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Dr. David Clark - Longdendale Lights & Earth Lights
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IN VARIOUS PLACES around the world, strange and otherworldly light phenomena have been witnessed and reported by many people for hundreds of years. The most well-known and popular of these are the Hessdalen Lights in Norway. But here in the UK, there is a similar and just as bizarre phenomenon which has involved very similar mysterious lights being seen over a long period of time. Located between Sheffield and Manchester in northern England, the Longdendale valley stretches for 15 miles and is nestled between two peaks, Shining Clough and Bleaklow. It is a quiet area alongside reservoirs and moorland. Dating back hundreds of years, the valley has built quite a reputation for strange phenomena, ranging from ghostly apparitions to UFOs and everything in-between.
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Transcript
Decades of Witness Accounts
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One realizes very quickly we've been seeing this technology for decades. I had access to all those programs.
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No windows, no real wings or control surfaces, no obvious signs of repulsion. And yet this object is witnessed now by four separate individuals and two separate aircraft.
Introduction to Earth Lights
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Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome back.
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to the first show post Christmas, I suppose. I hope everyone's well and I hope you had a great holiday period so far. I don't know if some of you are still enjoying your time off or not.
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But yeah, so we're here and we're here. We're going to be talking about Earth Lights tonight. Now, this is something that is quite new to me. I've only been looking at it since my trip to Columbia at the start of 2022. So it's a whole different aspect of the phenomena that has taken up a lot of time for me. And it's been really fascinating. I'm currently reading this book here, Earth Lights Revelation by Paul Devereaux with
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David Clark is part of it as well. So we can discuss parts of that. But we're going to be looking at various cases, but primarily focusing on one case, the Longdon Dale lights, which is an area not too far from where I live here in Sheffield. It's between Sheffield and Manchester. But we'll get into that.
Reading 'Earth Lights Revelation'
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But before that, I'll just say, please, as always, in the chat, keep it polite, calm, cool, collected, all that good stuff. And let's not waste any more time, guys. Thank you all for being here.
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And now I'd like to welcome, again, Dr. David Clark. Dave, how are you? Fine. Yeah. Merry Christmas. Yeah. Merry Christmas. Are we still in Christmas or midwinter solstice, whatever you want to call it? Well, yeah, don't tell anyone, but I actually took my tree down today. It's just hassle. You're supposed to be on 12th night, Vinny. I know, I know. It'd be bad luck if you take it down too early.
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Well, maybe no presents for me next year then. But listen, thank you so much as always for being here. I really do appreciate it. You always give a good insight into the conversations that we have. So I think before I ask my first question, I just, you know, I've been looking into Earth lights and associated phenomena for getting on for a year now and
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There's a lot out there to look at. But Paul Devro, the book that I just showed, he's obviously been at the forefront of this for a long time. And I just want to read a little quote that I found of his that kind of doesn't cover it all, but it resonated a bit with me. So it says, what are Earth lights? Well, they certainly have electrical and magnetic attributes and some form of plasma is assumed.
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modern witnesses who come close to earth lights typically report hallucinatory episodes suggesting magnetic fields that are known to be able to affect parts of the brain. One thing that has struck me in poring over witness reports from different periods of time and parts of the world is the similarity of descriptions stating that earth lights sometimes behave as if they have a rudimentary intelligence like inquisitive animals.
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Intriguingly, it was fairly recently announced that scientists in Romania had created laboratory plasmas that they observed behaving exactly like living cells.
Historical Accounts of Mysterious Lights
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And long before then, the late David Bohm, who was recognized as laying the foundations of plasma physics, observed that once electrons were in a plasma, they stopped behaving like individuals and started behaving as if they were part of a larger and interconnected whole. He remarked that he frequently had the impression that the sea of electrons was in some sense alive.
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And that's Paul Devro. And like I said, he's done so much work on it. And obviously you've been, I mean, met him, worked with him, all these things. So let's take it right back to when this sort of area of the phenomenon first came onto your radar and yeah, go from there.
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thank you yeah i don't know this is really this is like doing an archaeology of how i got interested in the subject because it was from a number of different things i mean i read um charles forts books for star starters and that must have been early 1980s when i started subscribing to 14 times magazine which is as you know still still running today under dave sutton's editorship and um
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Charles Fort in, I think it's Lowe, his second book which was published in 1910 or 1920, that's far back as that, he was someone who spent months and months, years of his time combing through old newspapers and magazines and he'd found a whole collection of stories about mysterious lights
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that haunted certain locations, that appeared over and over again, and in some cases took their names from these mysterious lights, you know, like there's numerous examples we can mention around the world, like the Marfa lights, the Haestarlin lights, and Charles Fort mentioned several of these in Britain, one of which is from Jornik of the Woods, down in Warwickshire, the Burton Dasset ghost,
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If you Google that, someone wrote a small book about it recently, but that was an outbreak of lights in this area in the Cotswolds in the 1920s.
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And it was basically what today we would call UAP, a light that rose out of the ground and sort of traveled around this sort of isolated village. And it was seen sending beams of light to the ground. People went out at night sort of looking for it. And it got into the national newspapers and reporters traveled to this
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A tiny little hamlet in the middle of nowhere. And quite a few of them saw this light and couldn't explain it. I mean, it wasn't a structured craft or anything. It was something that seemed to sort of rise up out of the ground, split into smaller lights that moved around and sent beams to the ground and then vanished in the flash.
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And you can see why people who perhaps saw these things thought they were seeing a ghost or an apparition or something of that kind. And I got interested in the subject. At the time, I was a student at Sheffield University. I was doing archaeology.
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And I was interested in the connection of these lights with ancient landscapes, with stone circles and sacred places. And the more I looked at these stories, the more I looked into the folklore of mysterious lights. And I mean, anyone doing a bit of research can find. There are numerous examples. They were known as Will of the Wisp or Jaco lantern. And virtually every area of the British Isles has got stories about them and often
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these lights are seen around certain places and they are seen year after year after year. And way before all the things that cause UFO sightings nowadays or IFOs, you know, airplanes and meteorological balloons, people were seeing lights well before there were planes, well before there were helicopters. So what was it that they were seeing? And the traditional explanation was in
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when we got to the age of science and the enlightenment was that these weren't spirits. They were natural phenomena, things caused by marsh gas, for instance. That was the classic example that marshy areas, you got sort of methane bubbling up, getting some kind of ignition was going on. And that's what was creating these mysterious lights moving around.
