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PGW 40: OSCARS THE GROUCH A REACTION SHOW
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The fellas provide their reactions to the nominations and Joe and Red get into it about cinematography.
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Introduction and Hosts
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Welcome to Paddington Gone Wild, the internet's only pro-Monica Babaro podcast.
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I'm one of your hosts, Red Rankin, joined as always by my illustrious co-host and Oscar prognosticators.
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We have Mr. Joe Hayes.
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What's up, bitch?
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I'm coming in strong this episode.
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I don't give a fuck anymore.
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This guy loves the Oscars.
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Mr. Zach.
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FDT bitches.
Oscar Nominations and Performance Discussion
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FDT.
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PGW official stances FDT.
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And my partner in Oscar obsession, Mr. Austin Ingalls.
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That's me, baby.
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Yeah.
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I woke up this morning to watch the nominations.
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I laid in bed and watched them on a YouTube live stream on my phone.
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How are Bowen and Rachel?
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They were fine.
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I mean, they give them so little sort of leeway to have fun, but they did have fun.
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And it was, even though I'm not supportive of Wicked as a contender, you know, it was fun to see Bowen get excited.
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I saw people giving Buscemi and fellow children comparisons.
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Oh, I can see that.
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I can see that for sure.
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How you doing with little kids?
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It was it was nice.
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You know, it was it was kind of sweet, but, you know, they had fun and it was it was nice to see before they got started.
Fast and Furious Franchise Conversations
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The president of the Academy made a long statement about like the fires and how they're planning the ceremony to help support, you know, all the disaster relief going on in L.A.
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So that was nice, too.
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Thank God for Fast X2.
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All love, baby.
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It's all love, baby.
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It's all love.
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It's all love.
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Oh, my God.
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Jordana Brewster, come on the pod.
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Please.
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Yo, early crush for me.
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Oh, what's that?
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What's the seafood restaurant called?
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Fuck.
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Red Lobster?
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No.
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There's one that's like paramount to the family.
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Yeah, I think we're talking about Red Lobster.
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Are you thinking of the diner that her and Dom's dad or family supposedly owns?
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Nobody here likes the tuna.
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When does that come into the picture?
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Is that in the first movie?
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That's in The Fast and the Furious, the first one.
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That's the only time it's featured.
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I haven't seen the first one in a very long time.
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Ironically, I've been contemplating a fast rewatch for the past couple weeks.
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Are you going to get them all on blue?
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I have them up to six.
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That's really all I need.
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I have the first eight box set.
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And even as a fast obsessive, I still have not seen Fast X. I kind of boycotted it because they didn't name it Fast 10 Your Seatbelt.
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I mean, that's a real mistake.
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I think it would have made $2 billion.
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I think it would have been the highest grossing movie of all time if they had done that.
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Fastillion dollars.
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We've had this conversation before, but as a fast franchise defender, it is the biggest crock of shit.
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that was my thing is I was like not excited for it but I was like oh cool another fast movie I'll go see it and then everybody I know who has defended the franchise even up till then was like yeah it sucks shit and I was like okay and the worst thing as soon as I heard that they tried to retcon fast 5
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I was like, you guys can go crawl up your own assholes.
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Like, I was so pissed off.
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One of the great works of cinema.
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I agree.
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That's my favorite of them.
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I mean, I love the first few.
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I mean, it's crazy that John Singleton directed Too Fast, Too Furious.
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When you think back on it, in a short life and short career, he managed to make that thing.
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What do you guys think a John M. Chu Fast and Furious movie would look like?
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A bunch of wide shots of Vin Diesel dancing.
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If he shot it like in the Heights, I'm sure it would look beautiful.
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But if it was anything like Wicked, it would look like dog ass.
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It definitely has musical energy in him.
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Oh, yeah.
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That song he released on Spotify.
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I was about to say, have you heard that song?
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Yeah, dude.
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It kind of rips.
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Theater kid energy.
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Me and Red and Ice friend George would play that song all the fucking time.
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Kind of a banger.
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A good song to drink beer to.
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You know what?
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It's called Happy, right?
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Some Coronas with the boys.
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Yeah, man.
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With La Familia.
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Yeah, with the family.
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Remember, you can have any beer you want as long as it's a Corona.
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Exactly.
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And you've got to hold it by the neck.
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Always.
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Always hold it by the neck.
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Absolutely.
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I miss them.
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I do too.
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I miss them.
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They were
Oscar Nominations Deep Dive
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awesome.
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Listener, this is our Oscars reaction show.
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Um...
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It's just a little bit of some reactions to the nominations, some reactions to films that are now at a historical level of nominations, which I thought is confounding.
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As well as we'll talk about some snubs.
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We're just going to go a little in order.
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We'll go below the line going up to...
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wrapping up with the acting nominations and best picture.
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We'll just talk about each category.
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We'll probably skip over some stuff.
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The shorts, which I don't think most of us have seen.
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I haven't seen any of them.
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I haven't seen any of the shorts, documentary, or narrative.
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And then we'll go through and then we'll hit everyone's favorite part of the show, the Akira Kurosawa high and low.
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Amen.
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But I think probably the proper place to start
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would be... Let's go with... I want to start here specifically with Best Original Song.
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And I'm choosing to start with Best Original Song because... And I mentioned historic levels of nominations.
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Emilia Perez, the Jock Odiard film, has been nominated for 13 Academy Awards.
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13 Academy Awards, which means it is tied for second all-time nominations.
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With films like Chicago, Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Gone with the Wind.
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Gone with the Wind.
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All sorts of... It's about as culturally sensitive as Gone with the Wind.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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I should also say, before we get started, really get started, is Zack is the only person who has finished this film.
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Correct.
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Here's the thing.
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Do not think it should be nominated for hardly anything less than 13 nominations, but I have some things to say.
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i'll caveat it with i went into this movie with the two things i had watched before it i went to a live broadway show so i was already in musical brain and the movie i watched just before emilia perez was bad boys ride or die which is my least favorite 2024 releases the bar was very low going into emilia perez and while i think
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It's nothing spectacular.
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I will still stand by that it is getting piled on way more, way more than it deserves.
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Okay.
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Most of my negativity comes from the one song that I heard, which is the song where they're in the fucking operating room and they're talking about like... So I saw that scene out of context and it still plays pretty silly, but...
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as it plays out in the movie it didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it did and that's coming from me having like a reaction seeing it clipped and thinking it was the dumbest shit I've ever seen when Zach remind me when does that come in the movie it's the first 30 minutes okay thank you I think I turned it off right after that
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So you hated it Okay so again like Red said Zach's only seen it all the way through I turned it on with Clarissa maybe a month and a half ago We were just at home and I was like People were talking about this I want to check it out
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I found I found everything about it like pretty profoundly unwatchable I thought even actors who I love Zoe Saldana I thought she was pretty she was the only bright spot she was the only thing that I was like I enjoyed watching her I liked her song at the beginning as soon as it gets into its plot
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I was like, A, this is stupid as fuck.
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B, this is not sensitive to the issue.
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Like, it looks awful to me.
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Like, the first 30 minutes, I was like, this looks like hot garbage.
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Like...
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like to maybe a little bit better than wicked, but not by much.
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Um, well also to your point about it being not very sensitive to the issue, you have to remember that a French guy made it and, um, French people have a cultural sensibility of like a five-year-old.
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Yeah.
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Like, uh, yeah, that fucking Marion Coates.
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Was it Marion Coates?
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Oh no, it's Julie, Julie Delpy.
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talking about black people?
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Yeah, she was like, that's Julie Delvin.
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Women are like black people.
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Well, I think like, too, for me... It's almost harder to be a woman than be a black person.
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Like, I thought Zoe Saldana singing... Yeah, but what if you're a black woman?
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Well, there you go.
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I don't know.
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They're left out of the equation.
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I think like, A, the singing outside of Zoe Saldana kind of, but even including her, was subpar at best.
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I was with Gomez.
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I thought this...
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fine but like yeah she's doesn't she have that one line about her she's terrible yes she's terrible in the movie like awful um and i am an only murders in the building defender i don't mind selena gomez but completely terrible and i thought my biggest issue was the songwriting
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No, the songwriting is not good.
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I'm not defending any part of the songwriting.
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There's a couple songs that are passable in my mind, but passable isn't good.
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Is the song they nominated for best original song good?
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It's the first one, right?
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It's the Zoe Saldana one, El Mal.
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It's not good.
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El Mal and Mi Camino.
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So two songs.
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I don't even think it's the best song in the movie, the one that they nominated.
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So as far as the sensitivity stuff goes...
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Like, admittedly, I truly just... I don't understand a lot of it just because in some ways I haven't looked into it and I haven't heard a lot of people explain it.
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But the part of me that kind of bounces off of that criticism is the movie is not like...
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It seems more about a flawed individual than it is about a trans journey from beginning to end.
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The protagonist character does not, I don't think, come out of the movie looking very good from a moral standpoint.
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I think there's something to what you're saying, again, from what I've seen of it.
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But to me, as soon as you dip your toe in the water of trying to represent the trans experience, you better come correct.
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For sure.
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And that's what I'm saying.
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I truly... I'm just not...
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educated enough on a lot of that stuff um and so when i say like it doesn't deserve to get shit on as much as it is it's purely just from a filmmaking standpoint sure i think the i think the reason i haven't watched it is because of the way that my movie taste works i'm so fucking scared i'm gonna love it
00:11:53
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Yeah, that's... You do have bad taste, it's true.
00:11:56
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I have famously bad taste.
00:11:59
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That's why I can't wait for you to watch Babylon AD.
00:12:03
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I have bad taste in, I think, the way that John Waters would put it.
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You know, like...
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Like I had bad taste in a cool way.
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Genuinely, Joseph, if you were a gay man, I think you would be the closest thing we have to a modern day John Waters.
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I think so too.
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And I will take that compliment and I'll hold it close to my heart.
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A little mustache holding on to your hair.
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Very skinny.
00:12:27
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You got to start smoking cigarettes though, babe.
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Like it's,
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Yeah.
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With the extender.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And not just, and not just when you're drunk.
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Yeah.
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You gotta be breakfast at Tiffany's.
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I think it's just called a cigarette holder.
00:12:41
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You see that Ron Perlman interview where he's talking about David Lynch and he goes, you know, the first time I met David Lynch,
00:12:48
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I saw him.
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We were having a conversation.
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He said, I got to take a smoke break.
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And at that moment, immediately, I knew I liked him because he says there's something he's like, there's something about smokers that endears them to me because it's it's.
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The choice to say, fuck it, I'm going to play Russian roulette with my life every time because I love this and I can't stop.
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It makes me think it makes me trust you.
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And I was like, OK, Ron, sure.
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Very well smoking.
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Well, man's got to have a code.
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That's what I say.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think now's a good time to move on to what I think is really the first category that has a major and significant snub, which is Best Original Score.
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I'm going to go ahead and read through all the nominees very quickly.
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The Brutalist from Daniel Bloomberg.
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Conclave from Volker Berthelman.
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Amelia Perez from Clement Ducal and Camille something.
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I think I copied this wrong.
00:13:46
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No, I think she's just going by Camille.
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Just going by Camille.
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Oh, okay.
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Like Cher, but not.
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Yeah.
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Wicked from John Powell and Stephen Schwartz.
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Makes no sense to me.
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And the Wild Robot, a score from Chris Bowers.
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I haven't seen the Wild Robot yet, but I've actually heard the score is pretty darn good.
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I have heard the same as well.
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It's going to be on Peacock, I think, tomorrow.
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So I plan to watch it this weekend.
00:14:09
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You notice there's one movie that he didn't read that everyone's thinking about.
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And what I genuinely thought would be the only nomination for this film, the film we're referring to is Luca Guadagnino's Challengers, and specifically the Reznor and Ross score, which I think is just a triumph of scores.
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Genuinely, like,
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maybe their best since the social network other than wicked it's the only one that people are pulling up on their spotify and listening to yeah they were having like club remixes of the yeah of the challenger score at like random dance clubs i genuinely believe the challenger score was like a rocket booster for brat summer in a lot of ways yeah i think it helped i yeah i think for me going back to your comment right i
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My thinking about it, because I have thought about it a lot today.
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This is my life.
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These are the things I think about instead of thinking about like, you know, maybe I should eat healthier.
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I think about, you know, Reznor and Ross getting snubbed.
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I think like they are so uniformly great.
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Yes.
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Like I love their Girl with the Dragon Tattoo score.
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I love the Social Network score.
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Obviously, I love their Soul score.
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I love their score for...
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If Reznor and Ross are attached to a score, you're like, it's going to be at least good.
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Yeah, I love their Mutant Mayhem score.
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Like, you know, and they always change it up.
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I think I love the Challenger score.
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It's insane that it's not here.
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I think
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their ability to sort of shift and change styles and do different things is what people are disregarding.
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It's like, yes, it's a feat of composition and it is the like throbbing pulse of that movie is that story.
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Throbbing for sure.
00:15:59
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There's a lot of things thrown in that movie.
00:16:01
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Slap that boner.
00:16:02
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Yeah, thank you.
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But I, yeah, I don't know.
00:16:06
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I think, yeah, people are just like, oh yeah, they came out with another great one and they're underrating the stylistic choices.
00:16:13
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I think the thing that we have to consider is, and it's, is you only have a limited number of categories.
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In all of the below the line categories outside of Best Picture, you can only have a maximum number of five nominees.
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So you have to consider if this got snubbed, what gets put in its place?
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And the thing is, I think we have the most obvious one imaginable.
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And it's not even to slight it, but the music in Wicked is not original.
00:16:38
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No, it's not.
00:16:39
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Well, there's some.
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There are some original compositions.
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But it's all instrumental.
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There was some original music in Guardians of the Galaxy.
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that's not what's important that's it's like background yeah no I'm with you I I just you know I think it's insane that it got nominated I think a lot of the nominations for that movie are patently absurd um but you know I like the other thing is I like I haven't seen Wild Robot I don't like the Amelia Paris now I'm obviously but like Conclave and I haven't seen the brutalist but I've listened to the score the brutalist was excellent
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yeah amazing like i'm not mad at that both of those movies have excellent music i still haven't seen the brutalist but again yeah i've listened to the score it's fantastic like i you know it just first of all nominating two songs and the score from amelia perez is silly also amelia perez is adapted from an opera so like it's a similar thing a lot of those songs already existed um
00:17:38
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And so that seems stupid.
00:17:40
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Can you imagine like a bunch of, was it, was it a French opera or like a Italian?
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Like, do you know?
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I think it was Spanish.
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Can you imagine a bunch of like white Spaniards?
00:17:48
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I believe it's Mexican, which I believe is part of the whole issue.
00:17:50
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Oh, my apologies.
00:17:51
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Oh, well then nevermind.
00:17:53
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I was just going to say, can you imagine like a bunch of white European Spaniards like, like jerking themselves off?
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I mean, like we love the trans opera.
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We love it.
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Of course, of course.
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But the Mexicans go, go, go off.
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Um,
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But I yeah, it's just stupid.
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I mean, like, especially after challengers won the Golden Globe.
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It's like, guys, what are we doing?
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It's truly insane that it didn't get nominated.
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Like, there are some snubs this year that I'm like, OK, I get maybe why it wasn't like maybe like George Miller directing.
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Like, I get why they didn't nominate him.
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Yeah.
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You know, whatever.
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But the challenger score is truly baffling.
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Yeah, very much so.
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It was like a lot of times when you go further into Oscar noms that are not best actor, actress, director, picture, it can get a little bit like semantics territory.
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But people started talking and never stopped talking about the Challenger score from the moment that movie came out.
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Like it was a cultural phenomenon.
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And to not even get nominated is just wild.
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It's crazy.
00:19:01
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I wonder, just going to another movie, I don't know that this is true.
00:19:05
Speaker
I'm guessing that Dune Part 2 is ineligible because it removes its themes.
00:19:10
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:11
Speaker
I was thinking about that too.
00:19:12
Speaker
Yep.
00:19:13
Speaker
You sent that tweet about Wicked too.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting to.
00:19:18
Speaker
It's another reason why the Wicked nom is wild.
00:19:22
Speaker
Yeah, but it hasn't been in a movie.
00:19:24
Speaker
Like, that's the thing.
00:19:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:25
Speaker
Is all of that, like, which is just pedantic and silly.
00:19:28
Speaker
Yes.
00:19:29
Speaker
But, you know, I mean, it's the whole thing of it's what denied Johnny Greenwood the nom for There Will Be Blood, I believe.
