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PGW 44: ARIES BOYS VOL 2 (THUNDER ROAD AND M*A*S*H)
10 Plays5 months ago
Happy Birthday Zach and Joe! We came back with another birthday episode to get silly with a pair of comedies. Robert Altman's MASH and Jim Cumming's THUNDER ROAD.
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Introduction & Birthday Celebrations
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Welcome to Paddington Gone Wild, the internet's only birthday-associated podcast.
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I am here with the two birthday boys.
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I am your host, Red Rankin, joined by Joe Hayes.
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Yeah, that's me, bitch.
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And Zach.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Just a couple of birthday boys.
Neato Cube Discovery & Mensa Jokes
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Austin is somewhere.
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He's coming.
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Joe's playing with a breast implant.
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I am.
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It's actually called a Neato Cube.
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I know what a Neato is because every single 12 and 13 year old in the world has five.
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I found out about them because of my 12 year old nephew.
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I picked it up and I went, this is quite nice actually.
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I might need to purchase one of these for myself.
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laughter laughter
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For Zach and I's birthday, if you would like to get us gifts, you could perchance get us somehow.
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I don't know how this works.
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If you could get a Mensa official to come and declare Zach and I geniuses.
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Yeah.
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We already are.
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It's just a matter of getting it certified.
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It's a clerical issue.
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Yeah.
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Easily sorted.
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There was a rounding error.
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Yeah, I don't understand.
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Some areas would like to call them administrative areas.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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We're not asking for a Nobel Peace Prize.
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We just want what's ours.
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Yeah.
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Nobel Peace Prize would be nice.
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What about a Nobel penis, Nobel, Nobel, no, no, no, no dick penis prize.
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Come on.
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You're almost there.
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Yeah, there it is.
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Good job.
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Come jimmings.
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Jimmings.
Birthday Film Picks: MASH Discussion Begins
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This is a birthday boys episode celebrating Zach and Joe.
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And just like we did twice last year, they picked films for us to watch.
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There were some traded off first time watches, but I think I was the only one who watched mash for the first time.
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Oh, no, I also watched MASH.
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Okay.
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Perfect.
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It was one of my Altman blind spots.
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Yeah, the two films are Robert Altman's MASH and Jim Cummings' Thunder Road.
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Two comedies, we will call them that.
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That's what we can call them, sure.
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One of which is pretty much an out-and-out comedy.
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The other one ends in such a way that you giggle to yourself and then...
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It's really upsetting.
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Yeah, I'm not sure there's a single non-satirical moment of MASH.
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Yeah, it's pretty much like a... It's kind of crazy that they don't make comedies like that anymore.
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I mean, we'll get into it, but it's literally just four episodes of TV.
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I was about to say, it feels like an episodic movie.
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It feels like four short stories.
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Yeah.
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I was already going to suggest we start with MASH just in terms of release year.
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Chronological.
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Chronological, if you will.
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Wait, that came out before Thunder Road?
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Well, it depends on which version of Thunder Road you watched.
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Well, actually, I think the other Thunder Road is from 74.
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Chronological.
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Professor McGonagall.
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Oh, okay.
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Shootin' this shit logical.
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Yeah, that's all I got.
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There's no more rhymes with that.
MASH: Satire, Structure, and Performances
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MASH is Robert Altman's Vietnam comedy.
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I mean, it is Korean.
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I'm sorry, Korea.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Wow.
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Yeah, you fucking bitch.
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I sound really bad right now.
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The boys might be a widow sweepy tonight because we are recording.
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But also the funny thing is, put some respect on General Douglas MacArthur's on voice.
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But honestly, with the amount of just out and out racism in certain parts of this film, I feel like, you know, Robert Altman would also be like, fuck it, Vietnam, Korea, same difference.
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I wouldn't doubt it.
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This is genuinely like people say that shit about Blazing Saddles, but you genuinely could not get away with MASH in the way that they...
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There's like sexual assault basically.
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I mean, my, my, what I posted after this watch and I'm, I'm the one who chose it.
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Like, this is a mean fucking movie.
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Yeah.
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It's really mean spirited and brash and not in like a redemptive way at all.
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It's just like,
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Fucking mean.
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And I mean, it kind of is the same sentiment a lot of anti Vietnam movies have because it's just like this whole thing was so goddamn pointless that I have nothing to sugarcoat it with at all.
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Yeah, it's like you put a bunch of people over there in the shit and expect them not to come out psychopaths.
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I just don't see a way out of Vietnam or Korea without some kind of lasting mental damage.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, it's an interesting thing you talked about it, feeling like it is just four episodes in a row.
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And each episode feels like it's a different way.
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It's tackling, like, this is how useless the army was, and this is why Korea was bad.
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And the only time it gets, like, even a skosh earnest is when Hojan is being, like,
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taken into the hospital because they're about to draft him.
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And that's the only time that they get remotely close to a good heart.
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And then the rest of the time, it's like, dude, this just fucking blows.
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Yeah.
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They really hated that war, huh?
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Yeah.
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It's also, I think, an interesting thing.
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I texted the boys when I watched it of being like, oh shit, Radar was the only carryover.
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And I watched a shit ton of MASH the television show growing up.
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Me too.
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And so every episode of like mash the television show has like a moment of a heart of gold and there's an episode that's going to make you cry.
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And it's like really trying to nail that home because obviously it's like trying to be more wholesome television as opposed to a rated R film.
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Yeah.
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I mean, from my understanding, this movie almost just didn't get made because there was like so much strife from every direction.
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Yeah.
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It seems like strife on a Robert Altman set.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It also feels for me, this movie in Nashville feel the most Robert Altman just in just his cynical approach to America, but also like this really pure unadulterated seventies patriotism of like American culture.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I mean, at the same time, like nothing in this script works without Elliot Gould and Sutherland just like going all the way mean and quippy as they possibly could be.
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Yeah, no, they definitely were like really, I mean, and you got to wonder if it, like you said, there's like strife on an Altman set.
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Whoa.
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I just wonder if like a lot of that didn't carry over from like hating being there and hating filming it.
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It's like sort of the set turned into a sort of like a metaphor for the war in and of itself.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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I am very smart.
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This being Altman's, it's his first one, right?
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I'm going to assume you're right, but I'm going to do some Googling.
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I don't know if this is where I would recommend anyone starts with Altman because it's so much of his jumbled dialogue that's layered on top of itself.
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You have to kind of lean in to hear what people are talking about.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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California Split is very much the same way.
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I recommend California Split to anyone because I just think it's fucking incredible.
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California Split is great.
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I think this is the thing.
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I'll say we've been talking kind of like down, like not to say that this isn't a really
Altman's Comedic Style and Soldier Antics
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good movie.
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It is.
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Oh, I love the hell out of this.
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Like it is a very well-made movie.
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It's just like so demoralizing to watch it because it's just like you get kind of infected with the spirit, like the malaise of it all.
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We're just like, yeah, this shit does suck.
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You guys.
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Wow.
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Your lives are terrible.
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Yeah.
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And it doesn't get better day to day.
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No, not at all.
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There's no hope.
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I also like that they, by the end of the movie, like proved themselves as capable doctors.
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Like they had that layer that I feel like Jody Hill and Danny McBride add to their reprehensible characters of like, you know, fucking,
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What's his name?
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Eastbound and down guy.
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Kenny Powers.
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Kenny Powers is actually good at baseball if he's not abusing himself.
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Yeah.
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The gemstones genuinely believe in everything they're talking about.
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Yeah, I think Jodie Hill and Danny McBride, with obviously David Gordon Green, please don't make another horror film, they kind of have a little bit of that Altman spirit of like... It's like a lot of talking over each other.
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It's a lot of yelling, but it's also like shitty characters doing shitty things.
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But I think the thing that makes Altman and...
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and specifically MASH work the same way Gemstones work is because like we're watching it and we know like that I mean these are shitty people Gemstones it's more of like an irony thing because we're like oh this is real life and this is a documentary basically and it's the same thing for MASH but in Gemstones it's like these people are shitty and they're pretty irredeemable because they think they're doing the right thing but they're actually just really shitty and in MASH you sort of get the feeling that like
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I mean, I feel like I would be pretty shitty if I was stuck over in Korea doing jack shit and like watching people die every day.
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Yeah, you'd probably also want to gamble and hit golf balls into a random ass field.
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And cheat on your wife.
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There's a lot of wife cheating in this play.
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A lot of husband cheating.
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Austin's here.
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Sorry, guys.
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Austin, what do you think of the 1970 film by Robert Altman called MASH?
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One of my favorite movies of all time.
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I love MASH so, so much.
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It had a profound effect on me when I first saw it.
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It must have been on my brother's recommendation.
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Not the wife-cheating part.
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He would never do that.
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No, no, no.
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He would never condone that element.
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But the comedic sensibility, I suppose, was what he was looking for.
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I think it was the first Altman movie I saw.
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We were just talking about this being a potentially negative thing, so...
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Sure.
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I think in some regards.
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But I do think...
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It's interesting because I think it's a nice intro to the way he works.
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It
Gould's Career and Duvall's Comedy in MASH
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was for me, at least.
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I can only speak to my own experience.
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But when I first saw it, getting in his rhythm, I was then so much more comfortable watching his other movies.
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And I guess you could say that about The Long Goodbye or California Split.
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Because what he does is he takes these genres that you know, like a war movie or a gambling movie or...
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a detective story and he puts his own sauce and spin on them and does them in his own style which is my first altman was the player see interesting very different movie very different i mean you know by the time you get to those that 90s period and he's making like the player and shortcuts and eventually like gosford park um which underrated altman by the way
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Oh, Gosford Park is completely astonishing.
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I love that movie.
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But this also was kind of the gateway into my love of Donald Sutherland and him becoming one of my guys.
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Yeah, he's fantastic.
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It's one of my favorite performances of all time.
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His little whistle thing.
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How do you feel about the lack of facial hair on him?
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Because Donald Sutherland needs it.
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Awesome.
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I'm fine with it because we get Trapper John.
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We've got the mustachioed motherfucker, and that man is not taking a day off from that mustache.
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Also, Gould with the mustache, I had never seen that before.
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It's a great look for him.
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I wish he would have done it more.
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He had that bushy-ass mustache.
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He did.
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He should have done a McCabe and Missing Miller type movie with that look going on.
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Yeah, he should have done some Westons or something.
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Yeah, if he was full-on Kurt Russell in fucking Hateful Eight.
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Yeah, that would be sick.
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Bushy-ass motherfucker.
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One of my favorite parts of this movie is the fact that there's a bunch of little cameos.
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You've got fucking Johnny Unitas and Fran Tarkenton on the...
