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Transcript
Introduction of Katie Howland
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Welcome back everybody to another video. I'm your host Vinny Adams and joining me today for the first time is my co-host. So please welcome Katie Howland. Katie, how are you? Amazing. It's so good to finally be in the co-host seat. I'm so happy to be here and so grateful for the invite. It's going to be fun.
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It is, it's already, we've already got many plans underway and I think in the coming months it's going to be a nice pleasant change around here. We're really going to step it up. So I can't wait. And I'm just so glad that we are starting off right now. So thank you. Let's do it. Excellent.
Christopher Sharp Interview Begins
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Just for anybody watching, this is a prerecorded interview. So any questions you put in the chat will not be answered.
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Thank you anyway, but let's not waste any more time. Please welcome our guest, Mr. Christopher Sharp. Chris, good to see you again.
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I'm doing well, thank you. It's an honor to be on with you guys, especially for Katie's first show. I'm so excited. I've admired you ever since you've kind of like come to prominence in the community. And yeah, this is just a true honor to be here for your show. And you know, I respect you both so much. So thank you for having me on. Oh, thank you. I'll make sure to slip you a 10 after this for all the nice words.
Jay Stratton's Emergence and Significance
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Well, Chris, listen, you've become quite the regular here now and you've been really breaking some amazing stories. So I thought it was just only natural to get you on to talk about Jay Stratton coming out of the shadows because the more we sort of learn about this guy, it not only shows that he was an important role and an important figure.
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in the subject but it also helps other people such as Lou Elizondo solidify what they've been saying and the positions they held and things like that and so it'd be great if we can just discuss all of that. I think one thing is as well is since you were last on the channel I think you've released three articles pretty much based around the work of George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell so are you able to tell us about have you got like a working relationship with them now?
Working with Knapp and Corbell
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That's correct, yes, so Jeremy, George and I work very, very close together on these stories to make sure they come out properly and that there's no BS attached, that nothing's embellished, we just report the story straight.
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So that's what we aim to do. So obviously, you know, you've got the weaponized podcast, which is long form, and what I do is I kind of come along and I get a story from that, take away all the key parts. If I can, I try to get a bit more information on them to find other angles and say that we need to focus a bit more on this. We can get more information. And we have a fantastic working relationship. And I've got so much respect for both
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I mean, kind of like seeing how the inner workings of how they work on a story, you get so much respect for how careful they are, and they're obsessive about the truth as well. They're obsessive about the truth, making sure they're getting everything accurate. The small details really, really count. The context counts.
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you
Protecting Sources and Accuracy
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And I think most of all, I can really respect as well that they protect these people who are coming forward. So they're very, very protective of them because
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know, Jeremy and George and
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you know, the likes of, you know, Jay and John Gutierrez kind of coming out for the first time in public. That's a really, really big deal, especially for them. And you know what the UFO community can be like as well. So no, it's a great relationship that we have. And I'm hopeful that we can break some more fantastic material together.
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Well, it's great that you can take all of the good nuggets that are coming out from weaponized and perhaps give it to a new audience. That's one of the benefits of having those close relationships, especially across the pond. So really happy that you're doing that and amplifies with the great content that's coming out.
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Thank you. Yeah. And the thing is what about an article is, you know, people can print it out, can send it on to each other and stuff like that. So, you know, people in the Pentagon wanted to share it or something like that. They can do that. And one would hope that is occurring because I think, you know, these things that Jeremy and Georgia are breaking are causing huge waves and all credit for them. You know, this is what happens if you're trusted.
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And as Jeremy says, the best way to be trusted is to be trustworthy. And the fact that they're getting all these exclusives they can break just shows how much integrity they both have. So yeah, I'm really enjoying the moment. I'm learning so much from them as well. So it's been a great experience. Yeah, that's amazing. Excuse me.
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I do have a little bit of a coffin of cold, so I may have to mute myself going forward. That's throwing me off, I can edit this out. I can just leave it in. So yeah, obviously I brought you on and asked you to come on because I wanted to speak about Jay Stratton. So we'll jump onto that one first, but I would like to touch upon the Gutierrez case with the 2019 drone swarm.
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but we'll go back and we'll play it in reverse so we'll start with Stratton and I guess my question is not just you Chris but Katie as well is what did you guys know about Jay Stratton before he came out this week?
Jay Stratton's Role in UAP Task Force
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I mean I knew very little only what whispers had come through the grapevine I was aware he was Axelrod was aware that he had been involved in a number of the programs but it was great to see him finally come forward for the first time you know I think we all knew
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alien con is coming up regardless of I know there's lots of mixed feelings about that appearance but I think it was great to see him in a more sober serious environment and yeah it was it was really interesting I was most interested by the timing why now so Chris I love to hear what you thought too
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Yeah, absolutely. So I was aware that he was the head of the UAPTF and that he got taken off just after it got passed into law in terms of that NDAA, which obviously put into law that that report had to be released on UAPTF, which is its own story and I don't have much details about that, unfortunately.
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And I knew as well that now he works for Radio Technologies. He's a specialist in terms of foreign weapons systems. Like he said in the interview, he knows how they fly. I mean, it's not just knowing like, oh, that's a MiG-21 or whatever.
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oh there are Russians flying now and this is how we know there are Russians flying now because we know how they fly. So that intrinsic detail which is so important and yeah and also especially it's kind of like reverse engineering so uh yeah he's uh he's a very very interesting person definitely.
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Yeah, and one of the things that that also struck me was when they were talking about visiting Radiance Technologies in the podcast and being able to peek in and hear about all of the people on staff who were, you know, very, very knowledgeable about reverse engineering.
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That made me think that they, you know, may not be working on those programs now, but maybe they're pre-positioning for some bids in the future. And I'm really curious, you know, over in the UK, do you think you'll see something similar? I think you'll see companies trying to swipe up talent in anticipation of more contracts coming through.
