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Thom Reed - 1969 Berkshire UFO Incident & UFOXPO
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On the evening of September 1, 1969, Thom was a witness to a UFO incident in Berkshire County, Massachusetts. Multiple witnesses reported seeing strange lights and experiencing other strange occurrences. Some witnesses reported being abducted and taken aboard a strange craft before being released. Others reported experiencing missing time. The incident was featured in the show 'Unsolved Mysteries' for Season 1 Episode 5. Thom is also the founder of the UFOXPO, a celebrity mixer, and film festival to be held March 10 – 12 2023 at the Roswell Convention and Civic Center. It will host over 40 events, including film screenings, live music, celebrity guests, UFO talks, food, cosplay and more.
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Transcript
UFOs: Air Force Cover-ups and Extraterrestrial Theories
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We're complex narratives of being taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams of light. The Air Force is trying to cover up with a picture of Venus and the Moon. From my own point of view, I'm going to be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to be nothing more than visitors from another planet, because I think that could be something
Introduction to Disclosure Team Podcast
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Hey, everyone. How's it going? Welcome back to Disclosure Team. I'm really excited for this one. I've been familiar with this case for some time, but a couple of years ago, seeing the Netflix show, Unsolved Mysteries, feature this incident, it really kind of opened it up to me. And I really can't wait to speak to my guest tonight. And all I'm going to say before we bring him in is, as always, please keep the chat cool, calm, and collected.
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Please respect everybody's voice and differences of opinion. And everything will be all good from there. It's good to see so many of you in the live chat already.
Tom Reed's 1969 UFO Encounter
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If you have any questions throughout the interview, please pop them in capital letters. Or if you're feeling generous, super chats are always, always welcome. And any support that is given is so, so appreciated. So thank you, guys. Let's jump straight into it. I want to get this going straight away because we've got a lot to cover. So please welcome.
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Tom Reed. Tom, how are you? Hey, man. Thanks for having me, buddy. It's my pleasure. I've been speaking with you briefly in the background for a little while and planning this interview. I'm just so glad that the day's here and we get to have this discussion. Yeah, I've been looking forward to it. It was a unique thing. You're in Sheffield, England, and our case was in Sheffield, Massachusetts, and we have a common friend with a
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with Toby and Tam. And so yeah, this is one I was looking forward to. So once again, yeah, thanks for having me. Like I said, my pleasure, my pleasure. Well, listen, Tom, I guess the initial thing I'd like to do is for anybody that's not familiar with the case and what actually happened back in 1969, September. And if you wouldn't mind just starting and sort of laying out the incident for us to give us an overview, I'd really appreciate that.
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Yeah, sure. I guess the key things are that we we owned a diner, and the diner itself kind of made history. That's kind of how our case made history was not through our family so much, but through our diner, because that's where people talked about what they were seeing. And for
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we were diagonally across the street from a racetrack. And this is back in the 60s during the race to the moon, you know, the space race and all that. And so either you were a farmer, or for the most part, or you worked at one of the government funded manufacturing facilities like Sprague Electric or
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G.E. or Command Aerospace or Pratt & Whitney, whatever it was. And a lot of people don't realize this either, but NASA used to be in Massachusetts.
UFO Hub: The Family Diner
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I mean, they still are to this day, but they were across the street from MIT. And Boston was only a couple hours away. So you had all this money being funded by the U.S. government to NASA
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to other manufacturing facilities in and around the Berkshires where our diner sat to make all these capacitors whatever it was that the government needed to beat Russia to the moon okay and because the racetrack was diagonally across the street a lot of those people ate in our diner that worked on the goodwill message that was left on the moon and or
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work in and around the space race. So when UFOs were seen in the area, it was talked about in our diner because it was a secret space program. So they couldn't really talk about it while they were shopping, right? It was like Kevin Church, right? Like, you know, you could talk about God and
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in church, but you're not gonna have a conversation with God in appliances at Best Buy, right? Because, right? So that's kinda was our family's diner. So in and around this time, I was helping my family close up the diner and there were already been sightings in the area. We were already privy to some of that, but this particular night was extremely hot.
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And it was a holiday. So a lot of people were outside, barbecues, that kind of thing. There were parades. So a lot of people saw what we were involved with that probably wouldn't have seen that if it wasn't a holiday. So all these things lined up. So we're leaving the diner, going through this bridge that everybody pretty much knows about. When entering the bridge, my grandmother immediately said that there was too much light
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for the headlights in our car. Just something didn't look right. It was all lit up. There was light lights coming through the planks in the floor, if you would, or the bottom of the bridge. And so when she came out the other side, she had turned around to say something to me, because I was giving my brother candy and stuff. And he was too young. She thought he could choke kind of thing.
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And in doing so, she saw this sphere, this white, silver, whitish type of sphere that was rising up from the banks of the river.
Experiencing the Unfathomable: Reed's Vivid Sighting
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It didn't come out of the water. I don't know where it came from. By the time I saw it, it was already higher than our car. There was another sphere to our right, which was orange, and it looked to be moving on the inside. It was like a
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like a roll to it or something. But we kind of split the two. So we had this white sphere, which was higher up, and this one that was like orange, lower to the water. They're both over water, but one was much higher than the other. And as we kept going straight, this one kind of went behind a line of trees and kind of went in the same direction as our car. And I think H and aliens did a pretty good job on this part of it, as did Berkshire's UFO. But
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What a lot of people leave out is that there were three objects. So if you watch ancient aliens, they show the sphere, you know, and if you watch Unsolved Mysteries, they show something different. So there were three. And by the time we split those two and went down this narrow dirt road, which used to be for emergency vehicles and horse and buggy. I mean, this is a long time ago. My mother found like a spot to pull over, which was near a telephone pole.
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where the utility trucks had been just developing this road. And so she pulled off to the right. And as she started to pull off to the right, cause we were going to stop and try to find this white sphere that we had seen, that's what we were looking for. All of a sudden it felt like we were deep underwater. I'll never forget it. It was like, you know, when you dive into a pool or you're in a, in the ocean or a lake and you dive to, there's this pressure around your body. Yeah.
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That's what we felt. And it was like everywhere. It was just like, man, it was like restricting. And then, you know, the sounds of life kind of came to a stop. There was no more breeze, no more crickets, no more anything. You know, you didn't hear any.
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branches rustling or just dead quiet, very surreal. And then there was this flashlight and it was just the strength. All these things were happening within like maybe a two minute period. And during that time, we were actually looking out the window. So we're feeling this hearing this tapping sound all while we're looking out the window. And that's when this saucer type thing came into view of us. Now, maybe it was there all along. We didn't see it. I don't know how it got there.
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I just remember seeing the front of it was emitting a reddish amber tint on the top only, not the bottom. And it was only on part of it. And this thing actually didn't have landing gear. I don't remember seeing windows. I don't remember seeing anything. It was about 100 yards in length.
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I always thought it was, you know, pretty big anyway. But when Jan Green talked about it, when we, you know, talk over, uh, on some mysteries, she was the same thing when she was so close to it, she couldn't see end to end. And so this, I've gone back and I've looked at where the trees were and it was a good a hundred yards in size. This thing was big. Wow. And it looked like a turtle shell to me. You know, as a kid, I remember I referenced things as what, how they,
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hit me. You know what I think about when I picture it, it looked like a turtle shell, but the side of it also had like lines in it, like almost like a snakeskin. And the middle of it was a lot wider and thicker than the top and the bottom. So the middle of it was like this big, like a tire, you know, like a tread on it, you know? And so it was probably 80 degrees at night.
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When it should have been more like typical weather, it might have been 45. Super hot night, holiday. The windows were open. There was no gleam or reflection on anything because we didn't have air conditioning in the car. And so now we're in the middle of three objects. So I've had a lot of time to talk about this and try to make sense of what was happening at this period of time. So if this picture o'clock, so
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this craft was probably at nine o'clock. The sphere that we saw was around six o'clock, seven o'clock. And then the other one would have been around, you know, five o'clock. So we were in the middle of three objects that were maneuvering all at the same time, doing something. So we thought, you know, afterwards we look back at this, like maybe there was a communication going on.
