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Ashley Cowie - Phenomenology Season 2
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Ashley has presented several historical documentary series with networks such as Discovery Channel, History Channel, PBS, Universal Networks, Travel Channel and STV. In 2022 Ashley put together an international team to investigate the mysterious origins of a 400 year old light phenomenon in rural Colombia. The investigation was filmed and released as an 8 part documentary series in July 2022 called 'Phenomenology'. In April 2023 the investigation continues! Ashley joins me to discuss the next steps in investigating this strange phenomenon
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Transcript
Realization of Long-standing Technology
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One realizes very quickly we've been seeing this technology for decades. I had access to all those programs.
UFO Sighting with Multiple Witnesses
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windows, no real wings or control surfaces, no obvious signs of propulsion, and yet this object is witnessed now by four separate individuals and two separate aircraft. What is up everybody? Welcome back.
Festive Welcome to The Disclosure Team Show
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Welcome back to the Disclosure Team Show, the podcast, the YouTube channel, whatever you want to call it. I'm so happy to be here. I have been indulging in the Christmas festivities with my family this week. This is my final interview before Christmas Day, so it couldn't be any better. I'm going to be here with one of my good friends, Mr. Ashley Cowie.
Introduction and Recap with Ashley Cowie
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We're going to be discussing phenomenology,
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touching upon a little bit of what we did earlier in the year for season one, but really going to be going to be digging into season two and what we're going to be looking into come April 2023. The trip is booked. It's going to be super exciting. It's going to be another adventure. And yeah, so. I think I've got everything ready. I'm having a drink. It is Christmas after all.
Live Chat Etiquette Reminder
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Happy Christmas to everybody.
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here in the live chat it's so good to see you guys and yeah as always for anybody here just keep the chat cool calm and collected and be respectful of any differences of opinion and all that good stuff so yeah i think that's pretty much it um like i said this is going to be a really awesome conversation we've got a few things to announce and i hope you guys enjoy it um your questions as always please pop them in capital letters
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I will see them better that way, but let's not waste any more time Welcome back to the show the boss The boss the big man mr. Phenomenology himself my good friend and colleague Ashley Cowie and
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There he is. My goodness, how long did that take? That was painful, Vinny. It was very different from last year, isn't it, before we kind of knew what to expect before season one and the first time of me being out there. But here we are a year on. Can you believe it?
Adventures and Cultural Sharing
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It's almost a year to the day that we kind of did the first interview and we were preparing for
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me and dan and the rest of the team to all fly out and meet in columbia so wow it's been a crazy ride hasn't it how do you feel man having come from
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The imagination for, you know, being here for four or five years and hearing all about these anomalous lights associated with this hill, La Pena du Waica, and then bringing it into some sort of visual format that everybody could enjoy is, it's satisfying to say the least. And to think now that we've got season two coming, you know, that's just righteous. Yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, it was one of the best experiences of my life, absolutely.
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The, I should say there, you know, for the three years prior to us filming last year, we had taken people here and filmed sort of archeological and exploratory documentaries, private and online. And we had discovery down here with Josh Gates for Expedition Unknown filming some of the indigenous tales here, the mythology. But to create this, or not to create, but to be involved with you guys
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doing what's essentially a tour of Colombia but filming it and having a purpose and a point is just, it's so satisfying on so many levels because I'm a bit, you know, you get homesick. I miss the voices, the accents, the dialects, the crack in the UK. There's a long-form answer to your question. You asked me if it was a crazy ride but that's about, you know, the truth is it's really, really life-changing because there are so many new people in our lives here now coming here. It's great.
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Yeah, amazing, amazing. So I guess before we get into kind of going past season one, are you...
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content are you happy with the way season one went and the way that it was received and I'll caveat that by saying for anybody watching or listening this was never about being a money-making scheme this came out of hours hours days weeks and months of Ashley's time and everybody else's time to put out something that we felt was on a level with other
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UFO documentaries
Phenomenology and UFO Community Events
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and things like that. And maybe even elevating it above that. We didn't want to go down that road of the format that we see all the time. So give me your perspective on that kind of side of things, Ash.
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Right, putting my opinion as to what the reception was like to the side, let's talk about the timing. Episode one of Phenomenology landed about, was it in July this year, when there was effectively a UFO community, a meltdown, right? It was called the Great Schism of 22. I remember it was the final episode where we released the lights that we filmed on the top of the mountain, whether
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what they are, let's leave out of this just now. However, we launched that episode and two days later, you guys, UAP Media UK announced the Calvine photo. So phenomenology kind of got lost in what you call a UAP Gulf, but you've got to remember, as I said, when I was on that UFO podcast, phenomenology is much more than just a UFO documentary. We don't talk about UFOs very much, we're looking for
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a 400-year-old anomalous light phenomenon that's been reported in the mountain for at least 400 years. Today, while that light phenomenon is reported as UFOs, if we're not out there looking for UFOs as such, we're looking for answers from both the indigenous cultures here, the Spanish and commerce, their mythologies and interpretations of the lights, right the way up to the last 60 years where they've been talked of as UFOs and now UAP.
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So it's much broader than a UFO show. So it was received in all sorts of different portals really, really well. And the most amount of the audience came from the USA, 60% of the audience came from the USA for season one.
Audience and Marketing Challenges
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bizarrely, like 15% came from Norway and Sweden. So I can only imagine that's because it more so aligns with the likes of the Hisdalen Valley phenomenon than Area 51 or Roswell, right? Yeah, absolutely.
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So it's been received great. In the best terms, what it's done is it cleared costs, because as you know, we're doing all this on a shoestring, which we'll be talking about at the end of the presentation, how much this all costs. Sure. And to have some money coming back from the sales of Vimeo and getting support, it's just great, you know, to actually have a sale and then to have 10 and then to have 100 and more.
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You know, it's really difficult to do that. There's a lot of competition, a lot of junk out there selling really cheap. And we're asking $19.99 for what's essentially now eight episodes. You know, it works out like $1.99 an episode for a half hour on average of media.
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But, you know, we don't have a big marketing budget. This is a grassroots documentary. It's funded by the people that come here. And as I say, they get their 10 day thing in Colombia. They get to see the back end of the country that they won't get to see on the tour bus. And it's half the cost. And it's just great because you know what it's like. There's a bunch of coolsters and we all just hang about doing stupid things. It's great, isn't it? It's not like that. Yeah, I mean, I probably I struggled to put words into how incredible it was because
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It was, you know, it's like you said, you know, it's half the cost of what you would pay to go out to Columbia for that period of time. If you were there as a tourist, seeing that, you know, if you were to book a back country, Columbia tour, all expenses, you'd be paying $5,000 plus. And we got to see the real Columbia. You'd pay five grand for where we stayed.
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Oh, absolutely. I mean, we were so lucky with the accommodation. We lived in a mansion, for God's sake. And yes, it was old, but that was part of the culture and part of the the area. You know, we were in rural Colombia. And yeah, I mean, what that was, Vinny, was a 130 year old post-colonial traditionally built bamboo
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Finca, a farm, a Spanish farm, or not actually Spanish, it was only built 130 years ago so I'm saying it's in the colonial style. Now that route, we had like six and seven bedrooms and they were huge and we had three or four living areas.
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And because we want to be focusing on filming and having fun, we have people cooking, doing all the cleaning, doing all the organizing, but you said it. You have to be prepared for being absolutely buggered at the end of the day and having no shower or a cold
Colombian Terrain and Filming Challenges
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shower. But the soup will be great, right? It's got extremes. We do live.
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9,000 feet on the top of a mountain, right, a very cold one, the Andes, it's in constant motion. So the services, the plumbing, the electricity, the gas, it's out every second week. On average, we'd lose internet probably two or three times a week. Everything's in motion with wet seasons and dry seasons.
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you know, the terrain can swell 10 meters of a difference in the course of two or three months. We're going to come back to that. I think that's quite important. I was just talking
Investigation into Tabio and Tenjo Phenomena
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about there. Absolutely, man. And I suppose, listen, for anybody that may be hearing this for the first time, whether it be here on YouTube or on the anomalous podcast network audio only, could you give us like a two or three minute breakdown of what the phenomena in the area of
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Tenho and Tabio that we investigated. Just give us that small kind of sound bite of what it is, if you don't mind. Of course. So I've got to start this safe with the term local traditions maintain. It's like the start of an episode of ancient aliens, right? But local traditions maintain, and this is thorough, and one can Google this as I'm talking about it, the terms and the places.
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In 1606, or 1608, the first bishop of the village of Tabio, baptized the hill La Pena de Huica as El Cerro de las Luces Danzantes, the hill of dancing lights. Prior to the Spanish arrival,
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The Moisk is the indigenous culture of the Cundunamarca area of Colombia. They call the hill La Puerta de los Dioses, the Door of the Gods. And the reason it was called the Hill of Dancing Lights and prior to that, the Door of the Gods is because people have reported seeing light phenomenon in the air surrounding the top of the mountain. And also on the hill line between Tabio,
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and the hilltop. Tabio, of course, been built around geothermal pozzos, they call them, or wells. I mean, there's the zebra or the rulers, thermal bats are in Tabio. So there's a mountain here, which for the last, at least the last four or 800 years has been associated with dancing lights. So as far as the actual phenomenon is concerned, the oldest known record of it, they were called
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which is the glowing houses because they're reported in the shape of a hut, the glowing huts.
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They've been called the Mohan and the Mohana, representing male and female energies or mythological spirits, a sort of intermediate stage between the Moiska's death and its return as an animal form, the Mohan. The pink lights are the Mohana, the blue lights are called the Mohan. So in a nutshell, the phenomenon
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There is no such thing as the phenomenon. These phenomena represent a bunch of different kind of light or plasma.
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eyewitness accounts ranging from classic oval-shaped golden balls to sprite-like blue and pink lights that interact in the air swirl around each other and then disappear into the mountain. That's quite a big tradition here.
Skeptical Perspectives on Light Phenomena
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And of course all of these light phenomenon and the areas on the mountain associated with the Mohan and the Mohana unite
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are also associated with guacas. Now guacas are indigenous burials where the zeapas and the kazakis of the indigenous cultures were buried with the gold, silver and copper. Now there are guacaros who look for these graves and they claim to follow the lights and where they see the lights, they can tell if it's blue, it's copper. If it's a yellow-orangey light, it's gold and if it's more of a white-greeny light, it's going to be silver.
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And, you know, these guacaros ship hundreds of tons of artifacts a year from Columbia to
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the illegal black market around the world. That was cool. Let's go skeptic for a second here. The skeptic would say it's a load of balls, right? These guys, these guacaros are not seeing lights. What they do is they have an intrinsic inherited knowledge of the farms and of the tiara, the soil. So when they scan along a farm at night with their torches, they can see dark and lighter soils. They know where it's being turned, therefore where someone might have been buried. And what they do is they maintain this tradition of
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And we follow the lights. It keeps the check coming, right? It's a thing. So do the guacaros follow the lights or not? And this mountain is associated with guacaros who go up there and they use explosives and they look for indigenous burials.
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So the phenomenon or the phenomena of the Columbia of La Pena de Huaca since the arrival of the Spaniards has been interpreted as the souls of saints. Local traditions say the blue represents St. Thomas, red represents St. Maria. So there's a rich and thorough set of traditions. When I arrived here seven years ago, I was reading all this, hearing all this and thinking to myself,
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What an amazing story to tell because what's safe about it is I'm not saying I see the things flying around in the sky but everybody around me is and you know what happens to anyone you say to suggest to someone it's climatological or meteorological and it's not a spirit. They look at you oddly and they look around and feel quite sorry for us for not being able to see, right?
Scientific Approach to UFO Investigation
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, since
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coming back well from witnessing what I witnessed in season one to now I've obviously done numerous podcasts and spoken to numerous people about what I saw and you know when I came out there I was the UFO guy let's say and you were you you said yourself that you were quite surprised at how skeptical I was and how cautious I was about judging everything that I saw and let's just say recently in the last few days I
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I was misinterpreted in a way that I believe that the entire phenomena, the UFO phenomena is prosaic based on things that appear in these mountains. And I think, you know, just because I talk about my investigations into what we did in Colombia, that I think there is a possible prosaic explanation to a still very rare phenomena, maybe an earth lights phenomena that, you know, I can easily be misinterpreted to think that this is what I believe can
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you know, on the whole big picture of UFOs. And I'll state right now that that's not the case. You know, obviously the phenomena, the phenomenon and all the things in between are very different no matter where you go. So I'm not done with that. Can I ask you about that? Please. Yeah, please do. Right. So what then to you?
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is the phenomenon or the phenomena of the Tabio Tenho Valley. You tell me what you think it might be having explored it.
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Well, I think going into the investigations and spending the two weeks the way we did interviewing so many local indigenous folk, talking about UFOs, talking about spirits and souls of the Moiska tribe who had committed suicide, and this was them entering another realm or whatever it was, you know, I took all of those different things on board, but tried to keep a rational mind at the same time.
