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PGW 35: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? GLADIATOR II + HOME ALONE 3 (Feat. Andy Ingalls)
4 Plays10 months ago
What are the holidays for, but family. So we brought on some family, our beloved Andy Ingalls to talk HOME ALONE 3 and some GLADIATOR 2.
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Introduction and Humor
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My name is Patamus Decimus Meridius, commander of the armies of Peru, general of the Felix Legions and the loyal servant of the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius, father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my marmalade sandwich in this life or the next.
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Amen.
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Do you guys think that Marcus Aurelius knew that when he was writing meditations that a bunch of fucking losers would be all over that shit?
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Where we are, bad reviews are not.
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Where bad reviews are, we are not.
Hosts and Banter
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Oh, welcome to Paddington Gone Wild, the internet's only Roman Empire podcast.
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Don't look it up.
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That's true.
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It's true.
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God dang it.
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I wish that were true.
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It's the only one.
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Jesus fuck.
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It's the only one.
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I've listened to way too much Dan Carlin's hardcore history to believe that.
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I am one of your hosts, Red Rankin, joined by my illustrious co-hosts, the Dondas of our podcast, Joe.
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Yeah, do some monkey noises, Joe.
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I tried.
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Noted Scarlett Johansson enthusiast, Zach.
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Not the one from this movie.
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Yeah, she's a little young, a little young in this film.
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And the twin embers, our very own Gaeta and Paranagala, Austin and Andy Engels.
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Andy is back.
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Andrew, welcome back.
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We're so glad to have you.
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No, no, I'm here for whatever that means.
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Whatever that means.
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It's 100%.
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Is Andy the one that has syphilis or not?
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That's you, sorry.
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That's me?
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Okay.
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He lives longer.
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Yeah, well, that's because I'm Dondas, so that's you and me.
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Oh, you're so right.
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You're so right.
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You're my Dondas.
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Okay.
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Dondas Andy is a small ape that gets named the first council of the city of Rome.
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Excellent, yes.
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By the emperor.
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One of the great parts, maybe the best scene in the movie.
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All hail Dondas.
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All hail Dondas.
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During that scene, my friend that I went with, he literally stood up, put both fists in the air, and started
Movie Discussions and Humor
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pumping them and chanting Dondas.
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Yeah.
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I did that every time Denzel Washington just sort of clicked his rings together.
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Oh my gosh, dude.
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Putting that shit on, he going crazy.
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There's a moment in this movie where Denzel Washington turns the word politics into like nine syllables.
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It's the fucking greatest thing I've ever seen.
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Where do we start with this movie?
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Yeah, Red, get us into it.
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Yeah, just a little bit of an intro.
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This intro and the beginning of this podcast may indicate that this is going to be mostly an episode built around Gladiator 2, but it is not.
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We're going to do a little gladiator roundup.
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Strict ya, bitch.
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Strict ya, bitch.
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Mostly because I had no idea how to do an intro on our actual film that we are talking about.
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The reason that Andy is here in the first place is the Raja Gosnell film Home Alone 3.
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His directorial debut.
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God bless him.
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But before we get into our Gladiator 2 roundup, which will mostly just be the four of us boys, because Andy has not seen it.
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Treat me as your useful idiot, please.
Personal Stories and Zen Moments
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Oh, perfect.
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There's a couple of those in this movie.
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No, that's me usually.
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Joe, you had a bit that you wanted to bring to the table.
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Well, okay, I'll just do it.
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It doesn't really fit the theme now, but I'm just going to do it anyway because it made me laugh when I was thinking of it.
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So I was listening to... I have a lot of time on my hands at my job.
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I do a lot of driving to different locations to do photo shoots.
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And I listened to this song that just put me in this zen state.
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I was kind of...
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I was having a rough week at my job because we were doing this whole banquet thing and it was really kicking my ass how much stuff I had to do for it.
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If any of the boys in the group chat listened to my audio message, then you know what I'm talking about.
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But I listened to this song and it just put me into this just crazy zen set.
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I was feeling good again after a week of just feeling shitty.
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And it was Pink Pony Club by Chaple Rowan.
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Close.
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It was Clarity by Zed.
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Yes.
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Because listen, if our love is tragedy, why are you my Clarity?
Genius, Creativity, and Film Delays
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You know what I mean?
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Do you know what I fucking mean?
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Listen, I have said in our group text like seven times over the last four days, this is why Joe is one of the greatest voices in podcasting.
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It's true.
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And that is another example.
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Well, usually Red says that right after I say something batshit.
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Well, I guess that's batshit.
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Or something that Red profoundly disagrees with.
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He's like, Joe, I respect you.
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You're the greatest voice in podcasting, but you're dead ass wrong.
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Yeah.
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I will say, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
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If you're a genius, you don't have to be right.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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I'm kind of with you.
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Name one genius that ain't crazy.
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Kanye West.
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Sure.
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Uh-huh.
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Moving your point again.
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Another one, Mel Gibson.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to be right.
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Fight plane.
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Fighting the airplane.
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Has anybody seen fight plane yet?
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What is it actually called?
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Flight Risk.
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Flight Risk.
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Thank you.
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I was about to say, let's just put the actual title of it out.
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I don't think it's out.
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Where is it?
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Really?
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Where the fuck is it?
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It's gotta be out.
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We've been talking about it.
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I've been seeing trailers for so damn long.
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But it feels like one of those where they're just gonna, it's like fucking Kraven.
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They're gonna keep pushing it back.
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It's gonna be like 2029.
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I feel so bad.
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And we're finally gonna get that hairline out of Mark Wahlberg.
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Flight Risk is slated for 2025.
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I feel really bad for JC Chandor because...
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He's a great director.
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Because Triple Frontier, that's Jacey Chandor, right?
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That's his movie?
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Triple Frontier is great.
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I mean, it's not the best movie I've ever seen, but it's wonderful.
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It's a perfect three and a half star movie.
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Exactly.
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It's perfect.
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And I am pretty sure Kraven the Hunter is going to be at least good.
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It's probably not going to be great, but it looks like it's going to be at least a pretty fun action
Gladiator 2 Analysis
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movie.
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Yeah.
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And it's going to get railroaded because...
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The last two Sony, like Spider-Man villain movies sucked major dick and balls.
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So are you saying that Clint Eastwood's next movie is going to be about JC Shandor getting railroaded?
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Oh, you know what?
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I would watch it.
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They railroaded him.
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They didn't release this movie.
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Oh, but speaking of, jury number two was fucking flames.
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I can't wait to see it.
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It's $9.99 rental.
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I'm waiting until it goes down.
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Just a couple bucks.
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I got to see it in the theater.
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I didn't have to rent it.
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I'm so jealous.
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Oh my God.
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It was wonderful.
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God damn it.
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Sorry.
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Can we talk about Gladiator now?
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Yeah.
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So Gladiator 2.
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the new film from our, uh, not favorite octogenarian, but one of our favorite octogenarians, uh, Sir Ridley Scott.
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The octogenarian that just keeps working.
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87 years old, uh, and still releasing flicks.
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Um, it's, uh, I don't know, like, uh,
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Maximus had a kid and now he's a gladiator and he's got to get revenge for a murdered wife.
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It's the same movie until the end.
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It's practically beat for beat the exact same.
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Yeah.
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So what do we think?
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What really stood out for me in this movie, I had fun.
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There's nothing revelational about this movie, but it was exactly what I expected in the right way.
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Yeah.
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And what kind of got me about it is how many people in this movie got got by the twists.
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I was like, yeah, that was in the trailer, dude.
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What do you mean?
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It's also the first moment of the movie, like the opening shot, you know,
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Yeah.
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You just twist.
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This is just a continuation of a story that's already been well hashed out.
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It's a hand in harvested wheat as opposed to a hand in growing.
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Yeah.
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But it's like, what do you what do you want?
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Like, it's not surprising.
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They start out.
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I'm not surprised.
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They start out this story in North Africa where Paul Mezcal is dating a fine African honey.
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and are married.
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I don't know how they do that.
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He says wife.
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Okay, great.
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And then you're supposed to be surprised when the white guy in Africa is the son of Maximus from the original movie?
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No.
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The only issue being that he was born the same time as Maximus' child with his wife.
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Who is the that's the inciting incident because he's like 12 years old in Gladiator.
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Yes.
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So he was Maximus cheated on his wife with Connie Nielsen's character.
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And then all the events of that played out.
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Yes.
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That's what's wild to me.
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I think his wife's son was maybe a bit younger.
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Maybe a bit.
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But they're around the same age.
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Before his wife and son are killed, he slept with Lucilla and bore a son from Lucilla.
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And then we're supposed to believe that there's no indication that that's his son in Gladiator at all.
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I really wish, after hearing you say Lucilla, that it was...
Character and Film Analysis
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Lucille and Buster are the stars of this movie instead of like, can you imagine, can you imagine these are my awards mother from army.
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These are my awards from gladiator.
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If we still had, if we still had arrested development, we would get that episode.
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I have a question and I was going to wait till the end of this segment, but I just have to ask it up top.
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So Maximus Decimus Meridius in the first film is often referred to as the Spaniard.
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For those who don't know, it was supposed to be Antonio Banderas.
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It was supposed to be Antonio Banderas.
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That's why he's referred to the entire time as the Spaniard is he was originally hilarious.
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Antonio Banderas.
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Now they're white Spanish people.
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Sure, but not that look like Russell Crowe.
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Not that look like Russell Crowe.
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Russell Crowe is the most British-looking motherfucker.
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I should also say, when I say white Spanish people... Don't cancel me for this, but I think most Spaniards are white.
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Yeah, but like Antonio Banderas has dark, you know.
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There's the whole Arab influence in Spain because of all of the different crusades and shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Zach almost moved to Spain.
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Like, I think Zach's got a real question.
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That's true.
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I forgot about that.
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And I can do the accent because I'm doing white Spain.
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Shout out to my great aunt Inez who is from Rota, Spain and the first time I ever learned about Catalan I was like so why do they call it like Barthelona and she was like those stupid motherfuckers she was like so mad is it racist to apply the appropriate dialect to a region it's not I think she just hates a great question for the five of us whiteys to answer I think she just hates people who speak Castilian Spanish I think she's just annoyed by them yeah sure
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But I ask that specifically because I'm so curious.
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Who is an actor if...
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Banderas was Maximus, who was an actor that they would have cast to be in the Mescal part.
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I have a wild card here.
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Yeah?
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Omar Apollo.
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I was literally about to say Omar Apollo.
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Oh.
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He's breaking into the space.
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I mean, queer coming up.
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Yeah, I would be interested in that.
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I'm trying to think of, like, the one that comes to mind, and he's not Spanish.
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He's of Italian heritage, but Jake Cannavale.
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Bobby Cannavale son who's on, who's on Mandalorian and is, it seems adept at that sort of action.
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But I don't know.
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Who's the fucking tween that was on... He said tween.
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There was no K at the end of that.
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No, there's no K. Tween isn't a slur.
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No, it's not.
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Tween is so good, though.
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Tween is good.
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Zach asked this question regularly.
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Who's that tween?
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What were you going to say, Zach?
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Who's that tween?
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I'm trying to remember what he was in.
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I don't know if it was Outer Banks.
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I've never seen that, but it's in that same space.
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Chase Stokes?
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Outer Banks is one of those shows that, like...
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reminds you that there are there's a whole group of people that just don't have brains yep i mean it's a reminder that that like chicago fire and chicago med have like eight million people watching every episode and like succession at its height there was like four million people watching well there's there's danny ramirez who was in uh top gun maverick oh yeah like fanboy in top gun maverick he would be quite good i think charles melton oh charles melton
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That's not who I was trying to think of.
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Oscar nominee.
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Well, if we're going by Ridley Scott's idea of ethnically accurate casting, then sure, Charles Nelson can play Spaniard.
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Can you imagine if they called Russell Crowe the Korean the entire movie?
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ridley doesn't care like that's the biggest thing is that ridley could not give less of a shit and so it's like you can cast whoever the fuck you want yeah like you know he doesn't care and i think i think i still can't think of the name i'm thinking of it's gonna drive me crazy it'll come up like in an hour that's fine try listening to clarity by zed
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My biggest gripe with Gladiator 2 is that I didn't get to see Russell Crowe floating across the ground.
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Fair enough.
00:13:41
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I mean, I'll say my favorite thing about this movie is the sort of variety of performances we get.
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Now, I would not say that all those performances work for me, but I like a movie that has a lot of people going for it kind of in different directions.
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You know, it's like, I think Pascal is very good.
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I think he's kind of underserved, but I think he's very good.
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I think Denzel is obviously the best performance in the movie.
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I...
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He is absolutely phenomenal.
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I think Fred Hechinger and Joseph Quinn are both very good because they understand that this is what they're supposed to be creating as the emperors of this state is a state of debauchery and just absolute insanity.
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And so they're wearing like super, you know, white makeup.
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And they like the moment my favorite moment in the movie is when it gets revealed that Fred Hechinger's character has syphilis.
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Yeah.
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Like, and it's just a tossed off line where he says, like, the disease in his loins has clearly spread to his brain.
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Like, that's a fucking phenomenal line.
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Yeah.
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And it's just it's this late Ridley thing of being like, I'm going to cut out all the chaff, all the all the shoe leather and just have all the stuff that I want.
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Like he just has no interest.
00:15:01
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It's the same thing in Napoleon, even though Napoleon goes on for fucking ever.
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And I like Napoleon.
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Okay.
00:15:07
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I haven't seen it.
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It's, it's, it's okay.
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Put out the director's cut so you can watch the even longer one.
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Yeah.
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You could sit for the next seven hours and watch the director's cut.
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But I, you know,
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I think he's just so uninterested in that.
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So I think that both lends to a movie that doesn't hold together at all in a plot sense and like in a character development sense, like the kind of twists and turns that particularly Hanno goes through, the Paul Meskel character, like...
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it doesn't make sense where his allegiances lie at any given point.
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Like when he shifts his allegiances, it happens very quickly and abruptly, but I'm still kind of engaged by it because I'm like, okay, this movie doesn't care about that.
00:15:45
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So what is this movie trying to do?
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This is the best example for me for why,
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I completely agree with what you're saying.
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And this is how it worked in my brain.
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Like, yeah, there's no not really any character development, whatever.
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It's just kind of a vibes movie.
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Yeah.
00:15:59
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And this is exemplified by any time they said Hanno his name.
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I was surprised that.
00:16:06
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Yeah, for sure.
00:16:07
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I'm in my head.
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I was like, that's gladiator.
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Every time Paul Mezgaard came on screen, I was like, ah, gladiator.
00:16:15
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That's normal people.
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Yeah, that's normal people.
00:16:19
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I remember the name of the dude who I've never seen anything he's been in.
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Noah Centennial.
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Oh, sure.
00:16:26
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He's in like the kissing booth, right?
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Yeah.
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To all the boys that I kissed.
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The kissing booth is the one that actually has juice.
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It's a lordy.
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It's a lordy.
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To all the boys I've loved before.
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The lordy's in kissing booth?
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Yeah, dude.
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That's where you
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got to start.
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To all the boys I've loved before is what I was thinking of.
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I've never seen the Kissing Booth movies.
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I'm going to say this and then I will actually go into what I feel about Gladiator 2.
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I've never seen the Kissing Booth movies, but my best friend, his sister-in-law is 18.
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And when those movies first started coming out, she was like 12 or 13.
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And she knew that I loved movies.
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And she was like, Red, what do you think of those?
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And I had a moment of which I was like,
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I am far too old to be watching those films.
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Like, I would have rather you been like, what do you think of Moana?
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Because I don't feel too old to watch Moana.
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However, I am far too old to be watching a movie about kissing a teenage boy.
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I regularly have moments where, like, someone in my family will ask me what I think about a movie, and I do not have it in me to be a dick.
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And like, there was someone who came up to me or was talking to me about movies and they were like, yeah, man, I just watched Deadpool and Wolverine for the fourth time.
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I'm so happy that that's how they introduced Wolverine into the MCU.
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And I was like, yeah, man, that's awesome.
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I keep having students ask me about Don to Don and I'm like, I cannot talk about that with you.
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I cannot engage in this with you.
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Yeah.
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I just have to say, like, I now my thoughts are gladiator two.
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Yeah.
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Connie Nielsen's bad in this movie.
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Like, yeah, I was going to say she's the only performance I thought was genuinely not good.
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She's the weakest link by it.
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And like and like.
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pretty clearly the weakest link.
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I think performance-wise, I think Meskel is good.
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The funny thing is Denzel at one point says the reason I love you as a gladiator is because rage is what inspires you.
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And there was never a point at which I really felt like Meskel rage.
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The only moment is when he's fighting... The only moment is when he's fighting Pascal and he screams...
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He also does like, is this how Rome treats its heroes?
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Yeah.
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That sequence I like.
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Same moment.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's a fault.
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I don't think that's a fault of Mezcal.
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I think it's a fault of the writing.
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They didn't give him anything to be rageful about.
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They gave him a lot of like... That's fair.
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What I liked...
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that Mezcal was doing is he was doing like old Hollywood facial acting.
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Yeah.
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And like anytime someone would be like, like he would be getting fixed up by the doctor character who was one of my favorites.
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I love that.
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Yeah, that character is awesome.
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And he would, he would, he would like make a joke and Mezcal would just like laugh in this way.
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I'm like, oh, that's some,
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that's a 40s move.
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Well, it's like Kirk Douglas and Spartacus.
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That's what it feels like to me.
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It's much more engaged with that than it is with Russell Crowe.
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Yeah, and I thought Meskel was like
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I never felt the rage.
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I never felt like... I saw movie stardom in him where I was like, this is a guy who I want to see on a big screen.
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Frankly, I don't think I want to see him in another action movie.
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I thought that he was competent.
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I thought like, I weirdly... Somebody was like, I don't know, he doesn't have the body for it.
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And then there's a moment of which he takes his shirt off and you watch him earn his body.
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And you see his shoulders and you're like...
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I don't fucking know.
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That's a pretty big boy.
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I want to see him in like a Chinatown.
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Yeah.
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I also think he would be good in like a Den of Thieves.
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Like a more like a very like high octane but more understated in its sort of like craziness.
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You know, in its acting.
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I don't know if that's what I'm craving.
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Castamon Heat 2.
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Yeah, sure.
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See what fucking happens.
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I don't know.
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I think I'm craving more of a Chinatown vibe 2.
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Yeah.
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I like the Chinatown idea.
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I mean, I think his best moments are the quieter moments.
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Like, I think the scene with Lucilla where she's coming in to, like, confront him in his sort of chamber or whatever, his cell, is...
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the best performance moment for him and probably for her.
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Like it's the highest stakes.
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He blows her off the fucking screen.
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Oh, 100%.
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But it gives her the highest stakes to play with that she's given.
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And I think that gives her something to rise to where the rest of her scenes are just like around a fountain in her home or sitting behind the emperors.
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And that's pretty boring placement.
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And she's just not served well by those.
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I agree with you that she's the weakest link of the movie.
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Her performance is not good.