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And we were in the middle of this communication and why we felt the way we did. Yeah. Because again, there was this we heard like stones hitting underneath the fender wall. And then, like I said, that pressure and then everything went silent. And then that flashlight and this eruption of crickets came out of nowhere. And that's the last thing I remember from being in that vehicle.
Mystery and Memory: The Aftermath of the Encounter
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I mean, it was like boom, boom, boom, boom.
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Right. But then did you feel like at any point that you, or looking back, do you feel like you'd left the vehicle and gone somewhere else? Oh, I remember where I was and everything, or at least part of it, you know, uh, we weren't in the car anymore. You know, all, all four of us, I mean, it was my mother, my mother had been driving. My grandmother was in the passenger seat. My younger brother, Matthew was to my right. And at the time we were going home, we were like all in conversation. We were talking and then that all these,
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you know, vessels, if you will, or whatever it was we were part of, kind of just captivated all of us. I don't remember any conversation after that, except all staring at this thing. And I think my mom said at one time, you know, what the hell is that? And that was about it. And then everything just went almost surreal, like,
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You know, like we really weren't there, you know, almost like it was almost a dimensional feeling. But at the same time, we felt something. So if it was dimensional, we wouldn't have felt something, I guess. It's confusing as to what happened, because that's why I go, what really happened to us? Because if it was something where we were maybe being in the process of something happening to us to move us somewhere, or however that would be, why would you feel that, you know?
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And all of us felt it. And the next thing I remember, I'm on a table type of thing. I'm sitting on something in a large open area that was much larger than what I saw. And again, that's why I say, people say, well, you're abducted, right? Well, I wasn't on the ship. I wasn't on the craft because where I was was a lot bigger than what I saw. You could fit three or four crafts in where I was.
00:12:39
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So, I have no idea. I can always surmise, I think it was like, I've said it would look like an airplane hangar. Maybe it was something governmental underground because there was a Nike missile sites, the Minutemen missile sites, you know, you had the NORAD towers there. You know, I don't know. I really don't know where I was, you know. But I can say this, that I had slid off and jumped onto what looked like an asphalt floor.
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I don't remember anything other than that. I had no carpet or anything. I just remember this blank floor. And I was grabbed by my left arm and it hurt. And I was taken out a door.
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by this individual. I don't really remember what he looked like. It was a long time ago. I don't remember. But it hurt. It was strong. And then I was taken down this hallway with very high walls. I'd say that 12 to 15 foot walls, everything was white, very narrow. At the end of the hallway, I was taken to the left. I remember the hallways. I don't remember anything very cool. I don't remember anything. It looked very elementary, very industrial to me.
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And then when I was brought into this room off to the right, I was to sit on this table and the wall in front of me was all like glass block. If you remember glass block, Holmes had it way back when in front of me and it kind of bowed like a coffee can or something. And there was a pocket to the left and a pocket to the right where you could go out into another area. Now I was on this table and looking straight ahead. And that's when I saw what,
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Yes theory had introduced on the show. This is what Omar was holding And there were two insect looking beans to my left that had what looked like bamboo legs Very thin bamboo like arms or limbs The center looked like you know like a whitish gray
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And they were facing a wall. So the two of them were facing a wall. They were only about six, eight inches away from the wall. So whatever it was they were doing, they were looking at something in this space. I jumped off the table. I was coming in and I was one minute, I was like feeling okay. Then the next minute I was anxious. And then it was calm again, it was anxious. And my emotions were all over the place. And I ran out the right side of this opening.
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And I walked and I ran or walk whatever into this huge open area that was larger than like an empty Walmart. But it was around the big whole area looked around and there were three hallways that came into it. There was one right across the way from me. There was one to the right and it was a wide one to the left. So it looked like a Y with the bottom of the Y being about as wide as a four lane road and the other maybe a single or double lane road. And I was immediately brought back in. I was put on this table.
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apparatus came down from the ceiling it's separated into two parts where I was sitting rose I was laying down it came over me I don't remember having clothes on at that point they were what looked like large packs of raisins that were fixed my body on the left side and
00:16:12
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You know, there was movement. There were other individuals. If you were there, um, I remember a couple of bumps to the head. Um, then I remember being back. I could hear my mother. I think it was my mom yelling family members yelling. Right. Um, I don't remember my brother so much. Um, although he remembers a lot of attention to his foot. He had a brace on his leg. Okay. So I was brought back into the,
00:16:42
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area, the hangar, where I first was. And then I remember being back in the car. Now, when we came to in the car, we all came to at different times. But what was interesting is my grandmother was now in the driver's seat. My mother was now in the passenger seat. My brother and I were in the same positions in the back. The only one who was awake at the time or the first one to be awake was my grandmother, Marion.
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And she didn't typically drive, you know, back in the days, you know, they didn't, you know, just didn't drive much, you know, license, but didn't have a car. So now she's got to go get help is the way she word. I need help. You know, my mom's not responding to me. The children aren't waking up. I don't know what just happened. So she tries to turn the station wagon around to go back to town, but there's really no way to turn around. It's this narrow dirt road. So she went down a dirt road on a spot, went back to town.
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which probably took about four or five minutes. None of us were awake yet. We were all still out. She was the only one awake. She goes into town and goes flying by silks, which is where she eventually stopped. She missed the entrance, went around, pulled back around to silks to get out to go in. When she got out, I was just coming to myself. And I remember seeing her through the windshield of the car as she was about to walk into silks convenience store, which was near our diner.
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So she starts to walk up the steps. I get out and I'm yelling, Nana, Nana. She goes in. I follow her in. She walks right by the clerk and goes to the back of the store where there were bikes and strollers and all kinds of different things. I'm trying to grab her arm. I'm calling her. She wasn't really making any sense. I don't know if I was making any sense. The clerk noticed that something's off.
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They talk for a moment, but the police never showed up. The paramedics never showed up. Um, so I guess what I'm trying to say is she was, went there to ask for help, but what do you ask for help for time? They got involved. I think she felt embarrassed to say what happened. The police, we didn't know it at the time, but the police were already out looking for this object that we had encountered because it was already went over the radio.
00:19:09
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We didn't know it. If we had said something, it probably would have made a big difference. And the way things happened, or we were treated later. But it didn't make any sense. I mean, it was just like, I remember standing there, the register, the whole bit, just in front of me.
Speculations and Societal Impact
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It was a creepy feeling because we were all just kind of
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You know going in our heads were like what just happened, you know, we're all feeling strange about what you know, and and she just sat there and and he never You know called anyone I never showed up. So we go back out to the car. My mom's now standing in front of one of the headlights My brother's still in the back of the car we go home the next day we had to open up the restaurant and so when we went in and
00:19:58
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My mother had a white radio over the grill. And there we go. Bang. All these people were talking about what they saw. That's my grandmother. That's my brother. That's my sister. All these people had called in and were still talking on the phone to the disc jockey at the time, Tom Jay. He was playing some pre-recorded stuff the night before. And so we're thinking to ourselves, well, maybe if Nana had just talked to him, got to register more,
00:20:25
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You know, things would have been a little bit different, but that's kind of what happened that night. Yeah, it's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. And between, you know, the time when you first came out of the bridge to where you ended up at the diner, what was the time period? And did you feel like the time was off at all? Yeah, we were sweeping out, putting the chairs up, and we had a jukebox in there. My mom used to throw us quarters.
00:20:49
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and listen to music. My bedtime was like nine o'clock back in the day. So we were leaving about eight 30. So it had just gotten dusk. And when we came back, my grandmother got to silks. Um, it was close. They were closing. It was almost 11 o'clock. So it was like two and a half to three hours. I mean, it was a long time. So that's another thing. It wasn't like this two hour timeframe. It was longer than that. And we all came out of it at different times. So that's something else we talk about. It's like, first, it was my, my grandmother, although she was a smaller woman. Then,
00:21:18
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myself, then my mother, then my younger brother. So we used to think, you know, or talk to ourselves or kind of discuss with people, you know, what if we were drugged? What if it was a drugging type of thing? What if, cause my brother goes, it was like a sodium pentathol to me is how he refers to it. And maybe it was something as basic as that because we all came out of it at different times and we're also different sizes. Right. So that's something we, we always thought there was a government involvement that we saw something that we shouldn't have seen. We were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
00:21:47
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And we witnessed something, or we were affected by something. And then government got involved, extracted us somehow, took us somewhere, made sure we were OK, whatever that was, or experimented on us or something. We're O negative, which is another blood type that was tracked by the US government back in the day because we're the universal donor. We try to find connections, but there are nine of us in our family that are all RH negative, which is rare. That's really weird.