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Well, I suppose the big one here is BAE Systems, which is a really, really big one. So, yeah, yeah, I think that that might be the case, as we said before. I mean, though I'm not saying that, you know,
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This is something I know from knowledge or anything. It's just basically like we discussed last time, wasn't it? That China can be working on a reverse engineering program, have hundreds if not thousands of people working on it, be able to keep their mouth shut because it's an authoritarian regime. You've literally got a communist party officer spying on every 100 of the population. So that's how much you can keep secret in China.
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in America if it's all kind of spread out and compartmentalized with like you know two people working on a program and they're not allowed to call anyone for expertise advice they get stuck then that's a huge problem so um yeah yeah one would hope that if that was the case and if it was working like that you would
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be able to kind of really open this up to all the emerging companies out there with best talent. So yeah, that would be one hope of mine. And yeah, one could hope for like an apology
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moment where a new era of technology is discovered for the next decade if we open this stuff up which could make all of our lives infinite and infinite better basically than it is at the moment in terms of life expectancy, the energy crisis and
Implications of UAP Statements
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hopefully we can kind of like step forward as one humanity especially with the United Nations project in the moment in terms of project Titan which is huge as well. So yeah one would hope that this is a really good step in the
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the right direction yeah absolutely no i appreciate both your comments there what i'd like to do now if that's okay is um like we mentioned earlier you released this article in the liberation times with the highlights let's say of the jay stratton story so if we bring it up i'd just like to touch upon a few points we can kind of go through it and uh feel free either of you to just if you see anything or you think of a point that you want to talk about just just go for it um here it is
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I've enlarged it so it should be. There he is. There's the man of the hour.
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don't tell me if you spot any typos by the way i don't want to know i'm not the drug i'm not i'm not the police don't worry the grammar police and yeah no i think what was good as well as a lot of the you know he he came out in this uh on this podcast and they were switching between his interview and then back to Jeremy and George talking and then back to Jay so we didn't get like a full
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length let's say interview with and we got some sort of pointers but I think some of the statements that he made were quite interesting and you know they weren't like directly saying something but I think you can interpret them in certain ways which maybe some people might say sometimes can be a bad thing but you know we can still wait and see what else he comes with further down the line.
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But I did like this one here where it says, I kept an open mind, a skeptic mind, whatever you want to call it, looking for something that can answer this in all the means that I had to chase that. But there were definitely some times where we really couldn't close the loop and we realized that something needed to be done about it. I find that quite, I don't know what the word is, but what do you guys think?
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I mean, I was shocked when I read that. That's a pretty straightforward thing to say for a man of that experience. You know, I think we should pull up his LinkedIn later and show all the various titles he held. He knows what he's talking about. So for someone of that caliber, you know, he's senior executive service.
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It's a little controversial to say he's equivalent to a two-star, but that's the easiest way to describe it. Just don't say that to someone actually with two stars. And so this really stood out to me. And I think that should stand out to anyone, not just in the UFO community, but in the defense community as well. What do you think, Chris? Yeah, I think it's going to burst some balloons, let's say.
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Yeah, I think you have to go back to the UAPTF report because a lot of that came from a presentation that Stratton had prepared. So you look at some of the things on that. Like I mentioned last time, signature management. So that could be low visibility, instantaneous acceleration, as well as reported radar jamming, stuff like that.
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that was something really really big in that UAPGF report and if you've got someone like Stratton who can't
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kind of close that loop. That's a really big deal because, you know, this is someone who knows the foreign weapons systems. He knows how the Russians fight. He knows how the Chinese fight. So he's very, very well aware of what this stuff is. And I'd also mention as well, in terms of the first quotation, that's really, really key because, you know, like you said, Katie, looking at his record, this is a very senior person, the equivalent
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although he does like to downplay it but the equipment's like a two-star general, uh no, animal sorry, and um you know basically saying we're already 70 years behind the power curve for trust right because everybody says the government's lying to us and the whole blue book thing and the whole Roswell thing killed trust.
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I mean, he's not directly saying they're lying to us, but I mean, you can read between the lines there and take away from it. And I mean, this is coming from a really, really serious person. So I think this might be a clue of things to come as this stuff starts to unravel and things get made public in terms of what's happening in Congress right now.
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I also really appreciated the skeptic mention and reminded me of Mitch Horowitz, who always talks about the need to have a better cadre of skeptics and how we need to welcome skeptics who are doing it in good faith. And so that made me really happy to see that. And I hope that opens up more conversations that way.
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Absolutely, yeah, completely agree. I think what was interesting as well, obviously, you know, he works with all SAP, ATIP and the UAPTF and that says volumes to me. If he's continuously moving and changing roles, but continually going back to the UFO subject, why would you do that if there was nothing to it? Or why would you want to come out and talk about it now if you've been through the ringer for over a decade and it's like,
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I don't want to talk about something that there's nothing to it. I mean, that's just me interpreting it. And again, I'd happily be wrong if I'm interpreting it incorrectly. But that just spoke to me, if you know what I mean.
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Yeah absolutely and he's like the only guy who's been involved with all the modern day UFO programs so that's a really big thing and you know like he was saying you know he was after being involved with all staff native he was ready like to walk away from it he wasn't expecting anything else to do with the topic again and that was until Lou came out and the New York Times article came out and then
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Exactly, and he just went to the ONI, Office of Naval Intelligence, and his boss was like, Congress started taking interest, and senior people started taking interest in this. So he was in the perfect place at the perfect time, really. So it seemed very, very, like serendipity evolved, you know, in this, it felt like it was meant to be.