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But it's also just like
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anytime anyone's on screen with Denzel, they cannot hang.
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They just can't.
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Outside of the one, I really like the one guy who plays the senator who he's like betting against.
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Yeah, who he keeps dapping up in a completely anachronistic way.
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Yeah, which is amazing.
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But he keeps it.
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Like that guy who I only know from 101 Dalmatians.
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He's one of the henchmen for Cruella de Vil in 101 Dalmatians.
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Nice.
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It's him and Hugh Laurie are the two henchmen in 101 Dalmatians.
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The heck?
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Yes, fucking fire.
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Go back and watch that movie.
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But I yeah, I like him and I think he's bringing like British thespian like slimeball energy and I like that and I think that kind of pairs well with what Denzel's doing of being this sort of like, you know, playing Alonzo from Training Day if he was in the Roman Empire.
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Yeah, I like fucking sick.
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I liked Denzel and Quinn's moments together.
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I thought
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Obviously, Quinn just doesn't have the confidence or the...
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the experience to hang with someone like Denzel.
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It's like, that's the thing is Denzel has 40 years of this.
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Like asking like a college basketball player to play with LeBron.
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Yeah.
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It's like, come on, like, what are we doing here?
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And, and everybody's, everybody's underserved by that casting, except for Denzel who just elevates every single moment.
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Yeah.
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I actually enjoyed a Matt Lucas's continuation of David Hemmings character.
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That is, he's very funny.
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Yeah.
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Like he's very enjoyable.
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I felt like that character belonged in Megalopolis.
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I agree.
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The way he flippantly tossed his wine on someone.
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I was like, he should be sitting next to Jon Voight in Megalobis at the arena.
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Someone posted the clip on Twitter of when they all throw their hats on the floor.
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Like Shia LaBeouf throws his hat on the floor and then someone else does it.
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And then the third guy does it.
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And then the fourth guy does it.
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We can't return to Megalopolis, but still in my top 15 for the year.
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I will also say, listener, if you haven't seen Gladiator 2, I'll say this.
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Maybe we can talk about a few more thoughts, but really we are here for Home Alone 3, so I want to give that it's due.
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Yeah, I will say before we started recording, Andy texted me that he'd been taking notes on Home Alone 3 for an hour.
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Excellent.
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That's what Andy brings to this.
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Absolutely.
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The interesting thing about Gladiator 2, and I told my boss this,
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I saw the film last night.
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Is Gladiator, the first film, is sort of an action movie?
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Really, it's just like a big kind of sword and sandal epic.
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And there's a lot of moments of which you get to see like...
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Russell Crowe just staring and being Russell Crowe.
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And Gladiator 2 is just an action movie.
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Yeah.
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Which is ironic.
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With really bad CGI.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I agree for the most part that I think... Actually, no, I agree that the action is better in the first one.
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I do actually think there's some pretty sick sequences in Gladiator 2.
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The naval one kind of speaks to... I really like the naval one.
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That's the one in the arena that really works for me.
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And I think a lot of it comes down to, I think the reason that the naval one works really well is it is a scene that has a ton of ideas.
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And so even if you look at something and you're like, that CGI kind of stinks, or that looks a little janky, is all of the ideas are working and going really well.
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One thing I'll also say is there's a lot more Ridley handheld in this movie than I can think of anything else he's ever made.
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There's a lot of handheld here.
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Ridley's racing against the clock.
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Yeah, he's trying everything now.
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He's just making movies until he drops, I think.
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Once your brother dies, I think he's making movies for Tony.
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That's an interesting thought.
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Was it 2010 that Tony died?
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He's making movies for both of them.
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Since then, he's really pushed the envelope on what he can get done.
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But then we also get something like The Martian.
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For sure.
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I always forget that's his movie.
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Which is a great fucking... I think it's the best movie he's made in the last 20 years.
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Yeah, I mean, I just watched it this year for the first time.
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I had not seen it.
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I love that movie.
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But I think that is more of like an old Hollywood hand job.
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Not hand job.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Holy moly.
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It's the job of an old Hollywood hand.
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I should say that.
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And it's like giving William Wyler a script or something.
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And it's like, yeah, he's going to execute this.
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But Gladiator 2 obviously has resonance and impact for him because it's a sequel to a movie he made.
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And so I don't know.
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I...
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I think it's ultimately successful, question mark, in its execution.
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Like, I think it's an enjoyable movie.
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I don't think it holds together at all.
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I think there's parts of it that are kind of unwatchable.
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Like, the whole monkey sequence in the arena is unwatchable.
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Like, it's terrible.
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It's straight up.
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Like, those CGI apes are... They look like the fucking Gorgons from Stranger Things.
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Like, it's terrible, dog.
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Like monkeys, yeah.
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It's awful.
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But, like, I agree with you about the naval sequence...
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What?
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I said, let him bite a real monkey.
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Well, yeah, let him feast.
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That was a cool choice for him to bite the monkey back.
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I like all of that, but just the monkeys just look terrible.
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But I agree with you about the naval sequence.
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I don't get bothered by CGI because the idea of reconstructing a war battle, like a naval battle in the middle of an arena is so cool.
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And that's just such a cool idea.
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I might be wrong about this.
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I mean,
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hear every little detail but was it Romans like cosplaying Greek battle sequences that's funny that's cool because these are the stories that are getting passed around at this time and there's all these people online who can fucking like eat my asshole who are like there was no sharks in the Coliseum and I'm like yeah there also wasn't fucking like Sony cameras in the Coliseum you piece of shit like I don't care I don't care
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The quote that Ridley Scott himself has about that kind of shit is the perfect response where people are like, isn't this a little bit inaccurate for the history?
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And he just goes, were you there?
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No, then fuck off.
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The quote that I always think about with this sort of stuff is like I listened to a podcast with Tony Kushner who wrote Lincoln and wrote a bunch of movies with Spielberg and is a great playwright.
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And he talked about writing.
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No, not Jared, not Jared, Tony.
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Jared has not written any great movies that I can think of, but he might have been responsible for two Jared's two guys in the world.
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Yeah.
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But Tony Kushner talks about he talks about in the process of writing Lincoln.
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He's like, if I'm writing Mary Todd Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln, having a conversation in their bedroom, I'm making it up.
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nobody was there it's creation and yes i can try to be accurate to the events of history but more what i'm trying to capture is some sort of feeling and it's the same thing in this if you want an accurate to history story go read a fucking book yeah watch a documentary you think married couples in the 1800s were having conversations probably not you make a good point there you make a good no walked in just socked her in the jaw and then
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He pulled out his pants, whipped out his fucking hammer.
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And said, I wish you were a man.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Well, yeah, probably so.
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Yeah, Joe's insinuating that Abraham Lincoln was gay is what he's doing.
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A lot of people have insinuated that.
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It's not just me.
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I'm not insane.
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I have never heard this, but maybe I need to read a fucking book.
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Well, obviously you're not on the corners of the internet.
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I'm on.
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I'm certainly not.
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I can promise you that.
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I'm fully in on that Eleanor Roosevelt was definitely gay.
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Every U.S. president was gay, except for me.
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Speaking of getting socked in the jaw, Home Alone 3.
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Let's go!
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So, Home Alone 3.
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Y'all ready for this?
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Released the same year as Austin and I's birthed.
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Amen.
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1997.
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1997.
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The greatest year in cinema history, perhaps.
00:29:26
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Come on.
00:29:27
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There's an argument.
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There's an argument.
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Like four of my 20 favorite movies of all time came out from 1997.
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And one of them is Home Alone 3.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Thank God.
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Thank God.
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It's not.
00:29:36
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This movie is actually quite bad.
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We're going to talk about it.
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I know.
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I know.
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But I have to.
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I want to get and hear from Andy and Austin.
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Why Home Alone 3?
00:29:48
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I want to hear from Andy first, though.
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Yeah, I was about to say Andy needs to start.
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From the perspective of Andy being of the age that you could have seen this in the theater when it came out.
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And then passing it along to your younger siblings.
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I just have a question about this before you start, Andy.
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Yeah.
00:30:04
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Had you seen Home Alone 1 and 2 when you saw Home Alone 3?
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I don't remember.
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Okay.
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But I do think I saw this movie in the theater.
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And not only that, I was the age that Alex Pruitt was in the movie.
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So I was eight years old when I saw this movie.
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And there's something about, I think, John Hughes movies just writ large that is really present in this movie that he, John Hughes, I think better than anybody.
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The city of Chicago?
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Well, yes, that's a huge part of it.
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That especially.
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But John Hughes writes fantasies.
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It is the fantasy of the protagonist.
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It is the fantasy of our hero.
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And so both the first two Home Alone movies are that.
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Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a fantasy of Ferris Bueller's.
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Breakfast Club is the fantasy of everybody in the Breakfast Club.
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Club, 16 Candles is the fantasy of the main character.
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He writes the fantasy of that person's perspective.
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And so as an eight year old watching this movie in a movie theater as a fantasy of so many things, but especially as a fantasy of here's what's possible for a smart child to do the fucking world.
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It was like, this is perfect.
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This is everything that a movie could ever be.
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I'm a smart child.
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I get good grades.
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I don't know what the fuck he's doing with all this stuff, but I understand it.
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And I could save the fucking world.
00:31:36
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And like that is, there's something, there's something so wish fulfillment-y about the way he makes movies and about the kinds of stories he tells.
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So I was his age when I saw it.
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And I think,
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And then also, so we got the VHS and it's also just that thing of like, what are the VHS's you own?
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And what is the VHS that you own that stays at your grandmother's house so you watch it every time you're at your grandmother's house?
00:32:06
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And then that movie becomes Pantheon.
00:32:09
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That movie gathers together into the plastic of its casing all of this importance and all of this lore and all of this experience that comes along with it.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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So I look at it.
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I look at it now and like I'll probably be the harshest about the things that don't make sense.
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And I also love it the most because because because it has so much life in it.
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And also because and one of the things that the big thing I'll say.
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that I will sort of like riff on as we go through, because this is what I spent an hour writing about basically, is that before this, I was doing my homework.
00:32:52
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But before this, I was thinking about it in terms of theme and variations.
00:32:57
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And so the first two movies establish a lot of themes and a lot of, they establish a lot of tropes
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and a lot of visuals and a lot of events and a lot of themes.
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And then this movie takes, I would say, every single one of those tropes, themes, images, events, and explodes them out to their most extreme expression.
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And that is what I love it for.
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That in no way...
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was the fantasy of the first two movies try to stay pretty grounded.
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And that is what rewards them in the end with pathos.
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We get an event in each of the first two movies that really touches the heart.
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In the first movie, Kevin says, I want you to tell Santa, I don't actually want any of the things I asked for.
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I just want my family back.
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and I'm in buckets.
00:33:50
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Like I am in, so like, and so I watched the first two movies the first couple of days of this week and I was like in absolute just like floods.
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And then the second movie, Catherine O'Hara has this great moment.
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She says, do you have kids?
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If your child was missing, what would you be doing?
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And the cop says, well, I'd probably be doing exactly what you're doing.
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And buckets again, and like finds him at the tree.
00:34:13
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And so there's these great moments of pathos, which Home Alone 3 does not earn in the slightest.
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What it gives up in pathos, it earns in the daring to say, we're already making a fantasy.
00:34:27
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Let's make a fucking wild one.
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Absolutely.
00:34:32
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Yeah.
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I agree.
00:34:34
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Austin, these are my first thoughts.
00:34:35
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Austin, you go first.
00:34:36
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:37
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Hold on.
00:34:38
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I'm going to time out real quick.
00:34:40
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I'm hearing a little bit of reverb from somebody, and I don't know what that is.
00:34:47
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I hear nothing.
00:34:48
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You weren't hearing anything.
00:34:49
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I might just be wrong.
00:34:51
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I didn't hear anything either.
00:34:52
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Okay, cool.
00:34:53
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We'll just have an edit point here.
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Okay.
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I'm leaving that in.
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Okay, please.
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Edit point.
00:34:58
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If Joe leaves it in, great.
00:35:01
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That's in the spirit of Home Alone 2, a movie which they left a lot of stuff in.
00:35:05
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So my experience of this.
00:35:07
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So I'm almost positive that this is the first Home Alone movie I ever saw.
00:35:12
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Mm-hmm.
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um and i think it's because of what andy's saying it's because we had the vhs at home i don't think we had the first two on vhs no i remember i remember this is a big disney clamshell um you know with the big white border shell yeah the the big thank you um the big the big clam showcase and
00:35:31
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Come on, Red, that's inappropriate, man.
00:35:33
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What are you going to do?
00:35:34
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You know, it's what I expect from him at this point.
00:35:36
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Go yell at the Oscars.
00:35:39
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We'll talk about that later.
00:35:40
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But so to me, this was the platonic ideal of what this kind of movie can be.
00:35:48
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And I totally agree with what Andy's saying.
00:35:50
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It's, you know, when we were kids, Andy and I were just talking about this a couple weeks ago, we were held to extremely high standards in terms of our performance and our educational performance.
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We were expected to make really good grades.
00:36:03
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It was not even a question.
00:36:04
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It wasn't like, what did you, it was like,
00:36:06
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the standards are really high because our parents knew that we were smart.
00:36:10
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Um, and our sisters were the same way.
00:36:12
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It's like, you know, everybody was held to very high standards.
00:36:14
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And so the idea of this kid who can save the world and find this, you know, insane missile chip that will, you know, lead to the resurrection or not the resurrection, but like the, the, the saving of the world, it really leads to the resurrection of Christ.
00:36:30
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That's a movie by this, by the saving of the world, inevitably, you know, if,
00:36:35
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Home Alone 3 is a faith-based film.
00:36:38
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Jesus came back in the Air Force.
00:36:40
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He can tell us... Absolutely.
00:36:42
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Home Alone 4 is like the Da Vinci Code.
00:36:45
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I would love it.
00:36:46
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So I think like
00:36:48
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For me, it was very much like it's a VHS we kept at my Mimi's house, our dad's mom.
00:36:56
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And I watched it.
00:36:58
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I texted Joel that I was re-watching it for the thousandth time.
00:37:02
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I would bet that I've seen this movie a hundred times.
00:37:06
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It's not outlandish for me to think that.
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And so...
00:37:11
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It's just like it's built into me.
00:37:13
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And so I've had such a pleasure, and Andy has had this as well, since we've had nieces and nephews of showing them this movie.
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And having them watch it from a current perspective.
00:37:24
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And they love it because of its sort of really childish moments.
00:37:28
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And its sort of silliness.
00:37:30
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Because it is very silly.
00:37:32
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In a way that I would say the first two are more grounded.
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And a little less.
00:37:35
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They have silliness.
00:37:37
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But this movie because of its outlandish nature.
00:37:39
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Has a tremendous amount of silliness at its core.
00:37:45
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Because
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it has to.
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It's extremity.
00:37:48
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And so.
00:37:50
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Yeah, I think it was my... There is also a moment of pathos.
00:37:55
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For sure.
00:37:56
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There is that moment.
00:37:57
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Miss Hess.
00:37:58
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Yeah, yeah.
00:38:01
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After they literally try to fucking kill that old woman.
00:38:04
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Yeah, it's crazy.
00:38:05
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Well, that's the other thing, too.
00:38:06
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I do not think that it's pathos, but it's trying to be.
00:38:09
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No, it is.
00:38:10
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It is.
00:38:10
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It is trying to be, but it's like, it's, it's intense in its storytelling.
00:38:15
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And I think that also, it's funny to think about this movie now, because I, I will be with Andy in that, like, I will go harder at its problems than I ever would have when I was a child, obviously, but it's because of my love for it.
00:38:31
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It's because of my care for it, but it's also because like,
00:38:36
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I appreciate so much what it's attempting to do.
00:38:40
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I mean, I cannot imagine in my brain, the mountains of cocaine that were consumed by John Hughes writing this movie.
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Like it's the first two are in comparison.
00:38:53
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They're like fucking like,
00:38:56
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It's like watching a fucking Abbas Kurastami movie.
00:38:59
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Watching the first two movies if you compare it to this one.
00:39:01
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It's like absolutely insane how grounded the first two are and how realistic they are.
00:39:09
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Because they're about petty thieves.
00:39:11
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They're about these sort of like, you know, fringe characters who just want to rob houses or rob toy stores or rob whatever.
00:39:20
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And it's like, this movie is about a team of international...
00:39:26
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like assassin, assassin care S characters who are sort of like, I think we're led to believe in my perspective that they have been like excommunicated from their organizations, um, and are now tasked with just making money and they're working for a North Korean terrorist, North Korean terrorist organization.
00:39:48
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And like, um,
00:39:50
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That's batshit that that was the step up between two and three.
00:39:55
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Yeah, I feel the exact same way.
00:39:56
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Yeah, it's completely insane.
00:39:58
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But to me, having seen this one first, when I went and watched the first two, when I was a kid, I was like, oh, these are pretty tame.
00:40:06
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Like I kind of want to get back to the extremity.
00:40:08
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And I think that's a skeleton key for my movie watching now.
00:40:13
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Honestly, like I think this movie has a lot to say for what I like in movies and what I respond to in movies, which is a level of like, I think my love for Babylon, a movie that I love can be traced to Home Alone 3.
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Like in a real way, in a real way.
00:40:30
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And so, yeah, I was going to say my only real complaint with this movie is that they didn't get a freak to direct it.
00:40:37
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Like, like the directing is so boring compared to how batshit insane the script is.
00:40:42
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Yeah.
00:40:43
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I think Roger Gosnell found his freak later in the Scooby Doo movies.
00:40:47
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Oh, yeah.
00:40:48
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But like if you if you redid this movie with like.
00:40:53
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Like a pre or like a post Evil Dead to Sam Raimi, this is the best movie of all time.
00:40:59
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100 percent.
00:40:59
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That would be fantastic.
00:41:00
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I mean, my letterbox review of this movie, which Zach saw, I know he saw because he liked it was the last time I watched it.
00:41:08
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Not this time, but I watch I watch it every year at least once because it's very important to me.
00:41:13
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It was this is John Hughes's best script.
00:41:15
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Prove me wrong.
00:41:17
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And I don't necessarily think that's true, but it's, I think it's ambitions are so much greater than anything else he ever wrote.
00:41:28
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And that to me is very meaningful.
00:41:30
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And I'm going to quit talking now because I feel like I've been talking for half an hour, but I, you know, it's, this movie is very important to me.
00:41:36
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And I, I texted you all this last night, but I very much appreciate everybody showing up to talk about a movie that's very important to Andy and I.
00:41:44
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Because it's a silly, stupid fucking movie.
00:41:47
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You know what?
00:41:47
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I appreciate it because of a very particular reason.
00:41:51
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I saw Home Alone one time before this week.
00:41:56
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Really?
00:41:56
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Like, when I was a kid, literally.
00:41:58
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Oh, great.
00:42:00
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When I was growing up, my repeat that's in a very similar vein was Dennis the Menace.
00:42:06
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Oh, yeah.
00:42:06
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I watched that one over and over.
00:42:09
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So this is like the second time I'd seen Home Alone in two and three.
