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203- What is the most effective form of activism?
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A topic that is almost impossible to decide in any quantifiable way...but that's not stopped Andrea Polanco having a go. In an article published three years ago with Faunalytics (https://faunalytics.org/relative-effectiveness/) two studies are combined to examine what may be helping...and hindering our activism. Responding to the studies in this episode are Mark, Kate & Ant.
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Transcript
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody.
Introduction to Animal Advocacy
00:00:01
Speaker
Now, if you listening to this now are an animal advocate, somebody who wants to improve the outcomes for animals and wants to tell lots of people that you think that's a good idea for them too, this episode is really going to feature the key question for you.
00:00:17
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How does our advocacy impact people's behaviours? I'm Anthony and for this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Mark and by Kate.
00:00:29
Speaker
So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Protein. Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:48
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Hang on a minute. You always pick phone.
00:00:56
Speaker
of social injustice has connection with another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you donna get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:11
Speaker
No I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hi everyone this is Mark. Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you for being here. Hi everybody, it's Kate here and yeah, this is an episode of Vegan Talk and there are plenty of other episodes available in our past podcast feed on all kinds of different and very interesting subjects so please go and have a look.
00:01:40
Speaker
Absolutely, they are not going out of date. They're just sitting there waiting for you to click on them. If you scroll down, they're the ones with the black text. So the ones with the pink text um on the yellow background, there are news shows.
00:01:53
Speaker
The ones with the black are the vegan talk shows.
Styles of Animal Advocacy
00:01:56
Speaker
Anyway, let's get on to today's episode. We are talking, as we said at the top, about how our animal advocacy works.
00:02:04
Speaker
can affect people's behavior or perhaps a different way of putting it would be how different styles of animal advocacy can affect people's behavior. Are we going do things in a loud shouty voice? Are we going do things more quietly?
00:02:16
Speaker
Are we going to share Facebook posts? Are we going to go on a march? Are we going to make cupcakes? That sort of thing. Now obviously that's a huge huge topic and we're not going to cover the whole thing in the scope of a 30-minute discussion.
00:02:28
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So if you would like to have a look at the article that we're going to be basing our conversation on, certainly the start of it, have a look in the show notes and it will take you to an article on faunalytics.org. You might have heard of them before.
00:02:45
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This is a couple of studies and and the write-up of it. The title is Planting Seeds, the Impact of Diet and Different Animal Advocacy Tactics.
00:02:56
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um It was published and on April the 27th, 2022. And the author is Andrea Polanco. They're a trained animal welfare scientist with a PhD from the University of Guelph, but is now happily conducting social science research at Fornalytics.com.
00:03:17
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um And they've done lots of animal rights activism as well. So just to give you a background, obviously, we're we're talking about different types of animal advocacy. You can see all of these bits in in more detail if you follow the link in the show notes, and including exactly which bits of advocacy were covered in which study.
00:03:38
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But basically, there were two studies conducted in the USA trying to address the topic of what impact does the different types of advocacy have explored people's experiences with these different types within the last five years.
Effectiveness of Media on Consumption Habits
00:03:56
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and then measured their current behaviors and attitudes i'm going to run through what the authors say are the key findings and there are some recommendations too but we'll we'll come on to those in a bit so key findings number one news articles and social media posts reduced self-reported animal product consumption for people who identify as a meat avoiding group but not for full meat eaters. So if you already identify as vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian, or reducetarian, reading a news article or a social media post reduced your animal product product consumption further.
00:04:36
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However, this impact didn't happen for meat eaters. It didn't seem to make a difference. Full meat eaters, I should say. The second key finding, protests showed inconsistent but also a troubling backfire effect for both meat eaters and meat avoiders with disruptive protests causing more issues.
Protest Impact and Reactions
00:04:59
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so according to the studies, protests seem to send things backwards in terms of animal product consumption.
00:05:08
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The third key finding, whether someone is a meat eater or a meat avoider also influences how they respond to advocacy, which in turn predicts their likelihood to take a diet pledge and to sign a petition.