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after witnessing what I did and then since I left Columbia back in the end of February of 2022 and here we are almost a year later doing so much research into similar life phenomena. My direction, I'm not going to say my belief because I don't like the word belief, but my direction is more on that this could
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Probably represent a strange Earth light made up of the Magnetic makeup of the the two peaks that form some kind of high intensity energy plasma That is very little is on little is known about it that it could be really big for science Forget UFOs and everything no matter what this if this turned out to be prosaic. It's still a huge discovery Okay
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So now I think that's great. So then my next question must be, why would you have to feel like you have to justify yourself for offering prosaic explanations to UFOs? Do you know what's happened here? Let's be clear. I think, in my opinion, oh, in my opinion. 10 years ago, it was a marginal fraction of society that would actually open publicly admit they believed in UFOs or visitors from another planet.
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Because there's been such a swell in the media and in pop culture in the last five or eight years, especially since 217, 219, there's a tendency for people to openly confess to believing in such things. However, I don't think the person who demands prosaic or wants to wait on the safe side until that smoking gun of evidence appears is anything but a rationalist. And I think it's required that one shouldn't have to justify skepticism.
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especially just now when there's such a tilt towards the leap because let me just say this and my goodness imagine we're not going to open this kind of worms
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But how many people wish they'd taken a sceptical side to some of the nonsense that is being unveiled in videos of people appearing in court and stuff from indictments from the UFO community? I think there's never been a more important time for people to be sceptical and to look down and inwards towards these mountains, as you say, as possibly the keepers of
Rational Skepticism in UFOlogy
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I hate to use the word bizarre climatology because that just sounds a hocky out of going from spirits ghosts and ghouls and unifos to bizarre climatology.
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I like to do this because I think it takes the whole thing down to earth and leaves a big space for things we don't know. Let's say Project Blue Book and its conclusion was correct and it's swamp gas. Let's just assume for a moment it's a lot of its swamp gas.
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Right, so the Bogota Savannah that we're on right here was a swamp for at least 30,000 years since Lake Humboldt receded and the Spaniards arrived. So wow, we might have a chance of photographing swamp gas or filming swamp gas phenomenon.
Geological Battery Hypothesis
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Wouldn't that be incredible since it's not been done before?
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Now, the other thing that I think is wonderful here is, so Hestallen Valley in Norway, there was a hypothesis submitted about 2014 called the Battery Hypothesis, where? Imagine two mountain ranges with the valley in the middle, one is zinc, one is iron, one is negative, one is positive. So the claim that was postulated was
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under certain climatological conditions generally dry when the ions are warmer in the air and have a tendency to show as light.
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that there is some kind of conflict or some kind of a plasma formation appears between these two mountains. However, the skeptical argument is that a scientist called Bruin who 216 said, this would all add up, but what you don't have is a catalyst in the middle. You would need a river and that river would need to have the potential to charge ions and air warm ions.
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So it got thrown out. Guess what, Vinnie? The thermals in Tabio are sulfur pools. And we have the El Chigu sulfur river running down the valley between El Mahoy and Waika. We have that missing geological component that would validate the Hisdalen Valley being a battery. So what if this is a version of one of these geological batteries as such, where perhaps
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what would normally be interpreted as lightning manifests in a different kind of way, perhaps low in the atmosphere or even really high in the atmosphere, or perhaps it's some form of pressure-caused electricity, you know, when there's the change of the seasons. We're going to have to start what we're doing here because I think the change of the seasons is key to a lot of this. And what happens is
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And twice in the year, it changes from extremely dry to extremely wet. And in the course of 10 or 15 days, we're in the Andes, so all of the underground rivers and chambers and ravines within mountains, they all fill up with water, creating an intense pressure in the environment.
Seasonal Changes and Light Phenomena
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Now, 90 miles west, we have the River Magdalena, the largest in Colombia.
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and it runs over a quartzine riverbed and it's been postulated that perhaps highly charged magnetic clouds in the west are getting blown over and colliding with this change of season here 90 kilometres to the east. You know the climate can change in 15 miles here depending on altitude.
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This happens twice a year so if this idea is right that the change of the seasons, the change in the climatological circumstances causes the light phenomenon, I should be able to make predictions and that's exactly what we did last year and what we're doing this year because all of the traditional mythology says
Planning Future Investigations
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that the light phenomenon appears on Holy Week, especially on Holy Friday. You know, we're now backing into what we're filming. Yeah, but let me just cut you into that before we go into that, because that'll then bring us into what we're doing for season two. Let's stick with season one and kind of, I think the good thing for anybody that's interested that hasn't seen season one is that instead of hearing it from you now is to go and watch it, go watch it. And we'll get into
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you know, other things in the second world. What I'd quite like to do, and if it's okay with you, is just play a minute or two clip.
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from season one not episode one so actually give a little bit of exclusive footage that if you purchase the season this is the kind of what you might see so am i right just playing a couple of minutes just to kind of give them a little uh let me ask you which media source are you playing this on live playing this through vimeo and it's the today is it on vimeo live as we're looking or did you download this
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No, this is my copy of the full season. This is a little couple of minute clip from episode seven, the final episode. When did you download this? Well, I've had this haven't I since. Also, it's a terrible early version.
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I'd rather you played it. I've just logged in to Vimeo. Oh, good. Great. Play away. Play away, Vimeo. Let me shut up. I'm paranoid because if I tell you to go and play it and it's on one of the platforms where you shouldn't be playing it, I'd be like, oh, dear. Yeah, we'll discuss afterwards what you meant by that.
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But, and I've literally, if you've just seen for a minute ago, I was listening to what you were saying, but I was just plugging away here because I wanted to, and I've clicked in a kind of random spot to give people a little bit of a, I'm not, I'm not lined up any specific wow moment, but this is like a little teaser of two minutes of the final episode, which gives a little bit of my, in fact, let's just
Mysterious Light Movements on Mountains
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watch it. So let me just bring this up. Here we go.
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You really do like to announce stuff, don't you? I just I have a way of doing things, man. And yeah, I feel like an old stick in the mud. But let's make sure. Give me a thumbs up if you can hear this. What they are. Everything is light. And this is just one particular manifestation of it that we don't seem to understand.
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We've realized that there are different magnetic charges across the valley as well, so it could just be some kind of strong surge of energy or something that attracts this phenomenon. People talk about portals created by an intelligence. You have to keep all possibilities open until you have data that can say, no, it's not that, because we've worked that out. Look at this. There it is. Look at that. Wow. Look at that.
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Wow. Look at that. Oh my gosh. And what do you think is that? I have no idea. Look, it's glowing. We need to find it. There. There. Yeah, there's just maybe the worst. Where do we go? We can have it recorded with mag. It's a focus magnification tool, Denny, which allows us to see. Oh, there's two lights. No way. Look at that. Look at that. Two lights, guys. There we go. The evolution of the phenomenon from one or two. Look, it's coming off the side. Wow.
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what is that oh my lord we've just seen movement what happened what the fuck was that right on the top that's on the top awake of that one you can have a small light coming out of a large light like that and call it flashlight
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How's that even possible? And you could say, ah, it's two flashlights standing together and one guy's moving away from the other, but it startled the light. I like, I like, I like, I like. Look there. There's lights that I like on the right-hand side. Oh, on the top. Oh, on the top again. It's looking at the mirror door again. I've got it on the camera. Wait, OK. Yeah, there's one right up. Look at that.
00:28:29
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So, so hot, so like nobody knows if they haven't seen it and they've got to get to episode seven to see that, but let me just boom this.
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We, everybody left two days after the filming trip was done officially. Everybody left my house essentially, everyone was crashing here on the last night before the airport, but a few of them were finished. It was done and then Walter left to Bogota at 2pm. Dan left at 6.30pm and at 7.15 we were on our own.
00:29:00
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That, just what's there, it was like one, then two, and then what appeared to be a triangle, then three or four in a wispy sort of shape, and then pulses of a red light. Is that what we saw kind of summarized? Yeah, and I think the most important thing that we need to reiterate to people is that for anybody watching on YouTube now or later, you can see behind me and us right now is a mountain, and that's the mountain that these lights appeared on.
00:29:26
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And right between me and Ash is a flat face that is like a few hundred foot flat face that is inaccessible to humans at all. You cannot get to it. And this is where the light was appearing and doing what it was doing. And so, you know, it was huge. The light, I think we estimated that the diameter of the light was 20 to 30 feet and it was a huge luminous light doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
00:29:55
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Yeah and I think we should quickly say this though that the purpose for the beginning of season two on day one when everyone gets here we're up like the next night because we want to go up with a range of hikers head torches, mag lights, we want to take lanterns and we will film us up there so we can then compare what people look like with lanterns and head torches compared to what
00:30:24
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our film was that we got last year. Yeah, absolutely. This is the thing. We've kind of we've done quite a lot of work already post filming of season one. But what we need to do is show that work in the beginning of season two. You know, it's all good saying that we've done it, but we need to show it to to the viewers and things like that. Yeah. And also because the the skeptical argument to this is
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that it is, it's a group of, say, let's say four or six people, even though we know the police don't let anybody up, it's closed, and if you were hiking, you certainly wouldn't use torches. There's all these anecdotal arguments. However, we're going to go and put four or six thermal trail cams up and around the top of the mountain on day one, so we can film over Holy Week, film over Holy Friday. But we should probably, that's a great place, back to this Holy Friday, it's a great place for us to maybe start talking about what we're doing.
00:31:23
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I'm in no hurry, by the way, I just keep coming back to Holy Friday wishing I could talk more about that. Well, then maybe is it a good time to sort of talk about why we wanted to continue the investigation? Because, OK, I'm going to bring it back a little bit and start from here.
00:31:39
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the reason why you contacted me in the first place to even put together season one is because you were lucky enough to take a few photographs of this light phenomena and you wanted to investigate it fully with a team which we did and we managed to film it so where do we go from there we need to want to we want to pinpoint what it is right okay let's so let's start there so yeah before you guys came for a year
00:32:08
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I fall out at 2.20 or 2.21. I've photographed 19, because we have a house, you know, and it's right on the base of the mountain. It's right there in front of us. So I have a tripod, my 5D, 400mm lens, and every night I'm on the balcony and every 15 minutes or 20 minutes I check 4 or 5 or 10 minutes.
00:32:30
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And on 19 evenings in one year, I saw lights on the mountain and photographed them. Some are blur, some are out of focus, some are exceptionally sharp, some are great, some are really mysterious, some are quite clearly hikers. Why? Because I know the path that goes up, that you know yourself. There's one, there's one.
00:32:51
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on either side of that path, there is nothing, you know, it's vertical as you know. So I can tell, I can turn to my wife and say, look, there's a light just down from the right of the summit.
Predictable Light Patterns and Hikers
00:33:06
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And then I can say to her, I think in between seven and 10 minutes, it's gonna appear and it's gonna be just beside the Montanita, because that's where you turn from the top and face the valley and come down and boom, you can see how your torch is.
00:33:20
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but I've never ever seen what we saw for such a prolonged period in one place and then also what we show is it appears to be moving in different parts of the Mirador. However Vinny, I've got to get right on this, like I don't know, I'm only saying I don't know because I'm trying to fit in with ufology, the truth is I don't think
00:33:44
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I don't think we can even start to conclude that we filmed the light phenomenon of the Taino Tabio Valley until we have what we're going to have in season two is.
00:33:57
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thermal drone with thermal cameras above that mountain the second lights appear because as Walter says, this season he's betting his bottom dollar that we are going to see like a cop documentary where we're going to fly over that mountain and there's going to be four yellow guys maybe with fireworks or whatever else. Whoever Vinny, here's the thing.
00:34:18
Speaker
What then is to be said for the accounts from the Door of the Gods 400 years ago or earlier? I know where you're going with that and what I will say is that we know
00:34:32
Speaker
Like you said a couple of minutes ago about the pathways up the mountain, we have to take into account where you can physically go as a person on that mountain face. There are places on that mountain, even the path that we know or the pathways that we know or you know,
00:34:50
Speaker
They're treacherous enough as it is. So add into that the fact that the mountain is closed to the public, there is a what, three or 400 foot flat face where the only way you could get on that flat face is to abseil, which even in the daytime would be pretty much unheard of.
00:35:12
Speaker
Imagine doing that in the night time. No way. And then the light source that we saw, that we filmed, even the light before it shone out would have been a diameter of 20 feet, you know. So you're talking about someone up there with a light source. No, I must have got to see this. I can't let you say that and know what I know and not tell you this. So we did an experiment in the garden. Just a
00:35:38
Speaker
A month ago we woke up one morning and you couldn't see a thing. It was absolutely piece of fog. So I had my head torched, I have this piece, a hat with two little lights here, like an electrician's hat.
00:35:53
Speaker
And I said to Natty, put this on, and when you go out with Chia, turn around and face me. So she went to the gate about half a kilometer down the drive there. And she turned around and faced me, so I filmed it. And I knew she had two little like Christmas tree lights on this hat.