Geological Connections to Earth Lights
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And some really bizarre explanations, including there was one explanation
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That it was barn owls that got infected with like a luminous fungus when they were sort of nesting in trees and People were actually seeing these mysterious moving lights and what they were were these luminous owls. That was the most bizarre But you know the similar to the sort of bizarre explanations that people come up with for you a few AP sightings today. Yeah so that so I just got immersed in all this stuff and I published a little booklet and
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when I was a student in the mid-1980s. And that's how I came to meet Paul Devereux, because I think he came across the research that I'd published. And he, at the time, was involved in this thing called the Dragon Project, which I think is still ongoing, where teams of people were going to ancient stone circles. The roll right stones in Oxfordshire is the one where they were based. And they'd found all these weird, magnetic anomalies.
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So Paul at that time was working on this theory, earth lights. He called them earth lights, but it was it was something that he picked up from reading stories about research that had been done by geologists into what was known as the piezoelectric effect. And this was people may have seen some of the some of the footage where in laboratories where the crushed quartz bearing rock and all these lights are seen zooming around.
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in the laboratory. Now if that is happening in the landscape where you've got massive earth movements, you've got faults in the earth's crust, you've got mini earthquakes going on, so the idea is that this is what is creating some of these mysterious lights.
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Yeah, and Paul, you know, he does present all of these different theories still in his books and his work. And it just does seem to be that across all these more known cases like Hess-Darling and things that they still haven't sort of formed 100% conclusions on what these things are. And I think I find that really fascinating that it's been actually been studied by scientists, but still little is known about it. And you did mention that before we move on. Sorry, I wanted to show this is that
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Paul did write a really good article I came across about strange lights and sacred sites, which if I just share my screen, people can just see the... So if you read through this, it's a really, really detailed article and it goes into a lot of depth. I've linked it in the description of the YouTube video below, but yeah, Paul's work, it's just incredible. And yeah, you helped him out over the years as well. And I think that was more and more local to this area.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And Earth Lights Revelation, which is he did a book called Just Earth Lights. I think that was published early in 19 1980s. And again, I must have read that when it was published, and that would have been about 1982 83. So I could all these different things are coming together in my mind. And then I was involved in this group in West Yorkshire UFO group, but we got more and more interested in collecting these stories about these Earth Lights. And we did a
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what was known as Project Pennine, where we did lots of archive research. We looked in all the sort of local archives for these kinds of stories, collected a lot of stuff together, did lots of interviews with people. This is how I came across the Longdendale Lights. And then Paul used all the material that we gathered. And there's a whole chapter in Earth Lights Revelation on Project Pennine, where we look at all the different areas of the north of England, where there are these long traditions.
Longdendale Lights Case Introduction
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of these mysterious lights that go way back into folklore, so you get stories about witchcraft, you get stories about will of the wisps, you get stories about ghosts and phantoms, but when you actually dig down into how these stories originated, what was it that people were seeing? Usually it's just weird balls of light and mysterious light phenomena that people have seen, and they were describing what they saw in
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the language of the era because this is way before UFOs, flying sources, any of these modern terms. So they used traditional folklore to describe what it was that they'd experienced and some people described what they'd seen as like
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in terms of like fairy beliefs you know fairies rings of dancing fairies that kind of thing other people described it as one of the wisps but ultimately what people were seeing was some kind of luminous phenomena UAP we will call it today yeah that's it it's just a sign of the times and what they label it as I suppose yeah fascinating I've got a great question here from Elena
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Do you have any theories about the varying color shifts and their potential cause or purpose? Yeah, that's because there are so many different colors involved in these reports. I think the theories about them being created by marsh gas, which is
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caused by methane bubbling out of ponds and areas where you've got decaying vegetable and animal matter. I think the colors there are supposed to be green and red that people see, but you also get accounts of white lights, like motorcycle headlights is a very common description of some of these stories. And sometimes, particularly in America, they're described as spooked lights,
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Yeah. So you've got ghost lights, spooked lights, will of the wisp, but every colour in the spectrum has been reported.
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from different parts of the world. And this came into the business with the Longbondale lights because of that being like a mountainous area where you've got different mountain rescue teams who are responsible for responding to calls, people in distress. And I remember interviewing the rescue team leader Phil Shaw back in the 1990s and he was saying that
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If you're out on the moors and you're part of a hiking party or somebody who's bivvying out there, if you were in distress and you needed rescuing, people would normally
Geographical Features of Longdendale
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light off a flare and it would be a red flare. That's what they would be expecting.
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to receive a report about. He said the reports of these londondale lights, they were never red. They were always sort of green or blue or something like that, which is something people lost on the mowers who had flares would not be firing off. So the color thing is a real puzzle.
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It is because you mentioned like the marshes and things, and then you went onto the mountainous and, you know, Hestar and for example, no, not really any marshes. It's cold, desolate and probably, you know, high. And same in Columbia where we were and the lights there, we saw predominantly white lights, like you said, the motorcycle headlights, but with a bit of red and blue, which, you know, some people will see that as like red shift and blue shift, which is
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getting into a whole different realm of physics and stuff, maybe. But let's, you know, you mentioned Longdale, let's jump into Longdale because this is kind of the really interesting case we were going to talk about. So where do we start with that? And please tell me to bring up any of the images and stuff as well. Well, the Longdale thing came to my attention as a result of doing the work on Project Pennine, because I think what happened was there's a group team of about three of us again.
