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Christopher Sharp & Katie Howland - 2022 Annual UAP Report & Sean Kirkpatrick Slideshow
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Chris and I will read through and discuss the newly released 2022 Annual Report on Unidentifies Aerial Phenomena as well as AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick's slideshow that he presented to the Transportation Research Board (TRB), National Academy of Engineering, on AARO's "UAP Mission & Civil Aviation" on January 11th 2023.
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Transcript
Alien Abductions and UFO Sightings
00:00:09
Speaker
They were complex narratives of being taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams of light.
Air Force and UFO Cover-Ups
00:00:19
Speaker
The Air Force is trying to cover up with a picture of Venus and the Moon. From my own point of view, I'm going to be very disappointed. If UFOs turn out to be nothing more than visitors from another planet, because I think that
Introduction to UFO Report Discussion
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Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome back to the channel. It has been a crazy few days for the UFO subject with the report dropping and you know it's been talked about on all the other channels so I feel like I'm playing catch up to those guys but you know I did want to come on and cover it and I've brought two awesome guests with me who I'll bring on in one second.
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uh just the usual house rules if you could keep the chap nice and cool calm and collected i would really appreciate that it's okay to have differences of opinion we all kind of uh take different things from this report if anything at all because it wasn't exactly uh
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brimming with information. But we'll try and break it down as best we can from our different perspectives.
Insights from Lou Elizondo
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I also have an exclusive quote from Lou Elizondo. I was lucky enough to have a chat with Lou about three hours ago about the report. So Lou's provided me with a short statement, which is always interesting to hear that point of view.
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So yeah, any questions that you guys have throughout, please pop them in capital letters. And we'll try and get to them at some point. If they're relevant to that particular moment, I will try my best to read them there. And then, if not, we'll get to them towards the end of the discussion. So let's start this off by bringing in my guests.
Guest Introductions: Katie Howland & Christopher Sharp
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First up, I'd like to welcome Katie Howland. Katie, how are you doing? Doing great. Thanks for having me, Vinny.
00:02:26
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It's my pleasure. Thank you so much. I always value your input when we're talking about this aspect of the phenomenon and others, of course. But yeah, I really do appreciate you being here. And next up we have my good friend, Mr. Christopher Sharp. Chris, welcome back. Hey, brother. It's such a delight being here with you and Katie. I admire you both so much, not only as just like people who are so well versed in this topic, but as just fantastic friends and human beings, really. So thank you.
00:02:54
Speaker
Thank you so much. That's really kind of you to say. And yeah, it wasn't that long ago you were here discussing the NDAA. So it's nice to have you back to kind of go over this report. And Katie, with your experience on the Hill and things like that, I think it really is really informative having you here to kind of weigh in on what we can kind of pull out of this report. So yeah.
00:03:17
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I guess we should just jump into it. We'll kind of go through it. We won't read it word for word. So if I do scroll past anything you think was important, please let me know. And yeah, let's get to it. I remember when I first opened the page and refreshed it, and it was there. I was just like, oh, here we go. So yeah, let's get into it.
Increase in UFO Reports
00:03:38
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So obviously, we have the table of contents. Let's skip that. The executive summary, I mean,
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It kind of, to me, it was great to see that the number of cases had jumped up to 510. I mean, my initial thoughts were, I'd imagined that the reporting processes have given us these new numbers because, do you think I'm right in saying that the stigma is slightly starting to drop with regards to aviators and military personnel coming forward? You go first, Katie.
00:04:11
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I mean, I think it obviously is because we're seeing such an increase in the reports. And I think we have to realize that this increase in reports came in a relatively short amount of time. I mean, it's one thing for us who are constantly looking at this to go, oh, only a couple hundred more, you know, but that's that's huge in a short amount of time.
00:04:29
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Um, I also think that, you know, we're going to see a rapid increase just as public education on the topic, um, happens because I think a lot of folks are just used to the status quo of not reporting, not talking about
Factors Behind Rising UFO Reports
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it. Um, but as it's more in the news, we've seen a lot of media coverage lately. I think we're going to see those numbers skyrocket.
00:04:51
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I'm an epidemiologist by background. And one of the first things they teach you is just because you see an increase in reports doesn't mean there's an increase in the actual sightings, right? A lot of times better identification, better definition, less stigma. And I think that's definitely what we're seeing here. Yeah, Chris, what do you think?
00:05:13
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Yes, yes, definitely. It's going away. What they're trying to focus on now is Submariners, which is something which is made clear in the round table discussion we had with Moultrie and Kirkpatrick. And that's a really big thing in terms of the definition and identified anomalous phenomena. So it doesn't have that aerial connotation anymore. So that's really what they're keen on now is breaking through that dam, which is the Submariners.
Congressional Mandate on UFO Reporting
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Yeah. And do you think it's important to clarify that this this was mandated by Congress for the fiscal year 2022 NDAA? So we have seen new language, you know, sign into law back around Christmas time, but that's not relevant to this as such. Am I right in sort of saying that?
00:06:02
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I mean, I think what you saw in the 2023 NDAA was less focused on definitions, right? Other than the terminology shift from two unidentified anomalous phenomena. So I don't think that's going to affect the number of reports. We're going to affect the whistleblower side of things and the industry reports of NDAs and that kind of thing. So I wouldn't expect this year's NDAA to dramatically
00:06:31
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affects the number of reports we're getting in here. Okay. I mean, it was interesting to see NIM Aviation for me personally.
NIM Aviation's Role in UFO Report
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When I saw that in that page, I was like, okay, because we saw that debacle with the logo last year. Any thoughts on that at all? Go for it.
00:06:57
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Um, yeah, that's very, very interesting. That is, um, I mean, um, I don't know how much I can really say about this, but, um, sorry, it's a journalist problem, but, um,
00:07:09
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Yeah, I think they played a really big part of the report, let's say, but I'd just like to point out that I was just looking at it over again. I can't see the DOE in there anywhere. So the report was to actually look into kind of like incidents relating to nuclear assets as well.
00:07:29
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um which was within the NDAA 2022 um so that that's really interesting so was that the DOE not
00:07:41
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cooperating to some extent. I mean, that'd be interesting to find out. Well, I think you may have mentioned before Katie that maybe it's just the case that this information is so sensitive. It may have not been within the unclassified version regardless. But yeah, that's an interesting question to ponder.
Classified Information on Nuclear Tech
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Yeah, I think we're talking about, I think in the appendix, it talks about sections, I think it's like M, N and O, perhaps that has to do with nuclear technology or facilities. And absolutely, I fully expect that none of that will ever be in an unclassified setting. And frankly, I don't think it should be. It's just such a sensitive topic.
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But I would be very, very shocked to see members of Congress talk about this report so positively if it had been straight up ignored in the classified version. So that's kind of what I was paying attention to. And most members of Congress, timbershed aside, seemed pretty pleased, at least preliminarily, with the report.
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Yeah, and we do see on this next page that it's the state that the report was drafted by NIM Aviation in conjunction with ARRO.
Improved Interagency Collaboration on UFOs
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But then in that list of all the different agencies below, we do see the DOE listed in there, which is interesting. But does it seem to you in any way that we're seeing more collaboration and good efforts between all the sort of inter-agencies and the military branches coming together a little bit better than they were maybe for the preliminary assessment back in 21?
00:09:12
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Yeah, I think the agencies are working closer together now and all the different offices and whatnot.
00:09:20
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I think you're going to see other agencies, let's say, take an active interested in this, whether that just leaks out or if it's made public by that agency or branch of the military, like Space Force, for example. I think we now know that Space Force is looking into UAP. That's why Lou was working there and that continues.