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yeah they're just hanging out football game yeah but i said i've never clocked this but apparently sylvester stallone's in this flick oh interesting yeah six years before rocky he's just starting out he's just an extra playing a soldier so i've never clocked him wow he's in the back going
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He was testing out Rocky lines.
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I love this movie so much.
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It's also funny seeing y'all may have touched on this already, but when I saw this movie, the only thing I knew Elliot Gould from was as Ross's dad on friends.
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And I was like, Oh, that's that.
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That guy's fucking awesome.
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like holy shit this is different than ross's dad my first elliot gold was definitely oceans 11 i was about to say mine was oceans 11 yeah i i definitely had seen oceans 11 before this that's that's a good point but again i only knew him as an old guy well also i didn't know oceans 11 elliot gould is so different from like 70s elliot gould oh yeah yeah it's cool like it's crazy to think about
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you look at him in like oceans 11 you're like oh he's like a kind of cool funny old guy you don't think of him as like being the coolest and hottest man in america yeah yeah dude him and him and the fawns have similar trajectories it's true yeah they both become these like old nebbishy jewish guys and then but they started out as these hunks
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Yeah, just lighting cigarettes on any available surface.
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Truly.
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I mean, and then I saw Long Goodbye and California Split, and I was like, is this the greatest actor who ever lived?
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Maybe.
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Yes, he is.
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We also talk about a gentleman named Robert Duvall.
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Oh, my God.
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I literally can't do the Chris Griffin impression.
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It's one of the most impossible verses to be right.
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Adam and I have literally had conversations about how great the vocal choice for Chris Griffin is.
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It's an almost irreplicatable voice.
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It's just Seth Green's voice.
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Yeah, but what I was going to say is I said this off the pod, but every time Robert Duvall came on screen, I just kept hearing it insists upon itself.
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Robert Duvall.
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Yuval!
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I can't do it.
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That was a good effort.
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That was a very good effort.
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I was trying.
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Yuval is next fucking up.
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He's on one.
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He's so good.
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He's on one.
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He's incredible.
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The physical comedy of just him in the straitjacket and the faces he's making.
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That cut, the cut from him getting in the fight with Hawkeye and then just cut to him in a straitjacket with the MPs.
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And Hot Lips is just left to her own devices to suffer.
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Or poor Hot Lips.
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We have to talk about one of the most irredeemable plot points, but also pivotal plot points.
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Latent homosexuality.
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Yeah.
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That one was crazy.
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Payless being a victim of latent homosexuality.
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So that is what I will call a victim of its time.
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Yeah, for sure.
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For sure.
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But it's also like...
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I'm not defending it.
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I'm really not.
MASH's Themes & Controversial Humor
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But like, these guys are idiots.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Like, the movie is very clear that even if these guys were like clever and quippy and hot, it's like, they're dumbasses at war.
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Like, and...
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painless maybe being the dumbest of them all.
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Suicide is painless.
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Exactly.
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The way that song is reincorporated, he does this all the time.
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He does this in The Long Goodbye, too, where The Long Goodbye, the song is reincorporated in different styles all throughout the movie.
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And it happens every day.
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It happens every day.
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But...
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To have the movie open with Suicide is Painless, which is... It doesn't just open with it.
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It kind of opens it with it in a pretty broad war movie way that doesn't have much comedy in it yet because you don't know that Painless is a dentist with a big dick.
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Exactly.
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And then you Painless the pole.
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And then you start... And then you get the Dwight Eisenhower quote that just says, I will go to Korea.
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Yeah.
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Genius quote.
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Which is one of the best opening quotes.
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I will go to Korea.
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It's so fucking funny.
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And then when it comes back and the guy's singing it while they're at his bedside and then Hawkeye's bringing his lover into the room.
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It's like, just lay with him.
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Just lay with him.
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It'll be great for both of us.
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I promise.
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Just baffling that he's just like, just offer up this married woman I've been sleeping with.
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Yeah, to this dude with the biggest hog we've ever seen.
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This movie's attitude towards women is heinous.
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It's heinous.
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Famously very cool with chicks.
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Yeah.
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Rest in peace, our beloved Shelley Duvall.
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Shelley Duvall.
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Had an awful time.
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In fact, probably worse than Stanley Kubrick.
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Yeah.
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It probably is, I will say, accurate about how women were treated.
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That's the thing.
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Yes.
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That's the thing.
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It's like we're looking at... Like the phrase we used, the victim of its time.
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Yes.
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The victim of its time.
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You know, and... Yeah, the...
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when uh hot lips comes back as the cheerleader well that's what i was about to say because hot lips is like she pretty much instantly goes from like hated cunt to like just part of the gang part of the gang just yeah well it's hers it's her sense of uh competition and uh of uh
00:18:54
Speaker
triumph that she feels in her christian religion right yes i mean you know she she needs that sense of triumph always and so if they can win the football game she's gonna feel that triumph amen um also yeah tom scarrett needed more screen time yeah i think tom scarrett gets more screen time in anything yeah yeah he's really fucking funny though he is so good
00:19:16
Speaker
A lot of funny motherfuckers in this film.
00:19:18
Speaker
Can we talk about Hojong?
00:19:21
Speaker
What a legend.
00:19:23
Speaker
The best bartender in all of Korea.
00:19:25
Speaker
You could have a martini delivered by Hojong.
00:19:29
Speaker
If I got served a Hojong martini, I'd be like, well...
00:19:32
Speaker
I guess those three months flew by.
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah, you would fucking... I'd re-up.
00:19:39
Speaker
What's the fucking... Fuck.
00:19:42
Speaker
Sam... Sam Rockwell.
00:19:47
Speaker
Sam Rockwell.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'd pull a Sam Rockwell and White Lotus.
00:19:51
Speaker
I'd relapse.
00:19:52
Speaker
Wow, I really fucked that one up.
00:19:54
Speaker
You're doing great, pal.
00:19:57
Speaker
There was just nowhere to go.
00:19:58
Speaker
And then you pick Sam and then a very standard last name.
00:20:04
Speaker
And it was like, oh, man, there's too many fucking avenues, man.
00:20:07
Speaker
Too many fucking ways to go.
00:20:10
Speaker
Oh my god.
00:20:12
Speaker
I was going to say the way the Sam Rockwell monologue would have fit perfectly in this movie though if we're being honest.
00:20:20
Speaker
Just one of them being like I think I might be a Korean woman.
00:20:25
Speaker
And then I'll be like okay.
00:20:27
Speaker
Zach were you talking about Hojong?
00:20:28
Speaker
Yeah, I was talking about Hojan still.
00:20:31
Speaker
But related to Hojan, one of my favorite moments in this movie is when Elliot Gould just pulls out a jar of olives.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:42
Speaker
And somehow makes it look like the coolest thing anyone's ever done.
00:20:46
Speaker
He so delicately eats one and you're just like, uh-oh.
00:20:49
Speaker
That's just the Gould classic.
00:20:51
Speaker
It's just doing something in the coolest way you've ever thought possible.
00:20:55
Speaker
His whole mystery bit where he's like trying to not give himself away as to who he is at the beginning.
00:21:01
Speaker
And then he finds out and he says like Alga skunk in college versus Dartmouth.
00:21:09
Speaker
And then you beat them because Hawkeye caught a pick off him or something.
00:21:15
Speaker
And then they're just like the best of friends.
00:21:18
Speaker
That is just how dudes become friends, though.
00:21:20
Speaker
It's true.
00:21:21
Speaker
It's dudes rock as fuck.
00:21:22
Speaker
We interacted one time 20 years ago.
00:21:27
Speaker
Let's go get drunk right now.
00:21:28
Speaker
And now we're here in Korea?
00:21:30
Speaker
Let's go play golf.
00:21:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:33
Speaker
Honestly, the most... In Japan.
00:21:36
Speaker
Exactly.
00:21:36
Speaker
The most indefensible moment in the movie to me is when they first get to Japan and he's yelling in fake Japanese out of the golf cart.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's not great.
00:21:48
Speaker
That's real bad shit.
00:21:50
Speaker
That was the only moment where I really went like, ugh, and pulled on my collar.
00:21:53
Speaker
Okay, but to be fair... Because the rest of it is like, these are shitty people and you know...
00:21:57
Speaker
That also happens in Licorice Pizza.
00:22:00
Speaker
Well, one of the funniest moments in that movie.
00:22:03
Speaker
You know, PTA has said for a long time that his hero is Robert Altman.
00:22:10
Speaker
That moment in Licorice Pizza, Red and I were in the theater together watching it, and the level of discomfort that erupted in the theater.
00:22:17
Speaker
in that theater in Dallas when that moment happened and then the few there was people laughing by the second time he does it people were laughing but yeah it's just the same thing that we've been saying though it's like it's a joke that that guy is shitty we're allowed to laugh at him being a racist yeah
00:22:34
Speaker
I mean, it's not... We're not condoning it.
00:22:37
Speaker
The movie's racist.
00:22:38
Speaker
It's a joke.
00:22:39
Speaker
This movie is, though.
00:22:41
Speaker
This movie is racist.
00:22:42
Speaker
I'm not defending MASH.
00:22:45
Speaker
I don't think licorice pizza is racist.
00:22:47
Speaker
No, it's certainly not.
00:22:49
Speaker
MASH is... This movie is Hank Hill's dad.
00:22:51
Speaker
Yes.
00:22:52
Speaker
Cotton Hill.
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:56
Speaker
Didn't he lose his limbs in Korea?
00:22:59
Speaker
No, just the bottom half.
00:23:01
Speaker
No, he lost his shins in World War II.
00:23:03
Speaker
Yeah, his shins are gone.
00:23:06
Speaker
Just his shins?
00:23:08
Speaker
Yeah, and the bit about Cotton is that he somehow killed 50 Nazis in the Western Front, and he killed a bunch of Japanese people in the Eastern Front.
00:23:23
Speaker
Is that the other way around?
00:23:25
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:23:26
Speaker
I don't know.
00:23:27
Speaker
I just know that, like, honestly, growing up in Texas, I feel like I came across both Vietnam vets and Korean vets.
00:23:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
And the Korean War vets are, like, all super racist.
00:23:43
Speaker
Oh, totally.
00:23:45
Speaker
Totally.
00:23:46
Speaker
The Vietnam guys are too fucked up to be racist.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, they're just doing, they're just, they have acid brain.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:53
Speaker
I was looking at the IMDb for this movie, and when Painless says, during the football game, he's lining up on the line.
00:23:59
Speaker
He says, all right, bub, your fucking head is coming right off.
00:24:02
Speaker
Apparently, that was the first use of the word fuck in a major studio picture.
00:24:07
Speaker
Wow.
00:24:10
Speaker
It took us until 1970.
00:24:11
Speaker
That makes sense.