00:36:14
Speaker
If I had filmed it, those would have looked about 30 feet in diameter, those two small lights. So what I'm proposing to you is, while they look to us to be 25 foot wide, as you say, that might happen because it's three kilometres. So in a misty night, that light could be amplified to look bigger in the valley than it actually is. But again,
00:36:41
Speaker
what then of this whole, why this whole thing that you saw every street sign, every corner shop, every wall has UFO arts, phenomenology, artwork, it has, there's, I mean, last year, 2021, Maria
00:36:59
Speaker
Alvarez just came forward, a 62-year-old retired captain from the Columbian Air Force. She went to the LTMP newspaper and said, we're in my farmhouse in Tenho at the bottom of Penyutu Waikin.
Eyewitness Accounts and Cultural Ties
00:37:14
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Her and her 13 farmhands lay in the grass and watched an oval shaped
00:37:20
Speaker
a light circling muaica for 21 minutes. And she described it as a tic-tac. Yeah, I know. Well, no, let's be accurate. She called it un tobacco, a cigar. And we, which, to all intents and purposes, is the same design. However, they called it tobacco, a cigar. And she said it stopped above her farmhouse for all of her 40 years in the Air Force. She's never seen anything so beautiful because while it emitted a light, they didn't get lit.
00:37:50
Speaker
And they watched shooting off or jetting off into outer space, as she said herself. And she said it was just a wonderful experience. And of course, the reporters were all asking her, you've just taken your entire respected military career as a captain in the Air Force and essentially put it up for questioning. And she said she couldn't live with herself for having seen such a spectacular event around Waikae.
00:38:18
Speaker
So skeptics are all over the thing with this. And there's a TV show here once every month called Mass Ajar. And they report stuff. They go into all the local phenomenon and eyewitness accounts from all over Columbia. It's like an unexplained, a really popular online show. But the skeptics in there maintain again that this is some kind of climatological phenomenon. But what's really cool about Vinnie is
00:38:45
Speaker
If the skeptics are right, it's still absolutely brilliant that phenomenology is going to get there first, hopefully. If it's climatology, right? Let's find that out. Let's see what's going on. If it is, see, it could be the passing of mythology. It could be the archetypes of mythology sprouting up because, you know, the door of the gods, the highest part of the valley, which is closest to the sky, it starts as the door of the gods.
00:39:12
Speaker
So if there's a climatological phenomenon up there that's known as the Mohan or the Mohana, and then it gets passed down and reinterpreted by the Spanish as the saints, the souls of saints, then it's reinterpreted in modern day times as UFOs. So we've come from spirits to UFOs. If this is a case of 400 years of religious thinking and pop culture,
00:39:36
Speaker
leading to a bunch of wrong interpretations for climatology. I'd love to be on the front end of that. I'd love to be on the front end of that. And it's not seeking to be a skeptic or seeking for answers that it's UFOs. It's nothing to do with that. It's more than that. What it is is you saw these people, you have to be gentle with them because all of the locals are 100% absolute believers. Remember the guy that was doing the gardens and did the security the last time. And I said to this local gardener,
00:40:06
Speaker
Have you ever seen the lights in Waikae?" He said, which ones? And I was like, okay, the last thing you do says Danzentes. And he went, he said, the spirits are the Ovanese, the UFOs. And I went, tell me about both. And he said, well, he goes, the spirits linger around the top and they're blue and pink. But he said, the UFOs are white and they go really fast from the mountain into the sky. And you're like,
00:40:30
Speaker
I asked you if you'd ever seen the lights and now you're giving me two really well-threaded, rich cultural traditions from the Tenon and Tabio Valley. Amazing. What have the spirits of, as you say, it's the Moisque people here from the Siskillio Reserve who protect
Historical Light Myths Across Cultures
00:40:48
Speaker
they say that when Jimenez Quesada arrived in 1537 that he... This is the guy that the conquistadors. Jimenez Quesada was the man who either conquistador or the conquester of Colombia, where Cortes was in Mexico and Francisco Pizarro and his brothers were in Peru. He arrived in 1537 in
00:41:13
Speaker
raised the place to the ground with flames and horrid animals and this is where this phenomena dates back to and I have to keep reiterating that because you know he chased 400 of the last kizakis the local rulers and they ran to the highest point in their environment 14 miles from Bogota and there the 400 of them leaped to their death is what the mythology says but I've got to tell you something interesting Vinnie
00:41:41
Speaker
you go to the brown mountain light phenomenon in the Appalachians, there exists also indigenous mythology about suicidal Native American Indians and their lingering lights. So it's not, it doesn't just exist here, these mythologies, but that makes it even more interesting because where you see
00:42:02
Speaker
or where people report to see anomalous lights. Well, look at that. These are the way they're interpreted by the Indigenous people. You know what it's like. These guys love working with us, the Indigenous community here. They had us working for them in season one. We built a well. But listen, I think this is a good segue to kind of
Season One Availability and Audience Gratitude
00:42:24
Speaker
for anybody that's interested in season one it has been on Vimeo you know since July but we have now as of today about what half an hour ago we're now offering it with a discount so if anybody has still not seen it but is interested you can go to the description below
00:42:44
Speaker
You can find it with a discount code, a 25% discount code, and go and check out season one. Episode one has also just been released on YouTube for the first time on the Phenomenology YouTube channel. So please, please go and check that out and go and subscribe to the channel.
00:43:02
Speaker
Um, but one, one thing I'm going to do right now, which I don't do that often is just going to spend two minutes going through the live chat right here, just to give everyone a shout out because it is the Christmas holidays and you're all spending time. Can I tell you something? Remind you just in case you've forgotten, I've got this thing, this presentation thing here. Yeah, dude, we're going to go through it. Oh, we've got, there's no time limit on this. No, I just wondered if you completely forgot about it and you tried to buffer for time.
00:43:29
Speaker
No, not at all. I'm gonna do a job and let me get that out of here. Oh, Ash, I love you so much, brother. This is the thing. Before I do this, thank you to everyone being here. Ash, we got to know each other so well when we were out there that we literally, we spent so much time since. We've been out to Scotland together since. We've done so much together. We speak all the time.
00:43:58
Speaker
oh friends reform this like you know it's not just you and me it's me you Dan Walter the whole team are still very much in contact it's because we're we don't mind telling each other to shut up you know yeah exactly that's the beautiful thing about it
00:44:14
Speaker
Listen, I want to give a shout out to you guys. So I'm going to go from this list here. My very good friend, Lara Paranormal Pixie. Thank you for being here. Just a list that you're a love you to bits. Andre always here. Anybody that you know, I don't shout out. I'm just going through a small list. But thank you for being here. My list to stop scrolling. What's going on?
00:44:39
Speaker
Lickety X splits or lickety splits. You mentioned in a comment that you'd only just come here because you found us on Chris Leto's channel this week. Thank you so much. And this is why everybody that's new is so welcome here. Thank you so much for being here. Jay Allen, you're always here asking great questions in my interviews. Fusey Electron or Fuse Electron, however you say it. Thank you so much for being here. I don't want to miss anybody out. George Hernandez, good to see you. Jason Fay,
00:45:09
Speaker
My brother, lovely to bits, man, George Hernandez. Thank you so much for being here, guys. I just want to shout out you guys, because I know when I do these interviews that it's like starts into, into, into your finishes. And I don't give you guys maybe enough kind of shout outs or positivity or, or, you know, I don't say thank you enough, but it's Christmas. And I just wanted to say that, you know, I've been doing this for a year and a half now and you guys are the reason why I'm still doing this. So, um,
00:45:39
Speaker
Thank you so much, guys. Thank you so much for being here. And to everybody that listens after the fact, you guys are just as important. And anyone on the anomalous podcast.
00:45:51
Speaker
You guys rock too. Going to give one more shout out. Beardy Weardy, thank you so much. Mr. Strafe Wilson is here. Strafe Wilson was with me and Ash in Scotland earlier in the year. But yeah, guys, thank you so much. And oh, I see Mr. Walter Payne in the chat. Is he there? Is he? Walter's in the chat. Walter was with us in this endeavor. Walter represents the team's hard-nosed skeptic, and he's having none of it.
00:46:25
Speaker
Alien Girl, one, one, one. Thank you for being here. A veal, Stretch Batchelor. Thank you so much for being here. Stretch, as he found, is from Chris's channel. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you. It really means a lot. I think this is a good segue now to jump into...
Community Interactions and Reflections
00:46:41
Speaker
See, before we do this, because you mentioned them two or three times, can I quickly tell you my Chris Little story?
00:46:49
Speaker
oh dude let me tell you this so a year ago i woke up on the wrong side of the bed right and i put on youtube and i saw this thing going on by the way as well that's my other brother i'm sure he is i have no interest in what relationship you have together because i'm going to tell you this story impartial as to how it was i woke up and he had said something
00:47:11
Speaker
And I never ever engage at all in social media debate. I sometimes feel like it, but I just, I rule, don't. But I broke my rule this day and I hammered in. And I was having a right old goat, Chris, in the most immature, embarrassing, worst version of myself. And there I was. And do you know something happened? I was kind of holding it together being mannerly when I was, you know, when you're telling someone, you think they're an arse.
00:47:38
Speaker
but you tell them look in my opinion and in the utmost respect you're a twat. It was like that and I didn't get a chance because essentially a pack like
00:47:49
Speaker
a pack of werewolf-like Chris Leto fans saw me off. I was like a wolf around a sheep. They saw me off and I woke up the next day and for the next three months I was watching stuff Chris Leto did. Now listen to this. Do you know what I've got now? Look I even have that written down. Look my Chris Leto story.
00:48:08
Speaker
because I felt so guilty in realising he's actually a really nice person. Whether you agree, disagree, whether you're different, he's a consistent fellow and there's not many out there. And I just felt awful. So Chris, shout outs. Sorry about that.
00:48:25
Speaker
Well, this is a thing like myself and Dan are ambassadors for UAP society. I'm very good friends with Chris, just like I'm very good friends with you, you know, and Chris is nothing but 100% supportive of the work that we've done in Columbia and the work that's coming up. So I think, no, no, I think when you realized that it was, um,
00:48:49
Speaker
I mean, I didn't see the conversation, but I'm sure you weren't a complete dick. I mean, no, there's a high chance of wars because I have no, I have no guilt. Of course I have guilt, but this is one of the ones that every time you maybe see something or he's doing a new thing on Instagram and you see it, you go.
00:49:07
Speaker
you know you get that draw that we anxious thing and a bunch of them builds up to nervous disorder but i do i get that draw breads when i think about the next i was probably a dick that day you're just trying to soften out so good i am trying to soften it and it's i'm just trying to be a realist in the up with it with the utmost respect to the truth and me being a dick that day rather than anything about chris himself
00:49:27
Speaker
That's what I thought. Absolutely. And that's fine. That's a cool story. I didn't realize that you knew each other. I've never seen them on your show. I must look back. Chris, I've had Chris has been a guest a couple of times on my show. I've been on his show a couple of times. But, you know, it's an honor to be invited by him earlier in the year to be a part of UAP Society, to be an ambassador for his group and Dan as well.
00:49:51
Speaker
And it's great. But one thing that I think that I'll finish with this part of the conversation is that that's the beauty of the UFO subjects is that we can have differences of opinion. And even though you might consider the fact that you acted like a dick, as you say, I'm sure it was just passionate.
00:50:07
Speaker
differences of opinion. I'm sure you're not a troll. I know that. Can you just let it be that I was a dick and stop trying to soften it? You're a dick. I'm not like that all the time. It was an instant. You know, let's not judge me on the exception. Let's stick to the rule.
00:50:22
Speaker
you see everyone that's listening and watching, even the boss, the big man of phenomenology is human, he's human as well. The big man of phenomenology who represents less than 1% at least minimum maximum of season one deliberately
00:50:39
Speaker
I've filmed it, I've filmed it and enjoyed watching all of you do dangerous things and I was in it, I popped in a few times but I'm going
Excitement for Season Two
00:50:47
Speaker
to join the team. We have other people filming it this season too so I'm going to be definitely in there with you in all of the places we go and all the things that we're trying to do. There were so many times when we were interviewing people and maybe at the top of Mahoy or at the top of Waka we were in dangerous places doing cool things
00:51:04
Speaker
I felt really, really down that had a 35 kilo, 35 pound of camera equipment on my back and my old knees were breaking and I wasn't really able to, but this year I'm going to be springing like a deer with y'all up those mountains. I say, do you know what? I guess one huge piece of respect that I have to throw your way is that there were certain things captured on camera of me because, you know, I like my wine. Oh, yeah.
00:51:35
Speaker
Vinny has a... Go on, go on. No, I'm going to say it. We've not... In the last year, we've filmed more than once on different projects and on each occasion, Vinny starts... There's always a day where he goes, I'm not going to get pissed tonight. I'm just going to have a bottle of wine. And you're like, I used to get really pissed tonight and have three bottles of wine.
00:51:59
Speaker
and he never lets us down but there's this funny thing that happens with Vinny because he's not one of those aggressive drunks it's like the big teddy bear drunk so what happens is i forget he's pissing it up after two wines he's like you have never met anyone like him he's like the father you always wish you had right and then and then you're like oh my god i wish i was this kind of lit and then you see him after four and it's
00:52:23
Speaker
You were on the couch arguing with someone about all this. Remember the UFO argument with Gordo that you had last time we filmed? Dude, I love it, man. To me, it was great. This guy represents. This is the thing, after a full day's work or a full day's hiking up a mountain,
00:52:41
Speaker
and with a couple of glasses of, I was going to say, Colombian wine, but it isn't because you don't get Colombian wine because it's all Chilean and stuff like that. You get it shot here because of the altitude, right? So you could eat 30% less pulmonary metabolism.