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I've said this before, I've always been involved in my little teams of people who've sort of done this kind of research and I think it was Andy Roberts and Martin Dagless, we worked on this project, Pennine thing, we wrote off to all the mountain rescue teams in the north of England saying, have you ever been called out to report some mysterious lies, you know, that
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you were reported to you via the police as people in distress turned out to be not rescue incidents or accidents or things like that. And the team that came back straight away was the gloss of one saying, yes, we've got a whole log of incidents going back to the 1960s or 70s of these things that are called the Long and Dale Lights. And like you, Vinny, I mean, at the time,
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I mean, I was pretty well versed in all the sort of UFO sightings and ghost stuff from this area, between Sheffield and Manchester. But I'd never heard of this. So I then sort of spent a lot of time doing fieldwork in that area. And it's not, I've described it as remote, but it's not really remote in sort of North American standards. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, anyone who knows the North of England,
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the two big cities as Sheffield and Manchester, literally like 30 miles apart, but you've got the Peak District National Park, which was the very first national park to be declared a national park in England. And I think that was in the 1950s. So even though you've got these two massive cities with millions of people on either side, the bit in between, particularly that zone up on the Snake Pass, as it's called, where you've got Kinderskau
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um Bleecloe and Blackhill which are also like big sort of peak covered mountains and they've just got tiny little roads that sort of link Sheffield and Manchester one of which is known as the Snake Pass which goes right over the top of the moors and then there's another one called Wooded which is sort of not really a motorway but it's the nearest we've got to a proper dual carriageway linking the two cities and as it drops into Manchester you go into the Londondale Valley and there's like all these
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reservoirs in the bottom, electricity pylons. And although you're driving into a really populous area, there's very, very few people who actually live in Longendale. I think there's no more than a couple of hundred people and they're mainly sort of farmers.
Local Reports and Interviews
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These are sort of really upland, maul and farms where you've got very few people.
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Apart from the traffic that's going backwards and forwards, there's not all that many people around at night, and there's certainly no one up on the top of the moors. And if you do go hiking, as I've done many, many times during the course of the year, when you get up onto the top of Kinder Scout and Bleeplow, you would not think you were 30 miles from Sheffield or from the centre of Manchester. You could be in the middle of nowhere.
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You know, you'll see hikers and climbers, but very, very few people. You could be in the middle of Scotland or anywhere. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just going to bring up this image, which is the long wooden trail is kind of where you can hike. But this image is a sign showing the path and it kind of gives an idea of what you're talking about. So you've kind of got this long, thin reservoir with the kind of the two peaks coming up either side here.
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So, you know, that's where the lights have been seen. Is that right? Yeah, the lights are mainly seen on the south side of Londondale. So you've got the what's known as the Bleeclo Massif, which is a this huge area down at the bottom right hand corner of this map you show in there. The it's
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It's like walking in chocolate cake when you're on the top. There's nothing there. But there is a large mound known as Torside Castle, which is thought to be some kind of burial mound or barrow. And it's quite interesting that when these sightings have been sort of plotted on a map, they all seem to congregate in this area around Torside Castle. And there's like a big rocky edge
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that you can see from the bottom of the valley called Brahma Edge. And interestingly, because you find a lot of these stories turning up in local place names, there's actually an area called Shining Clough, which is really interesting because this is where some of these lights have been seen. And I interviewed a guy called Sean Wood, who is a teacher and a musician.
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And he lives in a big gothic house called Bleak House, which is very, very bleak. And it's as you're dropping into the main part of the valley near where the tour side reservoir is. And he's lived there in this quite isolated building for something like 15 or 20 years. And I remember him saying that he didn't know anything about the Longendale lights. And one night,
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winter night he was he was sat in the back room and the main windows face shining Clough and Brahma Edge and he kept seeing this light shining through the window and he thought it was someone playing a prank in that it was someone who stopped by the side of this really busy road and somehow managed to get to the front of his house and was shining a torch
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you know, some kind of prank and he went out and looked through the window and there's this massive ball of light hovering over the hillside opposite and he went outside, looked at it, couldn't believe his eyes and his next door neighbours, this is how isolated he was, was the youth hostel at Croden which is about
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three or four miles down the valley. So they were his near neighbors. There was no one else other than farmers living anywhere near. So he phoned up the Crowden youth hostel and spoke to the manager there. And this person said, yeah, we're all outside watching it as well. What is it? So that was the first time he'd seen the London Dale lives. And since then, I think over a 20 year period, he's seen them, I don't know, 30 or 40 times.
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But every time they're different, because sometimes it's like a searchlight coming out of the hillside.
Historical Reports and Theories
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Other times it's like a string of moving lights. Sometimes it's just like one light that rises from the ground. And this is why the Mountain Rescue team have been involved, because people who are unfamiliar with the area and don't know the legend of the longer they'll light.
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They see a light on the hillside, which they think is that someone in distress? Is it an aircraft that's crashed? Is it someone that's lost that's sending up distress flares so they've phoned the police? And of course the police then call Mountain Rescue. Mountain Rescue teams have been up there dozens of times looking for any trace of people in distress and they've never found anyone.
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So it's a continuing mystery and this has been going on since at least the 1950s. Yeah and we've got some old newspaper clippings here. Oh I've noticed one here which didn't have a year. There's one there that's actually got a picture of Shining Clough but shall I bring up the 1972 one first? Yeah now this is the one that really fascinated me and I think I came across this while we were doing the archive research and yeah this was an account that was published in the newsletter of
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Peak National Park and Peak National Park was only created in the 1950s and the youth hostel that I mentioned at Crodon that was only built in I think 1968 and one of the first Peak Park wardens who covered this area was a guy called Ken Drabble and his wife at the time Margaret Drabble
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They were living at Croden Youth Hostel and she was a teacher and she used to drive back from West Yorkshire right over the top of the moors. There's a big repeater television aerial called Home Moss. So she'd drive over this lonely Home Moss Road and drop down into Londondale on one night and this was in the summer of 1970.
