.
00:58:15
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Defend yourself.
00:58:15
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So...
00:58:19
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The original idea for Texas Chainsaw 2 was going to be written by Hooper and Hinkle.
00:58:25
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They wrote this movie where it was an entire... They had this idea where the entire town was cannibals instead of it just being one house.
00:58:33
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So they were going to go straight... They were always going to go gonzo, like evil dead, dark comedy with it.
00:58:39
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That was always the plan.
00:58:41
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But the studio intervened and said, that's too weird.
00:58:48
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And brought in another writer to remake the script.
00:58:53
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And so every time I watch the first act of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, all I can think is this reeks of studio intervention.
00:59:02
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Oh, you want the other movie.
00:59:03
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So it destroys your...
00:59:06
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But I love the second and third acts.
00:59:08
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I just think that the intro is so unnecessary.
00:59:12
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There's some cool shit in it.
00:59:13
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I love the Dennis Hopper introduction.
00:59:19
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He plays this badass Texas Ranger who's too old and nobody respects him, but he's the number one for the job.
00:59:27
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And then I love the character of the radio DJ.
00:59:29
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She's a perfect horror movie protagonist.
00:59:33
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But then it just takes 30 minutes to set up what basically is one final scene that just takes a long time at a cannibal amusement park.
00:59:46
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Yeah, which I saw that on the trailer.
00:59:47
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Amusement park is so Texan, too.
00:59:49
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It's literally like a Texas history tour.
00:59:52
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Yeah.
00:59:53
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I just can really tell that Toby Hooper only wanted the movie here.
00:59:59
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It's what the whole movie leads up to, and I just think if he had been given an hour and a half to play in the amusement park instead of having to spend 30 minutes setting shit up, we would have had a better movie.
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I don't know if I disagree with that.
01:00:13
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I think that's fair.
01:00:15
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I think it's fair.
01:00:15
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I enjoyed it, though.
01:00:16
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Yeah, I really enjoyed the movie.
01:00:18
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I think The Kill on the Highway is awesome in Act 1.
01:00:20
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The Kill on the Highway is incredible.
01:00:23
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I like when they break into the radio station.
01:00:27
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Yes.
01:00:27
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That's really cool.
01:00:28
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I think it's like the first time that you're really like, oh, this is like, this is going to be funny and silly and weird.
01:00:35
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And they give formerly Edwin Neal's character a name finally.
01:00:40
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And it's a funny name.
01:00:41
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Chop Top.
01:00:43
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The hitchhiker?
01:00:44
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I don't know if it's the same.
01:00:45
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They never confirmed it's the same guy because he doesn't look the same.
01:00:50
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He has the birthmark on his face still.
01:00:53
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I mean, I guess.
01:00:55
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I don't think it matters.
01:00:56
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Yeah, I think it's the same dude because the birthmark seems like an odd choice to go out of your way to paint makeup on.
01:01:02
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I do think that it is a jab at Edwin Neal, though, because the character is obviously a Vietnam vet.
01:01:10
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That's funny.
01:01:12
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I mean, the interesting, another like great sort of trope of a lot of these movies is the hitchhiker.
01:01:18
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Like hitchhikers play a big part in a lot of horror movies because why the fuck would you ever pick somebody up on the side of the highway?
01:01:26
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Yeah.
01:01:27
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Yeah.
01:01:27
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I actually, I actually heard this really cool interview with a guy who it was on this podcast called other world.
01:01:33
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Great pod.
01:01:34
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If you're looking for something kind of spooky, supernatural to listen to, uh, narrated, uh, by this guy, Jack, uh, Anton off Arlo.
01:01:44
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It's actually both of them combined.
01:01:47
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It's Jack Harlantonoff?
01:01:49
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Yeah, Jack Harlantonoff.
01:01:50
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Could you think of a more annoying white man?
01:01:52
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No.
01:01:55
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Jack Black?
01:01:56
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No, he's not that annoying.
01:01:57
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He just kind of sucks new.
01:01:59
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The story this guy was telling is about how he experienced something very creepy and paranormal as a drifter.
01:02:08
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And it's basically... I won't get too far into it, but basically he said that the most dangerous thing about hitchhiking is being the hitchhiker.
01:02:17
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He's like, I know more people...
01:02:22
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that have gotten killed by being picked up on the highway than I've heard stories of people being killed by people they picked up.
01:02:32
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That's fair.
01:02:33
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I mean, in horror movies, it goes both ways.
01:02:35
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Yeah.
01:02:36
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He's like, the danger of hitchhiking is who you're going to get picked up by because it could be a trucker that's going to drug you.
01:02:44
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Yeah, and it could be just like a random crazy guy.
01:02:48
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Like the fucking Ted Bundy used to pick up hitchhikers.
01:02:51
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Yeah.
01:02:51
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Have you ever seen a ghost?
01:02:53
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Will you send me that link?
01:02:56
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Because I'm pretty interested.
01:02:59
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Have you ever seen a ghost in real life?
01:03:01
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Oh, I was like... No, I'm asking if you've ever seen a ghost.