00:22:18
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But honestly, that's that's uncommon. And so that is something different. You know, it was royal. Was it was was government trying to fly or work on something that they were back engineering and we were part of that? I don't know what the hell happened. I really don't. You know, all I know is that we were there, you know, had front row seats for it. And and it was something else. I was on Fox with, you know, Fox Prime Time.
00:22:47
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And something else that those who truly had an experience at night have bad eyesight, they have this burned out part of their retina. I've had five operations on my eyes. My eyes are terrible. You know, Melanie Kirchdorfer, who was part of it, she's got the same eye problem. The same rare eye problem that I do. You know? And so what Melanie went through and what I went through had the same effect on us.
00:23:17
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So I mean, it'll paint the picture, doesn't it? It paints a really, really compelling picture. So, you know, in the following years, how did how much of an effect or did it play a big part in your life? Was it something that you kind of carried with you or did you kind of did life get in the way, you know, talking about what happened that night still bothers me to this day. And although I act like I get past it, but every time I talk about it, I get dry mouth.
00:23:42
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It's understandable. But if I'm there, like when I was there with Yes Theory, I was OK at the bridge. I was OK at the park area. But as soon as I go down the road where the telephone pole was, I don't do so good. And I don't really know why, because whatever happened, when you think about it, didn't happen there. That's where we stopped. But for some reason, it triggered something with me. But I will say that when the 1969 incident was not
00:24:10
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what caused the problems for our family. It was 1967, which made the newspapers and everything. We had three episodes, three incidents of contact, if you will. 66 was one that was only witnessed by a handful of people. 67 was pretty well known. And that's when the Berkshire Eagle wrote about it and the Sheffield incident and the spheres and everything I'm talking about, who made the news. It's on my website, I don't know if you read that or not. And Scotty Rhee ran it 50 years later.
00:24:41
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69 kind of put a bull around it because a lot of people who were not so nice to us at the time and giving my mother crap in the diner and She was a single mom at the time and she was 28 29 years old trying to run a diner and you know Guys are guys right? So I think you know, you know it is so she endured a lot and But at the same time
00:25:07
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People were realizing that this was actually happening. A lot of people saw this. It was over 250 people were witnesses to it. I think, if I'm not mistaken, the craft followed the river, the Hudson River. It actually started in Connecticut, went to Massachusetts, then followed the river down.
00:25:27
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And what's interesting that in the 80s and 90s, there was the Hudson River Valley sightings, which also followed the Housatonic River and also followed the Hudson, right? So at that, my father later on became a politician and an attorney. And he was friends with this guy by the name of Robert Bletchman, who was also a lawyer. And Bletchman was putting together
00:25:51
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Symposium at the United Nations with Muhammad Robin who was the president of the parapsychology Society at the UN at the time and they were revisiting something called General Assembly 33 426 which was this idea of all our countries sharing information together with respect to the UFO topic, right and and so with that Bletchman by the way Linda Morton Howe was there Stanton freedom was there and
00:26:20
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We had no idea what Mufon was or anything else, but Robert was also the director of public relations for Mufon at the time. And so they're like, Mr. Reed, would you mind if we talked about your diner and the incident?
00:26:37
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you know, we were part of the space race. Our incident took place during the space race and the goodwill message that was left on the moon, those guys who worked on it actually ate in our diner and knew my parents. So there was that connection. So they thought, well, he's an attorney, a politician, their family had a very bona fide sighting. Maybe they'll allow us to mention that case in support of the Hudson River Valley sightings.
00:27:02
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because of my father's pillar standing, if you will, it would carry some weight. On the anniversary of that meeting, my father lost his life. Wow. Sorry to hear that. And our attorney, who mentioned it at the UN, passed about nine months after my father. And then the doctor who looked into my father's autopsy and everything,
00:27:33
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he died about a year later. So there's something much more here than just mentioning what happened.
Honoring a Legacy: Reed's Continued Advocacy
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So something Toby knows and some other people have very seldom ever written about, but know about it.
00:27:51
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is that back in the 60s, during a space race, they were making a lot more than just capacitors, right? They were making weapons and everything else. So my father knew a lot about this stuff. And so when he shared that, who knows what was actually said at the UN, because I wasn't there. But something caused my father to lose his life. And so
00:28:14
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why I'm even talking to you or involved in a topic isn't because I don't have anything else to do. It's because I want to pay tribute to my father, right? He was not going to lose his life for no reason, for no reason. He was 54 years old for God's sakes, you know? Sure. Absolutely. Take a case to the United Nations on October 2nd and your father dies on October 2nd, who's perfectly healthy at 54 after divulging a bunch of stuff at the UN.
00:28:43
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Is that a coincidence? You tell me. You know, so too convenient. Yeah, no one in our family believes that was a coincidence. Yeah, nobody. You have 365 days a year that you could pass and it happens to be on the same day you go to the United Nations and you're talking about classified stuff that had to do with the space race for God's sakes and UFOs and everything else back. This isn't now. It probably wouldn't have been a big deal, but in but in 92 it was, you know. Yeah, good question.
00:29:13
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Definitely. So anyway, um, you know, that's how it went to the UN and that's kind of what we saw, but there was a lot going on in the area. I mean, there were crafts that were seen by children at my school that it was like a ball of fire. It was like a tightly knit ball. Like we saw off to the right over the water came shooting right at a bunch of classmates. We used to go sledding at this hill near school. It took like a 90 degree turn and went down to the road, went over a home.
00:29:40
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there was a cigar looking thing. I mean, this area was, there was so much going on. So that's another thing, you know, the 69 event only made news because it was a holiday. All this other stuff people were seeing too, but then you, you know, you're on the bus with your other kids. And you see that yesterday? No, he's crazy. And then next thing you know, the bus driver's yelling at the kids to stop talking. Then you go to school, you draw something in class, you tape it to a chalkboard. Some kid rips it up thinking it's a joke.
00:30:08
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It was, it was just, but there were so many kids were doing this. Like after, after a school, right? My, what are the kids? Okay, wait, I'll go back up here for a minute. All right. So this is interesting too. So a lot of the kids, their parents had to drive them to school because again, this is farming community, right? You're talking about the, you can have a house in the closest house to you might be a eighth of a mile down the road.
00:30:34
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right? Because you got all this corn and steer and barns and tractors, right? So the bus isn't going to go to everyone's home, right? I mean, come on. So they park at the corners or whatever where your parents or your mother can take you to the corner, right? Where your dad's out there milking cows or whatever he's doing, right? Your mom takes you to school bus.
00:30:53
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So that got to be old too because the moms had to make them breakfast, wait for the bus, it's February, you got three feet of snow, it's cold outside, right? And so you're like, why don't I just take it to Reed's Diner? I'm sure she'll make you some breakfast and you can ride your bike to school. So that's what happened. So before you knew it, my mom would run a tab for all these little kids, right? We're talking first, second, third, fourth graders, right?
00:31:23
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And she had an area in the back. And back in the 60s, she had those banana seat bikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she would store all these bikes in the back. And the kids would be dropped off by their parents. They have French toast, whatever they wanted, right? And she'd keep track of it. And in the week, the parents would sell it. But in the meantime, the kids would also come back after school because they had to put their bikes in the back near a cooler.
00:31:47
Speaker
And so they had the jukebox. My mom would give them quarters. They'd drop them in a jukebox to listen to the stones, listen to creams, whatever it was. And to make these big baskets of fries and to deep fry them in bacon fat and all the kids are munching out. Well, it's those kids back in the day that remembered all this. And they're the ones who got this inducted into state.