00:05:23
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So I kind of guess whichever group you're in is going to impact whether you're going um sign a petition take a diet pledge probably not surprising that one the fourth key finding educational information about animal welfare labels didn't change people's intentions to purchase animal products with or without a welfare label that i find quite interesting i'm sure we'll talk about that in a bit The fifth finding, people's support to sign a welfare petition was influenced by the species targeted.
00:05:57
Speaker
So that's kind of less about the general message, but perhaps the specific species that we're talking about. The sixth finding, only two more to go, 41% of individuals who experienced animal advocacy claimed that it influenced them to reduce their animal product consumption, with rates ranging from 24% for celebrity endorsements all the way up to 72% for reading a book about animal suffering.
00:06:25
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So obviously different types of advocacy resulting in different levels of animal product consumption. And the last finding, different animal advocacy methods were similarly effective across racial and ethnic groups so basically no difference but some baseline differences point to the need for a deeper understanding so quite a lot to take in there as ever if we're talking about specific film or podcast or article we suggest you read it first just so you kind of have a better idea of what we're talking about but
00:07:01
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We're now going to hear Kate and Mark's take on this and I'll weigh in as well. Kate, are you happy to get the ball rolling? What were your thoughts on this one? Were you surprised at any of those findings?
00:07:13
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In a word, yes, I was actually because, well, and kind of disappointed as well. You know, the the the bit about protest protests showing inconsistence but troubling backfire effects for both meat eaters and meat avoiders with disruptive protests causing more issues.
00:07:34
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Why did that disappoint you? Because there were findings about some things having a positive effect. Yeah, I know. But I just, knowing the fantastic people that I do know that turn out for incredible protests and their passion and, you know, their just deep desire to change the world for animals.
00:08:01
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And it's like, well, you're wasting your time. it just seems it just seems like that's the message there somehow. And so, yep. Isn't it better to know that, though? and Yes, it is, but I don't think i still i I'm kind of sceptical a little bit because don't know if that's entirely based on that second study. i did did Did you look through the the questionnaire?
00:08:29
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Yeah. I mean, if that's based on that, i can imagine, so for me, looking at that questionnaire, I just thought it's so... obviously coming from animal advocacy point of view I think anyone that is perhaps a meat eater or what have you is going to already be quite have their hackles up well no that's not going change my attitude do you know what mean can you say a bit more about what what was in that questionnaire that that made you think it was quite transparent all the questions were referring to attitudes towards the treatment of animals, basically, you know. And so obviously wasn't, and whether or not it would affect people's behaviour on products they would buy, would they continue to eat, to buy meat products or
00:09:23
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Might they try apart those foods or what have you? So ah don't know it's ah don't know. It's not the same, i don't think, as someone being actually seeing ah protest and perhaps engaging with the sort of video information or something and then, you know, having a shock, which is shocking when you first find out about these things.
00:09:49
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And then in actual life, do you then go and... carry on buying, so go and often buy your burger or do you go and buy a plant burger? I don't know. you know what I mean? It's just, to me, it's just, I don't know what you guys thought about that. Have I got it completely wrong? I don't know. I think it, like we can get into the study design and things like that. I mean, you've touched on several things there. The fact that it's self-reported stuff. So someone who is a, I forget the term now, but like a fixed meat eater, a full meat eater,
00:10:21
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Like if if you if you know what the questions are getting at, then you are likely to double down. Also, the fact that, yes, these things cover a five-year period. They're relying on your memory and specific trigger points and did you watch this and and what effect did it have?
00:10:38
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But actually, often these things take longer than five years to to have an impact. I remember going to a Moby concert when I was 18 and there were animal rights stands in the foyer, in the lobby,
00:10:49
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And I remember thinking, blooming, and that's a bit extreme. What the hell is all that about? And then, you know, six years later, I'm vegan. But at the time, was like, what's all this? This ridiculous. what What a shame to have all this at this concert. You know, so it's there are all sorts of ways that things can be impacted over time and and our memory can distort things.
00:11:09
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Be interested to hear from you, Mark, as to your general feelings on on the the findings from this. you You brought this article to our attention. What are your main feelings on it at the moment?