00:24:13
Speaker
That's when the Hays Code ends in 1969, right?
00:24:18
Speaker
Something like that.
00:24:19
Speaker
It's something like that.
00:24:20
Speaker
Aptie ear for it to end.
00:24:22
Speaker
Exactly.
00:24:23
Speaker
Because it was like, because it ended and then we got Easy Rider and then that like launched a whole wave of sex and fuck and murder.
00:24:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:32
Speaker
The dirty 70s.
00:24:33
Speaker
Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, man.
00:24:34
Speaker
We should say though, this movie won an Academy Award for Best Screenplay.
Favorite Altman Films & Thunder Road
00:24:38
Speaker
I mean, honestly, it's a great screenplay.
00:24:40
Speaker
It's an incredible screenplay.
00:24:41
Speaker
It simultaneously could win the award for most screenplay.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:46
Speaker
Because you just have a feeling that Altman was like, I want you to say all these things.
00:24:52
Speaker
Don't ad lib any of this shit.
00:24:53
Speaker
I'm writing it all down.
00:24:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:55
Speaker
I have a lot of dirty shit I want you to say.
00:24:57
Speaker
Speaking of not writing a lot of shit down, Red and Joe, did y'all like the way he handled the credits in this one?
00:25:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:03
Speaker
It's really good.
00:25:05
Speaker
My favorite credits ever.
00:25:07
Speaker
It's fantastic.
00:25:08
Speaker
Very funny shit.
00:25:09
Speaker
They're phenomenal credits.
00:25:11
Speaker
I mean, he's the best.
00:25:13
Speaker
It's also crazy that he was 40 when he made this.
00:25:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:17
Speaker
I also like that he did a bit as the credits, but didn't roll into an actual scroll.
00:25:24
Speaker
It's just over.
00:25:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:26
Speaker
It's quick.
00:25:27
Speaker
He's out of there.
00:25:29
Speaker
Altman is an example of this, but it's pretty common in specifically the film industry that people's debut films happen in their 30s and 40s often.
00:25:40
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:25:41
Speaker
For sure.
00:25:42
Speaker
Because it's like, I can attest as a guy in my 20s who's made short films, you're not very good at it in your 20s because you're figuring it out because you've never done it before.
00:25:52
Speaker
I'm in my 30s now, so I'm going to have a debut coming soon.
00:25:56
Speaker
Coming soon, baby.
00:25:58
Speaker
Jack hits 35 and he has like an Academy Award nomination.
00:26:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:03
Speaker
I am.
00:26:04
Speaker
I mean, I am planning on a I am.
00:26:07
Speaker
My mom has a Super 8 camera stashed away.
00:26:09
Speaker
And my sister is getting married in Italy next year in like country near Florence.
00:26:16
Speaker
So I like really want to write a like Lockheed Mara type script thing to film my brother in when we're over there.
00:26:24
Speaker
Because I really think my brother could pull off like a Josh O'Connor vibe.
00:26:30
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:26:31
Speaker
I love that.
00:26:32
Speaker
Depressed in the countryside of Italy.
00:26:36
Speaker
Go Vincent Gallo style.
00:26:37
Speaker
Real blowjob.
00:26:38
Speaker
Unsimulated.
00:26:40
Speaker
Who's giving him the blowjob?
00:26:42
Speaker
Doesn't matter.
00:26:42
Speaker
Some Italian whore.
00:26:47
Speaker
Joe, every second of every video on the tip of his tongue is just go Vincent Gallo mode.
00:26:53
Speaker
It's just ready to go.
00:26:54
Speaker
Except I like his movies.
00:26:56
Speaker
I don't like his politics.
00:26:58
Speaker
I was about to say you only like his politics.
00:27:01
Speaker
The flicks suck, dude.
00:27:02
Speaker
Wait, no, I didn't know he made movies.
00:27:04
Speaker
What the hell?
00:27:05
Speaker
What the hell?
00:27:05
Speaker
I thought he was just a talking head.
00:27:07
Speaker
Love him in that one.
00:27:09
Speaker
Dude's on Facebook about Paul Schrader.
00:27:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:13
Speaker
I loved him for his Facebook.
00:27:15
Speaker
I was not aware he made films.
00:27:17
Speaker
I am forced to unstand.
00:27:19
Speaker
He's a great commenter.
00:27:21
Speaker
I didn't realize he did anything else.
00:27:23
Speaker
I love his punditry.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's fantastic.
00:27:26
Speaker
Let's get Paul Schrader on Fox News.
00:27:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:29
Speaker
Give him a show.
00:27:31
Speaker
Him and Nick Nolte have a show on Fox News.
00:27:34
Speaker
It's just gravel.
00:27:37
Speaker
You can't hear a goddamn word.
00:27:39
Speaker
Speaking of punditry, I do have a PSA.
00:27:43
Speaker
On behalf of the podcast, I sent a message to Kristen Milioti, and she did not respond.
00:27:49
Speaker
But I do want her and all the listeners to know she is still welcome on the pod.
00:27:54
Speaker
Oh, it's time.
00:27:55
Speaker
If you guys would, I'm not requesting, I'm telling, just send her a little DM.
00:28:04
Speaker
She'll have a great time, and we can talk about whatever she wants.
00:28:07
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:28:08
Speaker
I think that's a great idea.
00:28:09
Speaker
Is there any world she's welcome for you, Zach?
00:28:12
Speaker
Any what?
00:28:14
Speaker
Is there any world that she's welcome in your life?
00:28:16
Speaker
I know she's welcome on the pod.
00:28:18
Speaker
Seconds, minutes, hours.
00:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:22
Speaker
Fair enough.
00:28:23
Speaker
Yeah, love it.
00:28:24
Speaker
Love it.
00:28:25
Speaker
I was going to say about Robert Altman, it's an interesting thing because I think a lot of people end up with his entire filmography, of which there are many, many, many, many films.
00:28:36
Speaker
He made a lot of movies.
00:28:37
Speaker
Everyone always has, like, the same top nine of their top ten, and then everyone has, like, the most random, like,
00:28:47
Speaker
bullshit or bad Altman thrown in there where there's just like, no, I just love it.
00:28:52
Speaker
It's perfect.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even know if MASH is my top three Altmans, but it's just charming.
00:29:00
Speaker
It's probably, yeah, it's probably in my top three.
00:29:04
Speaker
I love, man, I love all the 70s stuff.
00:29:07
Speaker
I love California Split.
00:29:09
Speaker
I think my top three goes Long Goodbye, Three Women, and then California Split.
00:29:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:16
Speaker
McCabe and Mrs. Miller is up there for me too, which I think is one of the most indelible movies.
00:29:20
Speaker
What's up, Maddie?
00:29:22
Speaker
Maddie.
00:29:22
Speaker
Hey, Maddie.
00:29:27
Speaker
She's locking in.
00:29:28
Speaker
Can you hear us?
00:29:29
Speaker
I don't think that's the headphones he was using.
00:29:32
Speaker
I don't know ASL either.
00:29:34
Speaker
You need the cans.
00:29:35
Speaker
So the listeners confused as hell.
00:29:37
Speaker
Joe's not at his desk.
00:29:39
Speaker
Matty just came and sat down to join us.
00:29:44
Speaker
There you go.
00:29:45
Speaker
Get the cans.
00:29:47
Speaker
Hi, Matty.
00:29:47
Speaker
Hi, Matty.
00:29:49
Speaker
How's it going?
00:29:50
Speaker
Hold on.
00:29:52
Speaker
Hi.
00:29:52
Speaker
Hi.
00:29:53
Speaker
Hey.
00:29:54
Speaker
How are you?
00:29:55
Speaker
I'm just getting home for the day.
00:30:00
Speaker
Maddie, what's your top three Robert Altman movies?
00:30:06
Speaker
I don't even have a... I was going to try.
00:30:09
Speaker
I'm so tired.
00:30:13
Speaker
It's good to see you, Maddie.
00:30:15
Speaker
Good to see you guys, too.
00:30:16
Speaker
I'm going to go to bed.
00:30:18
Speaker
Okay, good night.
00:30:19
Speaker
Have sweet dreams.
00:30:23
Speaker
Oh, my gosh.
00:30:25
Speaker
Fantastic.
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah, I think like when came Mrs. Miller, California Split.
00:30:29
Speaker
I've never seen Brewster McCloud.
00:30:31
Speaker
I really want to.
00:30:32
Speaker
Me neither.
00:30:33
Speaker
I feel like it could solely for the fact that it was filmed in the Astrodome.
00:30:38
Speaker
We're talking top three alt-mins, Joe.
00:30:41
Speaker
Oh, well, I had a good idea.
00:30:44
Speaker
Mike's hot.
00:30:45
Speaker
You're clipping, bro.
00:30:46
Speaker
Fuck.
00:30:47
Speaker
That is hot.
00:30:49
Speaker
Hold on.
00:30:49
Speaker
Hold on.
00:30:50
Speaker
Leroy Jenkins.
00:30:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:54
Speaker
Okay, I turned it off and back on again.
00:30:55
Speaker
Did that do anything?
00:30:56
Speaker
Yeah, you sound better now.
00:30:58
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:59
Speaker
I had a bit idea where I would go to when I got back from pissing that I would just walk into frame like dick just like full out of my pants.
00:31:11
Speaker
And I was this close.
00:31:14
Speaker
Just have a hanger.
00:31:16
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
00:31:17
Speaker
Top three Altman is long goodbye.
00:31:23
Speaker
McCabe and Miss Miller and the player.
00:31:25
Speaker
Ooh, the player.
00:31:26
Speaker
See?
00:31:27
Speaker
Gosford Park is up there for me, too.
00:31:28
Speaker
I mean, like, he made a lot of stinkers in the midst, but his, like, up to the end.
00:31:33
Speaker
I've never seen Prayer Home Companion, which I think was his last one.
00:31:35
Speaker
I love that flick.
00:31:37
Speaker
Really?
00:31:37
Speaker
I have it on DVD.
00:31:38
Speaker
I need to watch it.
00:31:40
Speaker
I need to rewatch the player, but I remember watching it and going, this shit fucking rules.
00:31:48
Speaker
It's one of the great horror movies.
00:31:51
Speaker
And also, Tim Robbins?
00:31:53
Speaker
The player.
00:31:54
Speaker
Tim Robbins is phenomenal.
00:31:59
Speaker
Speaking of, Jacob's Ladder, pretty good.
00:32:02
Speaker
Yeah, really good.
00:32:03
Speaker
Is that Adrian Lyne?
00:32:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:06
Speaker
Who made that?
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:07
Speaker
Good flick.
00:32:08
Speaker
I watched that last year.
00:32:09
Speaker
Very good flick.
00:32:11
Speaker
You know what else is a good flick, Austin?