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Speaking of meant to be, Chris, I do want to ask you whether you have insight or speculation as to the timing, though, because you're
Encouragement for Defense Community
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right. He's worked in these roles for over a decade now, you know, and it's not exactly a thankless thing to come into the spotlight. And so I'm really curious if you have any ideas or suspect why now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's a good reason why now, because I mean,
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By appearing publicly, he's emboldening others to come forward, other serious people to come forward. So that is a really, really big deal. And I think people
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I would speculate that people were starting to come forward or considering to come forward now that Jay's come forward. I think, oh gosh, this is a really big moment. Okay, that if Jay's come forward, I'm gonna come forward as well. So I think this is a really, really big signal of intent for the topic in general from him going out. It's a really, really big, significant symbolic moment, let's say. So yeah, you've picked a really, really good point there in German.
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I like to think that we're having behind the scenes, you know, I'm always hearing things and I think that things are going very, very well right now behind the scenes, especially in Washington. I like to think that we've almost got there in terms of winning the war, let's say, and then
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you know we've got further reinforcements coming now with Jay Stratton like you said Vinny earlier you know Lou's been out there for a long time so it's Chris and now you've got Jay coming to join the party as well and I think that yeah and I'm hoping that further people come forward as well. Yeah absolutely and I mentioned it a minute ago about how it shines Lou in it in a good light as well because
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all the things that he'd been saying are almost being validated again. But what also shines Lew in a good light is the fact that you've got Stratton with an exceptional career history coming into ATIP, but only being second place or second man to Lew. So that shows how highly respected and trustworthy Lew was to people within the Pentagon and that. So it's only doing good things. And you mentioned Jay coming forward is going to help
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other people come forward. And again, seeing someone of that high caliber will, you know, hopefully show people that if he can do it at that level, then I'm going to do it and things like that. And we mentioned earlier and I'll stop waffling in a second that we were going to show the LinkedIn. So I've got that ready because it is incredible. And you can see some aerospace jobs there at the bottom. But what I wanted to start up was the, the DIA role, which he was in. I mean,
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It's just impressive. I mean, do you want to talk us through that a little bit, Katie? And I'll move up when you've gone past it because you probably have had more experience or knowledge when it comes to departments and agencies.
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Yeah, I mean, I think what's really interesting, what first stood out to me is that he is the person that brought the Skinwalker Ranch book to Iraq, which kind of started, if you're familiar with how Ossopp came to be, and people came to advocate for it. It was basically that they were all sitting in the green zone, passing this book around the one pool that everyone gathered at. So it was pretty cool to find out that that was kind of the genesis of all of these programs. It came from Jay, pulling a book in his backpack on deployment.
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um but yeah it's interesting to see so the defense intelligence agency um you know is very highly respected obviously is you can think of it as like the entire pentagons intelligence branch um but what's really interesting that i saw is like the um how he kind of would go in between
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branch specific jobs, you know, like he was, he said he was a reservist, I think in the Navy, if I remember correctly. But then he would work for, you know, organizations that actually go up to the intelligence branch, the ODNI, instead of actually to the services. So it gave him a lot more independence to investigate things, not directly within the line of command in the same way. So that's what really stood out to me here. You also see obviously the Department of
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state that's not uncommon. You'll see six months. It was probably a rotation that he took while being in the intelligence community that's very or the intelligence community that's very common.
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In fact, the arrow openings that we've seen are those types of joint temporary rotations. They're not permanent positions. So it looks like he was a part of similar programs like that and got to go to Baghdad, to the Department of State. So he really touched a lot of things. Yeah, absolutely.
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And I see it here as we come up. We've got this flight commander here, seven month roll. Afghanistan, Camp Leatherneck again, yeah. But then he moves in here into chief space technology issues for under the Office of the Secretary of Defense. And it seems more of a more permanent role. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like it.
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It's hard to tell for me. It's hard. I very, very briefly worked for DOD. And so it's hard as a contractor. So it's hard for me to tell sometimes whether some of these are civilian roles or whatnot. I think possibly though the OSD role is probably civilian role. Yeah. Yeah. Cause then you see the director of air warfare and spear, which would have been civilian. Yeah. So I mean, there we go. Keep going up. We could say how to go through each one. It's unbelievable. Isn't it?
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Yeah, and when you get up to the top here and you see senior level executive, it doesn't sound crazy, but that's a very, very rare and highly respected level in the civil service. So once you get past GS 15, which is like the highest pay grade level you can have within that system, you become a senior executive service member.
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And that's where you get into some of the star equivalencies. So that is really what gives him, I think, the authority to go across to a lot of folks in our agency, in our department, and get the information he needs. Yeah. I love it that you're here to lay this out for us, because I would have no idea. So I really appreciate it. This much knowledge. This much. I'm going to have my Pentagon friends messaging me going, no, no, you got that wrong.
00:23:16
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And then obviously we see at the top his current position at Radiance Technologies as Senior Portfolio Advisor Maritime. Sorry, series shouting at me. So yeah, I thought that was just interesting to bring up, but let's jump back to the article again. If you see anything that I'm scrolling past, please let me know.
00:23:40
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Yeah, that line there. Jay Stratton was seen as the best person to work on the topic by ONI due to his previous experience with other UAP programs and his background in identifying the capabilities of other nations' military systems and validating potential threats. Now, when people put him forward for these positions to bring him back into a UAP program, is this offering him a job or is this telling him you're going to do this? Like, what level of choice does he have? And is it, you know, that's what I'm interested in.
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Speaker
Yeah, I mean, in terms of that, I think just from interpreting it myself, I think it was just kind of like, you'd be great this role, Jay, and we know that you're interested in it. It's kind of like, I think,
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they may have anticipated that he would be interested in the role and it would be something that he would he would take so I think it was kind of like a judge a nudge in the right direction basically saying you know I think I think you know you're needed for this and obviously with Congress and other senior people with the government breathing down their neck saying that we want some answers after this 2017 story comes out
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Then, yeah, that does make sense. And then after that, what happens is that you have an entity which he starts, which later becomes the UAP task force. I mean, I think it was the UAP task force in name, and then it got formalized when Esper, I think it was Esper, wasn't it? In 2020, he was the Deputy Secretary of Defense in August when he basically formalizes the UAP task force.