00:09:46
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So hopefully we see more kind of like entering into the sphere and we've got NASA as well looking into it as well. I think FAA is being played by so many reports at the moment as well about encountering
FAA and NASA's Involvement
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strange things in the sky which according to some pilots have you know gone up dramatically within this past year I mean some of that may be attributable to Starlink I think it is but there are some cases which you think well that doesn't really look like Elon Musk satellites.
00:10:24
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Yeah, no, I agree. I particularly zoomed into ODNI NIM emerging and disruptive technology. I thought that was a very interesting office or subcomponent of NIM just because I know for a fact that DOD set up a new office in the last two years.
00:10:47
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I'm going to kill myself. I don't remember the exact name of it, but it's something very similar to emerging and disruptive technology. I'm not saying that that's a UAP office, but I think it's interesting to see it situated within that sub function. I think it's relevant. It kind of harkens back to I think the
00:11:07
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um the foreign technology offices that we hear a lot about in um you know like the Corso narratives and things like that regardless of whether or not that's true i don't know um but that definitely piqued my interest a little bit yeah absolutely and already in these first few pages we're seeing um od and i mentioned a lot and there's a lack of ousdi which was something that i know chris you were concerned about and i was a little bit the way that the office was sat under them so what what do we think so far with with
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with respect to that. Do you think it's better now that it seems to be ODNI that's kind of overseeing it? If I'm using the right words, I don't know if I am exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, sure.
ODNI's Data Coordination Role
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So firstly, sorry, DOE was mentioned. I'm looking at the differences between 2020 and Quandt report in 2022. Sorry, sorry, I was getting mixed up between them. So ODNI, yeah, so they published the 2021 report as well. So what basically happens is that the data gets given by the office being Arrow in this case, it was UAPTF back then.
00:12:11
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to the ODNI and the ODNI just coordinates all this stuff basically and they also consult with other agencies and offices as well just to ensure that it's all correct and they're not publishing anything they shouldn't do and they're all coordinating with each other when they do this but there's also a process as well I mean
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Even though the report has only just been given to Congress, there is an ongoing process whereby the legislative affairs section of ODNI is liaising with Congress and staffers just to ensure that the product, as they call it, matches the intent as per the National Defense Authorization Act.
Influence on Report Editing
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Yeah, and I think just to add on to that, one of the interesting things is when you're looking at the scope and assumptions page and you look at all of the various offices that are listed, I think the longer you have that paragraph, the less input, the worse sanitized this report is going to be, because you have to realize there are going to be people in each office who may not be editing the final report, but have a say and have
00:13:26
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ideas about what should be said and shouldn't be said. And so I think we'll talk about, you know, Dr. Sogford Patrick's slides later. But I think what's really interesting is looking at the big difference between the two. And I think a lot of that can really come down to the sheer volume of folks and offices that have input into this report.
00:13:45
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Yeah, absolutely. It was really interesting to have kind of both things almost released a day after one another to then be able to compare the two to see the differences. It spoke volumes to some people. Just sticking with this page, I found that assumptions fairly interesting at the bottom saying that multiple factors affect the observation and detection. But then they're going obviously under the assumption that
00:14:08
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you're getting clear statements from these witnesses, you know, they're actually telling what they saw accurately, but then the assumptions that all the sensor systems are working properly as well. And I mean, it makes me smile because you would just have to assume that this is like multi-billion dollar equipment that they're talking about. I mean, how often does
Sensor Phenomenology's Impact
00:14:28
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it actually fail? I just find it really interesting that they word things in certain ways.
00:14:34
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Yeah, well look, when I went to the round table, I asked if they had seen anything, so I'm just looking at the question right now. Yeah, I said, have you detected UAP demonstrating technology which you weren't able to explain?
00:14:49
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Kirkpatrick started going into that saying yeah there are some interesting dynamics there with lights and then Moultrie button basically saying but Sean is that partly that that's something to do with um sensor phenomenology sir and then Kirkpatrick just went in that direction which is quite funny because that's trying that
00:15:08
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they're trying to gloss it over in the words of the ODNI source that spoke to my colleague in October, Josh Boswell.
Unresolved UFO Cases
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So they're trying to gloss it over. And also, if you go on to page number five, sorry, if you go forward on that, it's kind of got contradicted because it states on there, continued reporting and robust analysis are providing better fidelity on the UAP events, but many cases remain unresolved.
00:15:35
Speaker
I found that really strange and you know we can go back to page four in a minute but we're talking about the characterizations of all these different possible things and then they have to caveat it by saying initial characterization does not mean positively resolved it's like well what have you done what have you actually confirmed like what what are you doing what you're saying here I can't kind of grasp that really honestly it comes down to understanding the federal government
00:16:03
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they are never going to definitively say anything unless they are 100% sure. And so you're going to see these caveats layered on caveats because the last thing they want to do is say, oh yeah, 163 were characterized as balloons, and then have one turn out to be something else. And then the media pounces on it. So I really think what you're seeing here is a lot of covering your butt.
Cautious Government Wording in Reports
00:16:29
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and hoping that, you know, they will not have to worry about ever being incorrect about anything. Look, right here, I've got a balloon-like entity. What in the world is a balloon-like entity? Can we just address that one for a second? Like, I understand what a balloon is. A balloon-like entity, not so much.
00:16:52
Speaker
I mean, Entity does scream, like, biological. To me, it would. That's the first thing I'd think of, you know. It's just bizarre, isn't it? What I imagine is those wacky inflatable tube guys. Ever seen those in the sky? That's, yeah, that's just incredible, isn't it, to see that. But before we dig any deeper on this, let's just jump back to Paige.
Arrow's Expanded Role in UFO Investigation
00:17:16
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So we've got here, it's basically the establishment of Arrow talking about the multi-agency collaborations and stuff. Yeah, I don't think there's much there that we can really dig deep into. I suppose Nimit Aviation will remain the intelligence community's focal point for the UAP issue, while Arrow is the DOD focal point for these issues and related activities.
00:17:38
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So it does seem that NIM aviation is right in there dealing with the IC side of things. Does that surprise anyone at all? Or is there anything you can glean from that?
00:17:48
Speaker
No, I mean, I just assume that within the ODNI, that's the office that I got tasked with kind of taking the helm on here. Because I mean, you have to realize ODNI is huge. So saying that ODNI is going to be handling this is incredibly vague. So I don't think that's remarkable. I do think it makes the logo fascinating. And I do think it makes those patches a lot extra valuable. I agree completely. Chris, is there anything you can gain from this page in particular that you think is worth pointing out?
00:18:18
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on this particular page. This wording, sorry to interrupt, but just looking there, the broad scope of authority granted to Arrow, things like that, it's just interesting. Go on, sorry I interrupted. No, no, I think
00:18:42
Speaker
I think this one, I mean, it speaks for itself really, I mean, NIM Aviation. Yeah, that that's interesting. I can't really say a lot more about that. Interesting, let's say. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, there's nothing else I can really say on that, to be fair, but there's a lot of technicalities on there. So yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I think that that's it.
00:19:11
Speaker
There was one other thing that jumped out on this page to me real quick before I move on. When you see in the first paragraph, Arrow will coordinate with other non-IC agencies, including non-IC elements of DHS.
