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Ross Coulthart - UFOs/UAP News & Journalism
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Ross joins Vinnie and Katie to talk about the latest UFO/UAP news and happenings.
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00:00:01
Speaker
Oh.
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:31
Speaker
Welcome back to Disclosure Team. Hi, Katie. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you, Vinny? Not too bad at all. This is going to be an exciting one. Definitely. I am so excited to talk to Ross and get to know him and hear his perspective on all the news that's been happening lately.
00:00:50
Speaker
Absolutely, let's not waste any more time and welcome back to Disclosure Team, Ross Guilford. Ross, how are you? Hello guys, how are you all? I'm so excited to be seeing you again, I suspect it's very chilly where you are, I won't tell you that it's just been a beautiful 33 day here today and I've been watering my garden and enjoying the beautiful summer sunshine, but of course we won't talk about that.
00:01:13
Speaker
No, no, I won't say that. About half an hour ago, I was stood in a freezing cold schoolyard dropping my daughter off just looking at the grayness of the surroundings. Well, if you ever want to come visit in San Diego, you both have a place to stay. I've actually visited San Diego quite a few times, actually. I've got a few friends, a couple of people from the Australian Navy who served in the collaboration with the American Navy. And it's a great town. It's a fun place.
00:01:40
Speaker
Agreed. Agreed. It is.
Media Critique on UAP Reporting
00:01:43
Speaker
Well, we are so excited to have you here. Thank you for taking the time. You have been making the circuit recently, and so we were following up on all the recent things you've been talking about, and I'm just going to dive right in if that's okay with you. Sure.
00:01:59
Speaker
Let's do it. So one of the things that you have been speaking a lot about recently is the utterly appalling response or black thereof of US journalists in the wake of, so to speak, balloon week. And there's been a lot of legitimate criticism that many generalists simply didn't do their homework.
00:02:19
Speaker
They hadn't heard of Arrow before. They didn't press about some of the more alarming statements about censors and an object shattering into a million pieces. And it seems to me at least that what we're really dealing with here is a fundamental degree of UAP illiteracy.
00:02:39
Speaker
And as a former lobbyist, one of the things I used to do was arrange staff delegations for congressional staff to kind of bone them up on topics. And so I'm really curious to know is if you think we need something like that for journalists, do we need to put together a UAP bootcamp 101 and kind of get some journalists up to speed so that next time this happens, they know the right questions to ask.
00:03:04
Speaker
You know, Katie, I don't think they'd listen. I mean, one of the things with the whole issue of UAPs is it's the one area where the media suspends normal faculties for rational objective analysis. It's almost as soon as you stray into the area of
00:03:21
Speaker
UAPs because of the stigma, the taboo that's attached to it. Almost immediately, media just kind of forget about what they're meant to do. They forget about asking the right kind of questions. They suspend their normal judgment and giggle, titter, and completely ignore what their responsibility is, which is fundamentally to hold power to account and
00:03:44
Speaker
to ask basic questions. I mean, my beef about the whole Balloon Gate saga is that
00:03:54
Speaker
think about it. What have you seen in the news about Balloongate in the last two weeks since it was all over? And the reason it was all over is because the media just accepted the assurance from the Pentagon without a scrap of evidence that the explanation for the three hobby, the three objects was that they were hobby balloons or maybe some kind of
00:04:16
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private corporate scientific exercise. Not a shred of evidence to support such a claim. No video, no data to assert the basis for this assertion. There are so many unanswered questions about that episode and it's not because I'm suggesting that the objects were anomalous.
00:04:38
Speaker
But the point that I'm making is that the media have been manipulated to make the issue go away. Largely, I suspect, because the White House has embarrassed the deployed probably about one and a half million dollars to shoot down what they assert are balloons, you know. But I mean, I
00:04:58
Speaker
I've heard the radio transcript of pilots from one of the shoot-down incidents, and it does sound like what they're talking about is a balloon. So let's give the Pentagon the benefit of the doubt. But really, why is it that American taxpayers don't ask questions and the media don't ask questions when
00:05:15
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the president clearly embarrassed and overreacting to the Chinese balloon saga.
Pentagon's Transparency Issues
00:05:21
Speaker
As soon as he's told by the Pentagon that they've turned up the sensitivity of their systems and started detecting other objects, he immediately, in a reflex action, orders the shoot down of those objects, whatever they are. And the media aren't asking basic questions like, why, Mr. President,
00:05:41
Speaker
did the Pentagon suddenly adjust the sensitivity of their systems? If they've known these objects are there, why did it take an incident like this to adjust the sensitivity of these systems? Why weren't we looking for these objects before? Because even if you accept
00:05:56
Speaker
the arguments of the American government that these objects are benign and that we can be reassured that they're no threat. They're not in any way extraterrestrial, which is something, funnily enough, the Pentagon volunteered, the White House security officials volunteered, not the media. Even if you accept that assurance, the implications are that we have a situation where
00:06:21
Speaker
a government is admitting it for the first time in American history has engaged militarily with weapons, objects in American airspace, brought them down. And even though they gave assurances, I was just going through earlier some notes from some of the media reports, and especially with the Alaska object, whatever it was, I refused to call it a balloon.
00:06:46
Speaker
With the Alaska object, officials briefed media, notably Reuters, and you can find this in the Reuters articles, stipulating that they were very confident they would find the object that had been brought down because the sea ice off the part of Dead Horse where this object is located is frozen.
00:07:07
Speaker
So any object, particularly the one they've just shot at, which is presumably not necessarily white, is going to be easily detectable on pack ice, frozen pack ice. And yet we're being told by the Pentagon and by the White House that somehow these objects, all three of them, are undetectable. I mean, that's shockingly bad luck. Gosh, you know, when you've got geospatial satellites, you've got the US Air Force,
00:07:32
Speaker
You've got military troops that can be deployed on the ground, helicopters, search and rescue. I mean, you've got the full resources of the American military, and the most powerful nation on the planet can't find three objects that are the first objects ever to be shot down, all in a period of about one week. In the history of NORAD,
00:07:56
Speaker
And you would think that the public, the media would be asking questions and saying, you know, what were these unidentified objects? Why do you know? Why do you know for sure that they are benign? Why do you know for sure that they're not anomalous in some way? Why were descriptions given to media, for example, that one of these objects in some way interfered with the sensor systems of one of the jets?
00:08:23
Speaker
Why was it that in one of the incidents, the object when it broke apart looked metallic?
00:08:31
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and cylindrical. What possibly could this be? And why can't we find it? And this is the sort of questioning that I would have thought any logical member of the media ought properly to be asked. If I was the, I don't know if there is an Alaska Gazette, but if I was the Alaska Gazette, I'd be deploying my chief reporter to go out to Dead Horse and ask people.