00:25:19
Speaker
However, if you look within the intelligence authorization act, which I think was drafted in June or July, you know, it references, you know, something like, you know, the continued, you know, we support the good work of the UAP task force. So it speculates even before
00:25:35
Speaker
that mandate was being drafted asking for something to be drafted in terms of report by the UAP task force that something already did exist within the Navy. So that's quite important as well because that starts in 2018, the report from the UAPTF came out in 2021. So this had been going for three years already before the report came out.
00:26:01
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Yeah. And Chris, can you clarify for people who might not be, you know, as tuned into this, the drama or controversy surrounding Stratton getting removed from the UAPTF right before the report was to be due and what happened there? Yeah, I mean, I don't really have too much information on that. I mean, I think Stratton
00:26:28
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I just remember him from the interview. I think he seemed to play that down to some extent. However, saying that, I mean, I think others would speculate, let's say that there was a bit more behind it and it really did handicap them from the beginning because all of a sudden, you know, this national defense authorization act gets signed after I think Trump tried to veto it, didn't he? And then he was overruled by the Senate and the House.
00:26:53
Speaker
like no it's going through and so all of a sudden in the new year they find themselves oh gosh we've got like six months or so to draft this huge report which is you know which has got to be sent to um congress and then all of a sudden after that it's kind of like they lose they lose the main guy the director in charge
00:27:13
Speaker
and that that was a huge huge blow to them and remember the other people I think it was like two or three other people that may have been at the UAPTF at the time they all had other jobs they all had full-time jobs that they were doing as well so it's just kind of like you know despite the urgency of this as we've now discovered with the Chinese operations and look
00:27:33
Speaker
studying UAP also means finding other platforms as well which were a vital national security address and just seems to me bizarre that you know you would dedicate full-time staff to this but anyhow it was their commitment these other guys took took it on when after Stratton was moved these guys are heroes these guys are working overtime working their asses off because they believed in transparency they believed in the cause
00:28:02
Speaker
And they wanted to make Stratton proud as well by saying, we've got this over the line for you. Because by all means, this guy was loved by the people that he worked with and he was so well respected. And hats off to those guys. And what they managed to do is they managed to use a big presentation that Stratton had created. Remember, he was saying that presentation was very, very important. How you presented these to senior officials and committee was very, very important.
00:28:29
Speaker
So he had created something very, very impressive in terms of what he was showing all these key people in Washington. And it was that basis of this kind of like presentation that he had created that helped the task force, you know, get this report to Congress on time and create something substantially better than what we got last month.
Pentagon Politics and UAP Task Force
00:28:55
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely.
00:28:56
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I think one thing as well, he's obviously loved because, you know, he's here giving classified briefings to key audiences. Now, is that nice? The committees, would that be? Yeah.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah and it's saying it's you know it's probably the primary reason why Arrow was created which is great but that throws up the question if this is at the time when AIMSOG or A-O-I-M-S-G was still happening why go to someone outside of who's now left the role and not use someone who's currently in the role you know with AIMSOG? Well this is a thing about AIMSOG so
00:29:33
Speaker
There's some complexity around this and you may want to correct me Katie in case you'll get anything wrong here. But what happened was the UAP taskforce after a report came out, it wasn't all of a sudden taken apart. It no longer exists. What happened was that the DOD and the ODNI
00:29:56
Speaker
created before Thanksgiving AOIMSG to follow up on the memo that came from Kathleen Hicks following the UAPTF report saying that something more permanent was needed to tackle range vowels and things like that. So AOIMSG was created by DOD and ODNI.
00:30:20
Speaker
It wasn't created as an act of law. It wasn't created as an act of legislation. The legislation for the National Preventive Authorization Act just created an office called The Office. And it was after that that, because I found it surprising that I was like, okay, cool. What's the office going to be called? What are we going to do with this new office? And Susan God basically said to me, oh, the new office is AOIMSG. It's like, okay.
00:30:48
Speaker
So the new office was the old office in a way. So it was always a different entity from the UAPTF. So UAPTF never transitioned to AIMSG. Hopefully that answers the question. And then what's happened with this new legislation that's been passed, now they formally basically said that the office is Arrow. Sorry.
00:31:13
Speaker
So that's what's happened. But obviously you've got another person coming into the role as well in terms of Kirkpatrick. So you've got people kind of like, speculation on my part, by the way, perhaps people like saying, well, we don't know this guy, you know, if it was Stratton taking over would be there in a heartbeat, but we don't know Kirkpatrick or feeling it out, you know, so it may be a bit of that as well.
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah, I suspect it's probably some internal politics, you know, just like you said, because we have to also remember that AYMSG was created, I can speculate, not as a fully
00:31:48
Speaker
gung-ho response by the Pentagon. But actually, I was in an attempt to create a watered down version of what Gillibrand and Rubio at the time were proposing in legislation. And I think the hope was that if they jumped ahead and said, oh, look, it's OK. We're already creating an office that Rubio and Gillibrand were kind of back down. And they didn't.
00:32:10
Speaker
because they didn't think that AOIMSG was going far enough. And, you know, because of Rubio and Gillibrand and others, we now have Arrow, which is fantastic. And so I suspect that there was a little bit of push pull in terms of personnel and who was in whose camp, you know, the Pentagon can be quite political in that way. And that was definitely what I took from it as well.
00:32:38
Speaker
Absolutely. And they're always calibrating, navigating their way through. So a bit of navigating they were doing this time was removing it from OUSD INS, which was a big move in terms of who they're reporting to. So that was a great move there. So I mean, yeah, so maybe there'll be more to come. We'll have to see. Yeah, fantastic. Now, I mean, this line here, which I believe is George Knapp saying it,
00:33:05
Speaker
which is just, I assume George and Jeremy have had a lot more than just that one sit down conversation with Stratton at, where was it? It was in Huntsville at the SCU conference, wasn't it? But to say that Stratton believes the public has a right to know what's going on rather than the obfuscation, stonewalling, misleading statements and strategic leaks to debunkers, all of which continue to muddy the waters. I mean, this is what we've been asking for.