00:19:39
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:19:40
Speaker
What did he use?
00:19:42
Speaker
It was stuff he had previously released, I think, or something like that.
00:19:48
Speaker
So, same thing with fucking, like, would have been the same thing for Hateful Eight because they used that Ennio Morricone score.
00:19:53
Speaker
Exactly, the Morricone score.
00:19:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:56
Speaker
That's so stupid.
00:19:58
Speaker
I agree.
00:19:58
Speaker
Dude, I fucking hate the Academy.
00:20:00
Speaker
Like, I love watching the Oscars every year, but, like, they're fucking old.
00:20:04
Speaker
I mean, they're probably not all old white men anymore, but, like,
00:20:08
Speaker
They've done a good job of diversifying.
00:20:10
Speaker
No, they're all the dead from Get Out.
00:20:12
Speaker
Let's be real.
00:20:14
Speaker
I would have voted for Obama the third time.
00:20:16
Speaker
I would have voted for the Brutalist a third time.
00:20:19
Speaker
I would have gave Amelia Perez best picture for a third time if I could have.
00:20:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's fucking absurd the challenge isn't there.
00:20:28
Speaker
Best production design.
00:20:29
Speaker
I think this is pretty standard.
00:20:30
Speaker
It's also going to be one of the first times we hear a couple of different names.
00:20:34
Speaker
So we have Judy Becker for The Brutalist, Susie Davies for Conclave, Patrice Vermette for Dune Part 2, Craig Lathrop for Nosferatu, which is a really cool nom to see because I do think the production design of that film rips.
00:20:49
Speaker
You got four noms, right?
00:20:50
Speaker
I'm sure we'll get there.
00:20:52
Speaker
Nathan Crowley for Wicked.
00:20:55
Speaker
From what I've seen of Wicked, that's a fine nomination for Wicked.
00:20:59
Speaker
I think it's fine.
00:21:00
Speaker
The sets look great.
00:21:01
Speaker
It's for the train.
00:21:04
Speaker
There's a train at the end of the movie that is honestly sick.
00:21:07
Speaker
I think the library is pretty fucking cool, too.
00:21:09
Speaker
The library is cool, too.
00:21:11
Speaker
Like there's moments in that movie.
00:21:13
Speaker
I think the movie is, you know, basically a tire fire to look at, but the sets are very good.
00:21:19
Speaker
So I can't argue with that.
00:21:21
Speaker
Where was Conclave filmed?
00:21:24
Speaker
The Vatican, dude.
00:21:25
Speaker
What do you mean?
00:21:27
Speaker
That's kind of the point I'm getting to.
00:21:30
Speaker
Let me look it up real quick.
00:21:31
Speaker
I'm interested.
00:21:32
Speaker
It's an amazing production design.
00:21:36
Speaker
Filmed in Atlanta.
00:21:37
Speaker
Does his vape count as part of production design?
00:21:40
Speaker
Yeah, I hope so.
00:21:43
Speaker
Or it's VFX.
00:21:44
Speaker
Or it's VFX.
00:21:47
Speaker
They filmed in Cinecitta in Rome.
00:21:50
Speaker
They filmed all around Rome.
00:21:53
Speaker
That takes it down a notch for production design.
00:21:56
Speaker
Well, you thought they were on a soundstage in Dallas?
00:22:00
Speaker
Anything that has four walls and a roof, I don't know.
00:22:02
Speaker
Yeah, they got fucking... It's not Jack Fist.
00:22:05
Speaker
It looks like the fucking Avengers.
00:22:07
Speaker
It's like all the actors standing in front of a blue screen and like fucking the turtle that he carries in the pond is a tennis ball that he's carrying.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:18
Speaker
The conclave scene where they're sitting in the auditorium, it's actually just them sitting on folding chairs.
00:22:23
Speaker
They're in the fucking Mandalorian thing.
00:22:28
Speaker
They're in the volume.
00:22:32
Speaker
It's the papal volume.
00:22:34
Speaker
That's my favorite location because of the lighting.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:38
Speaker
Oh, the lighting's phenomenal.
00:22:40
Speaker
Incredible.
00:22:41
Speaker
I want to rework The Brutalist.
00:22:43
Speaker
The Brutalist is no longer about some AI charged... Hello?
00:22:48
Speaker
Sorry, I got a kitty here.
00:22:50
Speaker
It's no longer about AI Laszlo Toth.
00:22:53
Speaker
It is instead about the production design of Conclave, of which Edward Berger is tasking a production designer like Harrison Lee Van Buren to build the Vatican just for his own.
00:23:03
Speaker
Build the Vatican.
00:23:06
Speaker
Which I suppose is literally just what Synecdoche, New York is, but whatever.
00:23:10
Speaker
Yeah, that's true.
00:23:11
Speaker
Build a city within a city.
00:23:14
Speaker
I mean, I think I'm in support of all these nominations.
00:23:18
Speaker
I mean, again, I haven't seen the brutalist.
00:23:20
Speaker
I'm hoping to go next week.
00:23:22
Speaker
But it's finally showing.
00:23:23
Speaker
Production design is the best part of that film.
00:23:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:29
Speaker
Denny built a fucking desert, man.
00:23:35
Speaker
Grain by fucking grain, man.
00:23:37
Speaker
Built Arrakis, dude.
00:23:39
Speaker
Dude, there's a full fucking planet in the sky.
00:23:41
Speaker
Have you fucking seen it?
00:23:43
Speaker
Denny built fucking Arrakis in the sky, bro.
00:23:45
Speaker
Denny and Timmy went there, dude.
00:23:47
Speaker
The Wicked Witch of the West, bro.
00:23:50
Speaker
Her sister was Geedy Prime, bro.
00:23:53
Speaker
I don't know.
00:23:54
Speaker
I would love for someone to win an Oscar for just the amount of thought that went into the viscosity of the blue goop.
00:24:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:03
Speaker
Honestly, yeah.
00:24:05
Speaker
Zach, I'm glad you changed the subject because I would have gone on doing Dune trivia in that voice for like 30 minutes.
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:14
Speaker
There's a podcast I listen to and they've been mashing up Dune part two with A Complete Unknown and doing Muab Dylan.
00:24:23
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:24:25
Speaker
Very funny.
00:24:25
Speaker
And they've been like doing Bob Dylan songs, but with lyrics about Arrakis.
00:24:29
Speaker
I mean, dude, Pete Seeger is like the whole movie going.
00:24:35
Speaker
Lisan Al-Gaib.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, no, truly.
00:24:37
Speaker
I mean, it's a similar story.
00:24:38
Speaker
Every time he writes a good song, he's like, oh my God.
00:24:41
Speaker
They should have just given us one shot of Javier Barca in the complete unknown.
00:24:48
Speaker
Lisan Al-Gaib.
00:24:49
Speaker
I gotta ride the worm.
00:24:52
Speaker
Oh, so sick.
00:24:53
Speaker
You want me to drink this blue mess?
00:24:56
Speaker
I will.
00:24:56
Speaker
I've said it once, and I'm going to say it again.
00:24:58
Speaker
Before we do our actual awards episode, I'm going to rewatch Dune Part 2 because I feel like it's going to really work for me.
00:25:04
Speaker
I really think it's going to work this time.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited.
00:25:06
Speaker
No one can stand against me.
00:25:09
Speaker
Sorry, I didn't.
00:25:12
Speaker
Uh...
00:25:14
Speaker
Fear is the mind killer.
00:25:16
Speaker
That sounds like a Bob Dylan lyric.
00:25:18
Speaker
It does.
00:25:19
Speaker
Fear is the mind killer.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah, that could be on blood on tracks.
00:25:23
Speaker
Just the litmus against fear.
00:25:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:26
Speaker
Okay, best film editing.
00:25:28
Speaker
I'm so fucking pissed about the Wicked nomination from everything I've seen from this movie.
00:25:33
Speaker
Every dance number I've watched.
00:25:34
Speaker
It looks edited like shit.
00:25:38
Speaker
All of the editing takes every ounce of juice out of the songs.
00:25:42
Speaker
Like that one, like the Jonathan Bailey dancing through life scene.
00:25:45
Speaker
I watched that whole dance number and I was like, Jonathan Bailey is great in this.
00:25:49
Speaker
And hot to try.
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah, the song is wonderful.
00:25:54
Speaker
The dancing is wonderful.
00:25:55
Speaker
But every cut sucks all the air out of the dance.
00:26:00
Speaker
Which I think is a thing that happens in a lot of John M. Chu films.
00:26:03
Speaker
I mean, I think that's part of my issue with In the Heights.
00:26:07
Speaker
I think In the Heights has similar...
00:26:09
Speaker
It's too much editing.
00:26:11
Speaker
It's not the most editing.
00:26:13
Speaker
It's the best editing.
00:26:14
Speaker
Watch Spielberg's West Side Story.
00:26:16
Speaker
That's how you cut a musical.
00:26:18
Speaker
When he gets those beautiful wide shots like Spielberg does, he knows how to construct a wide where you have a lot of people dancing.
00:26:25
Speaker
And I, when I watch people dance in a movie, I cry.
00:26:29
Speaker
I can't help myself.
00:26:30
Speaker
It's always awesome.
00:26:30
Speaker
Like a big dance number.
00:26:32
Speaker
I totally, it makes me cry.
00:26:33
Speaker
But whenever he cuts, I'm like, okay, no more tears for you, bitch.
00:26:39
Speaker
Stop cutting.
00:26:40
Speaker
Just let me watch them.
00:26:41
Speaker
Let me watch them.
00:26:42
Speaker
It's so, so much simpler.
00:26:44
Speaker
I'll go ahead and read through the rest of the nominees.
00:26:46
Speaker
Cause we did talk about wicked.
00:26:47
Speaker
Another nomination for Amelia Perez conclave, Nick Emerson.
00:26:52
Speaker
Well, very well edited movie from David.
00:26:56
Speaker
Yancho, I listened to the big picture they talked about him.
00:27:03
Speaker
I believe his father is a famous filmmaker as well.
00:27:07
Speaker
Nepo baby!
00:27:11
Speaker
Kill him with knives!
00:27:12
Speaker
I think he's an Eastern European filmmaker, so he's definitely not a Nepo baby.
00:27:16
Speaker
He might have gotten an extra slop of borscht or something.
00:27:19
Speaker
Yeah, he grew up in a hovel.
00:27:23
Speaker
His hovel is slightly roomier than yours.
00:27:28
Speaker
And Sean Baker finally getting an editing nomination, which he's so desperately wanted since he's been editing his own films for like a decade.
00:27:37
Speaker
I'll say though, I think Enora, which I love, has better editing than it has directing in a lot of ways.
00:27:47
Speaker
I still get to see it.
00:27:49
Speaker
It takes opportunities to go lightning fast, and then it takes other moments where it's like you're sitting on the same thing for 20 minutes.
00:27:58
Speaker
I would agree with you.
00:28:00
Speaker
But I think with him, the things work so much in tandem.
00:28:05
Speaker
Him being his own editor, it's like Soderbergh.
00:28:10
Speaker
It's all together.
00:28:11
Speaker
It all is in the soup together.
00:28:13
Speaker
And I think that movie is...
00:28:15
Speaker
beautifully edited.
00:28:17
Speaker
It's gorgeous.
00:28:19
Speaker
I'm just going to quickly move along to best costume design, which I don't think I really need to spend a lot of time on.
00:28:25
Speaker
One last editing comment.
00:28:26
Speaker
Brutalist, which I do not love.
00:28:32
Speaker
Deserves some credit for including a built-in intermission, editing-wise.
00:28:38
Speaker
It's pretty cool.
00:28:38
Speaker
Intermissions rule.
00:28:40
Speaker
We need more of them as we get more and more three-hour-plus movies.
00:28:45
Speaker
Throw in the fucking intermission, please.
00:28:46
Speaker
It's really nice.
00:28:48
Speaker
I do wonder if the use of artificial intelligence plays into that editing, in which case, get fucked, nerds.
00:28:57
Speaker
If they used AI to edit it, I'd take back anything good I ever said about it.
00:29:01
Speaker
Most of the AI has been used for images in the epilogue of the film and some audio editing.
00:29:08
Speaker
I just quickly want to read... That's my new thing I'm going to say.
00:29:12
Speaker
Sorry.
00:29:13
Speaker
I just quickly want to read...
00:29:15
Speaker
I'm just going to interrupt you one more time.
00:29:19
Speaker
Best costume design, which I think is just a badass category.
00:29:22
Speaker
I genuinely think every costume here rules.
00:29:25
Speaker
A Complete Unknown from Arianne Phillips.
00:29:27
Speaker
Conclave from Lissy Crystal.
00:29:29
Speaker
Gladiator 2, I believe it's only Oscar nomination, from Yanti Yates.
00:29:34
Speaker
He's got to put on those rings and put on that dress.
00:29:39
Speaker
And Paul Tayswell for Wicked.
00:29:42
Speaker
Genuinely, like, all pretty badass nominations across the board.
00:29:46
Speaker
No complaints.
00:29:48
Speaker
Great costumes, great costume design.
00:29:51
Speaker
Does that include the penis in Nosferatu?
00:29:55
Speaker
You see the fucking gif they posted from Diary of a Wimpy Kid when it's like me when Nosferatu gets out of his coffin and it's like the Rowley looking and then looking down and going, whoa.
00:30:08
Speaker
Did you see Nosferatu yet?
00:30:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:10
Speaker
Because Hulk took home a framed, he took home his prosthetic cock framed.
00:30:16
Speaker
Hell yeah.
00:30:17
Speaker
Oh, that's beautiful.
00:30:18
Speaker
Wait, Hulk, look at home or not, not scars guard.
00:30:22
Speaker
No, I think Holt had one too that you don't see just for like intimacy coordination.
00:30:27
Speaker
Release the fucking dick cut.
00:30:30
Speaker
He got a, he got a sock cock.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:33
Speaker
They, uh,
00:30:35
Speaker
uh it's like it's like uh will ferrell taking home his prosthetic balls from stepbrothers stepbrothers you have to dude if you have prosthetic balls you got to take them home like fucking uh marty marks marky marks dick from uh boogie nights no that was real yeah he's got a quarter he took it home with him in the sense that it's attached to his dude if my dick was that big i also think that i would have stopped 9-11
00:31:05
Speaker
We start we start talking about dicks and I started thinking about Nosferatu.
00:31:09
Speaker
I just I very quickly before we move on, I have to say something.
00:31:13
Speaker
Andy Ingalls, you walked out of this film.
00:31:16
Speaker
You don't get to review it on Letterboxd.
00:31:17
Speaker
That is a fair complaint.
00:31:20
Speaker
You do not get to log it.
00:31:21
Speaker
You do not get to give it two stars.
00:31:22
Speaker
If you do not finish the film, you do not get to log it.
00:31:26
Speaker
I mean, that means I have to retract my log for Amelia Perez.
00:31:29
Speaker
If we're logging unfinished films, I'm boosting my Letterboxd numbers crazy.
00:31:35
Speaker
I'm about to go crazy mode.
00:31:39
Speaker
I'm about to go sebulba mode on Letterboxd.
00:31:42
Speaker
Logging films at dizzying numbers of films.
00:31:47
Speaker
Best cinematography, which is really cool for some of it and really bad for others.
00:31:54
Speaker
The Brutalist from Lol Crawley, which is a very well shot film.
00:31:58
Speaker
Greg Fraser nominated yet again for Dune Part Two.
00:32:01
Speaker
Shout out Big Greg.
00:32:02
Speaker
Apparently may not come back for Dune Messiah, which is a big bummer.
00:32:07
Speaker
To be fair, the tone shift in storytelling from Dune to Dune Messiah makes total sense why they would want to shoot it different.
00:32:17
Speaker
I've not read Messiah.
00:32:18
Speaker
I know you have, so I trust you.
00:32:19
Speaker
Messiah is fucking weird.
00:32:22
Speaker
And if I truly think that it's going to come out, it's going to be true to the book because Denis is like that, and then nobody's going to see it, and they're not going to make the rest of the Dune movies because everyone's going to realize, wait, Frank Herbert takes this in a real fucking weird direction after the first one.
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah, Frank Herbert was tripping balls.
00:32:41
Speaker
And then they should shoot it in like a, I don't know, an early... They should shoot it like a racer head.
00:32:49
Speaker
I was going more of like a Hanukkah direction.