00:08:55
Speaker
Did they see any search mission? Did they see any helicopters? Were there any aircraft flying overhead? I mean, I was just doing some research on Dead Horse today and it's 10 miles from the coast. So there are tracks from the end of the Dutton Highway.
00:09:15
Speaker
the Dalton Highway. Basically you get to the end of the road and there's Dead Horse and then there's 10 more miles and it's the coast and then it's the Arctic Ocean and locals go trapping and hunting in that part of the world. They know all the tracks. I've actually been speaking to a local who contacted me telling me he couldn't see or recall seeing any search aircraft.
00:09:39
Speaker
So I'm just asking very basic questions that for what is after all an extraordinarily historic incident. I mean to my recollection there was obviously the infamous December 7th 1941 Pearl Harbor attack by the Japanese where we you know the Americans were I think what was it 2335 American servicemen were killed in that attack
00:10:07
Speaker
And that's obviously an enormously important day in American history. And that's why it's the political background to why the incursion of these objects into American airspace is so important. But I was doing my research and I noted that there's actually another incident in Alaska, which involved a Japanese zero, which was one of the only other times when a
00:10:29
Speaker
there's been an engagement with aircraft over American airspace. And then, of course, I loved the irony of it, because when I was going back through the history, one of the other only incidents over American airspace is the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, which you, Katie, might know about. Where in the middle of World War II, shortly after the Japanese declared war on America,
00:10:56
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something was seen hovering over the over Los Angeles, the city of Los Angeles, and an enormous fuselage of artillery was brought to bear on whatever this object was. And contemporary accounts from the times assert that it was unable to be brought down, even though artillery shells were seen to explode very close to or on it.
00:11:17
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And it disappeared subsequently, never any explanation for what it was. And of course the official explanation was that they were shooting out of the jitters because of the Pearl Harbor attack and it wasn't anything at all. But even the contemporary photographs of the time show that there was an object there.
00:11:36
Speaker
The reason it has synchronicities with what we're talking about with the shoot down incidents is both incidents show how manipulable the media can be and how we don't ask questions. Yeah. I mean, there's a credulity and during World War II, I can understand it. You know, the media were very heavily controlled. There was a need to make sure that there weren't reports that unnecessarily raised public alarm.
00:12:04
Speaker
Why can't we know about what happened over Dead Hoss Alaska, over the Yukon or the other shoot down that took place over near the Great Lakes?
Political Dynamics and UAPs
00:12:17
Speaker
Can somebody please explain that to me? Why, for example, did the New York Times clearly know, or at least have been briefed by officials,
00:12:27
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before even the general spoke to the White House press corps, assuring them that even though he had no idea what the object was, this is the absurdity of it.
00:12:38
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Even though he had no idea what the object was, he was very sure it wasn't, well, should we pull an idea out of my head? It wasn't extraterrestrial. I don't know where that came from, but why all of a sudden did they start talking about aliens? It wasn't the media that started talking about aliens. It was the White House, and it was the general in charge of North American airspace.
00:13:00
Speaker
And then did you notice how when people like Marco Rubio, Senator John Kennedy started talking about this issue, they weren't talking to the issue of suspected foreign balloons that had somehow made an incursion into American airspace. They were talking about the broader issue of
00:13:21
Speaker
over many, many years, incursions into American airspace of unknown objects. And we don't know what they are. I actually made notes of it because I was so profoundly fascinated by what they were saying. I mean, what have we got here? Yeah, Marco Rubio.
00:13:43
Speaker
Firstly, he came out of the briefing on the 14th of February and at a press doorstop, he said, look, 95% of the information we've been given in the private hearing could be made public without compromising the security of this country. And he said, I reiterate, we know what the spy balloon was from China, so put that one aside. The other three instances, as they are described both publicly
00:14:10
Speaker
I mean, we've heard the exact same description in hundreds of cases, dozens this year alone. So observing unidentified objects over USS base, particularly over sensitive areas of a country is not new. And what Marco Rubio was doing there was he was referring to what we all know about, which is the arrow, the
00:14:33
Speaker
all domain anomaly resolution office has basically alerted the public, the Pentagon, the Congress to the fact that there are these unexplained unidentified objects over American airspace that are being frequently seen by reliable witnesses, military pilots, civilian pilots,
00:14:50
Speaker
They're not explained, even though there are attempts by agencies such as RO to try and find a plausible, mundane, prosaic explanation for them. They're a genuine mystery. And in some cases, again, as Marco Rubio particularly has observed,
00:15:09
Speaker
They're observed often doing things that are completely outside known terrestrial technology. They're doing hypersonic maneuvers, instantaneous course changes, you know, left-hand turns of thousands of kilometres an hour. They've got stealth mode. They appear to drop off radar instantaneously without any explanation. They're trans-medium. They go from water to air, air to water, even into orbit.
00:15:33
Speaker
And perhaps most perplexingly at all, when they put under an APFLUR imaging system, they have no observable infrared signal of heat. They're not showing the normal exhaust or jet plumes or rocket plumes that you would expect from such a highly propelled aircraft.
00:15:53
Speaker
So what fascinated me was that we had this weird game where the media, in a kind of a weird acquiescence to the official line, were constantly trying to dampen down the issue of whether or not there was any non-prosaic, non-mundane explanation for these objects. And at the same time, you had people like Senator Marco Rubio
00:16:17
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clearly wanting to raise and engage with the press on this issue of how, you know, we've been campaigning in the Congress to actually get answers on these other hundreds of anomalous cases that can't be explained. And the media did their level best to try and giggle and titter their way out of it. And frankly,
00:16:37
Speaker
I think the big lesson from the whole Bloongate saga is it underlined how easily manipulable the media are. And that's my brief, frankly, that essentially they should have asked tougher questions.
00:16:54
Speaker
The New York Times has published one article by a non-expert, non-national security, non-defense author who's basically quite legitimately said, is that it? It was a great headline. Is that it? And that's the explanation you get. Yes, even though we said we know what these objects are, we really don't. And more importantly, even though we asserted confidently in media briefings to the media that we were going to be able to find these objects, you know what?
00:17:23
Speaker
We haven't. And you just have to take our word for it that these objects aren't anomalous. And we're not asserting, of course, that they are anomalous. It was the Pentagon and the White House national security advisors that started asserting that it might be anomalous, might be extraterrestrial.
00:17:41
Speaker
Even though they're not asserting that, the simple fact is they have not been able to provide any explanation for why they've reached the conclusions they've reached. Shouldn't we know which hobby group lost these? Shouldn't we have them identified?