00:52:58
Speaker
Yeah, so a beer or two beers, but what happens too is, as you know full well, is the hangovers are unbearable. You're unbearable. You can't do the hangovers. You need to spend almost the whole day in bed, don't you Venny?
00:53:14
Speaker
You do. I had a moment. But listen, sometimes you might have to stay in bed so long that we have to get a taxi to the railway station with your jacket and bag that you might just forget. Yeah, but that's Scotland. That's a whole different ballgame. Scotland, Columbia. Indeed. Let's move on to...
00:53:38
Speaker
post season one, we spent the last few months season one came out on weekly episodical releases. It was great. I really enjoyed
Episodic Release and Editing Challenges
00:53:49
Speaker
it. I love the way you did it. I love the way that me and Dan and the rest of the team didn't know what to expect. I think that was really awesome. Ash spent months and months of his life, hours and hours, days, weeks, months.
00:54:05
Speaker
busting his butt to get this season edited and out. This is all his work. And in my opinion, it was top notch. No, it's only now it is Vinny because there was a balls up in the process of transferring from the editors to the different platforms, Vimeo than the different ones. So I would say it's only now that I can agree with you there in its entirety because
00:54:30
Speaker
It does. It's beautiful. It looks the business now and it shows the entirety of what we did off just perfect. And I don't what you would know. Did you see we got a really negative comment today?
00:54:42
Speaker
no i didn't i don't read comments most most of the time no i need to tell i need to tell you what this is it's it's no it's not a bad one it's it's a negative intro with a with a positive extra the person watched episode four of the meal on demand and they said
00:55:02
Speaker
You just debunked the blue light phenomenon, but yet you didn't supply drone footage or Google Maps to show where you guys think that transformer was. He goes, that is a shallow way to end and you had no right to debunk it. And you know, I thought you're absolutely right. Yeah, yeah.
00:55:22
Speaker
Just as I say, no. There you go. No, no. But that's something we will learn from and take forward. You know, this was season one. This was new to everybody. And that's fine. But the one thing I will say is that we could have sold this to a production company and lost all creative control. We could have put this out to
00:55:45
Speaker
a Netflix and it also could know what any conversations had where we could have sold this in early days all walked away with a nice little tiny bit of money in our pocket and gone hey but we didn't because of the passion so no you're saying that as if you don't throw that away for at least a year before this i was pitching this to producers in in los angeles and i i got really in thick after two or three months and
00:56:14
Speaker
I don't know if you know that world, but there's a layer within production called development producers. They come in.
00:56:24
Speaker
and they are tasked with speaking to people like me who might have ideas for new shows that they can pitch to generally discovery history or net geo.
Sensationalism and Financial Clarifications
00:56:35
Speaker
And I was writing deep with this phenomenon. And guess what happened? Skimwalker Wrench came out the second or third episode of that and it started to catch fire. And this is what happened, Vinny.
00:56:46
Speaker
that development producer came back and said she started saying to me that if we pitched it as if it was skinwalkers in Colombia we're good and I was like yeah if we did I'm sure we're good but I have to live live with this come on now and I could see it imagine Vinnie and Dan running about with electrometers you know
00:57:09
Speaker
rubbing it past their phones and getting them going off and I just couldn't do it. So we pulled back and I came out with a development contract and then after that I emailed you and said you want to make a documentary grassroots and like just see how it goes and have fun doing it and would you come to Columbia and then you said yes. So then I went told Mr. D's Armstrong and said well I've got a buy-in from Vinny.
00:57:31
Speaker
and they said to Dan is do you have the balls enough to come to Columbia knowing that I had you as if any certainly does and then within four days he did his go fund me and he raised almost two thousand dollars to get up here so that's how dang good here it's great yeah absolutely man so anyway what do you want to do now then well just i'm going to make one statement and you don't have to chime in on this but
00:57:56
Speaker
the only outsourced financial help that was made for this series was to get Dan here. Dan, with Andy from that UFO podcast, put out a post to their followers of that UFO podcast to get Dan out here. They raised $2,000 that paid for Dan's trip and everything. There have been rumors, and I'm only gonna literally spend a second touching upon this, but there have been rumors that
00:58:23
Speaker
Tens of thousands of dollars were raised and that that money was made raised to pay towards the production of this production for season one. That is not the case. All of the money came from Ashley's own pocket. That's it.
00:58:42
Speaker
And we don't even have to go into that. I just wanted to put that out there because conversations have been had on the Internet and social media and all that nonsense. And that's it. That's all I'm going to say about that. And you know, but what you're saying is I'm not allowed to comment on that.
00:58:57
Speaker
Yeah, but dude, we could just talk about that for hours and let's not give them the benefit of even, you know, highlighting the nonsense, if you know what I mean. I totally know what you mean, but I totally get you. I'm going to go. Go on, you got 30 seconds. All right, good man. So I was dying there.
00:59:14
Speaker
I too watched all these things because what you're doing is you're watching UFO channels thinking oh maybe I should send that guy a discount code because if he watched the documentary or maybe he'll give him the first three episodes and all these people that I had listened to for the last two years and loved all the different podcasters the quirky ones the straight ones and all of a sudden a few of them started talking about phenomenology and started brandishing numbers about and I was just you know it does you're looking at it thinking
00:59:45
Speaker
The reviews are on something that doesn't exist. £16,000 and £20,000. My good Lord, I wish, I'd love that. My wife and I's plan is we do an archaeological kind of documentary every year and we fly people here and we don't tour, but we do adventures with people, six and eight people at a time, twice a year sometimes. And we just decided to do UFOs this year. And my good Lord,
01:00:09
Speaker
apparently one's not allowed to try and make cash in this industry in this in this zone so we hope to make money in the future on sales and video in the seasons you know that means that we break even with you guys coming on the production which you're going to see the cost of we're about to tell everybody what it is we want people to come but we hope to make a few dollars in selling video over the future if it keeps going you know absolutely man
01:00:34
Speaker
But anyway, because let's get on. But yeah, there you go. We just we were an hour in. And one thing I wanted to say is I wanted to be sneaky and surprise you. And I invited Mr. Walter Payne to join us. But he couldn't. So I put that out there. But he he has messaged me saying that he is streaming this to his family right now. Great stuff. Which is cool. Do you know what? I bet he's got a brother called Max.
01:01:02
Speaker
So, Willa, shout out Walter, Max. No, no. Max, I'm just, I was a reference to Max Payne. Walter and your family, if you're watching this right now live, shout out to you. We love you, brother.
Anticipation for New Team Member
01:01:14
Speaker
We can't wait to hook up with you again in April, 2023 for season two. Yeah. And, but listen, let's get in to season 2022. Let's jump straight in to what you have planned for us, the team. I'm going to share my screen and we're going to get into the
01:01:30
Speaker
expedition itinerary or we could announce one of our new team members who has been here in this live chat the whole time. All right. No, I want what we're going to do is we're going to announce her at the end. OK. All right. So I'm going to share my screen right now and we're going to literally talk you guys through what we have planned for season two on a day to day basis.
01:02:01
Speaker
Yeah, a kind of day-to-day basis, loosely. Now, what are you sharing? You're sharing your screen, you're telling everybody. Yeah, I've got your website right. I want to share my presentation here. Let's go with yours, dude. Come on. Amateur, Vinny. Amateur.
01:02:16
Speaker
the fifth
01:02:31
Speaker
I have everything set up around me, but dude, let's go for your screen, man. Do you know what I do from time to time? I look to the right like that, and then I look over to the left, and then people think I've got three monitors. I've actually got a cup of coffee and a plant, you know? That'll be like that. It works, man. Don't break the enigma.
01:02:55
Speaker
So go and share your screen. I'll see it pop up and I'll bring it up. OK, two texts. So if I minimize my StreamYard feed with you. Oh no, I can't do that. I must bring StreamYard up, go to the bottom, click Present. Present, share screen. Here we go. All right. I'm going to press that and share. Here we go. Can you see my screen? I can see it like a, yeah.
01:03:25
Speaker
there we go is this better full screen it dead that is absolutely perfect look at that really good phenomenology s2 dude you didn't even know i didn't even know you'd done this as you know i always do that to every week i like to drop something else that i never told you anything about like this guy is the red bullshit one
01:03:49
Speaker
Man, I never stop learning about you, mate. That was funny. If you don't ask, you don't get to know. Yeah. Right, so here we go. So Phenomenology Series 2 S2 team of UAP investigators.
Defining UAP and Season Two Focus
01:04:03
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And of course UAP for us stands for unidentified anomalous phenomenon, of course. Thank you.
01:04:11
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Thank you for saying that. Has to, doesn't it? I've always. Yes, I've struggled with this so much because if I'm in my garden at night with a telescope or a tripod with the camera and I see a light against Waika, I can't call that an unidentified aerial phenomenon because I don't know if that's in the air or in the ground or you know. So but this is wonderful anomalous. Yeah, let's do it. Right. So here we go. I thought I'd do this for a series. Wow.
01:04:43
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Right, so on the left, I'd put that in for fun. This is the Tenho Tabio UFO monument. It was built 23, 25 years ago, just as I said, as a monument to the UFOs and UAP and the phenomenological light phenomenon off the Tabio Valley. So that was there. We're going to go film at that for fun. There's going to be three aspects to season two. We're going to be looking at mythology, phenomenology, and archaeology.
01:05:14
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Now I get to talk about my Holy Week. Imagine what it does to one's head when so many people locally and so many accounts talk about these loses tanzantes or rancitos luminados, mohan, mojana, el incanto, the charm, the lights could be so many and they talk about this occurring on Holy Friday. Now if I need the problem with that being
01:05:38
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Holy Friday is a date appointed on the Gregorian calendar. It's not very new, several centuries old. So why would a light phenomenon occur on a relatively modern Catholic Holy Day? I don't think it does. What's happening is the Catholic holiday, the Holy Friday, the Holy Week is overlaying the change of the seasons from dry to wet.
01:06:05
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the beginning of the first wet winter, if you like. So what we're going to be doing is we're going to be interviewing a mythologist, a famous old man, he's in his 80s now, and he was the guy in the 60s who recorded the cheap chat of the Moiska mythology that, on Holy Friday, two rocks at the top of Wyke open to reveal the charm Ellen Canto, which are the lights,
01:06:29
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and if you follow the charm on Holy Friday it'll lead you to buried indigenous treasure. So the mythology is on Holy Friday and Holy Week the mountain opens, reveals its lights and they indicate the whereabouts of buried indigenous treasures. So we're going to explore, we're going to interview a guy who recorded those myths, two of them he recorded,
01:06:51
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and he got it from Rhysus Moiscus, so these are modern-day Moiscus with traditional heritage, and we're going to explore that, the mythology of the lights, but we're also going to be hitting the road and we're going to be going to the planetarium. I don't want to tell you the itineraries now, but phenomenology as a standalone, a theme throughout the series will be this.
01:07:15
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Edmund Husserl in the late 19th century founded the philosophical scientific movement of phenomenology. Phenomenology was a response to Cartesian sciences, which defines the universe by objects, how fast they move and how far away they are. Phenomenology bases its scientific conclusions purely on the experience and the structures of consciousness of an observer.
01:07:45
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So by interviewing 50 observers to a phenomenon, a phenomenologist would claim to be closer to the truth as to what that phenomenon is than the scientist trying to approach the answers from tables.
01:08:04
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and a Cartesian method. So phenomenology is always looking towards the experience of the person. So we're going to be interviewing geologists, we're going to be interviewing astronomers, but we're going to be interviewing them about their opinions on what these phenomenon are and we're going to get it from there. I call it a logical approach. I'd love to hear
01:08:27
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rather than more ufologists that we interviewed last time I want to hear about people that might bring a different phenomenological interpretation to the thing whether we're barking up the right tree thinking it's to do with the change of the seasons or whether because there's this idea I have that it comes with the change of the season
01:08:46
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that brings with it a change in temperature, so it could be something to do with temperatures. It brings about a change in high altitude lightning phenomenon. It brings about changes in the structure within the valley itself, so there could be all sorts of things that we're going to get from, as I say, geologists, climatologists, we've got two interviews set up. So moving on from phenomenology, looking at actual
01:09:09
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what people see in scientific terms, archaeology. One of the principal reasons for everybody coming is we're going to be going, I'm going to show you, we're going to be going to some really iconic Colombian archaeological sites and I'm going to be showing the story, we're going to be telling the story of the Moiscus of the pre-Columbian rituals that were conducted at Lake Guatavita.
01:09:36
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I know it's incredible. I'm going to show you a picture of it. But the reason we're going there is because on our kind of the second last day of the expedition, I'm going to be taking everybody to.