00:32:52
Speaker
Oh, interesting.
00:32:53
Speaker
They should shoot it like the seventh continent.
00:32:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:56
Speaker
They should shoot it like fucking German expressionism, like all fucking sepia tone.
00:33:00
Speaker
Yeah, like Fritz Lang.
00:33:02
Speaker
Here's the thing.
00:33:03
Speaker
I genuinely think tonally, I have not read Dude Messiah, but I understand the plot.
00:33:08
Speaker
I think tonally Dune Messiah has more in common with the seventh continent than it does for most of the other movies we've referenced.
00:33:14
Speaker
So, you know, it's crazy.
00:33:15
Speaker
Dune Messiah feels like when you watch Hodorowsky's Dune, his version of the Dune story feels way more like Messiah than Dune.
00:33:26
Speaker
So like if you if you've seen that documentary, that's the tone for Dune Messiah.
00:33:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:31
Speaker
He's kind of tipping his hand toward that one.
00:33:35
Speaker
And that makes sense for Hodorowsky because the later Dune books have shit like human-sandworm hybrids.
00:33:45
Speaker
The God Emperor himself.
00:33:48
Speaker
In Children of Dune, the third book, there is about, I'm paraphrasing and probably exaggerating, there is about 300 pages of Leto II just tripping balls in the desert.
00:34:00
Speaker
And I'm almost positive it was about 300 pages.
00:34:05
Speaker
Leto II is Paul's son?
00:34:07
Speaker
Yes.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:08
Speaker
Okay, okay.
00:34:09
Speaker
Can I shit on The Brutalist a little bit more?
00:34:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:12
Speaker
Please.
00:34:13
Speaker
Can we talk about Duncan Idaho instead?
00:34:15
Speaker
Do y'all think an average Vista Vision movie from the 50s would look as good as The Brutalist if it was scanned immediately after it was made?
00:34:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:25
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:34:27
Speaker
And it would be lit better.
00:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, I think that takes the brutalist down, in my estimation, significantly in Best Cinematography Night.
00:34:34
Speaker
Although I do think it's cool to shoot it in VistaVision.
00:34:36
Speaker
I just think it's cheating in a sense in that way.
00:34:39
Speaker
And this is completely, this is my own personal bias.
00:34:42
Speaker
Is it Corbett?
00:34:43
Speaker
Is it Brady Corbett?
00:34:45
Speaker
Corbett.
00:34:45
Speaker
I've heard Corbett more than Corbett.
00:34:47
Speaker
Oh, really?
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:48
Speaker
I'm going to call him Corbet.
00:34:49
Speaker
I'm going to call him Corbet, so that's why I've been saying Corbet.
00:34:51
Speaker
Well, I'm going to say it wrong on purpose.
00:34:54
Speaker
Brady Corbet.
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker
Bredo Corbo.
00:34:59
Speaker
He seems like a guy who would have this idea for a movie and then go, I'm going to shoot it in VistaVision.
00:35:10
Speaker
Aren't I awesome?
00:35:13
Speaker
while adjusting his ascot.
00:35:15
Speaker
And that's the fucking thing about the intermission too.
00:35:17
Speaker
Like the intermission comes off as so disingenuous to me because he's like, yeah, my movie has an intermission.
00:35:22
Speaker
I will say, as somebody who saw the film and who disliked it more than most people we know,
00:35:31
Speaker
I actually think the intermission is kind of sick and it's a really great split point in the movie.
00:35:37
Speaker
It is.
00:35:38
Speaker
It changes the whole structure of the movie.
00:35:41
Speaker
I think it's genuinely earned.
00:35:43
Speaker
Yeah, okay.
00:35:45
Speaker
I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see it because I really do genuinely not like Brady Corbett.
00:35:50
Speaker
He rubs me the wrong way, man.
00:35:52
Speaker
I need to watch Vox Lux.
00:35:53
Speaker
You're not the only person he's rubbed the wrong way.
00:35:59
Speaker
He screams allegations to me.
00:36:01
Speaker
Sorry.
00:36:02
Speaker
This is the third time you've said that on mic.
00:36:06
Speaker
Some people look like that.
00:36:07
Speaker
Sorry, I'll let Zach talk.
00:36:08
Speaker
My thinking is I think we should award stuff for doing new shit, then resurrecting old stuff we all celebrate as awesome.
00:36:16
Speaker
And for that reason, Nosferatu is a clear choice for me here.
00:36:19
Speaker
They had new lenses built for this shit.
00:36:22
Speaker
Dude, same with Dune Part 2.
00:36:23
Speaker
They had that fucking infrared shit built.
00:36:24
Speaker
That shit looked cool as hell.
00:36:26
Speaker
So Dune Part 2 and Nosferatu are the only two I would respect.
00:36:30
Speaker
And that's what I think about the VistaVision shit, too, is like, dude, we have large format digital cameras.
00:36:38
Speaker
Like, you could achieve the same fucking large format shit without having to do this weird pretentious bullshit of, like, I don't know.
00:36:48
Speaker
To me...
00:36:50
Speaker
I respect shooting on film so much.
00:36:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:52
Speaker
If you want to shoot on film, go for it.
00:36:55
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But there are some people who, when they choose to shoot on film, it just feels disingenuous to me.
00:37:01
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And I know that it's personal bias because every interview Brady Corbett has given, it makes me want to fucking give him a wedgie.
00:37:09
Speaker
But like, I don't know.
00:37:11
Speaker
I could be wrong and he could be a cool guy, but it doesn't seem that way to me.
00:37:15
Speaker
As somebody who also likes to shoot, like likes to shit on this movie and likes things that are shot on film, I genuinely do think it looks very beautiful.
00:37:24
Speaker
I think the division helps.
00:37:25
Speaker
I think especially the sequences in Italy really earn it.
00:37:29
Speaker
I mean, but you know what else looks beautiful?
00:37:31
Speaker
Fucking planet Earth.
00:37:34
Speaker
I don't know.
00:37:34
Speaker
Like looking beautiful doesn't mean anything.
00:37:36
Speaker
I mean, it actually does because this is best cinematography.
00:37:39
Speaker
That's what it means.
00:37:40
Speaker
What are we talking about right now, Joe?
00:37:43
Speaker
I'm just saying, like, what do you mean?
00:37:45
Speaker
I'm just saying, Looking Beautiful does not make, does not a best cinematography nomination make.
00:37:51
Speaker
Looking Beautiful is not what, like, like, making cinematography, or cinematography is about choices.
00:37:58
Speaker
Like, You're talking about composition more than, like,
00:38:01
Speaker
I'm talking about composition.
00:38:02
Speaker
I'm talking about like choice of lenses.
00:38:05
Speaker
I'm talking about lighting.
00:38:06
Speaker
I'm talking about like it just because the movie looks like I've seen a thousand fucking Vimeo short film shot on a red 8K dragon that they rented from the video house that look great.
00:38:17
Speaker
But it doesn't it doesn't mean anything.
00:38:20
Speaker
Like, does it does the Vista vision add to the story at all?
00:38:24
Speaker
No.
00:38:25
Speaker
I kind of think it does, actually.
00:38:27
Speaker
Okay, so what I'm saying is, like, take the choice to do VistaVision.
00:38:31
Speaker
Like, sure, they did it because they wanted to shoot it architecture.
00:38:33
Speaker
Like, that's, okay, great.
00:38:35
Speaker
The movie's about architecture.
00:38:36
Speaker
I get that.
00:38:37
Speaker
But then compare and contrast that with the inventing a new way to shoot black and white because Getty Prime is supposed to look like something so far removed from Earth that they have to invent a new way to shoot black and white footage to make it achieve that feeling.
00:38:55
Speaker
I think both can exist because you can have five nominees.
00:38:57
Speaker
I'm just telling you.
00:38:59
Speaker
I'm saying both can exist, but who cares if it looks pretty?
00:39:02
Speaker
I really think both of y'all are totally right in different ways.
00:39:07
Speaker
Red, obviously, yes.
00:39:08
Speaker
The idea of cinematography is to look good, but I don't think that's isolated outside of the box of what Joe is saying.
00:39:18
Speaker
This also requires some intentionality with...
00:39:21
Speaker
How you're shooting, why you're shooting that way, what resources you use.
00:39:25
Speaker
All that stuff's a factor.
00:39:26
Speaker
Do you think Inland Empire has good cinematography?
00:39:30
Speaker
Of course.
00:39:30
Speaker
I think it has good cinematography for what David Lynch wanted it to be.
00:39:33
Speaker
Exactly.
00:39:34
Speaker
He had intentionality behind the choices that he made.
00:39:36
Speaker
I don't think Inland Empire is beautiful, and I think that's what Joe's getting at.
00:39:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:40
Speaker
It's an ugly ass movie.
00:39:41
Speaker
I agree with you.
00:39:43
Speaker
But I'm also telling you, I think that this film looks that way because he wanted it to look that way.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not arguing against that at all.
00:39:52
Speaker
What I'm asking is, is it beautiful just for the sake of looking pretty?
00:39:57
Speaker
Or is the cinematography like, does it feel consciously shot?
00:40:03
Speaker
It is for sure.
00:40:04
Speaker
It's very conscious.
00:40:05
Speaker
Well, I, again, I haven't seen it just from the, from the fucking like trailers and like all of the other Brady Corbett movies.
00:40:13
Speaker
I'm saying this, I have like a fucking basis for what I'm saying.
00:40:16
Speaker
I'm not just like shitting on a movie I haven't seen.
00:40:19
Speaker
The dude shoots movies in a way that pisses me off.
00:40:22
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That's all I'll say.
00:40:25
Speaker
Anyways, we haven't referenced two other nominees here.
00:40:30
Speaker
Paul Guillaume for Emilia Perez.
00:40:32
Speaker
I haven't seen the film, but in the clips I've seen, it looks fine.
00:40:36
Speaker
It looks passing.
00:40:38
Speaker
It looks lit like dog ass though.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:42
Speaker
And IMO film.
00:40:45
Speaker
I forgot existed.
00:40:47
Speaker
Maria from Edward Lackman, the Pablo rain film starring Angelina Jolie about Maria Callas Calais.
00:40:54
Speaker
I should watch that because I've loved the other two of his like strong women in history movies.
00:41:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:00
Speaker
I love Jackie and Spencer.
00:41:03
Speaker
I think Jackie is a masterpiece.
00:41:04
Speaker
Um, and I do too.
00:41:05
Speaker
That movie fucking, I saw that alone in a theater and just was sobbing like almost the whole time.
00:41:12
Speaker
It's a great movie.
00:41:14
Speaker
Uh, so watch Maria yet, but Ed Lockman is a Todd Haynes is DP.
00:41:18
Speaker
Ed Lockman is very good.
00:41:19
Speaker
I mean, he's a very, very talented cinematographer and like all those Lorraine movies look great.
00:41:24
Speaker
So I trust that it was a good nom.
00:41:25
Speaker
I still, and this is really why I brought up this category specifically.
00:41:32
Speaker
is Sion Bu Mukti Pram, who made the leap into Western cinema probably about a decade ago, still has not received an Oscar nomination.
00:41:41
Speaker
He shot four films this year.
00:41:44
Speaker
He shot both of the Luca Guadagnino films.
00:41:46
Speaker
He shot Trap, and he shot... Oh... I can't remember the other film that he shot, but... The Grand Tour, yes.
00:41:57
Speaker
I remember it was... It reminded me of a series.
00:41:58
Speaker
All four of these movies look insane.
00:42:03
Speaker
it just is kind of baffling to me in a year like this, like he couldn't even get like
00:42:08
Speaker
a sneak nod.
00:42:09
Speaker
Like they couldn't like throw something in.
00:42:11
Speaker
Challengers should have been nominated for the fucking tennis ball scene alone.
00:42:16
Speaker
And it's, and it's a like, what's really cool about what he does.
00:42:23
Speaker
And we talked about this on the trap episode.
00:42:24
Speaker
We talked about the challengers episode is book.
00:42:26
Speaker
The problem is like, he to me feels like a Swiss army knife as a cinematographer in the sense that like uncle Boon me who can recall his past lives is,
00:42:36
Speaker
is shot in a very specific way there are long takes of which it the camera is still and things are happening in frame there's not a lot of movement and then you shoot something like trap which has this like Shyamalan style where it's really interesting really inventive and camera placements and then you have something like challengers which is so athletic and
00:43:00
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and so all over the place, and it's like, there's nothing there.
00:43:04
Speaker
So really, that to me might be the snub of the day.
00:43:11
Speaker
is a huge snub.
00:43:13
Speaker
I mean, he's an absolute genius.
00:43:14
Speaker
I mean, it's... Well, that's the mark of a good cinematographer to me is someone who can, like, work with a director to achieve their vision in the best possible way without, like, steamrolling.
00:43:26
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:43:26
Speaker
Because, like, there are some cinematographers who, like, just... They're just going to shoot it the way they shoot it, and those are good for when the director doesn't really want to care about the way the movie looks.
00:43:34
Speaker
Like, you hire Roger Deakins because Roger Deakins is going to shoot the movie like Roger Deakins.
00:43:39
Speaker
You know?
00:43:40
Speaker
But like, how do you pronounce his name one more time?
00:43:44
Speaker
Sayonbu Muktiprom.
00:43:45
Speaker
Muktiprom.
00:43:45
Speaker
Muktiprom.
00:43:45
Speaker
Muktiprom, like,
00:43:52
Speaker
They have a very similar texture to them.
00:43:56
Speaker
He shoots in a very... I don't know how to explain it other than they have a feel to them.
00:44:01
Speaker
They have a texture.
00:44:02
Speaker
But like you were saying, he's a chameleon.
00:44:06
Speaker
Like what we were talking about with Reznor and Ross.
00:44:09
Speaker
There's something about his saturation that I think is a trademark.
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:16
Speaker
The coloring is really excellent.
00:44:17
Speaker
I wonder if he tends to work with a same colorist.
00:44:23
Speaker
Also, aren't Trapp and Challengers digital?
00:44:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:28
Speaker
Achieving that saturation look on digital is really cool.
00:44:32
Speaker
Super awesome.
00:44:33
Speaker
I wonder if it can get washed out quick.
00:44:37
Speaker
I wonder with him, going back to what I was saying about Reznor and Ross, if
00:44:42
Speaker
the saturation of his year we're talking about saturation of colors but like maybe Trap is detracting something from people it's like it's an overwhelming choice and it's like I think Trap looks quite good it's amazing to me that he shot it it has my favorite split diopter of like the last it's an amazing split diopter because it's so understated it's not like because there's so many split diopters where you're like okay dude cool you figured out how to do it
00:45:10
Speaker
Well, yeah, he's not doing De Palma, but he is reminiscent of that because of the stylistic choice.
00:45:16
Speaker
But yeah, I think maybe he kind of cannibalized himself over being spoiled for choice.
00:45:25
Speaker
But he is an absolute genius, and his day will come, I'm sure.
00:45:28
Speaker
It will.
00:45:28
Speaker
It definitely will.
00:45:29
Speaker
I think we can start kind of moving through some of these.
00:45:32
Speaker
Anyone have any thoughts on best animated feature?
00:45:34
Speaker
I haven't seen any of these.
00:45:36
Speaker
I've only seen one of them.
00:45:37
Speaker
I've only seen Inside Out 2.
00:45:38
Speaker
I've seen Inside 2 and Vengeance Most Foul.
00:45:42
Speaker
And I love Vengeance Most Foul.
00:45:44
Speaker
I really hope it wins.
00:45:46
Speaker
I'm fired up tonight.
00:45:47
Speaker
I've heard a lot of good things about Memoir of a Snail.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah, I've also heard a lot of great things about Flow.
00:45:53
Speaker
Flow is cool because it was made entirely in Blender.
00:45:56
Speaker
Oh, holy shit.
00:45:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:59
Speaker
Flow right now, I believe, is the favorite.
00:46:02
Speaker
Which, if you don't know that much about animation, make the whole thing, and Blender is giving us pinhole cameras to go shoot a feature.
00:46:15
Speaker
The snub here for me is that Look Back, the anime film from Japan, didn't get nominated because that movie... Everyone I know who's seen it has been like, this is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:46:31
Speaker
I've heard great things.
00:46:32
Speaker
You and Ryan have talked a lot to me about it.
00:46:34
Speaker
It's written by Tatsuki Fujimoto.
00:46:37
Speaker
He's probably my favorite mangaka working right now besides Oda, but Oda's in another level.