00:17:58
Speaker
Yeah. And if I was the editor of the LA Times, the New York Times, or the Washington Post, and happy to take the gig, guys, I mean, I would basically be telling the investigative team, OK, we now have admissions on the record by the Pentagon. The most powerful military on the planet is admitting it cannot explain anomalous objects in our skies.
00:18:27
Speaker
And even though the debunkers and the skeptics constantly say, oh, it's a bird, or it's a swamp gas, or a balloon, or something like that, one can be assured that they've already considered those prosaic, the prosaic explanations, the mundane explanations. They've ruled those out. And so then we're left with, well, what the hell is it?
00:18:49
Speaker
And so when the media, for the first time in history, had an opportunity to question the president, or at least the president's spokeswoman, and the National Security Advisor, or at least his spokesperson, or the general responsible for North American airspace,
00:19:06
Speaker
why didn't they go to town? Because the one thing in media that you can do is hunt as a pack. And you know that when there's a story like this and the government's on the back foot, there's a huge opportunity to really push for the truth. And I was waiting. I was waiting during all those press conferences for a moment when the presidential press spokeswoman or the national security advisor were finally asked
00:19:34
Speaker
Listen, we know that you've got vision that you're not letting out.
Congressional and Interagency Responses
00:19:40
Speaker
We know that there are many dozens of images and videos of objects that your military has recorded. And you're doing it to us again. In this case, you're refusing to release vision that you say is benign, is prosaic and capable of mundane explanation. Why the fuck should we believe you?
00:20:01
Speaker
Why can't we see a hobby balloon? What's classified about that? Yeah.
00:20:07
Speaker
It's strange, really strange. I just wanted to move on, Ross, if you don't mind, because a point that you made recently that I think a lot of people latched onto was this story of a senior Navy commander becoming aware of the US Air Force concealing things still. And that this Navy commander took this to the White House. I just wondered if you were able to expand on this at all.
00:20:33
Speaker
I can't say much about it, to be honest. I'm aware of it. I know it's true. And I know that it's part of a broader battle that's been going on between the Pentagon and the White House. What I can point to is the fact that it was the White House, which is obviously the executive, the political arm representing Joe Biden,
00:20:52
Speaker
that made the political decision to appoint an interagency task force over the head of the Pentagon who wanted everything to go through AARO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. What has to be asked is why did that happen?
00:21:08
Speaker
Now, what was it that made the White House start to lose confidence? And frankly, that's the only interpretation you can make from this. I was told that yes, there is a senior, very senior Navy commander who's come forward and approached the Biden White House directly with information that suggests that the Pentagon has not been entirely open about what it knows on the subject of UAPs. That's all I can say for now.
00:21:37
Speaker
Could I just ask, would that include legacy programs? Yeah. Right, OK. OK, I'm going to ask one more detail. So is it safe to assume that this person may have approached someone on the NSC, like a staffer, that is already working on these issues? Or was it a military attache? Do we have any details I can glean out of you? I know the NSC is aware of it. OK, thank you. I'm not sure who approached who first, but I know the NSC is aware of it.
00:22:06
Speaker
So someone bumped into Jake Sullivan at COSY and gave him the whole.
00:22:12
Speaker
I don't know if the approach was made directly to Jake Sullivan. Apologies too to John Kirby. I've inadvertently in other interviews have been calling John Kirby, Jake. It's so confusing when you've got two people in the NSC sort of spokespeople roles, but yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, I mean, I'm told there is a schism between the Pentagon and the White House on UAPs.
00:22:39
Speaker
And it largely came out of a complete lack of confidence by the Biden White House in the fact that the Pentagon, on its own admission, turned down the sensitivity of its radar systems so as to not detect certain objects. Go figure. If the role of the US military is to protect and defend American airspace, a sacred pledge, especially after the dishonor
00:23:05
Speaker
of the absolutely egregious intelligence failures that allowed Pearl Harbor to happen, something I've made a study of and fascinated by it. You would think that the American military with all of the technology that it's got at its disposal would make damn sure, especially when the Congress has prioritized the research into UAPs. What have they been doing?
00:23:29
Speaker
They've been doing their level best to sabotage investigation into the issue. That's the issue. That's what Jake Sullivan's responded to. That's what the president's responded to. And well done to them. The government of the United States has finally started listening. It's a very, very positive development.
00:23:49
Speaker
And you know what? Not being picked up, of course, by any of those tame, lickspittle national security defense correspondents who are dependent. And this is the problem. This is the way the media is structured. I've been a beneficiary of it myself in my time covering national security issues in my country.
00:24:06
Speaker
If you want to get the feed, if you want to be on the drip, you don't rock the boat. And that goes for the White House, the Pentagon press corps, the intelligence press corps. If you're a national security correspondent, you have to keep your nose clean. You don't upset people. You get your stories vetted. You make sure you're not treading on toes. And for years, the US Air Force in particular has controlled the narrative on UAPs.
00:24:34
Speaker
And what's significant about what's happened with the White House is their appointment of the interagency panel, which was something I should underline, was something that Lou Elizondo was pushing for years ago. You have to ask, why has that happened?
00:24:49
Speaker
And isn't it fascinating that in all the analysis reports that have come out of the Balloon Gate saga, you've had trite observations from national security and defense correspondence about how we didn't want to have the radar too sensitive because we didn't want to pick up all of this anomalous clutter. Why?
00:25:14
Speaker
Why didn't you want to pick it up? I mean, if these things were a threat to navigation, as the president asserts, was the basis for the decision to shoot them down, the three other objects, whatever they are. If these objects did pose a genuine threat to civilian airspace when the Pentagon NORAD command finally started detecting them in American airspace, why the hell hadn't they been doing that previously?
00:25:39
Speaker
And the other thing I would draw your attention to that is significant is the fact that the National Security Council spokesperson also noted that the president had been seeking briefings on the UAP issue since at least 2021.
00:25:55
Speaker
Very interesting that. Now, obviously there was a prime opportunity there for the media to then say, why? What made him start seeking briefings on UAPs? Did you notice how supine and acquiescent the media press corps were in the White House press room when that point was raised by John Kirby?
00:26:17
Speaker
Not a person twitched. Oh my goodness me, I've got to get back home and file my story. I don't understand it. One of the things that I love about American media is sometimes they really know how to take a story to an issue and give it guts. I grew up with stories of people like Woodward and Bernstein.