Critique of Study Methodology and Findings
00:11:22
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I brought the article to people's attention because when it it was flagged up first at a ah meeting that I was at recently by another fellow activist, they they mentioned the the conclusion the report comes to, saying that a direct action and disruptive protest tend to be counterproductive.
00:11:41
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And she was like, you care she was expressing disappointment in this ah because she had been very active for herself in her glory days and was disappointed to hear from this report. So I had to have a look at it.
00:11:53
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The more I looked at it, it's a very small report of about 2000 people. It's self-reported, as you say, anthonyy which is not towards unreliable. And it's asking people to ah state their intended actions in the future, which again is is is a different thing than actually stuff that you will do in the future. So it's a very patchy, um nebulous, vague methodology that comes to similarly very vague, ambivalent conclusions, if if you want to call them that. Look, what I would say is you don't need to do a study to look at the impact of various forms of activism on the animal rights movement and on society. You only need to look at recent and not so recent history to figure out what is the best way of doing things.
00:12:35
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And the best way doing things will vary from issue to issue, ah culture to culture, time to time. But ive I wrote a book about the direct action movement for animals, and I can safely tell you that from its very inception, direct action worked. The very first reported ah series of actions against a fox hunt, which which happened in a tiny little village in County Limerick in the west of Ireland called Brewery, was an immediate success. It shut down that fox hunt. They didn't just stop goat hunting for that season.
00:13:06
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They disbanded and moved back to England. where their leader was crushed by a horse a few years later whilst adult fox hunting. So direct action, since its formal inception and since its reported ah beginnings, has had immediate short-term, medium-term and long-term success in the UK and Ireland, and that is provable.
00:13:27
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And you can read books by Keith Mann from Dusk Till Dawn or The Humanity Trigger or the biography of Ronnie Lee. And you can see the impact that a tiny group of individuals can have on the direction of government policy and social consensus.
00:13:43
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okay There was a time when every high street in Britain and Ireland had a first shop or two or three. Now there are none. There's a reason for that. It wasn't because of social media posts and people handing out leaflets.
00:13:58
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It was because of the Animal Liberation Front and Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd doing what they were doing. And that was direct action in very soft to hard forms. okay And you can look back at the impact these things have had in a very linear fashion. As soon as they start, the industry that they're attacking goes into decline and they maintain the action until the industry disappears.
00:14:20
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So you had that with whaling, you had that with sealing, you had that with the fur industry. You even had that actually with the vivisection industry, which at its peak during during the 1970s, experimented on about 6 million animals a year.
00:14:32
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ah decade later, when the ALF kicked in, that's down to about half of that, and it's a hot potato issue. That wasn't because of the lack of... It was because of the use of direct directt action against those specific things.
00:14:45
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The study doesn't take into account the reasons why direct action is performed... and who it's meant to appeal to or who it's meant to be addressing. It isn't always the general public. The general public aren't the be-all and end-all of what we should be doing. Their opinion on what we're doing shouldn't be the only barometer that that we use.
00:15:07
Speaker
They may be appalled initially or shocked initially by some things that certain people do. Over time, we've planted seeds in people's heads. Their initial reaction to being ah blocked in traffic because of the blockade or something like this is frustration. It's meant to be frustration.
00:15:23
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That's the point of that action. To assume that that's an unfortunate side effect of the action is to misunderstand the point of that action, right? It's meant to get people to stop and think.
00:15:36
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Initially, they will be outraged and shocked and angry. eventually some of them will see the point you're making. Yeah, I very much thought that the the author had missed the point with that one. And I i should say before going on to give some small C critique on on the article, like I commend Andrea Polanco for doing this work and i was saying to kate before we started the recording um want to see a lot more studies on the psychological side of veganism i think we see lots of great studies about the health impacts of plant-based diets and i think we've got quite enough of those actually but i'd love to see lots more work done on the barriers to being vegan what impact is stuff having so i think in general
00:16:22
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This is a ah field that needs lots more work done in it. However, ah I did have issues with certain things, particularly the one that you're saying, Mark. Like, I mean, I don't think much of DXC, direct action everywhere, but a lot of what they do is um they will do stunts that is not trying to convince people to be vegan.