00:32:13
Speaker
Talk to me.
00:32:14
Speaker
Jim Cummings Thunder Road.
00:32:16
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:32:16
Speaker
Let's get into it.
00:32:18
Speaker
I knew you guys all would like this movie, but it's one of those ones where you just kind of have to see it and then you get it.
00:32:24
Speaker
You know?
00:32:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:26
Speaker
No, 100%.
00:32:26
Speaker
I'll say it was not what I was expecting it to be.
00:32:29
Speaker
Yeah, same.
00:32:32
Speaker
I thought... I've seen the short.
00:32:34
Speaker
I'd seen the short a couple of times because I had spent more than an hour in a room with Joe when alcohol was present.
00:32:42
Speaker
And so it had been turned on him or our buddy Gabe Lipton.
00:32:46
Speaker
Gabe also loves this movie.
00:32:49
Speaker
And so I'd seen the short and going into the movie I was like, okay, I bet there's going to be more cop stuff.
00:32:56
Speaker
Like more action-y.
00:32:57
Speaker
Like maybe he's redeemed.
00:32:59
Speaker
Like maybe, you know, I thought it would be more conventional.
00:33:01
Speaker
And this movie is not conventional.
00:33:03
Speaker
No.
00:33:04
Speaker
In the slightest.
00:33:05
Speaker
In a way that I really loved.
00:33:07
Speaker
Zach's comment that it was like Sean Baker through the lens of Jody Hill slash Danny McBride was pretty spot on.
00:33:16
Speaker
I totally agree.
00:33:20
Speaker
I hadn't finished the movie when I sent that, and it got even more Sean Baker-y than I expected it to.
00:33:26
Speaker
It has a very Sean Baker-y.
00:33:27
Speaker
Which is a very welcome choice for me.
00:33:29
Speaker
That ending is like...
00:33:32
Speaker
Y'all, though, the funniest moment in the movie, to me, spoiler alert for Thunder Road, and then we can talk about the whole movie, but it's when he slaps his dead ex.
00:33:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's incredible.
00:33:43
Speaker
I laughed so fucking hard.
00:33:45
Speaker
But it's also, that moment made me, like, it had a humorous
00:33:51
Speaker
Impact got me really also felt it.
00:33:55
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:33:55
Speaker
I think the reason I laughed so hard is because I was also really uncomfortable.
00:33:58
Speaker
That is the main strength of this movie is that it marries tragicomedy better than any recent memory better than any other tragicomedy I've ever seen do it.
00:34:08
Speaker
Because most of the time it's one and the other.
00:34:11
Speaker
It's either really sad or very funny.
00:34:13
Speaker
But Thunder Road finds a way for a lot of the scenes to be both.
00:34:18
Speaker
Well, yeah, even the movies that do try to do both, it's like scene by scene, not line by line.
00:34:24
Speaker
And like this movie will genuinely have back to back a line that makes you want to cry and one that makes you laugh out loud at the TV.
00:34:31
Speaker
I don't know how he pulls that off.
00:34:34
Speaker
It's incredible.
00:34:34
Speaker
It's all the performance, I think, which is his performance is astounding.
00:34:38
Speaker
But the bit where he's in the parking lot of the police station chamber.
00:34:44
Speaker
When he's taking off his clothes.
00:34:45
Speaker
Yeah, when he's taking off his clothes.
00:34:46
Speaker
And he goes, you guys don't know about none of this shit.
00:34:50
Speaker
And the guy, he goes, I was sleeping in my car.
00:34:54
Speaker
And the guy goes, and I brought you dinner that one time.
00:34:57
Speaker
And then he just on a dime switches from angry to sad and goes, and I really appreciated that back then.
00:35:05
Speaker
All the while having a big-ass hole in the back of his tighty-whities.
00:35:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's incredible.
00:35:10
Speaker
The little bit of visual comedy there.
00:35:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:15
Speaker
Perfect.
00:35:15
Speaker
Joe, do you want to pitch this movie at all to the general public?
00:35:19
Speaker
Because I don't know how well-known it is.
00:35:21
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, to RJ.
00:35:24
Speaker
Yeah, to RJ.
00:35:27
Speaker
Pitch it to RJ.
00:35:28
Speaker
So basically, this movie is about a police officer.
00:35:33
Speaker
Don't worry, it's not a cop movie.
00:35:35
Speaker
it's not propaganda it is not it is quite the opposite or anti-police i think yeah i think it's just like it's just like about a cop yeah and the cop shit that happens is really devastating and uh like it's more about how how fucked how fucked up his life is because he's a cop um
00:35:58
Speaker
But it's basically about this guy who's kind of a loser, but he's trying.
00:36:05
Speaker
He's quitting smoking to try and be a better father.
00:36:07
Speaker
He's trying to save his mother, his dead mother, or grandma's... Grandma?
00:36:14
Speaker
Mother's mom.
00:36:16
Speaker
His dead mom's dance studio.
00:36:18
Speaker
He's trying to be a good cop.
00:36:21
Speaker
He's really trying, which is, I think, the strength of this movie is that...
00:36:26
Speaker
He wants to be the best version of himself.
Thunder Road's Character Growth & Filmmaking
00:36:30
Speaker
But simply because of whatever mental illness or thing going on in his brain, he just can't crack it.
00:36:37
Speaker
He's got really bad anger issues.
00:36:39
Speaker
Dyslexia, right?
00:36:42
Speaker
He's got dyslexia.
00:36:43
Speaker
Dyslexic, yeah.
00:36:45
Speaker
And he's just doing his best, and bad shit keeps happening to him.
00:36:50
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:36:52
Speaker
And that's basically the movie.
00:36:55
Speaker
It's very funny.
00:36:56
Speaker
It's very sad.
00:36:57
Speaker
It's really well shot.
00:36:59
Speaker
Yeah, it looks great.
00:37:00
Speaker
Impeccably directed.
00:37:02
Speaker
It's a really good use of long takes mixed with edited moments where some of these shots take their time, but then it doesn't just rely on that to be a gimmick.
00:37:14
Speaker
It uses it as a tool.
00:37:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:37:17
Speaker
Under $200,000 budget, like insane, looks great for, like, it looks great for any movie, but especially when you consider that, it's like, holy shit.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's a movie, like the whole, Jim Cummings' whole thing, and one of the reasons why I like him so much, why he's sort of a personal hero of mine, is his mission is to inspire people that you can just make a movie in your backyard with your friends.
00:37:42
Speaker
You get... He was friends with Trey Edward Scholes.
00:37:47
Speaker
They met on the festival circuit because of the Cretia Short and the Thunder Road Short were playing a lot of the same festivals, I believe.
00:37:53
Speaker
The guy who plays the chief in this is the uncle in Cretia.
00:37:57
Speaker
And that guy's also a Linklater regular.
00:38:00
Speaker
Yeah, he is.
00:38:01
Speaker
He's like an Austin guy.
00:38:02
Speaker
He's like a Texas actor.
00:38:05
Speaker
But yeah, it's like a really homegrown movie that doesn't... Sometimes when you watch those, you go, okay, good job, buddy.
00:38:14
Speaker
You guys made a movie.
00:38:15
Speaker
That's really cool.
00:38:16
Speaker
But this one is genuinely really good.
00:38:20
Speaker
Shot in Austin, right?
00:38:21
Speaker
yeah sean austin i believe james moment yeah i believe tiffany gabe gabe lipton's wife is an extra in the opening scene that they had to reshoot oh nice i believe don't uh don't quote me on that you know if they did he reshoot it or is that opening section just the short no he reshot it because they couldn't get the rights to the song again
00:38:45
Speaker
Oh, interesting.
00:38:46
Speaker
That explains that choice.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah, so in the short, at the end of the funeral scene, he sings along to and dances to the full song Thunder Road by Bruce Springsteen.
00:38:56
Speaker
That's right.
00:38:57
Speaker
But in the movie, they can't get the CD player to work.
00:39:02
Speaker
And so he does it.
00:39:04
Speaker
He just does the dance and kind of explains what's happening to the song.
00:39:08
Speaker
And then they bring that back for the credits.
00:39:10
Speaker
Yes.
00:39:10
Speaker
I love when they run that behind the credits.
00:39:14
Speaker
I like, I mean, it's very inventive and smart use of that, like, trouble to just say like, yeah, we're gonna make something out of this.
00:39:24
Speaker
His little Hello Kitty ass speaker is not gonna work.
00:39:28
Speaker
Like, and he's, the performance is so phenomenal that you would never think there was another option.
00:39:34
Speaker
Well, and also the funny thing is, is that because so they got the rights in the first place on accident.
00:39:43
Speaker
They just did it.
00:39:44
Speaker
They just did it with the song.
00:39:46
Speaker
And it won South by, I believe.
00:39:49
Speaker
And Bruce Springsteen saw it and was like, OK.
00:39:53
Speaker
That's a no-no, but it was good, so I'm going to let you guys off.
00:39:57
Speaker
Don't worry about it.
00:39:59
Speaker
That's awesome.
00:40:01
Speaker
But then they couldn't get the rights the second time because they had already done the don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness once, and they couldn't do the rights.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, fair enough.
00:40:09
Speaker
I'm with Austin, though.
00:40:11
Speaker
The way he interacts with that fucking shitty piece of plastic tells you so much about his personality and who he is.
00:40:18
Speaker
It's incredible.
00:40:22
Speaker
It's very smart.
00:40:23
Speaker
It's very cleverly.
00:40:24
Speaker
It's a fully committed performance.
00:40:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:27
Speaker
All the way through.
00:40:28
Speaker
That's sort of his MO though.
00:40:30
Speaker
He, in everything I've seen him in, in Jim stones, uh, he has a small bit in the premiere of the fourth season.
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:39
Speaker
Uh, he is in Barry.
00:40:41
Speaker
He plays the, he plays the person who plays Barry in the Barry movie in universe.
00:40:48
Speaker
That's such a funny joke.
00:40:48
Speaker
And then in his two other films, he just kind of gives these fully embodied performances.
00:40:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:55
Speaker
Do you like his other movies, Wolf of Snow Hollow and Beta Test?
00:40:58
Speaker
Is that the other one?
00:40:58
Speaker
I don't think... I think Wolf of Snow Hollow is not quite as good as Thunder Road.
00:41:03
Speaker
And I think that Beta Test, the ending is a little bit struggles.
00:41:08
Speaker
But the Beta Test is so ambitious that I kind of forgive it.
00:41:11
Speaker
The Wolf of Snow Hollow is good.
00:41:14
Speaker
but it does feel like kind of a sophomore effort.
00:41:16
Speaker
You know, like he put a lot of his juice into the first one and then he, and then he wanted to make a horror film.