00:26:40
Speaker
reporters who were prepared to really go to the line and push a yarn and investigate it. And what really strikes me is that the corporatizing of media in the United States has led to a focus far too much on personality and less on the actual story. There's a story here. Anybody, any journo with the assault knows there's a story behind this. The fact that the White House has overruled effectively its Pentagon
00:27:10
Speaker
over its head against its advice, particularly against the U.S. Air Force's advice, it's appointed an interagency panel. Why did it do that? And why has nobody asked that question? Yeah. It's strange as well because we recently discovered that Arrow has been working with three full staff
00:27:32
Speaker
team members, which you assume is Dr. Kirkpatrick and two others, so they're obviously underfunded, understaffed. This is a repeat of the UAP task force and AOIMSG. When's it ever going to end? When is the funding ever going to happen? Are they just trying to take the boxes set out in the National Defense Authorization Act and push it to the side and hope people forget about it?
00:27:57
Speaker
bizarre. Well, I mean, I think to be honest, Vinny, I think what it was was that the Pentagon was paying lip service up until balloon gate. The Pentagon was paying lip service to the demands of the Congress that there be some kind of Pentagon based investigation into this issue. And the fact that they had such a deriserally small task force of people employed
00:28:22
Speaker
to properly look at this issue, many of them working, I'm told, part-time, only delegated to this role as part, as an adjunct to their normal jobs. It was a joke. Now, the fantastic thing is that I'm assured I've actually been talking to people who've been in touch with ARRO, and everywhere I go, ARRO seems to have been in front, as well as the congressional staffers, the oversight committees from the services committee and the intelligence committee.
00:28:52
Speaker
There really is some great work being done and an enormous number of people have been approached and asked to give evidence. Most recently, of course, Bob Salus, Robert Salus has given evidence about the nuclear weapons tampering by whatever this anomalies objects are.
00:29:07
Speaker
But there are other witnesses coming forward with more direct evidence allegedly, reportedly about the program. I've spoken to multiple people who assert that they have evidence about the program and I know at least one of them
00:29:24
Speaker
is either or is about to be in touch with the congressional committees. So it's exciting. It's a really interesting time because I think what the Balloon Gate saga did for the first time was put the issue of unidentified objects over American airspace at the forefront of the news agenda in a way that meant that the White House cannot ignore it.
00:29:50
Speaker
And they realized that this truly, for all the jaw-jawing that's been going on about how this is a national security and flight safety threat, I think the Pentagon's been very readily able to hose the whole issue down as quickly as possible and go, you know, it's not really a national security threat. It's not really a flight safety threat.
Impact of Media Neglect on UAP Knowledge
00:30:11
Speaker
But now, as a result of the Blue Gate saga, we have a situation where the White House is prioritizing this as an issue. And by golly, they are. They really are. They're putting it right up them. And one of the ways they've done that is by doing this, appointing this interagency task force.
00:30:30
Speaker
And it's done against the wishes of the US Air Force, which has been doing in previous months, it's level best to push back against congressional push for transparency. And I can tell you, it's not going to work. And so those people in the US Air Force in particular and the CIA who are trying to hose this whole issue down,
00:30:52
Speaker
there after you. So you've got a choice. Those officials now have a choice. They can either decide to come forward and admit what they know, or they can be excoriated in the court of public opinion for essentially lawless criminal, possibly treasonous behavior.
00:31:14
Speaker
I'm serious. This is really serious. What I find amazing about this is that, again, the US media is asleep at the wheel on one of the most significant stories of our time. I mean, it's massive. It has international implications. I've had conversations with US military officials who talk candidly to me, and I don't know if it's true or not, about a non-human intelligence on this planet. I don't know if that's true.
00:31:43
Speaker
I've talked with people about crash retrievals, about American government secret reverse engineering programs. I don't know if that's true, but people are saying it is. Don't you think it's time to stop the nonsense and start investigating? Now, if you're the editor of a major national newspaper or 60 Minutes, at what point do you get off your fat ass and start anything?
00:32:11
Speaker
I mean, I'm sorry, I just think it's unforgivable. Well, and you hinted at something, Ross, that I kind of want to go back to for a second, because I think it might go above some people's heads. You said that you have it on good authority, yes, that someone might be sharing their story with Congress, with congressional committees.
00:32:32
Speaker
are we to then assume that the current NDAA legislation does not say that individuals with information on these programs can go directly to the committees? What it does say is if a program is confirmed to have been not properly reported to the gang of eight, Arrow has 72 hours to notify those committees. So can we properly assume
00:33:01
Speaker
that we have de facto confirmation that this program that supposedly is going to be discussed with the congressional committees has been confirmed to have not had proper congressional oversight. That is too big a stretch and something I can't assert at the moment. What I can tell you is that I'm aware of an individual who has no confidence in going too arrow as is required under the legislation and who is insisting on speaking directly to
00:33:32
Speaker
the oversight committees. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And I mean, look, I just don't think people realize the significance of this. Unless there's a secret presidential order, executive order somewhere down the tracks, unless Truman or Eisenhower somewhere made an assertion under an executive order that there could be some kind of secret program run to try and
00:33:58
Speaker
back engineer this technology and that it could be withheld from the knowledge of the Congress and the knowledge of future presidents, the legality of which I think would be highly questionable. This is indubitably illegal.
00:34:12
Speaker
probably criminal, a criminal contempt of your Congress. And there are individuals in our military right now who might be watching this, I hope they are, who are probably wringing their hands wondering whether or not they should be candid. They might be concerned about the fact that I'm understanding that a senior Navy commander has come forward to the White House to reveal what they know.
00:34:36
Speaker
You know, we're in amazing times. And the terrible thing is that a lot of it at the moment is subterranean. It's off the front page. And sure as hell, you're not going to read about it in your newspapers because nobody in your newspapers has been allowed to write about the Pentagon. Because that's the situation we have now. You have national security and defense reporters who've just completely lost their spines. Unfortunately, so. Yeah, you're not wrong.
00:35:03
Speaker
With all this talk of legacy programs, crash retrievals, back engineering, and
00:35:08
Speaker
sources coming out saying that these people are having the conversations. We saw George Knapp this week talking about one of his sources, this Alfred O'Donnell, who worked at EG&G. The name Richard DeMato came back into the conversation. But with this whole conversation, has or have you heard any inklings of people actually discussing the origin of these objects? Because that just seems to be out of the conversation a lot of the time. Even speculation.
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah, I have no leads at all on the origin of the objects. I mean, the implicit assumption from everybody that I've spoken to is that they're of non human origin. Yeah. And so you've got intelligently controlled intelligently crafted objects that are not human.