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She was driving, I'm just reading her account from this story now, she was driving alongside the reservoirs of the Tin Twistle to Wooded Road late on this July night and it was a really warm summer night
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dark and she was driving with the windows of a car wound down and she says there was a really good mood, it was very warm, I had the car windows open and suddenly she saw this light come from the top of Bleecloe and she said it lit the whole valley for a couple of miles and it was so bright she was able to turn the headlights of a car off and drive as if it was in daylight and this was sort of like 11, 12 at midnight after midnight
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But then as she drove into it, it was almost like driving into a white beam of light and she says that the air turned cold and she had to wind the windows up, even though it was July. She was absolutely terrified and she said she could see every sort of
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every sort of detail of the mountains in the distance pinpointed. She could sort of see it really, really clearly. And she drove down to the youth hostel, told the people there about her and her husband. And she said afterwards, she asked some of the local farmers if they'd seen anything. And she said they were really reluctant to talk about it. But she got the impression that they did know something. So about a year later,
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all the people at the Crowden youth hostel saw a very similar light from streaming across the valley and they all went out and they thought it again they thought it might have been an aircraft that had crashed on the top of the mountain. So Barbara Drabble's husband Ken who was the chief peak part warden was actually there and he saw the light and he thought
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Well, we'll go up and he got in a Land Rover and he got these massive gas powered search lights, went up there on the moor, took a team with him. When they got onto the moor, they had these search lights on, searching around to see if they could find something. And he was in radio contact with the people down in the valley. And they said that the search lights that he was using were just like a little pinpoint of light.
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seen from the valley and yet this mysterious lie had absolutely filled the entire valley so it's like completely inexplicable and after that Barbara then went and spoke to some of the people in the valley again some of the farmers and they did actually admit that yes they had seen it that it came regular they didn't know what it was something supernatural and that it caused
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ice to form when it came in the summer and that they'd lost some of these farmers had actually lost livestock that sheep had been frozen by this mysterious light when it came and but they were really reluctant to talk about it. So I remember interviewing Barbara and Sean Wood and Michael Asple did a program on this in which I was interviewed and they interviewed Ken Drabble, they interviewed Barbara Drabble and it was part of a series that was shown
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strange but true i think it was called in the 1990s um yeah but maybe findable somewhere online but it was one of the most mysterious things that i've ever um investigated and i've investigated as you know some very mysterious things yeah absolutely but to me um it's classic earth lights and that whole valley is heavily faulted and you've got all the sorts of quartz rock and the the sort of conditions
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described in the research as being the perfect conditions where you would expect these kinds of lights to occur and the very fact that it only happens occasionally. You'll get like an outbreak where people will see things relatively regularly, maybe just once or twice a year, but they'll see it regularly for a period of time and then there'll be nothing for 20 or 30 years and then maybe there'll be a few sightings again and
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And Paul Devereaux's theory is that that's because what you've got is like a build-up of sort of tension in the geology. And rather than having a full-scale earthquake where all this energy is dissipated really quickly, what you're getting is a slow release of energy.
Comparison with Global Phenomena
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Maybe electrons are sort of, I don't know, interacting with the landscape, with water, with the reservoirs, because obviously if the reservoirs are full, you've got more tension on the geology. Who knows?
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But it's an intriguing story. Definitely. I'm just going to highlight a couple of comments here. Andrew Clark just said, strange but true is on YouTube. I was watching the Long Nandell Lights episode earlier today. Well, I'm going to send a link to that. Yeah. I'd love to see it again. Please DM me on Instagram or Twitter. All the links are in the description. I'd love to find that.
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I'd really appreciate that. I've got a couple of questions here. Karen Alexander says, have there been any reports of this classification of lights affecting machinery such as cars or tractors? Yeah, I think there are. I think if you read Earth lights, there are some examples of people saying that engines have cut out, that kind of thing. The sort of thing that are known as car stops in ufology. Yeah. But again, the thing about that is
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There is a possibility that in some of these cases, if you were confronted by something like one of these bizarre light phenomena, you would be so shocked and so taken aback that maybe, you know, you'd stall the car. So the ignition had, you know, quite naturally, I've done this myself and I've seen something unfamiliar and oh my God, you know, the car stopped. How would you know whether that was something that had been caused
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externally or as a result of your own actions because you're in this unfamiliar situation yeah i don't i don't think barbara drabble was suggesting that her car lost energy or anything like that or the engine cut out when she saw this thing i think what really stands out in that story i mean there's many things but the the fact that the lights were cold and formed ice whereas if you think of plasma i mean i mean i'm
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I'm not a scientist, I hate to tell everyone, but I'd associate heat with plasma. So that's really bizarre. But there is a thing called cold plasma, apparently. One of the theories that I read recently, and I think I put it in the Fourteen Times article that I wrote on the Delights in Columbia, there was I think it's a scientist from Italy who's come up with this really elaborate theory about Hestal
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all linking the geology of the valley and he's convinced that the Hestalen valley forms like a natural battery. I'm not a physicist, I don't understand this but there's certain kinds of rocks in one side of the valley that interact with rocks on the other side of the valley and you've got like a river with copper deposits in it and it effectively creates a battery which creates light and he's actually
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experimented and being able to light a small electricity bulb using this sort of battery effect in Hestalen. So who knows? That's interesting because that resonates with what we looked at in Colombia. One of the mountain peaks sits in a negative charge, the other in a positive. And I think the river between them is sulfur based. That's right. Yeah, I'm just looking at it here. It's a guy called Jada Manarev and he works in Italy.
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a radio astronomy scientist and he said he believes, this is Hestarlem, that the valley's unusual geology functions as a natural battery with two distinctly different types of rocks acting as the anode and the cathode. The valley has rocks rich in iron and zinc on one side and on the other side of the river are rich in copper. So you've got the river Hestia between them and the electrolyte that activates the circuit
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is provided by sulfur that leeches into the river. Now, he and a colleague have actually tested the theory in the valley, and they were able to produce sufficient current to light a lamp. And they believe the battery produces iron bubbles that can rise from the valley and move along the electrical field generated in the humid atmosphere above it. So maybe there's something similar going on in Longendale. Quite possibly, yeah.