00:33:29
Speaker
as a community is for somebody to come out who is not part of the old guard, the secret keepers.
00:33:39
Speaker
It's easy to get excited, and I'm trying to not be too excited. But I'm thinking there may be good things to come. So Chris, is that something we should expect? And to what level we should be? I don't want to get too excited. We know to hold back our expectations with these reports. Do we need to hold back our expectations a bit with regards to information that come from people like Strand?
00:34:05
Speaker
I think you can start to get a little bit more excited now, and not just because I think, you know, things are happening in Washington as well. Now remember, you know, Kirkpatrick is no longer reporting to a US DNS. So that's really, really big thing. So there's nothing stopping him now from
00:34:25
Speaker
having a bit more freedom to be honest about this topic and more transparent, whereas it wasn't before. So that's a really, really big thing. And in terms of, yeah, that's a really, really big deal. And I think as well, like,
00:34:42
Speaker
So one important thing to take into context is what he later says in terms of basically he's talking about the public affairs office in Pentagon in terms of like, why did you say that? And you can kind of like see this kind of like, I'm interpreting it is that you can see this kind of like mini battle going on between Stratton and what they're doing within the UAPTF and the background with ADIP and stuff.
00:35:11
Speaker
what's going on as well and what the public affairs office is saying and you know he was saying that communications is so key and it looked like he was being undermined to a certain extent from some of the statements coming out of the public affairs office which I found really quite interesting and you can see as well that um you know he mentioned Lou as well um
00:35:31
Speaker
and I think that's really important because obviously the public affairs office has said that he had that Lou had no assigned responsibilities to they did which is heartbreaking I mean this guy Lou he immense cost to him and his family he did the right thing and he quit his job you know he gave up his pension and and people came after him and now you've got his previous employers at the Pentagon basically saying oh no he wasn't
00:35:59
Speaker
you know he wasn't director of ATIP it's kind of like trying to erase what he did which is a really really horrible thing and they keep it up to this day like saying that he had no assigned responsibilities but okay so I asked Susan Gough for instance I said what about unassigned responsibilities because we know there you go
00:36:20
Speaker
We know that Gary Reid wasn't very happy with him being his supervisor, that he'd been kept from this. Obviously it wasn't ever a sign by a supervisor and I've never got a public statement about that, let's say. I've never got a public statement about that answering that question. They don't want to answer that.
00:36:39
Speaker
Well, and that's what's completely perpetuated. This is a lot of people aren't able to read between the lines with statements like that. A single word assigned responsibilities. We know for a fact that his supervisor did not assign these responsibilities, and so the Pentagon isn't lying.
00:36:55
Speaker
But they're saying what is convenient to their narrative. And so I'm so glad that you picked that out and that we have journalists like you that can really parse these words. Because unfortunately, with the level of obfuscation and political agendas, we have to do that. And that's not being paranoid or conspiratorial or anything. It's how DC works sometimes, unfortunately.
00:37:24
Speaker
Hats off to you for recognizing these things and for pushing. I hope Susan will someday respond to that comment. And if there's other journalists listening, I hope you'll ask them too. What about undersigned responsibilities?
00:37:37
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I would say I have a good relationship with Sue. You have to. And I respect the fact that she's given some really good answers before. She invited me to the Pentagon briefing with Kirkpatrick. And I accept as well, when you're doing this, you're getting sign up from people above you saying, it's OK if you say this. What's messaging? What else can you say? Can you elaborate on this? So she's kind of like getting it through some hurdles as well herself.
00:38:06
Speaker
But I would say that I was I was deeply disappointed that it took so long for them to also confirm that Lou worked for Space Force would be asking for months and other people have been asking for months. It took me I literally had to make a complaint.
00:38:23
Speaker
to get that information, it just seems that a whole public affairs office has been weaponized against one person and that can't be allowed. That's totally awful. It should be investigated I feel. It's retribution.
00:38:39
Speaker
It seems just like there's a lot of changes going on, not only with the departments and the other, you know, a tip to UAPTF, to AIMSOG, to ARRA, but, you know, Jay mentioned here that he himself had come across, you know, religious pushback within the ranks, you know, and that's something that you think, oh, it probably happened a decade, 20, 30, 40 years ago, but to hear him say that he's still, well, not now, but has encountered it
00:39:04
Speaker
in the not so distant past is quite something, you know, so I found that quite surprising. And in writing, I mean, I would like someone to get on the foyer for that one, use the word demon. I mean, that's what it sounds like. Jay said it said in writing. So like, let's let's find out who. Yeah, wave wave off is an important term. I'm sorry. Wave off when when they said you should wave off this topic.
00:39:31
Speaker
word, the phrase wave wave up is very very important in terms of military speakings. I'm sure it wouldn't be in the dictionary but it's kind of funny. Can we quote you on that?
00:39:48
Speaker
Yeah, you can look at, if you look at the terminology for, you know, of that, you can find it in there. You'll hear that sound though. Basically abort. So, you know, he's talking in military terms, that's his language. So sometimes what you have to do is you have to get context of how he's speaking in terms that he's using to understand the importance of it, because he's speaking in military lingo. A lot of the time, probably he doesn't even realise he's talking in normal conversation, but
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah, you can tell that he's a deeply humble guy, very, very respectful. He's not trying to cause too many waves and enemies and stuff like that within the DOD, which is fantastic. And he's going about it the right way in terms of what he's saying and his measured statements in that interview. And yeah, hats off to him. I really respect him and what he's done. And I'm hoping that this helps other people come forward as well.