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And I'm just going to say, I think these are masterpieces of movies.
00:42:20
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Amen, brother.
00:42:21
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Amen.
00:42:22
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Genuinely, I think they are amazing.
00:42:25
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Because there's one thing that these three movies understand better than any other movie.
00:42:29
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And it's really funny to see people get hit by things.
00:42:34
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Absolutely.
00:42:34
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I'm also going to take this moment to say again, all of y'all need to watch hundreds of beavers for the year.
00:42:41
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Andy just texted me that list last week.
00:42:43
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I just watched it.
00:42:44
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Oh my God, it was spectacular.
00:42:46
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I don't know how to describe it.
00:42:48
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You have to behold it.
00:42:49
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I heard people rave about it.
00:42:51
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I'll fire it up.
00:42:52
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Sure.
00:42:53
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Oh, my God.
00:42:54
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You will have so much fun.
00:42:56
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You will you will die.
00:42:57
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You will die and go to heaven.
00:42:59
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And that's where you're watching hundreds of beavers.
00:43:02
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Again, faith based podcast.
00:43:04
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I have to be honest.
00:43:08
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I love hijinks.
00:43:09
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I love watching people get hit.
00:43:11
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I love all of those things.
00:43:13
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Gang, it takes so long to get to the hijinks.
00:43:18
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It takes like 45 minutes.
00:43:23
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You do get to look at the kid's mom several times, and she's a certified daddy.
00:43:29
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Here's the thing.
00:43:30
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The two main characters in this movie are absolute baddies.
00:43:34
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The mom and the, what is her name?
00:43:37
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Mrs. Hess.
00:43:38
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No, well, Mrs. Hess, obviously.
00:43:40
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But Alice.
00:43:40
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Alice is the character name.
00:43:42
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Alice, Alice.
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Maria Kielstedt.
00:43:44
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Just incredible baddies.
00:43:46
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Oleg Krupa plays the head of the organization or the team that's recruiting them.
00:43:54
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You also get to hear lines.
00:43:56
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Red, respected.
00:43:58
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You get to hear lines such as, when I was in the John, I didn't see anybody in there.
00:44:03
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Like, that is...
00:44:07
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Sorry, I gotta go.
00:44:07
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I think my kid slammed his thing in the toilet again.
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100%.
00:44:13
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Hang on, Joe.
00:44:14
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You gotta go back.
00:44:14
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You gotta go back like 10 seconds in the movie.
00:44:17
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Scarlett Johansson saying Alex slammed his toilet again.
00:44:19
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Scarlett Johansson's
00:44:20
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first line and i don't know if this is her first movie but it's close to being her first i think it's like second i think it's right there movie but like in in one of the first movies she was ever in the first line she says is uh alex slammed his toilet seat down on his thing again yeah that's scarlet fucking johansson doing that no we were that's an oscar nominee we were starting young tarzan yeah yeah we were starting we were starting the movie last night and uh and i was like grace do you want to watch this and she was like yeah yeah sure i'll watch it
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had you shown it to her before andy yeah i i showed it to her okay i thought um i showed her before and uh and and she said um i she said i may fall asleep but not before my favorite line and i said i said oh you mean alex slammed the toilet seat down on his thing again and she said no i said oh wait whoa you smacked my winky you mean you smacked my winky and she said
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She said, you're making fun of me and I don't appreciate it.
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And I said, wait, wait, wait.
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Is it I left my bread in San Francisco?
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And she said, of course it is.
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And it's apropos of nothing.
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The line, like, I was watching it.
00:45:32
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very attentively this time in a way that I haven't in many years.
00:45:36
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It's always just a movie that's on for me, but this time I was like, okay, I need to look at it.
00:45:40
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And the way that she leads into that line, Marion Selby's incredible, iconic Broadway actress, multiple Tony winner, like inconsiderate boob who took my bag.
00:45:51
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She calls her a boob, which is fantastic.
00:45:53
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But literally she says an inconsiderate boob took my bag.
00:45:58
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I left my bread in San Francisco.
00:46:00
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Yeah.
00:46:00
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Like the line makes no goddamn sense.
00:46:04
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And all she's doing is talking to this young boy who just shoveled her driveway.
00:46:06
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I can just hear her talking to the director and being like, this line doesn't, I don't know how to read this line.
00:46:12
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It doesn't make any sense.
00:46:13
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But the thing is, the thing with Marion, she'll make a meal.
00:46:16
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So the thing with Mary Encelde is that I feel like I'm a little bit being taunted by being invited on first for the fog and then for this because I didn't go to the Juilliard school.
00:46:31
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I went to a real grad school.
00:46:36
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oh wow i'm being i'm being i'm being asked to come onto the podcast for two movies in a row with significant cameos by like 40 plus year professors of the juilliard school okay so let it be known andy's first appearance on this show was for dudes rock
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yeah yeah absolutely and he came up twice and i don't think yeah but also i will say for the dudes rock canon i don't think andy picked any nyu grads in his hey hey so he can off hey hey i believe i was i believe i was on i was on board with like somebody was talking about hirsch i believe i was on i was on board with the mahersthila conversation you're on board with mahersthila i'm i'm 100 a billy crude up fan i'm i'm all about billy yeah sure well
00:47:25
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I don't want you thinking this is like stolen valor or anything.
00:47:29
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It's just ridiculous.
00:47:30
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I didn't think it was stolen valor.
00:47:31
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I just thought I was being teased a little bit.
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I mean, Marian Selby is a goddamn legend.
00:47:37
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I like it in this movie when the lady falls in the mud and then the plant hits her twice.
00:47:43
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Incredible.
00:47:44
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And then she wears Santa's face.
00:47:46
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Yeah, and it echoes underneath it.
00:47:49
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Can we talk quickly?
00:47:50
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Go ahead, Josh.
00:47:51
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I would say this movie made me feel stupid in such a fun way.
00:47:54
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Also, I will say, to touch on the sentimentality of this movie, I had the DVD of this movie.
00:48:00
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Great.
00:48:01
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And I wore it the fuck out.
00:48:02
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So I'm in the same boat as you guys.
00:48:04
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I've seen this movie about a hundred times probably as well.
00:48:06
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Fuck yeah.
00:48:08
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Let's go.
00:48:08
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I didn't mention it before because I forgot until I started it up.
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And I was like, oh my God, I've seen this a million times.
00:48:16
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It'll creep up on you.
00:48:18
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I mean, so...
00:48:20
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Oh, shit.
00:48:20
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I forgot what I was going to say.
00:48:21
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But I will go on to another point.
00:48:24
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So my thinking about this movie is that its best moments lie in its most extreme
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moments.
00:48:31
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Yeah.
00:48:32
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Okay.
00:48:32
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So obviously, like when... Much like the films of Michael Mann.
00:48:36
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100%.
00:48:36
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Amen.
00:48:37
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The French extremity movement, including films such as... Joe, you're not allowed to bring up French things.
00:48:44
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I'm sorry.
00:48:44
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You're just not at this point.
00:48:45
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No, I like the French movies when it's just blood.
00:48:49
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French blood.
00:48:50
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Let it be known, I recently listened back to some older versions of this podcast, and Joe keeps getting softer on the French, and I don't like that.
00:48:57
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He does.
00:48:57
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No, it's true.
00:48:58
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Yeah, he started out really fucking railing on them, and I wish he would stick to his fucking guns.
00:49:04
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It's because I haven't seen a Jean-Luc Godard film in a long time, and I have instead watched several French-Canadian films that I actually really fucked with.
00:49:12
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Like Red Rooms?
00:49:13
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Like Red Rooms and Dune Part 2 and Dune Part 1.
00:49:16
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Dune Part 1.
00:49:19
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Yeah, they're pretty good.
00:49:21
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But I think like the moments in this movie that I think back on the most are like when Unger, the sort of, you know, the most sort of the one who works blue in the space of the spy crew.
00:49:39
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And he is like, okay, this kid can't get one over on me.
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And he puts the pliers on the wire.
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And then after...
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an intense sequence that lasts about 35 to 40 seconds.
00:49:52
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Lightning shoots out of his asshole.
00:49:54
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Yeah, it's awesome.
00:49:55
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It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
00:49:58
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Every time I watch this movie, I know it's coming and I'm still shocked by it.
00:50:02
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And then doesn't he fart?
00:50:04
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Which reignites.
00:50:05
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Yeah, he does.
00:50:06
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Yeah, he does.
00:50:06
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Yeah, he's still on him.
00:50:07
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Yeah, exactly.
00:50:08
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He has a little fire fart.
00:50:09
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I will say, speaking to the extremity, one of the things I love about this movie and that I miss from kids' movies is that I feel like they don't make live-action kids' movies like this anymore.
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They're just shitty remakes of movies that were already animated, and they just reanimate them with CGI instead.
00:50:28
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I'm talking to you, Barry Jenkins.
00:50:30
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Get out of there, man.
00:50:31
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Get out of there.
00:50:32
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He called them out, but Barry Jenkins is never coming on the pod.
00:50:36
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They...
00:50:37
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they do the craziest foley.
00:50:41
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Oh, yeah.
00:50:42
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Like, a dude will, like, slide past a door, and then they'll play, like, a bowling sound effect, and then, like, a cat screech.
00:50:50
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It's fucking amazing.
00:50:51
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And they're like, where was the... There's no fucking cats in this movie.
00:50:54
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Why is there a cat screech?
00:50:56
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I love the foley in all three of the first three movies, because every time someone, like...
00:51:02
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pulls something out of their body that should be like impaling them and severely like gushing blood you just hear like a yeah yeah yeah it's one of my favorite to me yeah one of my favorite foley's in in this movie is when alice falls on her back on the on the steps and like crushes all those steps and then she like is walking to like and she adjusts her back and you hear a cracking as though like a branch has just been ripped from a tree
00:51:33
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And before she does like a triple backhand spring.
00:51:36
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Exactly.
00:51:37
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And then falls into the basement.
00:51:39
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Yeah.
00:51:40
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Yeah.
00:51:40
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No, no.
00:51:42
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All the all the stuff like the the pranks are one of the places where there's a lot of this like theme and variation stuff going.
00:51:49
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Yes.
00:51:49
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So obviously, like Daniel Stern gets electrocuted in Lost in New York.
00:51:56
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And when he gets electrocuted, it becomes a Tim Burton movie really fast because you actually like see his skull.
00:52:04
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Yeah, dude, that part's awesome.
00:52:05
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His head is sick with a skull.
00:52:07
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And then they do it in this movie and there's two characters who are being electrocuted.
00:52:11
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At the same time.
00:52:13
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At the same time.
00:52:13
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And they get electrocuted a lot more and for a lot less reason.
00:52:17
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Oh, yeah.
00:52:18
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And it's absolutely wild, but it's like we have all of these little touches, these little things that happen in the first movie and the second movie that then get like blown up in this movie.
00:52:30
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For me, blown up literally.
00:52:32
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Nice red.
00:52:33
Speaker
Up top.
00:52:34
Speaker
Wow.
00:52:35
Speaker
All right.
00:52:35
Speaker
Fuck off.
00:52:37
Speaker
Mrs. Hess.
00:52:37
Speaker
Fuck it.
00:52:39
Speaker
Mrs. Hess is one of the first.
00:52:40
Speaker
Fiss my grits.
00:52:45
Speaker
Mrs. Hess.
00:52:45
Speaker
I'm feeling a little ornery tonight.
00:52:47
Speaker
Mrs. Hess.
00:52:49
Speaker
Mrs. Hess is one of the first elements of this because all three movies have an old person who starts out by being frightening and ominous.
00:52:57
Speaker
Robert's Blossom in the first one.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:00
Speaker
And he steals the show for me.
00:53:01
Speaker
The Bird Lady is one of my favorite characters in the run of one history.
00:53:04
Speaker
The Bird Lady is great.
00:53:05
Speaker
Remind me of her that actress's name, Mandy.
00:53:08
Speaker
I can't remember her name off the top of my head.
00:53:10
Speaker
She won an Oscar for My Left Foot.
00:53:12
Speaker
Susan Boyle.
00:53:13
Speaker
And she was also in Angels in the Outfield.
00:53:15
Speaker
Zach.
00:53:15
Speaker
Angels with Dirty Souls?
00:53:18
Speaker
No, I have to say she was also in Angels in the Outfield, which is another VHS that we kept in our grandmother's house.
00:53:24
Speaker
Same.
00:53:25
Speaker
What the fuck?
00:53:26
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:53:26
Speaker
Joe.
00:53:27
Speaker
So much of the same grandmas.
00:53:29
Speaker
Can we wait real quickly without like going into detail on movies for posterity and looking back at what movie titles come up?
00:53:36
Speaker
Just top of the head.
00:53:38
Speaker
First thing that pops in your mind.
00:53:39
Speaker
What is like the stuck in the VCR movie that comes to mind?
00:53:42
Speaker
You're thinking of Brenda Fricker.
00:53:44
Speaker
Brenda Fricker.
00:53:45
Speaker
Thank you.
00:53:45
Speaker
Angels in the Outfield is my answer.
00:53:48
Speaker
Lion King one and a half.
00:53:50
Speaker
Nice.
00:53:50
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:53:51
Speaker
Really?
00:53:52
Speaker
Mine is Secondhand Lions.
00:53:54
Speaker
Oh, solid.
00:53:55
Speaker
Secondhand Lions.
00:53:56
Speaker
That's a great movie.
00:53:58
Speaker
The weird thing is that I grew up in a family of which my dad loves gear and loves tech, and so we converted to DVD very early.
00:54:07
Speaker
So I don't have very many VHS memories.
00:54:09
Speaker
However, the movie I've seen more than any other movie, and I am now sitting somewhere between 120 and 130 viewings as Ocean's Eleven.
00:54:17
Speaker
Well, the one that when my family switched over to DVD that got stuck in the DVD player was National Treasure.
00:54:23
Speaker
I've seen that movie probably more than any other movie.
00:54:26
Speaker
Oh, Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius.
00:54:28
Speaker
I had the orange VHS.
00:54:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:54:30
Speaker
The Nickelodeon orange VHS.
00:54:31
Speaker
Do we have to relitigate this?
00:54:33
Speaker
Do I have to pull out my signed VHS and script again?
00:54:36
Speaker
wait i think andy was on that episode we talked about that i think he was i think he was and he just brings the boy genius out of all of us i'm very pleased and we can revert back to his boy genius takes on this movie i think i think for me the d the vhs that was stuck in the player was the rocketeer oh yeah yeah great movie yeah i wanted so much i wanted to go back real quick and make a point about um
00:55:03
Speaker
Foley again?
00:55:06
Speaker
I think realistic Foley is bullshit.
00:55:09
Speaker
It's good in movies where you need it, whatever.
00:55:13
Speaker
Foley's an integral part of movies.
00:55:14
Speaker
It's good in The Handmaiden.
00:55:16
Speaker
Yes.
00:55:18
Speaker
Well, but what I was going to say is I rewatched over Halloween this year.
00:55:22
Speaker
I rewatched Adam Wingard's The Guest, which I love a lot.
00:55:25
Speaker
I love that movie.
00:55:26
Speaker
It's just a banger.
00:55:28
Speaker
That movie has such creative foley for no reason.
00:55:31
Speaker
And it comes out of nowhere.
00:55:33
Speaker
Like there's a scene when Dan Stevens is in a bar fight and guys are trying to punch him and he dodges two punches just like by moving his head.
00:55:42
Speaker
And as he dodges the punches, they play a whoosh sound effect.
00:55:47
Speaker
Amazing.
00:55:48
Speaker
And it's like, yeah, no, that's completely out of left field.
00:55:51
Speaker
It's completely unrealistic.
00:55:52
Speaker
However, who gives a shit?
00:55:55
Speaker
It made the fight a thousand times more awesome than
00:55:59
Speaker
You know, it's like, why not?
00:56:01
Speaker
Like, I don't know.
00:56:02
Speaker
Obviously, you should only do it when it calls for it.
00:56:05
Speaker
But we're not making any movies right now where it calls for creative foley.
00:56:11
Speaker
I would disagree only in that I think the foley in a lot of action movies, the beekeeper is the one that comes to mind.
00:56:18
Speaker
The foley in that movie is essential to selling how strong the character is.
00:56:24
Speaker
Same with John Wick.
00:56:26
Speaker
Like, all the John Wick movies feature, like,
00:56:28
Speaker
Just absolutely disgusting bone crack sounds that have no basis in reality.
00:56:33
Speaker
Exactly.
00:56:35
Speaker
Like action movies today live or die on sound design and they live or die on Foley.
00:56:40
Speaker
Mission Impossible Rogue Nation has some of my favorite sound design.
00:56:43
Speaker
Oh, that's a good shout.
00:56:44
Speaker
There's a there's a there's a scene in that movie where they're they're in a they're having a knife fight in this in these pillars.
00:56:50
Speaker
You guys remember that scene?
00:56:51
Speaker
Yes.
00:56:52
Speaker
And when when Tom Cruise finally gets the knife in the chest, it plays a like thwack sound effect that made me physically groan.
00:57:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:01
Speaker
I was like, oh!
00:57:03
Speaker
That's the first Macquarie, right?
00:57:06
Speaker
No.
00:57:06
Speaker
Rogue Nation?
00:57:08
Speaker
Rogue Nation is five, right?
00:57:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:10
Speaker
Ghost Protocol is Brad Bird, and then Rogue Nation is the first Macquarie.
00:57:14
Speaker
I knew four was Brad Bird.
00:57:15
Speaker
I just confused the names.
00:57:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:17
Speaker
Five is Rogue Nation.
00:57:18
Speaker
I think, I mean, the sound design of the sequence in the opera house is one of my favorites, too.
00:57:24
Speaker
That whole sequence, everything that's happening.
00:57:27
Speaker
And I have to say, I was disappointed in the final product of Fallout when Henry Cavill does the hand cocks and they don't have the gun cocking sound effects.
00:57:38
Speaker
They should have.
00:57:39
Speaker
It's a missed opportunity.
00:57:41
Speaker
I really do think that it was a missed opportunity because in the trailer, when they play that sound effect, I went, oh my God, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:57:50
Speaker
And it's the only problem with that sequence.
00:57:53
Speaker
is that that doesn't happen.
00:57:54
Speaker
Speaking of guns cocking... Can you imagine in the year of our Lord 2024 a PG movie with a kid swapping out guns and then holding up a gun?
00:58:06
Speaker
A lot of Glocks in this flick.
00:58:07
Speaker
A lot of Glocks.
00:58:07
Speaker
So here's my thing.
00:58:09
Speaker
The placement... Okay, so...
00:58:13
Speaker
The head of Oleg Krupa's character, whose name I always forget.
00:58:16
Speaker
Peter Beaupre.
00:58:18
Speaker
Beaupre, thank you.
00:58:19
Speaker
Beaupre's character goes to the basement where the washing machine is to look in on the, like, hear it on the phone call between Alex and his mom.
00:58:28
Speaker
And...
00:58:30
Speaker
That's the one thing where I'm like, you could not have prepped this.
00:58:35
Speaker
Everything else in the movie, like in the sort of shenanigan sequence was prepped.