00:41:22
Speaker
Uh, and so my, my letterboxd review of the Wolf of Snow Hollow is what if the cop from Thunder Road was meaner?
00:41:29
Speaker
Oh, um, so, but in this movie he's dealing with daddy issues instead of trying to be a dad.
00:41:35
Speaker
Is Robert Forster playing his dad?
00:41:36
Speaker
I believe so.
00:41:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:37
Speaker
Sick.
00:41:38
Speaker
Dude.
00:41:38
Speaker
All I care about right now is beans is in the background.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah, we got Beans on camera.
00:41:44
Speaker
Beans!
00:41:46
Speaker
Mr. Bean.
00:41:46
Speaker
Oh, man, that is my homie.
00:41:50
Speaker
I love a sloppy looking dog.
00:41:53
Speaker
I love a beagle.
00:41:54
Speaker
I don't know why he sits like that.
00:41:56
Speaker
He sits like a person.
00:41:58
Speaker
What do you think about Jim Cummings?
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:03
Speaker
Did someone say bone?
00:42:05
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:42:05
Speaker
Did someone say a treat?
00:42:07
Speaker
He watched about half that movie with me.
00:42:10
Speaker
I think he perked up when he starts screaming in front of the police station.
00:42:14
Speaker
That's loud noise.
00:42:17
Speaker
Or there was a doorbell at one point, and he cannot decipher when a doorbell's in a movie or in real life.
00:42:22
Speaker
Hey, neither can I, pal.
00:42:26
Speaker
Yeah, he's not fucking special, is he?
00:42:28
Speaker
Because that happens to me.
00:42:31
Speaker
I think one of my other favorite things about this movie is...
00:42:34
Speaker
Like I said before, it marries the tragedy and comedy really well, but it also doesn't shy away.
00:42:39
Speaker
Like, it doesn't...
00:42:41
Speaker
It's not so committed to being funny that it's not afraid to just let something fucked up happen.
00:42:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:46
Speaker
The ending's not farcical in any way.
00:42:48
Speaker
No, it's intense.
00:42:51
Speaker
The comedy that's in it is because of the character.
00:42:54
Speaker
Exactly.
00:42:55
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:42:56
Speaker
And like the scene where the scene where they like him and his partner go into that restaurant and the guy's like wielding a knife.
00:43:05
Speaker
It's pretty fucked up scene.
00:43:07
Speaker
It is.
00:43:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:08
Speaker
But then also there's like quite a bit of humor like right before that and then his partner's reaction to seeing the dead body is also pretty funny.
00:43:19
Speaker
I love maybe my favorite scene in the movie is when his partner comes over when he's really struggling and he just like calls his wife and he's like hey I need you to come pick me up in like three hours.
00:43:30
Speaker
He's like really?
00:43:31
Speaker
We're gonna get really fucked up.
00:43:33
Speaker
That guy needs to get more work.
00:43:34
Speaker
He's wonderful.
00:43:35
Speaker
He's incredible.
00:43:37
Speaker
Yeah, he is really great.
00:43:40
Speaker
But I, yeah, I just loved, like, I love that little bit of, like, interiority to, because we get the scene at their house when they're having dinner, which I also really like, and, like, getting to see our main character interact with his kids, his partner's kids, is really great.
00:43:56
Speaker
Because you can see, like, he is kind of good with kids.
00:43:59
Speaker
Like, he's a sweet guy.
00:44:00
Speaker
And you see that at the end, too, when he goes to his sister's house.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:04
Speaker
He loves these kids.
00:44:05
Speaker
It's just like he can't figure out how to connect with his own.
00:44:08
Speaker
He's not a dumb piece of shit.
00:44:10
Speaker
He's just a dumb ass.
00:44:12
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:44:12
Speaker
His sister might be a better Austin mom than Leslie Bibb in White Lotus.
00:44:16
Speaker
Oh, fair.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah, she's great.
00:44:18
Speaker
She's real solid.
00:44:19
Speaker
She's really good.
00:44:20
Speaker
Also, another fun indie movie crossover, his ex-wife is played by Jacqueline DeBoer.
00:44:28
Speaker
I don't know how to pronounce her name.
00:44:30
Speaker
She is the director and star of Greener Grass, which is another indie movie that I really liked.
00:44:36
Speaker
Oh, okay, cool.
00:44:37
Speaker
It's a really fucked up stoner comedy.
00:44:39
Speaker
It's got Beck Bennett in it.
00:44:42
Speaker
It's kind of like a Lynchian comedy.
00:44:44
Speaker
And I say that with utmost respect.
00:44:47
Speaker
They actually kind of nailed the vibe.
00:44:48
Speaker
It's not like, this is Lynchian when it's just kind of weird.
00:44:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:53
Speaker
Oh, there's Riddles in this.
00:44:55
Speaker
Is she in any way related to University of Alabama football head coach Kalen DeBoer?
00:45:00
Speaker
Maybe.
00:45:01
Speaker
I don't know.
00:45:03
Speaker
That movie has a thing.
00:45:05
Speaker
Greeter Grass has a thing with adult braces that they just keep showing up close shots of adult braces and it's very funny.
Personal Stories & Shyamalan's Films
00:45:12
Speaker
I do like that.
00:45:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:45:14
Speaker
We should all get adult braces.
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah, let's... Well, I fucking... My bottom teeth are fucked up.
00:45:20
Speaker
I still have a permanent retainer on my bottom teeth.
00:45:24
Speaker
I just didn't wear my retainer.
00:45:25
Speaker
My top teeth are kind of fucked up still, but they can never be as fucked up as they were when I was a kid because I had an extra tooth.
00:45:32
Speaker
Oh, for real?
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, so this tooth, like the top, my top canine.
00:45:37
Speaker
For the listeners, he's pointing to one of his teeth.
00:45:39
Speaker
Pointing to my canine on my top left side.
00:45:42
Speaker
This tooth came in in my gums.
00:45:45
Speaker
Oh.
00:45:45
Speaker
And I had an extra tooth in its place.
00:45:47
Speaker
I had a friend in middle school who had that.
00:45:49
Speaker
Yeah, so they had to pull that tooth.
00:45:50
Speaker
And then basically the whole, and I had a big old gap in between my two front teeth.
00:45:54
Speaker
Which was honestly kind of cute and I'm kind of madly took it out.
00:45:56
Speaker
But what are you going to do?
00:45:58
Speaker
I kind of fuck with the tooth gap.
00:45:59
Speaker
I still have a baby tooth.
00:46:02
Speaker
For real?
00:46:05
Speaker
If there's no big tooth to push it out, it's still there.
00:46:09
Speaker
That's crazy, bro.
00:46:10
Speaker
That's kind of sick.
00:46:12
Speaker
Now I want to write a horror movie about that tooth haunting you.
00:46:16
Speaker
I don't know if you can tell.
00:46:18
Speaker
If you don't get rid of all your baby tooth, it's like a curse.
00:46:21
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:46:22
Speaker
It's like the Tooth Fairy.
00:46:23
Speaker
Oh, it's a slasher movie about the Tooth Fairy.
00:46:25
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:46:27
Speaker
He's coming for your ass.
00:46:28
Speaker
But it's also on the old beach, and so people are just falling out of their head all the time.
00:46:34
Speaker
You guys remember Old Beach?
00:46:37
Speaker
I still love that movie.
00:46:38
Speaker
I love Old Beach, man.
00:46:40
Speaker
That movie, I saw it.
00:46:41
Speaker
It was like one of the first movies I saw back in theaters.
00:46:43
Speaker
I saw it with Clarissa and my friend Jordan.
00:46:46
Speaker
I think Clarissa and I were like just newly dating.
00:46:48
Speaker
And we saw it and I was we walked out and we were like, that was kind of bad.
00:46:52
Speaker
And then the next day I woke up and I was like, that movie rules.
00:46:55
Speaker
I so quickly turned around.
00:46:57
Speaker
I was like, that movie's sick.
00:46:58
Speaker
Well, I was about to say, if I was on any other podcast other than a podcast with three other sickos, I would have made Old one of my birthday movies because I want to make people watch it.
00:47:08
Speaker
But y'all already watched it.
00:47:09
Speaker
Y'all already liked it.
00:47:11
Speaker
I love Old.
00:47:12
Speaker
I've never seen Old.
00:47:13
Speaker
Oh, you got to check it out.
00:47:15
Speaker
It's fantastic.
00:47:17
Speaker
If you fucked with Trap, you're going to fuck with Old.
00:47:20
Speaker
It's the same sort of like...
00:47:22
Speaker
Did a human write this dialogue?
00:47:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:24
Speaker
Oh, the dialogue is... But it's the best Shyamalan has ever implanted himself into a movie.
00:47:30
Speaker
I was like, whoa!
00:47:32
Speaker
His director cameo.
00:47:34
Speaker
Aaron Pierre as mid-sized sedan.
00:47:37
Speaker
Mid-sized sedan, dude.
00:47:38
Speaker
The greatest character in him of all time.
00:47:41
Speaker
Adam's bit about Aaron Pierre looking like an actor from a Tubi movie is no more apparent than in old...
00:47:49
Speaker
He really looks like an actor in a Tooby movie.
00:47:51
Speaker
Yeah, he looks like Michael Chi-White or something.
00:47:53
Speaker
In Rebel Ridge, he looks like a goddamn movie star, but in old, you're like, what?
00:47:58
Speaker
Who is this guy?
00:47:59
Speaker
Yeah, we should just talk about old.
00:48:02
Speaker
Let's just do an old cast.
00:48:04
Speaker
We should do a late-stage Shyamalan cast.
00:48:06
Speaker
That would be awesome.
00:48:08
Speaker
That's like 40% of this show.
00:48:10
Speaker
But Trap is like a split episode.
00:48:12
Speaker
We just talk about other movies and then all of a sudden one of us is like, you guys remember The Cabin?
00:48:18
Speaker
Remember when that guy from Community makes movies?
00:48:27
Speaker
yeah exactly is the visit the start of like quote-unquote late period Shyamalan yeah that's when he started like self-financing right so yeah you would consider like lady in the water and like the happen that's like mid-period okay mid-period Shyamalan yeah that's his blue period and I still have never seen lady in the water
00:48:51
Speaker
it's demented.
00:48:53
Speaker
Um, in a good way.
00:48:54
Speaker
No, it's not.
00:48:55
Speaker
No, I don't really like it.
00:48:56
Speaker
I heard there's a guy with a weird arm.
00:48:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:58
Speaker
There's a lot we could do.
00:49:00
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:00
Speaker
So are we, are you in the, in the camp of like early Shyamalan?
00:49:05
Speaker
Good mid Shyamalan, bad late Shyamalan return to form.