00:40:45
Speaker
Yeah, do you think this is why he didn't come out, you know, in a more mainstream way, say a big article in one of the big newspapers, you know, the New York Times, Washington Post or anything like that. And, you know, he came out on a UFO podcast in a
00:40:59
Speaker
with a journalist that writes about UFOs, well, some people may say, well, why is he doing that? If he's really got something, why doesn't he come out on 60 Minutes or something like that? And is this going back to what you just said about he didn't want to make waves, but be like, boom, hey, Pentagon, DOD, look at what I'm doing? And is that possibly why? It's about trust. It's about trust and reporting the story properly, because this story,
00:41:28
Speaker
It's important that it gets seen by the right people, I think. That's very, very important. And I think at the moment, I would say that mainstream journalism and the big publications have a lot more resources than a father and a husband with another full-time job like myself have a lot more resources. And they're not asking the right questions. And I don't think they're going about the right way.
00:41:56
Speaker
Like I've said in a previous interview, and I've studied this as well, I did a dissertation on it. If you're a journalist and you're embedded in Israel and you're reporting on the conflict situation there, if you're embedded in Israel, all the sources that you're going to get access to are official Israeli sources,
00:42:15
Speaker
And if you're not actively looking for the other side, if you're not looking for the other sources within the Palestinian territories, which is going to be very difficult to do because they'll have limited access to it, you're just going to parrot what they say. So I get a feeling that a lot of journalists are just parrotting what the Pentagon says. They're not really reading between the lines or anything like that. I think it's so important to do that. And remember as well that
00:42:40
Speaker
you know, George Knapp is an incredible journalist. So is Jeremy Corbyn, they can be trusted. I mean, and I think their track record really speaks for itself. And, you know, when no other journalist wanted to touch this topic, because of the stigma and they're afraid to come out, it was George and Jeremy had the guts to report on this topic when everyone else was kind of like,
00:43:07
Speaker
It was kind of too scared to touch it. So I think, you know, being when you're dealing with people from the Pentagon and military people, these people deeply respectful, you know, and they respect.
00:43:20
Speaker
they respect trust and people with good values and ethics. So I think that relationship and being trustworthy in terms of Jeremy and George, that's really paid up for them, which is why they're getting all this exclusive coverage. They're not just going to General Van Hurk from NORAD, who's kind of like saying, oh, UFOs, it's nothing.
00:43:48
Speaker
they're not doing that and I think you know it's difficult in this environment to actually find someone trustworthy these days especially amongst journalists. You would expect better from the New York Times in terms of the reporting on this topic. I mean hats off to Josh from the Daily Mail, he's done a fantastic job. I think that
00:44:11
Speaker
the story that he did last year with the idea and I saw coming out that was one of my favorite stories and hats off to him so he's doing a good job but yeah like it's very very difficult and I would also mention as well that independent media is it's getting bigger now for a good reason I think and
00:44:29
Speaker
I'm hopeful that Liberation Times could be seen as one of those kind of up and coming independent media publications, which is kind of like
00:44:42
Speaker
not being rained in by editors and other interests and stuff like that. I just want to report it as best I can, you know. So yeah, that's how I go about it. I'm not saying I'm the greatest journalist in the world. I just I'm just trying my best just to report it as best I can and do justice for these people like Lou, who's just like almost lost everything from this. So it's passion. Absolutely. And it's appreciated. I'm sure you can see that that, you know, people in the community are
00:45:13
Speaker
They love seeing your work when a new article comes out and that, and we mentioned the Jay Stratton one, which I think we've pretty much covered now. Katie, is there anything else you want to say about Jay Stratton before we move on? No, I got all my points.
00:45:26
Speaker
Cool, that's cool. I think all we can do now is just wait and see what he does next. I believe he's obviously speaking, you mentioned that AlienCon in Pasadena in early March. And so that's one month away, pretty much. Yeah, but there's not going to be any recording of it, too. So that's a little disappointing. I'm hoping that we're going to see him at some more conferences this year, hopefully some more academic conferences, perhaps. Maybe he'll show up at, you know,
00:45:53
Speaker
Inquire anonymous or SCU or some of the other Higher brow conferences, let's call them But it'd be great. It'd be great to see him more in public where you know, we can have a Transcript and really parse out. What do you think?
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah, Chris, have you got any insight into that? You obviously have spoken with George and Jeremy. Have they said anything to you that you're able to tell us? I think there's much more to come from Jay Stratton. Obviously, there's a pre-recorded interview. So there'll be more elements of that to come, hopefully, in upcoming episodes of Weaponized.
00:46:31
Speaker
it was it was a very very big deal I mean when we go about these stories they're very very sensitive you know and I've got to make sure that before I watch the episode that George is okay with it because you know like he's trusted he deeply like him and Jeremy they
00:46:48
Speaker
deeply deeply care for their sources you know that things are done correct and that they can be trusted because it's very very important to them and this brings us back to what we were saying before about why these people do come forward through people like Jeremy and George because they're trustworthy and they prove themselves to be that
00:47:07
Speaker
Yeah, so on that note, let's talk about John Gutierrez, who came forward to continue this ever-evolving story surrounding the 2019 drone swarms. And I keep doing that when I say it, because I don't know how else to put it. And I think it's important, because people still are convinced that it's definitely drones, even though there isn't enough data and information in the public domain to form a conclusion.
00:47:31
Speaker
And people still think that Jeremy's saying it's aliens. And what Jeremy did, I think, in this week's episode of Weaponized was very clearly make a statement saying, I don't know what it is at all of this. And it was really, really good that he did that. But let's talk about John Gutierrez, Chris. What can you tell us that came out that was a bit newer for this case or this series of cases?