00:58:40
Speaker
He just left his toy gun there.
00:58:42
Speaker
And then Beau Prey was silly enough to set his gun down and then pick up the wrong fucking.
00:58:48
Speaker
Like he couldn't tell the weight was off.
00:58:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:51
Speaker
That's what popped in my mind.
00:58:53
Speaker
And a fucking dart gun.
00:58:56
Speaker
Like, what are we talking about here?
00:58:58
Speaker
Hey, dude, he had a plastic Glock.
00:59:00
Speaker
It's the scene from the first Taken when Neeson literally goes, been a long time since you held one of these, huh?
00:59:07
Speaker
And he's like, you forgot what it feels like when one's loaded?
00:59:10
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:59:11
Speaker
That's so bad.
00:59:12
Speaker
I actually have not seen any of the Taken films.
Home Alone 3 Intricacies
00:59:15
Speaker
What?
00:59:15
Speaker
Oh, I know.
00:59:16
Speaker
That's surprising to me.
00:59:18
Speaker
What the fuck?
00:59:19
Speaker
They're Joe B. Oh, my God.
00:59:20
Speaker
Yeah, you're gonna love it.
00:59:22
Speaker
Andy, I don't think we ever got to what you were saying about Mrs. Hess.
00:59:24
Speaker
I'm so sorry.
00:59:26
Speaker
Please, let's go back to that.
00:59:27
Speaker
I don't mind.
00:59:28
Speaker
Mrs. Hess, to me, so both of the older folks who start out very scary and ominous in the first two movies, they're very nonverbal to start with.
00:59:41
Speaker
And Mrs. Hess is exactly the opposite.
00:59:43
Speaker
She's hyperverbal.
00:59:44
Speaker
She's the verbal version of that.
00:59:46
Speaker
And then, however, in the first two movies, those very nonverbal characters, when they start to get verbal, we get their backstories.
00:59:55
Speaker
And I don't give a shit.
00:59:57
Speaker
Like, you know, and as good as Robert's Blossom is in the first movie, the worst part of Home Alone is when he's telling his sob story about his granddaughter.
01:00:06
Speaker
I am aghast.
01:00:08
Speaker
I love that part, dude.
01:00:09
Speaker
I just don't care because I'm really into the story about Kevin McAllister.
01:00:14
Speaker
That's shocking.
01:00:15
Speaker
It's such a pivotal moment for me when Kevin goes, you should call your son too.
01:00:21
Speaker
Oh, that's a great moment.
01:00:23
Speaker
But how long that sequence takes in the church when all of a sudden we're listening to Robert's Blossom talk about his granddaughter.
01:00:29
Speaker
I'm like, can we get back to the story?
01:00:32
Speaker
I feel like I'm getting electrocuted and there's lightning shooting out of my ass right now.
01:00:39
Speaker
Andy, don't electrocute my ass.
01:00:41
Speaker
I found that sequence.
01:00:43
Speaker
In re-watching them this time, I found that sequence to be my least favorite of that movie.
01:00:48
Speaker
And then the sequence with, sorry, Brenda Fricker, talking about her woes.
01:00:54
Speaker
Fricker?
01:00:56
Speaker
In the opera house?
01:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, to be my least favorite part of that, in like the rafters of Carnegie Hall or whatever.
01:01:03
Speaker
I was like, I just don't care very much about these two sequences.
01:01:06
Speaker
And then in Home Alone 3, thankfully, Mrs. Hess never tells us why she is the angry old retired bitty that she is.
01:01:14
Speaker
An absolute cunt.
01:01:15
Speaker
Why is she so mean?
01:01:18
Speaker
She kind of does.
01:01:18
Speaker
She's always inviting me over to babysit, never just to enjoy eggnog.
01:01:22
Speaker
But she also has the fucking immaculate line, butzer for ashtrays.
01:01:29
Speaker
Oh my god, what am I?
01:01:30
Speaker
I'm like, god bless all the former and current smokers out there are really feeling themselves on this one.
01:01:38
Speaker
It's incredible.
01:01:40
Speaker
I mean, I love I love Mrs. Hess.
01:01:42
Speaker
I think also it's an interesting kind of corollary with the fact that this is a DHS that we kept at our grandmothers.
01:01:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:49
Speaker
Where there's this old woman figure in the movie who, you know, honestly is.
01:01:55
Speaker
Huh?
01:01:56
Speaker
Huh?
01:01:56
Speaker
Did I say that?
01:01:57
Speaker
Oh, Jesus.
01:01:59
Speaker
Mrs. Hess had some sort of physical similarities to Andy and I's grandmother, Audie.
01:02:09
Speaker
Just sort of gaunt, older sort of hunched.
01:02:14
Speaker
Oh, that makes my comments so much funnier.
01:02:16
Speaker
I don't even want to know.
01:02:18
Speaker
I'll listen back to it later and find it.
01:02:20
Speaker
But I...
01:02:23
Speaker
It made that storyline of Mrs. Hess so much more distinctive.
01:02:28
Speaker
And also like...
01:02:30
Speaker
particularly for me and for Andy, but like Andy was kind of older by the time this was really a thing, I think.
01:02:35
Speaker
But like for me, my grandmother was very much in charge of looking after me for a lot of my young life.
01:02:42
Speaker
And so they just make that storyline way more sort of relevant and important and meaningful because of the time that we saw it and the way that that storyline comes about.
01:02:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:56
Speaker
I just love that he calls her an old bird.
01:02:57
Speaker
And then she goes, you're a very sweet boy.
01:03:00
Speaker
And I was like, he just called you an old bird.
01:03:02
Speaker
Like, he was like, this dumb old bitty.
01:03:06
Speaker
You're pretty tough for an old bird.
01:03:07
Speaker
He also saved her fucking life, okay?
01:03:10
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
01:03:10
Speaker
What's the kid's name?
01:03:12
Speaker
Alex.
01:03:12
Speaker
Alex.
01:03:13
Speaker
I want to talk about Alex looking at a cop dead in the face and going, sorry for being a good citizen.
01:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, he's a fucking bad.
01:03:20
Speaker
He's a cab as fuck.
01:03:21
Speaker
Alex.
01:03:24
Speaker
It's on that same vein, like the moment where the main dude, again, forget his name.
01:03:32
Speaker
But when he overhears Kevin on the phone basically waving everyone off like, no, you don't need to come home.
01:03:38
Speaker
He's like, brave kid.
01:03:40
Speaker
Actual admiration on his face.
01:03:42
Speaker
It's really good.
01:03:45
Speaker
Alex for real does like the wave off like ISO ball.
01:03:48
Speaker
He's like, fuck off.
01:03:50
Speaker
I got this shit.
01:03:53
Speaker
At the top of the key, just like two dribbles.
01:03:57
Speaker
He's just like, I got it.
01:03:59
Speaker
I'm picturing this movie now.
01:04:02
Speaker
You're going to have to go with me on this one.
01:04:06
Speaker
I usually do.
01:04:08
Speaker
Picture this movie, but it's a small version of adult Tom Cruise.
01:04:16
Speaker
Oh, beautiful.
01:04:18
Speaker
And he'll just do everything.
01:04:20
Speaker
Just Tom Cruise shrunk.
01:04:22
Speaker
Yeah, and so he's like, I'm just imagining him doing his Tom Cruise run through the house.
01:04:28
Speaker
He does.
01:04:30
Speaker
Okay, the craziest thing about this movie is, in my opinion, there's two things.
01:04:35
Speaker
One is the amount of vantage points that this home has.
01:04:38
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:38
Speaker
The amount of the neighborhood that he's able to see from his own home is outlandish to me.
01:04:43
Speaker
And every time he finds a new angle, I'm fascinated.
01:04:46
Speaker
The other is like the amount that he's able to get done between the time that his mother needs to go to work and the time the criminals come to his house.
01:04:57
Speaker
Right.
01:04:58
Speaker
Like it is insane.
01:05:00
Speaker
He has to fucking move a trampoline.
01:05:04
Speaker
in that time because they show it a little before that.
01:05:06
Speaker
And we outline where the pool's supposed to be and all this shit.
01:05:09
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:05:10
Speaker
Exactly.
01:05:11
Speaker
And which leads to an incredible payoff.
01:05:13
Speaker
We can all agree.
01:05:15
Speaker
But it's like the amount that he's able to do in that time because it shows us very little of his prep before his mother leaves for work.
01:05:22
Speaker
But it's also like
01:05:23
Speaker
I think about this.
01:05:25
Speaker
Another movie that I've seen a million times is Cheaper by the Dozen.
01:05:27
Speaker
The first Cheaper by the Dozen movie.
01:05:29
Speaker
And I think about there's a couple needle drops that I always think about in movies.
01:05:33
Speaker
One is in Cheaper by the Dozen when they have I'm just a kid and life is a nightmare.
01:05:40
Speaker
I think about that all the time.
01:05:41
Speaker
The other one is in this movie when it's
01:05:44
Speaker
This is my town.
01:05:47
Speaker
Watch yourself as you come around.
01:05:49
Speaker
If you're ready to see hell like that, I think about that so often because A, it's perfect.
01:05:56
Speaker
But B, it's probably the first time I heard the word hell used in a movie.
01:05:59
Speaker
It's the most 97.
01:06:01
Speaker
Oh, it's fantastic.
01:06:02
Speaker
It's like it's like a movie in 20 in 2009 or 2010, whenever that song came out, using all American rejects give give the or
01:06:11
Speaker
It gives you hell, whatever that song is called.
01:06:13
Speaker
Like, it's like, it's very... Oklahoma band All-American Rejects.
01:06:15
Speaker
Oh, Jesus Christ.
01:06:16
Speaker
Shut the fuck up.
01:06:17
Speaker
Move along, Joe.
01:06:18
Speaker
Good heavens above.
01:06:19
Speaker
Oh, nice sack.
01:06:20
Speaker
That was a good bit.
01:06:21
Speaker
But I, like, it's, the setup sequence is perfect.
01:06:26
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It's just, to me, I am constantly baffled by the amount that he's able to get done in the time that he's given.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:34
Speaker
To me, that's my guy.
01:06:36
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Yeah.
01:06:36
Speaker
I think it's... Good.
01:06:38
Speaker
Oh, this is just real quick.
01:06:39
Speaker
I think the part of the Home Alone franchise that Tom Cruise has got to be the most jealous of is when Macaulay Culkin ziplines from the house to the treehouse.
01:06:48
Speaker
That's some fucking Ethan shit.
01:06:50
Speaker
100%.
01:06:50
Speaker
Also, how cold is it in Chicago, this one?
01:06:54
Speaker
I also want to say, I forgot to mention this.
01:06:56
Speaker
It's very cold.
01:06:57
Speaker
I know that it gets very cold in Chicago.
01:06:59
Speaker
However,
01:07:01
Speaker
It is like the fact that these gentlemen get frozen into the pool so quickly is insane.
01:07:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:07
Speaker
All right, Andy.
01:07:09
Speaker
That's where Red suspends his disbelief.
01:07:11
Speaker
That's where he can.
01:07:12
Speaker
I was with you.
01:07:13
Speaker
I was with you up to then.
01:07:16
Speaker
But I... No, but you get those little... I think I forgot to bring up at the beginning of this discussion is I was going to reference, like, the first two movies are Christmas films.
01:07:28
Speaker
This is a January movie.
01:07:30
Speaker
But it's still... It's still a Christmas movie.
01:07:33
Speaker
I know, like, one Christmas song, right?
01:07:36
Speaker
No, I think I think it very intentionally is set up that it's after Christmas.
01:07:40
Speaker
Right.
01:07:40
Speaker
Well, because yeah, because the opening the like when they first go to see the cab driver at the beginning, he says that all the trees are on the curb.
01:07:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:49
Speaker
Like that's a very intentional move that all the trees are out of the house.
01:07:53
Speaker
But I did not realize that, honestly, until I was in my 20s.
01:07:57
Speaker
Like, I did not realize that it was supposed to be post-Christmas until I was in my 20s.
01:08:01
Speaker
Because all the Christmas lights are still up, which makes sense because you don't want to go out and take them down when it's cold.
01:08:05
Speaker
But...
01:08:07
Speaker
It still counts for me.
01:08:09
Speaker
It's close enough.
01:08:12
Speaker
Andy's been sitting on a thought for five minutes now.
01:08:15
Speaker
It's okay.
01:08:15
Speaker
Don't worry about me.
01:08:16
Speaker
I'm fine, but thank you.
01:08:17
Speaker
No, no.
01:08:18
Speaker
I was on that subject.
01:08:20
Speaker
I think I only realized it when I was finally actually listening to Karen, the mom, tell the cop that we got him a police set, not this Christmas, but last Christmas.
01:08:32
Speaker
I was like, oh, this Christmas has already passed.
01:08:35
Speaker
This Christmas was a few days ago.
01:08:37
Speaker
Also, Andy and I's mom's name is Karen, another way that we relate to this movie.
01:08:42
Speaker
Also, the main character's name is Alex.
01:08:44
Speaker
All of us are A names.
01:08:45
Speaker
So, you know, just infinite ways that we relate to this movie.
01:08:48
Speaker
But the thing about how much he gets done to me is another expression of this same thing of like, we're making a child have like a special mechanical aptitude.
01:09:01
Speaker
Macaulay Culkin has it.
01:09:04
Speaker
And so does Alex D. Lins.
01:09:07
Speaker
If we're going to do that at a six out of 10, why not do it at 11?
01:09:11
Speaker
Why not really go fucking ham on it and just say like, he can do all these things.
01:09:16
Speaker
If he could do those few crazy things,
01:09:19
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I was about to say, he can do all things through Christ who gives him strength.
01:09:22
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All thrings.
01:09:24
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All thrings.
01:09:25
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So jot that down.
01:09:27
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It really builds that out to where it's like, he's actually Val Kilmer and real genius.
01:09:35
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In this movie, though, and this is the thing about, to your point from earlier, Joe, I've been thinking about what you were saying about get a real freak to direct it.
01:09:44
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I think that
01:09:45
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getting the guy who edited Home Alone 1 and 2 to direct this movie is what makes it possible for those sequences to function.
01:09:55
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Because there are so many machines in this movie, like especially in the trap sequence.
01:10:01
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There's so many like bizarre, like Rube Goldberg machines that shouldn't physically
01:10:09
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and visually shouldn't make any sense, but he gives you just enough visual information and just enough good foley that I can tell everything that's happening.
01:10:17
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And I'm never lost visually in that.
01:10:20
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And also, but like the other funny thing about it being directed by an editor is the movie has three editors and I don't know why.
01:10:29
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I like that.
01:10:30
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There's a few games that screams problems in the editing room.
01:10:33
Speaker
I feel like there is one person whose whole job it was to preserve the continuity of the RC car.
01:10:40
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Well, yeah, that's definitely genuinely.
01:10:43
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Yeah.
01:10:43
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And that person was employed by Hasbro.
01:10:46
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Yeah.
01:10:47
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They were not they were not part of the movie, except they were just like the car must be in 88 percent of these shots.
01:10:52
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Yeah.
01:10:54
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I think we can all I want to place forward an ultimatum I think we can all agree on the best performance in this movie which is by Doris the rat yep what a rat she is incredible when Doris starts laughing oh my god it's fantastic and like the moment where they're like he's kind of negotiating in his own mind his own plan and he's like
01:11:22
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Doris runs into her like she runs against him and he's like if that means run away then you know you're wrong and then she comes back out and she kind of looks at the map and he's like if that means fight you're right and it's like yeah baby that's right and I think the animal performances in this movie across the board are phenomenal a bird in this movie incredible double or nothing
01:11:47
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I've said double or nothing in that voice 8,000 times in real life.
01:11:52
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Like,
Humor and Violence in Film
01:11:53
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truly.
01:11:53
Speaker
The conversation we had last night that I think needs to be rehashed here is just the gentle suggestion that Jason Bourne might have been Kevin McAllister before he got MKUltra'd.
01:12:10
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Oh, interesting.
01:12:12
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I think a really good additional scene to this movie that could be added and just follow along here for a second.
01:12:19
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I think that Alex should have beat one of them to death with a hammer.
01:12:27
Speaker
Like I would have done to E.T.
01:12:29
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with my friends.
01:12:30
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Yeah, well, I'm thinking like the scene in or maybe like the scene in Drive where he stomps that guy's head.
01:12:36
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:12:38
Speaker
What's the Joaquin Phoenix movie?
01:12:41
Speaker
Oh, you were never really here.
01:12:42
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You were never really here.
01:12:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:12:44
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He does.
01:12:45
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He does have a hammer.
01:12:45
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Yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker
What is it?
01:12:46
Speaker
Why doesn't Alex Prout stab their ass with a ballpoint pen?
01:12:50
Speaker
Why doesn't he shoot them with the fucking Glock?
01:12:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:54
Speaker
Well, he never has the actual Glock himself.
01:12:56
Speaker
He sees it.
01:12:57
Speaker
He puts it in the trash.
01:12:58
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He puts it in the trash.
01:12:59
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Exactly.
01:12:59
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He never wants to wield it.
01:13:01
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And I respect it.
01:13:02
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It also gave a ton of kids of a generation an anti-violence stance.
01:13:07
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It said, like, you can threaten.
01:13:08
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No, we didn't really put it.
01:13:10
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No.
01:13:10
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It said you can never act.
01:13:13
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Anti-gun violence, sure, but anti-Rube Goldberg-style cartoon violence is all for that.
01:13:19
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It's all their game.
01:13:20
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I also want to say, no, no, no, I'm going to fucking talk.
01:13:24
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This movie is so important to me.
01:13:25
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So this movie also... Sorry.
01:13:29
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This movie also introduced...
01:13:31
Speaker
a generation of children to Jim Croce.
01:13:34
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That's very important for me to say because the parrot sings bad, bad Leroy Brown.
01:13:40
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And I would never have known anything about Jim Croce.
01:13:44
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He's short lived history, how he died in a fucking plane crash in Natchitoches, Louisiana, where many members of our family and his family live to this day.
01:13:56
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He never died in a plane crash in Natchitoches, Louisiana.
01:13:58
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He had never released Bad Bad Leroy Brown, and then that never would have become a fucking staple of this movie.
01:14:03
Speaker
Is it the parrot sings Bad Bad Leroy Brown?
01:14:05
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So that's all I have to say about that.
01:14:07
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But also, this movie is anti-gun violence.
01:14:11
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Yes.
01:14:12
Speaker
But it is pro-dropping a full-ass fucking weight on two guys' heads.
01:14:17
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It's also a cart full of books.
01:14:19
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Everybody would have died from every moment in this movie.
01:14:23
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Yeah, the way they carry it.
01:14:24
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Bo Prey shoots himself in the ass with a shotgun.
01:14:26
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That's what I was going to bring up next.
01:14:28
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Also, I appreciate that they made Alice mingled when they brought her out afterwards.
01:14:32
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Like, her fucking limbs are all broken and completely.
01:14:35
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Yeah, that's fantastic.
01:14:37
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The lawnmower is the biggest one to me.