00:49:08
Speaker
I don't think it's all bad in the mid-period.
00:49:10
Speaker
I really like The Village.
00:49:13
Speaker
You're goddamn right, you do.
00:49:16
Speaker
The Village kind of feels like the same era as Sixth Sense, though, to me.
00:49:20
Speaker
It feels like early.
00:49:23
Speaker
I don't like The Happening.
00:49:24
Speaker
I think The Happening is quite bad.
00:49:25
Speaker
There's a film Twitter... They're trying to take back The Happening.
00:49:31
Speaker
They're wrong.
00:49:31
Speaker
It's really bad.
00:49:32
Speaker
There's a big film Twitter reckoning with it.
00:49:35
Speaker
I will say...
00:49:37
Speaker
It is quite poor.
00:49:38
Speaker
It is very bad.
00:49:38
Speaker
It's quite poor.
00:49:40
Speaker
I did a drinking game playing The Happening, and I drank a lot.
00:49:43
Speaker
It seems like one of those movies that would be really good with your buddies when you're off of something.
00:49:48
Speaker
Allegedly.
00:49:49
Speaker
I will say, I think the first eight minutes of The Happening is on its way to being an excellent movie.
00:49:54
Speaker
He's got visual panache.
00:49:57
Speaker
Wahlberg is terribly miscast.
00:49:59
Speaker
Zooey Deschanel is terrible.
00:50:01
Speaker
Wahlberg is miscast in almost every movie he's ever been in, except for The Departed.
00:50:06
Speaker
And Flight Risk.
00:50:08
Speaker
Okay, very, very honest.
00:50:11
Speaker
The Fighter?
00:50:12
Speaker
But I basically, yeah, I think like Lady in the Water, The Happening, Last Airbender, After Earth, that's a horrific run.
00:50:20
Speaker
That's bad.
00:50:21
Speaker
That's not good.
00:50:22
Speaker
Like, all of those movies are like D- at best, in my opinion.
00:50:28
Speaker
Coming off of the Sixth Sense Unbreakable Signs and The Village, all of which rock.
00:50:35
Speaker
Goddamn, right?
00:50:36
Speaker
all rock and then he does those four and then he comes back with the visit which is in my opinion quite good does split glass underrated last old knock at the cabin and trap yeah old knock at the cabin trap or he's like that's like that's like that's that's a solid three for right what's your favorite out of that out of that late period trap
00:51:02
Speaker
Wow.
00:51:02
Speaker
It's a great question.
00:51:03
Speaker
Trap head.
00:51:04
Speaker
Trap or old?
00:51:05
Speaker
I love trap.
00:51:06
Speaker
You could ask me a different thing.
00:51:09
Speaker
They do different things for me.
00:51:11
Speaker
I mean, like...
00:51:12
Speaker
Knock at the Cabin, man.
00:51:13
Speaker
Bautista's various performance.
00:51:15
Speaker
The ratings for those would be like Trap 9.5, Old 9.4, Knock at the Cabin 9.3.
00:51:26
Speaker
One's not definitively better than the other one.
00:51:29
Speaker
Hey, fun fact related to something I learned three minutes ago is that Knock at the Cabin was shot by the same guy as Greener Grass.
00:51:37
Speaker
Oh, cool.
00:51:38
Speaker
There we go.
00:51:39
Speaker
Connectivity.
00:51:40
Speaker
It all ties back together.
00:51:41
Speaker
We are so freaking nerdy.
00:51:44
Speaker
Meanwhile, Trap is shot by the guy who shot Challengers and Queer.
00:51:48
Speaker
He was just so crazy.
00:51:49
Speaker
My guy.
00:51:53
Speaker
I mean, I put me, trap connection.
00:51:57
Speaker
He shot all of the Peter Pong's movies and then was like, what if I just shoot Josh Hartnett at a concert, at a Lady Raven concert?
00:52:04
Speaker
That's the thing about trap.
00:52:05
Speaker
The Lady Raven stuff kind of drags it down just below some of the others.
00:52:09
Speaker
I kind of love the Lady Raven shit.
00:52:12
Speaker
dude i think we've all come back around because phil twitter so bad in it like i i like it as like an idea she's just so i think that i really fucked with the the nepo baby casting of his daughter in a way that like warmed my heart as a future father of like yeah i'm gonna give my shitty kid a role in my movie i know they're not very good no
00:52:34
Speaker
I know.
00:52:35
Speaker
Listen, I know.
00:52:36
Speaker
But I'm going to cast them.
00:52:37
Speaker
It's in the sort of grand lineage of like, we know he's a family man.
00:52:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:41
Speaker
We know his kids are crucial to him.
00:52:42
Speaker
He's a dad.
00:52:43
Speaker
And to do that in the same year that his other daughter put out her first movie.
00:52:47
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Yes.
00:52:48
Speaker
Very special stuff.
00:52:49
Speaker
I can get behind that.
00:52:51
Speaker
I just think the other performances in that movie, particularly Josh Hartnett and Allison Peele, are so good.
00:52:56
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Mm-hmm.
00:52:57
Speaker
Then it just feels a little disjointed.
00:52:59
Speaker
The part I can't get behind and I might actually even be wrong about is isn't she actually trying to make a music career?
00:53:08
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Yeah.
00:53:08
Speaker
Yeah, she's like an actual musician.
00:53:09
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That's the part that feels weird to me.
00:53:11
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If it was just like some bullshit.
00:53:15
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A little bit of a blessing to his kid like we were talking about.
00:53:18
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Yeah, let the kid do their thing in the movie.
00:53:22
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As like a guerrilla marketing scheme almost.
00:53:26
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It kind of fucking sucks.
00:53:28
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I don't know where this idea came from, but I'm just picturing the whole movie.
00:53:31
Speaker
But instead of Lady Raven, it's Bad Bunny.
00:53:33
Speaker
that would be sick as fuck yeah brother bad bunny has my favorite snl like celebrity sketch of all time which is the burts bees my daughter is getting married sketch that's a good one it is so phenomenal sometimes i'll just watch it if i ever need like a pick me up it's so funny yeah and it's a sketch that somehow mikey day doesn't figure out how to fucking tank yeah well he's very good at tanking
00:54:04
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Yeah, the movie would have been better if it was Bad Bunny.
00:54:06
Speaker
Or Mikey Day.
00:54:08
Speaker
What if it was Mikey Day, but it was all the same music as Lady Raven?
00:54:13
Speaker
It was Lady Raven played by Mikey Day?
00:54:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:17
Speaker
What about Glenn Howard and his Lady Raven?
00:54:19
Speaker
Speaking of horror movie pop star stuff, the girl in Smile 2, I think, did a good job being a pop star.
00:54:26
Speaker
I need to see it, I've heard it's good.
00:54:28
Speaker
I've heard he said he liked it.
00:54:31
Speaker
I liked it, but... Two is better than one?
00:54:34
Speaker
Two is better than one for sure.
00:54:36
Speaker
But the first 10 minutes of two should have been the plot of the second movie.
00:54:43
Speaker
And this should have been like a third installation.
00:54:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:46
Speaker
You're a, you're a, you're a real ride or die for that guy.
00:54:49
Speaker
What's his name?
00:54:50
Speaker
Kyle Garner.
00:54:51
Speaker
He's just in some fun horror stuff.
00:54:53
Speaker
It was less of a, I mean, he, yeah, he's awesome.
00:54:56
Speaker
You'll know exactly what I'm talking about because you've seen strange darling of like what he's capable of.
00:55:02
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Yeah.
00:55:04
Speaker
And when you see the first 10 minutes and see what the plot could have been, it's like some vigilante antihero shit with like a demon attached to it.
00:55:14
Speaker
Sick.
00:55:14
Speaker
Would have been fucking sick.
00:55:17
Speaker
That movie.
00:55:18
Speaker
I am holding out hope that David Robert Mitchell does something really fucking fun and crazy with the It Follows sequel.
Film Style Comparisons & Media Highs and Lows
00:55:25
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Oh, yeah.
00:55:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:26
Speaker
Do you like Under the Silver Lake?
00:55:28
Speaker
You're goddamn right.
00:55:29
Speaker
I do.
00:55:30
Speaker
I like it a lot.
00:55:31
Speaker
I do, too.
00:55:32
Speaker
I do, too.
00:55:32
Speaker
I'm glad we're in a safe space.
00:55:34
Speaker
That movie feels... I think I advocated so hard for it that Zach watched it.
00:55:37
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Circling back to Altman, that's a weird sort of like demented nephew of Long Goodbye, that movie.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, definitely.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, it feels like Long Goodbye... It feels like...
00:55:49
Speaker
It feels like if Altman did a pinch-on instead of PTA.
00:55:52
Speaker
Interesting.
00:55:53
Speaker
I was going to say Jarmusch does Altman.
00:55:57
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Yeah, it's got some of that, too.
00:55:59
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Yeah, sure.
00:56:00
Speaker
I just like that because I was pitching it to Adam the other day as like, what if a detective, like a noir movie happened, but all of the clues led him to nowhere?
00:56:11
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Pretty much.
00:56:13
Speaker
and you're just along for the ride and it's kind of yeah it's great it's very funny that's kind of what Inherent Vice is until it kind of does Inherent Vice like most Pinchon shit has like this 70's like very political it's certain it reeks of leftism but it does it in a way that's not preachy no
00:56:39
Speaker
It's great.
00:56:40
Speaker
I didn't know that Pinchon was a busted motherfucker.
00:56:43
Speaker
I looked up a picture of him.
00:56:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:56:44
Speaker
That's an ugly bitch.
00:56:49
Speaker
I just looked up a picture of Hunter S. Thompson.
00:56:51
Speaker
I forgot how handsome Hunter S. Thompson is.
00:56:53
Speaker
And I wanted to know what Pinchon looks like.
00:56:55
Speaker
Pinchon's got a space for writing novels, man.
00:56:57
Speaker
But Pinchon also took care of himself and lived a long life.
00:57:03
Speaker
But the thing is that Hunter S. Thompson might have lived longer if he didn't kill himself.
00:57:07
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I'm sorry, October.
00:57:11
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October, yeah.
00:57:12
Speaker
Yeah, I was talking to Matty about this.
00:57:14
Speaker
I was looking up Hunter S. Thompson's birth and death date because I knew he had died semi-recently.
00:57:20
Speaker
When did he die?
00:57:22
Speaker
Hunter S. Thompson or Pinchon?
00:57:24
Speaker
Hunter S. Thompson.
00:57:25
Speaker
Thomas Pinchon's still alive.
00:57:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:27
Speaker
Him announcing a new book is how I found out he was not dead.
00:57:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:31
Speaker
He's still kicking.
00:57:32
Speaker
But I was like, he died when he was 61.