00:46:46
Speaker
We don't have to get in the weeds on that.
00:46:48
Speaker
But yeah, it's a snub for me.
00:46:50
Speaker
That movie is fucking insanely good.
00:46:53
Speaker
Red, were you planning on moving to anything beneath original song on your list, or are you just moving upwards right now?
00:46:59
Speaker
I'm just moving upwards.
00:47:00
Speaker
Okay, I want to say something about best sound.
00:47:03
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:04
Speaker
Massive snub for Civil War.
00:47:06
Speaker
Yes, dude.
00:47:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:47:07
Speaker
I was thinking that.
00:47:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
The sound in that movie is like 90% of the reason to see it.
00:47:12
Speaker
Exactly.
00:47:12
Speaker
Yes, exactly.
00:47:13
Speaker
I cannot believe...
00:47:17
Speaker
It's ridiculous.
00:47:17
Speaker
Kingdom of Planet of the Apes, which I did not like very much, got nominated over Civil War for sound.
00:47:23
Speaker
Did Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes get VFX too?
00:47:27
Speaker
It got VFX.
00:47:28
Speaker
I don't believe it got sound.
00:47:30
Speaker
Oh, no, it didn't get sound.
00:47:30
Speaker
I was looking at VFX.
00:47:31
Speaker
Yeah, Kingdom got VFX.
00:47:35
Speaker
Which is fair.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah, all those movies are 90% VFX.
00:47:39
Speaker
Amelia Perez should not be nominated for sound over Civil War.
00:47:42
Speaker
That's garbage.
00:47:44
Speaker
I hope Dune Part 2 wins that award.
00:47:47
Speaker
I have a good feeling it will.
00:47:49
Speaker
Just for the magnet scene alone.
00:47:51
Speaker
Exactly.
00:47:53
Speaker
Or just any time from the first fucking frames where you hear the Sardaukar chanting.
00:47:59
Speaker
I mean, come on.
00:48:01
Speaker
Beautiful.
00:48:02
Speaker
I didn't need to say anything other than that as far as stuff underneath what we were talking about.
00:48:06
Speaker
I can't believe that was snow.
00:48:08
Speaker
Better Man visual effects sweep.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yo, I forgot to tell y'all, Andy fucking loved a Better Man.
00:48:15
Speaker
Yeah, five stars on Letterboxd.
00:48:17
Speaker
Holy shit.
00:48:18
Speaker
Let's go.
00:48:19
Speaker
What a fucking...
00:48:21
Speaker
Did y'all know that?
00:48:21
Speaker
I love Andy.
00:48:22
Speaker
He's a psycho.
00:48:22
Speaker
I might have to bar him from the podcast for a while.
00:48:26
Speaker
Y'all know Nora has a Robbie Williams needle drop?
00:48:29
Speaker
No, I didn't know.
00:48:30
Speaker
No, but I was.
00:48:31
Speaker
I've seen it.
00:48:32
Speaker
I was listening to another podcast, and they were talking about the guy.
00:48:34
Speaker
I was like, okay, so I saw Nora.
00:48:35
Speaker
It was a great movie, but I couldn't.
00:48:38
Speaker
I was the only one in the theater gut laughing because there's a part where she is stripping, and the song is like, pussy drip, drip, drip, drip-a-late.
00:48:51
Speaker
yeah yeah correct it's like uh he was like what um they couldn't pick a song that didn't sound so fucking stupid there's a there's a laugh at that scene is a choice because it's a it's quite a routine it is quite a routine but that that movie is like low-key very like not even low-key it's very it's extremely funny yeah like it's hilarious that's like the sean baker thing
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah, he's a funny guy.
00:49:16
Speaker
Red Rocket is fucking hilarious.
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
Any thoughts on best documentary feature?
00:49:21
Speaker
I have seen none of these films.
00:49:23
Speaker
I'm surprised.
00:49:24
Speaker
I watched a homie or I think it's a homie.
00:49:27
Speaker
I think they hold me that.
00:49:33
Speaker
It's really incredible.
00:49:34
Speaker
It should have been nominated.
00:49:35
Speaker
I need to watch it.
00:49:36
Speaker
It's on MUBI, right?
00:49:37
Speaker
It's on MUBI, yeah.
00:49:38
Speaker
The only one that I've heard anything about because it was on a bunch of people's year-end list was No Other Land.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:45
Speaker
Soundtrack to a coup d'etat I've seen a lot of people show some love to as well.
00:49:48
Speaker
I'm a little surprised that... The reason why they talk about it so much is because it doesn't have any distribution in America.
00:49:55
Speaker
No distribution at all.
00:49:57
Speaker
De Homey is like very different.
00:50:00
Speaker
I've never seen anything like it.
00:50:02
Speaker
And at first I was like, this seems pretty boring.
00:50:05
Speaker
But the way they tie it together, I think was beautiful.
00:50:08
Speaker
Where's the nomination for Grand Theft Hamlet?
00:50:10
Speaker
That's all I want to know.
00:50:12
Speaker
I am a little surprised that I don't think it counts as a documentary.
00:50:16
Speaker
What does it count as, Brad?
00:50:18
Speaker
Zach, what were you saying?
00:50:19
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:50:20
Speaker
It's an adaptation of Hamlin.
00:50:22
Speaker
Yeah, but it's about the people.
00:50:25
Speaker
I don't give a fuck about Grand Theft Family right now.
00:50:27
Speaker
Zach was trying to talk to you both.
00:50:28
Speaker
This is the worst we've done about talking over each other in a while.
00:50:32
Speaker
I was just saying I'm a little surprised Will and Harper wasn't nominated.
00:50:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:50:36
Speaker
Very good movie.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's excellent.
00:50:39
Speaker
No, go for it.
00:50:42
Speaker
I was going to say it kind of feels like the movie to get nominated by Netflix.
00:50:44
Speaker
No, exactly.
00:50:45
Speaker
I'm sorry, from Netflix.
00:50:48
Speaker
Just with what we understand to be true about the Academy, it just seems weird.
00:50:53
Speaker
They snubbed two trans movies that trans people really love.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:02
Speaker
It's odd.
00:51:03
Speaker
Very strange.
00:51:05
Speaker
Very strange.
00:51:06
Speaker
But I don't have anything else on those.
00:51:07
Speaker
Move on to Best International Feature, which...
00:51:11
Speaker
we have talked a lot about one of these movies.
00:51:15
Speaker
Pettis is back.
00:51:16
Speaker
The Walter Salas movie, I'm Still Here, which will pop up later.
00:51:19
Speaker
The Girl with a Needle, Magnus Van Horn film from Denmark, which I have heard pretty good things about.
00:51:26
Speaker
The Seed of the Sacred Fig,
00:51:27
Speaker
I've heard great things about that.
00:51:28
Speaker
I can't wait to watch that one.
00:51:30
Speaker
I'm really pumped about it.
00:51:31
Speaker
And Flo is back here, which is pretty fucking cool to have an animated film make its way into a best international category.
00:51:38
Speaker
When's the last time that's happened?
00:51:40
Speaker
Well, I mean, not international, because they had obviously Spirited Away made it.
00:51:44
Speaker
Yeah, I was about to say, probably.
00:51:49
Speaker
Oh, what's the Iranian film?
00:51:52
Speaker
What was the Iranian animated film that came out a couple of years ago?
00:51:55
Speaker
Oh, Persephone.
00:51:56
Speaker
Is that it?
00:51:58
Speaker
Persephone?
00:52:00
Speaker
It's something like that.
00:52:01
Speaker
Persepolis, maybe?
00:52:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:02
Speaker
Persepolis did, but I believe Walter Bashir also was nominated for Best International and Best Animated.
00:52:11
Speaker
So actually Waltz with Bashir not nominated for Best Animated.
00:52:15
Speaker
Very interesting.
00:52:16
Speaker
Only nominated for Best Foreign Language.
00:52:19
Speaker
Very interesting.
00:52:21
Speaker
Waltz with Bashir is an animated film.
00:52:22
Speaker
And if you're going to be nominated for Best International I would kind of assume if you're already that well respected you'd end up in Best Animated.
00:52:29
Speaker
But whatever.
00:52:30
Speaker
What are you going to do?
00:52:32
Speaker
Best Adapted which to me feels like kind of like it's exactly what you would expect.
00:52:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:41
Speaker
In terms of a category, a complete unknown, Jay Cox and James Mangold, which I'm pretty stoked about.
00:52:46
Speaker
I do think that's a great script.
00:52:48
Speaker
It's a fantastic script, yeah.
00:52:50
Speaker
Conclave, which I have not read the book Conclave, but from what I've heard from the people who have, is it's like kind of airport schlock, and to have a movie that is like...
00:53:02
Speaker
It kind of seems like it's elevating above its station, which is cool.
00:53:06
Speaker
Hollywood has a history of taking airport schlock and making it cool.
00:53:10
Speaker
Let's talk about The Firm.
00:53:11
Speaker
Jurassic Park.
00:53:13
Speaker
Jurassic Park as a book is not very good.
00:53:16
Speaker
Okay, Crichton and Grisham are like... I don't know.
00:53:20
Speaker
I don't feel like Crichton and Grisham are fully in the airport schlock category.
00:53:25
Speaker
I've read the book Jurassic Park twice.
00:53:27
Speaker
Justin Baldoni is my favorite director.
00:53:30
Speaker
I love how he treats women.
00:53:35
Speaker
You also have Emilio Perez, which is back yet again.
00:53:42
Speaker
Nickel Boys, the Romel Ross adaptation, which I have actually heard very similar things of that, like, it is...
00:53:49
Speaker
a real elevation of the novel and sing sing, which is the first time this has been mentioned thus far, but crazy will be mentioned a whole lot more.
00:53:58
Speaker
As soon as I leave this podcast, I'm going to see it.
00:54:00
Speaker
That's where I'm headed after this.
00:54:02
Speaker
I think the two movies on here I haven't seen probably have the best shot at this, which are nickel boys and sing sing.
00:54:08
Speaker
Just from what I hear from people I trust.
00:54:12
Speaker
I mean, I have a gut feeling it's going to nickel boys.
00:54:14
Speaker
I do too.
00:54:15
Speaker
I'm going to go see nickel boys this weekend.
00:54:17
Speaker
I think this is going to be a spot for them to give a movie like that, either of those, one award, and then call it quits.
00:54:25
Speaker
Awesome.
00:54:25
Speaker
What do you mean by a movie like that?
00:54:29
Speaker
Thank you.
00:54:30
Speaker
Thank you.
00:54:30
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:54:31
Speaker
What did you say?
00:54:33
Speaker
Greg Quedar is a white guy.
00:54:34
Speaker
Sing Sing is made by white people.
00:54:36
Speaker
Real quick, I want to go back and say, why the fuck was Nickel Boys not nominated for Best Cinematography?
00:54:43
Speaker
A POV movie?
00:54:44
Speaker
I haven't seen it.
00:54:46
Speaker
That's crazy.
00:54:48
Speaker
Everything I've seen of it, it looks incredible.
00:54:50
Speaker
The trailer looked better than almost any other movie I've seen this year.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm very excited to see it, and then I'll comment on it.
00:55:00
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:55:04
Speaker
I can't speak on how a movie looks.
00:55:05
Speaker
Everyone's a million their last Perez.
00:55:07
Speaker
Really good to see it.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah, I think at this point we should probably just, if we don't know it, we can move the fuck on.
00:55:15
Speaker
Best original screenplay.
00:55:17
Speaker
This is actually a really exciting, really cool category.
00:55:20
Speaker
Except for that it's got my biggest snub of the year.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:23
Speaker
Which, for me, is missing a key film that I think was, I think in all of our top fives.
00:55:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:30
Speaker
Or maybe just missed.
00:55:31
Speaker
But, Onora from Sean Baker, The Brutalist from Brady, Corbet, and Mona Fastfold, which, I don't know.
00:55:38
Speaker
I mean, I think it's an interesting story, I guess.
00:55:40
Speaker
I've got some beef with it.
00:55:41
Speaker
Y'all have said that it falls apart in the second act, or the second half.
00:55:45
Speaker
That's the consensus I've heard.
00:55:46
Speaker
On The Brutalist?
00:55:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:48
Speaker
No, it just is stilted and lacks substance.
00:55:51
Speaker
I think it falls apart, but
00:55:53
Speaker
Whatever.
00:55:53
Speaker
I think the whole thing is like a really meandery way to tell a story that is no longer than America took advantage of immigrants and doesn't say much more than that.
00:56:04
Speaker
Like there's stories you can hash out through that lens, but the lens isn't the story.
00:56:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:10
Speaker
A Real Pain from Jesse Eisenberg.
00:56:13
Speaker
Very excited to see Eisenberg here.
00:56:15
Speaker
Which I've heard comparisons to fucking Before Sunrise.
00:56:19
Speaker
My mother loved it.
00:56:22
Speaker
I'm excited to watch it.
00:56:24
Speaker
Me too.
00:56:24
Speaker
Eisenberg has another movie coming out soon with Julianne Moore where it's like a musical.
00:56:31
Speaker
That's fun.
00:56:32
Speaker
He's very talented.
00:56:34
Speaker
Him and Michael Shannon.
00:56:35
Speaker
No, I'm sorry.
00:56:35
Speaker
I'm thinking of the Michael Shannon Tilda Swinton one.
00:56:38
Speaker
September 5 from Tim Feldbaum and Moritz Bender.
00:56:41
Speaker
Everyone I know who's seen this film has said it's great.
00:56:45
Speaker
It seems like it's just a really taut thriller.
00:56:48
Speaker
You can't really go wrong with a story like that.
00:56:50
Speaker
Newsroom thriller?
00:56:51
Speaker
I mean, inject it into my veins.
00:56:53
Speaker
I'm there.
00:56:53
Speaker
Fucking sick.
00:56:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
00:56:57
Speaker
The movie I'm the most excited about on this list...
00:57:00
Speaker
is seeing my favorite film of the year, The Substance, nominated.
00:57:03
Speaker
It's pretty cool.
00:57:05
Speaker
On this list, it's definitely, like, an easy choice for me.
00:57:12
Speaker
The snub that Joe and I have referred to is not getting to see Jane Schoenbrunn's script for I Saw the TV Glow.
00:57:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy.
00:57:20
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:57:21
Speaker
It's the A24 thing.
00:57:23
Speaker
This is my theory on it.
00:57:25
Speaker
A24 always puts all their weight behind one movie.
00:57:28
Speaker
And this year is the brutalist.
00:57:30
Speaker
That's just how they operate.
00:57:31
Speaker
They don't have the wherewithal on the budget to put their weight behind many different movies.
00:57:35
Speaker
Especially something that came out earlier in the year.
00:57:37
Speaker
Like I saw the TV Globe.
00:57:39
Speaker
And I'm with you guys.
00:57:40
Speaker
I think I have it at number three on the year.
00:57:42
Speaker
I love that movie so much.
00:57:44
Speaker
But it's just like A24 just didn't have the fucking weight.
00:57:50
Speaker
I mean, they don't have Netflix money.
00:57:51
Speaker
They can't just... Have you all seen the discourse around every A24 movie's variation of the menu?
00:57:59
Speaker
What does that mean?
00:58:01
Speaker
It was so stupid, especially considering that like...
00:58:04
Speaker
I understand that for a while, and I know people in my life who love to be like, I just love all A24 movies.
00:58:10
Speaker
And I know for a while, it was very like they were releasing films that were very similar, but this year, honestly, is the most divorce, divorce, diversified portfolio they've ever had.
00:58:20
Speaker
Freud just woke up.
00:58:22
Speaker
My parents got divorced.
00:58:27
Speaker
I like a pretty compellingly diverse portfolio of films here.
00:58:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:34
Speaker
But it's like, I always laugh when people are like, I love A24 movies.
00:58:37
Speaker
It's like saying I love all Warner Brothers movies.
00:58:39
Speaker
It's like, it's a fucking stupid, like, I understand.
00:58:42
Speaker
It feels like the fucking 50s.
00:58:43
Speaker
Hey, we gotta go see the new Warner Brothers flick.
00:58:45
Speaker
Yeah, the new MGM picture.
00:58:46
Speaker
It's like, shut the fuck up.
00:58:47
Speaker
Like, yes, I understand that they all have a patina.
00:58:50
Speaker
The guy who takes Hail Caesar way too literally.
00:58:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:54
Speaker
Yo, did y'all see we're getting a 4K release?