01:14:40
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That's a fucking saw trap, man.
01:14:41
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Yeah, a fucking 90s lawnmower that probably weighed 170 pounds.
01:14:46
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What's funny is that that's the opening to Frank and Hooker.
01:14:50
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Oh, fascinating.
01:14:53
Speaker
Someone gets eaten alive by a lawnmower in Frankenhooker.
01:14:57
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It looks just like that.
01:14:57
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It kind of.
01:14:58
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Okay.
01:14:59
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But like that sort of style of like running blade, like...
01:15:06
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The fact that he just comes out of it with a haircut is very funny.
01:15:09
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I think it's a really good way to pull it off because anticipating it, like seeing them bring all those components together, I was like, no fucking way.
01:15:17
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Like that, that's some real violence right there.
01:15:19
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Yeah.
01:15:20
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It's also a great moment of Foley though.
01:15:22
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Like the Foley after when the, when the lawnmower falls on him is really good.
01:15:26
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At what point when the dude gets electrocuted, an entire bandolier of shotgun shells explodes against his torso?
01:15:32
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Yeah, dude.
01:15:33
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Yeah, he would be in halves.
01:15:36
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He would truly be split down.
01:15:39
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But people make those montages of the first two Home Alones and how Daniel Stern and Joe Pesci would have died.
01:15:45
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They gotta watch this.
01:15:47
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Oh, dude.
01:15:47
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Exactly.
01:15:48
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The Corridor crew has a CGI video of showing the injuries if they actually play it out.
01:15:55
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Exactly.
01:15:55
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Whereas in this one, nobody would have made it in the house.
01:15:59
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Yeah.
01:15:59
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Everybody would have been dead immediately.
01:16:01
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It's not even a question.
01:16:02
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There's an interesting...
01:16:04
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There's an interesting version of a movie like this where you kind of like flip it on its head where the movie is sets up like Home Alone.
01:16:11
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And then the very first thing that happens is the kid actually kills two people and then has to live with the fact that he has now like his parents come home and there's just like two bloody corpses on the lawn.
01:16:22
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Yeah, it's how you write that on spec for Shudder.
01:16:25
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It's also like, it's so funny.
01:16:28
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Yeah.
01:16:29
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It's so funny that like, and I know I made a point about the realism of how fucking cold it is in Chicago, is I love that there's also things where it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, who cares?
01:16:41
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Like, any logical family who has a pool in their backyard in Chicago, Illinois, has either drained the pool or put the pool cover on.
01:16:48
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And like, the pool cover is secured all the way around, which I guess in theory Alex could take it off.
01:16:53
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But like, I love that it's like,
01:16:55
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They thought, you know, be really funny, though, is if somebody like fell into the pool and then they got frozen and then they said freeze.
01:17:02
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Like, come on.
01:17:03
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Speaking
Media and Content for Children
01:17:04
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of Ridley Scott, that's exactly what he would say.
01:17:08
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100 percent.
01:17:08
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There are two great freeze moments in this movie.
01:17:11
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The first is with the dog.
01:17:14
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The first is with the dog.
01:17:15
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The first thing.
01:17:16
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Yeah.
01:17:16
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The first time acting the first time they he calls the cops.
01:17:20
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It's like fucking phenomenal.
01:17:22
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And then the dog just pauses.
01:17:23
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Yeah.
01:17:23
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He pauses right there with his paw.
01:17:26
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The second is in the pool.
01:17:28
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And and then we get that beautiful moment where they come out and they're walking through the fence and they get they have those little tutus of ice.
01:17:36
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Yeah.
01:17:36
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And it's like, just fucking.
01:17:39
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Yeah, exactly.
01:17:39
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Come on, popsicle.
01:17:40
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It's fucking, it's fucking incredible.
01:17:43
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I mean, okay.
01:17:44
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So here's my problem with our conversation so far.
01:17:46
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We have not talked enough about you smacked my winky.
01:17:53
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I tried to bring it up earlier.
01:17:54
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There's a lot of penis.
01:17:55
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I'm sorry.
01:17:55
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There's so much to talk about in this movie.
01:17:57
Speaker
There's like a second where I'm like, are we about to see Boobie?
01:18:02
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For sure.
01:18:04
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It's a question worth asking.
01:18:05
Speaker
So before this happens, Unger gets full on shit on.
01:18:13
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he shoots his gun into the sewer line of the house.
01:18:17
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Yes.
01:18:18
Speaker
And he gets shit poured on him.
01:18:20
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He takes his clothes off and replaces his clothes.
01:18:24
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Sorry, my dog is being weird.
01:18:26
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He takes his clothes off and replaces his clothes with the clothes that are on the monkey.
01:18:31
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They're on the sort of like stuffed monkey in the house.
01:18:33
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Disco monkey.
01:18:34
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Disco monkey.
01:18:35
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So he's wearing disco clothes.
01:18:36
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We see the first, the first moment we see it is when he's walking up the steps in the sort of disco pumps.
01:18:42
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And so that awesome shot to incredible shot.
01:18:45
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And then we get a call back after that to the moment where, um,
01:18:52
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Unger.
01:18:53
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No, not Unger.
01:18:53
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Jernigan.
01:18:54
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Jernigan has a hole in his crotch because of the electricity.
01:18:59
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Yes.
01:19:00
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And Doris crawls into the hole.
01:19:02
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Yep.
01:19:03
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And then Alice takes a field hockey stick.
01:19:08
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Mm hmm.
01:19:09
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and hits him in the nuts so this is the moment please in the winky this is the moment i only didn't talk about it because it's the moment that resonated the most andy and i's niece and nephews when we showed them the film yeah they love a good shot oh my god they loved it so much and he's he goes into full fucking castration you know late you know
01:19:32
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17th century church soprano mode.
01:19:36
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And it's phenomenal.
01:19:38
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Yeah, exactly.
01:19:40
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They just cut that shit off.
01:19:44
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Ariana Grande on SNL.
01:19:46
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Did y'all see that one?
01:19:47
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Oh, yeah, that was good.
01:19:48
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You know what this means, Austin, is that you and Andy should show your niece and nephew the cup test from Jackass Forever, where Francis and Don.
01:19:56
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Oh, that's a great call.
01:19:57
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You should watch Conclave with your niece and nephew.
01:19:59
Speaker
Dude, all of Danger Aaron's nut stunts are...
01:20:02
Speaker
There's so much stuff that I want to show our niece and nephews.
01:20:06
Speaker
And I'm very glad that our oldest sister, who's the mother of our niece and nephews will never listen to this podcast because she doesn't know that it exists.
01:20:13
Speaker
And she will never know that it exists.
01:20:15
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If I have any power in this world.
01:20:18
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But our other sister, our other sister knows it exists.
01:20:21
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I told her about it.
01:20:22
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She won't listen because I requested that she doesn't.
01:20:24
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And she respects me.
01:20:25
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Our other sister does not have that level of respect for me.
01:20:28
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And so she would listen, even if I asked her not to, but,
01:20:33
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There is so much shit that I would love to show our oldest nephew, Grayson.
01:20:39
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And I will eventually find the moments.
01:20:41
Speaker
How old is he?
01:20:42
Speaker
He's 13.
01:20:43
Speaker
Okay, yeah.
01:20:44
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He's getting there.
01:20:45
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I will find the moments.
01:20:46
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The problem is that neither Andy... Well, yeah, but Andy and I are the ones who would show him shit, and we're the ones who live far away.
01:20:54
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So that's the problem.
01:20:55
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But we will find those moments eventually.
01:20:57
Speaker
Dude, I find out the shit that 13-year-olds are watching every single day, and it's...
01:21:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's not censored.
01:21:04
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No, it's not.
01:21:05
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But you don't know our sister.
01:21:06
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Our sister is Mary.
01:21:07
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No, I know for sure.
01:21:08
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Yeah, she's intense about it.
01:21:10
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I mean, God bless her.
01:21:11
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I love her, but it's a problem.
01:21:13
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Just because I want to ask you guys if you guys have seen something.
01:21:16
Speaker
You brought up the monkey, the disco monkey.
01:21:17
Speaker
Have you guys seen the what the fuck gay little monkey meme?
01:21:23
Speaker
No, what is that?
01:21:24
Speaker
What are you talking about?
01:21:24
Speaker
Can you guys just do a quick Google for me?
01:21:26
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Yeah, I'm going to exit out of this car real quick.
01:21:29
Speaker
Did red just fall out of the frame?
01:21:31
Speaker
It looked like red just fell out.
01:21:32
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No, red's out of here.
01:21:33
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Just do a quick Google show.
01:21:35
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Okay, what the fuck?
01:21:36
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Just do WTF, gay little monkey.
01:21:38
Speaker
Okay, I'm Googling.
01:21:40
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I just want to hear your earnest reactions.
01:21:43
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It was the first thing that came up when I tied to WTF, gay.
01:21:47
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I got to get back.
01:21:48
Speaker
Gay little monkey boy at Apple Store?
01:21:50
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Yep, that's all I know about meme.
01:21:53
Speaker
The gay little monkey at the Apple store?
01:21:56
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What the fuck am I looking at, Joe?
01:21:58
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I need you to give some context.
01:22:01
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There's no context.
01:22:03
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It's a gay little monkey.
01:22:04
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It's just a picture.
01:22:05
Speaker
There's no video?
01:22:06
Speaker
No.
01:22:07
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It's a picture of a little kid in a monkey costume at the Apple store.
01:22:10
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The caption says, I mean, it looks fabulous.
01:22:14
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It looks great.
01:22:16
Speaker
This is like one of my favorite pictures of all time.
01:22:18
Speaker
And I referenced it in front of a group of very normal people.
01:22:21
Speaker
And they were like, what is that?
01:22:23
Speaker
That was a mistake.
01:22:24
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I was like, you guys don't know what the fuck gay little monkey.
01:22:30
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That was an utter mistake on your mind, Joe.
01:22:34
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I had to pull up my phone and go, look.
01:22:36
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And they looked at me and they went, yeah, I guess.
01:22:39
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I'm like, no, that's gay little monkey.
01:22:43
Speaker
I'm starting to think podcasting is a mistake I will say that's the only thing I thought when he pulled that monkey out of the thing I was like oh what the fuck gay little monkey I will say when I was I was home for Thanksgiving last week and I got the text from Red that we were charted in Pakistan we were number 51 on the Pakistan arts and you know whatever podcast charts which is hilarious yeah
01:23:11
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Hey, shout out to our fans.
01:23:13
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Yeah, shout out to Pakistan.
01:23:14
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We love you.
01:23:16
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But I was laughing about it.
01:23:17
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And my sister, Anna, who knows about the podcast, was like, what's going on?
01:23:21
Speaker
And I told her and Adrian, our other sister, was there.
01:23:26
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And she was like, what's going on?
01:23:27
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I was like, nothing.
01:23:28
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No, you don't need to worry about it.
01:23:30
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You don't need to ever know that this exists at all.
01:23:33
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My mom.
01:23:33
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And we love, Andy and I love our sister.
01:23:35
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She ever hears this, Adrian, we love you so much.
01:23:38
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You're very important to us, but like, you still never need to know that this exists.
01:23:42
Speaker
My mom, the other day when I was over there for dinner with Maddie was like, uh,
01:23:48
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She's like, Joe, I saw your podcast on your Instagram story.
01:23:50
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I tried to find it, but I couldn't find it.
01:23:51
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I went, Mom, I'm going to stop you right there.
01:23:53
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You're not allowed to listen to it.
01:23:55
Speaker
She went, what do you mean?
01:23:56
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I went, it's got a lot of things that you don't want to hear in it.
01:24:00
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I say them, and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
01:24:03
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I'm not going to stop.
01:24:06
Speaker
I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
01:24:07
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I've said some very heinous things in this podcast, and I just don't want you to hear it because you still respect me.
01:24:13
Speaker
I knew that my dad had listened to the first couple episodes just out of supportive father mode, but now we're months into this shit, and he'll occasionally text me about a current episode.
01:24:24
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I'm like, yo, you're still listening to this?
01:24:28
Speaker
It's truly my nightmare for my father to hear this.
01:24:32
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I don't want to think about that.
01:24:34
Speaker
My mom sometimes will text me and will say...
01:24:38
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hey, how's your podcast going?
01:24:39
Speaker
And I'm like, great.
01:24:41
Speaker
And that's it.
01:24:42
Speaker
Yep.
01:24:42
Speaker
We actually ended it.
01:24:43
Speaker
We actually canceled it.
01:24:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's actually not existing anymore.
01:24:46
Speaker
No need to check in.
01:24:47
Speaker
My mom doesn't listen to podcasts, so it's very convenient.
01:24:51
Speaker
She has no interest in a podcast in general, and she follows, like, why would I listen to a podcast if I've never seen any of these movies?
01:24:57
Speaker
So it's perfect.
01:24:58
Speaker
Fair.
01:24:58
Speaker
Very fair.
01:25:00
Speaker
But I...
01:25:01
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I've told this story offline and I will say it now because I know that somebody from work is going to listen to this.
01:25:09
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Two of our sales reps for Sendero found out about the podcast and they recently in an email referred to me specifically as Paddington Gone Wild.
01:25:20
Speaker
Yeah.
01:25:23
Speaker
They're like, oh, how's Paddington Gone Wild doing?
01:25:25
Speaker
And they didn't mean like the pod, they meant me.
01:25:27
Speaker
Yeah.
01:25:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:25:29
Speaker
That's incredible.
01:25:30
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I think I was telling Maddie about this the other day because I was like, I'm pretty sure I want to go back and get my PhD so I can be a film professor.
01:25:38
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I think that's like one of my ultimate dreams.
01:25:40
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And I was thinking like, okay, so what do I need to do to get like
01:25:44
Speaker
Ready to apply for PhD programs like okay so I need to either write some stuff and get it put on the internet for people to see I can, you know, I could read would publish of my writing if I wrote it, I could start a sub stack all this kind of stuff like you know there's a lot of ways for me to get my writing on the internet.
01:25:59
Speaker
Also, I have a film podcast but you're not allowed to listen to it because you won't accept me into your film program.
01:26:05
Speaker
I've told all of you that I'm applying to seminary and if any of those people ever hear this, I am fucked.
01:26:13
Speaker
You gotta wait until you get in.
01:26:15
Speaker
Exactly, and then I'll share.
01:26:17
Speaker
I'm pretty sure Joe belittling someone J.K.
01:26:19
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Simmons in whiplash style over their opinions on Southland Tales.
01:26:24
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And he should.
01:26:25
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He should.
01:26:26
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I mean, he did it to me.
01:26:27
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Everybody else should be subjected to the same tyranny.
01:26:29
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One time at Baylor, when I was teaching, a student, like, literally, we were... I was going... The first day of class, and I was doing my classic, like, okay, guys, uh...
01:26:39
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We're going to do that.
01:26:40
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We're going to do the opening thing that we use that you usually do in film classes.
01:26:43
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This is a freshman level class.
01:26:44
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We're just going to do it.
01:26:45
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Name, grade, major, and then favorite movie.
01:26:49
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I know it's a boring question, but I genuinely want to know.
01:26:52
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And then before they were about to start, and actually, hold on.
01:26:54
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I'm just going to say before you start, if any of you say anything like breathless or the four or five or four blows or like the bicycle or something like this, I know you're lying.
01:27:10
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And it doesn't work on me because I did that.
01:27:13
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Yeah.
01:27:13
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I said, don't, don't any of you say any pretentious things to me because actually tell me your favorite movie.
01:27:18
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What's your actual favorite movie?
01:27:19
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And the first person went, uh, cars too.
01:27:21
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And I went, that's a real answer.
01:27:23
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No, it's not cars.
01:27:27
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It sucks.
01:27:27
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The worst, the worst cars movie.
01:27:29
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Andy.
01:27:30
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Oh, one more.
01:27:32
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The first time I accidentally cursed in the class, I was like, uh, someone was like, um, Hey,
01:27:40
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was that thing due yesterday?
01:27:42
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And I went, ah, fuck.
01:27:44
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Yes.
01:27:45
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And then all of them went, and I went, guys, it's college.
01:27:49
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Yeah, come for all adults.
01:27:50
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I've let it slip in front of a middle school class.
01:27:53
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Of course.
01:27:54
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You can recover pretty fucking quick, dude.
01:27:56
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Yeah.
01:27:57
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What are you gonna do?
01:27:58
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Andy, you never told us why you were clean shaven.
01:28:02
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Oh, um, yeah.
01:28:04
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It actually relates to age.
01:28:06
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Please.
01:28:07
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I had an audition today for an AARP commercial.
01:28:11
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Hell yeah.
01:28:14
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Oh, yeah.
01:28:15
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For the listeners, Andy is 35 years old.
01:28:21
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I'm 35 years old.
01:28:23
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I want to shout out AARP because they have a running list where they compile all the little internet games like Wordle and all those little things.
01:28:32
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That's awesome.
01:28:33
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And sometimes Wordle is not enough for me and I need a little more.
01:28:36
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So I go play Flaggle, Wordle.
01:28:39
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the art artle is my new challenge you have to guess the artist from the painting amazing it's very hard i'm really just learning more than anything else i was uh i was on my way to the audition and i stopped for a cup of coffee in midtown i was at culture 36 on 36th street which is a place austin knows about because it has the best chocolate chip cookie in new york the most perfect salted chocolate cookie you levain
01:29:06
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I love, don't get me wrong.
01:29:07
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I love Levain Bakery is great, but culture is the best.
01:29:10
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Terrific, but culture espresso on 36th street has the best cookie.
01:29:14
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I agree.
01:29:15
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So I stopped in there to get a cup of coffee and one of my classmates from grad school, Brandon Dial was in there and I walked up and I said, Hey,
01:29:23
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And Brandon is this beautiful, he is live action Hercules, the musical on stage.
01:29:34
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That's Brandon.
01:29:35
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Brandon is the most beautiful, broad-shouldered Adonis.
01:29:41
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And I said, so what are you up to?
01:29:45
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And he's like, oh, I was doing this audition for this play called The Triumph of Love.
01:29:50
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And I was like, that's great.
01:29:52
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That's fantastic.
01:29:53
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And he said, what are you doing?
01:29:54
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And I said, I'm going to go do an AARP commercial.
01:29:58
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And he literally gasped.
01:30:05
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And he was like, that's a mistake.
01:30:09
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It's a mistake.
01:30:11
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I was like, no, no, no.
01:30:13
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I'm like the 28 to 32 year old guy in the AARP commercial.
01:30:18
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And I get to the commercial taping and I haven't done like an in-person audition for anything in a long time, especially not for a commercial.
01:30:25
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And so I go into the office and like they're doing this for commercials.
01:30:29
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Sometimes they'll just be like, you'll get the material when you get there.
01:30:32
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And I think about that and I'm like, no.
01:30:35
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But it's like, it's two lines.
01:30:36
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And I see that I haven't seen anything about like, what it is, I show up, and I'm playing a guy who works in an office with a shark.
01:30:49
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Cool.
01:30:50
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There is a there is a shark man who works in the office.