00:47:55
Speaker
Yes obviously he he he's spoken to some of the the witnesses involved and he's spoken about you know for instance um on one of the ships you know he was saying that the crew were following it when it was going from different sides of the ship you know um just following this object I'd say and um all of a sudden it stuns him it's just like
00:48:17
Speaker
go straight up into the sky, and it's not making a noise throughout. So that's really, really important. It didn't make a noise, and that's important. Although you've got all the noise when you're out at sea and stuff, you would still usually hear something. I mean, these people have just been out on deployment, and John's been out on deployment as well. They know what Chinese drones are. They know what the capabilities are. It's not like the first time that a drone's ever come up to them.
00:48:46
Speaker
That's really, really important for context there that he was providing. He was just basically backing up the witnesses and what Jeremy said before, basically, that there's a lot more to this. So I think that's kind of like what he was saying.
00:49:05
Speaker
John's a patriot, he's a proud American patriot and he cares about safety and I think he felt an urge to speak out in this and it's very, very important to say that he was speaking from his own personal perspective, he was not speaking on behalf of the Navy or the DOD, it was basically him just
00:49:24
Speaker
you know giving his own kind of like take on it. But he provided lots of interesting details and I think one of the most interesting things that he spoke about was the USS Kia Sarge, if I'm pronouncing that correct. So it's a huge ship basically and it's I think it was like bigger than the former aircraft carriers that we used to have in terms of HMS Invincible
00:49:45
Speaker
and it's kind of like a marine ship. I think they might hold Harrier jets as well. They hold helicopters and marines. It's a huge ship. He was speaking about an incident whereby he knows someone who was on board that ship on the bridge and they spotted a UAP, like a green object in the sky. And this was whilst they were out on deployment as well. I think it may have been the Arabian
00:50:13
Speaker
by Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that at the time. I'm not sure if we got confirmation on that. But it was out in deployment anyway. And this screen object gets closer and all of a sudden a bright light is beamed onto the ship illuminating the whole of this large ship. And it lasts for eight seconds, this green beam does. And this person, this lady is describing to John basically how she's covered her eyes.
00:50:40
Speaker
with her hands and it's so bright she can't even see on her hand that's how bright and illuminating this light was and you're talking about a situation as well where everyone's disorientated on the on the bridge and they're trying like whoa where am I and stuff like that
00:50:55
Speaker
huge, huge big deal. I mean, we're talking about a Chinese balloon over the United States, and journalists are obsessed by this, but we're not talking about any of the unusual flight characteristics of UAP, an instance like this. I mean, let's say the Chinese did have this technology, they basically stunned the whole of the bridge of a major US warship during the eight seconds, if it was China, they could do anything, they could take it down. And I mean,
00:51:19
Speaker
I just don't understand. Sorry, I'm going, I'm really passionate about this. I love it. I love it. And oh, there were like 167 blue light entities put into the UAP report, but they're not focusing on the unusual flight characteristics and the other unusual characteristics of these UAP.
00:51:40
Speaker
By all means, frame it that China might have this technology great, but that's by far the biggest thing and biggest potential threat if it is a foreign adversary. And people are just paying no attention to it. And it's really paying into the hands of the DOD because they want to answer these questions. They want to take you down this direction, you know.
00:51:58
Speaker
They don't want to talk about unusual flight characteristics. They don't want to talk about trans-median aspects. They don't want to talk about what's being seen in space or underwater. They don't want to talk about any of that because they can't explain it. So that's really important. Sorry, I digress.
00:52:18
Speaker
No, I think it's all great. And I love I mean, I think we all feel very similar to you. Right. And one of the questions I have is, do you think that these types of encounters are being discussed in the classified reports? Do you think these are being highlighted to members of Congress to be aware of? Or do you think they're being kind of shoved into the rug entirely?
00:52:41
Speaker
Yeah, yes, I think they are being presented. I mean, remember what Jay Stratton says, presentation is very, very important when you're doing these things. So it's going back the right way. And I think, although I am very, very passionate about the balloon incident, everyone's going on about this balloon and prosaic technology, I mean, balloons date back from the 18th century. However, however saying that,
00:53:02
Speaker
It's a very, very good way of presenting the UAP issue and if we do go down the route of the unusual flight characteristics of UAP from this, it's a very, very good way to get in there. So I feel that this could be a very, very important aspect if we are going to focus on
00:53:19
Speaker
our skies a lot more and that's in terms of my country as well as your country as well Katie about our country Vinny. I feel that you know you won't just see balloons that you'll have to explain because congress be on top of this now wanting to know everything that is in the skies of America and above the sensitive military assets
00:53:39
Speaker
They want to know if it's balloons. They want to know whatever it is. So let's say if you do see something extraordinary in technology, they're going to catch that now. And it's not just Congress that's going to be on with this. It's going to be the president as well, because it's going all the way up to Biden now.
2019 Drone Swarm Incidents
00:53:55
Speaker
Yeah, and just going back to the 2019 drone swarm case, I think it's even more strange now that we've had John Gutierrez come forward because he's pretty much helped in rule out the the bass straight part of the story. You know, the merchant ship, it really does not look like that was anything to do with it. You know, some of the times when these drones were for me, it was
00:54:15
Speaker
It was moored up in the docks or whatever. And then the big thing was that these objects were spotted coming from the West, from the open ocean, you know. So this is still very much a mysterious case. And for everyone that's saying, well, it's definitely drones, they may be right. And I think this is important, but we're not going to go. Sorry, I'll speak for myself. I'm not going to go there without the data. So I will continue to be a UAP because they're unidentified. And I think
00:54:43
Speaker
I'm purposefully making that point almost because I was inspired by Jeremy to say for anybody that thinks that we do what we do, what I do, what I do, because I so badly want it to be aliens from outer space or whatever. It's nice because I want to see this right through to the end and then I'll go with the data, you know?