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The Barbara Drabble isn't the only person who's had a weird experience involving a car because I don't think you can find this story from 1995 that was reported. I think I sent you a scan of this, Vinny, which was the young woman called Laverne Marshall. This is a story that was in the local
00:34:17
Speaker
newspaper Glossop advertiser and this is a very bizarre story and this is at night in February 1995 and this lady from Glossop called Laverne Marshall she had dropped her son off at Heathrow, no she'd taken her son to Heathrow Airport and she'd driven all the way back after he got his flight with her daughter Stacey and Stacey's baby
00:34:47
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and they were in the back of the car, and they lived in Glossop, so they went up the M1, they took the M62 across the Pennines and then dropped into Longendale Valley, and this was really late at night, and they just dropped into the valley to a place called, near a place called the Devil's Elbow, again, these weird place names that seem to reflect the fact that odd things have happened there before, and the bizarre thing about this was they saw lights, but they were inside the car,
00:35:16
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So just suddenly in the middle of nowhere, this bunch of lights appeared in the side of the car, like four or five lights, also moving around the dashboard, almost like soldiers drilling. And they were sort of moving around in the car as they were driving. And as you can imagine, they were absolutely terrified. Stopped and started the car at different points. And when they got to the outskirts of blossom, these lights just vanished.
00:35:43
Speaker
And because there'd been stories in the local press about it, they'd said nothing because they thought nobody would believe them. And it was only when stories about the London Dale lights started to be published. You can see there's a little ragout in the corner. Tony Dodd, who was very active with the Yorkshire UFO Society at the time, he was investigating something mysterious in one of the local reservoirs and this prompted
00:36:09
Speaker
Laverne Marshall to come forward and again I went and interviewed her I've got her on tape talking about this and she was genuinely terrified and I've never heard a story like that I mean I know there are stories about UFO abductions where people see a light outside the car and then they have a period of missing time but these were lights they didn't see anything outside the car these were strange sort of
00:36:33
Speaker
luminous um balls of light that appeared inside the car and they were like whizzing around and moving around inside the car so that's strange that he was in wanderdale that's strange and that case does you know uh let me start again back in earlier this year when george nap and column keller her released their book um talking about all sap these skin walkers at the pentagon they did talk about a case where these strange orbs entered a car
00:37:03
Speaker
Very, very similar to that. Yeah, very similar. But they did see they did see them in a field and they came towards the car, entered the car and caused health effects to the driver and stuff. So that's really fascinating. But I think one thing also is that the long and the lights, the first case was this huge light that lit up a couple of miles of the valley. And now we're almost talking about small orb size objects. It's just so strange how the differences that are there. It just runs the whole gamut.
00:37:32
Speaker
You know, there's everything that you've got, like people who seem like searchlight beams that seem to sort of come out of the ground. You've got like a string of lights, sort of purple lights. You've got, again, back to the colors. What you don't get are the red lights, which are what the mountain rescue teams are expecting if people are firing distress flares. So if someone was out, you know, pranking and hoaxing,
00:37:59
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you know, you'd expect the lights to be red, but they never are.
Attempts to Capture the Lights
00:38:03
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They're always sort of purple or blue, which is a very odd color for the light. And there are, I mean, there are some conventional explanations for this. I mean, one that we haven't mentioned, which has got to be a factor is the fact that with the Longdendail valleys on one of the
00:38:22
Speaker
the approaches for aircraft going into Manchester Airport. Now Manchester Airport is one of the biggest international airports in England and if you're up there at nine, I've been up there numerous times, they're constantly coming in, they're on the flight path and you can see them stacking up. So it's quite possible that some of these sightings have been caused by people who perhaps are unfamiliar
00:38:48
Speaker
with the terrain, maybe visitors from outside the area who aren't familiar with the fact that they're on this flight path into Manchester and maybe, you know, unusual conditions where you've got mist or temperature inversions and they've seen something that looks as if it's very, very close when it's actually quite far away or a higher altitude. But again, that doesn't explain the folklore, the stories that date back before there was an airport in Manchester
00:39:18
Speaker
and it doesn't explain the account that we've been talking about, you know, the one with the valley filled with an entire bluish white light, that wouldn't be an aircraft that caused that. There are electricity pylons running through the valley and it's possible that some of the reports are caused by, you know, electricity sparking, it's an Elmos fire, I think it's called, that kind of thing, is a possibility.
00:39:45
Speaker
There's been, there was a physicist at Manchester University who got interested in this, but he was, he was interested in ball lightning and he thought some of the, some of the sightings could be explained as ball lightning. But again, ball lightning is very specific, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a
00:40:05
Speaker
It's been seen in many, many different forms and ball lightning does appear inside moving objects. I mean, it's been seen inside aircraft. There's a plastic example, several examples where people have actually seen lightning balls moving down the interior of an aircraft. You can imagine how terrifying that is.
00:40:25
Speaker
Um, so maybe it's possible that, um, something like that could appear inside a car. Uh, and then you've got all the sort of, um, the plasma, the cold plasma and all this is where we start, um, shading into the UAP, um, theories and Ron Haddow in the Condign report, he talks about earth lights and T and plasmas as, um, as, as being the source of some of the UAP reports. I think why this particular area?
00:40:54
Speaker
Yeah, well, all of these different areas, Hestal and Longendale, Columbia. And the one thing that they all have in common is that they all have these variations that there's not just one light phenomena. Like you said, there's strings of lights. There's lights in the air a lot of the time. There's lights on the ground. And that's what makes it even more mysterious, that it's not consistent with one type of light. And I think that's what's so fascinating.
00:41:23
Speaker
Columbia, Hestal and there are stories of people seeing UFOs and a lot of these anecdotal and but they're saying that you know they're seeing physical craft so that adds to the
00:41:36
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allure, let's say, of it being something generally not of this earth. But yeah, yeah, it's the line. The line she saw on the mountain in Columbia, is it the La Pena Joica? Is that how you pronounce it? La Pena Joica. Yeah, yeah. And that there was I mean, like you explained to me really well, when we talked about this, there was no other source for that because you were you were literally seeing it against the face of the mountain. And that's not something that
00:42:03
Speaker
would get an aircraft there would be no no one up there with torches you know in the middle of nowhere no i mean and we are going back we are going back to kind of just try and recreate it by getting as close as we can to those different areas on the face of the mountain at night time
00:42:22
Speaker
And we're going to take torches up there, but it's only just to fully rule it out 100%. We're 99% sure, of course, but without actually physically doing that experiment, we wouldn't say 100% because we like to do it properly. But yeah, I mean, it was...