00:16:45
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It's trying to convince vegans to become active vegans. That's the point. so so So to look at their work and say, well, that was pointless. You going into that restaurant, mouthing off, that's not turned anyone vegan. Well, it wasn't meant to.
00:16:58
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That wasn't the point. So to measure it by that is, you you know... There's no point measuring apples by the standards of pairs. You're going to come up with poor results, aren't you? I did think as well, another, um going on to the recommendations, one of the recommendations was we recommend caution around the use of advocacy types that have not been supported by experimental data. So basically, if there's not experimental data about a type of advocacy, we recommend caution around it. The examples they give are educational information about animal welfare labels,
00:17:32
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documentaries and billboards now i know this is just anecdotal but when i was running a vegan cafe that the number one thing that people would say when they came in for the first time when they solicited a reason why they were coming in was i watched what the health yesterday and i need to give this plant-based diet thing a try you know And okay, that's a plant-based diet. Okay, that's one day in.
00:17:58
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That's not someone going vegan. I understand that. But to say we recommend caution around documentaries, I just thought that really doesn't tally with my experience. you know But you know they've done they've done the data. I don't think this should be dismissed out of hand. And I i completely...
00:18:15
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have the same um interpretation as Mark in terms of, well, let's look back to history. Let's see, you know, I'm sure initially the reaction to the suffragettes stuff and civil disobedience in in America in the 50s and 60s.
00:18:29
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I'm sure the initial reaction to that wasn't particularly favourable, but actually history now tells that that was important part of it. So I do think we need to do that. And we need to keep testing that because the world's very different to 50 years ago. So it might be that that different kinds of advocacy will have different effects now. So definitely more data, more studies on this, the better.
00:18:54
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And I definitely don't want to dismiss things out of hand. But yeah, there were a few things in here that i was like, really? i'm I'm not sure about that. Can I just interject there just a little? Because Twitter,
00:19:05
Speaker
Point, see, I think they contradict themselves. key Under the key findings, point six, it says 41% of individuals who had experienced animal advocacy claimed that it influenced them to reduce their animal product consumption, with rates ranging from 24% for celebrity endorsements.
00:19:25
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to 72% for reading a book about animals suffering. And then there were similarly high claims and wide ranges or for other effects. Overall books, meat-free challenges, classroom freedom education and documentaries appear to be the most effective on the basis of self-report.
00:19:45
Speaker
Am missing something? And then recommendation four, they're saying we recommend caution around the use of these things. Yeah. Maybe there's something that's a bit lost in was say lost in translation, but perhaps we're misunderstanding something there. But that does appear to be contradictory, doesn't it?
00:20:02
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Yeah, I don't understand. When the ah the British Union of Fascists tried to march down Cable Street in the east end of London during the 1930s, they were opposed by thousands of Jews and Irish dockers and socialists and anarchists who came out to take them on, right?
00:20:18
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And there was a massive pitched battle basically against the police. There was only a few hundred BUF members there. There was thousands of police intent on forcing the march through. And there was what became known as the Battle of Cable Street, much heralded muchheralded and ah celebrated resistance to fascism amongst the British working class. There's a great folk song written about it as well by a group called the Young'uns. There's probably lots of folk songs written about it. lots, yeah, there's a lot of, yeah, there's a,
00:20:44
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It was a touchstone for so much that that I came afterwards and set the template for a militant anti-fascism ah for the next century to come. The immediate impact of the Battle of Cable Street was an increase in membership of the British Union of Fascists. okay They doubled or trebled their membership as a result of the reaction to the Battle of Cable Street for about six months. And then the membership dipped down and then the party disappeared.
00:21:07
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My point is, is that oftentimes direct direct action like this can have what's see an immediate, the shorter effect can be some appreciation for the other side, especially if they've been really transed and people have sympathy for them.
00:21:21
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And some of them will join that movement. But that's a very short-lived reaction. And the medium and long-term reactions and implications of the Battle of Cable Street were very much anti-fascist and were a very successful example of direct action against
Role of Direct Action in Social Movements
00:21:37
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fascism.
00:21:37
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So... Sometimes direct action can, and it's designed to shock and maybe appall and maybe outrage people to get a conversation going because the alternative is silence and silence equals death.