01:03:05
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Because I had this conversation with Clarissa last night.
01:03:07
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Because she never has, but I have.
01:03:08
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No, but I feel like I've had paranormal experiences.
01:03:11
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I also feel the same.
01:03:14
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I one time was a house sitting for a friend here in Waco and they have this really creepy old house on Colcourt.
01:03:20
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Beautiful house, like Tudor style.
01:03:22
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It's always the pretty houses that are haunted.
01:03:24
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Oh my gosh.
01:03:24
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But like gorgeous.
01:03:25
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And so just before I was supposed to go stay over there, the ceiling in their guest room caved in.
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So I couldn't sleep in the guest room.
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I had to sleep in their room.
01:03:36
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My friends Mal and Will.
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And so I'm sleeping in their room.
01:03:41
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It's the first time I've been in this house like overnight.
01:03:43
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I've been there to like meet the dogs and everything.
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And I like heard something in the middle of the night.
01:03:51
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I was asleep.
01:03:52
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It woke me up.
01:03:53
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I looked up.
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They have a chandelier hanging.
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And I saw a head hanging on a string from the chandelier.
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And then I blinked and it was gone.
01:04:01
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Wow.
01:04:02
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And I told that story to the woman who owned the house and they left Waco six months later.
01:04:06
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Jesus.
01:04:07
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They were like, we're out of here.
01:04:09
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Yeah, I don't know.
01:04:10
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They never saw anything though.
01:04:11
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My parents and I had a moment that scared the shit out of us when we were walking back to the car from an Elton John concert.
01:04:18
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Oh, okay.
01:04:19
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The concert was in October.
01:04:20
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It was close to Halloween.
01:04:21
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Nice.
01:04:22
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No, it was Halloween night.
01:04:23
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The concert was on Halloween.
01:04:26
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And we're walking back to the car.
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And it's in a fairly historic area of San Antonio.
01:04:31
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So there's like a mix of like dilapidated houses and like renovated super nice ones.
01:04:35
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This one was on the more rundown side, but it was like decked out to the brim with Halloween stuff, but not like party city Halloween stuff, like very thoughtful, well-crafted kind of legitimately scary stuff.
01:04:49
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Like,
01:04:49
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There was like a milk truck from the 1850s that had like children's handprints on it and stuff like fucking weird
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scene.
01:04:57
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Anyway, we see shadows like through the windows and stuff and are kind of like just looking at the house, checking out.
01:05:03
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They're like, damn, they really put a lot of work into this.
01:05:05
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Turn the corner and there's like a side door that goes into the kitchen or something.
01:05:09
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And there's like a large man in coveralls like staring out at the window.
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And we kind of jump up a little bit.
01:05:16
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And then we look closer and we're like, is that a cardboard cutout?
01:05:18
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Oh, that's just a cardboard cutout.
01:05:20
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And then his hand goes up and knocks on the door.
01:05:23
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We're like, oh, not a cardboard cutout.
01:05:26
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All three of us, we started putting like... We started jogging back to the cardboard.
01:05:32
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No, no, no.
01:05:32
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Getting the fuck out of here.
01:05:34
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The scariest thing that ever happened to me was I was driving back from a shift at a coffee shop in...
01:05:44
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I can't remember.
01:05:44
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I think I was working at Panera at the time.
01:05:47
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So I guess the coffee shop was Panera.
01:05:49
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I was working at Panera.
01:05:51
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Worst job I ever had, by the way.
01:05:53
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I fucking hate Panera bread.
01:05:54
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I love broccoli cheddar soup and I'll never recant.
01:05:58
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Never apologize for that.
01:05:59
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They fucking, the company sucks and I hate the management.
01:06:03
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Um, but I was going back from a closing shift.
01:06:06
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My parents lived kind of the drive to get to my parents' place was kind of through the middle of nowhere.
01:06:12
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Um, and there's a long stretch of no, no street lights, just completely dark.
01:06:17
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Uh, only my car headlights are the only thing that was illuminating the road.
01:06:22
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I'm driving down the street.
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It's late.
01:06:24
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I'm pretty tired.
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Cause that was a, it was an awful shift.
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Um, and I am driving and I swear, I swear on my life.
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that I saw a very ethereal looking, like very pale, like moonlight lit woman in a very flowy white dress, kind of like just like walking down the side of the highway.
01:06:49
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And I...
01:06:51
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I like saw it and then like I looked in my rearview mirror and nothing.
01:06:55
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So I don't know what that was.
01:06:57
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Seems pretty benign.
01:06:58
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I'm kind of of the feeling that most spirits that we encounter, if we, if, you know, I don't know, I maybe believe in this.
01:07:05
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I don't know.
01:07:05
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But I feel like most spirits we encounter are kind of benign.
01:07:09
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Like, like bees.
01:07:11
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Like maybe if you mess with them, they're going to fuck with you.
01:07:13
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Like Beetlejuice.
01:07:14
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Yeah.
01:07:16
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When I saw that ghost, I wasn't scared.
01:07:18
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I like went back to sleep.
01:07:19
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I was like, oh, that was weird.