00:42:38
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crazy and that's the thing some of the photographs that Ashley Cowie had taken in the year or two prior to our investigation were strange red lights in the sky or blue plasma streaks in different areas on the mountain it wasn't just this one white
00:42:53
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headlight type ball of light. So yeah, it's fascinating. But jumping back to Longendale, I'm going to bring up this image of the devil's elbow just to give an idea of the roads and stuff, because I drove down this road. So you can see it's a single, you know, lane
00:43:15
Speaker
road twisting through the valley. And I drove down this twice in October, once in the daytime and then again in the evening coming
Driving Through Longdendale
00:43:24
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back. And once you've passed a few lights of the kind of village and you're driving along the side of one of the valleys, it's so dark and bleak. And I was aware, obviously, of the Longland Dale light. So I was looking out everywhere, but you had this sense of, oh, you wouldn't want to be out here at night, really. And
00:43:43
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So, yeah, it's a strange old place, that's for sure. And the naming of it, the Devil's Elbow, because the traditional, one of the traditional names for the lights in Longdale are Devil's Bonfires. Right. And I heard various people describing them as that. So there's obviously a link with, you know, the evil, you know, the traditional sorts of idea that
00:44:05
Speaker
If you saw these lights, it was the devil or demons who were dancing in the night or trying to lure you into the darkness.
00:44:14
Speaker
and this is where you get the will of the wisp stories from because the will of the wisp was supposed to be a some kind of imp or fairy that people saw when they were out on their own in darkness and you'd think it was a lantern carried by someone and people would follow it and the more you followed it the more it would move away and then you'd end up trapped in a bog or quicksand or something like that so you can see how these stories began to link
00:44:41
Speaker
these mysterious lies with evil and with you know evil spirits, hence the naming of the devil's elbow. And again with the devil's elbow there was a chap I interviewed who must now be dead because he was in his late 80s early 90s when I visited him and that would be 1992 and he was the last railway worker who was used to work in the signal box in the valley because there's a massive tunnel that was
00:45:09
Speaker
that was that was made under Longendale Valley linking Manchester with Sheffield in the 19th century and there were hundreds of people worked on this many of them Irish laborers who'd come across just to work on the project a lot of them are buried in the little chapel at Wooded
00:45:27
Speaker
and for some reason they pulled the trains and it's now got an electricity pile on running through it but he was the last of the railway men who worked on there and he lived in a group of cottages in the middle of nowhere and loads of people said oh you need to go see John Davis and he was about 88 when I saw him and he'd actually had a most bizarre encounter at the Devil's Elbow one night and he was coming back on an old 1950s motorbike
00:45:57
Speaker
it must have been late 1950s or 60s and he came around that bend as you were seeing there and there was a big full moon and he said he felt all the hair at the back of his head rising up before he actually saw anything and he stopped his motorbike he said just before he got to the bend and he could hear something coming across the road and he said it was this huge intensely black object that seemed to sort of come out of the moor and like almost like
00:46:26
Speaker
moved over the road and dropped into the valley below and it was just so dark and black it couldn't see anything you couldn't see over it or beyond it almost and he described it as like a huge black slug and it almost as if it was coming out of the mountain and dropping into the valley and he sort of let this thing sort of descend
00:46:43
Speaker
and then carried on on his way back to his railway cottages. So you've got almost the opposite of the light there, you've got something that's got no light at all as if it's sucked all the light into it like a mini black hole. So there's obviously something really bizarre going on there and that's why that particular bend in the road has become known as the devil's elbow because if people have had those kinds of weird experiences year after year after year,
00:47:10
Speaker
the places become associated with the supernatural. Yeah.
00:47:15
Speaker
Fascinating and let's let's go back because you mentioned the rescue teams in there and there's a document that you sent me Which I think is really worth showing as well. So I'll bring that. Oh, is this the mountain rescue team log? It is. Yeah, this gives like an idea of various sightings, let's say so If I yeah, this is excellent. Yeah, so this is when we were doing project Pennine this is what we got back from loss of mountain rescue team and they'd gone through their records and
00:47:44
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right back to the early 1970s. And as you can see here, they've logged all these sightings. So September 1973, sighting of a red flare. This was a red flare, sorry, as that corrected.
00:47:58
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This is reported by a motorist as he drove towards Blossop. The B6-105 is where the devil's elbow is. And that appeared to be above Cluff Edge. Rescue team search peak nays and Blossop. Low negative result.
00:48:15
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second one 1977 this was a police sergeant that was coming over the Snake Pass and he saw a flare rising directly behind Shire Hill so the same direction as the first sighting but from a different um he was looking from a different direction so when all these are triangulated they're all in a similar area
00:48:36
Speaker
The one in February-March 1980 was the actual team leader of Blossom Mountain Rescue Team who actually provided this info. That was his own personal sighting of a large searchlight. This is on the top of the moor. And like he says there, vehicle access to where he saw this light was impossible. It's just in the middle of nowhere. You couldn't take a car up there.
00:48:58
Speaker
So what was it? Then there was another sighting in 1982, a green flare, not the sort of normal colour you would let off if you were in trouble. Again, bearing taken from the location, several small parties from the rescue team went up there, found nothing.
00:49:21
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Same year, later in the same year, October, sighting of a flare rising between James Thorne, lower shelf stones, again by a police officer. Again, search team went out, didn't find anything. And then there's some additional info, which is really interesting. The last sighting raised interest in the phenomenon of the lights in Londondale. Lots of people then came forward with sightings, recall from previous years, Barbara Drabble being one of them.
00:49:48
Speaker
And he then says these have taken the form of searchlights, flares, strings of lights crossing the hillside, ghostly Roman legions have been reported in the vicinity of Torcide Castle, and quite intriguing
00:50:04
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mentioned then, he says that there have been other sightings of mysterious lights in the same area from one or two people who refuse to discuss the matter any further. Very odd. Why? Why would they refuse to discuss it? There's been so many sightings at that point, this was in the late 90s, that the police stopped, didn't bother ringing the rescue team anymore.