00:35:53
Speaker
you know, I have to leave it at that. I mean, it's funny, actually, I mean, one of the things I'm enjoying in between all the excitement about Bloongate is reading Jacques Vallée's latest volume of his diaries, Forbidden Science, volume five. And, you know, I mean, it's better than a thriller, because, you know, in previous volumes, we've learned about Richard DiMato, who you mentioned, who was the
00:36:13
Speaker
He'd had the same job, by the way, as Christopher Mellon on the Senate Intelligence Committee 30 or 40 years ago. And he was tasked to investigate whether there was such a legacy program. I mean, these questions have been asked before.
00:36:28
Speaker
And even though Mr. DiMato quite honorably is refusing to comment publicly about the issue, it's quite clear from the conversations that he had with Jacques Vallee at the time, and that Jacques Vallee is faithfully recorded in his diary, that he was expressing great frustration and strong suspicion that there was something that was being improperly withheld from the American public.
00:36:50
Speaker
And this is my other concern. My other concern is that everybody seems to assume that if the Congress finds out about it, and if the oversight committees are briefed about it, that somehow we're going to get miraculously told about it through some kind of miracle of transparency and openness and accountability by the US Congress. I strongly doubt that. I strongly doubt that. I mean, the imperative that Chris Mellon is working towards, I understand, and he's always been very careful about stating this, is making sure that
Congress's Push for UAP Transparency
00:37:20
Speaker
Whatever is truly happening is brought within the control and oversight of the Congress. And look, let's devil's advocate for a moment. If you're the United States and you are sitting on awesome technology, propulsion systems that we've never seen before, energy systems that are completely revolutionary,
00:37:46
Speaker
They are, I'm told, potential weapons. They do represent a threat in the sense that once the science is understood, apparently they could be very readily duplicated and some insane extremist nutter could use them to kill a lot of people. So I can see the rationales for why there might be a need for secrecy about the nature of the technology. What I can't see any justification for
00:38:16
Speaker
is why we can't be told about the existence of such technologies if they exist. And that's the issue. That's the nuance. I mean, at one stage in recent months, I was being told by sources that there was an effort to constrain the narratives so that at some stage, there was going to be an admission of a non-human intelligence on this planet.
00:38:40
Speaker
I don't again I emphasize I'm not saying I know that that's true but you know obviously there are a lot of people who assert that it is and the the suggestion was being made to me that they would seek to be a distinction between acknowledgement of a non-human intelligence and acknowledgement of crash retrieval and the back engineering program that they'd endeavor to try and keep that secret I still think that's a possibility but I think where we are at the moment is getting very very interesting because
00:39:07
Speaker
We have a bipartisan push in Congress now. That's really significant. We have a bipartisan push in Congress for candor about unidentified objects in our skies.
00:39:22
Speaker
There is legislation which has mandated that oversight committees be told about things, which Katie, as you quite rightly observe, if they're not properly reported to the Gang of Eight, and just to explain to listeners, the Gang of Eight is a group of people in Congress, senators, congressmen, who are entrusted with America's most valuable secrets, the waived, unacknowledged special access program. Secrets, so secret.
00:39:50
Speaker
they can't even be disclosed to the full membership of the various committees in Congress, and they certainly can't be put in writing and reports. And so what they do is they do oral briefings to the Gang of Eight in a skiff in a secure facility in the Congress building. And funnily enough, there's just been a briefing today to the Gang of Eight on a completely unrelated issue. And I was just fascinated to see the Gang of Eight being mentioned, because it is such a super secret body.
00:40:19
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, truly, if the Gang of Eight has not been notified, and if there's been a breach of the oversight reporting requirements in the Congress.
00:40:28
Speaker
in my country and in yours, that's a serious breach of parliamentary protocol and congressional protocol. It's a, you know, to withhold evidence from the body, which after all is sovereign in your country. I mean, it's government of the people or the people by the people through the Congress. It's not the bloody Pentagon that runs the country. You know, I mean,
00:40:50
Speaker
I don't get it. I really don't get it because I studied law as a boy. And one of the things that you're drummed into you is the power of the American constitution. You know, I've grown up the very weak English constitution in Australia. It's very weak. It doesn't have those constitutional protections of freedom of association, freedom of speech, all of the freedoms that you have enshrined in your
00:41:18
Speaker
There's so much that you should be proud of about your accountability and transparency systems in your country. But if what we're talking about here is true, if there really has been the kind of breach of faith with the American Congress and the American public that we're describing,
00:41:36
Speaker
there has been the most awful breach of the relationship between the American people and their government. And that's truly why I suspect it's not being revealed. There's no good reason not to talk about it. Sure. Don't reveal the technologies. Don't reveal the details of how these weapons might be able to be manufactured.
00:41:58
Speaker
By all means, you know, God, I don't want the Russians or the Chinese having these capabilities. I prefer it was America. But I would prefer that it be done for the benefit of the whole planet. Not for the exclusive benefit of certain aerospace companies and a few privileged people in the military who probably get directorships and positions in those companies after they've left the military. I mean, how long has this been going on for? And I think the White House is starting to ask those questions.
00:42:27
Speaker
No, absolutely. I think you bring up incredible points. And that actually brings me to my next question is, amidst all of this going on in the US, of course, there's the recognition that this is not simply a problem that affects my country. And assuming that Project Titan moves forward as is currently scheduled, we can expect a proposal submitted to the UN in October.
00:42:49
Speaker
October, a committee hearing of some sort shortly thereafter, and hopefully a UN General Assembly vote in December. And so between the three of us here, we have three to maybe four for you, Ross, of the five eyes represented in this room. And so my question is,
00:43:10
Speaker
when we go to the UN, this is going to be a completely different body of individuals. It's not Pentagon officials in the room. It's not intelligence officials in the room. It's UN ambassadors. And so I'm really curious to hear your opinion on how that is going to go, how we might have to adjust our approach to make sure that it is effective and what you see happening in the months to come.
00:43:36
Speaker
Oh boy, crystal ball. Yeah, I don't know about the UN thing. I mean, obviously a previous UN effort failed miserably because it was done through Grenada and now it's being done through another very small country. And I guess the issue is going to boil down to whether the key votes that have the right of veto are going to veto it. And will the US veto a vote in the United Nations?
00:44:00
Speaker
on whether or not there should be greater disclosure and transparency on UAPs. We don't yet know what the vote will be actually voting on from the San Marino initiative. But again, that's a really good question. Why are the media not asking questions about what it is that is going to come out of the San Marino push for some kind of greater disclosure at the UN?