00:55:01
Speaker
Absolutely. You want to take this down the logic train. You want to take this down the logic train. So I started an article and I made a point from starting an article with a quote from one of the people who made the designation of unmanned aerial systems. And that person admits that that was a mistake. Looking back on it, that was a mistake because we hadn't positively identified it. So that's really, really major. I mean,
00:55:24
Speaker
They're going on the basis that it was unmanned aerial systems because these people making the designation decided to do so because they were too small to have a human on board so therefore it must be a drone. So that's what they're making the assumption based on however these people that made the initial designations are now saying
00:55:44
Speaker
not so sure I don't think it was it wasn't coming from the Bass Strait they just appeared to come from nowhere but you know they're coming from the west no going east west north and all these other questions all these other bearings they would have gone back to one place if it came from a certain exact bizarre activity involved however when you ask the Pentagon Public Affairs Office they basically say that this was both an initial
00:56:09
Speaker
assessment and also they evaluated it as well and they still found it to be a mad aero system. So now I've gone back to most said to them and I've gone up I've sent multiple emails now saying do you still stick by you know your line that this was a mad aero systems and I've yet to receive response because their messaging is now being undermined. So yeah very interesting. Sorry I rudely interrupted you Katie but what I'd like to ask
00:56:37
Speaker
What would you make of it? Because obviously now, I mean, look, we don't know that they might have good evidence that it's unmanned aerial systems, but by all means, everything I've heard from the people who have insight into these events points to it not being unmanned aerial systems unless they've got a big rabbit to take out the hat. I don't think they can really back up their claims that it was unmanned aerial systems. So now you've got a situation where I think Bray at the congressional hearing
00:57:06
Speaker
basically says drones slash unmanned aerial systems so what does that mean that he said that in a hearing now and now that messaging has been undermined? I mean I think that I'm just going to reserve judgment you know I would be I'm not an expert in drones
00:57:26
Speaker
I'm not, you know, and I think that it would be perfectly fine to find out at the end of the day that DOD did have some intel they didn't want to share that led them to that conclusion. I'd be super happy. I'd also be happy if I found out that, you know, that that's probably not accurate and they were exhibiting some characteristics that, you know, just can't be explained that way. You know, I kind of tend to agree with Vinny and Jeremy that
00:57:51
Speaker
I came into this as a national security professional concerned with whatever it is. I'm worried. I'm worried if it's China. I'm worried if it's Russia. I'm worried if it's ours and we're wasting billions of dollars on outdated tech. I'm worried if it's
00:58:10
Speaker
something else. And so to me, honestly, I don't care what it is. I just want to know. And I think that that all of our defense officials and both of our countries need to look at it that way. You know, I get that there's stigma, but the bottom line is we have to secure our airspace, we have to secure our seas, we have to know what we're up against, so that we can properly prepare and respond. And asking those questions is the only way you do that. And you can't take anything off the table.
00:58:41
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well said. Yeah, well, I think that's kind of covered the latest on that. Chris, before you go, is there anything that you're able to talk about that you are working on? Any little inside peeks of anything new? Give us the hot glass.
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'm just currently in a tussle with Susan Golf on the over Mosul. Her current line is, look, I'm not going to comment on anything contained within classified briefings, which is fine. That is a great line to give and perfectly understandable. My problem is there's a lack of consistency because they previously have
00:59:24
Speaker
commented and confirmed materials have been classified material briefings, which are the other videos. So I just asked the question saying, look, I get that and perfectly respected for security purposes, but can you explain to me why there is a lack of consistency? What is your approach for commenting on these? Zilch, they don't want to answer that. So I find that really, really frustrating. So I mean, we're currently just trying. We've got
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah, we've got good reasons to believe that there are lots of people that can confirm it. And I have had it confirmed, to me, through various other sources that it was something contained within a classified briefing that is legitimate. So I think we're very confident it is, but it's just frustrating that there's a lack of transparency from the Pentagon in actually saying that. And Gough is saying that there's going to be more materials which are going to be released relating to APTF.
01:00:22
Speaker
sorry UAP when they can confirm it and released it but I mean what we're getting so far it's it's not good but I think some of the progress that's being made in Washington right now is very very good and I'm hoping that this this does change it and it we're going to see some contradictions coming up as the record is corrected but my big question right now as I'm going back sorry going back to this balloon thing that you know we've got incursions
01:00:52
Speaker
going on every day like Gutierrez said these things are being seen every day and they're a safety hazard for flight and Graves has said that we saw them like every day as well on the East Coast. Why is nothing being done about it? Like why a journalist not taking an interest in that saying why is nothing being done about this? It could be Chinese we don't know but
01:01:12
Speaker
It's just incredibly frustrating that you're just seeing a lack of transparency on this and I like to be this topic that you've got one side and I think it is very true as said by the ODNI source. They don't want to comment on this because they can't explain it. They can't explain it so they don't want to comment on it because they don't want to turn around to the US public.
01:01:31
Speaker
we have no idea um but then you've apparently got this other side within the special access programs and stuff like that know perfectly well allegedly what this stuff is so um yeah if i'm if i'm a congressman at the moment in america i'm probably just as frustrated well yeah it's a matter of protecting our military members and every congressman or congresswoman should be aware of that and pushing for that
01:02:00
Speaker
Absolutely. Well said. Yeah, well, wonderful. Chris, thank you so much. Katie, I'm going to hand it over to you to do the outro. Well, thanks for being here, Chris.
01:02:11
Speaker
Welcome to disclosure team as an official team with me and Vinny. Thanks for being here, everyone. Really appreciate it. I was fun to sit in the seat with you guys. And Chris, thank you so much. It's always wonderful to talk with you and appreciate your thoughtful approach to this issue and your friendship. And I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
01:02:36
Speaker
Thank you so much for having me, Beau. It was just brilliant. I loved it. What a great experience. The insight provided by you, Katie, and the thoughtful questions provided by you, Vinny. And it's just, yeah, I think this is gonna be great. I can't wait to be on again. Hopefully, yeah, won't be too long. Anytime, my friend, anytime. All right, guys, we'll see you on the next one. Take care. Bye-bye.