00:21:51
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So direct action is not only a useful tool, but I would say it is a vital tool to kickstart a conversation in society about treatment of women or people who don't have white skin or animals that aren't humans.
00:22:05
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You know, it's always been a successful, the radical flag has always been required to make the moderate flag seem even more moderate. The system will talk to the moderate flank and it will try and ignore the radical flank, but it will talk to the moderate flank a lot quicker and lot deeper if there is a radical flank.
00:22:21
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So you have your Black Panthers and you have your you have your Martin Luther King, right? You have your Malcolm X your Martin Luther King. They're both required. They both bounce off each other and sharpen each other's edges.
00:22:33
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and are required. And this study is amazingly sloppy. And it doesn't, if you come away thinking that direct action doesn't work on the basis of this study, it's doing a disservice to the movement that it proposes to be serving, I think, because it hasn't analyzed the impact of direct action in real time,
00:22:53
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historically recently or not and that's all you have to do as a convoluted study like this that that has so many pitfalls and isn't required to just read an objective history book on on this subject and it will tell you all you need to know on the impact of direct action Well, I think in fairness to the author, that like they had their final recommendation says that strong evidence about the impact of different advocacy types is still very limited.
00:23:20
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So more research is needed before making major changes to campaign strategies. So although there are these key findings, these recommendations, they're effectively saying, look, this is a really limited field.
00:23:32
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We need more data before we change our direction forward. in one way or another. What you were saying, Mark, completely tallied up with a quote that I've got in front of me. This is from bryantresearch.co.uk.
00:23:45
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We'll put a link in the show notes. um And there is an article that Kate brought our attention to on loud activism on June 2024. And the opening quote says, there seems to be a role for both loud and quiet activism.
00:24:00
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Loud activism plays an important role in moving people from the pre-contemplation stage to the contemplation stage. with quiet activism then helping to move people from the contemplation stage to the preparation stage and that was that's a quote from Sada Rice and Chris Bryant.
00:24:18
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Kate do you want to share with listeners a little bit about Bryant research and what they do because I've Mark and I have only just come across this before we started recording but it's a it's a great treasure trove of some really interesting research on topics like this.
00:24:32
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Yeah, so they are an evidence-based research group of people, very clever people, um and um you know looking at the social science side of things.
00:24:46
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And I think Chris Bryant says he's looking at ah particularly a protein transition, protein the buzzword, You know, to plant-based proteins, obviously, from animal-based proteins.
00:25:01
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And, ah yeah, there's a lot of really interesting stuff in there and advice about activism. Yeah, I think it's really interesting what they're saying about the loud activism, which is the public confrontational type of activism.
00:25:17
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activism But um yeah, and how, you know, things like the cube Cube of Truth, We the Free and things like that, it actually puts things in people's faces, the you know, the that and and um and shocks people and upsets people.
00:25:34
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And then but some people go away, oh, no, I don't want to know anything about that. pago But it's in their head. They can't help but not think about it. And yeah, And then the the the quiet activists, the you know people who are perhaps talking to people one-to-one, members of your family, or they they can ah you know gently move people on.
00:26:00
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And they can so they can also, if is if that knowing that actually they're on the same same page, but if you're like ah more of a quiet activism type person, You could go, yeah, yeah, don't agree with them. Yeah, they're really radical, aren't they?
00:26:14
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But, you know, they're helping move people's minds into it making people think that actually, you know, veganism is... isn't so strange, isn't so weird, and there there there's a side of it that they can get on board with.
00:26:32
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It's something called moving the Overton window. so it's making the more moderate activists seem reasonable, especially when compared to the to the loud shouty activists. so you know, so that people feel like they're more likely to get on board with what they're saying.
Challenges in Changing Meat Eaters' Perspectives
00:26:51
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<unk> all interesting stuff, isn't it? All interesting stuff. I would say as well, just just one more criticism of the study is that they they they're relying an awful lot on the reaction of meat eaters, people who have woken up every day and made a conscious decision to engage in this practice and to finance the factory farm system.