00:44:25
Speaker
You know, why has there not been from the UN coverage that's done by the major newspapers in Washington and New York? Why hasn't there been any effort to actually even give any kind of publicity to the issue? I mean, I think we just have to call it for what it is. It's not just
00:44:41
Speaker
oversight. It's supine acquiescence by the media who know, frankly, that if they start asking questions about these issues, they get isolated, marginalised. And it's time, frankly, for the media to start asking questions about that kind of stuff. And also, I think it's incumbent on the public to actually say, look, I care about this stuff.
00:45:05
Speaker
You know, get onto your congressman or your congresswoman or your senator and say, look, I'm really interested in this issue. I am worried about incursions into American airspace and rightly you should be. I mean.
00:45:18
Speaker
You know, it is amazing. I keep on coming back to the issue that we now know as a result of Balloon Gate that the military of the United States was turning down the sensitivity of its radars to avoid protecting things, which we now know were a threat to flight safety.
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah. Makes you feel really good as an American. Let me tell you. Are you feeling safe, America? Boy, I wouldn't be. I mean, you know, the amazing thing about it is they lit a balloon, which they knew had come from China. And the breathtaking fact in the media reports that I find absolutely amazing is it had a payload equivalent to three buses underneath it.
00:46:08
Speaker
three buses. Imagine the bombs or the nerve agents or the explosives you could have put on an object. Oh, we were. We were Russ, we were all imagining it. And the fact that
00:46:23
Speaker
The media now aren't asking any further questions about this when the Pentagon is saying, hey, guys, believe us, you know, we know what these objects are, but we can't tell you that we can't tell you why we know that you sure as hell can't actually let you interview the pilots. We can't let you see the videos and we can't explain why we know this, but you just got to trust us. Trust us, guys.
00:46:47
Speaker
I mean, why? Why should you trust them? And at what stage does American media and public officials, particularly the politicians, start developing a spine and start asking questions in Congress about this?
00:47:01
Speaker
You know, who's going to take it to them? Because frankly, the lesson of the last two weeks since that incident is that as soon as the I think inadequate explanation came out that we now surmised that these are hobby balloons based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. We now surmise that these are hobby balloons. We don't have any evidence of any recovery operation or any attempted recovery or any successful recovery.
00:47:31
Speaker
But please trust us, we're very sure that they were probably, possibly hobby balloons or some kind of balloon. So please go away back to your little homes and don't bother us anymore. End of story. And you know what? America bought it.
00:47:48
Speaker
That's what worries me about this, that the lesson from previous incidents, Project Blue Book, Richard D'Amato's efforts in the 1970s, the efforts 55 years ago to get some kind of congressional inquiry going under Gerald Ford, all of those failed. And they'll fail again.
00:48:11
Speaker
if you let them. It's as simple as that. If America wants to know, it has to demand the truth. This is a unique opportunity. And the only way that things will happen, because I mean, we've never had, I mean, okay, if you go right back to the days of Roscoe Hill and Carter,
00:48:34
Speaker
I mean, I love my history. I mean, I'm sorry, I'll just indulge me here for a moment. I mean, of course, you had the founding director of the CIA, Roscoe Hillenkohr, a man who at one stage was in a command position on one of your greatest battleships in the World War Two, one of the most respected military officials in the US military, a man entrusted with all of the secrets who'd actually presided over a lot of the early cover ups involving, you know, UAPs.
00:49:03
Speaker
who came out and helped found an organization called NYCAP, one of the early UAP UFO advocacy organizations for transparency. And he made it very, very clear. He believed there'd been a coverup. So what goes around comes around. These things have happened before. Public officials have spoken out before. But I don't think there's ever been the degree of official candor, including from former presidents.
00:49:31
Speaker
who are intimating very, very strongly that there's something to this. And I don't know, I mean, I know a lot of people think that the push is going to come from Congress, but frankly, congressmen, congresswomen, they don't really do anything until the public tells them they need to be reassured that this is an issue of primary public concern.
00:49:55
Speaker
And I don't think they're seeing that right now. And the lesson from balloon gate is just how easy it is to hose the whole thing down by using ridicule. I mean, what media person wanted to continue to push to investigate this issue when press conferences were told that, you know, hey, guys, you know, don't make a fool of yourself. These are probably just hobby balloons.
00:50:16
Speaker
But even then they should have seen the blood in the water because you've got a president of the United States that ordered attacks on hobby balloons with $400,000 missiles. Seriously. And if we knew all these objects, hundreds of these objects are intervening into American airspace all the time, why did we bring these particular objects down? There are basic questions that need to be asked. And frankly, nobody's asking them. That's my point.
00:50:44
Speaker
Yeah. On a separate note as well, we've had the conversation recently about these UAP appearing in active war zones as well. This is another thing that's considerably worrying if these things are happening. What's your take on all of that? Well, I mean, let's start with that. There's the Mosul orb. I've been briefed by somebody who'd seen that video in one of the congressional briefings.
00:51:08
Speaker
And they told me it was an amazing image, and it's part of a video. And the video is even more interesting.
00:51:15
Speaker
I think Jeremy and Jeremy Korbel and George Knapp have made the decision probably quite properly that they don't want to reveal too much about the methods and the capabilities of US reconnaissance systems by showing the video. But what they do show is quite profound. And you know, I've more than verified the bona fides of that video. It's not a puddle of water as some idiot speculated online. It's an object that flew through the viewfinder of the camera.
00:51:45
Speaker
on the spy plane. And it's one of multiple such objects that have been detected across the Middle East. And I can tell you that Australian military pilots on deployment in the Middle East have had similar sightings unexplained, which they've reported to their commanders and been ignored. I mean, at what stage do you engage with issues like that? At what stage does the media go, excuse me, Mr. President?
00:52:12
Speaker
We know that you're talking about what you say are just balloons in American airspace, but there's a lesson from this. The lesson from this is that yet again, 22 years after 9-11, there has been another egregious intelligence failure that allowed breaches by unidentified objects into American airspace.
00:52:37
Speaker
You know, how do you know, sir, that those objects that were sent up weren't testing the capabilities of American radar sensor systems?
00:52:47
Speaker
Is it only because of the focus of good men like Christopher Mellon and Lou Elizondo on revealing the ridiculous failures by the US intelligence community in the military in deploying resources to properly investigate UAPs? Is it only because of their noble efforts before the Congress to actually make sure that there be data collection
00:53:10
Speaker
that starts looking at this issue that you actually for the first time looked properly and started picking up objects that you now admit you always knew were there all the time which do pose a flight safety risk because you shot them down.
00:53:25
Speaker
I would have thought that one of the great interviewers of American television would have had a ball putting the National Security Advisor or the Pentagon General, I forgotten his name, General Van Kewick. What's his name? General Van Hurk, Glenn Van Hurk.