00:50:27
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Because it obviously costs a lot of money to get the mountain rescue team up there with Land Rovers, helicopters, searchlights, all this kind of thing. And he says we would expect a red flare
Scientific Theories and Experiments
00:50:39
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to be fired by someone in distress. And in all the cases, with the exception of that first one in 1973, the lights or flares have been white or green. Fascinating.
00:50:53
Speaker
Hmm. Am I right in saying that for a while there was a webcam upon? There was yeah, so this is late 1990s when I was sort of actively investigating this and various other people were interested in my classical Did his program there was it got a lot of attention. In fact, I think there was even a double page spread in the Daily Mail about it and this
00:51:18
Speaker
a lady called Debbie Fair, who was, I think she worked on the radio station in Blossop. This was when people was getting online for the first time and people had webcams. This was a completely new phenomenon. And she thought, well, why don't I stick one of these in my bedroom window? Because she lived in Blossop overlooking the area where the lights were seen. And I think she might have been one of the first people to do this. And she had a live webcam looking out over Longendale Valley, which was
00:51:49
Speaker
I think it was in existence for two or three years. Nothing was ever odd was ever seen on this webcam, but it was just an interesting little experiment she did. And I know there's been various other people in other parts of the world that have done similar things. There's a team, isn't there, in North Carolina where you've got the brown mountain lights and they've set up some kind of live webcam. Again, I don't know whether this is still live, but they had three different cameras.
00:52:16
Speaker
in different parts of Brown Mountain where very similar lights to Longendale lights have been seen. And I think they did actually succeed in capturing something that was genuinely anomalous. Yeah, the image that I used for the thumbnail, I think, was a Brown Mountain light. I'm just going to bring up my screen. I've got a couple of other. So I think this is the one I used. Yeah, that looks like it. Yeah, there's these kind of streaks with, you know, purpley, bluey kind of
00:52:46
Speaker
You know, these are very similar to what's been captured in Colombia, especially and her style and as well. Yeah. So I just think they're absolutely fascinating. And the scene in every part of the world in Australia, there is this thing called the Min Min lights in Queensland, an area in Queensland, Queensland. And I mean, I've only just sort of skim the surface with that, but there's mountains of literature and accounts of people who've seen these things. And I think
00:53:14
Speaker
the Aboriginal peoples of Australia, they've got traditions about them. Again, this is an example of the Min Min lights. I think Paul Devereux has actually written about these as well in his Earth Lights book. I tried to reach out to Paul, no response, and then I found out that he doesn't really give interviews because he's worried about what may be construed by the media and they may
00:53:42
Speaker
you know, sort of pick apart his interviews to fit a certain narrative. So, you know, it is what it is. But you know, and maybe you can have a word with him. Yeah. Well, I'm saying it in the new year, so I'll see if I can persuade him to come on your show. That'd be great. We'll do this all over again and he could take us through some more sort of aspects of it. I'm sure he'd be able to add a lot more to what I've been able to summarize today. I mean, I think one thing we can say for sure
00:54:11
Speaker
about these things is that they are some kind of natural phenomenon. I mean, I don't know what I mean by natural. What I mean is it's something connected to the earth. It's not something that's coming here from outer space or other dimensions. It's something that's always been here, probably been here long before humans were around. And one of the interesting theories
00:54:33
Speaker
I think I came across this again in a scientific article. There was some guy that was writing in New Scientist and he was talking about will of the wisp and spook lights and he was saying he was linking them to something he's called extremophiles. You know that they found phosphine or evidence of phosphine on Venus and his theory is that some of these mysterious lights might be examples of some kind of sort of very sort of basic life forms that exist in the atmosphere
00:55:03
Speaker
Because there are all these stories that people used to have about UFOs being some kind of living organism rather than a machine. And for anyone, any of those people who are watching who've seen the film NOPE that was in the cinemas, I've forgotten the name of the director now, a very famous director from America. The whole premise of it, I don't want to give you any spoilers, it's basically a farmer.
00:55:32
Speaker
in California who is being plagued by UFO sightings and the UFO turns out to be like a living organism that's up to no good. I'm not going to say anymore because I don't want to put any spoilers for those who haven't seen the film but it was obviously drawing upon these ideas and beliefs and this is something that Charles Fort actually wrote about. He said maybe some of these lights that people have seen are living creatures who inhabit parts of the atmosphere and occasionally they will descend
00:56:02
Speaker
to the ground. And that's what people describe as these mysterious lights. Who knows? Yeah, and one thing that really pulled ever rotate to even further where he says, yes, they could be natural phenomena, but he then adds consciousness into that to the equation. So they could, yes, they could be natural earth lights.
Bridging Science and Folklore
00:56:20
Speaker
but there may be a consciousness aspect to it, which that, again, is a whole new ballgame of, is it some other non-human entity that's aware of, you know, and that's just fascinating. I think that's why I like talking about it and looking into it as it relates to the UFO subject. But I mean, people think that when they see these lights, and this is the will of the wist thing again, that as they move towards them, the light moves away, or that there's people who've sort of had
00:56:49
Speaker
torches or flashlights and they've directed the light at what they're seeing and these things seem to react. But bear in mind that human beings are electromagnetic creatures. We've got electrical fields around us, so if you're in the vicinity of say, I don't know, something like a plasma, it's going to react to you because you've got an electrical field.
00:57:14
Speaker
you know, maybe that explains how people sort of interpret what they're seeing as if it's something alive, as if it's intelligent, as if it's moving in an intelligent way, when maybe it's moving in connection with your movements. Who knows? So many theories. Yeah, I think that's something that Paul Devereux expands upon in his book.
00:57:37
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And again, everyone should check out Earth Lights. But like I said, this is the second one, Earth Lights revelation. It's fascinating, goes into cases from all around the world, from all different time periods, so many theories and things like that. Before we finish off, I've got a couple of questions from people just I'd like to to acknowledge. So Tino says, Hello, Vinnie and Dave, is there any activity of a saddle with more area?
