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A sickeningly sanitised version of the story of an escaped reindeer from "Santa's Enchanted Forest" did the rounds last week, with little to no mention of animal rights or indeed the likely real-life experiences endured by this innocent incarcerated creature. If nothing else, we at Enough of the Falafel can proudly step in to give an alternative perspective on such happenings.
As well as these stories, Julie, Dominic, Carlos & Anthony discuss nine other bits of news from the vegan & animal rights space over the last seven days across the world.
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Week podcast, we aim to keep listeners (& ourselves) informed & up-to-date with the latest developments that affect vegans & non-human animals; giving insight, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we look through news stories from the past 7 days in the world of veganism & animal rights.
If you spot any news stories that might catch our fancy, or have an idea for a discussion topic, get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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This week's stories:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/eat/woolworths-explains-meat-move-after-vegan-backlash/news-story/ab563f7e5f62a9d1f83e956b79954daf
https://abc7news.com/post/animal-rights-welfare-activists-protest-outside-oakland-safeway-ahead-thanksgiving-heres/18216458/
https://veganuary.com/veganuary-2026-launch/
https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/people/milton-keynes-cinemas-launch-petas-ho-ho-horrifying-christmas-ad-that-will-turn-viewers-vegan-5426409
https://farming.co.uk/news/ahdb-new-scientific-report-reveals-dairys-vital-role-in-uk-diets-and-sustainability
https://www.huntsabs.org.uk/a-ban-well-overdue/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5l209pn1wo
https://centraleuropeantimes.com/fur-industry-phased-out-due-to-polish-animal-protection-2/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/11/28/wyoming-pig-wrestling-teton-county-fair/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzY0MzkyNDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzY1Nzc0Nzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3NjQzOTI0MDAsImp0aSI6IjcxNmM3ZTRiLWNhMzItNDMwNC05YzRjLTQ5MmU0OGI1MTBjYyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb24vMjAyNS8xMS8yOC93eW9taW5nLXBpZy13cmVzdGxpbmctdGV0b24tY291bnR5LWZhaXIvIn0.mvztSTzurhcgg1qF7pgdmmG4cT3WqgEAwr-pEEu_ZXY
https://abc7news.com/post/animal-rights-activist-zoe-rosenberg-sentenced-taking-4-chickens-north-bay-farm/18247254/
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Julie, Dominic, Carlos & Ant
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Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:00
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Hello, hello everybody! If you are on the hunt for animal rights and vegan news, then look no further, because you are in the right place. My name is Dominic, and joining me for this episode are Julie, Carlos and Anthony. But that's enough for the falafel, it is time for Vegan Week. So I think vegans go looking for trouble, even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for! Brrr! Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? it They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:40
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Hang on a minute. You always pick them.
00:00:48
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of social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be all right. Does veganism give him don't
Controversial Opinions and Stories
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have laser vision. and Hello everybody, Julie here Welcome to this episode of Vegan Week. Thank you very much for joining us. Hey everyone, Anthony here. So Vegan Week, as the name kind of hints at, it's looking back at the last week in the vegan and animal rights space with regards to the news. So me, Carlos and Julie and Dominic are going to talk about about 10 different stories from the last seven days. And last, but hopefully not least, if I may say so, this is Carlos. But that's enough of the falafel. Let's hear what's been going on in the news this week.
00:01:47
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For more details on the upcoming news stories, including links to our original source material, check out our show notes for this episode, available on your podcast player.
00:01:58
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Alright folks, we have loads of different news stories to work our way through this week. And the first one I'm going to speak to Julie about is a story that's quite close to my heart because I have done every job under the sun near enough in my path to being the...