00:32:08
Speaker
So is that relating to the, um, we've got some pictures here. I wanted to share, is this relating to the, uh, the governor's citation and, and things like that. So, so a lot of those kids, um, some are now historians. Um, Kevin Titus became a judge, um, Galata whose father was the chief of police. He used to eat there in the morning. He's the one that was on unsolved mysteries and pointed up and said, you know, that picture, that's my dad, you know, well,
00:32:34
Speaker
He was one that used to eat in her diner. He's like a couple of years older than me, but yeah. So he actually went looking for the UFO with his dad that night. They actually were dispatched and went looking for it. That's something else I want to talk about. He straightened that out. So anyway. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So back to the kids. So the children that would eat in their diner in the morning,
00:32:56
Speaker
Listen to music, right? This is the 60s. There was no FM stations in our area. If you wanted to listen to music, you dropped a quarter in a jukebox. The only other spot that had a jukebox was the bowling alley. So if you wanted to have a sandwich, listen to the stones, chill out and have a chocolate shake afterwards, you ate at our diner, right? And everybody at Sprague who was working on the Goodwill Message and everything else, working on a space race, they knew it too, right? So that was a hangout. And so with that said, those kids, 30 or 40 of them, a lot of kids,
00:33:27
Speaker
Later on, when this was being looked at by the Historical Society in Massachusetts, the Sheffield case, they were reaching out to people. Have you ever heard of this? Yeah, I used to eat there. I remember it. Who else was there? Judge Titus. Who else was there? The chief of police's son used to go. So there were all these people that were reputable that remembered all that. And because my father passed,
00:33:57
Speaker
They knew him, you know, and a lot of these kids I went to school with too. He was advocating something that took place in that community, in that town of Sheffield. And so in some respects, there was this interest to pay something forward to him, which became the monument and stuff like that. Then there were donations and then it became a park. And after the state, you know, I took my polygraph test and
00:34:26
Speaker
And, you know, they found the old archives and things and they spoke to the radio station that actually broadcast this that night because Tom Jay actually was home, got a call. They spoke to the police department and they were trying to find out where this thing was.
00:34:41
Speaker
And again, Unsolved didn't mention anything about this part of it. He drove back to the radio station, broke into the tape, the real-to-real type thing to get on the radio and so on and say, listen, if you guys see this thing, call the station. That's why Jan Green, who was in Unsolved Mysteries, went back to the station and was knocking on the door and saying, well, if you just go outside, you'd probably see us right there. So there's a lot of things that haven't been told quite honestly. But the bottom line here, what I'm trying to really stress here,
00:35:10
Speaker
is that if my mom wasn't so nice to those kids, we wouldn't be talking today. It was the fact that she opened her door to all these kids so that they could ride their bike and they became historians, judges, police officers, you name it.
00:35:27
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Now, one thing you sent me a couple of videos, we've got the polygraph officer who, you know, who spoke with you and we've got the lawyer who authenticated the historical society. That's important too. Yeah. Do you want me to play these videos? And if so, I talk about the lawyer. Okay. So Toby, Toby wrote an article a little while ago, worked on an article that
00:35:51
Speaker
Kind of talks about how this whole thing got inducted, too, because there was a lot going on there, too. So the Kessler law firm, Debbie Kessler was the attorney's wife, who actually went to Roswell. She went to the Roswell Museum and the research center. And she was looking for anything she could find about 33, 426, which was, what is it, the extraterrestrial intelligence in human future. That was the symposium.
00:36:21
Speaker
held by Muhammad Ramadan. She found some of that also in the Black Vault. She found some of it in the Black Vault.
00:36:28
Speaker
And anything to do with a high net classification or sightings that were reported back in the day. So she took all that material. She got a lot of that from the Roswell Research Library and folded it to the state of Massachusetts. And in doing so, she also was responsible for getting it before a judge to authenticate these documents as being a true document because the Historical Society would not listen to anything that they could not
00:36:53
Speaker
um, Dean, a, um, a source document. Okay. It can't go off a copy of this or a copy of that. And so would that the Roswell research library, I guess the city of Roswell played a significant role in getting this inducted. And so, yeah, there's a little bit of a tape. She was recorded for a show that was never aired. So I was given this piece, which I think you're going to play. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'll meet myself while I play. Yeah. That's the law firm.
00:37:32
Speaker
Now no audio We had that same problem too, you know the other night trying to play something But that's her yeah Kessler law firm
00:37:59
Speaker
My name is Debbie Kessler and my to be ex-husband Frank Kessler and I own a law office and it's in Tennessee. I've been his paralegal for about 29 years running his law office. We have worked side by side in his firm. I actually met Tom by coincidence. And as we began to speak and get to know each other, we realized that we had a lot of connections. He knew my family in Miami and had had a lot of workings with them.
00:38:29
Speaker
And as such, we started talking about the things that had happened to he and his family. And he isn't wanting to talk about that too openly because he knows it's pretty far fetched. But as he, you know, as we got to know each other, he began to open up a little bit more and more. And I will stress to you that in the 29 years, well, actually, I've been doing a little longer than 29 years.
00:38:53
Speaker
But in the years that I have been doing the legal, paralegal and legal secretary work for all those years, I was taught that you are to look at all aspects and to look for inconsistencies. You have to look for the little lies, the little things that people want you to believe, the little things that maybe
00:39:15
Speaker
They are not exactly lies, but they want the story to lean a little this way or lean a little that way. And over the years, being representing different people and doing things like contracts and even divorce work and
00:39:30
Speaker
making sure that we have the right agreement down and the right contracts together, we have to make sure that we are believing the right person because we didn't want five years or three years to come back and bite us by them saying, well, this is not the way it was. And well, didn't you understand that this person said this or said that? So Frank and I were always very careful and cautious in anything that we did all throughout the practice.
00:39:57
Speaker
And so, therefore, in any time I was talking to Tom or even in my conversations with his mother Nancy or his brother Matthew, I've always listened and paid attention and looked for those inconsistencies, whether they be large or small. And of course, I've spoken to Tom much more than I ever have his mother and his brother. But with the three of them, I've never found any inconsistencies.
00:40:26
Speaker
When his mother has spoken to me outside, away from Tom, her story's the same. Her story has the same details. Her story says the same thing. When I speak to Tom, his story doesn't change. I've tried to ask him several things upside down, backwards, forwards, you know, east to west, and his answers were always the same.
Military Involvement and Credibility Concerns
00:40:47
Speaker
He hasn't changed. When he began to show us the documents that several of them had gone before the UN or had been mentioned at the UN and were part of a symposium there, there were several documents that some people might look at that and say, well, we don't know if that's a real document. But when I started doing research on it and was looking into it, the players are real.
00:41:13
Speaker
the people that are mentioned, the signatures that are there, all absolutely appear to be real, real people, real people in those positions at the time. Amazing. Yeah, they were pretty instrumental in getting all this moving forward.
00:41:42
Speaker
You know, Massachusetts, I don't think they had any idea they were going to find as much as they did, you know, with all the witnesses and the credibility of those who were part of it and the radio station.
00:41:53
Speaker
And there was some of the articles you read say, oh, there were 40 witnesses. No, there were 40 people who came that were original witnesses, part of that 250, when they unveiled the monument in memory of my late father. So yeah, I mean, it's quite a thing to be part of. It did it. You asked me earlier how to change things for me. My mother had asked me when I was young.
00:42:23
Speaker
what would you like for your birthday or Christmas or whatever it was? And I set a camera, you know? And if I hadn't seen what I did, I wouldn't have asked for a camera to capture it. If I ever saw it again, not, not thinking I never would. Right. But you never know. Right. And, uh, so that became my career. You know, I became a,
00:42:42
Speaker
a fast photographer in Miami and, you know, the whole bit that, you know, the modeling agency and the whole bit. So who knows? Maybe it would have been in like lawn care or vehicle maintenance. So I try to find a good in it, you know, um, I'm not wanting to, you know, there are times it still bothers me. I don't, I, you would have thought by now, no, but it does, you know, even talking to you earlier, it bothers me, you know, I don't know why because I talk about it so often, but, um,
00:43:11
Speaker
You know, I want to get into the details, you know, you know, I don't know what happened to me. You know, you know, I wasn't awake for so much of it. Who knows what happened? I mean, I do have like and I got this little scoop mark on my arm. Some people say, you know, that's something I also happen to have one on this hand as well. So I have one on each wrist. I am all negative. We are. It's negative. We were.