01:09:45
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going to be the big one next year for me for a long time. We're going to an archaeological site that a friend of mine initially discovered with
Exploring Colombian Sites and Rituals
01:09:55
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an indigenous guide and I've been working there with him for the last three years and we are going to now announce this to the world you know here we go I'm going to come out with one of these classic cheeky hooks and
01:10:08
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You're just going to have to sit in your arses and wait for the data. I'm not going to be putting any evidence out yet. I'm not going to be talking about what it is, but we're going to be filming an undisclosed, hitherto unknown archaeological site with some really, really interesting associations with the phenomenon in the valley with El Cerro Mahoy, the opposing mountain to Waika, the home of the male Mohan blue light. So archaeological story being told throughout the whole thing.
01:10:35
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Sounds really complicated, but when you see where we're going, it's going to become really clear. We're going to tell, we're going to begin with the mythology, we're going to get into the phenomenological aspects, and we're going to end with the archaeological discoveries and conclusions. Let's go. So, Luke, did you say thanks to the, who's the, was it Pixie? Yeah, Lara.
01:11:03
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This was painted by Lara and sent us. Beautiful. Look at it, with the three lights around the top. Absolutely stunning. So thank you, Lara. What I've done is I've shown this because for the first two nights when you're here, the Thursday, Holy Thursday, and Holy Friday, we're going to be observing La Pena de Huacam. This is on the right-hand side and indeed the picture on the left. This is the view or the aspect that we're going to have from our property.
01:11:31
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I've seen that picture on the right there, the picture on the left is on the interpretation of the lights, but on the picture on the right, this is one I took in 2021, Vinny, and it was suggested by a skeptic recently that, not recently, years ago, that perhaps the phenomenon that's witnessed on the top of Waikab
01:11:50
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is because people are standing deep in the valley and they're looking up at quite a gradient and maybe what they're doing is seeing a star through the tree line, maybe Venus, so Venus was postulated as a potential light, a sort of contender for what people have been seeing. So what I did was look at this on the right there, that picture, I took that picture at night with that's Venus in the sky and look at the tip of Waikae, Vinny. Yeah, oh yeah.
01:12:33
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I have it here in physical and it's actually a prize for the charity raffle that we're doing with UAP Media UK. And I can tell you right now is a beautiful drawing, but in person when you unfold it and see it in person is there is so, so special. So for everyone out there. Can you take it with you? Take it with me where? Here.
01:12:39
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I recognize that.
01:12:56
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no because it's a prize in our uap media charity raffle christmas raffle because it's that good it's like one of the main prizes i'll give you 20 quid for that get it out the raffle nah man it's worth a hell of a lot more than 20 quid i'll tell you that okay i'll get a print and we've got the original it's worth way more man so one lucky winner and i'm not going to get sidetracked too much but one lucky winner is going to uh
01:13:21
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I hope I'm going to enter it. Would that do? Please do go to my Instagram and check out the post I put out about that. But you know, I want it. All right. Cool. It's beautiful. Anyway, moving on. So that's the interpretation of life. But there's the real thing on the right. There's an example of what we photograph here.
01:13:42
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As I say, you know what's really funny? Oh, no, let me not even go into that. I wanted to show this. So we're in Tabio, you know, here is Tabio. That on the left is there in the bottom is Tabio in the valley at the entrance to the valley. And there's La Pena de Waica. So it's easy to see why the residents of Tabio report these lights. Can you see my mouse, Vinny?
01:14:05
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Yes. All right, nice one. So let me show you here. Here are the thermals, the tabiothermals with the the the zebra or the ruler from Bacta once every six months would come here, do homage to Waika, the goddess of the moon on the top of Lapenya to Waika, and he'd come down here. Now those this see this line here, this long line from the nipple on the top of Waika.
01:14:29
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If you go onto Google Maps and have a look at that, it's called the Ruta de los Ovenes, which is the UFO road on Google Maps, because the lights are seen here. And the lights are seen here. Are you still there, Vinnie?
01:14:47
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I am, I'm trying to deal with the chat at the same time, my apologies. No, it's just when you go quiet, I start getting nervous because I'm like... Just look at the screen, my eyes, I've got my chat to my right and I've got another screen to... I'm looking at a whole screen presentation, so I'm out here lost in the ocean on like a canoe.
01:15:03
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No, dude, you got this presentation. It's absolutely incredible. Right. I'm just going to keep on showing. So we're in Tabio. We've got the Wica. It's right in front of us. But I want to take us along to play here. Look at this thing on the right. This is at one of the parks that surrounds the thermals. There's these giant heads representing the gods and the goddesses of La Pena de Wica. Apparently, we filmed this in 219. There are
01:15:30
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19 giant carved god's heads on this mountain. So this modern cement version is an honor to the lost god heads of La Pena de Huayca. Imagine a mountain being so important that they would carve 19 giant stone heads on the mountain. Look, we are going to be on day three leaving Tabio. We're going to begin in to Bogota.
01:15:55
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Bogota in itself is an absolute chaotic nightmare. It's like at a 7 o'clock in the morning in Bogota, it's like 4 million 14-year-olds get on go-karts that can only go forward that don't care what's behind her at the side and we're going to do this, we're going to go and we're going to do Bogota
01:16:17
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I hate people who say I did Scotland or I did Australia. You don't do countries. You visit them. So I take my time. Oh, I'm so ready to do Bogota. We'll go for wine at lunchtime. So the Museum of Gold is the largest collection of gold in the world. The museum owns
01:16:36
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55 million, 55 thousand different artifacts, five and a half thousand of them didn't display in the museum itself. Now the reason I want to go there is not only to farbish our story about the Moiscus and the indigenous culture in Colombia who gave these offerings of gold and silver to the gods and the goddesses, but
01:16:57
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The Gold Museum owns the Kimbaja Aircraft, or otherwise known as, told by Ancient Aliens as the, what do they call them? The Kimbaja Artifacts. Essentially... Yeah, these have been featured in Ancient Aliens on an episode with you in it.
01:17:15
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I know I forgot I did that five or six years ago I know because I'll tell you why because I had always teetered around and stuff like that like interesting stuff and then ancient aliens got in touch five or six years ago asking me about just think it's about the golden sun disk in Peru and I went out it's amazing Vinny I flew to Los Angeles and
01:17:36
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I was there for a night, put up in a hotel, went along to this house the next day and filmed my interview and didn't talk about aliens or anything. But it was slotted into their show, telling their story. And then I got quite a lot of shit after doing it from people that I quite respect myself. So I regret having done that, but you know what, now I don't give a flan.
01:17:56
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You know what I mean? It was great fun and it was an insight. But yeah, Giorgio wears one of these artifacts around his neck. So here's what I want to do now. I'm not going to, this is going to sound, oh no, he's been a dick again, but listen to what I want to do. It's really, really, really inappropriate to say that these artifacts are ancient aircraft or flying machines. And let me tell you why. I'm going to show you this at the museum.
01:18:26
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If you give me any one of these artifacts, it's okay. I can take a zoological book from Colombia, from Amazonian Colombia, and I can give you a catfish and a mosquito type, the head of one and the body of another, and it will match these things. I can give you the flippers of a swamp turtle with the head of a jaguar. And what these represent, Vinny, these flying ancient craft.
01:18:56
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are parts of the shamanic transitional process between the shaman and his animal form. These are transitionary animals and I want to tell that story to try and retain a modicum of respect for these incredible ancient artifacts, each one of them containing the story of thousands of years of indigenous tradition of worshipping the animals in nature that they're surrounded by. But I want to tell that story but we've got to have a look at them and we can
01:19:25
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Have a play because in the Museum of Gold, you know, there's actually people that do guides and stuff that believe they are the ancient aliens and that they are the ancient flying crafts and machines. I get that, I get that. Of course, but either way, let me rant on about my skeptical crap. Let me just, let me just truly say, like, everything's interpreted differently when you look at things, isn't it? Like,
01:19:45
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And that's the beauty of where we all come from in different things. But can you see the screen with me and you at the bottom right now, Ash? I can see. Can you see? Can you see from the side of me there's like a white stripe of just nothingness. Hang on a minute. Let's try and minimize this a little bit. No, no. Oh, right. You can't, can you? No, I've got full screen. Wow. I can see. Just keep look, look to my
01:20:11
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Can you see where I'm pointing? Yeah. Can you see what all you can see there? But watch this. I'm going to do something magical right now. Cool. There you go. What can you see? Hello. Sarah Strom comes in like a UFO. Like a wrecking ball. Fast and unpredictable. So please go back to your presentation. But I want to welcome a phenomenology
01:20:41
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co-compatriate and our good friend Mr Dan Zetterstrom. Thank you so much for coming on. It worked out really well but please don't let me interrupt, carry on, this was really interesting. Hang on a second, I'll say an hour and 20 minutes into our chat you arrive and the first thing you say is sorry to interrupt
01:21:08
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not having that you can just you can just say go on with it or i'm sorry to have interrupted again okay i'm sorry to have interrupted please carry on yeah oh get on with it right so yeah so listen enough of my shenanigans we're off to the gold museum and we're going to be filming all sorts of indigenous gold but look at this in the afternoon afterwards we're off to the planetarium and we're going to film with an astronomer in the planetarium a leading columbian astronomer
01:21:37
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who has published a book about UFOs, but he's a leading skeptic. He has some really, really interesting interpretations of the phenomenology in the valley here, but also in classic and archetypal UFO cases from the last 50 years. He presents some really dynamic
01:21:56
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explanations but I must say the reason I want to film with this guy is because he's the most respectful skeptic you're ever going to meet. He talks about the eyewitness phenomenon, about the phenomenology of the sighting, the actual conscious experience of the interpretive person as being the key to understanding what things actually are and he does large-scale assessments of different types of phenomenon whether it was
01:22:20
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blue orb, yellow tailed light, star pulsing. And so I want to go speak to him about what he thinks all these phenomenological eyewitness accounts in Colombia represent. And we're going to do that at the planetarium. Can you imagine the troops in there filming in the planetarium? It's cool.
01:22:40
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I'm excited to see what the planetarium is like. The planetarium in New York was one of my favorite places there. So I'm a big lover of planetariums and just losing yourself in them. I have to ask Ash, the planetarium on the left, did they intentionally make it look like a UFO or what? Yeah, such. I can't believe you said that. So there's other ones from the side and it does absolutely look like a UFO. And I was putting this picture up and I thought either
01:23:07
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I've got to say it or Vinny's going to say that. I was going to say it. Crash retrieval. So the story is my question has to be to you before I can't answer you about it being designed to look like UFO. Let me ask you this. Can you present me with a planetarium that does not look like a UFO?
01:23:29
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I guess, because the structure kind of follows the form, right? The bubble in the middle. But the reason it stood out to me is because when we visited the Moiska tribe in our first series, the temple that we were lucky enough to go in, the shaman explained to me that it was based on the shape of the universe. And we spoke a little bit about how funny it was that the universe reflected the source, the kind of shape, and it's a very present shape for them.
01:23:57
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It's fascinating how that works. The chimney Gaga, their creator god, is at the point of the roof and then the hut. And this is why the phenomenon is called leet ranchitos, little glowing huts, because the phenomenon are reported with angled roofs and then this straight side. And you're right, the moiska kosmoe or the hut, the temple does represent that. But of course, this represents the
01:24:22
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the story of creation from the point of creation to this manifestation on Earth itself. But as you said, turn it on its side and it looks like a modern day scientist's chart of the Big Bang, but that's a strong paradigm. So what was just commented saying that he's stoked about the planetarium?
01:24:43
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Good man, I thought he would be. And I thought it would be nice to, because you guys did all the interviewing last time, I thought, because Walter, he's got this 1600 millimeter telescopic lens. He is a telescope guy. He is the astronomer. He builds lenses. Let's maybe have Walter interview the astronomer. What do you think? I think Walter needs to interview all of us on that aspect.
01:25:07
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But I want Walter to be the one asking the questions. That's what I did too. I wanted to come up with questions enough because this guy is happy to talk about phenomenon. He believes there are UAP, he says safely, but he's
01:25:25
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He's got some things to say about the valley here that I think Walter's going to align with. I don't want to tell you everything that's in his book. He wrote the book in Spanish. It's called Oveny's UFOs published last year. Imagine, listen to this, the ex-director of the Bogota Planetarium coming forward last year and going, here's a book for you before I retire. What is it? UFOs. Everyone was like, that's amazing. Because he was also the director of the Columbian Society for Scientific Advances.
01:25:51
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which brings them all into it too. And of course, they're not shy to talk about phenomenology, ufology of things out here at all. It's part of everyday life, as you both know. Yeah. Look, I'm going to get on to the next slide, OK? So we're going to... All this says no. I say yes.
01:26:15
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Yes, Walter, you can do it. Look, guys, Laguna Guadavita. Oh, I can't wait for this. This is my highlight so far. This is what I can't wait for. And Walter's been here filming with us six, no, total exaggeration, five years in a row he's been here six times twice one year. And he's not yet been to Lake Guadavita. So I can't wait for him to get our new drone up over Laguna Guadavita. Imagine our visuals filming this.