01:07:21
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It was kind of a crazy experience, but it didn't feel like it was coming after me.
01:07:26
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It wasn't like my head floating there.
01:07:28
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Yeah, but I'm not going to get in your space.
01:07:31
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Yeah, exactly.
01:07:31
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It's like, I'm not going to fuck with you if you're here.
01:07:33
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I'm going to keep this house clean and these dogs fed, and that way you won't fuck with me.
01:07:38
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Have y'all ever taken advantage of our horror movie situation to fuck with other people?
01:07:43
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No, because it's so new.
01:07:44
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I really thought you were going to say you were taking advantage of a horror movie to fuck someone, and I was like... That too.
01:07:48
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I mean, yeah.
01:07:49
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Has everyone invited somebody over to watch a horror movie?
01:07:51
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For sure.
01:07:52
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Get all snugly close.
01:07:54
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We tried to do that with Adam.
01:07:56
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We tried to have him.
01:07:58
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Yeah.
01:07:58
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Several times, actually.
01:07:59
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No, we had a movie night where we invited this girl that Adam had a crush on.
01:08:04
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And through no fault of our own, the night got derailed because our roommate, our suite mate at the time,
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was like, oh, are we having a movie night?
01:08:16
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Can I come?
01:08:17
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We're like, yeah, sure, whatever.
01:08:18
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He's like, oh, I have this video I want to show you all before we start the movie.
01:08:21
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And he played, and I'm not kidding, a full fucking 30-minute Markiplier Let's Play of a Five Nights at Freddy's game.
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LAUGHTER
01:08:29
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And I was like, there is no pussy getting happening tonight.
01:08:33
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Yeah, nobody's, nobody.
01:08:35
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Nothing, nothing that dries up a woman more than Markiplier.
01:08:39
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Markiplier, dude.
01:08:40
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I truly, Joe, I did not, I did not think.
01:08:46
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That was what you were going to say.
01:08:48
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That might be one of the most egregious, awful, terrible forms of cock blocking I've ever heard.
01:08:55
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Yeah, dude.
01:08:57
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Your sweet man was put on this earth to cock block people.
01:09:01
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That's his whole purpose on this planet.
01:09:03
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I won't say his name, but I will say he was in band.
01:09:07
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Well, boys, are there any other Texas Chainsaw thoughts?
01:09:11
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Any other...
01:09:12
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Slasher thoughts.
01:09:14
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I do.
01:09:14
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I want to recommend another slasher that I feel like is underseen.
01:09:19
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Um, you please, um, please watch blood rage.
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If you haven't, this is a wonderful film.
01:09:25
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The premise of this film is that sometime in, uh, like these two young boys are sleeping in the back of their mom's car during a drive-in movie.
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The mom is on a date with her new boyfriend and,
01:09:42
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And they are, they're kissing.
01:09:44
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They kind of start to kiss.
01:09:45
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She's like, no, no, the boys are in the back.
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And the guy's like, they're asleep.
01:09:48
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You're not going to wake up.
01:09:49
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It's fine.
01:09:50
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So they start making out.
01:09:51
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The boys wake up.
01:09:52
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They're grossed out by their mom making out with her new boyfriend.
01:09:56
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I've seen there's a character named Pimpin Holloway.
01:09:58
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That's all you really needed to say.
01:10:01
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But then the two boys get out of the car.
01:10:03
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One of the boys kills another moviegoer at the drive-in with a big knife and then hands the knife to his twin brother, puts blood on his face, and then blames him for it.
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And so his brother goes to the psych ward.
01:10:24
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And now the killer is free, the brother is in the psych ward, and then we cut to like 20 years later.
01:10:31
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Oh, yeah.
01:10:33
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Great premise, amazing music.
01:10:37
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I don't know.
01:10:38
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It's just one of those slashers that I'm like, how is this not one of the ones that everyone talks about?
01:10:42
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What is this called, Joe?
01:10:43
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I'm sorry.
01:10:44
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It's called Blood Rage.
01:10:45
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Okay, cool.
01:10:46
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Arrow Video released it.
01:10:48
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Okay, nice.
01:10:50
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Only 78 minutes.
01:10:51
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That's cool.
01:10:51
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Yeah, it's got a good restoration.
01:10:55
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You do have to watch the Arrow Video release because the original release was censored.
01:11:01
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There's a lot of gore taken out and a lot of and there's a couple of pretty hot seat at sea scenes that got taken.
01:11:09
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Yes, sir.
01:11:11
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Yeah, very sexy.
01:11:12
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It started very dead.
01:11:14
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Titty.
01:11:15
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But I want to be I want to be like Glenn Powell and Hitman when he says all pies.
01:11:19
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Goodbye.
01:11:19
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I'm just like all tit is good tip.
01:11:22
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The other subtitle or the other title for Blood Rage because it's been released several times because of censorship is Nightmare at Shadow Woods.
01:11:28
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So if you can't find it under Blood Rage, you can find it under Nightmare at Shadow Woods.
01:11:32
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Hell yeah.
01:11:33
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Okay.
01:11:34
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Great rec.
01:11:35
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Does anyone else have any recs they want to drop in?