00:02:15
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46 year old person who speaks to you today and I've certainly worked in retail. Now this story is from a retail place down in Australia. We're recording this from the UK usually um but Australia has a shop called Woolworths which have a section of their shop that is usually full of vegan stuff but there's been confusion because a whole load of meat and animal products has found their way into this section which is clearly labelled plant-based food and hasn't been and people have been arguing various things some people are saying that it's
00:02:58
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really outrageous. And I can really see it from that point of view, because I know that I have picked up stuff that I thought is vegan from a certain section of the supermarket. And I've got home and realised it was incorrectly placed. And I've been furious, furious that my money is supported something that I'm so much against. However, there were also people saying, do you know what it's like working in retail? Do you know the demands placed upon you? Do you know what a challenging job? And I do really relate. to that So, Julie, this is one story that I can certainly see both sides of. Now, if you've not listened to this show before, Julie is always a person with a fiery view on everything. So I look forward hearing your take on this thing that has happened, Julie. What do you make of it all?
00:03:48
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I'm going in fiery for you. I don't want to let you down. at first reading, I thought, oh, well, maybe it's a bit understandable. You know, things end up in the wrong aisle or in the wrong section in the supermarket I shop in back home, you know, whatever. And somebody on Reddit, I think it was, there was a bit of an article on this was saying, this is the same thing. It happens every year. It's just because of Christmas stuff is very predominantly meat based and it doesn't there's not room and all the rest of it but you know what on reflection I just thought to myself I think someone's being a bit of a git here Because of all the swaps to make, this is the most offensive they could do. You know, there must been other spaces for the surplus dead animals that people were expecting to sell over Christmas. To my mind... You know, it's a little bit like another shop saying, well, oh, well, for the festive season, we've got in, you know, our best slasher movies and our hardest core porn for the holidays.
00:04:58
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And, oh, there's a lot of it. Gosh, where will we put it? Oh, gosh, good. There's a bit of capacity in the
Veganuary's Impact and Celebrity Endorsements
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children's section. Oh, that's fine. You know? That is a fiery view, Julie. That is a fiery view. I think mean it's hard for me to pass comment when I've not actually seen it. So as much as I love to support little independent places, I'll confess here in the UK, we've got a proper budget supermarket called Aldi. I think it's a mainland European shop. Originally, it's made its way over here to England. And in our Aldi in Manchester, where I live,
00:05:33
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somehow all the vegan stuff has shifted one row along so within the same in in the frozen section like it's just slightly to the left so it is literally under the wrong banner I can't remember what it is it might be like fish or something but because it's all so clearly labeled I kind of give them a bit of a free pass on that because I think well it is poor you could just take the things off the top and But it's not even about the labelling for me. I mean, if you are someone who is disgusted by the sight of a poor slaughtered animal in cellophane, you don't want to be looking at that when you're trying to buy your nice, peaceful food. And a horrible thing to think of or to say maybe, but, yeah you know, these packages leak sometimes. Those fridges will be bloodied. You know, you don't want to eat your piece. I just find it it would make me squeamish. I think the only thing that I'm hanging on to is I hope it goes the other way round when January swings around and Veganuary kicks in. That's all.
00:06:39
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Anyway, enough already. That's an excellent segue, Julie, to Anthony's first story because Anthony is going to speak to us about Veganuary. Now, I am going to explain, just in case, this is your very, very first vegan experience, which it might be tuning into us. You might be watching What is Veganuary? Well, it is ah ah taking the opportunity for people's New Year's resolutions. It's a new start. And every year there's a massive campaign to try and encourage people to at least eat vegan for the month, to give it a go, fully vegan for the month. Now, there's been here in the UK a YouGov survey. So people have been asked. And the survey claims that more than one in 10 adults in the UK are ah planning to take part in Veganuary. So that is, I believe, like 12% of the country, which is a phenomenally good thing. Other statistics, ah one third of the UK in the same survey said that they prefer whole food options such as beans, lentils, tofu and tempeh. And ah one quarter, 23 percent enjoy both whole foods and plant based meats alternatives equally to ah to other meals. So so I think they sound quite promising figures. Anthony, what do you reckon? Do you feel G'd up?