01:26:44
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And we're just going to have been at the Gold Museum in Bogota and found the most iconic archaeological discovery in Colombia's history, the Barca de Oro, the Golden Raft, which was discovered, which is emblematic for a ritual that was performed at Lake Guatavita. The ritual is known as the El Hombre del Dorado.
01:27:05
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which was misinterpreted as the city of El Dorado and it kind of ceded the whole quest for the lost city of gold. It began as a ritual at this lake where a
01:27:16
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ruler to be covered in powdered gold was floated out into this lagoon on a raft would jump into the water when he surfaced all the local people thousands of them threw their offerings of gold in so on the right there you can see Candiel Mamet the leader of the sesquil community who guard Guatavita and Josh Gates from Discoveries
01:27:38
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What's it called? Expeditional known. So there's me rattling on to Josh there about the legend of Eldorado and how it's important we see it for what it is, which is an ancient king making ritual rather than this idea of a lost city of gold. So we're going to tell that story when we're there, but can deals going to take us beyond where Josh and I film, we're going to be going to this ritualistic platform that overlooks Guadavita. And the reason we're going there is because
01:28:07
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In episode three of season one, Dan, if you recall, Candiel told us that their night watchmen see what they report as golden serpents in Lake Guadavida. We asked them if these were lights or serpents and he said, all of these volcanic plugs, these lagoons or several of them are connected by underwater
01:28:29
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tunnels, which they know as boardals, that the lights travel and emit and do funny things with these lagoons. So he's going to take us and show us where they see these night serpents. And we're going to stay there into the night. We're going to stay till about eight, nine at night. It's going to drop to eight degrees. And we're going to see if anything happens, because remember, we're on this week for the climate changes. These lagoons are filling up. There's a huge amount of geothermal pressure in the Andes at that time.
01:28:56
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So a great time to do a bit of night watching at Guadavida and see what exactly those night watchmen are seeing. Walter asks, can we fish the lake trout? I am not. I'm not going to answer. I'm just going to say I'm not surprised he did. I've just commented saying alien trout, Walter.
01:29:17
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So let me tell you this because we're on your channel. Let me tell you this. So 1993, a Venezuelan carpenter was on a week sabbatical to Lake Guadabita with the candelines community.
01:29:30
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He got up that night and he walked to the platform where we're going and he claims he saw two silver discs entering the lagoona and then themselves turning into golden serpents. So we should probably talk. He's if you were to Google the Lake of Guadavita, there's this famous story about twin UFOs. So that's another cool reason for going round. This is this is this is huge because that's two disc shaped UFOs entering the water.
01:29:58
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This is everything that we've been talking about for the last couple of years in the UFO community.
Historic Astronomy Sites and Phenomena
01:30:03
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This is trans-medium USOs, UFOs, you know, late Guatavita. I saw the episode with Josh Gates. We didn't talk about that, but I thought it was interesting. So that story I just told you about the two UFO discs, it's kind of like, what would that be like? That would be like, say the
01:30:27
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case in America that's not quite Roswell, not quite Betty Barney Hill, not quite as iconic as the tic-tac but just like a kind of middle of the road case but it's been here for 30 years. I'll take it, I'll take it. Absolutely and you know I'm all excited about what reflects in the lagoon from this platform that maybe perhaps doesn't reflect under other circumstances because remember the greatest ritual of the year is played when
01:30:52
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the moon that performs its zenith above the lagoona when it's full. And you look into the lagoon and you see the great big disc of Chia, the moon in the air. So for someone to see a shining disc in Guatavida, I'll give you your chance. We'll go with it, but there's several shining discs that we could consider prior to the one that came from Elvis and Cherie. Wow.
01:31:16
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the the
01:31:32
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So after Lake Guadavita, this is all HQ based for the first four days, we've been to Tabio Thermals, we're filming at night on Holy Friday, we're going to the planetarium, we're going to the Gold Museum, we're going to Lake Guadavita and then
01:31:48
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We head north. We're going to be going about five hours drive north into the really, really hot part of Columbia. It's like a different climate altogether. It's essentially the desert. The reason I put the picture in the left is because that is not a movie set. The town is in its traditional 500-year-old format. Vigio de Leba is one of the first colonial towns of Columbia. It's an absolute
01:32:12
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mind-blowing experience. Everything's 400 years old. All the plazas, all the rocks, all the horses, all the shops, all the people maintain the village, the traditions of it. But it's also the center of astronomy in Colombia because the skies are so clear and it's so high.
01:32:29
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What's exciting is on Holy Week, as you can see on the right, people come along with telescopes from all over Columbia and show them off like a lowrider rally. They show off their big telescopes. So we're going to go up there and we're going to interact with astronomers now. This is what's funny.
01:32:45
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We're going to go out, we're going to be staying in this traditional place with eight bedrooms. We're going to go out that night, drink too much beer and wine. And the next day we're meeting this guy and he is a very well-respected astronomer in the Astronomical Society of Columbia.
01:33:01
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But he's a bit of a thorn in the side because this guy in his observatory, a big square garage with a roof that opens up in the night, but it's completely emblazoned with green, fluffy aliens. He's a UFO alien maniac, if I can say such a word. And he's got big telescopes. So listen to this. The reason we're meeting him is because his friend, the guy we're interviewing at the planetarium,
01:33:31
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The astronomer at the planetarium, the ex-director of the planetarium, says that he's had three sightings of anomalous phenomenon, even though he's written a book called UFOs as a skeptic. He said, on three occasions, I'm not going to bore you with his other two, but this is why we're at Vijit Lava. He was at the Colombian Astronomical Conference in 2021 last year in Vijit Lava.
01:33:54
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and they were outside for a cigarette, having three astronomers. And they looked to the south in Vijay Dileva, and they saw an orange ball coming over the hill. And this man turned to his two colleagues and said, isn't it just a splendid coincidence that on our conference week, a meteor would come in. And they were aghast at it, but he said, rather than continuing its course over the opposing horizon, it stopped. It turned. It went back in its course.
01:34:27
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This is the ex-director of Planetarium telling us he saw that, but he cannot explain what that is, and he saw two other. However, the reason we're here is because what he saw in a broader context is a phenomenon, a vegetaleva note is very similar to what we have in Waiqa, and it's known as the Estréja Estránya, the strange star.
01:34:53
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For 200 years at least, above each of the Leyva, people have reported an orange star in the sky that moves to the left, moves to the right, sinks at the sky, rises in altitude.
Team Dynamics and New Member Introduction
01:35:05
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So again, it's a wonderful thing with 200 years of tradition, perhaps
01:35:10
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the ex-director of the planetarium saw it himself. He certainly tells that story. But I want to go and see if us a lot on Holy Week, Envigileva can spot the strange star or whatever that might be. Imagine going off hunting for the strange star. That's just a documentary series on its own, isn't it? The strange star.
01:35:32
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god yeah absolutely ash i got a little request of you as well like again something up your screen just go back to the way it was when you look to that thing on the side you know oh wait a minute i know what you're gonna do here this is like that thing this is your like this ashley mr ashley cowell would be a good time to introduce our it's our newest
01:35:58
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introduce our newest member of the team. Please everybody welcome the newest member of Phenomenology for season two, Elena. Elena, how are you? Hello. Welcome. It's good to be a part of the team. Thank you. Great stuff.
01:36:25
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I didn't expect this at all I thought I was going to switch off and switch on and it was going to be Walter that's what I was expecting and I was about to say when you said the newest member of the team I'm like no he's not
01:36:38
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Listen, Alayna has been so vocal in the comments and I tweeted her going, you've got to come on. Alayna, is all this making any more sense to you after this chat I've been having with Vinny? Are you any more looking forward to it? Oh, I don't think I could look forward to it anymore. I've got so many questions, especially that planetarium trip we're going to have. We're going to have so much fun.
01:37:01
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So far, you know, Alain has been on the team and this is our second time with us and we've been talking, the things you've showed interest most in is, but you kind of aligns with Walter a lot. You jumped when I said there's maybe climatological electrical phenomenon going on in the valley and you jumped when we talk about astronomy, more so than we talk about the spirits of dead Moiscus and the souls of saints.
01:37:25
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Well, listen, I'll tell you what, right now, I see every day I see Elena's posts on and stuff. She posted something today about her books and she showed like some spines of some books and it was like keel and all these amazing books. I was just like, this girl is so far intellectually advanced from myself that I cannot wait for her to be a part of the team and to just teach me
01:37:50
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It's amazing. Well, that's what's so beautiful about what you're doing is the diversity of perspectives that you bring together and the compassionate intentions behind this endeavor. That's amazing for you to say. That's a really amazing bit. We formed a really good team in season one, but I feel like you've now added to the fact that we're going to have an even, almost like a supercharged scene.
01:38:16
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Team for season two. Supercharged team for season two.
01:38:26
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Sorry Ash, let me throw up. No, it's all about Ash, I'm so sorry. No, again, you're like that, what do you mean? I'll own this, I'll own this. This is like a sketch from airplane, isn't it? Everybody comes in and interrupts me, go sorry for interrupting Ash. If you were sorry for interrupting, you wouldn't be here. That's the truth. Yeah, dude, that's true. I'm not sorry, but I love you. We're good.
01:38:53
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Exactly. Let's keep things good, clear here. I don't know how to do my full screen thing again. That vibe I've lost completely, that kind of focus. I love live streaming. How would I do share? How would I go full screen? Dan, you know the stuff. I think Window on the top. Window. Slideshow, look at that. Window. Next one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:39:22
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play from current slide. No, not from the start. No, because I just zoomed through it, Vinny. I'm not. Okay, here we go. So, all right, I will pick back up then. I'm going to try to regain my mojo. We were in Vegas, Alabama.
01:39:38
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Yeah, I got this. We're in Vija de Leyva and we've just been at this guy's astronomical
Exploration of Historical Sites and Rituals
01:39:43
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centre of which, and he's a full on 100% believer in visitors from other planets, whereas his buddy in the planetarium in Bogota isn't, but between the two of them we're going to get some great stories about UAP and this strange star. So Vinny, you'll love this place for obvious reasons.
01:40:00
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what this is is that a wine is that does it give me wine i think it's a penis joke it's uh i see i see what you did there man so yeah so so we'll start with the picture on the left
01:40:25
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Ellen Vernito is the oldest pre-Columbian standing stone Moiska site in the country. There's nothing older. It's a lunar chronometer.
01:40:39
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Looney Solar Calendar. It's a predictor of seasonal climate change, El Nino y La Nina, the dry and wet phenomenon that affects the whole of South America. And this matrix of stone alignments aligns with a hill known as Santa Barbara Hill.
01:41:00
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If we follow the alignment from this stone to Santa Barbara Hill, so the equinox alignment from El Infernido, it identifies the hill that the strange star is noted above, leading to the question how long has the strange star been observed in Colombia, whatever that strange star might be. Also from this site, in a hill beside the Santa Barbara Hill,
01:41:23
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on the Holy Week it's reported that there's a flickering blue and orange flame that appears to move along the hill, it appears to arc above the hill and then vanishes after about an hour. So we're going to be there on that week and again from El Infernito we're going to have an early start there but we're going to be telling the story of the Moiscus
01:41:44
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of their astronomy, of their mythology, of their ritualization of the landscape, of the lagoons and the mountains. Everything here had a male or a female denomination. And what's bizarre with that is the mountains and hills associated with red mojana lights.
01:42:00
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are associated with female goddess Chia and the Mohan are associated with the male mountains, so we're going to be telling that story from Elling for Nido. Because this site's related to the sky, the sky was generally in indigenous mythologies and cosmologies, interpreted as a male entity.
01:42:20
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So you can see all the stones are phallic because it's a male site relating to alignments in the sky. Whereas if it was a site built for honour of the goddess of worship of the goddess fertility goddess patch of mama, it's going to be
01:42:37
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It's going to be yonic. You're going to see vaginal-shaped stones and carvings. So we're going to be there exploring this whole thing in Franito, the little hell. And the Spanish, when they arrived here, they called it the little hell because they knew it was the heart of Moisca culture. So what was the god of the old religions, the positive god of the old religions, simply became the devil of the new. And this site's known as little hell. That's why there's loads of standing stones in the UK known as devil stones.
01:43:06
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So this is my bit my favorite. The day after it's Sogamosa at El Infernita we're going to the oldest temple in the country, the temple of the sun in Sogamosa. It's an enormous wooden sun temple that in when the Spanish arrived in the early 1350s
01:43:25
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No, in the early 1600s, 17th century, Pedro Cobo recorded that there were more priests in attendance at this temple than at Mecca.
01:43:38
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We're talking 16,000 solar priests in attendance to the Hizaki ruler of this temple. We're getting in to have a look, do a small ritual with the people that look after it. And we're going to do virtually what we did in episode three of season one. But again, we're learning the story of Damascus in one of the holiest cities in Colombia. It's going to be crazy up there. Silvamos is going to be
01:44:02
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because we're going to be there in Holy Week, right? It's going to be alive. All the Maria's are going to be out getting presented around the streets. All the carnival people will be out getting pissed up. It'll just be great fun. So good most of that in Holy Week. So after that, we're coming south. We're going to be stopping at a town called Turmike. Turmike is the home of the national sport of Colombia, which is known as Dejo.