00:58:55
Speaker
Oh, thank God.
00:58:59
Speaker
This is a pro-Hail Caesar podcast.
00:59:00
Speaker
Twit that it was so simple.
00:59:02
Speaker
Twit that it was so simple.
00:59:04
Speaker
Twit that it were so simple.
00:59:06
Speaker
On to what is going to... Unfortunately, we might have to keep Austin here because we're going to get into kind of the weeds here of some real contentious categories because we're getting into the acting categories.
00:59:20
Speaker
First, I'm just going to go ahead and go through best supporting actor very quickly and then give I'll give what I think is a real snub here.
00:59:28
Speaker
You're a Boris off or a Nora.
00:59:30
Speaker
I know the Nora boys are very excited about that one.
00:59:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:33
Speaker
Cool.
00:59:33
Speaker
Damn.
00:59:34
Speaker
Well, he's fucking incredible.
00:59:36
Speaker
Well fucking deserved.
00:59:37
Speaker
Kieran Culkin for A Real Pain, which everyone who's seen it says it's excellent.
00:59:42
Speaker
He's having a moment.
00:59:43
Speaker
Kieran's having a moment.
00:59:45
Speaker
He's campaigning really hard as much as he wants to tell you that he isn't.
00:59:50
Speaker
Edward Norton for A Complete Unknown.
00:59:52
Speaker
Interesting.
00:59:52
Speaker
Eddie Haskell.
00:59:55
Speaker
I love the movie, but really?
00:59:57
Speaker
That's the one?
01:00:00
Speaker
I am going to play some songs.
01:00:03
Speaker
I would have given it to Holbrook.
01:00:05
Speaker
Yes.
01:00:06
Speaker
If you're giving it to anybody in a supporting performance.
01:00:09
Speaker
Scoot McNary.
01:00:10
Speaker
Yeah, you're a huge Scoot defender.
01:00:12
Speaker
Not defender, but you love Scoot in that film.
01:00:15
Speaker
I think if Holbrook had one more scene, he could have got there.
01:00:19
Speaker
I think it's just a little too small, but we'll get into that when we get to Best Supporting Actress.
01:00:22
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:23
Speaker
Guy Pearce for The Brutalist.
01:00:26
Speaker
Actually, genuinely the performance in that movie I liked the most.
01:00:28
Speaker
Probably the best part of the movie.
01:00:30
Speaker
Yep.
01:00:31
Speaker
And Jeremy Strong for The Apprentice.
01:00:34
Speaker
Genuinely, I think... Shocking?
01:00:38
Speaker
Shocking.
01:00:39
Speaker
I think had...
01:00:42
Speaker
This is going to get real weird.
01:00:44
Speaker
If Kamala Harris had won the presidency, we would have this movie would not have shown its face at all in the Oscars.
01:00:50
Speaker
But I think now agree of.
01:00:53
Speaker
Is I think that they're like, fuck it.
01:00:56
Speaker
Somebody from this flick needs to be nominated.
01:00:58
Speaker
We need to talk about it.
01:00:59
Speaker
Somebody needs to get on stage and talk about Donald Trump.
01:01:03
Speaker
It would be very funny if Jeremy Strong beats out his brother from Succession.
01:01:07
Speaker
Like, he upsets Kieran Culkin.
01:01:11
Speaker
I love Jeremy Strong.
01:01:12
Speaker
I haven't seen The Apprentice yet.
01:01:13
Speaker
It would also be really funny if Kieran Culkin wins because he'll definitely, like, fucking slap Jeremy Strong or something on live TV, fucking Will Smith style.
01:01:24
Speaker
As much as I've been shitting on it, Guy Pearce and
01:01:28
Speaker
Guy Pearce should take this as much as I've been sitting on the brutalist.
01:01:32
Speaker
He's truly excellent in that film.
01:01:35
Speaker
You prefer it over your Borisov?
01:01:37
Speaker
It's more complex.
01:01:38
Speaker
He's doing a lot more.
01:01:40
Speaker
I love Borisov's performance.
01:01:42
Speaker
It's incredible.
01:01:44
Speaker
It's just like, yeah, sure, Guy Pearce, but what about Conor O'Malley and I saw the TV glow?
01:01:51
Speaker
I think Pearce is...
01:01:54
Speaker
And as much as I want to like treat the Oscars as much based on merit as I can, I think it's a, it's time.
01:02:03
Speaker
Like why the fuck hasn't Guy Pearce gotten his flowers?
01:02:05
Speaker
He's such a good actor.
01:02:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:07
Speaker
He's an incredible actor.
01:02:08
Speaker
Have you guys seen the right move?
01:02:10
Speaker
I have not.
01:02:10
Speaker
Who was it that watched LA Confidential for the first time recently?
01:02:12
Speaker
Me.
01:02:13
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
I rewatched it recently.
01:02:16
Speaker
So good.
01:02:17
Speaker
I mean, Memento, dude.
01:02:19
Speaker
Like, yeah, that was like, when I watched that movie and I like for the first time, I was like, wait, why isn't Guy Pearson fucking everything?
01:02:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:31
Speaker
Some.
01:02:31
Speaker
And I also think best supporting is simultaneously a really cool category because of some of the people who are nominated and a kind of shitty category.
01:02:39
Speaker
So read it through very quickly.
01:02:40
Speaker
Monica Barbaro for playing Joan Baez in A Complete Unknown.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yes, yes.
01:02:44
Speaker
Let's go!
01:02:46
Speaker
Ariana Grande in Wicked, the best performance in that flick.
01:02:49
Speaker
I think she's genuinely excellent in that film.
01:02:50
Speaker
By a country mile.
01:02:52
Speaker
She's very good.
01:02:54
Speaker
Felicity Jones, The Brutalist, I think she's very bad in that movie.
01:02:58
Speaker
It's not.
01:02:59
Speaker
What's very, very, very cool is Isabella Rossellini.
01:03:03
Speaker
Her first Oscar nomination.
01:03:05
Speaker
Yes.
01:03:06
Speaker
Came this morning.
01:03:06
Speaker
Is that true?
01:03:07
Speaker
Very excited for her.
01:03:08
Speaker
Her very first.
01:03:09
Speaker
She had never been nominated.
01:03:11
Speaker
That's insane.
01:03:12
Speaker
Which is why it's so cool.
01:03:13
Speaker
I want to win so bad.
01:03:15
Speaker
And Zoe Saldana for Amelia Perez.
01:03:17
Speaker
I believe her first.
01:03:18
Speaker
I'm okay with it.
01:03:20
Speaker
I'm okay with it.
01:03:22
Speaker
It's her first nomination.
01:03:23
Speaker
I think Zoe Saldana is going to win.
01:03:25
Speaker
I think the only chance that again, this is going to get kind of dark.
01:03:29
Speaker
I think Rossellini has a better chance now that David Lynch just died.
01:03:33
Speaker
I agree.
01:03:34
Speaker
Like, I think a lot of people are revisiting Blue Velvet and she's going to get a boost, which like, that's just Oscar bullshit.
01:03:41
Speaker
But it's also just a very compelling performance.
01:03:44
Speaker
Like she killed it.
01:03:45
Speaker
She's great.
01:03:46
Speaker
She was one of the best parts in it.
01:03:48
Speaker
She was one of the best parts in a movie full of like 30 best parts.
01:03:51
Speaker
I just think the coolest part about Zoe Saldana is it just beckons the question what do mocap scenes look like before editing fair enough I mean for me my pick of these five having not seen the brutalist is Monica Barbaro almost completely because of the singing
01:04:11
Speaker
Yeah, Austin's voting for his boner again.
01:04:14
Speaker
Well, you know, I always do.
01:04:16
Speaker
It guides my keyboard.
01:04:17
Speaker
It has nothing to do with the tattered white t-shirt.
01:04:21
Speaker
I mean, I'm on board for the whole thing.
01:04:23
Speaker
Just to me, I think everybody in that movie does a wonderful job with the singing and with the performance.
01:04:29
Speaker
It's between them two.
01:04:30
Speaker
It's between Barbaro and Rossellini.
01:04:32
Speaker
Well, and mimicking Joan Baez.
01:04:34
Speaker
Joan Baez is a classically trained guitarist in sync.
01:04:37
Speaker
And Monica Barbaro had never done either of those things.
01:04:40
Speaker
And to sound like Joan Baez is fucking absurd as a person who majored in voice in college.
01:04:46
Speaker
It's like, that's, not to brag, but that's fucking nuts that she can do that.
01:04:51
Speaker
That's so fucking hard.
01:04:53
Speaker
Real fucking skill, talent, dedication.
01:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, and just do it off the cuff.
01:04:59
Speaker
Oh gosh.
01:04:59
Speaker
Maddie just brought in breaking news.
01:05:02
Speaker
Maddie's pregnant.
01:05:03
Speaker
No.
01:05:04
Speaker
I just said that just because Maddie can't hear it.
01:05:09
Speaker
Oh, it's a movie trailer.
01:05:11
Speaker
What trailer?
01:05:12
Speaker
Maddie just showed me the trailer for Opus.
01:05:15
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:05:15
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:05:16
Speaker
I'm excited for that.
01:05:17
Speaker
What's Mark Anthony Green done?
01:05:21
Speaker
Nothing.
01:05:22
Speaker
This is his first movie.
01:05:23
Speaker
Matty just said my mom when I asked what he's done.
01:05:29
Speaker
I was telling you earlier about how you shot me in the head with the bullet when you said that I held the door open for that cop because he reminded me of my dad.
01:05:38
Speaker
That's really good.
01:05:39
Speaker
Are you keeping that in, Joe?
01:05:43
Speaker
I'm fine.
01:05:44
Speaker
I'll fucking bleep it.
01:05:45
Speaker
No shame.
01:05:45
Speaker
No, no, no.
01:05:46
Speaker
Kill me with the eyes.
01:05:47
Speaker
I'm not telling you to bleep it.
01:05:49
Speaker
I was just like, do you want that on record?
01:05:51
Speaker
I don't care if you want that on record.
01:05:53
Speaker
To get back to the conversation at hand, this category has a huge snub for me and Margaret Qualley.
01:05:59
Speaker
Margaret Qualley should be in this category.
01:06:01
Speaker
I agree.
01:06:02
Speaker
Without a shadow.
01:06:03
Speaker
I think that movie only works because it's the two of them.
01:06:09
Speaker
It is the duality that's happening.
01:06:13
Speaker
I think Demi Moore is very deserving of the nom that she got.
01:06:17
Speaker
I hope she wins, honestly.
01:06:20
Speaker
But
01:06:22
Speaker
I think you have to have both.
01:06:24
Speaker
I agree with you and want to deliver a PSA.
01:06:27
Speaker
Everyone who's saying that her mom should have played Demi Moore's part is... That's fucking weird.
01:06:32
Speaker
That's a very weird situation.
01:06:34
Speaker
I mean, I love Andy McDowell, but no.
01:06:36
Speaker
It's an incorrect take.
01:06:38
Speaker
Also, Andy McDowell is beautiful, but I don't think Andy McDowell has that same sort of sexuality that we latch onto with Demi Moore and why that matters so much.
01:06:46
Speaker
She doesn't have that history.
01:06:48
Speaker
She wasn't in striptease.
01:06:49
Speaker
That's what that is.
01:06:51
Speaker
Like it's, it was in a movie literally called strip tease guys.
01:06:55
Speaker
It's one of the most legendary parts about the more performance for me.
01:07:00
Speaker
Um,
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, I think quality is the one I would really want to see here.
01:07:06
Speaker
Honestly, over Felicity Jones, I haven't even seen Amelia Perez, but I think the Jones performance is really bad.
01:07:12
Speaker
I think she's miscast.
01:07:13
Speaker
I don't like any part of it.
01:07:15
Speaker
And she's like the biggest reason they had to use the AI, right?
01:07:19
Speaker
No.
01:07:20
Speaker
No, it was Brody.
01:07:20
Speaker
No, it's Brody.
01:07:22
Speaker
Well, I thought it was both of them because they were speaking Hungarian.
01:07:25
Speaker
No.
01:07:25
Speaker
There's very little Hungarian spoken.
01:07:29
Speaker
She speaks practically none of it.
01:07:31
Speaker
They ruined the reputation of the movie for like barely anything.
01:07:35
Speaker
There's a couple of uses of AI, one of which is in some of the structures that appear in the epilogue of the film.
01:07:41
Speaker
Oh my god.
01:07:44
Speaker
Anyways, one of the best actors.
01:07:45
Speaker
Sorry, my cat just clawed the shit out of my leg.
01:07:48
Speaker
Fucking bitch.
01:07:50
Speaker
Fucking bitch.
01:07:51
Speaker
Is the epilogue of the Brutalist what people said the epilogue of Babylon was?
01:08:01
Speaker
No.
01:08:02
Speaker
No.
01:08:03
Speaker
Like, because people shit all over the epilogue of Babylon.
01:08:04
Speaker
I'm like, you fucking idiots.
01:08:06
Speaker
He put Avatar in it.
01:08:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:08
Speaker
We got to see Avatar after we watched Babylon.
01:08:12
Speaker
Yeah, the epilogue of Babylon is awesome.
01:08:14
Speaker
The epilogue of The Brutalist is like an entire shift in tone that like...
01:08:22
Speaker
Doesn't say anything to put a bow on it.
01:08:24
Speaker
And then even even I was trying to think of a stupid ass name to call him besides his name.
01:08:32
Speaker
Brady Fuckface came out after the fact that one of the lines spoken in the brutalist epilogue, which is like the most stilted bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
01:08:43
Speaker
I'll say it.
01:08:44
Speaker
It doesn't spoil shit.
01:08:45
Speaker
He literally has his actress say the line.
01:08:48
Speaker
It's actually not about the destination.
01:08:50
Speaker
It's about the journey.
01:08:51
Speaker
Shut the fuck up.
01:08:52
Speaker
No, other way around.
01:08:52
Speaker
It's not about the destination.
01:08:53
Speaker
It's about the destination.
01:08:55
Speaker
No, the thing is flip, dude.
01:08:58
Speaker
Either way, it's a fucking wild choice.
01:09:01
Speaker
And when they asked him about it in an interview, he said, oh, no, I just thought that sounded pretty cool.
01:09:07
Speaker
Yeah, so does everyone.
01:09:08
Speaker
It's an idiom.
01:09:09
Speaker
He said he genuinely believes it, too.
01:09:12
Speaker
which is fucking absurd.
01:09:13
Speaker
Anyways, on to best actor.
01:09:16
Speaker
Best actor.
01:09:17
Speaker
A pretty cool category.
01:09:18
Speaker
Fair cool to see Sebastian Stan here.
01:09:21
Speaker
Or The Apprentice.
01:09:23
Speaker
Um...
01:09:24
Speaker
Adrian Brody for the Brutalist.
01:09:25
Speaker
We love Sebastian Stan, don't we, folks?
01:09:27
Speaker
We love him.
01:09:28
Speaker
Many people.
01:09:30
Speaker
Adrian Brody for the Brutalist, who I think is pretty good, but like, you know, whatever.
01:09:36
Speaker
My boy.
01:09:37
Speaker
Big Tim.
01:09:38
Speaker
Timothy Chalamet for A Complete Unknown.
01:09:39
Speaker
Tim ding ding.
01:09:41
Speaker
This is Timmy's.
01:09:42
Speaker
Timmy's to lose.
01:09:43
Speaker
Let's give him Timmy.
01:09:44
Speaker
Let's give it to him, Timmy.
01:09:46
Speaker
I think it is Timmy's to lose.
01:09:48
Speaker
But we also have to consider... He's been campaigning the shit out of it.
01:09:54
Speaker
We have two men who are in their 50s and 60s who have never won before.
01:10:00
Speaker
Coleman Domingo is now... This is consecutive years of Best Actor nominations.
01:10:06
Speaker
Last year for Rustin, which is a movie that is not very good.
01:10:09
Speaker
And Sing Sing, which everyone says is very good.
01:10:12
Speaker
And Ralph Fiennes for Conclave.
01:10:14
Speaker
Ralph Fiennes has never won.
01:10:16
Speaker
I would be so fine with Ray Fine wins.
01:10:19
Speaker
Or Coleman Domingo or Sebastian Stan.
01:10:22
Speaker
Genuinely, everyone but Adrian Brody, I'm psyched.
01:10:24
Speaker
But even Adrian Brody, he seems good in that movie.
01:10:28
Speaker
He's not bad.