00:43:39
Speaker
in an area that was surrounded by governmental manufacturing facilities funded by the government with NASA and the space race and the NARA towers and the missile sites. And, you know, I think it only makes sense that there was a military, you know, military was involved in some of this. And so I'm very careful in how I word what really happened to me. So when I passed the polygraph test I took, right, so I'll give you an example. People say, well, why don't you ever talk about the fact, you know, you're abducted or what have you.
00:44:09
Speaker
Well, I don't really know who took me from the car. I don't know. So the part of me really believes that there was a military aspect or part of this, right? And so with that, if I were to just jump on board and say, okay, this is what happened and I'm wrong,
00:44:30
Speaker
Part of me knows that, that I don't really, I'm not really 100% sure. So I could fail a polygraph. Then what good am I to anybody else in this topic if I fail a polygraph test at this point? So my gut tells me there was a military involved, there was a human aspect to what happened to us that night.
00:44:51
Speaker
So I try to be overly careful, but for the right reasons, I think, you know, I understand that completely. I mean, we talk about validity though. You recently, or you have appeared with the, uh, the body language experts, they, they're quite popular on YouTube and that, and you know, they interviewed you with quite an extensive interview and then they put out a separate video analysis and, you know,
00:45:13
Speaker
You were legit in their eyes. And these are four of the biggest experts in the world. For anybody out there that isn't aware of these guys, they've spoken to Bob Lazar and other people outside of the UFO community. They cover all things. And I have linked the videos in the description below. And I urge everybody to go and watch that because it's really, really eye-opening. Well, it is what it is. Yeah, exactly. That's why I don't take liberties. I don't sensationalize things.
00:45:42
Speaker
I'm grateful for those who came forward and helped support us. It was just luck that the radio station was still in business in 2015 in the same building, that kind of thing. And a lot of the people in the area still live there to this day. But they're not going to be there forever. I mean, I'm in my 60s, for God's sakes, right? So a lot of them are older than me. And the Jan Green, the Melanie Kirchdorfers, she's legit.
00:46:24
Speaker
the reboot, which is season one, episode five of Unsolved Mysteries. It's available on Netflix. It's available here in the UK. I can't speak for every country, but I urge everyone to go and watch it. But then you want to kind of explain a bit about it just to sort of lay the record straight. So I was contacted back in 2012 or so by a woman by the name of Cindy. She was a segment producer for what ended up being our episode.
00:46:30
Speaker
not everybody in Unsolved Mysteries was legit, but she was.
00:46:52
Speaker
And they were absolutely, you know, they were taken by the fact that this was inducted as an historically true event, which it was. And so the whole idea of doing this show was to, you know, I had a website in 2015 or so, it was the Berkshire's UFO website. And so it ended up being named that the Berkshire's UFO, not Tom Reed's Berkshire's UFO, but you know, you go to Berkshire's UFO.com, that's my website.
Connecting the Dots: Hudson River Sightings
00:47:19
Speaker
And so,
00:47:21
Speaker
Anyway, they were, I think that when they went to town and they started talking to all these people, I don't think they knew how many other people were part of it. And so this thing grew and grew and grew until they were, you know, they had
00:47:40
Speaker
you know, Melanie on it. They had the radio station on it. They actually recorded Kevin Titus. I mentioned Kevin Titus was a judge. He was the one who actually witnessed the cattle mutilations, which didn't make the show. They filmed a lot with him, but that didn't make the show. So they removed that, because that also screwed up the flight plan, because they wanted to show it following the water.
00:48:00
Speaker
Well, it actually started in Connecticut around 6 15 right around dinnertime And then it went all the way up to Pittsfield, Massachusetts and then came back towards Canaan again So that Canaan was hit twice but the first time he and his uh And his friend were they had a 22 rifle and they were shooting little pinging, you know cans and stuff in the backyard, right? So it actually started where it says North Canaan. Yeah, then it was seen in Pittsfield, right? Just like that. Yep
00:48:30
Speaker
And what was interesting, we discussed this before we came on the air, was that the orange line seems to pretty much relate to the path this object took. But if you look at the water line, and you pointed this out to me, it almost follows the water line. I mean, that's fascinating. Yeah. So it started North Canada. That's where they found two cows mutilated.
00:48:52
Speaker
They actually called the National Guard Base, which didn't get an episode. And then it was noticed. I think the first massive sighting was in Pittsfield, which is a pretty big town, by the way. It's a pretty good sized little city. And so a lot of sightings of Pittsfield and that's where the Norad Towers were in Dalton, which is right next to Pittsfield. So it was seen up there and then it came through Stockbridge. That's where Melanie lived. Remember Melanie Kirchstorfford? She lives in Stockbridge. And so
00:49:21
Speaker
In Stockbridge, the water does go to the left, you can see that, and that is where the lake was. Great Barrington, that's where the lake was. We're seeing Great Barrington, if you go down a little bit, where the B is or the A in Barrington, go up. Go up a little bit. Yeah, right in there is where the lake is, that Melanie had her experience. By the way, she had hers about the same time that I had ours because she actually had seen it first
00:49:48
Speaker
We encountered it about 45 minutes to an hour later, but we came back at three hours. She didn't return to the street, but a car or see your family to the next morning. So she was theoretically very possibly at the same place that I was at the same time. Yeah. Now then you see where it goes to Egermont. I don't think anybody ever said it went to Egermont, but Egermont is a ski resort. So it's a very high elevation.
00:50:18
Speaker
And these golfers are the ones that reported it, which it got its high net classification, but they were also very high up. And so in some respects, one of them was actually saying it was almost eye level. Okay.
00:50:34
Speaker
I wouldn't say it actually went to Igermont. I think it still followed the waterway, but it was definitely seen by Igermont, and it got a classification from Igermont, which is on one of those letters that you showed up a minute where you showed up from the Historical Society moments ago. So then, right around Great Barrington again, actually, you see where it says that's seven right there in front of Sheffield?
00:51:12
Speaker
Who was a witness to this too along with her father who was having a barbecue or a picnic if you will That's also going to be in our book. She spoke out about it. That's where they saw it They actually were seeing it here when the craft had crossed the street. They don't show it crossing the highway so the craft that they saw Was coming down probably in between where your cursor is and the orange dot right about in the middle of somewhere in there
00:51:31
Speaker
this one here
00:51:39
Speaker
Okay, following the waterway. She saw it actually cross route seven. So it actually went across seven, right? If you go up a little higher, it's probably right about there. Yeah, well, right in there is pretty much where they saw it cross the road. One point was on the opposite side of that waterway. And so we left town, which is pretty much where that orange dot is underneath Sheffield. And we went across the bridge.
00:52:08
Speaker
And that's kind of where we met. We ran into it right there. So we think that there were these spheres or, um, you know, I call them a sphere. Some people call them an orb. Yeah. Yeah. What, what Gina had seen looking up over towards the mountain of Egermont.
Media and Misconceptions
00:52:28
Speaker
Uh, she said that all of a sudden it looked like the hill had been, you know, engulfed in a veil of gold. Okay.
00:52:36
Speaker
So it was casting something was happening with the color of the hill. And she saw these orbs like all join and split apart or spheres, if you will. And, you know, that whole thing that you hear a lot about the round balls. Well, that's what she was watching with her sister. And she was very descriptive about it now.
00:52:57
Speaker
their whole family had a barbecue they saw, which would have been just minutes before we ran into it, just minutes before, because, you know, we live next door to them. I mean, we could, they used to walk to the school bus with me. And so, you know, you're talking maybe three miles from where we were that close.