01:30:53
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And Oh, that's
01:30:55
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a shark man there's like a wait he's a shark please he's a shark shark mr shark dr ferris sharkman uh-huh uh-huh um finis finis shark oh finish sharkman i'm so sorry but he uh at least pronounce it right joe come on i'm so sorry but he so so i like go up and like ask him where the conference room is and then he's like having a hard time sitting at his desk and i i say like uh do you ever thought about a standing desk and he says i'm a fish not a miracle worker
01:31:24
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And I don't know how this relates.
01:31:28
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I don't know how it relates to retired people.
01:31:31
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I have no idea.
01:31:33
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I just know that that's what I did with my afternoon.
01:31:36
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And I needed to be clean shit.
01:31:37
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That is what BoJack Horseman should have been.
01:31:40
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Yeah.
01:31:41
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Like a live action show where it's just like really incredibly normal shit that happens, but there's just like horse people and shark people just all around.
01:31:51
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Like BoJack Horseman, when I was an edgy teenager, was everything I needed it to be.
01:31:57
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But as you get older, you realize that it's fucking like garbage.
01:32:00
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Like what is this shit?
01:32:01
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It's just kind of like...
01:32:02
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Yeah, it's antiquated.
01:32:03
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It's just Will Arnett going, am I a bad person?
01:32:09
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I'm processing my grief.
01:32:12
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Doesn't he fucking kill himself in the end or something?
01:32:14
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He should have killed himself in episode one.
01:32:16
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He would have saved us from a stupid fucking show.
01:32:18
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Andy, what's the second reason that you shaved yourself?
01:32:23
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I shaved today, but I had shaved earlier in the week because I was auditioning to play a nervous billionaire on Elspeth.
01:32:32
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:32:32
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We talked about this on CBS.
01:32:35
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So I've done, I've now done six auditions for Elsbeth.
01:32:39
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And over the course of- So a peek into the industry for you guys.
01:32:43
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Yeah, yeah.
01:32:44
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So, I mean, I'm very happy to keep getting brought in for this show.
01:32:49
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The casting director likes you.
01:32:51
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The casting director likes me.
01:32:52
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I like her.
01:32:53
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We had a class with her at school and she's a really excellent teacher.
01:32:58
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And I think she's good at her job.
01:33:01
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But this is her first show that she is the casting director for.
01:33:06
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And so I've been in for it six times.
01:33:08
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And the last one that I did for it was the best script that I'd done.
01:33:15
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And then this one was just another co-star, but it was like this
01:33:20
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billionaire who's nervous about sort of like people finding out that one of his consultants is actually a prostitute.
01:33:27
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And so there's a there's this sequence where there's three billionaires, one who's like a 30 year old, 30 year old billionaire.
01:33:35
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There's a 60 year old billionaire and there's an 80 year old billionaire.
01:33:38
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And they all have the same prostitute as a consultant.
01:33:42
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That's really fun.
01:33:43
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That's awesome.
01:33:44
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That's a great bit.
01:33:45
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Let me ask you a question.
01:33:46
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You ever been brought in for an SVU audition yet?
01:33:48
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I have indeed.
01:33:49
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Oh, let me tell you a story.
01:33:51
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Let me tell you a story about an SVU audition.
01:33:53
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Oh my goodness.
01:33:54
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So I, unfortunately I haven't been, I haven't gone into the office for an SVU audition, but I've done a couple of them on tape.
01:34:02
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I helped to record one of them.
01:34:03
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Exactly.
01:34:03
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This is the story I'm going to tell.
01:34:04
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So I'm staying, I'm staying with Austin in Waco.
01:34:07
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This is about a year ago.
01:34:09
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Yeah, it's last year.
01:34:10
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almost exactly a year ago.
01:34:12
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And I get a text from my manager and he says, I'm sending you sides for an SVU audition.
01:34:22
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You can say no.
01:34:26
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Like we will.
01:34:27
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That's what I was going to ask.
01:34:28
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It wasn't a character that you read and went, ah, oh, you just wait.
01:34:31
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He said, we'll be totally fine.
01:34:34
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Like we, we will not bat an eye if you say no to this opportunity.
01:34:40
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And I said, okay.
01:34:42
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Cause he, he says that sometimes, but usually when Chase says this, he says it about projects that are like,
01:34:50
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He's like, hey, there's this theater thing.
01:34:52
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I don't think it'll move the needle forward for you.
01:34:55
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But if you want to have an opportunity and go and be working and go do a play, I think we would support you to go do this thing.
01:35:03
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It's not going to make very much money.
01:35:04
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It's not going to change things professionally, but it'll be a job.
01:35:07
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And so he's like, so you don't need to say yes on that.
01:35:10
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But he usually doesn't say, like, you can say, like, he would accept that.
01:35:14
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On TV stuff.
01:35:15
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Yeah, for TV stuff, especially, like, big network shows.
01:35:18
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I was going to say, like, yeah.
01:35:19
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And SVU is a stepping stone.
01:35:21
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SVU is a stepping stone.
01:35:22
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It's like it's a rite of passage.
01:35:24
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It's something that everybody in New York does.
01:35:26
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And it's a stepping stone.
01:35:27
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And like because everybody's been on it, it's a good opportunity for young people, for like young actors coming out of school, especially because all the other people who are my age have already done it.
01:35:38
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And so like it means that I'm not in competition with as many people.
01:35:42
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And so and that's usually like a good thing.
01:35:45
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Anything that limits the competition and like means that I have a better shot.
01:35:49
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So he says this and I look at it and it says this is a recurring guest star.
01:35:56
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So this is like this isn't just a stepping stone.
01:35:58
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This is like a much bigger job than I've ever done.
01:36:01
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That's some real shit.
01:36:02
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Yeah, that's some real shit.
01:36:04
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That's like, oh, this is a significant character who's in more than one episode.
01:36:07
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This is OK, cool.
01:36:09
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And I read it.
01:36:11
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And the character is a guy who has a sex doll that is based on a real 12-year-old girl.
01:36:21
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Oh, my God.
01:36:22
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Hang on.
01:36:23
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We are not to the bad part.
01:36:24
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We're not even to it, yeah.
01:36:26
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We're not even to the bad part yet.
01:36:28
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He has found out that the real 12-year-old girl who his sex doll is based on...
01:36:35
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is a real person and he has hired someone and paid them $9,000 to kidnap her and bring her to him.
01:36:41
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Yo!
01:36:47
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fucking dark dude fucking dark and in the scene that i'm playing i'm being caught by by benson basically um for i mean what an honor though yeah for real i'm gonna be caught by anybody it better be mariska hargitay yeah i was gonna say i don't want any of this fucking these new these new blood bitch detectives yeah i better i better get hit in the head by mariska hargitay
01:37:14
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Absolutely.
01:37:15
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Andy's fixing his lamp.
01:37:18
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His lamp came unplugged.
01:37:20
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It came unplugged.
01:37:24
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This is incredible podcast.
01:37:25
Speaker
This is great.
01:37:26
Speaker
This is great podcast.
01:37:28
Speaker
I had to read this with Andy.
01:37:29
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So Austin reads this with me.
01:37:31
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But before we read it, before we read it together, before we actually do the audition, I do have a bit of pause about this because my job, my day job is I am a tutor for children.
01:37:46
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Yeah.
01:37:48
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And like, I know the parents of my kids.
01:37:51
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And like, my I did have this this real moment of like, wait, if if one of the parents of one of my students trusts me to teach their child, and then they and then like, let's say I get this job.
01:38:06
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And let's say I do a good job.
01:38:07
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And I'm very convincing.
01:38:09
Speaker
on this show.
01:38:11
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And one of my parents watches the show and is super creeped out by what I've done and I lose that job or they just like want a different tutor or they, and it's like, I would believe personally that that would be an unreasonable response to art.
01:38:29
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Like, or a thing that's being made to it.
01:38:31
Speaker
But it's not inexplicable.
01:38:35
Speaker
Yeah, but it's not inexplicable.
01:38:37
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That is a great way to put it.
01:38:39
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And so I really thought about it, like, from the point of view of the parents.
01:38:43
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And then I made a mistake.
01:38:45
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And I asked one of my classmates, who I knew that she would have a very particular point of view, because she's also a tutor.
01:38:55
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And she has the same manager I have.
01:38:58
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And so I asked her, like, what do you think about this?
01:39:01
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And she predictably said...
01:39:04
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Fuck that.
01:39:05
Speaker
Fuck them.
01:39:05
Speaker
It's fucking art.
01:39:06
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Don't you dare let anybody.
01:39:08
Speaker
Don't you dare ever let anybody stop you from taking an opportunity.
01:39:12
Speaker
Don't you dare let anyone stop you from playing a child rapist.
01:39:16
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:18
Speaker
Yeah.
01:39:19
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And like, I knew that would be her response.
01:39:22
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It did actually help to hear that.
01:39:23
Speaker
And I was also like, you know, I, what I, what I also thought about in, in auditioning for it was like,
01:39:30
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I think that the people who are casting this are they're very smart.
01:39:36
Speaker
They're they're very they're very like good at their job.
01:39:39
Speaker
And I think the odds, the likelihood that I'll get this job are just as low as the likelihood I'll get any job.
01:39:46
Speaker
And so like to like another peek into the into the thing.
01:39:51
Speaker
I keep track in a spreadsheet of all the auditions I do.
01:39:55
Speaker
And since grad school ended in May of 2022, it's been pretty slow because of the strike.
01:40:02
Speaker
And then the following year since the strike has been extremely slow.
01:40:07
Speaker
So I have done 68 auditions since May of 2022, which comparatively to like...
01:40:16
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a different time with the same kind of opportunities and the same kind of run up and all that stuff is a low number.
01:40:23
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And so but but in 67 auditions, I've gotten three of those jobs.
01:40:28
Speaker
Wow.
01:40:30
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And and like my like a lot of the folks who are in my community look at that and they're like, oh, gosh, I wish I'd gotten that many jobs.
01:40:39
Speaker
And they're all having a lot more auditions than I'm having.
01:40:43
Speaker
And so that is the rate at which I might hopefully expect to get jobs.
01:40:50
Speaker
And so the other part of it was, I'm going to do this audition because the people who are casting this, they'll see this.
01:40:56
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I'm going to do a good job.
01:40:58
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I'm going to do the best I can.
01:41:00
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And it's going to be super creepy and weird, but it's going to be the thing.
01:41:03
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I'm going to make this thing.
01:41:05
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So Austin reads it with me.
01:41:07
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And that was a special day.
01:41:10
Speaker
It was an interesting day for both of us.
01:41:13
Speaker
Yeah.
01:41:13
Speaker
Do you guys go eat barbecue and have a beer afterward and be like, Jesus Christ?
01:41:17
Speaker
I mean, I bet we did something.
01:41:18
Speaker
I don't remember exactly what we did, but it was... We did something like that.
01:41:21
Speaker
You guys see that movie Dream Scenario?
01:41:23
Speaker
I missed Dream Scenario.
01:41:26
Speaker
What you're talking about kind of reminds me of the plot of that movie, where basically the plot of this movie is that Nicolas Cage all of a sudden appears in every single person in the world's dreams.
01:41:36
Speaker
And...
01:41:40
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it starts out being super cool and then some people start to have bad dreams about him.
01:41:44
Speaker
Right.
01:41:44
Speaker
I've heard so.
01:41:45
Speaker
It kind of, to me, feels very similar where, you know, you're, you're like, okay, this is a big opportunity for me.
01:41:52
Speaker
This is a reoccurring character on a really well-respected TV show.
01:41:57
Speaker
Like,
01:41:58
Speaker
I should probably do this, but then the repercussions of like... Potentially.
01:42:03
Speaker
Yeah, the potential repercussions, it's like the actress, or actress, sorry, Freudian slip, the actor who played Buffalo Bill in... Yeah, Ted Levine.
01:42:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, how do you recover from that?
01:42:17
Speaker
Uh...
01:42:18
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Yeah, it's a real question.
01:42:20
Speaker
And it wasn't a thing that I'd been concerned about before, but I was concerned about it then.
01:42:25
Speaker
Sure.
01:42:27
Speaker
And so I didn't get that job.
01:42:29
Speaker
But then watching that episode a few, like a month or two later, was a really, was another really interesting experience.
01:42:36
Speaker
Because reading the script, obviously I knew who the character was and I knew the way they were writing him.
01:42:43
Speaker
But
01:42:44
Speaker
Watching the episode was a very strange thing because the guy they chose... So I'm like thin, bald, six foot two.
01:42:57
Speaker
The guy they chose was...
01:43:02
Speaker
Heavy and mousy and five foot six, maybe.
01:43:08
Speaker
Oh, I mean, that's a pedophile build if I ever heard one.
01:43:11
Speaker
Here's the thing.
01:43:13
Speaker
The thing about it, the thing about watching him was that the way they fashioned him and the way they styled him and the way they made him up.
01:43:23
Speaker
they made him as grotesque as possible.
01:43:27
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Yeah.
01:43:28
Speaker
Like they made him just physically a physical embodiment of this inner torment that would lead to that kind of life and behavior.
01:43:39
Speaker
And watching the show was really strange because in the scene that I watched, which was not the way it had been written on the page when I read it,
01:43:50
Speaker
The way he brought it to life, like the sort of actions and intentions of it and everything, I was like, that's all there.
01:43:58
Speaker
That was all like what I did.
01:44:00
Speaker
I know that's in the thing.
01:44:02
Speaker
But I watched him and it was so pathetic that when they caught him...
01:44:09
Speaker
They're on the second floor of this house and they catch him and he knows he's caught.
01:44:14
Speaker
And there's like 10 cops around him, including Benson.
01:44:18
Speaker
And he realizes he's been caught and he sort of like clenches up and then he starts running down the stairs.
01:44:26
Speaker
And the way they shot this scene, he was so pathetic.
01:44:31
Speaker
that nobody even chased after him.
01:44:34
Speaker
They watched him go, and they literally, like, Ice-T and Benson looked at each other, and they both go, ugh.
01:44:46
Speaker
Ugh.
01:44:47
Speaker
And it's just the most damning, the most damning and the most like, like horrible sort of taunting of this character.
01:44:55
Speaker
And then he's literally trying to climb over his like own back fence.
01:45:01
Speaker
Hang on.
01:45:01
Speaker
Benson walks up to him, walks up to the fence that he's trying to climb over and says, come down, you're going to hurt yourself.
01:45:10
Speaker
And it's just the most like.
01:45:13
Speaker
That's a pretty nuanced like way to deal with.
01:45:16
Speaker
That's a pretty like a I don't know.
01:45:17
Speaker
I like I like the direction that it was very it was very interesting.
01:45:20
Speaker
But the thing was, I don't know if that version of it was the version they were looking for the whole time or if they wrote it around that guy to be that way because that's who they chose.
01:45:35
Speaker
I'm sure it would have been different if it was you.
01:45:37
Speaker
I'm sure they would have done it a completely different way.
01:45:38
Speaker
And that was the thing.
01:45:39
Speaker
If you're six foot two, you're getting over that goddamn fence.
01:45:41
Speaker
If it was me, that's just a very different scene.
01:45:44
Speaker
It's a very different physical paradigm.
01:45:46
Speaker
It's a very different set of stories.
01:45:50
Speaker
But that's the thing.
01:45:51
Speaker
I don't know if they watch all the tapes and then they decide which way they're going with it.
01:45:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, take this as the compliment that it is.
01:46:00
Speaker
You don't look like a pedophile.
01:46:02
Speaker
I appreciate that.
01:46:03
Speaker
Andy, here's another compliment.
01:46:05
Speaker
Ice-T would have had to have thrown you up against the fence.
01:46:08
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Yeah.
01:46:09
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And that would have been a privilege.
01:46:10
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That would have been a good scene.
01:46:12
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I would have loved that.
01:46:13
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He just said, dude, I love body count.
01:46:15
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And he'd been like, thanks, dog.
01:46:17
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You're telling me this guy gets off on little girls with pigtails?
01:46:23
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You work in the sex crimes division.
01:46:25
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This reminds me of a bit that I'm working on for stand up where I'm like, yeah, I know it's I know it's wrong to judge someone by how they look.
01:46:34
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You shouldn't do that.
01:46:35
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People are so much more nuanced than than the way that they project themselves.
01:46:40
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And it's it's wrong to judge someone based on the way that they look.
01:46:44
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But have you ever seen a guy that looks like a pedophile?
01:46:47
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Yeah.
01:46:50
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Because you know, you can immediately tell.
01:46:54
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Yeah.
01:46:55
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And I don't care if you are or aren't a pedophile.
01:46:58
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You're not getting around anyone.
01:46:59
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I know that's younger than 18.
01:47:03
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Sorry, buddy.
01:47:05
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Sorry, chief.
01:47:06
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Um, chief.
01:47:07
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Yeah.
01:47:08
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Any, uh, any final home three.
01:47:13
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I mean, I will say Roger Gosnell went on to direct the two Scooby-Doo movies and proved himself to be... Written by James Gunn, yeah.
01:47:22
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Written by James Gunn.
01:47:23
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Yes.
01:47:24
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He went on to be, in my opinion, a very interesting director, and he proved his worth on Home Alone 3.
01:47:30
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I mean, he directed the hell out of that scene where Velma comes down in the leather...
01:47:36
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Calls herself mommy?
01:47:37
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Yeah, baby.
01:47:38
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Yeah.
01:47:38
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Who's your mommy?
01:47:40
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I think this movie... So my last thought about Home Alone 3 is that...
01:47:46
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In the same way, we're talking, I was talking earlier about like John Hughes writing movies about fantasies, of like fantasies, the fantasy of the leading actor, but particularly the fantasy of the young person.
01:47:58
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And I think if I think about all the movies of his that I'm like really familiar with, I think the other big thing that he like, that he has as a theme that runs through so many of his movies is the kids are going to be all right.
01:48:14
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And that's just a huge running sort of like belief underneath these movies.
01:48:20
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And I think something was happening in the mid-1990s where Y2K was on the way and everybody was a little bit worried about it, even if they didn't like...
01:48:29
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really believe it, but like that superstition was creeping up at the same time that technology felt like, it felt like the beginning of the time when technology was starting to invade our homes and move so quickly as it invaded our homes.
01:48:45
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Where, like, I know technology was moving fast before that, but we weren't really seeing it.
01:48:51
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Like we weren't really touching it every day.
01:48:53
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It wasn't like in our hands.
01:48:56
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And in the mid-90s, we were starting to... It was starting to be at the table.
01:49:02
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It was starting to be in the office.
01:49:04
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It was starting to be in our pockets.
01:49:07
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And like there were so many movies and so many sort of feelings in the 90s that were afraid of that.
01:49:14
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It's a big change.
01:49:16
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It's a big new thing.
01:49:18
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And so I just wrote down a few movies that came out like the couple of years before that that were all about...
01:49:24
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like fear of the possibilities of technology.
01:49:29
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One big one for me, because it's a Denzel Washington movie, is Virtuosity, which is a horseshit movie that doesn't work at all.
01:49:38
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But it's like talking about, you're talking earlier about Gladiator 2.