01:10:28
Speaker
He's not my favorite.
01:10:29
Speaker
I think Saturday is going to be big for Timmy.
01:10:33
Speaker
Hosting SNL, musical performer, and he's already doing a great job on the press for it.
01:10:39
Speaker
I think it's going to be a big moment.
01:10:41
Speaker
I think it's going to be the most watched SNL in a while.
01:10:47
Speaker
I think voters are going to be tuning in.
01:10:49
Speaker
The teaser they did with the multiple Timmy's.
01:10:53
Speaker
That's so good.
01:10:55
Speaker
I feel like that signals the possibility of a Timmy Chalamet rap performance.
01:11:01
Speaker
Please God.
01:11:03
Speaker
Will Timmy Tim?
01:11:04
Speaker
Will Timmy Tim?
01:11:06
Speaker
I think that'll happen in a sketch and not as one of his musical performances.
01:11:10
Speaker
Pete Davidson's going to come back and they're going to do that fucking skirt sketch again.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:16
Speaker
I mean, Timmy or Rafe, I'd be happy with Sebastian Stan.
01:11:20
Speaker
I haven't seen The Apprentice yet, but his performance in A Different Man is terrific.
01:11:25
Speaker
The Aaron Schimberg movie.
01:11:27
Speaker
That's my other big snub is I think that Pearson should have got nominated.
01:11:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:32
Speaker
Adam Pearson's phenomenal in that movie.
01:11:33
Speaker
And I mean, that movie got some below the line, like makeup and hairstyling to a different man did deservedly.
01:11:40
Speaker
I think that movie is really good.
01:11:41
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:43
Speaker
So I think that I think Stan, Stan,
01:11:47
Speaker
I think part of his recognition is people being like, yo, you're the only Marvel person doing anything interesting.
01:11:55
Speaker
Like you're the only one cashing in and people respect that.
01:12:00
Speaker
Like if Chris Evans was doing what he did, Chris Evans would have won an Oscar.
01:12:03
Speaker
Totally.
Actor Performances and Oscar Predictions
01:12:04
Speaker
Like, and I think Chris Evans is a great actor.
01:12:07
Speaker
He's just not doing it.
01:12:08
Speaker
And Stan has been in a bunch of good shit.
01:12:09
Speaker
He was fucking great.
01:12:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:11
Speaker
Tonya.
01:12:12
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
01:12:12
Speaker
He's he's incredibly talented and great.
01:12:15
Speaker
He's great in payment.
01:12:16
Speaker
Tommy to like his Tommy Lee performance is nuts.
01:12:18
Speaker
He used the cash.
01:12:19
Speaker
He converted it.
01:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, I love seeing an interview recently with him where he was like, I don't fucking understand why everyone just loves that cannibal movie I did.
01:12:28
Speaker
He doesn't even say the name fresh.
01:12:29
Speaker
He's just like, yeah, he's good at it.
01:12:34
Speaker
Yeah, I've never seen it, but I had some I was surprised by how much I hate it.
01:12:39
Speaker
Hmm.
01:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, I want it to be Timmy, though.
01:12:41
Speaker
I'd be very happy if it was Rafe or Coleman.
01:12:44
Speaker
I'll have more info on Coleman.
01:12:46
Speaker
I don't see a lot where it's not Timmy at this point.
01:12:49
Speaker
There's such a narrative right now behind Timmy because he is currently up against the youngest best actor winner ever.
01:12:57
Speaker
Adrian Brody for The Pianist.
01:13:01
Speaker
Yeah, The Pianist.
01:13:03
Speaker
I always confuse the title with The Piano.
01:13:05
Speaker
Very different films.
01:13:08
Speaker
Brody for The Penis is the youngest best actor winner ever.
01:13:12
Speaker
And so getting to have this moment of nominating Timmy
01:13:17
Speaker
is special and I think is like is there for the taking and his acceptance speech will be so Gen Z too it'll be fucking hilarious to be like yo real shit dude real shit I think he'll be really really excited and then he'll forget to thank like 900 people and then make a very long Instagram post yep on to best actress
01:13:47
Speaker
Interesting category.
01:13:49
Speaker
Interesting category.
01:13:50
Speaker
Cynthia Erivo for Wicked.
01:13:52
Speaker
I think she's pretty good, but I think there's other people I would just prefer to have seen there.
01:13:58
Speaker
Carla Sofia Gascon for Amelia Perez, which I mean, like if you're going to nominate fucking everybody in that movie or rather everything in that movie, it kind of makes sense to nominate the title character.
01:14:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:10
Speaker
Mikey Madison and Enora.
01:14:12
Speaker
Great.
01:14:13
Speaker
Cool.
01:14:13
Speaker
I haven't seen.
01:14:14
Speaker
Everyone says fucking rips.
01:14:18
Speaker
Demi for the substance, which I... Man, I would be cool with either of them winning.
01:14:23
Speaker
I think Demi... Same.
01:14:24
Speaker
I think Mikey's going to win.
01:14:29
Speaker
You think they're going young this year?
01:14:30
Speaker
They're going to give it to Timmy and Mikey?
01:14:32
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:32
Speaker
Well, the interesting thing is that...
01:14:35
Speaker
For actors, it's very often that they make them wait, that they go an It's Time Oscar.
01:14:43
Speaker
Whereas for actresses, it's like they nominate them, they give them an award super early, and then they forget about them by the time they're 40.
01:14:50
Speaker
So very rarely do actresses get to have an It's Time Oscar.
01:14:52
Speaker
It sounds like the plot of women in this country.
01:14:55
Speaker
It's why Amy Adams and Glenn Close probably will never win an Oscar.
01:15:00
Speaker
is that it's like... Fucking bullshit, man.
01:15:01
Speaker
They don't care.
01:15:02
Speaker
Which, by the way, Amy Adams was great in Night Bitch, and I would have definitely nominated her over her fucking... Quick anecdote, the fucking bit in 30 Rock where they slime Glenn Close is fucking so good.
01:15:14
Speaker
It's so good, dude.
01:15:15
Speaker
At the Kids Choice Awards.
01:15:19
Speaker
Austin, I saw Austin on Monday because we were watching the national championship game and Austin was like, I'm on season six of 30 Rock right now.
01:15:26
Speaker
Holy shit.
01:15:27
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
01:15:28
Speaker
You fly through that shit.
01:15:30
Speaker
I thought I was going to piss my pants laughing because I was like, I thought I was flying through it and I'm almost done with season two.
01:15:36
Speaker
I'm like at the end of three, I think.
01:15:38
Speaker
And I feel like I've been watching it a lot.
01:15:40
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:41
Speaker
And then Fernando Torres for I'm still here.
01:15:43
Speaker
You guys got to the Giamatti performance in 30 Rock yet?
01:15:46
Speaker
Not yet.
01:15:46
Speaker
I'm not there yet.
01:15:47
Speaker
He's my favorite guest star.
01:15:50
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't seen I'm Still Here, so I can't really speak on it.
01:15:55
Speaker
The one that I'm surprised isn't here is Lily Rose Depp.
01:16:02
Speaker
Horror performances are an interesting thing.
01:16:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:16:05
Speaker
I'm not saying she should win.
01:16:06
Speaker
I'm just surprised she's not there over Erivo.
01:16:09
Speaker
For me...
01:16:13
Speaker
genuinely like the snub of the century and I would take almost anybody out to make sure she's in is Zendaya for challengers yeah like that is the he's so good like I love O'Connor I love Feist but like I mean that is Zendaya's movie I think she's excellent in it
01:16:34
Speaker
And it's like, and it's the thing of, we talk about this all the time of like the Oscars love the opportunity to have young, beautiful, famous people there.
01:16:42
Speaker
And it's like, not, well, I guess she'll be there because of Dune Part 2, but like, not guaranteeing that you get to show her face in an actress is, in an actress list is a little odd, you know what I mean?
01:16:59
Speaker
Well, it just seems crazy.
01:17:01
Speaker
And it's for me, it's like Cynthia Erivo.
01:17:03
Speaker
Sorry, I had to step up for a second.
01:17:05
Speaker
Y'all may have already talked about this, but I think is not good in that movie because she's playing Elphaba in Act Two in Act One.
01:17:13
Speaker
That's what I've heard.
01:17:14
Speaker
I haven't seen it, but that's everything I've heard.
01:17:15
Speaker
It doesn't make any sense.
01:17:17
Speaker
Like she's playing like Elphaba is like a little timid, but still kind of like dewy eyed and ready to take on the world.
01:17:24
Speaker
And she comes into that movie jaded.
01:17:27
Speaker
and like Elphaba is jaded in act two like that's the whole thing and I don't understand that performance at all I don't think it elevates the movie in a way her singing is obviously amazing but you know there's a lot of great singing out there and I think she's an amazing actor I love her in Widows so so much but you know it just doesn't it doesn't work for me I haven't seen I'm still here it doesn't tickle my pickle you know it doesn't get my dick hard
01:17:58
Speaker
Not like Barbaro.
01:18:00
Speaker
It doesn't get my dick hard.
01:18:02
Speaker
None of these flicks get my dick hard.
01:18:04
Speaker
It doesn't give me half a sandwich.
01:18:06
Speaker
What can I say?
01:18:07
Speaker
That's the exact discourse the Academy is looking for with the best actress category.
01:18:12
Speaker
I mean, come on.
01:18:13
Speaker
Which one of these ladies gets me going the most?
01:18:16
Speaker
It would have been really fun to see in Anya Taylor, Anya Tanya, John, yeah.
01:18:21
Speaker
nomination yeah um she's but if they didn't if they didn't do it for uh for charlie's for playing furiosa they certainly weren't going to do it for her for playing furiosa yeah hey jerry what do you think about jerry what do you think about the best actors category this year too old not even mikey mikey's pretty young
01:18:43
Speaker
yeah but she's asian or something i don't know i don't know you might have to cut that jerry no that was jerry that was jerry dude joey well i was saying joey you might have to cut jerry saying that's a little jerry i uh i'll be honest with you jerry i believe that mikey madison is a white woman anyways best director
01:19:10
Speaker
This one is also, to me, really weird.
Diversity and Director Nominations
01:19:15
Speaker
It's very weird.
01:19:16
Speaker
In a year of which we've had some really great films directed by women, we've had some really great international films, it's four white guys.
01:19:24
Speaker
Sean Baker, which, again, I haven't seen the film, I think is pretty cool.
01:19:28
Speaker
Brady Corbett, Corbet, Cobalt, Fear for the Brutalist, which honestly, to me, just feels like the most Academy thing imaginable, like a giant epic about great men.
01:19:41
Speaker
It's like, of course they're going to nominate the director.
01:19:43
Speaker
So while I don't love it, I'm not like... I think it feels pretty on the nose, so I'm not surprised.
01:19:53
Speaker
Mangled for a complete unknown, which to me is a serious surprise,
01:19:58
Speaker
I like that movie.
01:19:58
Speaker
It doesn't feel like it.
01:20:00
Speaker
It doesn't feel like a best director movie.
01:20:01
Speaker
No, it doesn't really feel like it's directly formulaic movie.
01:20:05
Speaker
No.
01:20:05
Speaker
Yeah.
01:20:06
Speaker
They kind of just like put the camera where it goes and then they let the actors act.
01:20:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:20:12
Speaker
Can I, sorry, before we move on, can I, can I circle back to one thing?
01:20:15
Speaker
I'm so sorry.
01:20:15
Speaker
Please.
01:20:16
Speaker
Back to best actress, huge snub for me.
01:20:18
Speaker
It was never going to happen.
01:20:20
Speaker
Literally never in the history of the world that this happened, but Juliette Garieppe from Red Runes.
01:20:25
Speaker
Oh my God.
01:20:27
Speaker
One of the, one of the performances.
01:20:28
Speaker
I still need to watch that one.
01:20:30
Speaker
Also, I'm the only one who say this, Elle Fanning snub.
01:20:34
Speaker
Nah.
01:20:35
Speaker
I mean, if you're going to take one, it's got to be Barbaro.
01:20:38
Speaker
I think both of them ripped in that movie, but I don't know why you guys got soft.
01:20:43
Speaker
I had no problem with Elle Fanning's performance other than, no.
01:20:48
Speaker
Zach was the most critical of Elle Fanning, and I don't agree with him all the way.
01:20:52
Speaker
I don't particularly feel like it was a snub, but I do love Elle Fanning.
01:20:55
Speaker
She performs her part.
01:20:56
Speaker
She serves her function.
01:21:00
Speaker
She is Bruce Bowen on the 2001 San Antonio Spreys.
01:21:04
Speaker
Okay.
01:21:05
Speaker
Thank you for that.
01:21:07
Speaker
I know what that means.
01:21:08
Speaker
I would have said, like, it's crazy to me because, and I get, I think the Academy's like, fuck it, we nominated Edward Burger two years ago.
01:21:16
Speaker
But, like, to nominate Mangold for a complete unknown, but not Burger for Conclave.
01:21:21
Speaker
It's kind of crazy.
01:21:22
Speaker
Burger deserves it.
01:21:24
Speaker
For Red Rooms would have been sick.
01:21:25
Speaker
Pascal Plante for Red Rooms.
01:21:27
Speaker
God damn, what a film.
01:21:29
Speaker
Come on, we got two Luca G movies this year?
01:21:31
Speaker
I mean... Having Jane Schoenbrunn there... Obviously they weren't going to nominate Jane Schoenbrunn.
01:21:37
Speaker
That sucks, but they weren't going to.
01:21:39
Speaker
I think Luca's the biggest snub here.
01:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, come on.
01:21:43
Speaker
It's Luca and Denis.
01:21:44
Speaker
It's insane.
01:21:46
Speaker
Like, as the person who least likes doing part two on this podcast, it's still insane to leave them on.
01:21:53
Speaker
S.J.
01:21:53
Speaker
Clarkson for Madame Webber.
01:21:56
Speaker
I mean come on Fucking JC Chandor for Craven the Hunter What if we had woken up this morning And Giovanni Ribisi had gotten a cinematography nomination I would have screamed Give it to him
01:22:13
Speaker
He's great in Lost Highway.
01:22:15
Speaker
I like that movie a lot.
01:22:17
Speaker
I like Strange's Darling a lot.
01:22:18
Speaker
I forgot he was in Lost Highway until I put it on last night.
01:22:21
Speaker
I was like, hey, hey.
01:22:22
Speaker
His name's like Nicky V or some stupid shit.
01:22:25
Speaker
Stevie V, I think.
01:22:26
Speaker
If you're going to nominate a bunch of white guys, throw Clint a last nom for juror number two.
01:22:32
Speaker
Get him in there.
01:22:33
Speaker
That movie's terrific.
01:22:35
Speaker
You're right.
01:22:35
Speaker
It's so fucking good.
01:22:36
Speaker
It is terrific.
01:22:37
Speaker
Genuinely juror number two fucking rips.
01:22:38
Speaker
It's so good.
01:22:39
Speaker
I forgot to include.
01:22:40
Speaker
Fuck off in this category.
01:22:42
Speaker
Yeah, what's this French fuck doing there?
01:22:44
Speaker
Jacques Odiard for Emilia Perez.
01:22:46
Speaker
And the one that I'm really excited about, obviously it's my favorite movie of the year, but Coralie Farge in there for The Substance.
01:22:53
Speaker
Well-deserved.
01:22:55
Speaker
We rarely get to see somebody nominated for a horror film.
01:22:58
Speaker
We rarely get to see women nominated for Best Director.
01:23:01
Speaker
I don't think she's taken home the prize, unfortunately.
01:23:04
Speaker
I think... They're giving it to Brady Corbett.
01:23:06
Speaker
I think it's Corbett.
01:23:09
Speaker
By far.
01:23:09
Speaker
I think you're right, and that fucking blows...
01:23:12
Speaker
Yeah.
01:23:13
Speaker
I mean, she directed the shit out of that movie.
01:23:17
Speaker
I think it's the greatest achievement of the movie is in the directing.
01:23:20
Speaker
And I think there's a lot to love about that movie.
01:23:22
Speaker
But her sort of synthesis of ideas with body horror and her ability to kind of draw that together and make...
01:23:33
Speaker
It's just crazy to me.
01:23:36
Speaker
That's where the Academy is and I love it because David Cronenberg has never won an Oscar.
01:23:41
Speaker
It's like, what are we doing here?
01:23:45
Speaker
I love that she's there and I think it's a very, very well-deserved nom.