UFO Reports Along Borders
00:19:24
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That stood out to me. I think what they're saying there, because
00:19:28
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I believe, I could be wrong, I believe FBI is considered IC, so it would fall under ODNI, so they're not talking about FBI here. I think what they're talking about is like Customs and Border Protection, which stood out to me because we're seeing lots of reports along the border. So that definitely stood out to me, and I think that's something interesting to pay attention to. Yeah, that's definitely interesting.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah well if you want to if they want to talk about your border I mean if you think about like 2004 limits encounter that was kind of like close to the border as well in terms of that area so um I think that's quite interesting. Yeah absolutely. Maybe I'm biased as a San Diego looking at border stuff but. Well we have had reports of a lot of things across the South American border as well Mexico and things like that so it's certainly worth bearing in mind I think that was really interesting that
00:20:19
Speaker
I wouldn't have been able to break it down like that. So I find it intriguing in the least. So anything on this page, and obviously we've got the numbers here. And I think like we already mentioned, it was interesting to see these higher numbers. It was good. And Chris, this was something that was reported on by yourself and Josh back in October. And the numbers turned out to be pretty much the same as what you reported on back then, which then makes me think that other things that were featured in that story may also hold a lot of weight, such as
00:20:49
Speaker
There was that one incident in the Middle East with the Reaper drones and the orbs and that
Significant Middle East Incident
00:20:54
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part. There was nothing like that featured in this report. So that to me then puts a lot of weight on that particular case, for example, that these things are being reported and picked up. So do you want to speak to that?
00:21:07
Speaker
Absolutely. I mean, I can't take her in for that. Josh, Josh got all that. That really surprised me because we were trying to find sources basically to tell us stuff and give us the inside story. I didn't hear from Josh for a while and it just came from there. I was like, bloody hell, where did that come from?
00:21:22
Speaker
there's anyone to get like an ODNI source like that to speak out but I think it was in answer to Barnes's article basically and I think the source himself said look they're trying to cross things over here and the source said you know there's an S
00:21:39
Speaker
HIT loads of classified videos that are pretty profound, pretty clear. They don't want to talk about this stuff because they really, really don't know what the hell they are. And that's the truth. And you've got things like explains here, you know, that object diving into the ocean without making a splash. And that's really interesting because if that's true, and we've seen the corbell video of that thing going under the water,
00:22:05
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without apparent spash although the crew does say it because that's a term knowledge for you but he's but a baby saying it's going
Media's Role in UFO Narrative
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underwater but that contradicts what Moultrie said at the media round table because he basically said that we hadn't seen any transmedium activity or transmedium objects
00:22:25
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um well any credible reporting anyhow so i mean there's all these qualifiers you know that they're using any credible reporting not any reporting so yeah i mean they've got to be really careful now these people do because you know the new NDAA does make it clear that they're going to be looking at all the times when government officials have misled
00:22:46
Speaker
the public when it comes to this topic so I would count that as kind of misleading because even though they're careful with their statements the media just tends to run with them without looking at the nuances and the same goes to this report as well which we'll get on to later.
00:23:02
Speaker
I think that you brought up a really good point, Chris, and this is something I was on a foreign policy podcast a couple of days ago, and that was something I brought up is that I think a lot of the media journalists who should know better, who should be digging in piece by piece in these reports, they do. They zero in on those little comments and they don't look at what actually is backing it up because a lot of times it's very, very different. Or people who are capable of reporting on very nuanced public policy
00:23:32
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for some reason are incapable of reporting on nuance in this topic. And that's why I said earlier this week, print out the report, read it yourself, go line by line because oftentimes a single word is important in the overall view of it.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree. And a lot of people were instantly saying, well, it's a nothing burger. There's no decent information. And I totally disagree. And then people would say, yeah, but you're just clutching at straws. You're naive to think that there's anything in here. And again, I disagree. It's very difficult, isn't it? Lack of information is also information.
00:24:14
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it just points to certain things that going forward, you know, yeah, this isn't a bombshell and it never was going to be, you know, this is clearly laying out procedures and things like that moving forward for Arrow and the scope of what they're going to do.
00:24:29
Speaker
and I found that great and just talking about Chris you mentioned there that there were obviously videos and things that were analyzed and looked at and we see the line saying that some UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities and require further analysis I mean that's a big line for me personally because it shows that they are looking at something bizarre
00:24:52
Speaker
That is the key. That is the key line to me. And they don't expand upon that. At least in the preliminary report that was released in 2021, they did talk about some of those capabilities. But they don't do it in this one. So they're trying to close the shop when it comes to expanding more on this, which is why I found some of the things that occurred
00:25:17
Speaker
recently with John Radcliffe basically saying, look, this is like against the law of physics, the things that these things that these objects are doing. So I think there's going to be major pushback by them trying to control this narrative and trying to gloss over, as that ODNI source said, some of the insane things that they've actually been able to capture. So that's really, really important. And that is the one thing I tried to push on when I actually spoke to Kirkpatrick and Moultrie. And they need to be more
00:25:47
Speaker
They need to be more open about this, I think, frankly. Do you think that they can do that without divulging sources and methods, though? Yeah, I think they can. Look, they they've they've recently.
00:26:01
Speaker
I mean, you look all the time, I mean, whether it's the MOD or with the US military, they'll release videos when they want to send out a message about Russian aggression, showing, you know, Russian jets stalking their own aircraft and other adverse adversary actions taken when it suits them, you know,
00:26:23
Speaker
And recently as well with the Ukraine situation, they've been a lot more open in terms of what they can share publicly in terms of their intelligence. So they can go that little bit further if they want to. But for some reason, they're not. And I think that's going to cause problems going forward. And people aren't going to trust them because there is a lack of transparency regarding this process. And it's not good. And the key question is,
00:26:52
Speaker
What are these unusual flight characteristics and performance capabilities? And do you believe that any foreign nations or adversaries are capable of this capability or technology? That's the key question. Well, and I think it's important to remember two things on this. One is that the US government is never going to share information just for the heck of it.
00:27:20
Speaker
You know what I mean? They're going to share information when there's a strategic advantage to do so. So, for example, one of the things I saw in here was, actually, no, I'm sorry, this was in the Kirkpatrick slides, concern over whether or not our allies or adversaries might misattribute a UAP to US tech, which could be very provocative, right?
00:27:41
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And so I think that we need to realize that there may be times when we share information, not because we care about disclosure, but because we want to make something very clear that, hey, we weren't buzzing your nuclear facilities. Don't go to war with us about this. So that's number one. And number two is something that I completely forgot, and it just left my brain. Don't worry. Chime in if it comes back into your head. Don't worry. Don't worry.
00:28:09
Speaker
I suppose the other thing that jumped out to me on here was that they're saying that the majority of the new cases came from both the Air Force
Air Force and Space Force in UFO Reports?
00:28:15
Speaker
and the Navy. And then obviously in the preliminary assessment, there was a certain lack of the Air Force involvement. So I think we've been crying out for that. But I'm not convinced 100% that it's just all of a sudden they're just talking and collaborating. Any thoughts on that? I want to know where Space Force is. True. That's a great question. Yeah, good point.
00:28:37
Speaker
That's what I thought. I mean, I can't speak to Air Force. Yeah, I highly doubt that suddenly after 70 years, they're just perfectly compliant. But yeah, we're missing a couple of branches there. Maybe Marines have seen something. I don't know. But I would like to see something from the Space Force, especially considering there might be some very intelligent people working for Space Force on this topic. So I'm very curious about that.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Chris, any thoughts on the Air Force? So on Space Force firstly, yeah, multiple people told me that Space Force are studying this.
Space Force's UAP Investigation
00:29:17
Speaker
And this is why Lula Zonda was working there as well for my understanding that there is an ongoing effort with Space Force. So I just don't know when they're going to publicly acknowledge that. But we'll have to see. In terms of the US Air Force,
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, so it confirmed to me that it did not extend its pilot program to look into UAP hotspot. I think it was a particular UAP hotspot. So that was interesting. So I don't understand where the air force is at at the moment currently in terms of this because
00:29:54
Speaker
I don't know from my understanding the stigma is still attached to the topic within the Air Force so I don't know how many new cases are going to get reported as compared with the US Naval Navy which is doing more to help raise the stigma so I mean it's definitely an interesting situation but from my understanding when the UAPTF was getting started it looked like
00:30:20
Speaker
the US Air Force was going to start cooperating with them and working together with them, but then all of a sudden they just did a complete U-turn and didn't have anything to do with the UAP topic again.