01:49:42
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This is Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.
01:49:45
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And Russell Crowe,
01:49:47
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Russell Crowe plays a computer program for training cops who comes to life as an evil mastermind with a human body.
01:49:53
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And Denzel Washington is the only one who can stop him.
01:49:56
Speaker
And you're telling me this movie is not good?
01:49:58
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It's really, really bad.
01:49:59
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I'm going to be the judge of that.
01:50:01
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Like, legendarily bad.
01:50:02
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You should all be the judge of that.
01:50:04
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I totally think you should watch it, like, right after you've watched the Taken movies.
01:50:09
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But I've got to finish the Equalizer flicks first.
01:50:12
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Oh, God bless you.
01:50:14
Speaker
Oh, my God, the Equalizers.
01:50:16
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You have virtuosity, you have true lies, which is sort of about like too much technology getting into the hands of terrorists and like the fear of that, of like a small group that can do such terrible damage.
01:50:30
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But then you have Stargate in 94, Time Cop in 94, Goldeneye in 95, Eraser in 96, and Chain Reaction in 96.
01:50:39
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all of which are movies about the fear of technology and the fear that technological advance will happen too fast and will kill all of us and basically to me home alone 3 is the movie where john hughes says technology is coming like
01:50:56
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We're being overtaken by all the gadgets in this movie.
01:51:00
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And I was saying this, I was texting with Austin earlier, and thinking like, this starts in the very first moments of the movie.
01:51:07
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Before we see any visuals, we're hearing the Home Alone theme, and then we hear this little electronic burble at the end of the theme.
01:51:15
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And it tells us this is the movie we're making.
01:51:18
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The movie we're making is about the onslaught of technology into this like world of colliding opposites.
01:51:26
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And there's something about it that this is John Hughes's movie where he says the kids are going to be all right in the technological revolution, in the technological onslaught.
01:51:37
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So what you're saying is that this is John Hughes' Black Hat?
01:51:40
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I think this is John Hughes' Black Hat, yes.
01:51:42
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It's a much better movie.
01:51:44
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Whoa!
01:51:44
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The Black Hat Slender here on Paddington Go Wild.
01:51:49
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How many Black Hats did Home Alone 3 make?
01:51:58
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Anyone know?
01:51:59
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Oh, gosh.
01:52:00
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Box office.
01:52:00
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Let's look.
01:52:01
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Hang on.
01:52:02
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Let's play the box office game for.
01:52:03
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No, no, no.
01:52:04
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I'm very interested because I don't know, but I'm going to find out.
01:52:07
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Austin, while you're Googling that, Andy, do you want to hit us with a high and low?
01:52:10
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Yeah, absolutely.
01:52:12
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Seventy nine million dollars.
01:52:14
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79 okay great with a budget with a budget of 32 so you know it made it to nine that's pretty good that's pretty good and update that for update that for 2024 numbers yeah you got yourself a pretty paycheck you got yourself a pretty paycheck good man she's got a great paycheck hey without anyone googling anyone know what the highest gross of 97 was no oh gosh hang on let me think let me think
01:52:42
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The highest grossing film of 1997.
01:52:44
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I have to stand up.
01:52:45
Speaker
English Patient?
01:52:47
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Oh, English Patient didn't have much money.
01:52:48
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English Patient's not top 10.
01:52:50
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97.
01:52:52
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I'll tell y'all something that it's not and then try to guess what it is.
01:52:56
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It's not The Lost World.
01:53:00
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It's not Titanic.
01:53:02
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It's not Hercules.
01:53:03
Speaker
Wait, it's not Titanic?
01:53:04
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Titanic made most of his money in 98.
01:53:07
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It's not Con Air.
01:53:08
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It's not Face Off.
01:53:10
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Oh, face off.
01:53:11
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It's not Liar Liar.
01:53:12
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Gosh, all these are such great movies.
01:53:15
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Fantastic films all around.
01:53:17
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I mean, a great year 97 was.
01:53:22
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Oh, gosh.
01:53:22
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The highest grossing of 1997.
01:53:23
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English Patience, 32nd.
01:53:26
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Is it the James Bond movie?
01:53:28
Speaker
Tomorrow Never Dies?
01:53:29
Speaker
Is it the Fifth Element?
01:53:31
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Nope.
01:53:32
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Fifth Element is low.
01:53:34
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It's 25th.
01:53:36
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Go ahead, Zach.
01:53:37
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What is it?
01:53:38
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Men in Black.
01:53:39
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Oh my God.
01:53:40
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Of course.
01:53:41
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Yeah.
01:53:42
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Of course.
01:53:42
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Which shares an actor with this movie.
01:53:46
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Who?
01:53:46
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Which one?
01:53:47
Speaker
The cab driver is the old guy at the beginning.
01:53:51
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Oh, you look familiar, dude.
01:53:52
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:53:53
Speaker
I remember looking this up last night because I was trying to figure out who these people were.
01:53:58
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Just before we move on from talking about Men in Black, can we say the most underrated performance of all time is Vincent D'Onofrio?
01:54:06
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Oh, perfect.
01:54:07
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He is giving...
01:54:10
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one of the best performances I've ever seen in my entire life.
01:54:14
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And it's as Cockroach Man.
01:54:16
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Yeah, he's perfect.
01:54:17
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No, he's perfect.
01:54:18
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I don't think I've told y'all this story about Vincent.
01:54:21
Speaker
Because my second TV job was on Daredevil Born Again.
01:54:28
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which hopefully with all of it should be coming out soon.
01:54:32
Speaker
It's the show.
01:54:33
Speaker
The show comes out in March, but it's been like massively restructured.
01:54:38
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Yeah.
01:54:38
Speaker
You shot that like two years ago.
01:54:41
Speaker
I shot it two years ago.
01:54:41
Speaker
I shot it in February of 23.
01:54:44
Speaker
At least you weren't cast on the Blade show because the Blade film, please.
01:54:48
Speaker
That's never coming out.
01:54:49
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No, it's not.
01:54:50
Speaker
No, it's never coming out.
01:54:52
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But no.
01:54:52
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So I did a day on Daredevil and my scene was with Vincent.
01:54:57
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Incredible.
01:54:58
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I play Kingpin's elocution coach.
01:55:03
Speaker
That's awesome.
01:55:06
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I try to teach him how to be more personable in the way that he speaks.
01:55:10
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That's an awesome role for you.
01:55:11
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I am so pumped to watch this scene.
01:55:15
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So if it's in the show, it should be in the first episode.
01:55:18
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Oh, thank God.
01:55:19
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After I shot it, yeah.
01:55:21
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After I shot it, they completely restructured everything.
01:55:23
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They threw out all the writer and the showrunners.
01:55:27
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I don't know.
01:55:28
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So maybe it'll be, maybe it won't be.
01:55:30
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But the thing about Vincent and the thing that I think relates to his performance in Men in Black is he's playing Kingpin.
01:55:36
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He's playing like a cartoon villain.
01:55:39
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But Vincent is unbelievably and extraordinarily focused on sequence.
01:55:47
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And
01:55:48
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So I went in, I was there, I think my costume fitting and my haircut and everything were at like seven o'clock in the morning.
01:55:56
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I think we started our rehearsal at eight and we were like shooting, we're supposed to shoot at 8.30.
01:56:03
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And so, but like first rehearsal on set with Vincent was at eight.
01:56:08
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And so
01:56:09
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I hadn't seen him in makeup or anything.
01:56:14
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And I get onto the set for the rehearsal.
01:56:17
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I talk to the other actors and there's just going to be four of us.
01:56:20
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There's just me, these two other actors and Vincent.
01:56:23
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And we're talking about stuff.
01:56:25
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And then you hear like a whispering, like a murmuring, Vincent's coming.
01:56:29
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Vincent's walking.
01:56:30
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Vincent's walking.
01:56:31
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And it felt sort of like that thing of like, oh, Kingpin's on the way.
01:56:36
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And for a second, I was really worried because I was like, oh no, maybe this is the feeling that he creates.
01:56:43
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Like he wants people to fear him.
01:56:45
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And he came on set and he's doing this sort of like warming up his muscles.
01:56:51
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He walks on set like he doesn't have bones.
01:56:54
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Like he's sort of like moving like every one of his bones is made of rubber.
01:57:00
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um and and just like to like warm up his body and like it and he like walks over he says hello to each of us and then he goes and sits down and uh we do the first rehearsal and we go we walk through the we walk through the beats and uh we
01:57:16
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do all the lines and then vincent sits at the desk the big giant kingpin desk and he pulls out the script and he's not looking at the script but as he is not looking at the script he goes through every single line both his lines and everybody else's lines from memory and he talks to the cinematographer
01:57:40
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and the showrunner and the writer and walks through every single beat and says, now when this happens, this happens because, and remind me because this thing happened in the previous scene and that's how I've gotten this object is here.
01:57:55
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And when we put the sandwich, the sandwich goes here, can it move a little bit to the side and that way it's easier for us to see that this is on the table, that the paper is on.
01:58:05
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He goes through every single beat until everything makes sense.
01:58:09
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Can we change this one word?
01:58:10
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I think it'll be clearer.
01:58:12
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Is that all right with you?
01:58:13
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He talks to the writer.
01:58:14
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He talks to the cinematographer.
01:58:15
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And we're doing this angle.
01:58:17
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It sounds like a class act.
01:58:19
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I can't decide if he is the Paramount professional or Detective Monk professional.
01:58:26
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That too.
01:58:27
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But no, what was amazing was like, he's number one on the call sheet.
01:58:31
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He's the most important person on the set.
01:58:33
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And he used that power to make sure the scene worked.
01:58:38
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To make sure the scene made sense.
01:58:40
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And I was so enamored of that because my only other experience on a TV set before that was working with Carrie Coon on The Gilded Age, which was such a great experience for a completely different reason.
01:58:52
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She was very interested in things making sense, of course, and so were the other actors that we were working with.
01:58:57
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But she was mostly interested in keeping the flavor light and keeping the energy moving on the set.
01:59:03
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And so that was what she gave to the whole sequence.
01:59:07
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But what Vincent gave was this clarity of thought and this clarity of intention about what we were doing and how the pieces fit together.
01:59:16
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It makes sense of this character too, because I really loved the Netflix Daredevil show when it came out and his character is exactly like that.
01:59:23
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Yeah.
01:59:23
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Yeah.
01:59:24
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Very just so.
01:59:25
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And so maybe like in a show where he's playing a very different character, he approaches like the whole structure very differently.
01:59:31
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I don't know.
01:59:32
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Yeah.
01:59:32
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I wonder what he was like on the set when he was playing Cockroach Man.
01:59:35
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Exactly.
01:59:36
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Exactly.
01:59:36
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Well, he was just doing a John Huston impression as the legend, you know.
01:59:40
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Sugar.
01:59:40
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Sugar.
01:59:41
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Sugar.
01:59:41
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Water.
01:59:42
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Pretty much.
01:59:43
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Yeah.
01:59:44
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I'm going to rewatch Man Black.
01:59:45
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Holy shit.
01:59:46
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I'm due for a Man Black rewatch.
01:59:48
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That might be on somebody's high and low next week.
01:59:50
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There we go.
01:59:51
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This is the Akira Kurosawa.
01:59:53
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I'm sorry?
01:59:54
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Oh, I was just saying highs and lows.
01:59:56
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Oh, this is the Akira Kurosawa High and Low.
01:59:58
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This is the end of our show, of which we talk about the best piece of media and the worst piece of media we consumed that week.
02:00:03
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And Andy, if you're ready, I would love to hear from our beloved guest.
02:00:07
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Absolutely.
02:00:08
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Thank you.
02:00:09
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The low for me this week was all of the Manchester City matches I watched.
02:00:16
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Every single minute, every single touch of those matches was so painful and so agonizing.
02:00:25
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I mean, I'm happy about the victory of Manningham Forest.
02:00:28
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I'm happy about that.
02:00:29
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I don't know if it's actually a change of form or if it was just like revenge for that shitty match last season.
02:00:37
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I'm sorry, Andy.
02:00:37
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I don't feel bad for you on that one.
02:00:39
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well no the other part of the low here the other part of the low this week has been the crowing of everyone else including so i listened to this podcast we lost today so oh did you no oh sorry okay andy move on jesus christ
02:01:01
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But no, so my high this week, media consumed, three very quick ones.
02:01:07
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One was Bridge on the River Kwai, which I'd never seen before.
02:01:11
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Oh my God.
02:01:11
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I actually haven't seen it either.
02:01:13
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Goddamn.
02:01:14
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David Lee Knight.
02:01:16
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It's a Lee Knight.
02:01:17
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It's a Lee.
02:01:18
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Dr. Zhivago.
02:01:19
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Yeah.
02:01:21
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Brief encounter.
02:01:22
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So that was like top movie.
02:01:24
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I have an article that I read.
02:01:27
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Jane Mayer wrote this.
02:01:28
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Jane Mayer wrote this article in The New Yorker about Pete Hegseth, which I think like in the very brief history that will be written of this moment of like the demise of all of these insane candidates for cabinet, like the very brief history that will be written about this, that article will be name dropped because it's just like, um,
02:01:48
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Ashley Parker wrote this article about Michael Flynn when he was like the national security advisor right before he had to resign basically because of this article.
02:01:56
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I think if and when Pete Hegseth drops out and is replaced by Ron de fucking Santus, it's going to be because of Jane Mayer's article.
02:02:03
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Ron de sanctimonious.
02:02:07
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But it was just a great article.
02:02:08
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It was really interesting.
02:02:09
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It was really in depth.
02:02:10
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And I was just I was sort of like sitting in bed just going.
02:02:14
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ah, I can't believe, ah, my God.
02:02:15
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Because it was so much of that.
02:02:16
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I would love to read that.
02:02:17
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I read a really interesting article today by David French about the nuances of martial law in the United States.
02:02:24
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And it was fantastic.
02:02:26
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Yeah.
02:02:27
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And then I finished reading a book today called Six Four, which is a Japanese crime novel that centers around like an unsolved kidnapping and murder.
02:02:38
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That was like a 14-year-old unsolved kidnapping and murder case in Japan.
02:02:43
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That's cool.
02:02:44
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That the whole novel is told from the perspective of the media relations director of the like of the prefecture police.
02:02:54
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And it's one of the most like gripping, extraordinary like books on crime that I've read in a long time.
02:03:01
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That's dope.
02:03:02
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Sounds awesome.
02:03:03
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I'm sold.
02:03:04
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Excellent.
02:03:05
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Andy, who do you want to hear from?
02:03:09
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I would love to hear from you, Zach.
02:03:10
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All right.
02:03:12
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Low for the week is an interesting question.
02:03:16
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Oh, actually, no.
02:03:17
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It's pretty easy.
02:03:18
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My low for the week was Observe and Report.
02:03:20
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I don't know why I watched that movie.
02:03:22
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I'd never seen it before.
02:03:24
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And I saw someone on Twitter basically just... I saw the same tweet.
02:03:28
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They were just like, oh, this movie is fucking underrated and blah, blah, blah.
02:03:32
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And it was like late at night.
02:03:33
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And I was like, I could go for like a 2000 style comedy right now.
02:03:37
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It's like a fairly problematic movie.
02:03:40
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Not funny.
02:03:42
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Even in like if you even if you like let yourself exist in that place, it's it's bad.
02:03:48
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It's like you can do that with Superbad.
02:03:50
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You know, you can watch Superbad and let yourself exist in the time and go, you know, this was fine.
02:03:53
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This is a very funny story.
02:03:55
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But no, The Driven Report fucking sucks.
02:03:57
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I legitimately, like a couple years ago, started watching that and went, fuck it, I'm watching Mall Cop.
02:04:02
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Yeah.
02:04:03
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Dude, good call.
02:04:06
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More than an honorable mention to the movie Seconds that I borrowed from Austin.
02:04:12
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Great flick.
02:04:13
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I went in pretty blind on it.
02:04:15
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Really, all I knew was something that I think Joe briefly mentioned on a podcast like a month ago.
02:04:22
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Anyways, so I went in pretty blind to that movie, and I was just like, this is not what I expected in the most fantastic way.
02:04:29
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So that movie rules.
02:04:30
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But my high...
02:04:32
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was my rewatch of Boys in the Hood on Sunday.
02:04:35
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Excellent.
02:04:35
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It's been a little bit since I've seen it, and I just forgot how actually perfect it actually is.
02:04:44
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It's a movie that hits you with a heavy note and then holds that note for genuinely 30 minutes straight, and by the end of the movie, you are pulp.
02:04:55
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Singleton did a show on FX that I heard people say was really good.
02:05:00
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I know what you're talking about.
02:05:01
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I think it's called Snow.
02:05:02
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Snow?
02:05:03
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You're thinking of Snowfall.
02:05:05
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Snowfall.
02:05:06
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I didn't know that was a John Singleton.
02:05:07
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He did some episodes on it before his passing.
02:05:11
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I think he was one of the first directors of it or something.
02:05:15
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Yeah, Singleton was fucking awesome.
02:05:18
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He was a king.
02:05:20
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I would love to hear from Joe
02:05:22
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Okay.
02:05:23
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My low is easy.
02:05:24
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That's because I didn't really see anything bad, but I did see the trailer for Marvel's The Thunderbolts.
02:05:32
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That shit looks dog-ass.
02:05:34
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Yeah, it looks pretty bad.
02:05:36
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I'm so sad because I like everyone in it.
02:05:39
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Yeah.
02:05:40
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And this is like the running thing with a lot of these like superheroes stuff.
02:05:45
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It's like, I like David Harbour.
02:05:48
Speaker
I love Florence Pugh.
02:05:50
Speaker
And I get it.
02:05:51
Speaker
That check has to be gigantic.
02:05:53
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Oh, yeah.
02:05:54
Speaker
Fucking...
02:05:58
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Barry Jenkins starts shitting on Mufasa as soon as the check cleared.
02:06:01
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Yeah, that's awesome.
02:06:06
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He came out and said, I don't think these are for me.
02:06:11
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One of my favorite pop culture moments of the last few years is John Boyega just being like, yeah, I fucking hate Star Wars now.
02:06:20
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Yeah.
02:06:21
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Yeah.
02:06:22
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But I'm just supposed to be in the Thunderbolts and supposed to be in Thunderbolts because he was cast originally.
02:06:27
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I don't know.
02:06:28
Speaker
I think he dropped to do Mickey 17.
02:06:30
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No, no.
02:06:31
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I know that he dropped.
02:06:32
Speaker
I meant, like, who was he supposed to?
02:06:34
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Oh, I don't know.
02:06:34
Speaker
I don't know.
02:06:35
Speaker
I'm so pumped to see Mickey 17.
02:06:37
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Everybody on Twitter turned their backs on it and they do not understand.
02:06:41
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They don't understand.
02:06:43
Speaker
You trust Bong.
02:06:44
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You do it.
02:06:45
Speaker
You just trust him.
02:06:46
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Everyone wants to be the guy who has, who wants to be on the forefront and be on the front of the wave of whatever opinion they fucking have to be the guy who's like, well, actually, everyone wants to be the first hater because they, because they want to be right.