01:11:38
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I think that Strange Darling is able to be streamed somewhere now.
01:11:43
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I want to say maybe a rental on Apple Video or something.
01:11:47
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But an awesome movie that was a little hard to see when it came out.
01:11:52
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Yeah, it didn't play a ton of places.
01:11:55
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I will say a movie that I watched for the first time this past week that I really liked.
01:12:00
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It's not going to come up with my high and low, but I did really like it is Richard Attenborough's Magic, which stars Anthony Hopkins and...
01:12:11
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the guy from fucking Burgess Meredith from the Rocky movies and Anne Margaret, very, very sexy Anne Margaret.
01:12:20
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And it's about a guy who's a comedian or not a comedian.
01:12:22
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He's a magician, but he, his shtick is he has a puppet that helps him do his magic.
01:12:28
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And that's how he kind of makes it big.
01:12:30
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And it's just about like,
01:12:31
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a descent into madness that fame causes.
01:12:34
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Um, and there's a lot of cool puppet kills and shit.
01:12:39
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Um, and this movie written by William Goldman based on his novel.
01:12:44
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Um, so William Goldman wrote this book, adapted it for the screen, Richard Attenborough, very, very good young Anthony Hopkins.
01:12:50
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And he does an incredibly good, creepy puppet voice.
01:12:54
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Um, the puppets called fats, um,
01:12:58
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And it's great.
01:12:59
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It's just a lot of fun.
01:13:00
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So that's a fun kind of less seen horror movie that I would recommend.
01:13:04
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Nice.
01:13:05
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Hell yeah.
01:13:09
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This is funny.
01:13:09
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My recommendation would be everyone should give the Rob Zombie Halloween films a watch.
01:13:18
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I think they're great.
01:13:19
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I genuinely think they're not perfect.
01:13:21
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I think Halloween, I think...
01:13:24
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The second Rob Zombie Halloween is my second favorite of all the movies.
01:13:28
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I actually think Rob Zombie is a good director.
01:13:32
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I just think that he has style, like a style thing.
01:13:36
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Like we were talking about for Megalopolis.
01:13:37
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He has a style that is difficult to get on the wavelength of.
01:13:42
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Specifically his earlier stuff.
01:13:44
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And it's all kind of weird and like almost funny.
01:13:48
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It's hard to, it's hard to kind of categorize Rob Zombie films, but he's certainly is one of the, one of the directors who has the most recognizable voice.
01:13:57
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Yeah.
01:13:58
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His Halloween films,
01:14:01
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are really fucking mean.
01:14:02
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Like, they're nasty, mean.
01:14:07
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Like, they're technically slashers, but it's like, they're like feel-bad movies.
01:14:13
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Like, kind of, like, ruin your evening.
01:14:15
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But I love them.
01:14:16
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I'm a huge defender.
01:14:18
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So...
01:14:19
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That's that.
01:14:22
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If nobody else is in here.
01:14:23
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Zach, do you have a rec?
01:14:25
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Yeah.
01:14:25
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Strange.
01:14:26
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Oh, you said you said strange.
01:14:27
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Yeah.
01:14:27
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Yeah, dude.
01:14:28
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Yeah.
01:14:28
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Listen to me.
01:14:29
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Yeah.
01:14:30
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Fuck.
01:14:30
Speaker
Fuck.
01:14:30
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I'm sorry.
01:14:31
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If you want to add an easier to watch movie, it's what's inside what I mentioned earlier.
01:14:35
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Just a fun.
01:14:36
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It's just like sometimes you need a five star, three star movie.
01:14:40
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And this is one of you watch that.
01:14:42
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Good call.
01:14:42
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Netflix.
01:14:43
Speaker
It's a Netflix original, right?
01:14:44
Speaker
Netflix.
01:14:45
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Okay, the flicks.
01:14:47
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Sometimes they put out a good original.
01:14:49
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You never know when it's going to happen.
01:14:51
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You know what?
01:14:51
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You can tell a Netflix original is going to be good if they didn't advertise it at all.
01:14:56
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They did not advertise this one at all.
01:14:58
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Yeah, that is a good rule of thumb.
Humor and Rap Jokes on Other Podcasts
01:15:02
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I was listening to the Lonely Island Seth Meyers podcast that I referenced before on the show.
01:15:06
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And they were talking about they had a joke in one of their in the Natalie rap, one of their early sketches, Natalie Portman rapping, where she says she says something about Jeff Zucker, who was the head of NBC at the time.
01:15:20
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And
01:15:22
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You would never guess what she rhymes it with.
01:15:25
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But they asked him to like.
01:15:29
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Yeah, exactly.
01:15:30
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They asked Andy Samberg to like do a rap based on Ted Sarandos his name.
01:15:34
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And he just said the rhyme was like go to bed with a bunch of randos.
01:15:40
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Nice.
01:15:40
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And I thought that was funny.
01:15:42
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There you go.
Joking about Low Budget Netflix Slasher Movies
01:15:43
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Teddy, give us some money.
01:15:45
Speaker
Let PGW make some flicks.