00:30:35
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, just this last bit at the bottom of the page, this partnerships and collaboration, it was good to see the FAA and NASA mentioned, but I found it interesting where they said that Aria is working closely with OSDPA and mission partners to develop information sharing and messaging strategy that aims to maximize transparency. I mean, okay, if you say so, while maintaining appropriate protections of sensitive sources and methods. Okay, I did like to see that word transparency in there,
00:31:04
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at least give us something with it it's easy to type that in our yeah exactly i i'm sorry i call bullshit it's the public affairs office their goal isn't to be transparent their goals to manage the message uh so i think that's just a cut and paste uh communication strategy thing that you could probably find in many dod reports cool good to hear that from you yep that makes sense i suppose and then page six uh
00:31:34
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It mentions the first time here about communication with allied partners regarding UAP. Now, we've not really heard that much. We did hear a bit out of Canada. Well, last year, there was a few conversations we know that had, and I think, am I right in saying that there were briefings held between, I don't think it was Kirk Patrick. It might have been someone before him. Do you know about that, Chris, at all? Can you confirm that?
00:31:58
Speaker
And I'm sure there was a briefing between whoever was running the UFO, sorry, the UAP office last year. It might have been AIMSOG, I'm not sure. Chris, do you know anything about that? Yeah, from my understanding, it was...
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah, it was reported that there had been a briefing that took place with Canada's MOD on the topic from understanding and that was confirmed by Susan Gough as well. So that has taken place. I mean, this is a really, really, really vital question in terms of what topic, let's say, in terms of
00:32:38
Speaker
collaborating with allies and partners is so vital because, I mean, just keep that thought in your head. But let's just say there's so many theatres within the past 20 years that the US and its partners and allies have been operating joint operations, let's say. And then obviously we have the Five Eyes Alliance as well, where information. I was just about to say that.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yeah, I would expect that it would be Five Eyes exclusively at this point, at least formally speaking. I'm sure there are small side conversations that happen. And for those of you who aren't familiar with Five Eyes, it's basically the closest information and intelligence sharing agreement we have. It's for the five basically majority English speaking countries, the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
00:33:33
Speaker
I'm not missing. So that's what you would expect is that most of the intelligence will be shared with those countries that we have our closest relationship with in terms of intelligence.
00:33:46
Speaker
We mentioned Canada, but then, you know, you look to the UK and there's no conversation happening here whatsoever. New Zealand, again, very quiet. I mean, in Australia, it's been good to see Senator Peter Wish Wilson kind of pushing the conversation out there. He's not got a lot out of them, but it's good to see someone in, you know, with his authority trying to have the conversation. And I think we need that more here in the UK, about everywhere. But, you know, at least they've got something, someone doing positive stuff in Australia. So.
00:34:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's interesting. Then finally on here, we're talking about the flight safety concerns, which I think are obvious to anybody who's been following this subject now and heard of the work that Ryan Graves has been doing on that aspect of UAP.
Health Effects of UAP Encounters?
00:34:31
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But then this bit at the bottom where there have been no encounters confirmed to contribute directly to adverse health related effects.
00:34:40
Speaker
Um, which, okay. I mean, a lot of these cases were just from the year, but I mean, I found that still very surprising. Yeah. Chris, I'll let you go first. Yeah. Yeah. So the key word being here and a qualifier direct and confirmed.
00:35:00
Speaker
Exactly, and confirmed. Yeah, it's meant to be like that. It's phrased like that for a good reason. But I mean, I think Lula Zondo suggested that health implications were that pilots were aviators to be up in the sky. There would be lost time events.
00:35:26
Speaker
they would they would like lose a minute or something in the sky and they wouldn't know where that time went and it would be because I think it would be like okay I burnt through no it's one minute forward but I burnt I haven't burnt through that much fuel something like that some discrepancy between the time
00:35:46
Speaker
and the fuel that they had burned. And that led some naval aviators to believe that they had lost track of time. And then there was, I think, radiation burns as well that was reported by some naval aviators, which I think related to incidents involving UAP and possible microwave damage as well. So I think those would be the things
00:36:14
Speaker
um that could be health implications from UAP um yeah it's very interestingly worded definitely it's it's something to look out for in the future and i'm hoping that as more progress is being is being made on this topic and Arrow gets its acts together that we can get some more definitive conclusions on this absolutely and you know i i think those two words are what stuck out to me as well um putting my epidemiologist hat on though i also
00:36:44
Speaker
was a little irritated because what we really need is we need epidemiologists to study this for decades because what we see a lot of times are the type of exposures that UAP experiencers have are typically in the radiation symptomology. And we know for a fact, well, we know based on anecdotes that experiencers have
00:37:11
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high amounts of autoimmune and cancer clustering. These are changes that happen over years, decades even. And so I think what we need to do is really make sure that for folks who are having these encounters, we're following their records.
00:37:26
Speaker
for a while and that's not a cheap thing to do and it probably won't happen but if we're really serious about looking into this that's what we would look at because it's just impossible to say at the exact time whether or not there was any impact to human health. There's a lot of cellular changes that could happen that we're not going to see immediately.
00:37:47
Speaker
It's really important as well for pilots, new wave eaters and their families to understand what they're getting into when they sign up to serve their country.
Historical Health Impacts from UAPs
00:37:56
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I feel you look back on decades ago when the nuclear tests were being carried out and
00:38:03
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now you've got lots of people who took part in those tests and they've got horrible diseases from it and at the time the risks weren't made clear and that's seen as a scandal and I think that we could potentially see something similar if it is found conclusive that there are health related impacts from UAP
00:38:24
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you both talking about that. I mean, we only have to look at what happened with John Burroughs following Rendlesham the amount of years and decades he had trying to get his medical records and some kind of reimbursement through, you know, as a veteran. So, yeah, it'd be interesting to see how that develops in any more future reports and the work that Arrow are doing. So, yeah.
00:38:45
Speaker
So moving on to the summary here, I mean the first line stating about the hazard to flight safety. I like how they pose a possible adversary collection threat because people still see that word threat and they still don't understand that we're not talking about an alien invasion here. We're still talking about defense and the Department of Defense doing their job.
00:39:07
Speaker
by you know you can't just assume that these things they're not a threat we're the threat humanity you know we've got to get past that so that's good to see that it was defined a bit better um but they're saying as well that you know the reporting is due to the because the efforts trying to destigmatize the topic okay that's good to hear as well um yeah if any of you guys can pull anything out of there that you think is worth mentioning
00:39:35
Speaker
I see at the bottom the coordinated efforts. It does, from the wording in the last paragraph, sound like they're starting to identify the solutions going forward, the procedures and processes. It doesn't sound like they are established in any way. So it'll be interesting to see come the end of June, I believe, when we are likely to get another report.
00:39:59
Speaker
Annie, are you expecting the federal government to work quickly because I got news for you? No, I just real quick, you pointed out the posing the possible adversary collection threat. I don't know exactly what was meant by that, but I would say that I kind of inferred that perhaps they're concerned about our adversaries getting their hands on this technology and the technological disadvantage that would put us at
00:40:26
Speaker
Not a happy thing to think about, but that is definitely what's hooked my ear up. I think as what I got from that, the possible adversary collection, is could they be just thinking about drones over nuclear facilities collecting data on our systems and capabilities?
China's Interest in UFOs
00:40:45
Speaker
Interesting how it can be looked at differently. They love this vague language, don't they? Chris, anything you can gain from that at all?