00:57:34
Speaker
I guess that makes sense.
00:57:35
Speaker
He died in 2005.
00:57:37
Speaker
So I was like, I guess that makes sense for his like drug and drinking habits.
00:57:40
Speaker
And then I found out that he remembered that he died from suicide.
00:57:42
Speaker
And I was like,
00:57:44
Speaker
Huh.
00:57:45
Speaker
I really would have thought that the drugs would have taken him out before.
00:57:47
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Yeah, he wasn't doing great, though.
00:57:50
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He wasn't the best of health when he did that.
00:57:54
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Yeah.
00:57:55
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If you ever have, I'm sure y'all have, because we're all absolute idiots, but the sort of laundry list of everything he would consume in a day.
00:58:05
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Yeah.
00:58:05
Speaker
And I'm sure there's an element of truth and an element of falsehood to that list.
00:58:09
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Yeah, for sure.
00:58:10
Speaker
It's embellished.
00:58:11
Speaker
Yeah, but him waking up at 1 in the morning and eating 10 strips of bacon.
00:58:18
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That tracks.
00:58:18
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That's 100% real.
00:58:19
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Yeah, of course.
00:58:20
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And smoking a pack of cigarettes before the sun comes up.
00:58:23
Speaker
That also tracks.
00:58:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's fantastic.
00:58:26
Speaker
You boys want a high and low while we're fucking shooting the shit?
00:58:30
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Yeah!
00:58:33
Speaker
Let's do it.
00:58:34
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So this is the Kirk Kurosawa high and low, which each of us will talk about the best and worst media we consumed over the last week.
00:58:43
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And I would like Joe to go first because he looked the most prepared.
00:58:47
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I am prepared, actually.
00:58:51
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What I'm going to say for my low is sad because I really wanted to like it.
00:58:58
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is Mickey 17.
00:58:59
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I still have 30 minutes left, but I'm not enjoying it.
00:59:02
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Damn.
00:59:04
Speaker
I am pretty... I'm pretty... I'm bouncing off the writing really hard.
00:59:10
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It drags in the middle, and then it keeps dragging, and then I don't feel like it's going to let up.
00:59:19
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However, I will say that Pattinson and Naomi Ackie and Steven Yeun are great.
00:59:27
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I don't really like Ruffalo in this movie, and Toni Collette doesn't really have a lot to do, but she just shows up and does the job.
00:59:35
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That's Toni Collette.
00:59:36
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She's great.
00:59:38
Speaker
And the set design is incredible.
00:59:39
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I like the music.
00:59:42
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I just, the script just does not hold any water for me, like at all.
00:59:46
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Yeah.
00:59:47
Speaker
But I liked what I saw and I liked the little creatures.
00:59:50
Speaker
I liked the little creepers.
00:59:51
Speaker
They're great.
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, dude, they rule.
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah, they're awesome.
00:59:54
Speaker
I want a plushie.
00:59:55
Speaker
I want a plushie so bad.
00:59:56
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Yeah.
00:59:57
Speaker
They're great.
00:59:58
Speaker
I just didn't, I wanted to like the movie because I love Bong Joon-ho, but it just kind of, it's the same thing with Okja for me where I just kind of like, I don't know.
01:00:04
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See, I feel more that way about Okja than Mickey 17.
01:00:09
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But they're in a similar mold.
01:00:11
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If that style of his doesn't blend with you, then that's just... A couple honorable mentions.
01:00:17
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One, Josh Rubin's Hard Eyes, the Valentine's Day Slasher.
01:00:21
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I had a lot of fun with it.
01:00:22
Speaker
Not perfect.
01:00:24
Speaker
But it has some of the... There were like two or three line deliveries in this movie that were so fucking funny that I rewound it and watched them a couple of times.
01:00:33
Speaker
Hell yeah.
01:00:35
Speaker
That's good to hear.
01:00:36
Speaker
There's this one joke where this guy goes, I will destroy you on Yelp.
01:00:40
Speaker
And then hangs up the phone and the guy goes, I'm not even on Yelp, dick.
01:00:44
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LAUGHTER
01:00:46
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pretty good um but yeah no it's it's an inventive way to do like a rom-com slasher it's very cute i like the leads they're very cute uh and the kills were pretty good i was pleasantly surprised it's like a couple of the kills were like really gnarly um good sfx makeup fun time uh are dana brewsters in this flick yeah i think i don't know which one she is my love she's a detective top off
01:01:13
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No, there's actually... I do not believe that there are any titty in this movie.
01:01:16
Speaker
Is there a dick?
01:01:17
Speaker
Dude, get the fuck out of Valentine's Day horror slasher with no titty?
01:01:21
Speaker
I think it's PG-13 if I'm... I can't tell from the other box.
01:01:27
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Sounds like this movie sucks duck piss.
01:01:33
Speaker
My other honorable mention goes to warfare.
01:01:35
Speaker
I really liked that movie, but I don't really want to get into it because we could talk for like an hour about the ethics of that movie.
01:01:40
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And I want to wait until you all have already seen it.
01:01:42
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I'm excited to see it.
01:01:43
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But my high Austin knew it was coming.
01:01:47
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You all know is coming with sinners.
01:01:49
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Fucking awesome movie.
01:01:52
Speaker
Fucking awesome.
01:01:53
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I'm so excited for you all to watch it.
01:01:55
Speaker
It's incredible.
01:01:56
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Great time at the movies.
01:01:58
Speaker
Every review is glowing and every review is accurate.
01:02:03
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Great time.
01:02:04
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Super cool.
01:02:04
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Michael B. Jordan is a goddamn movie star.
01:02:07
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Oh my God.
01:02:08
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He's never been better.
01:02:10
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He's so great.
01:02:11
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Let me tell you, the two main characters that he plays are named Smoke and Stack.
01:02:19
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Correct.
01:02:19
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It's so cool.
01:02:20
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The Smokestack Twins.
01:02:22
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The Smokestack Twins, baby.
01:02:23
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It's fucking... Great opening, great everything.
01:02:28
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Big fan of this movie.
01:02:29
Speaker
Go see it.
01:02:30
Speaker
On the biggest screen possible.
01:02:32
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The studios want to bury it because Brian Coogler signed a good deal and the rights go back to him in 25 years and the studios don't like that.
01:02:40
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Variety actually revised their headline.
01:02:43
Speaker
Good.
01:02:43
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Everyone was fucking mad about it because it was a stupid fucking headline.
01:02:46
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They were like, $65 million for a $90 million movie is kind of not a good opening weekend.
01:02:52
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Everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:02:54
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It was like a side-by-side report on Once Upon a Time and the reporting on this one, which is pretty similar numbers.
01:03:00
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And it was pretty blatantly awful.
01:03:02
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It was better than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
01:03:04
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It also made $15 million internationally, which in the middle of April for a movie starring all African-American people is really fucking good.
01:03:14
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And a couple of Chinese people.
01:03:15
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And a couple of Chinese people, lest we forget.
01:03:17
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And one fucked up white dude.
01:03:21
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And Haley Steinfeld.
01:03:21
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One quirked up white boy.
01:03:23
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Nobody knows.
01:03:27
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Well, apparently she's one-eighth black.
01:03:29
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That's what she says.
01:03:30
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In this movie, she is.
01:03:32
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No, they trace that from her real life.
01:03:34
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Oh, really?
01:03:34
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That's cool.
01:03:36
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Yeah.
01:03:37
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It's the same lineage.
01:03:38
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I believe it's her mother's father was half black.
01:03:43
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That's what she says in the movie.
01:03:44
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Yeah, exactly.
01:03:45
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Cool.
01:03:46
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Well, go see it.
01:03:47
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Yeah, fantastic.
01:03:49
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Zach?
01:03:50
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Hello?
01:03:51
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How long ago did we fucking record, man?
01:03:54
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I don't know what the last... Alright.
01:03:58
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I don't know what my low is.
01:04:00
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I feel like
01:04:04
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I don't know if I said this on a pod yet, but I started that show Paradise and it sucked dick.
01:04:09
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It sucks dick.
01:04:10
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Yeah.
01:04:10
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I watched the whole thing.
01:04:11
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It sucks.
01:04:12
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That's like the big low thing that stands out in my mind.
01:04:15
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Otherwise, I feel like I've been watching a lot of really good shit.
01:04:18
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Oh, I know what my low is.
01:04:20
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I started a movie the other day and I couldn't make it.
01:04:24
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I started Better Man the other day and I couldn't make it more than 15 minutes.
01:04:28
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Yeah.
01:04:29
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It's so hard to watch.
01:04:32
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I don't know.
01:04:34
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Maybe it changes in the movie and it gets more fun, but I could not do it at all.
01:04:39
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Do it with the monkeys.
01:04:41
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I had a couple blind spots I took care of.
01:04:45
Speaker
Grave of the Fireflies, incredible.
01:04:49
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Malcolm X is a fucking masterpiece.
01:04:52
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Unforgiven.
01:04:56
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Unforgiven is probably my high.
01:04:57
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I think it's literally just like a perfect beat for beat.
01:05:00
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Yeah, dude.
01:05:01
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Looks fucking gorgeous.
01:05:03
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Yeah, it does.
01:05:05
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Yeah, there's... I don't know.
01:05:06
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I'm late to that one, but it's gonna be a movie that I probably rewatch at least once a year.
01:05:13
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It's a dadcore movie.
01:05:16
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Honorable mention to The Big Short.
01:05:18
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First rewatch since theaters for that one.
01:05:21
Speaker
Oh, wow.
01:05:21
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A good flick.
01:05:23
Speaker
Good flick?
01:05:23
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Yeah.
01:05:24
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A little bit too prescient right now.
01:05:26
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Yeah.
01:05:27
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It's pretty bad.
01:05:29
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Also, shout out to One of Them Days, which is basically a remake of Friday with Kiki Palmer and SZA.
01:05:37
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I love that.
01:05:38
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Sounds amazing.
01:05:38
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Is it on Netflix now?
01:05:39
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One of Them Days?
01:05:40
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It's on Netflix, yeah.
01:05:41
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Matt and I both want to watch the movie.
01:05:42
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It's literally Friday.
01:05:45
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Amazing.
01:05:46
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I love Friday.
01:05:46
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It's a great formula for a movie.
01:05:49
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Zach, who do you want to hear from?
01:05:51
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Austin, you go.
01:05:52
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I'll go.
01:05:54
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My low, sad to say, is Clark Johnson's SWAT, starring Colin Farrell and Samuel L. Jackson, which I turned on because I was like, I had been thinking about our hotel movie draft, which just published today, and I was like, I just kind of want a mindless, fun action movie, and it just didn't even hit the spot for that, which I found to be a bummer.