00:53:42
Speaker
Why, in God's name, when people had the opportunity to question these people, didn't they ask them questions like that? Isn't what we're talking about here, Sue, an absolutely appalling intelligence failure? Chris Mellon's been talking about the potential for UAPs to be another Pearl Harbor or another Sputnik event. He's been proved right.
00:54:03
Speaker
So why isn't the American media, why isn't some brave congressman, congresswoman taking this issue and running with it? I don't get it. I really don't. I mean, because it really should be a subject at the forefront of American concern, because we now know that there have been illegal incursions of American airspace by objects, even the American military admits it doesn't know what they are. How do we know that
00:54:31
Speaker
isn't some nation that's been surveilling your airspace with ill intention. We don't. And what's the point of spending trillions of dollars on the world's most powerful military if it can't defend American airspace? I mean, I don't know. I care about that issue. I'm not even an American.
00:54:53
Speaker
you guys, you know, you're our ally, we fought wars together since World War One. I mean, for God's sake, wake up, rattle the cage. The one thing that I admire about America is it's a country that has a history of questioning, probing, digging,
00:55:10
Speaker
What has happened in the last 10 to 20 years to stop people from feeling that they can challenge authority? It's not a bad thing to take a question to a political leader. If you're sitting at a press conference, you don't have to be subservient and submissive. Your job as a journalist is to ask questions that are often making that person uncomfortable.
00:55:35
Speaker
And frankly, it's fun.
International Collaboration on UAP Data
00:55:39
Speaker
Well, and as some of our closest allies, is there a role to play for some ally to ally conversations about this? You mentioned that some Australian troops are having similar experiences. Is this something that you think we need to be addressing at the Five Eyes level more closely?
00:56:04
Speaker
Well, I mean, I can tell you I know from my own sources that there's already extensive data sharing on UAPs between the five IS nations, whatever they say public. And I mean, we have a we have a chief of defense force has given evidence to a parliamentary committee that, frankly, I think at best is disingenuous, because I know what they know.
00:56:23
Speaker
And they're not being entirely candid with the Australian public or the Australian parliament. And so we have a really interesting situation where I know that officers have been orally briefed on what they call uncorrelated targets, why the decision is made to not put these reports in writing, why the decision is made to compartmentalise that information in such a way that senior people and command authority may not necessarily know about them.
00:56:52
Speaker
is entirely up to them. But I know for a fact that there's been a cozy intelligence sharing issue going on between the Five Eyes nations for many years on this issue. And it's also countries like France, which isn't a member of the Five Eyes, right? countries like Brazil, you know, countries all around the world, including even Russia in the good days after the Cold War. You know, if you read the British Condign report that Vinnie will know well,
00:57:18
Speaker
which was a report commissioned by the British government to actually look at the UAP issue. The extent of intelligence sharing after the end of the Cold War in 1989-1990 revealed that right through the Cold War the Americans thought these objects were the Russians and the Russians thought these objects were the Americans and then everybody realized when the war came down that it wasn't.
00:57:39
Speaker
And there was a degree of collaboration in those early days where, as George Knapp's stories in the USSR revealed, Russian officials were really candid that they'd been investigating these UFOs. It was a huge investigation by the Russians. And so I think it's not just a Five Eyes issue, it's an international issue. And funnily enough, that's an issue that I noted Marco Rubio made the point about.
00:58:06
Speaker
You know, he came out of the briefing and he said, you know, this isn't a briefing. This isn't an issue just for the United States. This is an international issue. And, you know, when the media are being told that sort of stuff, why why do they just accept it? I mean,
00:58:21
Speaker
Seeing as Chris Mellon has been proved right, and frankly, he would know because he was a senior staff over the Senate Intelligence Committee in his youth. He went on to become an Undersecretary for Defense Intelligence and Security later on. The statement that he gave
00:58:42
Speaker
has asserted that the Navy has been notably helpful in investigating the UAP issue. And he flatly asserts that the Air Force has remained notably unhelpful, if not hostile to inquiries on the subject. Now, if I was the Biden White House, I would read a statement like that and say, we want to know more about that. What do you mean, sir?
00:59:08
Speaker
And then if they didn't get an adequate answer, they'd go to the Air Force and they'd say, what the hell is going on? You guys know. And why? I mean, frankly, why does the American public put up with a situation where certain arms of the military or the intelligence services behave like they're the sovereign government of the United States? They're answerable to your Congress.
00:59:31
Speaker
And the evidence would suggest that individuals within certain military agencies have sought to subvert the accountability controls that the sovereign arm of your nation, the Congress, have traditionally imposed to make sure that money is spent in the right places.
00:59:51
Speaker
This is why this matters. This is such a serious issue. I mean, no disrespect to your country when I say I'm truly shocked at how your infrastructure is falling apart in your country. Roads are falling apart. I learned to drive slowly in certain states in your country, because there are potholes as large as cars.
01:00:12
Speaker
You know, things aren't being built. And a large part of it is because so much money is going into your military and intelligence community. And in some cases, quite rightly, because of the lessons of 9-11. But you had incidents where, you know, shortly, shortly before the most recent Gulf War, you know, we were hearing from a defense secretary that a trillion, a trillion dollars was missing in the US defense budget.
01:00:41
Speaker
Oh, you want to get into the Pentagon audits. That's a whole other podcast announcement yet again, it's almost become a ritual of passage that every year, the government accounting office makes the observation that they were unable to reconcile the audit for the Defense Department of the United States. Yeah. Why?
01:01:02
Speaker
What could you guys put up with this? Why, when you can't pay the bills for your own roads, when you've got a healthcare system that is an absolute catastrophe, when you've got a homeless epidemic on the streets of your major cities, why are people not asking why their military is given such latitude?
01:01:23
Speaker
I mean, I have lots of thoughts about it, but this isn't about
Challenges in UAP Investigations and Media's Role
01:01:27
Speaker
me. I mean, I think I think in the in the US, you know, we have we have such a reverence for the military. And I think in some situations that's turned into an unwillingness to question, you know, which can be very, very problematic. And I think you properly pointed out. So my question is, when are you going to come over here and help whip some of these US. Yeah, I mean, I'd love to. I mean, the the
01:01:54
Speaker
I mean, I would love nothing more than to be in charge of an investigative team that deploy. And I can assure you that one of the things that is a joy to be part of is when a media organization smells blood in the water and deploys a team of fine investigative journalists to start digging into an issue. I'm really proud to have been involved in some fantastic investigations. And I'm part of a collaborative group called ICIJ, the International
01:02:24
Speaker
consortium of investigative journalists that was set up by a guy called Chuck Lewis, who is the former 60 minutes producer who, who persuaded the guy who blew the whistle on Big Tobacco, you know, the insider, it led to the insider movie. And you know, I've met some of your greatest journalists in your country. And it's a privilege to know fantastic media, you know, you've got a fantastic media over there. But
01:02:52
Speaker
The problem is, as is happening in my country, the media institutions that we've traditionally entrusted to investigate things like Watergate or Iran-Contra or BCCI or shocking scandals in American politics.