01:44:31
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Tejo is when a player has a metallic disc and throws it through the air against a platform of fireworks, gunpowder and paper. So we're going to be going to the home of Turmikea and the reason why is the ex-director of the Geological Society of Latin America said this two years ago.
01:44:59
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So often in Turmakay did the indigenous Moiskis watch metallic discs flying through the air that they founded the game Turmakay in its honour in which they throw metallic discs through the air to make a flash flight. We're going to tell the story of Turmakay and the flying discs of the Turmakay Valley.
01:45:22
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And this is what's cool about this one. We're going to head home after that. And then the next day we're going to play Tejo and drink booze. Is this like one of these pub sports where people get better as they drink more or is it totally the opposite? If you, the way it works is so there is a circle of paper in triangles and in that paper is fireworks, gunpowder. So you throw your desk,
01:45:52
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And if you hit and make a flame, everybody buys you a beer. So if you play with four people, you've got three beers coming in. Just make sure they know how to spell V-I-N-N-I-E. Yeah, but the way... You spelled V-I-N-O wrong, Vinny. I'll take either, man. Yeah, nothing can go wrong. You've got Lewis and Closian.
01:46:21
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that the
01:46:42
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Oh, yeah. So there we go. We're going to go play some Tejo and we're going to talk to these. Look, guys, can you see that? Can you see me or just my screen? Well, I can see the full screen, but you in the corner. Can the public see? Can I go back to my normal? I just want to show you what's happening with Wi-Fi behind me, the sunset. And it's all right now. Yeah. I can screen you now. Yeah. Full screen me and let me turn my screen.
01:47:14
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I just about hung myself with my headphones. Well, don't tell me the lights are happening. No. Well, who knows? It's that time. But I want you to see the sky. It's biblical. Yeah, we can see the the blue. Not the mountain above it. Well, there we go. We've got the full mountain range. There's Wiker. If anyone can see my mouth mouse cursor, there's the. I need to see what you can see.
01:47:40
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Oh no, there it is, there it are. Damn it, I can't zoom in because it's my crappy computer. But that peak where my mouse cursor is... Can't be a mouse cursor, I don't think. You can't, okay. No. So La Pena de Wica is the kind of nipple shaped... Oh sorry, right there. The prominent nipple, yeah. That's La Pena de Wica, that's the mountain where we see the lights.
01:48:08
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That's where we went up and kind of sat on the front. That's where we walked up, and we're going to walk up in again. Hang on, this route here, this angle is called the Ruta de los Ovenes, the UFO road. It's on Google Maps. So often, I'm going to leave it right there with that. Sorry, guys. I didn't realize that anybody couldn't see my cursor, but yeah. Right, that's right. I like the passion thing. That's all I'm about, passion baby.
01:48:37
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So, look, we've been to Ellen for Nito and we've been to the template Sogamoso and we've been playing tenho and beer. So, look, I want to leave it with this. Can you see that? Yeah. Can the public see me or just my screen, Vinny? Well, at the moment, you're like prominent in the screen and me, Dan and Elena are down the side and smaller. So can you put on my, can you put on this last slide then?
01:49:06
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Hold on one second. Let me just do this. Yep. This slide is prominent. Is it? Yep. This here has never been seen before. Nobody's ever seen this. I don't know about this and Dan doesn't know about this. This is like looking at the number on somebody's door.
01:49:33
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And that's what we're looking at here. So this is a pictogram that has never been seen before that we discovered. And this is the...
01:49:40
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entrance to something absolutely spectacular that we're going to show in Episode 7 of Season 2. We're going to go and show you at this, as I say, it's never been publicised before. Nobody knows it's there. It's in an Indigenous reserve tucked away in a corner of Columbia that seldom explored and we're going to go for it. We're going to show you some exceptional and mind-bending archaeology. Any ideas what kind of animal that might be?
01:50:15
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Are we all guessing? What do you think? I kind of see long jaws if I'm the right way round, like crocodile, alligator, lizard, something like that. It's got quite a big sort of barrel body. Look, a barrel body. It's got this defined tail here. It's got two legs on this side. So is there any chance there that that could be a tusk out of mouth? Mammoth.
01:50:42
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then it would have to be 12,000 years old for me. Right. Which is an interesting date to land in. Some might think that I'm saying nothing more about it. I'm just showing you a pictograph. Put a link up to Graham Hancock's new series, Vinny, just quick. It's actually a triceratops. Look, it's a dinosaur. Yeah, well, that makes more sense than a mammoth, definitely.
01:51:12
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No, you don't get triceratops like 600 million years old. Forget about the age. I'm looking at the picture and I'm looking at my knowledge. You can't forget about the age. Forget about the date range. I am lucky enough to have a daughter that's five years old that is into dinosaurs. I read about triceratops about three times a week.
01:51:34
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You can't give me an apple and say, and it's an orange and then just say, just ignore the color. It's, it's an apple. Well, give me a chance. Okay. Give me chance. Okay. So if that represents the triceratops and no, I was talking utter shame here. That was a laugh. That wasn't the thought. That wasn't real. It's not a, certainly not a triceratops. Behave yourself. Younger, driest triceratops.
01:51:58
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So we're looking at about 12,000 years old, whatever it is. Even if it is that, how many pictograms are dated to 12,000 BC? What we're going to get, I'm going to be distracted here because all it is is cheesy droppings, clues. All I'm seeing is we're off to this amazing archaeological site. That's what I mean. We don't know. No, you don't. I love that. I love so much that we have something that is, when we get there, we'll know.
01:52:22
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We've just dropped a magic word here, LIDAR. And yes, we are going to scan these. So we have 3D maps of these places. Yup. I don't think we'll have LIDAR, though. No. Vinny, I've got LIDAR on my phone. No. How deep do you go, though, bro? I've got a ghost hunter, you can see it. What does that even mean? I love it, but how deep do you go, though, bro?
01:52:51
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I'll tell you what, the episode is going to be demonetised if you continue like this. This was meant to be the Christmas episode where anything goes. I don't care. See if anything can go. Can I go to the toilet? Yes, but you have to leave the stream. You can't just go where you're sitting. That's frowned upon.
01:53:19
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I want to speak to Elena and say, Elena, what are you excited about?
01:53:34
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Oh, what am I excited about? I'm hoping we can camp up on Huayca, but, you know, we'll see what the weather's like, right? I have to say, I think Lake Guadavida is going to be incredible. The ritual that's performed there at that time of the year, it's so similar to other rituals that have performed, like baptismal rites.
01:53:55
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at holy sites but similar times of year and where there's water flow all of a sudden and I love these resonant valleys where there's like this type of geological battery going on so there's so many connections as you were saying I had like 10 books I'm reading about the interconnectedness of the subject there's you know the physics consciousness energy aspects and then not to mention you know
01:54:24
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the potential of OB and UAP having sentience. You know, it's a lot of research to do and I'm glad to be a part of it.
01:54:35
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Absolutely and no this is the great thing we're so happy that you're part of the team and it's going to resonate with the audience when you know you're filmed and talking about everything we're experiencing but it's the private conversations as well that happen off camera that I think are just going to be so monumental as much as what we see Ashley with the cameras in your face you know it's it's a beautiful thing and
01:55:00
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And this is where I'll give credit to Ashley. He will throw a camera in your face, but still allow you to act natural. It's a beautiful thing. It really, really is. And I cannot stress that enough. Like for two weeks, that was the thing. Like he just has a way of doing it and it works. And yeah, kudos to you, Ash.
01:55:26
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just ask you to tell the truth and you feel safe doing that with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh man, like never before man, like never before, but nothing I've experienced and since and you know, we've been in bigger production since with DVC film production companies, you know, this year, like, yeah, well, you were there.
01:55:47
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With the Scotland stuff indeed indeed. No, that's good to hear I'm delighted that you think that that's how it's got to be There's nothing worse than you can have the most confident people in the world. But as soon as the cameras on them, they freeze the change Yeah, they have to sort of guard what they can say and you always feel that there's lots of people that are quite there are pace behind what that means is their minds are
01:56:10
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thinking about what they should really say because it's the truth and then there's this secondary filter and then they say what they think people want to hear. You lot were a pleasure in the sense that well chosen I should say too not because you all communicate confidently and straight and you're not intimidated by a camera and the outcome is there's no
01:56:31
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Nobody's made to be a fool. Nobody's made out. I don't do anything dramatic. I don't make people, I don't make up false conflict that you can do. I can make you all look as if you hate each other by just taking pieces of what you all say. I think you saw yourself, you're all represented quite as you are and there was no funny business.
01:56:53
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Yeah, you actually did really well with that. And I remember some moments thinking like, oh God, did I say that? Ashley is going to, he could make me look horrific, but you chose really good parts and you understood my argument at times, I think better than I did. Sometimes, I have to be straight, though, like don't, just because you didn't look horrific, don't for a second think that sometimes you weren't horrific because you were. I just, I just edited that out. Simple.
01:57:22
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I just want to bring this comment up. So Vorak in the comments says, any new guests in season two? Well, you know, yeah, we've just we've just introduced a new team member, Elena, but she's certainly not a guest. She is an integral part of the team. Well, one thing that I have been doing, which I guess the team
01:57:43
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doesn't necessarily know is that I have been having conversations with people behind the scenes as far as advice for work in South America. And who has recently put out a documentary from South America?
01:57:57
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James Fox, Brazil. So James has gladly provided me with a video, Christmas video, which I've put out on
Joining the Team for Future Adventures
01:58:06
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my socials. So I'm in a little bit of back and forth with James, so maybe he could help us in our investigations in Colombia. And so last time we had advice from Sean Cahill and Lou Elizondo,
01:58:19
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which, you know, would be great. Again, Lou and Sean are always welcome, always welcome to give us advice on what we're doing. But maybe this time, James might be a little bit of a involved in some way or other. But yeah, you know, I know you guys want to see big names and that. But hang on a minute. You just got 20 quid from Red Panda. How much of that do I get? No, no way. It's all right. What's going on here? I didn't know this.
01:58:49
Speaker
Dude, Red Panda Koala, who I'm a huge fan of, almost like a fanboy. I'm a fanboy of Red Panda Koala. Of course you are. They give you 20 bucks. No, no, dude. I love Red Pandas. I love his documentaries as well. I've been following Red since the early days of his work. And even when he did the work recently as well with Jesse Michaels, which was huge.
01:59:14
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and red is like red is the kind of person that you want to be like when you speak because he's so cool calm and collected when he describes the phenomena he's just like natural for the camera but he says here i highly recommend his um his videos on
01:59:30
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the whole Tom the Long thing and the core kind of narrative there. He puts it together really, really well. There's two episodes that are just so concise. And he's done this before and it blows me away. So I'm going to read it out. Red says, great job on the episode, guys. The editing was super professional and sharp. Don't mean to read it. And in a beautiful location with interesting phenomena history. Looking forward to the next one. Happy holidays. Dude, I appreciate that. Like, damn, man.
02:00:01
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Honestly, that shows that gives us credibility because I'm not saying anybody else in the chat that's seen this doesn't have credibility, but when you get that kind of nod, just that little nod.
02:00:13
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And the nice thing there is the fellow has taken his time to choose words and write exactly what he likes about it. It's not just a generic, yeah, I loved it. Yeah, it was great. No, the guy's saying all of the things he thought was done well. So that's good on him. Good old red panda.
02:00:32
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Maybe a little post-editing assistance with Red Panda Koala there. I would love it if anybody could help me at all with editing. So let's maybe ask Red Panda what he can bring to the gig. There you go. Thank you so much Red Panda Koala. We love you man. There's another comment from him there. No, don't say that. Stop. So yesterday I was being a dick yesterday because
02:01:02
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somebody on Twitter, Lex Fridman posted, I love all you guys and I just did it. And I'm gonna tell you now to stop saying I love you guys because you sounded like a Hollywood actor taking an Emmy and saying the most, you don't love us but you really like us. Yeah, but Ash, that's like saying brother on. I ask for you. You know why I say that, you know why I say that. So a bit down, I asked for me this before,
02:01:30
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I never call people brother apart from my brother in real life. But when I'm on podcasts, I keep calling everybody right brother all the time. Why? Is it a nervous thing maybe where I hear all the American confident one folk calling each other brother all the time. So I think it kind of happens then when you're in this same perhaps. Dude, did we form a bond in Colombia though? Oh indeed brother. Brothership with the sun, there you go.
02:02:16
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Lydia shouted over and says you're not allowed in here, it's for women only, it's the temple of the moon.
02:02:22
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and I said I just thought in the politest way it's a sacred area so you can't use swear words but there are almost swear words which you can use that and I said is it okay if Walter gets access to the Theros table because he's got a man China
02:02:38
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it just went silent you know but we dropped it into we dropped it into episode three because so funny yeah i'll tell you now if Elena is sister now she's going to be high priestess by the time we finished high priestess that's why you invited me someone's gotta go in the moon temple i see there we go see she's figured us out guys
02:03:02
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She's already one step ahead of us. This is what excites me so much. Ash, what we need to decide now with this specific interview is
02:03:13
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do we need or do the people or the viewers or the listeners need to know anything else before we finish because I could have this conversation with you Dan and Elena for the next two or three hours. One thing I will shout out is that we are going to move this to Instagram afterwards to do a special Christmas Instagram live.