01:15:48
Speaker
Give us our own arm.
01:15:54
Speaker
We'll make slasher movies for like $10,000 each.
01:15:56
Speaker
Oh, easily.
01:15:58
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We will promise you a profit.
01:16:00
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It might not be huge, but it'll be a profit.
Akira Kurosawa High and Low Segment
01:16:02
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The Heart of Texas Fair is going on right now.
01:16:04
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I'll go film a slasher in the next five days at the Heart of Texas Fair.
01:16:08
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Yeah.
01:16:10
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It'll be great.
01:16:11
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Well, folks, now it is time for everyone's favorite segment of PGW.
01:16:17
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It is the Akira Kurosawa High and Low, of which each member of our wonderful show will talk about the best and worst media they consumed that week.
01:16:26
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And then we'll popcorn and we'll go to someone else.
01:16:30
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And this week, I want to hear from Zach first.
01:16:33
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All right.
Zach's Highs and Lows: Scream 6 and SNL
01:16:34
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I think my low, and I still enjoyed it.
01:16:37
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I think there's some really cool shots in it, but Scream 6 probably is the worst of that franchise.
01:16:44
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Mentioned that earlier.
01:16:45
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But at the same time, there's a subway scene in that movie that's really fun to watch.
01:16:51
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Really cool stuff.
01:16:52
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It's really good.
01:16:54
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So still some fun to have, and I think it's worth watching.
01:16:56
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But the plot of it is kind of all over the place.
01:17:01
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That being said, honorable mention to last night's episode of SNL.
01:17:06
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I think SNL might be back.
01:17:08
Speaker
That was the Bargatze episode, right?
01:17:09
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There's some pockets of it that have nothing to do with Nate Bargatze that are also awesome.
01:17:15
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But he did a Washington's Dream 2.
01:17:17
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Yeah.
01:17:17
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And it was fucking hilarious.
01:17:19
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Amazing stuff.
01:17:19
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I have to watch that.
01:17:20
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That was good.
01:17:22
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The dead body on the water slide is fucking gold.
01:17:26
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Hell yeah.
01:17:29
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And then there's a new cast member who does a song on Weekend Update.
01:17:32
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Jane Wickline.
01:17:33
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Very funny.
01:17:34
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Jane Wickline does a song and it's like fucking hilarious.
01:17:37
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I usually cringe a lot at any kind of like side comedy guest in Weekend Update unless it's like
01:17:44
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Bill Hader's Stefan.
01:17:45
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The funniest performance of all time.
01:17:49
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Jane Wickline has juice in last night's episode.
01:17:52
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I've been following that person since TikTok and they've been one of my favorite TikTok comedians and I was really glad to hear that they were cast on SNL.
01:18:00
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Yeah, and there's a return of The Lonely Island on the episode.
01:18:04
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Yeah, that's right.
01:18:06
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So fun stuff.
01:18:07
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Who's the guest this week?
01:18:08
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Eyelash?
01:18:10
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It was Coldplay.
01:18:11
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It was Coldplay this week.
01:18:13
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Eyelashes with Keaton and then Mulaney and Chapel Roan.
01:18:17
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I will say I remember those two.
01:18:18
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Coldplay had two performances.
01:18:20
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The first of the two actually was pretty good.
01:18:22
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He did a fun thing with a player piano.
01:18:25
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I was like, that's a good performance.
01:18:26
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Oh, that's fun.
01:18:27
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That's cool.
01:18:28
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If there's one thing about Coldplay is that they're pretty good live.
01:18:31
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They just make bad music.
01:18:33
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They had a Latin American singer on the second song that was like, she was good, but the rest of the song wasn't.
01:18:42
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Dude, Gaffigan doing Tim Waltz is fucking phenomenal.
01:18:46
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He's really good at that character.
01:18:48
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The Lonely Island song they did is called Sushi Glory Hole.
01:18:53
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Just to get you excited.
01:18:55
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I'm in.
01:18:57
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Also, Dana Carvey's Biden is inspired.
Movie Night with 'Possession' and 'Ponyo'
01:19:01
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I'm really sad.
01:19:02
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Let me be clear.
01:19:03
Speaker
I'm really sad that they didn't get Heidecker to play...
01:19:07
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JD Vance but yeah but getting Bowen to do it is funny it's a good nothing else would piss off JD Vance more than a gay Asian dude playing him well and he like the first when they did it last week he's like clearly wearing like mascara it's like that's fucking phenomenal that's so funny so yeah that's my honorable mention SNL might be back but the best thing I saw this week I saw the movie Possession for the first time oh
01:19:35
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Yeah, that's a movie that you don't get all of it on the first watch or a single watch.
01:19:45
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It's a deep trove.
01:19:46
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I'm excited to watch it more and get more out of it, but what I did get out of it was unhinged and very good.
01:19:54
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It's wild.
01:19:56
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Also, a really good weapon choice in this movie.
01:19:59
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The electric meat carver.
01:20:04
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Oh, yeah.
01:20:04
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The electric meat car was sick.
01:20:05
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
01:20:07
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Yeah.