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's fascinating. It's good to be able to put it on a map or a timeline and show, you know, to get that better picture of it. Yeah. So yeah. So when it came to the actual show then on Netflix, was there anything you kind of want to touch base on? Yeah, whether it's positive, negative, you know, I'll leave it. I'll leave it up to you. All right. The positives. It was the only show to show the path that it took. OK. They they did a good job on all the
00:53:50
Speaker
you know, uh, they, they focused on the radio station, which was important, but I don't think they mentioned that, uh, you know, Tom Jay, he was a ham radio operator back in a day and he heard some of the stuff over the ham radio, uh, called the police. The police at the time didn't, you know, didn't staff the police department, you know, at 11, 12 o'clock at night because you're talking about a town.
00:54:14
Speaker
But not that many people, right? So they went home. And so with that, they had asked him to go on the radio and break in and say, hey, listen, anybody out there, see what's going on. Can you call the station? And so that was the role he played, which they kind of touched on it, but they really didn't. And then they
00:54:33
Speaker
The next day, the radio station, you know, played a lot of their calls that came in. And in the 80s, they still had the archive. So in the 80s, when this was going to the UN, they actually replayed it. So they did have copies into the 80s. Now Tom Jay passed away, but his wife was still around and was willing to talk. So I don't know why she didn't get on the show because the DJ's wife was actually still alive to this day and lives in the same house. They did say that they didn't know where the tapes were today. Well, according to
00:55:03
Speaker
Tom Jay's wife, she thinks that they're in Arizona at their children's home. So whether they are, aren't, I don't know, but apparently after Tom Jay passed, there were all these, uh, these boxes from the station that went to their families. Um, with that, so, um, a lot of that could have been in the show, but it wasn't. And then one of the things I will say is this. Okay. So the incident took place in Sheffield. Okay.
00:55:29
Speaker
It also was seen in Great Barrington and Pittsfield and Lennox in the whole bit, but it wasn't reported to the police department in those towns. It was reported by the radio station to the Great Barrington Police Department that it was seen over Sheffield. So it wouldn't be in a Great Barrington Police Department's notes. When the golfers at Agramont
00:55:54
Speaker
You know, they were teeing off and everything and have their pallet set on some champagne and a steak. When they reported it, they called the radio station because a girl had an outdoor radio pocket radio thing and they called, they went in and used a black dial phone and they called the radio station, which at that point went to Sheffield. There were no reports in Great Barrington. Melanie's family didn't report it. They went home.
00:56:20
Speaker
Melanie wasn't there to report it. She didn't find herself back in that street until the next morning. You know, Jan Green, who was on Unsolved Mysteries, went to the radio station. The reports were going to the radio station. They were contacting the Sheffield Police Department because it wasn't seen in Great Barrington. So anyway, with that, in the show, they show, you know, what's his name?
00:56:47
Speaker
The family Galato was the police chief and his son who was in the show. So that's my dad, you know, hunting or whatever it was. So that was his gas station, Galato's gas station. He's a good guy, by the way. He's still in the school family, not so much him, but his brother Tony. Anyway, they used to come in our restaurant and he really liked the fries again, you know, the whole thing. But anyway, he talks about how he got the call and his father, who was the chief of police in the area, small town.
00:57:14
Speaker
they went out and looked for it because people were reporting seeing it land. So they should have focused on that more and not bring in some officer going, well, I don't see anything. Well, because it wasn't reported to you. And besides it's something else too. People get this. You can't, a sighting is not a police report. It's not a crime, right? They know that. Why would a document driven program
00:57:43
Speaker
you know, lead people to believe something when they know better, right? So if I, if you saw a UFO outside your podcast right now, right? It's not a crime. You can't file a police report. There's been no crime committed. Exactly. But there are sightings, there are statements. And so Sheffield has statements. Great Barrington wouldn't have anything
00:58:09
Speaker
reported because it wasn't there was no crime committed and it wasn't reported to them to begin with that was that was not in my opinion you know done that I mean yeah I mean it's understandable absolutely it added a weak link to it along with you know someone else that shouldn't have been in the show but that's all right
00:58:26
Speaker
No, yeah, I mean, I'd still I'd still recommend to anybody watching or listening to go check it out. You know, it's it's it's well put together. I mean, now that if you've watched or listened to this interview and then go and watch it for the first time, at least you know what to look for. Also, we mentioned earlier on the Ammar and the Yes Theory YouTube channel came out and filled with you.
00:58:47
Speaker
I've linked their sort of mini documentary in the description, and that's definitely worth watching. They cover it really, really fast. Well, there's some better ones. I mean, I think one of the best shows ever done on us was Travel Channels. UFO Witness was good, but probably the best one, to be honest with you, was Travel Channels UFO Undercover.
00:59:04
Speaker
They talk about my father being a politician. They talk about how the state, you know, inducted it. I mean, that was a very good documentary. That was by far the best. I think that they went a little further. You know, there's this box, right? They want to stay, you know, within those realms, you know, and leave it kind of woey and leave out what really matters. That particular show, I was on it with Lauren Eisenhower. You know, his father was also
00:59:32
Speaker
or grandfather, you know, President Eisenhower. And of course my father was a political person. So the two of us got in that show together because of the government type of thing. It was good timing, you know? And so with that, they dug a little deeper, you know, they really did. They talked about the crop circles. They showed the crop circles. They took pictures of that.
UFO Expo: A Unique Experience
00:59:52
Speaker
They actually have a picture of the sphere in the area. You know, and again, you know, mention my father and that kind of,
01:00:01
Speaker
deeper dive and and You know, they weren't afraid to take some chances. I guess it's the worst way to word it just like yes theory I mean they were they were amazing. They did a great job. So Did I recommend so I'm gonna go and try and find that travel channel UFO and yeah, it's on VMO, I think
01:00:19
Speaker
OK, OK, I'll find a link to it if you want, but that'd be that'd be great, because I could be searching for a long time here. I appreciate it. Please do. And listen, Tom, before we finish off, I did just want to talk about UFO Expo. Oh, yeah, sure. You know, you've graciously invited me to virtually speak in the event. I can't wait to do that. And yeah, I wanted to just at least show the Web site and you kind of want to talk us through it just because it's such a unique event. So.
01:00:45
Speaker
Okay, so yeah, yeah UFO Expo Is a conference that I used to hold in Massachusetts and Salem, Mass. And in Florida and that was approached by Roswell to the city of Roswell if you will And Elizabeth Michael specifically to move it there because the you know, the town is known for this type of a topic and
01:01:09
Speaker
And Roswell played a part in getting our case inducted into United States history. So when they asked me if I'd move it there, I was like, sure, let's do it. And so we got an unbelievable lineup. I mean, we're going to have primary speakers, secondary virtual speakers coming in. Toby's going to be there. You're going to be part of it. We've got a film fest happening.
01:01:35
Speaker
We're going to have a little bit of cosplay. There's a woman that I'm speaking with, Elena, who runs Galacticon. And because there's two colleges nearby, and we thought, why not add a little cosplay competition thing, have some fun with that.
01:01:56
Speaker
We're going to have what's called tracks are not going to be the same old, same all where we're going to just stand behind a podium and go down memory lane. We're going to talk about the subject as a whole. So Travis Walton fire in the sky, maybe he brings in a couple other people from, you know, from the truck that night, you know, and talks about things that he something a little bit different. We want to broaden it. So we're going to have the primary speaker be an interview with two chairs on stage, no podium.
01:02:21
Speaker
glass of water between, you know, talking like friends and then have the screen behind where we'll show a clip and then Skype somebody else in or zoom someone else in to talk about that as a group and then take a microphone, go around the room and talk about it. So it's more interactive. We're going to get more people talking and asking questions to these people that they normally just have to sit on a fold out chair for an hour and a half and try to take it all in. You're like, you know, I need, you know, God, it's like, you know, this every two hours, right?
01:02:51
Speaker
We're going to try to open it up and bring something a little bit different. So again, you know, Steve Bassett, you know, you know, Tyrone Vaughn, actually, who's related to Steve Raven, he gave us a guitar to auction off at the event. So it's signed by Melissa Tittle and Rita King. She's the daughter of BB King. She's going to be
01:03:15
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She's part of it. Yeah, so it is. It's just a unique event and I'm just yeah, I'm just so honored to be a part of it. Yeah, it's working at once.