00:40:56
Speaker
Yeah yeah I would like to think that China or Russia hasn't consistently and constantly throughout the past maybe perhaps 10 years and going on to this day probably still on the east coast been sending drones or balloons whatever on the east coast to spy on US Navy naval aviators conducting training missions and
00:41:23
Speaker
I'd like to think that that hasn't been happening so long and that still despite all this and despite Ryan Graves coming out in 60 minutes that this is continuing to happen despite it being adverse, you know adversaries perhaps spying on us. I mean to think that something wouldn't have been done by now if it was just simple
00:41:46
Speaker
you know balloons or drones doing that and to my knowledge from from what's been made public naval aviators aren't aware that it's Chinese or Russian as well so yeah that's really important I think you know as well I'd like to say that I was discussing it was a very very bright person the other day about this other angle that China and other nations may may be
Implications of UFO Technology Race
00:42:14
Speaker
looking into their own crash retrievals, let's say, if any other countries have alleged craft, then that is definitely a threat. Because whoever gets this technology first rules the world, basically. And China, for instance, has the world's largest UFO organization. It's over 1 million members.
00:42:43
Speaker
and each one of them has to have like a degree and have a written paper so these are highly qualified people and the stigma is not as big in China they just want to look at the data and look at the raw facts and also in China as well and
00:43:01
Speaker
I guess not so much Russia considering what's happened in the intelligence front but in China they're able to keep things very very tight in terms of secrecy as well so you could possibly have a huge number of people looking into possible um craft and studying it and that kind of being kept um locked tight and
00:43:23
Speaker
If that is true, that there are, you know, craft of possible alien origin, and US and other nations have that, have these craft, then China perhaps has a real, real edge on everyone else. Yeah, I you're completely right, Chris. And I think one of the biggest arguments against the majority of these reports being Russian advocacy Ukraine war, first of all,
00:43:51
Speaker
If you can't get a tank across a creek, then I highly doubt you're shooting down UFOs and have your own technology. I'm a little more cautious on this. I think that
00:44:05
Speaker
Look, there's bound to be some Chinese drones within these reports. There really are. They're rapidly expanding their technological capabilities, especially on the West Coast. I would not be shocked. But like you said, they have this huge organization. They have a clear interest in this topic. So they wouldn't be investigating this topic if it was all of them.
00:44:31
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And so I think we have to be very careful to recognize that look, some of these are found to be a drone here or there. That's okay. We expect that.
00:44:41
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But arguing that all of this can be explained by foreign adversary tech or black tech, maybe one or two sightings are, maybe there's one class of sighting that is black tech. That doesn't mean that all of it can be explained in that way. But yeah, I personally am very concerned about the Chinese government and how they are looking at this topic. I think it's probably our biggest threat at the moment in terms of the UAP discussion.
00:45:11
Speaker
I think what we are really seeing is a huge imbalance in stigma because of the Robertson's panel.
00:45:21
Speaker
Right? A lot of other countries that didn't have those efforts to intentionally de-stigmatize or intentionally stigmatize the topic don't have the same hangups that we have in the US. And it's really going to harm our national security. So we've got to put our pedal to the metal on this, or we're going to be outmaneuvered.
00:45:42
Speaker
Yeah, well said. I completely agree on that. Just looking here at page 8, I believe that was just what was laid out in the NDAA for fiscal year 2022. So we don't need to pull anything from that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's all that was just in the NDAA. Here we go. Unclassified. I think that, again, is still the end of that. I just would refer people to the NDAA or to go and look at that themselves.
00:46:11
Speaker
establishment of the office and duties based again on the NDAA and what they were asking them to do and develop. There's your key terms. It's interesting that top one their range Fowler and then we happen to see the release of these.
00:46:26
Speaker
Was it 70 or 90 redacted range fowlers appear yesterday, including the Nimitz and stuff? I found that really interesting. I had a brief look. I couldn't really get much information out of them because of the heavily redacted areas. But it just seems that we get things all in a little bunch, and things seem to drop at the same time. It's strange. There we go. I think that is that.
00:46:55
Speaker
Is there anything anyone wants to say before I move on?
00:47:00
Speaker
Yeah I would just say that just going back to the page where they say page five where they say that arrows initial analysis and characterization of the 366 newbie identified reports informed by a multi-agency process judge more than half as exhibiting unremarkable characteristics so it's very very important because
Media's Quick Characterization of UFOs
00:47:27
Speaker
this is just initial analysis and characterization as it says. And then in the paragraph after that, it basically states that it hasn't been positively identified. Yeah, so initial characterization does not mean positively resolved or identified.
00:47:53
Speaker
So that's really, really important. Like Katie was saying before, that media tend to be quite lazy. So they'll just say, oh, yeah, more than half of them are balloons or drones and stuff like that. That's really, really important. And I'll point back to the case, the Omaha case off West Coast that came out with the pyramid, as it's been said,
00:48:19
Speaker
drone or UAP or however you want to look at it. I think there's still a lot to be said on that case and as you would remember Scott Bray and the DOD have stated these things are unmanned aircraft systems.
00:48:37
Speaker
So I want to ask a question. I have asked a question. Was this just an initial analysis and characterization of this case? And has it been positively resolved or identified? I think that's very, very important. I mean, if it is China, and you don't know where it came from, and you've not managed to find the origin and prove that it's Chinese,
00:49:03
Speaker
That's really, really bad. And if it was the Chinese, this looks like really, really next gen technology, especially if the US can't explain it to start off with. I mean, it's only recently that they've said it's UAS and we don't know if that's definitely UAS or not. But if it was their technology, why would they be flaunting it around the US fleets so that it could be shot down? I don't know. A lot of stuff still doesn't make sense to me.
00:49:32
Speaker
I mean that's the tagline for this whole, this whole discussion right and lots of ones that make sense. I think that if I was a professional staffer right now looking at this, I would see the number of reports in a single year, and I would say there is no way they have enough resources to adequately investigate these cases because
00:49:51
Speaker
The positively identified caveat, I think, is really interesting for us because we're like, oh, great, they're not done. But in practicality, what that means, they're putting that on a shelf because they don't have the manpower to investigate every single case to its conclusion, right? I mean, if you're looking at 500 and someone
00:50:10
Speaker
cases a year, you're talking about multiple cases a day? Are you telling me that in a couple hours, they're solving some of these really difficult cases? No way. And so what they're doing is they're putting them into a bucket and saying, okay, we think we know what these are, we can't say for sure, but we really need to focus on these ones that are really obvious and interesting. And in that process, we could be missing a lot of information. And so what I really see with this is a need for
00:50:36
Speaker
better appropriations, better manpower, expanded scope of authority, if they show that they're doing their job diligently and honestly. And so if I was Arrow, I would be clamoring, telling Congress, give me more money, give me more stuff, let us investigate this well, because this should be something that every defense official wants, expand my office. And so I
00:51:02
Speaker
I hope that's what happens, but if the goal isn't actually to be transparent and solve this, that'll become very obvious because any intelligence officer would look at this and go, we need better analysis.
00:51:19
Speaker
Yep, very, very good. Very good point. Before we move on to the slide show, I'm just going to read out a couple of comments slash questions that I've collated from the live chat. First up, Jonathan Davis says, I'd ignore this report. The next one is the first chance we get to see what this team will produce based on the new more powerful congressional requirements. Absolutely. I think that's really going to be the test, isn't it? Lord Bass says, do you think they would admit if it were adversary?
00:51:49
Speaker
Probably not. Not publicly. No, because that would say we can't control what's in our skies.
Admitting Foreign UFO Tech?
00:51:56
Speaker
We are not that good at defending the country. Yeah, that's interesting.
00:52:03
Speaker
Next up, Susan Gough's time traveling agent says, has there been any information released on how long the classified report is? No, I have not heard how long it is. I've had a few conversations, but not about the length. So yes, according to the source of state, Josh, my memory is correct. I think it was double, at least double in terms of pages. I think it was like 20, 24.
00:52:30
Speaker
Okay, that's interesting. I need to have a look back at that and circle around, but I think Susan Gough's time travel in Asians. Thank you for the kind donation. Yep. Hit that like button and spread the news. Indeed people. And finally, echoes in Loaf. I says, is the US defense bill properly scrutinized or investigated as the nuts and bolts? The way I see it is that there is funding going to certain groups who have all the answers.