01:20:08
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Red and I one time watched that with Clarissa and a friend of the pod, and it was... We were very high.
01:20:16
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What did we double feature it with, Red?
01:20:18
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Do you remember?
01:20:20
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Ponyo.
01:20:21
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We watched Ponyo.
01:20:22
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That's something nice.
01:20:23
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We ate...
01:20:25
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Clarissa made these incredible focaccia sandwiches with this like Calabrian chili mayo.
01:20:30
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Yep.
01:20:31
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And we watched Ponyo in Possession.
01:20:32
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And I just baked out of my gourd just eating this sandwich.
01:20:36
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And then Ponyo was great because like we were like getting there and then we started Possession and we were all so baked.
01:20:44
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You did Ponyo first?
01:20:46
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Oh yeah, baby.
01:20:47
Speaker
Oh yeah, baby.
01:20:47
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I thought it would have been the opposite as well.
01:20:50
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It's real pervert hours here.
01:20:52
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Come on!
01:20:55
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It was great.
01:20:56
Speaker
One of my favorite nights at that apartment that we lived in.
01:20:58
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It was fantastic.
01:21:00
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Yeah.
John's Critique of 'The Name of the Rose'
01:21:01
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I'm just going to let you continue, Austin, John.
01:21:04
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Oh, great.
01:21:05
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Okay, so my low, honorable mention low to the original Friday the 13th, Sean Cunningham's movie, I found quite boring.
01:21:12
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I like the ending, but not overall, didn't find it.
01:21:15
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all that engagement.
01:21:16
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Milo is my church movie group that I'm a part of.
01:21:21
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We talk about spirituality in film.
01:21:23
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The choice for this week's episode or this week's episode, this week's meeting was Jean-Jacques Aneau's The Name of the Rose, which is a...
01:21:34
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Yeah, it's a movie about Sean Connery plays a Franciscan monk in the 14th century who's investigating a string of murders that have happened in a monastery.
01:21:44
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Fine, Jesus.
01:21:46
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Yeah, exactly.
01:21:47
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Cool premise.
01:21:49
Speaker
Boring as fuck movie.
01:21:51
Speaker
Like, holy shit.
01:21:52
Speaker
That movie has absolutely no juice.
01:21:54
Speaker
Ron Perlman plays like a character who...
01:22:01
Speaker
used to be a devil worshiper and now lives in the dungeons of this monastery um and is like he's basically like the scapegoat that they use it's got good people f murray abraham is in it sean connery christian slater plays like the young ward of sean connery's character like when it's like right around the time of heathers when he was like a young hot guy um
01:22:23
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Just like no juice whatsoever.
01:22:24
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Just boring as shit.
01:22:25
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And we just met to talk about it and everybody shit on it for like an hour and a half.
01:22:30
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It's a good cast.
01:22:31
Speaker
Really good cast.
01:22:32
Speaker
Again, really good premise, but just nothing going on.
01:22:35
Speaker
Some nice kills, but nothing really interesting.
01:22:40
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We talked about Texas Chainsaw enough.
01:22:41
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That would definitely be my high in any other week where we weren't discussing it, especially getting to see it in the theater.
01:22:46
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It was a very special experience.
01:22:49
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But my high is I saw the TV glow.
01:22:53
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James Schoenbrand's movie, which I- Glad we all love this movie.
01:22:56
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Fucking loved.
01:22:58
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Both Clarissa and I both were just like, holy shit, what a movie.
01:23:02
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Like, so, such a singular voice.
01:23:06
Speaker
So fascinating in the visuals and in the storytelling and the way that time moves throughout the movie.
01:23:12
Speaker
Like, they're just totally unafraid to take you on their journey.
01:23:18
Speaker
and not hold your hand.
01:23:21
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And that's my favorite kind of movie is when I know I'm in the hands of an absolute genius filmmaker.
01:23:28
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And I was blown away by it.
01:23:31
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I cannot wait to watch it again.
Joe's Highlights: 'That Thing You Do' and 'Southland Tales'
01:23:34
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I'm probably gonna watch it three more times this year.
01:23:37
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I was so moved by it.
01:23:39
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I thought the performances were extraordinary.
01:23:42
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the way that they shoot the pink opaque sequences, like the VHS sort of style of those, I was so blown away by their ability to sort of like contrast these beautiful images with this sort of like grimy 90s TV stuff.
01:23:59
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Yeah, Justice Smith, phenomenal.
01:24:02
Speaker
Yes.
01:24:03
Speaker
I watched that, and I rewatched Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves in the same night, and Justice Smith just doing the Lord's work in both of those movies.
01:24:13
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Yeah, he's got the juice.
01:24:15
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He's a very, very good.
01:24:16
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Very special.
01:24:16
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Joe, I know you've got to scoot, so...
01:24:18
Speaker
Yeah, I'll do mine quickly.
01:24:20
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I'm sad to say that my low this week was actually a movie that I kind of liked.
01:24:26
Speaker
So I just haven't watched a lot of bad shit.
01:24:29
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But it's a movie that we're going to talk about later.
01:24:34
Speaker
But it was The Blood on Satan's Claws.