01:03:25
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Again, everybody that's interested, the link's in the description of the video as well, you know. So will you be selling virtual tickets? Can people watch if they can't make it in person? No, you know, a lot of people ask us that, but, you know. It's not viable. And, you know, right now, to be honest with you, we have, it's such a big event that, theoretically, we could sell these tickets for $250 to $300. I mean, just think about it. You saw it. I mean, that's only part of it. You know, there's a lot of money invested in this one.
01:03:55
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And we're also working with the city of Roswell as well to rekindle or start the Main Street Roswell event too. And of course the Roswell Daily Record is part of it. So we really wanna keep it, it's a way to say, hey, thanks to Roswell, let's do something awesome for you. Maybe next year we broaden it or something, but this year we're gonna try to just, it's our way too of saying thanks.
01:04:23
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But at the same time, it's a good opportunity to bring something different to Roswell. And I think about this too. The Fourth of July, when they have their festival, there's only so many flights. There's only so many planes. There's only so many hotel rooms, right? And so not everybody can always go Fourth of July weekend.
01:04:38
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but now they have an event to go to during spring break and now they can also go to the museum. Now they can also see what Roswell has to offer, you know, at the same time without, you know, you know, you have spring break as you've got colleges everywhere, right? You got, if I know if I lived outside Roswell, I'd want to see a festival there again. I don't want to hear something else. You know, you have the same thing a lot, right? You have the speakers, the same event kind of thing. So bring something new
01:05:06
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that complements what's in place. It's not taking over something, or it's not going to be compared to something else. It's just something different. And so I'm really looking forward to it. I mean, it's going to be awesome. And it also gives me an opportunity to clear the air on things, some things I really can't say in the air that we've talked about off the air because some things are just not cool. You know what I mean? So it gives me an opportunity to add to what happened with our family at the same time
01:05:36
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Uh, pay something back to Roswell and have my friends hang out and, uh, have some drinks with everybody. Have you ever done a shot with Travis Walton? No. You had a beer with my, you have with, uh, Mike Barr from ancient aliens. No. Well, you can.
01:05:52
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There you go. That's amazing. Well, I'm honored to be a part of it. I can't wait to present what I've been working on. I'm really excited for that. But again, this has been an absolutely wonderful conversation. I knew it would be. I really, really appreciate you taking the time out. You have the documents. Can you put those up real quick? Do you have the one from the governor? I want to touch on something real quick. I do indeed. Yeah, bear with me.
01:06:17
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I don't want to keep. No, no, no, not at all. Did you want the history? Is that a historical society letter? Well, that we put that up real quick. If you don't mind. I don't mind at all. Yeah, you have it. So, OK. So I have this one. Can you blow it up a little bit or no? Yeah, yeah. All right. So you see where this will give you an idea of the amount of information that came to them. So if you look at. Let's see. OK, WSBS radio station.
Geographical Analysis of the Encounter
01:06:46
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It talks about the September 1st, 1969 incident. It was issued a Heineck classification. That was from the golfers at Egermark Country Club. And that's because it was so high they had a view of it. And then J. Allen Heineck and
01:07:05
Speaker
For whatever reason, even though it took place in 1969, it never made Project Blue Book. Project Blue Book ended that year. So it never actually got in there, but it was issued the classification. It just never got entered, which is unfortunate too. However, and if you look at the rest of it too, factual corroborated evidence and the polygraph tests that I had to take for them, I mean, there was a lot. They didn't just jump on this,
01:07:35
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You know right away this they've investigated this for two years. Yeah Yeah, it's amazing the one from the governor Okay, here's something else now this particular one that you have is not the correct one. Oh And I'm gonna explain this okay, please please yeah, so if you look at
01:08:00
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the citations and some of the, uh, stuff that's floating around out there for those who don't like the topic, you know, fallen angels, whatever that problem is they have with this topic, you'll see that they'll say the governor rescinded the citation or this took it back. That's the one he took back. If you look in there, there is no date of when it took place, right? Yep. He reissued one two weeks later in November.
01:08:31
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So you have these reporters that go, oh, didn't the governor, you know, rescind his citation? Well, he rescinded the first one because he amended it and reissued it. So if you go to the website, you'll see the new one that has date. And so that's something I wanted to clarify. Then they talked about taking the monument. Do you remember about that? Oh, they moved the monument. Yeah. All right. They remove that.
01:08:58
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They act. There it is. If you blow that up, you'll see the dates on that one. That's the amended one. Yep. September 1st, 69. Right. And that's the bridge in the background, right? That's it. We were coming out left to right. OK. Right. And where that white sphere was that also fired these rods of like poles of light in the water is right about right about where that is, where your cursor is a little. OK, just on this. You can see the water to the right of the
01:09:29
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Monument on the right corner of course yeah i didn't even notice that. Right and the other one the one that was like an iron sphere was to the left of the bridge quite a ways down actually so we actually came out so you can tell if if just by looking at this though the white sphere would have been kind of where that water is the other one would have been on the other side we split them.
01:09:49
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And as we went down the road right past where this marker is right here, that's where we came into the craft. So we were sitting between all three pieces. Yeah. There's a lot down there. And then you've got the other craft would have been over here. Right. That's a good shot too. Yeah. There's a little sign that were right there. That piece was donated by History Channel's ancient aliens. Oh, wow. Yeah. And the
01:10:18
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Sculpture itself was built by Len Marnot who's the brother of Lewis Marnot who directed the movie bats with Lou Diamond Phillips way back in the day Wow So that so what they did is the see how the bridge is actually I'm hoping I'm you know taking up too much of your time But do you see what those poles are? Yeah. Yeah. Okay those ballads in the rocks. Yeah the town is
01:10:41
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had an easement or what i would say is a rite of passage to go through this land this land is owned by a dairy farm so if you back up you back up a little bit i'll show you something okay and by the way that house in the background that's larkins his his son was a witness to it too he's caught he's a police officer now so right here if you see this path right
01:11:03
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The town when they block yep, that's that's basically the road. That's the road we drove on, right? That's not even a road. It's like a path, right? Yeah So those ballads when the town put those ballads up in front of the bridge, they not only forbid their own From going through it to use it for emergency vehicles, but they also denied the landowner rights Wow, well the town lost
01:11:28
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their rite of passage because they willingly and knowingly blocked themselves off. But what they also did was now they also blocked passage or entrance by the Pine Island Farms workers. So now they have to go all the way around to use the road. So the town actually lost their rite of passage. But they pushed so hard to move that marker. And the way they got it moved was to say that it infringed
01:11:55
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It's not blocking the road. It infringed on their expired rite of passage.
Eerie Experiences and Personal History
01:12:05
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That is how adamant they were that they didn't want to be associated with the UFO topic. But since then, I've got them on H&Aliens and everything else. So take that. That's so fascinating. It really is. Oh, my goodness. OK, well.
01:12:25
Speaker
I'm in no rush, but I guess you got to go. So it's all right. No questions. Anybody in check on any questions? I think most for just, uh, here we go. There's one here from your name. Hi, Tom. Thank you for sharing all of this. I wonder, have you had more sightings after the first one? If so, were they similar or different? Okay. I will, I will tell you something. So in 2009, my brother was in Avon, Indiana, and he ended up being part of the Kokomo boom. Do you remember the Kokomo boom? That's one of you want to look up.
01:12:55
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Um, that's where Debbie Cabo lives, who the book or intruders was written about her by, but yeah. Yep. So it's the same town. She lives on. We're friends now, but we didn't know each other then. And so my brother had an incident. He was at a movie theater with his friends and they saw, again, that orange ball sphere. Like we saw his kids, but you know, what we saw as a kid though, like I said, when I talk about the sphere, the, the orange sphere that we saw back in the day was about the size of a Volkswagen bug.