01:23:49
Speaker
I re-watched a chunk of that movie recently because Clarissa was watching it.
01:23:53
Speaker
Was it the shrimp cocktail scene?
01:23:55
Speaker
Yeah.
01:23:56
Speaker
I did see the shrimp cocktail scene.
01:23:57
Speaker
Also, yeah, we left Dennis Quaid off.
01:23:59
Speaker
Yeah, where was Dennis Quaid?
01:24:01
Speaker
Where's Quaid?
01:24:03
Speaker
Come on, buddy.
01:24:04
Speaker
I think you mean Dennis Weinstein.
01:24:06
Speaker
Yeah.
01:24:07
Speaker
It was a better day.
01:24:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:24:10
Speaker
He's genuinely great in that movie.
01:24:13
Speaker
He serves that movie so perfectly.
01:24:15
Speaker
I hate that podcasting is an audio medium because I need the listeners to know that when Joe does these voices, the beauty of Joe is that he understands what it's like to be a stand-up.
01:24:27
Speaker
So he also understands the physicality of humor.
01:24:31
Speaker
I wish you'd say...
01:24:33
Speaker
I haven't said the words hitman at all today.
01:24:39
Speaker
Link later.
01:24:40
Speaker
I knew it wasn't getting in there for anything.
01:24:42
Speaker
I thought maybe adapted screenplay had a chance.
01:24:45
Speaker
That was my only thought.
01:24:47
Speaker
But it didn't with the nominees as they exist, and I have respect for that.
01:24:51
Speaker
What do we need to do to get Glenn Powell an Oscar nom?
01:24:55
Speaker
I think it's coming.
01:24:56
Speaker
I think Running Man might be an opportunity.
01:24:59
Speaker
Maybe.
01:25:00
Speaker
I don't think they nominated an Edgar Wright movie.
01:25:03
Speaker
I don't think that's happening.
01:25:05
Speaker
I don't know.
01:25:06
Speaker
It's not impossible.
01:25:07
Speaker
I think that day's coming.
01:25:08
Speaker
I think he's going to keep working with interesting and good people.
01:25:11
Speaker
And he's going to keep working with Linklater.
01:25:13
Speaker
And Linklater at one point will serve him up a part so juicy that he'll get there.
01:25:17
Speaker
But he should have two nominations.
01:25:18
Speaker
Maybe he does a more serious thing with Lee Isaac Chung.
01:25:22
Speaker
That would be cool.
01:25:24
Speaker
This time it's about white people.
01:25:28
Speaker
I mean, he's working with good people, so I trust that it'll happen eventually.
01:25:33
Speaker
God bless him.
01:25:33
Speaker
I love him so much.
01:25:35
Speaker
It's the same exact plot.
01:25:37
Speaker
Is his family moving to Arkansas?
01:25:39
Speaker
Oh, no.
01:25:45
Speaker
Oh,
Best Picture and Oscar Party Plans
01:25:46
Speaker
anyways, best picture.
01:25:47
Speaker
Oh, my God.
01:25:49
Speaker
It's it's it feels a little odd because we've just we've gone through.
01:25:53
Speaker
We've spent the last hour and 20 minutes looking at this list.
01:25:57
Speaker
But best picture looks exactly like I expected it to.
01:26:00
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:01
Speaker
The more I look at this list, the more mad I get, man.
01:26:03
Speaker
I will say this is so real surprise here for me is seeing Nickel Boys get the best picture.
01:26:09
Speaker
Sure.
01:26:10
Speaker
That's really surprising to me.
01:26:11
Speaker
It is a very small film.
01:26:15
Speaker
The Substance being here, I mean, that's a movie flick.
01:26:18
Speaker
Like, that's really cool.
01:26:19
Speaker
I'll very quickly just read through.
01:26:20
Speaker
It's what you expect.
01:26:21
Speaker
Honora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Dune Part 2, fuck yeah.
01:26:27
Speaker
Amelia Perez, I'm Still Here, Nickel Boys, The Substance, and Wicked.
01:26:32
Speaker
But it's I have no idea what's going to happen here.
01:26:38
Speaker
I don't either.
01:26:39
Speaker
Not a clue.
01:26:40
Speaker
I think there's going to there's going to be a lot of campaigning from a lot of people between now and then.
01:26:45
Speaker
And they were talking on the big we referenced the big picture already, but they were talking about ranked choice voting and how that's going to factor in.
01:26:52
Speaker
Because like you could have a lot of people whose number two is Anora or a complete unknown.
01:26:57
Speaker
And that is really good for those movies.
01:27:00
Speaker
If Wicked takes home the best picture win, I'm going to throw my fucking grilled cheese at the TV.
01:27:06
Speaker
I will be honest.
01:27:06
Speaker
It will not offend me as much.
01:27:12
Speaker
And so I think at that point, I think I would just laugh because I would be like, what the fuck happened here?
01:27:19
Speaker
Unless they moonlight and they go, I'm seeing Wicked and it's not Wicked.
01:27:24
Speaker
It's fucking brutal.
01:27:25
Speaker
And then it's actually Challenger's best picture, baby.
01:27:29
Speaker
Here's how Challenger could still win.
01:27:32
Speaker
If you are in line, stay in line.
01:27:35
Speaker
Stay in line.
01:27:36
Speaker
Red, when you picked up your phone just now, I genuinely thought you picked up a gun.
01:27:42
Speaker
It's like, oh, Red got real excited.
01:27:44
Speaker
He's got his Glock.
01:27:46
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Red's dressing up in the schoolgirl outfit in the courtroom, looking directly at the Oscar voters, like fucking smiling.
01:27:55
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Then he's going to go home in their bedroom and upload some pictures onto their computer.
01:27:58
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He's going to go full-on perfect blue on these bitches.
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If I had to take a guess, I think it's going to be either Inora or The Brutalist.
01:28:08
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It's got to be The Brutalist.
01:28:09
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I don't see a way that it's not The Brutalist.
01:28:12
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Okay, we got the Brutalist.
01:28:14
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Zach, you got to pick one or the other.
01:28:16
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I'm making you pick.
01:28:17
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What I think or what I want?
01:28:18
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What do you think?
01:28:20
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Brutalist.
01:28:22
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Austin, what do you think?
01:28:26
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I don't know.
01:28:26
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It's so dicey.
01:28:28
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I think Onora.
01:28:29
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I think we're still going to get an Onora win.
01:28:31
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Okay.
01:28:32
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Hope you're right.
01:28:34
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I...
01:28:35
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I want it to be different, but I think if we're talking rank choice voting here, I think Enora is going to be so many people's number two, and I think their number ones are going to be so all over the place that I think it will push Enora into the top.
01:28:49
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I could also see that for Dune Part 2 or A Complete Unknown.
01:28:52
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Oh my god, it's Dune Part 2.
01:28:56
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It's entirely possible that Nickel Boys could do it.
01:28:59
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Or they fucking throw a wrench in the whole thing and the substance takes it home.
01:29:02
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That would be cool.
01:29:04
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I might shed a tear.
01:29:06
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I won't be as mad if Wicked wins as I would if Amelia Petters wins.
01:29:10
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Yeah.
01:29:11
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If Wicked wins, I'm just going to laugh.
01:29:13
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Yeah, I think Amelia Petters is a legit possibility, though.
01:29:17
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At that point, you just got to be dancing through life.
01:29:19
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You know what I mean?
01:29:20
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Dancing through life.
01:29:22
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The one thing I will say is that Netflix still can't get it done.
01:29:28
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So like they might just keep it rolling.
01:29:32
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But it's like if they didn't hear, here's how the Irishman can still win.
01:29:40
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Well, any final thoughts before we move on?
01:29:43
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I know Austin's got a heart out here soon, so I think I'm going to have him go first, but.
01:29:47
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yeah i i mean i think you were right like a lot of this is very kind of standard there was a couple things i was happy to see and surprises but overall i was like okay but it did like just having the nominations out there got me excited for the actual oscars and it just gave me like a more clear watching list knowing what i need to watch before the day so i like that i like having that
01:30:11
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to Austin's annual Oscar party, of which Austin and I will be hosting it, dressed in tuxedos.
01:30:18
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Amen.
01:30:19
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We'll do a whole routine.
01:30:21
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I'll be making the invitation this weekend.
01:30:23
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My mom usually prints out ballots and has us do a little fun thing at the house, so it'll be good.
01:30:29
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I love that.
01:30:29
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I might do that this year.
01:30:30
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That's a good idea.
01:30:31
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We should do that, and we should give something away.
01:30:35
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Yeah.
01:30:36
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I'll pitch him like a bottle of whiskey or a nice bottle of wine.
01:30:38
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I'll, uh, I'll, I'll
Film Discussions and David Lynch Teaser
01:30:40
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re gift my, I'll re gift my Blu-ray of shark boy and lava girl that Zach gave me.
01:30:44
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Fuck you.
01:30:46
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No, I would never give that away.
01:30:48
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I Robert, great Texas filmmaker, Robert Rodriguez.
01:30:51
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I treasure his work.
01:30:52
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That's right.
01:30:53
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From the deuce time, baby.
01:30:57
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Uh, well, we want to exclude Lynch features from this list.
01:31:02
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Yeah, we'll get there.
01:31:03
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Yeah, we're going to do a whole episode.
01:31:04
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Yeah.
01:31:05
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Listener, just so you know, and we mentioned at the top of the bingo card episode, we will be doing an entire David Lynch in memoriam episode.
01:31:12
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And so that's a great shout, Zach, because I've been watching a lot of Lynch stuff and I had a clear high, but that's a good shout.
01:31:21
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Austin, I know you got a hard out, so why don't you go first?
01:31:23
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Yeah, that's great.
01:31:24
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Before I start, I just want to acknowledge Carrie Coon and Tracy Letts started a Letterboxd page for their nightly movie nights that they do.
01:31:33
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They just watched John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars.
01:31:36
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That movie sucks.
01:31:37
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I haven't seen that one yet.
01:31:38
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It's just hilarious that they did that.
01:31:41
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Okay.
01:31:42
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Honorable mention high.
01:31:44
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I watched John Frankenheimer's The Manchurian Candidate.
01:31:47
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Nice.
01:31:48
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Which is really good.
01:31:51
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I didn't know that was Frankenheimer.
01:31:53
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Yeah, Frank Sinatra is fucking phenomenal.
01:31:56
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Like, unbelievably good.
01:31:57
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Very, like, withdrawn, not showy performance.
01:32:02
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And just kind of makes hay when he needs to.
01:32:04
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My actual high is Tony Scott's Deja Vu.
01:32:08
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which is just batshit insanity and so much fun.
01:32:12
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And I think Denzel is incredible.
01:32:15
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And Paula Patton is fantastic.
01:32:17
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Like just, and just a parade of like that guys, like Adam Goldberg.
01:32:24
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And it's just, I had such a fun time watching Deja Vu.
01:32:28
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It's on the Criterion channel, funnily enough, till the end of the month.
01:32:31
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So check that out.
01:32:32
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My low, yeah,
01:32:35
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It's a movie that I didn't hate but was disappointing to me, which is Lee Wannell's Wolfman.
01:32:43
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I thought there were some good elements to it.
01:32:46
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It just did not live up at all to the promise of the Invisible Man, which I think is a phenomenal movie.
01:32:52
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That's why Eggers was like, hold my beer.
01:32:54
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Yeah, no, for real.
01:32:57
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I have to recreate 1870s England for a wolfman feature.
01:33:01
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I believe it's 13th century.
01:33:04
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Yeah, it's earlier than that.
01:33:07
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I hope it's good because if it's not, it's going to be insufferable.
01:33:11
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It's already kind of insufferable because Eggers went on record today or yesterday saying, I refuse to shoot anything where I have to photograph a car or a telephone.
01:33:23
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Oh, shut up, dude.
01:33:24
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Incredible.
01:33:27
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I'm excited for that movie.
01:33:28
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But yeah, Wolfman, I just like, I was so excited because I loved the casting.
01:33:33
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I love Julie Garner and Christopher Abbott.
01:33:35
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They're both really great actors.
01:33:36
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And I think they both give good performances.
01:33:38
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The movie is just a little lackluster and it takes some swings that I didn't think landed.
01:33:44
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So that's my low.
01:33:46
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I also want to mention, I watched Land of Bad on Netflix last night, which is a lot of fun.
01:33:54
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Jess from Gilmore Girls is serving some cunt in that movie.
01:33:57
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She's serving some C. Let's be real.
01:33:59
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And Russell Crowe just like doing his best to sit in a chair.
01:34:03
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He's sitting the hell out of it.
01:34:05
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I love chairs.
01:34:06
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Oh my God.
01:34:07
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He loves that chair.
01:34:08
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Shout out to all the chair.
01:34:10
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there's literally a moment where he says what happened to my chair it's so cool he knocks on the window next to him because the guy next and then room over stole his chair and he gives the middle finger and tells him to fuck himself um it's great it's also very weird because the hemsworth one of the other hemsworth brothers is in it luke along with liam but they're not playing brothers um it's he's just like a dude um and he dies early on so you know spoiler alert but good riddance um
01:34:38
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Yeah.
01:34:38
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So with that, I take my leave.
01:34:40
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I love you all.
01:34:42
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And I'll talk to you all soon.
01:34:44
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Thank you.
01:34:44
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Who do you want to hear from?
01:34:45
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Who do you want to hear from?
01:34:48
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Fuck, son of a bitch.
01:34:49
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Go ahead, Ned.
01:34:50
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Broke the rules.
01:34:52
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Sure, I'll go.
01:34:53
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Am I the only one here who gives a fuck about the rules?
01:34:58
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Evergreen.
01:35:00
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You know, I'm watching so much David Lynch stuff.
01:35:04
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Okay.
01:35:05
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It's been a while since we recorded, so we got some stuff to choose from.
01:35:09
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Oh, true.
01:35:11
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Okay.
01:35:12
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You know what?
01:35:13
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If we're just going to do it, I recently bought a 4K of 2001, a Space Odyssey.
01:35:19
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And that 4K transfer is excellent.
01:35:23
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That 4K transfer is excellent.
01:35:25
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It looks really beautiful.
01:35:27
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I mean, even watching on a 1080 TV, not even watching on my actual 4K TV, it still looks gorgeous.
01:35:34
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So I...
01:35:39
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Yeah, I could not recommend it highly enough.
01:35:42
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2001 to me... Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
01:35:46
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Finish your thought first.
01:35:47
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I was just going to say, 2001 to me is such an interesting movie because I think we've been told for so long that it's like...
01:35:57
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a masterpiece and a work of art.
01:35:59
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And you hear everyone reference it.
01:36:01
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And in high school, I had buddies who would, this is like when they were first getting into weed.
01:36:05
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And so they would go like smoke a J and then put on dark side of the moon and be like, bro.
01:36:11
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But like actually like Stone Cold Sober just laying in bed watching it.
01:36:14
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I was like, bro, like it.
01:36:17
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Yeah.
01:36:17
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Good.
01:36:18
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Five star masterpiece.
01:36:20
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I watched it when I was like 16 and I still thought it was amazing.
01:36:22
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So like that's that's how you know what a movie can get what a movie like that can get through a 16 year old.
01:36:28
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Well, because it is simple at its core, and it just has staggering visuals that no one had seen before then.
01:36:37
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And still 9000.
01:36:38
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We love her, folks.
01:36:39
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Misunderstood.
01:36:40
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What I was going to say, because you...
01:36:45
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Just as far as restorations go, sometimes I get skeptical of director-supervised restorations, especially with these aging fogies, a la James Cameron, famously.
01:36:55
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Yeah, Jim Cameron.
01:36:56
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And David Fincher.
01:36:57
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Yeah.
01:36:58
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Dude, removing the dust from the glasses looked fucking weird.
01:37:01
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I don't know.
01:37:02
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I saw a bunch of people analyzing that this week.
01:37:04
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But I almost picked up the Coppola-supervised Godfather trilogy,
01:37:11
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But then I didn't because I was like, I don't know if this is Doc Shitter, if there's a better version.
01:37:15
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Do y'all know anything about that?
01:37:17
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I don't at all.
01:37:19
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I also one thing.
01:37:20
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I also didn't know the distinction because there's literally two trilogy cases next to each other.
01:37:25
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And one said the Coppola official supervised version.
01:37:28
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One was just like the Warner Brothers version.