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yeah Well, I mean, it's it's certainly ah kinder statistics than i I would have predicted myself. I'm always a bit sceptical about headlines like this. And Veganuary have, I mean, theyre in my opinion, they're a wonderful organisation. In the past, surveys they've done have ended up with generalisations that are slightly stretching things. So if you sort of once said that you might be interested in doing something, they'll they'll make it sound like, oh, you're definitely signed up forever or something like that. But um Yeah, of the just over 2,000 people that were asked, 12% of them said that they were likely to do Veganuary. That was um at the end of October, the data was collected. So that's that's great news. And I have to say, like I've said before that I think Veganuary have been the the organization or the the campaign that's had the biggest impact on veganism in the last 10 years. That's just my opinion. But just in terms of meeting random people um in cafes and restaurants and on the street and just talking about things, that seems to get people interested in ah and raise the profile of animal rights and veganism. Saying that, their their their website and and indeed for this campaign, like the the big image is... is of Kirsty Gallagher, who's going to be doing it this year. And she's mainly talking about how she's hoping she'll feel different. And that's kind of from a ah dietary perspective. But credit to them. they They do further down, they cite Samantha Renke and that they're both mentioning animal rights reasons for an ethical reasons. for for trying Veganuary. So I think they're up against it, Veganuary, to keep people interested and to keep... It's it's the the world we live in. You've got to keep reinventing things and and keep making something have a bit more appeal. I suppose it's something a bit different, a bit unique. So they're going need to keep trying different ways of doing that. And if, yeah, if 12% of people are saying they're interested, then fabulous. Like I say, definitely... a higher percentage than I would have guessed if you asked me, Dominic, to predict this a week ago before I saw this story. So let's see. Let's see if they follow through. i always think it's a little bit problematic, our ah Western world obsession with people who we see as celebrities. And part me does think, well, who cares? Who cares that that like someone off a certain TV show? you know And it can certainly set up false expectations of
00:10:45
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people being on platforms that that they really matters. You know, some of these might stick at being vegan. Some of them might not stick at being vegan. And I think it kind of muddies the water when immediately people go, look, this person is vegan. It's like, are they though? Are they? Are they? You know, I don't know if that's always, maybe it's just my particular take that I don't always think it's the best. Well, it's prime and it's it's about it's about the everyday person, isn't it? And it's a social justice movement, veganism and and animal rights. And so it's, yeah, it's important that everyday folk can relate to it and can carry it out and aren't going to the wrong section of the supermarket to buy their plant-based products.
Debates on Dairy and Sustainable Diets
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and We don't want loads of people doing veganuary accidentally buying ham, do we? So...
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yeah We do not. We do not. When I introduced you, Ant, I said, are you G'd up for this? And I think that's probably not at all a vegan phrase, is it? I don't know. G'd up. Is that from horse racing? Boo, boo. was like, V'd up. Are you V'd up for the news today? That sounds good, doesn't it? Yeah, invented a new phrase. way I mean, it might sound like you've taken a yeah a particular blue pill, actually, being V'd up. I don't know.
00:11:59
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ah Yeah, there is that, isn't there? There is that. Yeah, maybe that's not going to catch on. Who knows? Who knows? Well, ah those of you who, again, might be listening for the first time, Anthony, who we just heard from then, doesn't just give opinions. It's Anthony who goes out into the wide, wide world seeking all the news stories that Julie, Carlos, myself and whoever's on the show comment on and hat Hats off to Anthony, that Anthony doesn't just look at vegan friendly sources. I'm going to speak to Carlos about an article from Farming Online. So Anthony has found this story from Farming Online. And the story is about a new scientific report revealing dairy's vital role in UK diets and sustainability. So the reason I say hats off to Anthony is because we could just look at articles that are going, yay, vegan. And this article is not one that is unbiased. This is an article that is ah hugely, hugely unbiased.