02:03:36
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Right, so you just want my general opinion on a few things that people might want to think about or just in general. Yeah, yeah, I just want to point out. Alright, so Vinnie's general presenting style is British.
02:03:50
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So no, let's, yeah, it's as simple as this. If folk want to come to Columbia between April 6th and April 16th, 2023, next year to join us four and Walter and the two Natalias and another two folk, we're gonna be eight or nine strong, go to uapcolumbia forward slash PS2, PlayStation 2, PS2, which is Phenomenology season two.
02:04:16
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You're just going to fill in your name, your email address, tell us what you think you can bring to the project. And I'm going to get back to you. I'm going to drop you an email and we're going to have a chat. And we'll be putting your name into our list. And in January, we will be pulling out the last two or three people that we want to come along and film with us. And that's the way it's going to work. So let me tell you the cost. Let's not hide anything here. Oh, let me show you this, guys. Can I share my full screen again, Vinny? Of course you can, man. Nice. Look at this. You ready?
02:04:44
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yep so i better do my full screen one tech and what was it i did again i oh sorry sorry wait wait wait hold up hold up there you go where's my full screen again dan uh command command f or slideshow command f
02:05:07
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No, I know that'll just put the F4, sorry, the F4 screen, my bad. Yeah, you got it. All right, here we go. So once we get to the, we've played our Tejo and Beer and our archaeological site, there we go. People can ask, I thought we should leave this at least for a few minutes on the screen, Vinny, because it shows exactly what folk are going to get when they come. I'll run through it quickly. First and foremost, they're going to feature in season two of our Phenomenology documentary series.
02:05:34
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They're going to be collected by a private driver from Bogotil, Dorado Airport. They're going to be driven two hours into the hills to HQ, and we're going to welcome them in front of a coal fire, as you know happens. They're going to stay for nine nights accommodation, right? So nine nights accommodation, that's three nights HQ, five nights on the road around Columbia, and then three more nights at HQ.
02:05:56
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All of the meals are included, it's all traditional Colombian food, we're not eating many pizzas, certainly one for Vinny every time. All of the entries to the museums, the transport when we're travelling around Colombia, the interviewing with indigenous communities and the payments we make to them, it's all included including security guards and these guides, Julio and his brothers, Julio and his four brothers,
02:06:26
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and then we're gonna get you back to the airport for your homework flight. Whole thing, two and a half, two five, two five, two five thousand, $2,500.
02:06:37
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That's it, all included to get you here. And that's everything for the week. So as you said at the start, you're $5,000 or $6,000 for a week in Colombia. We're doing this whole sort of 10-day trip here for $2,500. So that's us. Our cards are on the table. We're looking for two more people. And I just can't wait to see who applies as a result of this. If anybody's stayed this long, they're certainly keen, right?
02:07:03
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They're not only keen, but they're ready to experience a life changing experience. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to I'm still I still try and visualize the fact that from the moment I left.
02:07:18
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northern England in Sheffield on a coach to go down to Birmingham to meet Dan to stay in a hotel to fly out to you know the whole adventure from start to finish was like something that you would expect to see in this day and age on a YouTube channel for the biggest vloggers and I say that from an aspect of modern um entertainment let's say it's not like um
02:07:48
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So I've always been big on YouTube and stuff like that, not me personally, but I've always been big on watching YouTube and watching the period of getting from A to B is almost as important from B to C, the big projects, you know what I mean? So that whole aspect of what me and Dan did was like, well, it was the biggest adventure of my life, you know? And we had a serious laugh along the way.
02:08:18
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Like, you know, who gets to travel half the way around the world to a country they never thought they would ever visit to then then not just reside in that country, but then go on and do bigger and better things within that country. I mean, it beggars belief that I could go on about it for hours and we've already been two plus hours here, but. Yeah, it's serious. I mean, Dan, let's give your perspective because I know you'll be better at describing what I'm trying to say.
02:08:48
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It was just there was a lot of fun kind of because I remember coming up to Birmingham I met you and you kind of had a little gathering of some people who watch your channel and that was the first place I met Max McCabe and a few other people who've since become friends.
02:09:04
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And then, yeah, we flew to Colombia and that was a lot of fun, you know, haggling with the air hostesses to get kind of be able to stretch our legs out on the seats and sleep along the way and stuff like that. I remember ending up in the back kind of fixing some MacBooks and things like that for them. And then, yeah, we arrived there. We were collected from the airport. Everything was super easy. And it was just it was amazing feeling safe because you've got Ashley, you've got
02:09:32
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both Matties who were referred to collectively as the Illuminati, and they just looked after everything for us. And we could really just relax, you know, and just experience it properly. And then as we went in kind of about our days, it was just, it was so enjoyable. And it just included experiences that money can't buy, really, I would say. The connections that Ash had, the package they put together was just,
02:10:03
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I was going to say once in a lifetime, but twice in a lifetime, I guess now. But it really was outstanding. I'd agree with the connections that Ash has got here, the Julio and his brothers and all the drivers and everybody. We were safe. Let's be really adult about this. Colombia isn't one of the safest countries in the world, is it?
02:10:23
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But when you look at that reality straight on and take all the precautions, you know, we managed to course through it and we didn't meet any of the nasties that a struggling country can sometimes have. So that's the quality of our context is the safety that you experience when you're here. That's a fact. Absolutely, man. Can I tell you now before your old guy stuff? Now Ashley's interrupting.
02:10:50
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I love it. I love broke. Do you know what? I love this so much. This is what this is what I wanted from this discussion. Like the fact that we're showing that we're all friends and.
02:11:02
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you know, as much as we do the serious work, we can have a laugh as well, man. Ashley has given me something in my lifetime that I never thought would happen. And so I love him to bits. He's a brother, man. So Ashley, go for it. You got 30 seconds. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I've forgotten what I was going to say because you spoke again.
02:11:24
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I was going to say, what's nice in doing what we're doing is there's lots of landscapes and scenery and stuff in the film. And it's so nice to be making film or films in Colombia that have nothing to do with Pablo Escobar. You know what I mean?
02:11:40
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It's like coming to Scotland and making a film that's got nothing to do with Robert the Bruce or going to Germany and do nothing to do with Hitler. He's this archetypal figure in the thing. And it's so nice to dissolve that side of the history of Columbia and to be putting out something about Columbia that's positive and new rather than looking back to the dark days, which is so archetypal of filmmakers here. That's a thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. That is a thing. We are doing that, but with that gets recognized here.
02:12:10
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you're even yeah absolutely looking into the history of the culture before that happened so you're bringing history to new life which is even more beautiful i'm really glad to be a part of that
02:12:22
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Yeah nice one. I'm sure you're gonna love it. I really have no doubts at all and once January comes we'll be having this but there'll be another three or four people will be on the meeting that will be in the team. So it's quite funny because we're like the folks that were in the kitchen at the party first and before everybody got back from the club right. So we've got the wee thing going and then before we know it things are going to swell.
02:12:44
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Yeah, absolutely. Can I just before we start rapping, can I just ask Elena about this cat picture behind her on the wall, because it has hands like correct. That's incredible. Wow. Oh, no, for a long time. Oh, yeah. My personality. So, you know, I would imagine Jungian psychologists would have to deal with that.
02:13:10
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very complex. That's another day. That's another conversation. I'm sorry. Oh, then he's moving for a close. Let's let's let's get on. We can do we can do the Instagram live on this all day and night, but no, no, no, no, we can do it. You can. I'm conscious of my audience like so. Thank you so much, Ashley. Yeah, tell me. Dude, every time you come on, like every time you come on, man, one year down the line, you kill it, man. You always make it more exciting for me because
02:13:40
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You know me, I'm excited no matter what. And I'm sure you're going to capture so much B-roll of me. It's unreal. What you're actually saying, and I know what you mean, I know what you end it is this, love having you on Ash cause you talk so long that I can just say it back and let it roll. No, no, no, no. I know that. I know that. It's nothing for you to talk about. Did you hear what I said though? You're going to have so much B-roll for season two. Oh yeah.
02:14:10
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And the audio is all quite good, isn't it? The audio is incredible. I could keep talking. This is the thing I could keep talking. This was the conversation that I wanted to have before Christmas because I knew it would be between friends. It would be the most casual conversation I've had all year. But it probably would be the most important conversation that I would have all year because it
02:14:35
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pushes me and Dan, Ashley, Elena and all of our team into 2023 for some of the most important work that we're going to be doing. And so I love the fact that we can go from casual to serious and have a good time about it. But when was the serious bit?
02:14:56
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I had all, I had all the screens ready to share Ashley Ashley put together a fucking presentation.
02:15:10
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Yeah. He killed it. Ash, man. Kudos to you, brother. Dropped the mic, Ash. Let's take this to a more casual place on Instagram in, like, 10, 15 minutes. And the sun is setting just behind Ashley there, as well. Can you see it? Night operations are starting soon. Look at that. There's Wacka right there, ready for going. Dude, this is the thing, man. Ashley's there day in, day out. Look at this. He is
02:16:01
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the the the the
02:16:02
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Yeah, wait, have you just, have you just put a filter on your... No, Vinny, this is what I'm saying, that the sunset is incredible. This is what we're filming. Look at it. Let me open the door. I've been there. I kind of want to just show you guys Mexico. Just in case it's not as nice. So we've got Mexico here. Mexico here. We've got Colombia down here. Elena, what's your thing here? Hang on, I can't hear a thing you're seeing. You look like a mime. Bobby, we're pretty global right now. Yeah, we are. Oh, man.
02:16:32
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cross-cultural perspective. I love it. Oh yeah, that is a cross-cultural perspective. Everyone in the chat is feeling good right now. Red Panda Koala says feeling good about 2023. Everyone in the chat, thank you so much. We are going to jump over to Instagram live. So go and follow me on Instagram disclosure team. We're going to jump over live. I've got one more thing. Go on. Can you not say this on Instagram live? Well, obviously I can't. I wouldn't have interrupted.
02:17:03
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Sorry for interrupting. This better be good, Bitch. I wanted to personally thank everybody who's spent dollars and bought the season on Vimeo season one. This is going to be published in the VOD, Vimeo on Demand, and it means that people might there see this. So thanks a lot. Everybody who bought season one, it was great. And we'll be sending you an email sometime towards the spring that'll have a discount for you to watch season two from the team. So that was it. Thank you directly.
02:17:34
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Can I ask you, actually, someone asked me yesterday and it would be good for you to answer. They said, instead of renting it, am I going to be able to buy this eventually because I'd like a coffee?
02:17:45
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No, we're cool. I'm actually going to close out my own show right now to say for everybody interested who hasn't seen Phenomenology season one. Also, check out the description below. We are now offering 25% off the whole season one. Go and check it out. It's really good. And now Ashley is just blowing us away with these nighttime skates.
02:18:16
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Wow. You're going to be like this is where you're going to be sleeping where I am filming right now at night. You're lining your bed. Looking at that. Do you know what? I love all of you. I love all of you. I have got the ultimate finisher for this conversation and I'm going to say it in three. I love that. One more thing. DJ disclosure in the house. Three, two, one. Boom.
02:18:53
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I'm with my sister and her family here in Houston, listening off and on with you guys, great to see you all. Hey nice one dude, it's great to see you all Walter. This is Walter Payne, another phenomenologist as you know from the series. How a surprise, this is like Christmas day.
02:19:13
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Guys, this is good from what I hear. This is going to be a great time. I've been in and out of chat and Ashley, dude, you know, I say something like this every time, but you have done a great job in getting us access to a lot of these sites. And I can't tell you how humbled I am just to gain access to some of these native people's sites. Hey, there is one question I wanted to ask. Is there going to be an opportunity to do another ceremony like you did before?
02:19:37
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We're doing it. We're going to do it in the Sogomoso Temple of the Sun, up north. And if not, we're going to be with Candiel at Guatavita. So they do these ceremonies open here as well. So they'll probably do something on the banks of Guatavita, a ceremony with the tobacco ritual. And yeah, you like the old ritual ceremonies. It's like another world, isn't it, Walter? Oh, it's another world. It's another world.
02:20:04
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they go guys yeah there you go i can't believe you phoned walter in there yeah i didn't expect that i didn't expect that walter thank you so much we love you brother hey brother can i ask you something are you at home are you in nebraska i'm in houston actually houston texas visiting my sister and her family for christmas yep i'm here for a week super oh well that's great to see you thanks for jumping on walter delighted with that
02:20:29
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You guys take care. Hey, Vinnie, keep it real, man. Everybody else, take care. We'll talk later. Speak to you soon. We will, we will. Guys, thank you so much. Cheers. Thank you to Ashley Cowie and all the team. Thank you so much. We're going to jump over to Instagram right now if you're live and we'll see you on the flip side. Take care. Peace. Happy Christmas. Oh, Feliz Navidad as they say here in Mexico. Or just go away in Scotland.