01:24:36
Speaker
I think I just don't like folk horror.
01:24:39
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I'm trying.
01:24:40
Speaker
I think I just bounced off of it really hard.
01:24:42
Speaker
I did not like this movie.
01:24:43
Speaker
I thought it was boring.
01:24:45
Speaker
I thought it was better than...
01:24:47
Speaker
The other folk or the whaling, but, uh, uh, but we're gonna talk about them later.
01:24:52
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Yeah.
01:24:52
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I didn't, I'm excited.
01:24:53
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Again, I'm excited to talk about that was my low last week.
01:24:55
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So I, this is two times in a row that I watched a full core movie and didn't like it.
01:25:01
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Um, my, and then my honorable mention high was that thing you do the Tom Hanks flick.
01:25:06
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Oh, great flick.
01:25:07
Speaker
One of my favorite movie.
01:25:08
Speaker
The only reason it's not my actual high is because it has, um,
01:25:12
Speaker
little to no actual substance to it.
01:25:14
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It's just a fun to watch movie with a good soundtrack and hot people kissing.
01:25:20
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Yeah, and Liv Tyler being the most gorgeous woman who's ever walked the fucking way to the earth.
01:25:24
Speaker
Holy shit.
01:25:25
Speaker
My favorite line from this movie is when he comes back out at the end and says, when's the last time you've been decently kissed?
01:25:31
Speaker
And I was like, that's beautiful.
01:25:32
Speaker
But also, it doesn't belong in this movie.
01:25:34
Speaker
It belongs in a 1940s noir where the main character goes, darling, when's the last time you've been decently kissed?
01:25:42
Speaker
And she goes, well, I don't know.
01:25:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's a Bogart line.
01:25:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's a Bogart line.
01:25:47
Speaker
But he gives it to Tom Everett Scott, which is findable.
01:25:50
Speaker
And then my actual high was that I rewatched Southland Tales.
01:25:53
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Fuck you, Austin.
01:25:54
Speaker
It's the best movie of all time.
01:25:57
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Bye.
01:25:58
Speaker
Bye, Joe.
01:25:58
Speaker
Love you.
01:25:59
Speaker
My favorite thing about that thing you do is they do, I mean, it's a fake, you know, based on a true story movie, obviously.
Frustrating Experience with Enterprise Rent-A-Car
01:26:06
Speaker
And at the end they do like the segments where they give like what happened to these people.
01:26:11
Speaker
And they never, I think in the process of the script, they never gave the bass player a name.
01:26:16
Speaker
They got Ethan Embry's character.
01:26:18
Speaker
And so they literally in the closing credits, when they're telling his story, his name is TB player.
01:26:24
Speaker
which i think is so funny i think it's a great one it's just because like nobody gives a shit about the bass player unless you're paul mccartney yeah or flea or flea or sting uh i guess yeah i guess that counts anyways uh i guess that leaves just me because our beloved joey had to scoot um i've never called him joey i just thought it would be funny joey
01:26:47
Speaker
My low this week is Enterprise Rent-A-Cars customer service.
01:26:55
Speaker
And the fact that they just willingly didn't put a spare tire, a jack, or a pump in the rental vehicle that we had rented from them.
01:27:06
Speaker
And then when we called and told them that, they were like, yeah, we don't put them in minivans.
01:27:10
Speaker
What?
01:27:10
Speaker
You're like, what do you mean?
01:27:11
Speaker
Fuck off, you fucking idiots.
01:27:13
Speaker
Why?
01:27:13
Speaker
Why?
01:27:15
Speaker
So I dealt with a flat tire for seven and a half hours yesterday because I know how to change a flat, but...
01:27:26
Speaker
I got the flat on a ranch stuck between Alpine, Texas and Terlingua, Texas.
01:27:32
Speaker
And on that specific road of Texas State Highway 118, there's about a 70-mile stretch of which you lose any and all cell phone service.
01:27:41
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And I have an older iPhone, so I can't even connect to a satellite and send a text.
01:27:45
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Yeah.
01:27:46
Speaker
So we were...
01:27:49
Speaker
Yeah, it was just a whole shit show.
01:27:51
Speaker
And then eventually had to have AAA pick up the van.
01:27:55
Speaker
And then we just said, all right, it's yours.
01:27:59
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And then they took it to Odessa to give it back to Enterprise.
01:28:02
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And we were like, we just don't have this vehicle anymore.
01:28:05
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
01:28:06
Speaker
So, dude, yeah.
Struggle with a Flat Tire in Texas
01:28:08
Speaker
Changing a tire is something that is like relatively very easy and straightforward until it's not.
01:28:13
Speaker
It's always just the biggest pain in the ass.
01:28:15
Speaker
Literally two weeks ago, I'm riding on a spare right now.
01:28:18
Speaker
Thank God it's full size.
01:28:19
Speaker
But I got a flat.
01:28:21
Speaker
And when I bought my truck, I didn't get all of the jacket with it.
01:28:26
Speaker
And so I need to order one at some point.