01:37:33
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interesting I wonder if the Coppola supervised one has that that like super cut that he made because he like like the the Culpa or whatever where he like he like recut part of Godfather part three and then the whole thing I wonder I don't know yeah I don't know um my my honorable mention low is Wolfman from Lee Whannell Lee Whannell whatever his last name is
01:38:00
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I think Austin said it best.
01:38:02
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I was underwhelmed.
01:38:03
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But there were still some parts that I liked.
01:38:06
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Were you somewhat whelmed?
01:38:08
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I would say I was on the way to being whelmed.
01:38:13
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Okay.
01:38:15
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So dumb.
01:38:16
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And my actual low is the inauguration of Donald John Trump.
01:38:21
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Oh, yeah.
01:38:22
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Well, fuck yeah.
01:38:24
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It's really dark out there.
01:38:25
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And let me say, yet again, we say it often on this podcast,
Political Issues and Film Reviews
01:38:30
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PGW believes in trans rights, believes in gay rights, believes in securing the rights of all citizens in this country, and people who aren't even citizens of this country, who want to become citizens of this country.
01:38:41
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Yeah, fuck it.
01:38:41
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Who cares?
01:38:42
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Yeah, dude.
01:38:42
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All rights forever.
01:38:43
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You deserve a place to live, a place to eat, a place where you can feel safe and comfortable, where you can get an education if you want it.
01:38:51
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And if you don't want it, that's fine, too.
01:38:53
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You can still earn a livable wage.
01:38:56
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It's just crazy that you have to clarify that.
01:38:59
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Case in point, the sermon by the Episcopalian bishop this week, that was nothing but a plea for mercy for the marginalized.
01:39:07
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It's like, dude, read the fucking Statue of Liberty.
01:39:11
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Yeah.
01:39:12
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Read the Bible.
01:39:13
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Yeah.
01:39:14
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Well, just even without the Bible, we have a monument in America to the idea that we want immigrants.
01:39:24
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Yes.
01:39:24
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There's an awesome political cartoon this week with the Statue of Liberty knocking on the back window of Trudeau's desk saying, hey, one of his aides is like, sir, we have an unusual request for asylum.
01:39:36
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Yeah.
01:39:38
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Yeah, it's really tough, and I know this is not a political show, but I just...
01:39:45
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Those lines are disappearing.
01:39:48
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Those lines are disappearing and it's really dark out there for a lot of people in this country.
01:39:53
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And I think that we can all say that because we get to benefit a lot from being straight white guys who live in the southern United States.
01:40:00
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But I think that means that we have to be the guys who say things like, hey, this is fucked.
01:40:05
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The responsibility is on us now to use the privilege to do good instead of just benefit from it.
01:40:12
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Insulation is about to become our country's greatest tragedy.
01:40:18
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Yeah.
01:40:18
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In a lot of ways.
01:40:19
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Just people not affected, not being moved.
01:40:22
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Yeah.
01:40:23
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Okay.
01:40:24
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Joe, you want to talk about anything happier or sillier?
01:40:28
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Yeah.
01:40:29
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I can do that.
01:40:30
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Sorry.
01:40:32
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My high this week is Christopher Guest's Best in Show.
01:40:38
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Let's go.
01:40:40
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It's the funniest movie of all time.
01:40:43
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I truly I don't think that there's a funnier movie every time I think about it there's a like there's a line where Parker Posey is talking about like like her dog actually watching her and her husband having sex and she says and we had just bought a book the Kama Sutra
01:41:01
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And I was in a sexual position that was very hard for me emotionally.
01:41:07
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And I think that that is one of the funniest line deliveries of all time.
01:41:13
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I've never seen this flick.
01:41:15
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Oh, it's so good, dude.
01:41:16
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Come on, dude.
01:41:16
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Yeah, watch it as soon as you possibly can watch this movie.
01:41:19
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I'm thankful I grew up in a Christopher Guest household.
01:41:22
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There is a scene in this movie where Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara are talking.
01:41:26
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They're like at the dog show.
01:41:28
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They have their dog, Winky, and they're talking to the camera about the dog.
01:41:33
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And Catherine O'Hara is like, isn't he just the cutest?
01:41:35
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Like, how could you not vote for this little face?
01:41:37
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How could you not?
01:41:38
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Like, it's just like a normal scene.
01:41:40
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But the thing that's funny that I never noticed until this watch is that Eugene Levy breathes in like he's about to say something like three times.
01:41:48
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And Catherine O'Hara just keeps talking over him and he just like contentedly like smiles and laughs.
01:41:55
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Like he's like he wants to say something so bad, but it's not.
01:41:58
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Oh, my God.
01:41:59
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Have you seen the documentary Chicken People?
01:42:02
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No.
01:42:03
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It's 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.
01:42:06
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It is on Tubi currently.
01:42:08
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It is a documentary, not a mockumentary about chicken shows.
01:42:13
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Okay, well, you sold me.
01:42:14
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Yeah.
01:42:15
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So I'm getting high on watching that.
01:42:18
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Cool.
01:42:20
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My honorable mention high of the week is the TV show on Tubi, Babylon 5.
01:42:28
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Oh, for great things.
01:42:30
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It's basically a Star Trek ripoff, but instead of it being about like...
01:42:37
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boldly going where no man has gone before and exploring like all these new planets.
01:42:41
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It's like Babylon five is like this, uh, like this space station.
01:42:47
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That's like the, um, you know, like the, the, what's the one that the main one called the international space station, I guess.
01:42:55
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So it's, yeah.
01:42:56
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So it's basically that, but for, um, like every known alien species has a rep as like a government representative that lives on this, uh,
01:43:06
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one ship in the middle of space.
01:43:09
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And it's basically every episode they solve like a crazy geopolitical dispute between alien people groups.
01:43:17
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And it's just, it's like, it's so goofy looking, but the subject matter is super serious and it just creates this very interesting, like, I can't look away.
01:43:28
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And it's like, it manages to have the goofy campiness of an 80s TV show without being like annoying like Doctor Who.
01:43:37
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And by the way, I will forever hold a grudge against Dr. Hill because I watched it for an ex-girlfriend who... And my low this week is watching Elon Fat Hitler Musk do a Nazi salute on Sige.
01:43:57
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And I want to say this.
01:44:00
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If he actually is a Nazi, whatever, if he's just trolling, whatever...
01:44:05
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to be dumb enough, like, like he's so monumentally stupid that it's almost pathetic to watch him do that on stage.
01:44:15
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Cause it's like, dude, you can't do that.
01:44:20
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Like, like what, like, I mean, truly like, it makes me think that we should, you should have to take an IQ test before you're in charge of people.
01:44:31
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He'd probably do pretty well on that.
01:44:33
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Unfortunately.
01:44:35
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Yeah, but I think... He'd have someone do it for him, like Diablo 4 or Elden Ring.
01:44:39
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Yeah.
01:44:39
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Or a citizenship test.
01:44:41
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No, here's the thing is I don't actually think he's smart at all.
01:44:45
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Like, I don't think any of the scientific achievements he's made have been him.
01:44:49
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No, no, no, no.
01:44:49
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You know what I mean?
01:44:50
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He's gripped a lot of people.
01:44:52
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He's just a fucking stupid bitch, and I hope he falls and hits his head really hard.
01:44:57
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Yeah.
01:44:59
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Yeah.
01:44:59
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And you should leave notes on Tesla drivers windshields that say mean things.
01:45:04
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Yeah.
01:45:04
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Like doofus shithead dummy.
01:45:06
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You should poop on their car sucks.
01:45:08
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You should poop on their car.
01:45:10
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P.G.W.
01:45:11
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The our official sticker.
01:45:13
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You should poop on a Tesla.
01:45:15
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Richard Kelly represented Tesla drivers better than anyone we've ever seen with Southland Tales.
01:45:20
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Yeah.
01:45:21
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They just want to watch their cars.
01:45:22
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Fuck.
01:45:23
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Yeah.
01:45:23
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Genuinely.
01:45:25
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I think the first piece of merch needs to be a sticker that says, you should poop on a Tesla.
01:45:30
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Yeah.
01:45:31
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And it's Paddington going, oopsie.
01:45:33
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I've been to order those bucket hats.
01:45:38
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All right, Zach, bring us home, brother.
01:45:39
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All right.
01:45:40
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My low of the week's easy.
01:45:42
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It's a bad boys ride or die.
01:45:43
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Yeah.
01:45:44
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It was so bad, dude.
01:45:45
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It was so bad.
01:45:46
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But what about that cool gun scene?
01:45:49
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That scene's cool.
01:45:50
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That scene is cool.
01:45:51
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Okay.
01:45:52
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For sure.
01:45:52
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Yeah.
01:45:53
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But it does not make up for the rest of that movie.
01:45:55
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How was seeing that shot of Martin Lawrence looking at the hot dogs?
01:46:02
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Was that pretty legendary?
01:46:03
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Did that make the movie worth it?
01:46:05
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Was it legendary the 68th time I saw it?
01:46:08
Speaker
Because it's in every trailer of every movie of 2024?
01:46:11
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No.
01:46:11
Speaker
I think we should cut in Martin Lawrence looking at a hot dog into every movie.
01:46:18
Speaker
Yeah, just once.
01:46:20
Speaker
You're watching like Santantago and then there's like Martin Lawrence looking at a hot dog in the middle of it.
01:46:26
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Alright, I got two.
01:46:29
Speaker
Wait, I missed that.
01:46:30
Speaker
What did you do?
01:46:36
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It's me.
01:46:36
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I'm the hot dog.
01:46:37
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Yeah, for those listening to the podcast, I just got really close to my wide angle lens.
01:46:42
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B.O.V., you're a hot dog and Martin Lawrence is near.
01:46:48
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All right.
01:46:49
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I've got two honorable mentions.
01:46:52
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One is we're all going to the world's fair.
01:46:53
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Yeah, man.
01:46:54
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Yeah,
01:46:57
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It's so unsettling.
01:46:59
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And yeah, it's a this is a idea or phrase that gets tossed around so often.
01:47:07
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But it really is a movie that you like you don't throw something on afterwards.
01:47:12
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You kind of have to sit with it for a while and really absorb it.
01:47:15
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Red and I had a whole hour and a half drive home to absorb it.
01:47:19
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And it genuinely helped.
01:47:21
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I wish I had that with this movie in a lot of ways.
01:47:24
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The other honorable mention, which I should have said first because it shouldn't even be spoken in the same sentence as quality of we're all going to the world's fair.
01:47:31
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But as an individual that grew up in a southern evangelical church and witnessed real people like this often, the Jared Hess flick Don Verdeen was surprisingly funny to me.
01:47:46
Speaker
Hell yeah.
01:47:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:47:48
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I had a great time and I looked at all the comments and they're like, none of this is funny.
01:47:51
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None of this plays.
01:47:52
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And it kind of confirmed that this is like fully baked in for someone who grew up having Messianic Jews come deliver archaeological like
01:48:04
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speeches at your fucking Sunday service, man.
01:48:07
Speaker
Like it hits so many notes for me.
01:48:09
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I got to watch this flick thing.
01:48:10
Speaker
Cause that sounds like exactly the church I grew up in.
01:48:13
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Yeah, no, it was like reading my mail in a lot of ways.
01:48:17
Speaker
It's also probably my favorite Jermaine Clement role.
01:48:22
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Like I'll be honest.
01:48:23
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I don't usually like him.
01:48:25
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I like he, Oh wow.
01:48:27
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Oftentimes, I think he's just annoying.
01:48:29
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This role is fucking perfect.
01:48:32
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He plays an Israeli dude named Boaz.
01:48:37
Speaker
Cool.
01:48:39
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That's so good.
01:48:41
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My high of the week, excluding Lynch rewatches, was, and I want to drumroll from Joe on this.
01:48:50
Speaker
Damien Chazelle's Babylon.
01:48:52
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Yeah, baby.
01:48:53
Speaker
Fuck yeah, dude.
01:48:54
Speaker
What a fucking movie, dude.
01:48:55
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Great picture.
01:48:58
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I was, it's a long ass movie and I was like, eyes like unable to blink, like mouth opening concert.
01:49:07
Speaker
What the fuck?
01:49:08
Speaker
Wait, what?
01:49:09
Speaker
Dude, when Brad Pitt stumbles out of that tent drunk and like you think there's no way he's going to get up that hill, he finally gets there, gets in character and Flea is like, we are losing the light.
01:49:23
Speaker
It also begs the question, when is Diego Calvo going to get more roles?
01:49:28
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For real.
01:49:29
Speaker
Oh, man.
01:49:30
Speaker
He's great.
01:49:33
Speaker
That scene when he does coke with Margot Robbie in the beginning is like, come on.
01:49:37
Speaker
He's so good in this movie.
01:49:38
Speaker
And the whole time I was like, who is this guy?
01:49:40
Speaker
Where is he?
01:49:42
Speaker
Put him in movies.
01:49:43
Speaker
We got to get Damien Chazelle back out of director jail.
01:49:46
Speaker
And then we got to get that guy into everything.
01:49:49
Speaker
He's out.
01:49:49
Speaker
Holy shit.
01:49:50
Speaker
He's working on something.
01:49:51
Speaker
He's got Killing Castro.
01:49:53
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He's playing Ernesto Guevara.
01:49:58
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Al Pacino's in this flick.
01:49:59
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Logan Marshall Green.
01:50:00
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Titus Welliver.
01:50:01
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Ron Livingston.
01:50:02
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Okay.
01:50:04
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Holy shit.
01:50:04
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Diego Calva.
01:50:07
Speaker
What the fuck?
01:50:08
Speaker
He's working with Big Al?
01:50:13
Speaker
And the show called Prison Cell 211 that he looks like he's the star of.
01:50:19
Speaker
Okay.
01:50:20
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I like it.
01:50:22
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He's been doing stuff.
01:50:23
Speaker
He's got a great movie face, dude.
01:50:25
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Yeah.
01:50:27
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That whole scene at the end with him in the theater was like, yeah.
01:50:31
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If you didn't like the end of Babylon, I don't fucking understand what movie you watched.
01:50:36
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Yeah, dude, when he's just like watching the movie and then it just like cuts to that, like the score kicks back in.
01:50:44
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You're just like, oh my God, look at how much we've done.
01:50:47
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I do understand to an extent, but disagree with someone that just like didn't click with Babylon in its entirety.
01:50:54
Speaker
But to like watch that entire movie and like it until the last 20 minutes is odd.
01:51:01
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It's so fucking weird to me.
01:51:03
Speaker
Bad take.
01:51:04
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It's just like, this is what I think about Babylon.
01:51:08
Speaker
It's a movie, it's an angry ass movie.
01:51:12
Speaker
It's like a punk rock in your face movie that's like fucking, it's like fuck Hollywood.
01:51:16
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Yeah, dude, Tobey Maguire made that fucking abundantly clear.
01:51:19
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Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it's a movie that obviously hates Hollywood, but at the end of the day, Damien Chazelle, he's like, I fucking hate Hollywood.
01:51:27
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They're fucking screwing me over.
01:51:29
Speaker
But also, god damn, I love movies.
01:51:32
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Yeah.
01:51:32
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Like that's, that's the feeling you get at the end.
01:51:34
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Yeah.
01:51:35
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And I think that's beautiful that you can like, you can, you can have such an angry movie that at the end you're still like, I mean, fuck it, man.
01:51:43
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I'm going to keep making them.
01:51:44
Speaker
What else am I going to do?
01:51:45
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I love them so much.
01:51:46
Speaker
It's the least corny representation of a single tear I've ever seen in a movie.
01:51:51
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Yeah.
01:51:52
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That's right.
01:51:52
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That's the correct choice.
01:51:53
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When also it's like such a cool callback to the single tier from the beginning with Margot Robbie, where that, when the director is like, Hey, can you, um, this is a crazy ask.
01:52:03
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Can you actually do the tier from the other eye?
01:52:05
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And she's like, yeah, for sure.
01:52:09
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Great flick.
01:52:10
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Well, good shit.
01:52:12
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Listener.
01:52:12
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Thank you for coming along with us on this ride.
01:52:16
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PGW, we've got some really fun shit rocking here in the next couple weeks, and we'll keep it rolling all year long.
01:52:23
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We're coming up on a year, coming up on 52 episodes of this show, and it has been a pleasure to do it.
01:52:29
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Boys, it's been a pleasure to do this podcast with you.
01:52:31
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I love you.
01:52:32
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Love you, bud.
01:52:34
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Thanks for listening.
01:52:36
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We love Austin, too.
01:52:37
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Bye.