00:27:10
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and they know what they're doing, and it's not like they're living in a bubble, and anyone in this day and age is aware to some degree of the horrors of factory farming and what they're doing. If they're still prepared to do that, then to be honest, I'm not sure what can shift them.
00:27:25
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And to be blaming the outreach efforts of the animal rights community only for their inability to receive this information is a bit unfair. Maybe it's them, maybe it isn't us, maybe it is them. Maybe they are so marred in speciesism that and they will never change, no matter what. You could take them on a guided tour of the worst abattoir in Argentina and they will come out the other end and order a steak.
00:27:51
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And at some point you've just got to conclude, right, it's not what we're doing or not doing, it's them. And they cannot be reached and they are beyond hope or help. And ah not to be always ultra scrutinizing what we're doing,
00:28:06
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and not ah taking into account maybe maybe it isn't us. Maybe what what we're doing is right or as good as we can do. Maybe it's just them. Some people will just not ever change and we should stop beating beating ourselves up over that fact.
00:28:21
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It's unfortunate, but it's not our fault as theirs. and we shouldn't constantly be tweaking our approach to our tactics based on that sort of false perception of things maybe we are doing everything that we can do and we are doing the best thing that we can do but it isn't always going to work for everyone and c'est la vie and you just just continue on doing but what you're best at and not overthink things or or only see it as being your fault All we're ever doing as activists is pointing out what but they're doing.
00:28:51
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We aren't making this stuff up in order to shock people. We're not Stephen King. We're just reporting on what they're doing. not what we're doing. So we are just holding a mirror up to their actions. If they get upset about that, it's because of what they're doing, not because of what we're doing.
Systemic Approach to Activism
00:29:07
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And analogies of squeaky wheels on bikes comes to mind, actually, like actually the most ardent meat eaters could become the the focus of our attention as animal advocates. Well,
00:29:19
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actually there's an argument of ignoring ignoring that loud squeak on the bicycle and saying well actually maybe there's other other parts of the bike that need our attention and and could could make maybe that wheel's always going to squeak you know that's just the nature of the bicycle but there could be other other things that we could tweak and and make a ah difference much more readily i think that's a really really good point Bryant research in particular they say blame the system and not individuals which is you know rather it's your fault you're eating that burger stop eating that it's all your fault that the animals are dying because you're eating that burger because so you know even somebody well we won't talk about the squeaky wheel we'll talk to the
00:30:04
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The other parts of the bike who maybe are more approachable, but, um you know, um like a lot of people can agree with you that the system's wrong, you know, and so finding common ground and all that, i think...
00:30:20
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they've They've got some really great things on there. And also the Fornalytics website, they've got a great fact sheet there about some of the positive things that you can do that will make a difference to your advocacy.
00:30:35
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So things like knowing your audience and pitching it to that particular audience. ah timing and as you said earlier Anthony not talking about eating meat or anything while people are actually eating it you know there's there's ah there's a whole load of things on there which you know are common sense or not as well so there there are there are some good things on there I think too Yep, it's definitely an area of the movement I would like to see a lot more resources do diverted to for for for what it's worth. I think that's um understanding human nature and how we can harness it more towards ah an animal friendly, climate friendly environment.
00:31:17
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um end is is is going to be a good strategy in my opinion but that's just my opinion we very much love hearing all of your opinions out there listeners and here is how to get in touch with us To get in touch with us, just send us an email at enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com.
00:31:38
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com lovely stuff well thank you Kate and thank you Mark for that conversation that was really interesting and like a lot of our vegan talk conversations just the tip of the iceberg there just getting the ball rolling and there's plenty more that we could have to say about that listeners if you've enjoyed the conversation too you can really help us out if you've not left us a review anywhere before um that could just take you a few moments and would make a big impact in terms of
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It's going to be a Vegan Week episode, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thanks, Kate and Anthony, for all your contributions. Thanks again, everyone, for listening.
Episode Conclusion
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I've been Mark, and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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This has been an Enough of the Falafel production. We're just a normal bunch of everyday vegans putting our voices out there. The show is hosted by Zencaster. We use music and special effects by zapsplap.com.
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And sometimes if you're lucky at the end of an episode, you'll hear a poem by Mr. Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
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