01:03:11
Speaker
they don't have the resources anymore to do the kind of dig that we're talking about. And it's funny because everybody seems to be waiting for somebody else to start asking the questions and start doing the dig. You know, we're obsessed with the January 6th insurgency, which is frankly, I mean, why do we need an inquiry to know that there was an insurgency, you know, a conspiracy to bring down the government of the United States? Imagine if those resources had actually been spent on investigating what we're all talking about here.
01:03:40
Speaker
There's been ample evidence provided by officials, former and serving, to suggest that there has been the most egregious breach of faith with the American public, possibly illegal. It's time it was investigated.
01:03:55
Speaker
It's time to put people on the back foot and start asking questions. And the problem is that this is happening at a time when media organizations are being gutted, when the first thing to go is investigative journalism. It's very sad because once great institutions, I don't think a Woodward and Bernstein Watergate style inquiry would be allowed to happen today.
01:04:19
Speaker
That's the tragedy. I mean, The Wash Post is a great newspaper and Jeff Bezos is funding it well. But I do question whether with the nature of the security constraints that are imposed on media these days, it would even be possible to do that kind of a story. I mean, the level of surveillance of media, the level of antagonism of media who ask legitimate questions about national security.
01:04:44
Speaker
I mean, look at, there's a friend of mine, James Risen, who asked legitimate questions revealing the illegality of certain NSA operations against the American public with mass wiretapping. I mean, I think the part of the problem was that a large part of the American public didn't understand the significance of what was being explained here. But you know, one of the most
01:05:05
Speaker
powerful weapons that can be deployed against any group of individuals is surveillance of their communications. What are they saying? What are they hearing? And, you know, you have the most incredible powerful agencies in your government. And I've met good people in those agencies who respect and understand, particularly at the NSA, by the way, who respect and understand that there are rules that they have to abide by.
01:05:30
Speaker
But the big lesson from things like the countal pro incidents where the CIA was caught in the 1970s doing grossly illegal things, that was revealed by the Congress. The appalling revelations that came out of the Iran-Contra inquiry where essentially
01:05:54
Speaker
sections of the US intelligence community was subverting the will of the Congress in order to deliver arms to the contrast to fight a war against the allegedly communist Sandinistas.
01:06:09
Speaker
Do Americans care about those things? That they should. And they should care about any breaches or illegalities in relation to the issue of UAPs.
Ross Guilford's Ongoing Projects and Conclusion
01:06:19
Speaker
And that's why it's so important. It's why it's so important that the oversight committees be properly informed. And I can tell you, they're doing a really good job.
01:06:28
Speaker
And there is a possibility that there may be public hearings. I'm doubtful, but there's a possibility. And there are good people coming forward. I know some of them. And if they tell the Congress what they've told me, it's game over, really. That's encouraging. I like that.
01:06:52
Speaker
I'm very conscious of the time and I know we're limited here, but are you able to tell us if you're working on anything with 7 News or any plans for 2023 to see you back on the screen? Well, as you know, Bryce Zabel and I are doing the Need to Know vodcast and we've got another one coming next week and that'll be done in conjunction with 7 News Australia and it's going to be another spotlight special and what I will tell you is that it's
01:07:20
Speaker
quite incredible revelations from Bryce's experience in Hollywood. More information about the way the Pentagon plays with the media and tries to manipulate what you're told in your movies and in your media. And there's also going to be a very interesting story about what
01:07:46
Speaker
really happened when a very, very senior government official was briefed allegedly about the program.
01:08:01
Speaker
That'll be coming up on Need to Know in about a week's time. And at the same time, I'm also cracking the whip on myself because I've been, I'm honored that HarperCollins USA are really keen to do a update, a new edition of my book in plain sight.
01:08:17
Speaker
And that will be released onto the American market, I think in July, August. And I am writing that right now and frantically trying to get the final draft ready by the end of next week, which is the time they've given me to do it. And that's underway at the moment as well. And in the middle of all of that, I am dealing on an almost daily basis with an absolute avalanche of material that just comes in the door every day.
01:08:46
Speaker
I mean, one of the reasons I get so frustrated about the disinterest of the American media and the UAP issue is because if you look, if you just turn over a rock and start looking, it's such a bloody good story. I mean, so many good people approaching me with solid information. You don't need to get into the woo.
01:09:09
Speaker
to find a good yarn in this area. I mean one thing I've got at the moment is an Australian astronomer who's sent me like gigabytes of data where he has observed through his telescopes
01:09:27
Speaker
weird objects in orbit that are doing things I cannot explain. And the irony is, is that what he's showing me is stuff that I've been sent by other people around the world. And so, you know, the thing I feel quite privileged and honored about is that people are entrusting me as a journalist with with information that I feel duty-bound to investigate and
01:09:51
Speaker
I'm just trying to find a way of funding and resourcing those investigations because I truly believe, like never before, there's such a desperate need for rigorous objective analysis and investigation and skepticism.
01:10:08
Speaker
And it's not being done by mainstream media, but rather than waiting for mainstream media to do it, it shows like yours, Vinny and Katie, that are actually the forward new end of new media that are actually asking these questions.
01:10:29
Speaker
You may not feel like it, but you are the vanguard of the new media that have to probe on this issue. And the reason why you get the ratings you do, the reason why you have the audience you have is because whether you believe it or not, you are the new journalists of your generation. The legacy media has dropped the ball on this issue. They've failed. And sooner or later, they're going to be incredibly embarrassed that they didn't follow the subject matter more aggressively.
01:10:55
Speaker
But all credit to you guys for asking the questions and digging for the answers. I appreciate the vote of confidence. Yeah. Thank you for coming in and helping us to try to unspool some of those yarns, like you said. Great to see you again, Vinnie, and great to meet you, Katie. Likewise. You're quite a hard questioner. You had me on the back foot there.
01:11:18
Speaker
Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. That's why I'm here. Absolutely. Ross, thank you so much. I know you're a busy man. Can't wait for all the stuff that you've got working that you're working on to come out. And I'm sure it'll be very popular. But yeah, thank you so much. Real pleasure. And thank you. Thank you to you and your audience. Bye. Take care.