00:52:57
Speaker
Well, first of all, I would say the NDAA doesn't allocate funding. So that's an authorizations bill. So that just allows these offices and
00:53:09
Speaker
programs to exist. We need to look at the appropriations bill and see how much they're actually going to be given to carry this out. A very common trick in Washington is to say, sure, we'll start this office and then we'll give you $2 million to do it. And that will be really, really obvious. So that's what I would pay attention to. Excellent.
00:53:30
Speaker
Right, before we do move on, I am just going to quickly read out Lou Elizondo was kind enough to give me a quote regarding.
00:53:38
Speaker
Well, I guess his views on the UAP report. So let me just bring that over. So thank you, Lou. Lou is always very generous with his time and providing me with short videos or quotes. So yeah, I really appreciate it. So Lou says, first of all, I would like to extend a thank you to Vinnie and Chris for their tireless efforts involving this topic over the past few years. Thank you, Lou.
00:54:02
Speaker
And of course a big thank you to your audience who continue to put pressure on our government to pursue this issue. People in high places are listening. This report is yet another incremental step forward towards real transparency. From 144 unknown events to now over 500.
00:54:17
Speaker
Personally, I expect this trend to only increase with time. We must also remain vigilant and remind ourselves of what Chris Mellon said in his most recent article. The more we look up, the more things we are going to see. Some will have prosaic explanations, some won't. It is these that remain completely out of the realm of our current technology paradigm that we must focus on and not allow ourselves the temptation of writing off the truly unexamined as simply a mirage or atmospheric anomaly.
00:54:44
Speaker
I trust our pilots to win our wars. I also trust our pilots to tell the truth. Lastly, I trust our pilots know the difference between a seagull and something truly exotic. Amazing. Thank you, Lou, so much. It's good to always get a statement from Lou on his thoughts on what's happening.
00:55:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's great. Right. So, you know, one thing I will say as well, the Chris Mellon's article was really interesting, pulling out his key takeaways. That is linked in the description for people to go and take a look at, as well as the couple of the videos that have cropped up with John Radcliffe, Andre Carson in the media the last day or two, go and check those out.
Chris Mellon's Insights on UFO
00:55:26
Speaker
I was going to play them, but then I was worried about copyrights and all this. So I just recommend people go and check them out for themselves and
00:55:32
Speaker
take what you will from it because, you know, it was very interesting. Let's move on to Kirk Patrick's slideshow. Here we go. And this was a lot better. I can't remember if anyone can, who he presented it to. I did have it written down and I can't remember where I wrote it down. It was the transportation group. Yeah. And aviation as well as a civil aviation group, maybe.
00:56:00
Speaker
Right, so yes. I guess it really lays out Arrow, maybe in an easier to understand terminology compared to the mishmash of the UAP reports.
00:56:17
Speaker
Yeah, you guys feel free if there's anything that jumps out to you. I did like on this that it really clearly did say anomalous spaceborne, airborne, seaborne or trans medium. Like just right in your face was just brilliant on the get go. I think Chris Mellon's really excited. He finally saw spaceborne. He's been really hammering that for a while now. So it was nice to see.
00:56:40
Speaker
And then also, you know, going on to say that something is not attributable to known actors or causes. So, you know, really laying out that this is for genuine unidentified anomalous objects. So, yeah, that's great. And it says here, complex hazards and threats across service, regional and domain boundaries. Yeah, very interesting language. Here we go. Next one.
00:57:09
Speaker
Again, guys, if there's anything you really want to sort of pick out, please, I might miss it. So go ahead. Talking about characteristics, behavioral, technical, physical limitations. Yeah, it's. I don't know what they mean by the disposition of observed phenomena. I mean, do they mean characteristics? I mean, because that's not what they know. That's not what they mean, because that's a separate bullet point in the very beginning. So I want to know what the disposition is.
00:57:38
Speaker
It's nice in the vision to see that they're talking about greater transparency. Now, does that mean greater transparency within the IC and the DOD or outside into public? I think that's keeping it internal still. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I would say that, what is it again? Sorry, I got given slides from Sue as well.
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah I mean any assessed technological gap between the phenomena and the United States on page three in terms of vulnerabilities that's really really important and it was quite interesting because Radcliffe when he was speaking today was saying that this is technology that we don't possess we need to know that and
00:58:31
Speaker
and he was questioning the term foreign as well, whether that be a government or something else. I was like, okay, what do we mean by the definition of foreign now? Although I'd say in the report, it's made quite clear that it's foreign government, but it's another term to look out for in terms of them trying to find... Foreign technology. Foreign, it could be a synonym for aliens. I thought this line was interesting where it says, threats to the immediate safety of US citizens and government facilities across domains is priority.
00:59:02
Speaker
That's the first time I've ever seen them say anything about any kind of possible threats or lack of safety to general citizenship of a country. I mean, that's scary. Yeah. And what's really interesting is like coming from a military intelligence background, if they were talking about like military pilots or something like that, they would say service lovers. So the use of the term or war fighter or something like that, the use of the term citizen is very interesting.
00:59:28
Speaker
Absolutely. Just to address this, would you mind? Chris, were these slides leaked as a counterpoint to the report? So what happened was that he gave it...
00:59:39
Speaker
Wednesday that he gave the presentation and yeah I was trying to get in touch with the organizers to see if I could perhaps watch it live and then they were basically saying oh we're not doing it as a live stream I was like okay cool and then I contacted Susan Gough for the slides but I mean Dean Johnson had already released them by the time Susan gave them to me and unfortunately they had no transcript for this
ODNI Event Clarification
01:00:06
Speaker
event either which is quite disappointing but you know if there's anyone out there that was there for this event that wants to talk to me please come forward and message me up on Twitter. Yeah just confirm it was January the 11th, Wednesday the 11th I believe it was.
01:00:25
Speaker
Yeah, Katie, there's that line that you were talking about earlier, the consequence of such moderate to high potentially leading to adversarial misattribution of UAP to the United States. So yeah, that's yeah, I mean, that could that could be catastrophic. I mean, we know that the UAP are coming into our country and buzzing nuclear installations. Imagine if they think that we're doing that.
01:00:47
Speaker
in Iran, right, or something like that, that would be very volatile and sensitive. Yeah, and then that section of the, sorry, go on, sorry. No, no, no, go for it. I just wanted to highlight that below there in the bottom right, where it says, allies and strategic competitors apply resources to observe, identify and attribute UAP. And that link there is actually linked to a Chinese site. So
01:01:13
Speaker
Click on that. Yeah, it's already thrown up a security warning, so I'm not going to do it right now. That's the only link in the entire slideshow, the external link, and it makes you ask a lot of questions.
01:01:34
Speaker
If I was a lobbyist, I'd be looking at how much money the Chinese are putting onto this. And I would go to the members of Congress and say, oh, you really want to spend less than Chinese are spending on this?
01:01:44
Speaker
That would be my strategy. So I don't know if we have information on what the dollar sign is behind the Chinese effort, but that's an easy way to get members of Congress on your side. That's absolutely brilliant. Absolutely. Yeah, I think China calls it unidentified. Is it like air conditions? Yeah, unidentified air conditions. That's how the Chinese refer to it as the People's Liberation Army. No connection to liberation times, by the way.
01:02:13
Speaker
uh that's really interesting but I mean um I wrote an article on Friday on Friday so apparently tomorrow the decision is going to be made in terms of the um the the UN decision for San Marino whether they press ahead of it which should be quite exciting.