02:06:59
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People are already starting to hate on Nosferatu.
02:07:01
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And I'm like, dude, you got to stupid.
02:07:03
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You got to shut the fuck up.
02:07:05
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People have been hating Eggers for a long time, but like, I don't know when, like, it feels like everyone is now deciding, like, I'm going to be the first one to say Bong's actually not that good.
02:07:15
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Yeah, and if you say that, I'm going to punch you in the head.
02:07:18
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Yeah, you're a dumbass.
02:07:21
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I'm going to just go ahead and say I had a bunch of highs, and I'm just going to list them.
02:07:25
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Okay.
02:07:27
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Start off with the lowest that was still good.
02:07:31
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There's this movie called Greedy People starring...
02:07:36
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Himesh Patel and Jesse Gordon-Levitt and Lily James.
02:07:39
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It's a little indie movie directed by a guy named Patsy Ponsaroli.
02:07:47
Speaker
Okay.
02:07:48
Speaker
I didn't know Himesh Patel was in movies.
02:07:50
Speaker
Himesh with an H. It's the guy from... He's in Station Eleven.
02:07:57
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And Yesterday.
02:07:58
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He was in Tenet.
02:07:59
Speaker
Oh, he's the main guy in Yesterday?
02:08:04
Speaker
Yeah.
02:08:04
Speaker
Okay.
02:08:06
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt plays a dirtbag of cop in this movie, and he's having so much fun.
02:08:10
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That's the only reason it's a high.
02:08:11
Speaker
The movie was fine.
02:08:12
Speaker
It was like someone tried to remake Fargo from memory.
02:08:15
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But my high was Joseph Gordon-Levitt having so much fun after he realized, I don't have to be a director.
02:08:21
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I'm not very good at it.
02:08:24
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And he just started acting and he acts the pants off of this movie.
02:08:27
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It's very fun.
02:08:29
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There's a scene where Himes Patel is interviewing, like doing a like a police interrogation and the guy and it's oh, it's Simon Rex.
02:08:38
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is the guy he's interviewing.
02:08:40
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Love Simon Rex.
02:08:41
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And he asks Simon Rex a question and then Simon Rex kind of like maneuvers around it and then he asks him a question that like you can't maneuver around and Jesse Gord-Levitt just goes, nice, and like fist bumps him while they're doing the interrogation.
02:08:55
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Very funny.
02:08:57
Speaker
This is the start of my actual like all of these movies are good.
02:09:00
Speaker
The adults...
02:09:03
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I have to shout them all out because they're incredible.
02:09:05
Speaker
No, no, no.
02:09:06
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Go on.
02:09:07
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The Adults by Dustin Guy Deffa.
02:09:10
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I love this guy.
02:09:11
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His short film, People to People, that he turned into a feature is fantastic.
02:09:15
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He's one of the best mumblecore directors.
02:09:18
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He's not annoying.
02:09:19
Speaker
This movie stars Michael Cera and the girl from It.
02:09:23
Speaker
The Redheaded Girl.
02:09:27
Speaker
Just a really delightful, heartwarming movie about doing bits with your siblings.
02:09:37
Speaker
Fantastic.
02:09:39
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Andy and I could never relate.
02:09:41
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Beavis and Butthead Do America.
02:09:43
Speaker
Incredible.
02:09:44
Speaker
Great flick.
02:09:45
Speaker
And then my last two are just... I mean, they went hand in hand, but it's Richard Jewell and Juror No.
02:09:52
Speaker
2.
02:09:53
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Clint Eastwood is a monumental director, and these two movies are absolutely perfection.
02:10:01
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Richard Jewell is on a different level.
02:10:02
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I genuinely think that's one of the best American movies to come out in the last, I don't know, couple decades.
02:10:11
Speaker
I think that movie's perfect.
02:10:13
Speaker
It's...
02:10:15
Speaker
I don't know, like it's just so well directed.
02:10:17
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The acting is next level.
02:10:19
Speaker
Like Sam Rockwell and Paul Walter Hauser just like,
02:10:24
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I don't know.
02:10:24
Speaker
They just destroy this script.
02:10:26
Speaker
Like they're, they're just like, I have no words.
02:10:30
Speaker
I was just absolutely blown away.
02:10:32
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Jon Hamm doing Jon Hamm to the best of his ability.
02:10:36
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And the mom, I'm losing my mind.
02:10:41
Speaker
What's her name?
02:10:41
Speaker
Kathy Bates.
02:10:42
Speaker
Kathy Bates is just on another level in this movie.
02:10:45
Speaker
And then juror number two is
02:10:48
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maybe the best movie you'll ever watch on FX.
02:10:52
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Uh, and that's, and I say that with love in my heart.
02:10:56
Speaker
Like when, if you turn this movie on in, in a few years down the line, like if you turn the TV on and this movie is on, you're going to, you're going to watch five seconds and go, huh?
02:11:04
Speaker
I'm in.
02:11:04
Speaker
And then, and then you're going to sit down on the couch and watch the rest of it.
02:11:07
Speaker
Yeah.
02:11:08
Speaker
And I would love to hear from Red because he's judging me so hard for having so many.
02:11:14
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Not judging.
02:11:16
Speaker
I don't really have a low this week.
02:11:18
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I was trying to think about it.
02:11:20
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I haven't been able to watch nearly as much as I would like to.
02:11:25
Speaker
But getting back to it, my honorable mention high just very quickly because it's not a movie is the only reason it wouldn't be my actual high is I've been listening to a new podcast from Ryan Nanny and Stephen Godfrey.
02:11:37
Speaker
It's called Who Killed College Football?
02:11:39
Speaker
Oh.
02:11:39
Speaker
It is... If you are interested in the sport of college football... Yeah.
02:11:44
Speaker
I mean... And these are two dudes who've been around a long time.
02:11:47
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Ryan Nanny, also an NYU grad.
02:11:50
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Hey, shout out.
02:11:51
Speaker
NYU Law School.
02:11:52
Speaker
Go Violets!
02:11:54
Speaker
NYU Law School.
02:11:54
Speaker
Go Violets!
02:11:56
Speaker
Get the fuck up.
02:11:57
Speaker
But...
02:11:59
Speaker
These guys have just been doing it for a long time.
02:12:00
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Stephen Godfrey was one of the guys who helped break a lot of Hugh Freeze's misguided stuff he was doing in Mississippi State with paying players.
02:12:10
Speaker
So these have both been dudes who have been, they're about this shit.
02:12:14
Speaker
And so it's a deep dive into a different suspect every week.
02:12:19
Speaker
from coaches to fans to agents to the NCAA.
02:12:24
Speaker
It's really, really interesting if you love the sport.
02:12:27
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If you're like a pervert like me where it's like, I'll sit and watch Thursday night Maction and just be like, fuck yeah.
02:12:33
Speaker
Like I'll watch fucking, I'll watch FCS football.
02:12:36
Speaker
Yeah.
02:12:37
Speaker
I enjoy all this shit.
02:12:38
Speaker
You're a sicko.
02:12:40
Speaker
So it's very, very, very good.
02:12:43
Speaker
my actual high is I watched, I'm trying to get back into and finish Twin Peaks The Return over the next week or so.
02:12:52
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
02:12:53
Speaker
And I had intentionally stopped my watch through at episode seven because I knew that eight would require some real thought and some real focus.
02:13:04
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And so I watched episode eight.
02:13:06
Speaker
Andy hasn't seen The Return.
02:13:07
Speaker
He's only seen Twin Peaks.
02:13:09
Speaker
Okay.
02:13:09
Speaker
I will not spoil it.
02:13:11
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Um,
02:13:12
Speaker
Episode eight is called Got a Light.
02:13:16
Speaker
It's the one that everybody talks about.
02:13:18
Speaker
It's the best episode of TV of the 20th century, in my opinion.
02:13:21
Speaker
If you care about Twin Peaks, if you are on film Twitter, you've heard a million people talk about it.
02:13:25
Speaker
It's just kind of the next level 58 minutes of television.
02:13:28
Speaker
It's unbelievable.
02:13:30
Speaker
It's David Lynch's like 50 caliber sniper rifle.
02:13:37
Speaker
As somebody who fully thinks that everything he's made in the 21st century is a masterpiece and is a five star masterpiece, it might be the best thing he's made in the 21st century.
02:13:48
Speaker
No, no.
02:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's just really, really, really special and really upsetting and dark and fucked.
02:13:57
Speaker
Very scary.
02:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, really scary.
02:13:59
Speaker
I loved it.
02:14:00
Speaker
If you like David Lynch, if you like horror movies, if you are bought into Twin Peaks Episode 8, and I fully, I know I'm going a little bit long here, but...
02:14:10
Speaker
It's okay, I went really long.
02:14:11
Speaker
Blank Check is going through the return right now, and they broke down episodes one through seven into an episode, and they're dedicating an entire episode of Blank Check to episode eight.
02:14:21
Speaker
And that tells you all you need to know about kind of how totemic it is as an episode of television.
02:14:27
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I really love that, like, bringing it full circle by the thing, you're high, and you're the last one, and you're high is Twin Peaks.
02:14:36
Speaker
And even though he's not in the return that I know of,
02:14:39
Speaker
Lenny Von Dolan, who plays Jernigan in Home Alone 3.
02:14:42
Speaker
I think he is in The Return.
02:14:44
Speaker
He is in The Return?
02:14:45
Speaker
I haven't seen The Return yet.
02:14:48
Speaker
He's in Firewalk with me.
02:14:49
Speaker
Yeah, he's in Firewalk with me.
02:14:51
Speaker
I just love him on that show.
02:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, he's really good in Season 2.
02:14:56
Speaker
So sad and so upsetting in Season 2.
02:15:00
Speaker
Wait, I was wondering watching the movie where I had seen that guy before.
02:15:04
Speaker
He was like Harry something?
02:15:06
Speaker
yeah i he's like oh my god he's the shutting guy yeah oh my god that's journey i knew him that's lenny von dolan okay yeah yeah
02:15:16
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Fantastic performance.
02:15:17
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I mean, I need to say on this podcast, Red still has my Swim Peaks The Return box set.
02:15:25
Speaker
We haven't hung out outside of work in a long time.
02:15:28
Speaker
I have it sitting intentionally on my dresser.
02:15:34
Speaker
I know.
02:15:35
Speaker
I also gave Zach a bunch of Blu-rays last time he was at my house.
02:15:37
Speaker
So, you know, take as long as he needs.
02:15:39
Speaker
guys i just because i just uh confirmed travel um i would love to see you all irl when i'm visiting austin in january you can definitely see red the other two are yeah zach will come up from san antonio i don't know about joe joe's in tulsa we'll see we'll see we'll see what we can do but
02:15:58
Speaker
We'll try to confirm timelines.
02:16:01
Speaker
I'll do my high and low quickly.
02:16:03
Speaker
My low is the first half hour of Amelia Perez, Jacques Odiard's new film on Netflix.
02:16:09
Speaker
I say only the first half hour because it's all I got through before I turned it off because it was absolute dog shit.
02:16:15
Speaker
I was laughing hysterically at how bad this movie is.
02:16:20
Speaker
The only thing I've seen is the transition number, like the song about being trans.
02:16:25
Speaker
Yeah, I could not believe it.
02:16:26
Speaker
It...
02:16:27
Speaker
To me, it's laughable.
02:16:29
Speaker
I might sit down and watch this movie in its entirety at some point just because I'm an Oscar nerd.
02:16:32
Speaker
If it gets nominated, I'll watch it.
02:16:33
Speaker
Exactly, because I'm an Oscar nerd, I might actually watch it.
02:16:37
Speaker
I was baffled.
02:16:38
Speaker
The cinematography is absolutely terrible.
02:16:40
Speaker
It's horribly lit.
02:16:42
Speaker
The script as it exists, which is not much, is just confounding.
02:16:48
Speaker
It's absolutely terrible.
02:16:50
Speaker
My honorable mention, High.
02:16:52
Speaker
So I would not recommend Amelia Perez, but if you're an Oscar nerd like I am and like many of us are, get into it, I guess.
02:16:59
Speaker
But my honorable mention, High, is a film that's on Hulu directed by David Gordon Green.
02:17:05
Speaker
It's called Nutcrackers.
02:17:06
Speaker
It's a new Christmas movie starring Ben Stiller and Linda Cardellini with a small sort of cameo by...
02:17:18
Speaker
Fuck, I'm sorry.
02:17:19
Speaker
I'm so tired.
02:17:19
Speaker
I'm forgetting his name.
02:17:20
Speaker
Mr. Show.
02:17:22
Speaker
No, not Mr. Show.
02:17:23
Speaker
It's not Bob Odenkirk.
02:17:24
Speaker
No, no, no, no.
02:17:26
Speaker
I'm sorry.
02:17:26
Speaker
I literally said Mr. Show, and it's not Mr. Show.
02:17:29
Speaker
Tim, what's his name?
02:17:32
Speaker
Tim Heidecker.
02:17:33
Speaker
Oh.
02:17:34
Speaker
Awesome show.
02:17:35
Speaker
That's what I can see.
02:17:36
Speaker
Awesome show.
02:17:37
Speaker
Great.
02:17:37
Speaker
Sorry.
02:17:37
Speaker
Sorry.
02:17:38
Speaker
Yes.
02:17:38
Speaker
No, no.
02:17:39
Speaker
It's a very fun movie.
02:17:41
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Andy and I had a long conversation when I was recommending it to him about how Ben Stiller is best served in movies when he is sort of high status being asked to be lower.
02:17:51
Speaker
And when he doesn't know, he can't quite figure out what the dynamics are of a certain situation that he's in.
02:17:58
Speaker
It's a very charming movie.
02:18:00
Speaker
It's not perfect by any means, but if you're looking for a new Christmas movie that's come out this year to check out, it's quite good.
02:18:06
Speaker
My actual high is the new Paramount Plus show, The Agency.
02:18:11
Speaker
Good.
02:18:12
Speaker
I'm glad you liked it.
02:18:13
Speaker
I very much dug the first two episodes.
02:18:17
Speaker
It's based on a French show called Le Bureau about sort of French...
02:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, thank you.
02:18:24
Speaker
French Intelligence.
02:18:25
Speaker
This show is written by... Thank you.
02:18:28
Speaker
This show is written by Jez and John Henry Butterworth, the Butterworths who are very instrumental in the James Bond franchise and also great playwrights.
02:18:36
Speaker
The first two episodes are directed by... What's his name who directed Pride and Prejudice and Anna Karenina?
02:18:43
Speaker
Joe Riton.
02:18:45
Speaker
Joe Wright.
02:18:45
Speaker
Joe Dante.
02:18:46
Speaker
Oh my God.
02:18:48
Speaker
That would be a different show.
02:18:48
Speaker
That would be a different show.
02:18:49
Speaker
But Joe Wright directs the first two episodes, stars Michael Fassbender, Jeffrey Wright, Richard Gere.
02:18:57
Speaker
It's an incredible cast.
02:18:59
Speaker
It's really great.
02:19:01
Speaker
John Magaro's in this piece.
02:19:03
Speaker
Catherine Waterston is in this piece.
02:19:06
Speaker
It's basically about this like...
02:19:08
Speaker
Oh, dude, it's it's quite good.
02:19:10
Speaker
It basically takes place around the beginning of the Russia Ukraine conflict.
02:19:16
Speaker
And this spy that gets pulled out of his sort of position to advise the London office of the CIA about what's going on in the Russia Ukraine conflict.
02:19:29
Speaker
Or I should say Russia's war on Ukraine.
02:19:32
Speaker
Yeah.
02:19:33
Speaker
It's just it's very much the show that I love where it immediately launches you into a story.
02:19:38
Speaker
It does not hold your hand.
02:19:39
Speaker
It throws you into all the jargon and the intrigue.
02:19:43
Speaker
And it's just like it's not interested in all at all in like guiding you into a story.
02:19:48
Speaker
It's just going to tell you a story.
02:19:50
Speaker
And I really dug the first two episodes.
02:19:52
Speaker
I'm excited to keep watching it.
02:19:53
Speaker
So the agency on Paramount Plus.
02:19:56
Speaker
Great.
02:19:56
Speaker
Excellent.
02:19:58
Speaker
well yeah no i was just gonna say that the show that it's based on the bureau the french show is also is a spectacular show i've heard it's amazing i've not watched it but i've heard it's really really special we had a we had a we had a workshop in in grad school last grad school story um we had a workshop in grad school with the woman who cast the wire
02:20:19
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
02:20:21
Speaker
And she's cast a ton of other amazing stuff on HBO.
02:20:24
Speaker
And she was like, somebody was asking her, like, what are you watching?
02:20:28
Speaker
And she said, this show, The Bureau, this French TV series is probably the best thing I've seen in the last decade.
02:20:34
Speaker
And I was like, holy shit.
02:20:35
Speaker
Hey, she did that shit with The Wire, so I trust her.
02:20:39
Speaker
I've heard amazing things.
02:20:40
Speaker
I mean, if this show is an indication of its source material, then I would highly recommend any of it.
02:20:46
Speaker
But the agency is quite good so far.
02:20:49
Speaker
I got to get my Paramount subscription back then.
02:20:50
Speaker
Amen, brother.
02:20:52
Speaker
Well, listener, that is it.
02:20:54
Speaker
I want to thank Mr. Andy Ingalls for coming back on the show.
02:20:58
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As always.
02:20:58
Speaker
We love you, brother.
02:21:00
Speaker
The door is always open for whatever you want to come talk about.
02:21:03
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Listener, I know I said this is the end of the show.
02:21:06
Speaker
I just have to say...
02:21:07
Speaker
Andy pitched the idea of talking about Home Alone 3, if I remember correctly, in June.
02:21:14
Speaker
You could have told me it was two years ago and I would have fucking believed you.
02:21:17
Speaker
I believe when we talked about bringing Andy on, I asked Austin and he said, Andy said he would absolutely come on for...
02:21:24
Speaker
uh home alone three and then if we came up with something else he would consider yeah that was his number one priority was this movie so i'm glad i'm glad we finally found the time i'm really excited to go back around to my birthday again and i can make andy come back on to watch southland tales i'm here for it he'll do it i'll do it he'll do it you know he will
02:21:44
Speaker
You have to make sure you have space in your Google Drive because Joe's got to send you some.
02:21:47
Speaker
Yeah, Joe's got the can cut on his Google Drive.
02:21:50
Speaker
You do actually have to watch the can cut.
02:21:52
Speaker
The theatrical cut is actually ass.
02:21:54
Speaker
Yeah, you got to watch the can cut.
02:21:56
Speaker
That's what we all watch for the episode.
02:21:58
Speaker
So, Andy, thank you for joining us.
02:22:00
Speaker
Thank you, listeners.
02:22:01
Speaker
Thank you, Austin and Zach and Joe for being here and being part of this show.
02:22:05
Speaker
I love all of you.
02:22:07
Speaker
Bye.
02:22:08
Speaker
Happy birthday, Marissa Tomei.
02:22:10
Speaker
Bye.