01:28:28
Speaker
And so I spent like four hours just sitting in my parking lot at my complex, like waiting for people to borrow your jacket and eventually got like three different jackets that had pieces I could put together to make it piece together.
01:28:42
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It was like, yeah.
01:28:43
Speaker
And on a lot of trucks, you have to get this like lock thing undone to lower the tire.
01:28:49
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Yeah.
01:28:49
Speaker
I feel that red is not fun.
01:28:51
Speaker
I'm sorry, buddy.
01:28:52
Speaker
That sucks.
01:28:53
Speaker
It was just such a weird shit show.
01:28:55
Speaker
Yeah.
01:28:55
Speaker
But it was a fun shoot.
01:28:57
Speaker
Especially when you're on the road is even worse.
01:28:59
Speaker
There's no comfort you can return to.
01:29:02
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Yeah.
01:29:03
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Yeah.
01:29:04
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It was a day.
01:29:04
Speaker
You got to just finish and keep driving.
01:29:07
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Yeah.
01:29:09
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So that was my low.
01:29:10
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My honorable mention high.
01:29:14
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You know, I watched Texas Chainsaw, so obviously that would be my high, but we've been talking about it all day.
01:29:20
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So I'm not going to say it.
01:29:23
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I'm going to give two honorable mention highs just because I think that they're fun.
Enjoying 'Suspiria' and Jason Isbell's Performance
01:29:29
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Suspiria, I really loved.
01:29:31
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I thought it was great watching the original.
01:29:33
Speaker
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Luca G one.
01:29:37
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That movie is fucked up.
01:29:39
Speaker
One of Cloris's favorites.
01:29:40
Speaker
I've actually heard quite a lot of people are more defenders of the Luca G version than they are.
01:29:47
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They are the Argento version.
01:29:48
Speaker
Yeah.
01:29:49
Speaker
Just fascinating.
01:29:51
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Yeah.
01:29:51
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Another honorable mention high is Jason Isbell in 400 units live from the Ryman volume two.
01:29:57
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If you guys have never seen Jason Isbell in person, especially full band, I mean, they are one of the most like musically tight groups I've ever seen.
01:30:06
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They're pretty excellent.
01:30:07
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And so having this record,
01:30:10
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is really fun.
01:30:11
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They just sound so good live and he's just a really badass guitar player.
01:30:16
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He plays with badass guitar players.
01:30:18
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He plays with badass musicians.
01:30:19
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A song that would normally be four and a half minutes, he just extends to nine.
01:30:26
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The best part of live music.
01:30:27
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These long interludes.
Praise for Adam Sandler's Stand-up Special
01:30:29
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It's not just all solos.
01:30:30
Speaker
Sometimes it's full band interludes.
01:30:34
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My actual high, if I'm not counting Texas Chainsaw, is finally getting to watch Adam Sandler's Love You.
01:30:40
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Hell yeah.
01:30:43
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I was pretty blown away by it, actually.
01:30:45
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I had listened to some of Sandman's stand-up, and I was like, yeah, he's funny.
01:30:50
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I much preferred him in roles.
01:30:52
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I much preferred him in movies and television and sketch comedy.
01:30:58
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But I consistently laughed and laughed and laughed.
01:31:04
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I Joe talked about it on I keep referring to it as the RV episode it's not actually the RV episode it's the dudes talking episode Joe referred to it as like a little absurdist in the way that he will like and Zach you talked about this too the way he will tell a story
01:31:20
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that seems like it's going somewhere logical.
01:31:23
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And then all of a sudden he's like just talking to his dog.
01:31:26
Speaker
And you're like, what the fuck?
01:31:26
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And like the dog's like responding and the dog starts talking about his penis and he starts talking about his penis.
01:31:30
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And it was like, isn't his dog's name Bagel?
01:31:33
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Yeah.
01:31:34
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Hell yeah.
01:31:35
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And I was like, it's just, it really worked for me on every level.
01:31:40
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And like you guys, like you and Joe both said, Zach, that final song is, is beautiful.
01:31:45
Speaker
Like it'll bring a tear to your eye.
01:31:48
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Love it.
01:31:49
Speaker
Yeah, truly.
01:31:50
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So, that's it.
Closing Remarks and Future Episode Plans
01:31:52
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Austin, thank you for giving us the opportunity to talk about April.
01:31:56
Speaker
Of course.
01:31:56
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Next week is full horror.
01:31:58
Speaker
I'm so happy watching all these horror movies, which feels so counterintuitive.
01:32:02
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I love it.
01:32:03
Speaker
It's such a fun time.
01:32:05
Speaker
Yeah, next week, rather than do full horror or John Carpenter.
01:32:09
Speaker
We've got to figure that out.
01:32:10
Speaker
We'll think.
01:32:11
Speaker
We'll yap about it.
01:32:12
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Yeah.
01:32:14
Speaker
So either either cat or Andrew Ingalls will be the guest or Andy will be back on the pod to talk.
01:32:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:32:21
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Time with that.
01:32:22
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So listener, thank you for listening.
01:32:24
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Boys, thank you for joining me.
01:32:26
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We love you.
01:32:26
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We love you.
01:32:27
Speaker
Bye.