01:02:32
Speaker
this whole effort can can trace its origins in China because in 2018 a bunch of like Chinese researchers for some reason decided to do these huge like um symposiums on on UFOs um one being held in I think it's Chongqing um China and the other in Moscow and Russia it was kind of like a joint kind of like Russian Chinese initiative I mean
01:03:01
Speaker
the footage you can find it online I'm hoping it's still there but you can see like the one in Moscow and you've got a whole bunch of like military in there like soldiers their uniforms on and they've got they've got Russian cosmonauts present as well and they've got big industries and represent
01:03:20
Speaker
you know representatives there from from different trade federations and stuff and there's a really big well organized thing and what they did was they got lots of representatives from different countries like Gary Hessel time from the UK for example I think they they brought him over for one of the events and the plan was to have a third
01:03:42
Speaker
event in Hezei in China and the plan was at that event to actually come up with a plan and coordinate going to the United Nations to get the sports up to the UN and this is crazy because as you would know like nothing in China happens if you don't have the exactly if you don't have the government saying it's okay then you can't do it so I just thought it was really interesting
01:04:09
Speaker
And all of a sudden, this thing just fell away. So I think there's a big undercurrent of, of interest in China, which is, yeah, which may be bigger than some of us may, may realize. Well, and honestly, like, I'm shocked by that. I'm shocked that the Chinese and the Russians want to take this to the UN. Because I know that like in the US, for example, while there may be
01:04:34
Speaker
um positives to going to the UN and sharing information with our allies and whatnot there's going to be a big group of people that say no we're not sharing any information with anyone we don't want to you know that that leaves us our strategic advantage um so yeah i'm really interested in what the Chinese and Russians think they can gain from that you know like what's what's their end game is it truly just oh yeah we want to be partners with everyone and get the information i don't know um but i would be
01:05:03
Speaker
a little skeptical. I'm always a little skeptical of these things, but it'll be interesting to see. That's not to say that I don't think the UN initiative is a good idea. I think it's a great idea. But I think everyone's going to come to that with different motivations and different expectations of what they get out of it. Yeah, no, definitely.
01:05:22
Speaker
Now, this page really stood out to me a few points. In that first box there, it's talking about capabilities for optimized cross-functional UAP detection, tracking, mitigation, and recovery. So of course, that really screamed recovery of UAP. OK, OK. OK, OK, OK. Probably done it before. Maybe. Yeah, you never know.
01:05:52
Speaker
And then the second one, revealing and exploiting elusive and enigmatic signatures through advanced technologies, which is, you know, exploiting. That's really, really interesting. I mean, one of the first articles on liberation times,
01:06:12
Speaker
was done by Bob Pliskin, he's a former marine intelligence officer, and that was all about signature management.
01:06:24
Speaker
And yeah, that's really, really interesting. It was kind of like, I think on the East Coast, if you look at what's out there in terms of public information, it seemed as though that there was a certain degree of signature management taking place that we couldn't explain. So yeah, that's really, really interesting there. And if you're getting into it from an intelligence perspective,
01:06:51
Speaker
that's one of the key things, because in last report it said the UAP Tev.
01:06:59
Speaker
holds a small amount of data
Signature Management in UFOs
01:07:01
Speaker
that appear to show UAP demonstrating acceleration or degree of signature management. So yeah, signature management is basically used in the military and defense context. A signature would be any manner of identification that can be detected by an adversary. So an example would be considered a signature, for example, that would be a radar cross-section, active or passive signals emitted.
01:07:28
Speaker
infrared emissions or even distinctions that can be seen visually, meaning an identification can be made. And by the way, those are not my own words. Those are not my own words. I'm not that intelligent. So no, no. So I think that's like a really, really important thing to kind of hone in on. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
01:07:52
Speaker
And then on this next box, the interdisciplinary analysis, talking about peer reviewed conclusions using the scientific and intelligence method. I mean, that's what we always want, isn't it? We want peer reviewed work to be done on this subject.
01:08:08
Speaker
And I want to know where is that going to be published? Is it just going to be internal in the US government? That's what I assume. But I would love to see a legitimate journal, you know, like let's let's because that's how good science is done. You know, we talked about this a lot. But we have to be able to use our scientific resources in this country. We have some of the best scientists in the world. And we're not utilizing their expertise.
01:08:33
Speaker
because we're not allowing this process to actually go through peer review, which strengthens our assessment and our analysis of capabilities. Yeah, absolutely. And then in this last box, the thing, the two small parts that stood out to me were obviously transparency, building trust and transparency. But the fact that it mentions oversight authorities, you know, it's nice to know that they're aware that there are people looking over their shoulder and reading down their necks, you know, that really is important. So yeah, what a great page that is.
01:09:03
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And then this next one is obviously talking about educating aviators and crews. So the fact that it's talking about sharing UAP data, you know, with aviators, it's like, like, this is what you've got to look out for and showing them like,
01:09:21
Speaker
Really interesting stuff like that, you know, that's kind of what I gleaned from that. Just obviously help them identify and report things better, encouraging reporting, destigmatizing. These are all buzzwords that we like to hear, but I still, for some reason, a part of me is still not convinced over, you know, in the grand scheme of things. What do you guys think? Yeah, yeah, I think.
01:09:46
Speaker
There's questions over this. I mean, there's two distinct things that are happening at the moment. Obviously, Kirkpatrick is focusing here in his presentation about the active investigation, which is ongoing in terms of events that are being reported. But there's another stream of things. So even if you're not totally won over by this,
01:10:09
Speaker
the whistleblower stuff is going to be huge. I mean, you've got Chris Mellon, someone of his position, using those last lines when he's talking about his key takeaways from his report stating that, you know, he knows the number of
01:10:27
Speaker
Whistleblowers, basically, who are coming forward that know a lot about the crash retrieval programs, potentially, and reverse engineering programs. So that's really, really huge. So I think my key takeaway for anyone who feels that, look, Arrow is not going to do anything. It's going nowhere. Well, firstly, it's been taken out of OUSD INS from a certain extent, which is great news, which is brilliant. Exactly.
01:10:54
Speaker
Secondly, I think we've got this other thing which can blow a lid on this whole thing in terms of the whistleblower stuff. Yeah, I mean, Mellon actually used the words alien technology, I do believe as well. He did. He's getting excited, isn't he? He's getting excited, yeah. He's getting excited, but he's also very, very cautious in his loving. And he doesn't throw around a word without thinking about it and thinking about the ramifications of it. So I think that's important.
01:11:22
Speaker
absolutely yeah it's like chris melon is someone who has probably written a few of these similar reports like this before you know that go to like the the top of the top in terms of like presidents and stuff like that so his wording the way that he's been trained you have to always take that into context and um yeah so like katie said it's hugely important the words that he chooses yeah absolutely i just wanted to highlight this comment from jd he says
01:11:50
Speaker
The UAP JIATF was much more informative compartment. I wonder if Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick has read into it. SecDef and CommustracCom were. That JITATF cropped up. I think it was towards the end of last year and I can't remember where but.
01:12:06
Speaker
It's interesting to know how much Kirkpatrick has been brought up to speed as someone new to the study of UAP and running an office around UAP. What historical stuff have they shared? Or maybe more the question is, what has he actually caught up with if he's been handed a whole lot of stuff and he's had a limited time to look into it? I think that's really a point we should be considering as well.
01:12:29
Speaker
Yes, that was like what Lou Elizondo was quoted as saying in my most recent story. So it was like, now that Arrow is no longer under the chain of command of my old office, the OSDI, I would support increased authorities to Dr. Kirkpatrick in order to identify all
01:12:54
Speaker
US government equities both past and present who may have been slash are involved in UAP studies so yeah you're definitely on the right lines there. I'm sorry I was just going to say he just clarified that the JIATF was the Navy compartment from submarine sensors so thank you JD.