00:58:05
Speaker
Yes, is the answer to that. I do remember when I was doing the Project Pennine research that there were several cases. We didn't look into this because we got so distracted by the stuff that we got from Glossop Mountain Rescue Team. But there was another Mountain Rescue Team a bit further north who covered Sableworth and we did get some accounts from them of very similar lives that had been seen over Sableworth more. There's a very famous sighting. I think it's in one of Jenny Randall's books.
00:58:33
Speaker
The road that goes over Saddleworth Moor, I think it comes out of Oldham and goes up onto the moors towards the M62. There was a case there in the 1970s where a guy, I think the guy's name was Alan Fallows, for some reason that comes to me, and he was driving over there late one night and he saw this like a ball of light, white light that sort of came down, crossed over the road in front of him.
00:59:01
Speaker
like a huge meteorological balloon, but it wasn't a meteorological balloon. It was like internally luminous that moved across the road and vanished off in the direction of Londondale. And I think the mountain rescue team involved had been called out some very similar sightings. And he was absolutely petrified. This guy again reported it to the police. So that whole area north from Londondale up into West Yorkshire
00:59:29
Speaker
There are similar stories and you tend to get sort of outbreaks where things will be seen regularly for a few years and then nothing will be seen for decades and then things will be seen again, which again does suggest it's something natural that's causing this. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:59:46
Speaker
A couple more. Elena, this is a big question. Is there any way a technologically advanced civilization could have used the natural battery to power multidimensional technologies, potentially through interaction with consciousness? I guess it's a... I've no idea. I can't answer that one, I'm afraid. When I was talking earlier on, sorry to interrupt, about the red light and the blue shift light that we saw in Colombia,
01:00:16
Speaker
that has been associated with dimensional shift. And so I guess that could, you know, can we say it for sure? No. Can we say it's not? No. So, well, I can only, I can only talk, I mean, that question is phrased in a very sort of modern technological sort of way, but as a folklorist, I can only sort of answer it in a sort of folkloric way in the people in the past who saw these things, thought they were seeing the things from other dimensions. I,
01:00:45
Speaker
you know, people in the past who believed in the being another world, like fairy land, across these lights, revolving lights and things. And there are the stories about people being dragged into fairy rings and finding themselves in like fairy land. Again, in their own way, they were talking about going almost down a portal into another world. So we talk about this now in a scientific and technological way. Yeah, absolutely.
01:01:15
Speaker
And then finally, Yoni says, probably an absolute ridiculous question, but has there been research with these lights looking at bacteria or single cell like creatures? There you go. Yes, I mean, that's the theory that I mentioned, the extremophiles thing. I'm trying to find the reference. It was published in a scientific journal, something like Nature or New Scientist.
01:01:42
Speaker
Oh, here we go. Yeah, 2014 paper in the philosophical transactions of the Royal Society by a guy called Howell Edwards. And I think you can download this if you Google for it. And he's talking about the will of the wisp. And
01:01:59
Speaker
Edwards, he compares the elusive nature of these lives with recent discoveries of organisms called extremophiles that exist deep in the ocean and in parts of Antarctica. And he speculates that similar organisms might be found on Mars and Europa, which is obviously the two of the places where NASA and some are looking for evidence of life outside the Earth.
01:02:29
Speaker
They've actually found traces of phosphine and methane, which, again, would suggest very basic life forms. So maybe there is a connection there. I don't know. It's intriguing, too. This is what keeps me involved in this subject, because it just opens your mind up to all these amazing possibilities. Yeah, absolutely.
Conclusion and Future Investigations
01:02:50
Speaker
I mean, the more I research and the more you come across these different aspects of the phenomena, more questions are raised, which makes
01:02:58
Speaker
more research more work and and just it just sucks you in even further but that i mean that was a great conversation and and and yeah i mean we could probably talk about all the different cases throughout the world but i think you know it was good to pick on something local to us as well i mean it's making me consider maybe next year going out to spend a few days in longland l wild camping or something and it would be worth it wouldn't it if it were possible to install a um you know like a webcam somewhere in
01:03:28
Speaker
in the right zone you know like you see on spring watch where they have these little cameras and they detect movement and you get all these like foxes and things that are picked up why couldn't we do that in longendale and have something that's looking for these these lights
01:03:44
Speaker
No, absolutely. That's what we plan on doing in Columbia next year. We're getting some trail cams, some motion sensor trail cams set up on top of the mountain, just in case there are humans up there at night trying to, you know, con us and that. So yeah, because that will at least eliminate some of the possible explanations.
01:04:01
Speaker
Well I'll tell you what we could do Dave, we could go there, we could go up there next year and I could do one of these but like a 12 hour live stream. Yeah well we'd have to wrap up warm. Yeah nah I don't think we get that many viewers after a few hours that's for sure but anyway.
01:04:19
Speaker
Well, listen, thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on as always. Before we go, I just want to say to everybody, if you wanted to read David's article on the light phenomena in 14 times, it's only available in physical form. It's not available online. It's in the September 2022 issue, which can be ordered online, you know, back issues for anybody that wants to watch our
01:04:44
Speaker
documentary series from Columbia Phenomenology. The link is in the description now. And also there is a 25% off discount code, which is only available for a limited time, I think till the end of the year. So only a few more days. And we are going back out in April next year to continue that. So I hope you guys enjoyed this show on Earth Lights. Like I said, it's certainly a really interesting aspect of the phenomenon that's really captured me. And yeah, it's about it, I think.
01:05:15
Speaker
Thank you and happy new year. Yeah. Happy new year, everyone. When it gets there. Yeah. Thank you to everybody in the live chat as always for being here. Everyone that listens or watches after the fact. Thank you also. And I'll see you now. Yeah. I think this was the last show of 2022. I'll be back in the new year. I've got all sorts coming up. So go and check it out. Go and follow me on all my socials. Links to follow David as well on his blog, his Twitter are in the description as well.
01:05:43
Speaker
I think that covers it guys. So for now take care and we'll see you soon. Goodbye.