01:06:12
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Damn.
01:06:13
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There's some fun bits.
01:06:14
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Samuel L. Jackson, literally at one point, LL Cool J is driving a car.
01:06:18
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You've sold me.
01:06:20
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And Samuel L. Jackson's in the passenger seat.
01:06:22
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And Samuel L. Jackson says, whip this bitch.
01:06:25
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Yeah.
01:06:26
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Make a U-turn.
01:06:27
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And LL Cool J says, whip in this bitch.
01:06:29
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And then turns the car.
01:06:30
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And I was like, okay, that raises this movie a star.
01:06:33
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Just that moment.
01:06:34
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That rocks.
01:06:35
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It's a good moment.
01:06:36
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It's kind of the urtext of Jeremy Renner playing an absolute piece of shit.
01:06:40
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um which is interesting to look at he plays like a former cop who's now trying to be a thief um but all to say low um some honorable mention rewatches i'll just list these quickly uh shutter island uh confess fletch um which john ham playing fletch movie
01:06:58
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Very fun movie.
01:07:00
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One of my favorite rewatches of the past few years.
01:07:02
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The Parallax View.
01:07:05
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And then a couple honorable mention new watches to me.
01:07:07
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Escape from Alcatraz.
01:07:08
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Schindler's List.
01:07:11
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Miami Blues.
01:07:13
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Which is a weird Alec Baldwin movie.
01:07:15
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From 1990.
01:07:18
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Where Baldwin plays a guy who just got out of prison.
01:07:20
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And basically starts fucking up the life of this cop.
01:07:23
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um sounds great it's super weird sense of humor jennifer jason lee um very fun weird movie um but like joe my high is also sinners um i had the opportunity to see sinners on one of 10 screens in the world that's showing it on 70 millimeter imax you son of a bitch jalous which was a an absolutely phenomenal fucking experience seeing it that way completely sold out screening um
01:07:52
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Yeah, I don't want to say anything about it because I can't wait for y'all to see it and we can talk about it more.
01:07:57
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Yeah, I think I'm going to go Wednesday.
01:07:59
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Fantastic.
01:07:59
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I am going tomorrow.
01:08:00
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It's a masterpiece in my opinion.
01:08:03
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Truly one of the great theatrical experiences in my life getting to see that movie.
01:08:06
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Genuinely can't wait to go see it again, honestly.
01:08:08
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Same.
01:08:08
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I was like, Clarissa, whenever you want, we're going to go again because I know I miss stuff.
01:08:13
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It is chock-a-block full of shit.
01:08:16
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Don't fret.
01:08:18
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It is very horny.
01:08:20
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Oh, it is.
01:08:21
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It is horned up to a million.
01:08:24
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I pity the vampire movie that's not horny.
01:08:28
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They have to be.
01:08:29
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It's maybe the horny genre we have.
01:08:31
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Vampires are inherently metaphorically horny.
01:08:36
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Yeah, there's so many little moments in the movie that I can't wait to just break down with them because it's phenomenal.
01:08:43
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Red, you're up.
01:08:45
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Last but not least, but definitely not least, Red Rankin.
01:08:51
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Okay.
01:08:52
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Okay.
01:08:55
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My low is, I think I referred to it as Jurassic World Come Shitbutt.
01:09:02
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Yeah, you did.
01:09:03
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That's exactly verbatim.
01:09:04
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Otherwise known as Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom.
01:09:06
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Yeah.
01:09:07
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Which is white porn.
01:09:11
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It's so bad.
01:09:12
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Yeah, but Chris Pratt with the raptors.
01:09:15
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I saw that movie in theaters.
01:09:18
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And I think my Letterboxd review was, this guy can't even make dinosaurs fun.
01:09:22
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Damn.
01:09:23
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The crazy thing is, it's a brisk two hours.
01:09:26
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I mean, it feels very long, but I, for some perverse reason, am going to watch probably tonight or tomorrow, Jurassic World Dominion.
01:09:36
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Which is better.
01:09:38
Speaker
Interesting.
01:09:39
Speaker
Still not very good.
01:09:40
Speaker
I've heard the opposite.
01:09:42
Speaker
That one's almost a crisp three-hour flick.
01:09:44
Speaker
Dominion's the second one, right?
01:09:45
Speaker
The G.A.
01:09:46
Speaker
Bayona?
01:09:47
Speaker
No, that's Fallen Kingdom.
01:09:48
Speaker
Oh, that's the third one.
01:09:50
Speaker
Oh, Fallen Kingdom, I like more.
01:09:51
Speaker
Sorry.
01:09:52
Speaker
This is such a weird thing to hear because I also know all these things to be true, but I also have had like a urge to just go through all of them.
01:10:02
Speaker
I'm going to watch all of them.
01:10:03
Speaker
Because I need to at some point.
01:10:04
Speaker
I'm going to start from the beginning and watch all of them before the new one comes out because I like dinosaurs and I like ScarJo and Mahershala.
01:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, Melanie's talking.
01:10:19
Speaker
Our Dino's put together correctly on everybody's live this week.
01:10:22
Speaker
Fascinating.
01:10:24
Speaker
So a couple of honorable mentions.
01:10:27
Speaker
One honorable mention, since the last time we recorded, your boy got pit-pilled.
01:10:31
Speaker
Yes.
01:10:33
Speaker
Since the last time we recorded, the pit has finished.
01:10:35
Speaker
Episode 15 has released.
01:10:37
Speaker
The shift is over.
01:10:39
Speaker
For now, they've been renewed.
01:10:42
Speaker
For now, they have been renewed.
01:10:44
Speaker
Did y'all hear what he said about like the setting for the second season?
01:10:47
Speaker
No.
01:10:47
Speaker
Yeah, we're gonna get some Jason Pierre Paul motherfuckers with fireworks.
01:10:51
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:10:51
Speaker
It's like July 4th.
01:10:52
Speaker
July 4th weekend.
01:10:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:55
Speaker
Oh, like blowout style.
01:10:56
Speaker
There also was a rumor that it's a first day back on the shift for fucking what's his face after rehab.
01:11:04
Speaker
Oh, for Langdon?
01:11:06
Speaker
Oh, they had to bring him back.
01:11:07
Speaker
He's too sexy.
01:11:10
Speaker
Stop.
01:11:11
Speaker
You're too sexy.
01:11:12
Speaker
Don't stop doing pills.
01:11:14
Speaker
You're so sexy.
01:11:16
Speaker
No, don't do pills.
01:11:17
Speaker
They're so sexy.
01:11:21
Speaker
By the way, Matty has developed a new crush, and it's Dr. Rabinowitz.
01:11:27
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:11:27
Speaker
Rabinowitz, yeah.
01:11:29
Speaker
Hottie Hottie Hottie
01:11:33
Speaker
We love him.
01:11:34
Speaker
I mean, no, Wiley.
01:11:35
Speaker
Boy.
01:11:36
Speaker
Hot.
01:11:37
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:40
Speaker
A couple honorable mention re-watches.
01:11:44
Speaker
Rewatched Heat.
01:11:45
Speaker
Fucking bangs.
01:11:47
Speaker
Rewatched Jaws.
01:11:49
Speaker
Fucking bangs.
01:11:51
Speaker
On Easter Sunday.
Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut & Moonstruck Praise
01:11:53
Speaker
I rewatched Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.
01:11:56
Speaker
A church movie.
01:11:57
Speaker
That's a movie about God.
01:12:00
Speaker
It is a movie about God.
01:12:01
Speaker
And honest to goodness, I think a pro-marriage film.
01:12:05
Speaker
It is.
01:12:06
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:07
Speaker
Should we fuck?
01:12:08
Speaker
The pot is making you aggressive.
01:12:11
Speaker
I think ultimately, it's Stanley saying, hey, if you're faithful to one another, you don't end up in this bullshit.
01:12:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:18
Speaker
Just don't fuck other people, man.
01:12:19
Speaker
If you just calm down and trust your spouse, you'll be just fine.
01:12:23
Speaker
He made a pro-marriage movie and the government fucking killed him.
01:12:26
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:27
Speaker
It's true.
01:12:31
Speaker
One honorable mention, first watch, taking a Pelham 123, and the reason I'm taking so long is I wanted to clear out space because my favorite first watch of since the last time we recorded whatever that is, like eight days, is Moonstruck.
01:12:45
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:12:47
Speaker
You killed Austin.
01:12:49
Speaker
I needed to give Austin.
01:12:49
Speaker
It's perfect.
01:12:50
Speaker
It's a perfect move.
01:12:51
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:51
Speaker
Norman Jewish.
01:12:52
Speaker
God bless.
01:12:52
Speaker
God bless.
01:12:53
Speaker
I share the hottest anyone's ever looked ever.
01:12:57
Speaker
That gray streak in her hair.
01:13:00
Speaker
Oh my God.
01:13:02
Speaker
Like.
01:13:03
Speaker
Had a blast.
01:13:04
Speaker
I'm literally out of breath.
01:13:05
Speaker
I'm so happy about this.
01:13:08
Speaker
It's a tight 102 minutes and it flies by.
01:13:12
Speaker
The jokes are stacked to the goddamn seat.
01:13:15
Speaker
Oh, you're speaking my language.
01:13:17
Speaker
It's just perfect.
01:13:19
Speaker
Danny Aiello fucking rocking the house.
01:13:23
Speaker
He's incredible.
01:13:25
Speaker
Olympia Dukakis.
01:13:26
Speaker
Olympia Dukakis.
01:13:27
Speaker
Fucking incredible.
01:13:28
Speaker
Phenomenal as well.
01:13:30
Speaker
I'm going to refrain from making a joke about her name.
01:13:33
Speaker
thank you she's a perfect greek woman it's also one of the great pieces of cinema about greeks playing italians alongside other italians and nailing it yeah fucking crushing it um yeah moonstruck it's a masterpiece go watch it it's currently on the criterion collection amen um i'm sorry the criterion channel because they're different
01:13:55
Speaker
And that's been our show.
Closing & Birthday Wishes
01:13:57
Speaker
Thank you, boys, for coming along with me on this journey.
01:13:59
Speaker
Thank you.
01:14:00
Speaker
Anytime.
01:14:01
Speaker
Thank you, Joe.
01:14:02
Speaker
Go get your honk shoes with your candlestick.
01:14:05
Speaker
We better get sleepy in this day.
01:14:07
Speaker
Happy birthday to Zach and Joe.
01:14:09
Speaker
We love you, boys.
01:14:10
Speaker
Happy birthday.
01:14:11
Speaker
Love you.
01:14:12
Speaker
Love you, listeners.
01:14:13
Speaker
Okay, bye.
01:14:14
Speaker
Bye.
01:14:14
Speaker
Bye.