01:13:24
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Wow. The white one off to the left was like four times larger. It was much bigger. And my brother saw something very similar in size, color, and everything that almost mirrored what we saw originally that night in Sheffield, Massachusetts.
01:13:41
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And so he found himself off the road. He was trying to follow. They were leaving a movie. Anyway, unknown to him that all these people were reporting, seeing that the following day. So he contacted the police because he used to work for SWAT. He was part of that anyway. He was a fugitive recovery agent at the time. And so he was like, yeah, man, I saw it too. He's packing heat. He's like, they're not going to give me a hard time. I'm working with SWAT for god's sake. Nothing worse. They did. They said, well, if you want to report it, call NASA. They joked with him.
01:14:11
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Anyway, that's when the star team came in from move on and so on and so forth. And all these people start taking it more seriously because again, it was a mass sighting. So he was part of that. But interesting though, is that he remembers having some type of an incident at night in his bed.
01:14:30
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And oddly enough, I did too. And I actually reported it to those I was talking to. So around the same time this happened with him in Avon, Indiana, I had something happen with me at the house. And so did my son. And we had a friend visiting from Florida who was crashing in on a mattress. My son used to have the bonus room. And we threw a mattress out. He was a last minute thing. And they all saw this light, my brother
01:14:57
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remembers seeing images and his same thing my son was talking about when he said this light came in. It looked like a doorway over his bed that like opened up like the size of a sheet. His friend that was visiting from Florida saw the same thing, saw this light. He called his mother, wanted to be taken home.
01:15:18
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I remember like almost happy. It was the craziest thing. A lot of this like paranormal activity was happening in our house. The same time was happening with his and here's the kicker. When he saw that his son was turning six the same age my brother was when he saw this in 1969. So we have had to come full circle here. Yeah.
01:15:50
Speaker
You know, smudge marks, things that we see, hear sounds like people walking up and down stairs. And it's so vivid. It's so in your face that you'll actually look at the stairs and you'll hear it. There's nothing at the stairs. I mean, it's crazy. My girlfriend was over a while back, right? And she's like hanging out on bed. She had a good, nice looking body, right? So she's hanging out on bed, right? With nothing on, right? We're watching TV and stuff. And all of a sudden, you know, we hear these footsteps coming up the stairs. We're like, oh my God, it's going to be my son or something, right? So she's grabbing a blanket, covering herself. And I'd go to the door. We'll be out in a minute. There's nobody there.
01:16:11
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We have had paranormal things happen in our house ever since.
01:16:23
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How strange. Yeah. Wow. I mean, they do say, I mean, a lot of people say, you know, experiences, once they have that initial experience, then it kind of comes back or repeats, you know, in a lot of cases, you know, that's true. I hear about that a lot. And my mother, her first incident was in 1954. Right. I don't talk about that much. My mother first seen something and gooseneck main while her brother was being interviewed at a college
01:16:52
Speaker
Uh there, you know, so here's another thing, right? This is crazy right first. I know i'm rambling so good So so my mother Had her first experience In 1954 and She was Later on she bought a house. That was What is it? Um, oh my god, it was 1554 anyone had to do with the same date. It was relevant to the date that she sucked because she was 15
01:17:21
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what she saw in 1954, and she bought a house that was 1954, then if you go back to the article from the governor, you're going to pull it up or anything, that was issued on my mother's birthday. Look at the data. It's October 17th or 20th. So it was issued on my mother's birthday, 27 actually, should know that. And the Boston Globe article that came out about us making US history,
01:17:50
Speaker
came out on my father's birthday. So many little. So you look at my father's death certificate and you look at the article from the Boston Globe that has our picture on it for making history. Same day. That's crazy. Oh, I want to tell you one more thing. OK. So this is something else that I very seldom ever mentioned. All right. So do you remember a movie with Susan St. James
01:18:19
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It was called a death in Canaan the Peter Riley murder Anybody see right now look it up a death in Canaan the Peter Riley murder Peter Riley trial The death of Barbara Gibbons, however, it's word. It's been like three books a couple movies Okay, so that happened not far from our diner and by the way I'll tell you one more thing too before I forget that the magnesium that was mined for the atom bomb Was mined just miles from our diner
01:18:48
Speaker
Okay, that's interesting. Okay. That's what I'm talking with a lot of government. Yeah. So when my father Married my mom who she came into the diner. She was getting picked on back in the day in the 60s and he was from New York and So he's like hey man, you know you want if you want that to eat here you're gonna apologize Otherwise you're gonna eat you're gonna leave and my mom's like my hero, right? So they ended up dating you got married shot about a red horse, right? So anyway later on when You know things were working. I was like three or four years later. They got married
01:19:19
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And he was in law school and wanted to run for mayor, you know, and stuff like, you know, he wanted to do something. He was tired of the way we were treated. So he wanted to get into a position where he could do something nice for locals because it was just something he thought, you know, why did it treat you that way? Right. Sure. So he looks for a house to buy. And guess what house we bought? Where the murder of Peter Riley took place. God.
01:19:46
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Yeah, so I'm thinking to myself, why would you do that anyway? So yes, so where this Peter Riley murder took place. It was like it had an apple orchard, a nice size house. There was a cottage on the property, which used to be an old post office, which is where she was killed. And there was a barn where we kept our classic cars. We had, you know, cars back in the day, you know, nice ones.
01:20:11
Speaker
442 her stoles this is for another lunch, but yeah, you know so Anyway, so why we live there there were times I went into that little house I couldn't I couldn't stand it. Yeah, I'm very sensitive to things and my grandmother swore that she saw you know some shadow type activity in there and So the Warrens came came in Ed and Lorraine Warren came down. They stood in her driveway We didn't hire them to do anything at the time, but they came down and I said yeah, there's definitely something going on here. So
01:20:41
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Um, yeah, you know, just all
The Paranormal and Familial Sensitivity
01:20:45
Speaker
kinds of stuff. And to answer your, your, the question you had from your, uh, you know, listener, um, also when my son was born and you know, we had, uh, my wife and I had the same dream. Um, we, we woke up and we immediately thought Chris because he was only two months old. And so we ran out the door cause he was in the crib, you know, next to the living room and everything. And, um,
01:21:09
Speaker
As we walked through the living room, the rocking chair was moving. All the cabinets in our kitchen were open and my son was faced down in a pool of blood. So he had something going on with his, but he was too weak to roll over. And to this day, he's got a hole in his sinus cavity. And he was a high school quarterback and everything because of the injury, he would bleed sometimes. And, and so it was tough for him to see that through. But so we've had the Kokomo boom connection. We've had, uh,
01:21:39
Speaker
you know, this incident where my son was born, we've had that also that incident around the time my, my brother's son was turning six. And that was witnessed by a friend staying from Florida, you know, and then the sensitivity that we felt when we went into that home and stuff, a lot of other people didn't feel it, but we did. And we felt it strongly enough that it really bothered us. So I don't know if what happened and why we're so sensitive has to do with, you know, the UFO connection or,
01:22:08
Speaker
being in that house, maybe did we bring something back with us, you know? That's the question, doesn't it? So many possibilities, but yeah, but it's all part of us, right? So just to wrap this up, right? So I'll be, you know, someone, I'll be with somebody and be like, Oh yeah, you know, I saw UFO. I saw this or I saw, I'm like, yeah, whatever. Or, you know, uh, I had activity in my house and there were these footsteps and they're like all dramatic about it. I'm like, well, you know, I was all the time. They don't take up much room.
01:22:39
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that's not how nonchalant it gets but the minute I talk about what happened originally you know it affects me so I don't know I mean I literally I appreciate you being able to be so open and honest with me on the show today it really does go a long way and I appreciate it um because I know you know you must have done it so many times but
01:22:59
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Yeah, I can't thank you enough. So thank you. And we'll speak again soon. You know, hope so. Good connection we've made. And so I just want to say thank you to everybody that's been here today. I really do appreciate everybody in the chat, everyone watching it live and everybody that watches or listens after the fact as well. Thank you so much for the continued support. And I'm going to be back next week where I'll be live with John Greenwald Jr. So for now, guys, thank you so much. Take care and I'll see you soon. Goodbye.