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biased in a way that is not vegan friendly. So it is the AHDB, the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, who ah previously did a big old report on red meat saying, yay, red meat, woo. And they've now done one similar saying that dairy is a building block of healthy and sustainable diets, an affordable solution to nutrient shortfalls. They're saying, that ah well-balanced livestock farming systems don't just provide food, they can offer key environmental benefits for the planet, such as carbon storage, habitat management and improved soil health. Now, these views aren't my views.
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What are your views in reaction to this, Carlos? Yeah, so kudos to Anthony for bringing us kind of some news from the other side, I guess. So the AAHDB or the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, they've ah released this report. that They've also released a similar report focusing on red meat. I mean, why not at this point? They say it's a science-led review, claiming dairy is essential to UK diets and environmental goals. But you know They say that dairy is a building block of healthy and sustainable diets. Their words, not mine.
00:14:30
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An affordable solution to nutrient shortfalls. And that the UK dairy is among the most efficient and sustainable globally with emissions intensity down 22% since 1990 and other stuff like that. So this is essentially taxpayer-funded industry PR document, which poses as neutral science, but is in fact, you know, has been created with very much a specific intention. And it's been designed to lock dairy into the nutrition and climate policy right at this very moment where there's a growing concern among the public about animal agriculture and the emissions coming from animal agriculture. I would i would challenge the framing of dairy as a cornerstone of UK nutrition, an affordable solution to nutrient shortfalls, because every nutrient they cite, like protein, calcium, and iodine, can be quite easily, in fact, obtainable from plant-based foods or and or supplements without having to exploit any animals. And then they go on about this emissions going down 22% since 1990,
00:15:38
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which it just seems such a wrong thing to say because by their nature, this is a very, an industry, the dairy industry is an industry with lots of high emissions. So saying that they're down 22% since 99, I mean, that's 35 years only go down by 22%. And they've started as very high emission industry.
00:15:57
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and they've started as a very high emission industry So to me, this this this seems like very counterintuitive for them to say that they've only gone down 22% when in fact, you know this is they already started being very high emissions. It's awful, isn't it, Carlos? It's awful. And I mean, there'd be fewer emissions if this wasn't an industry that existed. And I'm sure that we all have plenty of meat eaters in our lives who think that animals are just naturally born and they just happen to be there on the farm, as opposed to them being bred. You know, they're being larger numbers because of this industry. So large number of cows, larger number of emissions, which wouldn't exist if
00:16:39
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these animals weren't being bred for humans to use. Yeah, I mean, the an even better way to reduce emissions would be to just do away with dairy the dairy industry altogether.
Protests and Activism Challenges
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That would be down 100% since 1990. And people could get the the same nutrients elsewhere. And of course, as you can imagine, this article...
00:16:57
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at no point, ah this article and and the study that's referring to, no point does it mention calves being taken from mothers, routine killing of surplus animals, or, you know, just the basic injustice of breeding sentient beings as nutrient delivery machines.
00:17:14
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when there's no need for such a thing. So by all accounts, a terrible, a terrible report. But we're mentioning it here. We're giving the counter story here. So thank you, Carlos, for that.
00:17:26
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Okay, I'm going to go back to Julie for a story from 7 News. So this is a USA story. about animal welfare activists protesting outside Oakland Safeway ahead of Thanksgiving. So those of you who look at the notes for our podcast, we have links to all the stories and there is a yeah ah video on this one that you can watch of the protesters. Really emotive seeing ah young people going out and protesting in this way. ah Zoe Rosenberg is a person who took one of four chickens from a slaughterhouse in, oh, am I going to say this correctly, Petaluma in 2023.