01:13:12
Speaker
So yeah, I would say that the no, no, I would say that the 2023 and a I believe it was this year that assigned the arrow authority directly to depth sec depth Kathleen Hicks I'd say that is very indicative of the fact that he hopefully is getting that Kathleen Hicks is one smart cookie and
01:13:36
Speaker
And she doesn't take a lot of shit. So, you know, if there was anyone that this office should report to, I am absolutely thrilled that it's her. Brilliant. Yeah, like similar things. She's great. Yeah. Here we go then. What kind of information would be necessary and sufficient for UAP analysis? So this is great how it breaks down the multi kind of the different angles that they can collect data to look at and analyze.
01:14:02
Speaker
The interesting thing that is in the UAP report, it did say in one of the parts that it seemed that there was not enough data or information to do a good analysis on it. But I think that there probably is. They've got the witnesses. They've got the sensor data, because census was mentioned so many times in that report. But it was skipped over. It was just, yeah, census. I think the fact that they're talking about census so much, they must have so much information.
01:14:31
Speaker
This is good. And then again, about the observer, we're talking about physiological, psychological, or other effects, apparently corresponding to the UAP observation. So they're definitely highlighting the health effects here. There must be something to it. It's not just a what if.
01:14:48
Speaker
There's no health effects but report all the health effects. Exactly. The indifference stuff is quite interesting because you'll remember with the Nimitz case Kevin Day basically said that they acted as if they wanted nothing to do with us and it looks as though like on the east coast as well that
01:15:08
Speaker
you know they don't they seem quite indifferent these objects although from a sense of relating to signature management I think it was Chad Underwood that says you can see cues of jamming on both your radar and your flare tape which is quite interesting as well.
01:15:26
Speaker
Absolutely, and I think we could literally break down this page, but I'm not going to go into every point, but this UAP behavior indicating whether it is apparent intelligent control, response to observation, which is very interesting, response to observation and or observer presence and apparent indications of indifference or hostility.
Indicators of Intelligent Control in UAPs
01:15:46
Speaker
I mean, yeah, all of those little points are just so valid and so important. I mean, yeah, it's just such a rich slideshow. And again, guys, the report and this slideshow, if you haven't got them already, the links are in the description of this video for you yourselves to go and print out, like Katie says, read each line and peruse and form your own conclusions. And, you know, that's the end of the slideshow. But, you know,
01:16:13
Speaker
Again, it's just so interesting that the two documents are so different in their kind of writing and scope. So yeah. Do you think there's anything we haven't touched upon that's worth mentioning that's maybe just come out of this week?
Andre Carson on UFO Debris
01:16:30
Speaker
Anything that's said in the media? Please go for it. Andre Carson, man. Drop in that word.
01:16:39
Speaker
I think it's very interesting that we're now talking about debris. And you said the debris wasn't interesting, which- It wasn't notable. Notable, right? Notably alarming. That's it. Which thing is that being used? Notably alarming? What in the world is it then? Because if it's not notably alarming, it's probably not UAP. It means we know what it is, right? So that just doesn't make any sense to me. And I also want to know who cleared him to talk about that, because that is a huge admission that we have some sort of debris
01:17:10
Speaker
of something. Yeah, absolutely. So if you saw something that they got from Roswell like decades ago, it's like, oh yeah, we've pulled this out. Would you be notably alarmed knowing that it's been in possession for decades?
01:17:23
Speaker
Well, no, I wouldn't because it's not going to do anything to us. I'm not alarmed that. Oh, my God. What's it going to do? So you said there isn't there from a congressional standpoint in terms of you've not told us. That's alarming. You've got those. But they really said like, well, you've had it for decades. So it's not. Yeah.
01:17:41
Speaker
That's how I saw it in that way. We're not alarmed by it because we're not worried about what it's going to do or any implications from that aspect. And I've seen this on social media today since posting that video that so many people are reading these short quotes from these important people and really coming up with absolute opposites depending how you see it. And so that's funny that Katie and I both just did exactly the same thing there. And it just goes to see that
01:18:07
Speaker
when they're not using really defined phrases and words, and they are being vague, that it can be interpreted. And this is where we end up, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, if I was still in DC, I would just be showing up in his office right now. Seriously, and I'd just be sitting down with his defense and intelligence staffer and saying,
01:18:29
Speaker
What was that about? You know, and maybe, maybe that's what we need. Maybe we need someone to start the phone calls and just ask for clarification, you know, pepper them every day with tens of phone calls until they issue a clarification. Because that's a, that's a pretty remarkable thing to say, whether you're claiming it was notable or not.
01:18:49
Speaker
I'm going to do that right now. I'm going to get in touch with his press person, ask him to define notes, be alarming, but from my knowledge. You know, I'll do the same thing. I'll do the same thing. I'll get off and I'm going to call his office and say, I don't like an explanation of what debris you mean.
01:19:02
Speaker
Amazing, amazing. But this is the thing, you know, these people are put onto these like Fox News CNN, and all it'll take is one slip up from one of these people and like where we can latch on to something really meaty, you know, let's hope that we get that soon. When Joe Biden accidentally led the charge into making gay marriage illegal, you know, sometimes a little slip actually results in policy, you know, it has happened before it can happen again. So
01:19:32
Speaker
Let's get that degree info. Yeah, it was good to have that.
01:19:36
Speaker
to a certain extent confirmation let's say if it is the case because I've been told that you know there's been multiple testimonies from people allegedly involved with these programs and they have provided verifiable information look as I said before the the senate intel committee doesn't wake up one day and said you know what I'm going to get my pen right here I'm going to start drafting this language around UFO whistleblower language that doesn't come from nowhere
Congress and Whistleblower Claims
01:20:02
Speaker
I mean, they've had a good reason to do it, and they have. They've been talking to these people behind the scenes for a long time now. And that's where this language has come from. And you know what? Only more whistleblowers have come forward, and they continue to come forward from what I am hearing from what's going on behind the scenes. And I think sooner or later, a decision will have to be made from Congress. If they are happy that this information is correct,
01:20:31
Speaker
and they've got all the answers that they've asked, at what point do they decide, okay, do we go public about this? And if you do, to what extent do we go public about this? Do we go public about these programs? Do we go public about apparent non-human intelligence? How is all that handled? They're the big questions, aren't they? That's what needs to be worked out.
01:20:56
Speaker
It feels good to be getting there. We heard Gary Nolan speaking yesterday or the day before. He's aware of three people who have already testified. And these are not people we're familiar with in the UFO community. These would probably be people associated with legacy programs to some degree. So, I mean, that's very encouraging. I don't want it to be just UFO talking heads all the time. You know, that's not what we want. So yeah.
01:21:22
Speaker
I'm encouraged, I'm encouraged. Well, yeah, I think we've covered everything there. I mean, we could really dial delve deeper and deeper, but, you know, I think we've covered the basics. And like Katie has said, you know, go out there, read these things for yourself, make your own conclusions, draw your own opinions. And I think that is definitely best because then we can all come together and have these conversations online about the different thoughts on it. And putting our heads together may help us come to more understandings and things. Maybe not, but it can't hurt.
01:21:50
Speaker
I just want to give a shout out to everyone in the live chat. Kay Cara here with the £20 donation. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I don't, you know, beg for these things. So I really do appreciate everything that you guys donate to the work that I do because it all really helps. Katie, Chris, thank you so much. I do. I suppose I should have to give a good shout out to my friend, Lou Elizondo.
01:22:14
Speaker
again for being so free with his time for me to speak about the report and yeah guys thank you so much for being here I really really do value your input it really does mean the world to me as does your friendship so thank you so much
01:22:29
Speaker
So, yeah, guys, everyone in the live chat again. Thank you so much. I'm going to be back on Wednesday with Tom Reed to talk about his work in the UFO field, his sighting and more. So, yeah, come and find me on Wednesday. Hang out in the live chat. And until then, I'll see you soon. Take care. Goodbye.