00:18:09
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And she has been ah found guilty of trespassing by a jury, as well as other charges. And she's now facing up to four and a half years in prison. ah Julie, we hear stories like this, and it's really difficult to not have a yeah a heavy heart hearing this because she's done a fantastic thing but this is ah consequences of those actions how do you feel Julie? Well this demonstration at Safely was for two reasons as I understand it
00:18:44
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It was in the run-up to Thanksgiving to highlight the fact that over 40 million turkeys were going to lose their life because of people following a ridiculous tradition. And it was taking place the week before Zoe, who I believe we're going to talk about later in the show, so I won't talk about her too much just now, before Zoe's trial, which has now happened. So it was providing a sort of dual purpose, you know, in terms of its timing, but also overall, obviously, to get shoppers to stop and think about what they were having. And I don't know about anybody else here, but when there is anybody in my environment at close quarters chanting over and over again and amplified by one of those megaphone things,
00:19:36
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I just want to do whatever will make them stop, really, honestly. So I think it looked like a really effective demonstration, very kind of well-organized, looking very slick, very well-resourced and...
00:19:54
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It made me think of a story that we covered during the year about a kind of similar-ish, except it wasn't, protest in a supermarket where people sat in the meat aisle and the man in the croc shoes was yeah having to walk a bit further to get his meat and he was very annoyed about it.
00:20:13
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It kind of, it made me feel it slightly put us to shame because it was so slick, but absolutely good on them. Direct action everywhere, I believe, was behind it and a very well-timed and well-orchestrated bit of awareness raising for the Safeway shoppers in and that particular evening.
Adverts and Media Strategies
00:20:34
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Yes, Julie. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Another bit of activism on the big screen. Peter have a new Christmas advert, which I have seen. i wonder if you have seen it yet.
00:20:50
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I know some people who are seeing it are ah people who will be going to cinemas in Milton Keynes. So we've got a story from MK Citizen, Milton Keynes Citizen. ah News you can trust since 1981 is their tagline. And I think this news article is relatively balanced, ah reporting the fact that the Happy Chris Massacre advert from Peter is going to be shown before films in cinema. And they actually have put a link to it so that people who read their online thing can read. watch it themselves.
00:21:27
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It is graphic, it is ah a shocking advert and it's going to be seen by lots and lots of people encouraging them to think about what they are eating, the impact of the choices they are making. Anthony, what is your reaction to this Well, it's interesting. we We choose not to give ourselves big introductions for this podcast. We don't start the show by saying, well, with us today is Dominic. And then we hear all about Dominic's biography before we hear what Dominic's got to say. That's quite deliberate. We want to hear what Dominic's got to say first. And from there, we'll decide whether we're interested in him or not, um as an example. And I have to say, knowing the purpose of this advert and knowing it was Peter did influence my watching of it. It's two minutes long. And I kind of already decided what I was going to think about it. and That won't be the case for those who are watching it in a cinema. And i have to say, it's um like say, it's two minutes long. And the first one minute, 50 seconds of it, is very authentic and accurate um looking and sounding Christmas table discussion. I would say the sort of stereotypical conversations. I thought they got it spot on, but there's this blood spattering the whole time. And if you didn't know it was a Peter ad,
00:22:53
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If you didn't know that it was ah an animal rights-themed thing, you would be thinking, I think, well, what's all this blood? what's What's it all about? And then with 10 seconds to go, i think one of the characters says something like, oh, well done, everyone. We've survived another Christmas. And then the graphic flashes up saying how many millions of animals haven't survived. this Christmas and they do the clever word play that Dominic's mentioned about the the Chris massacre. And like I say, I think it's one of those instances where as a vegan, as someone who knows where it's coming from, i didn't get the same impact that I think somebody in a cinema is a very immersive person. You're there ready to have a story told to you when you're going to ah to a cinema to watch a film. And I think it will be really effective. It's 15 rated. So it it will be shown in films that are 15 or or
00:23:48
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above fifteens or eighteens um as is our film guidance in this country. There could have been more educational points to it or or things like that, but actually it's a really straightforward message. you know In order for these animals to be on your table this Christmas, they have to be killed. So it was clear, it was straightforward. that that My only comment, and and you know Peter have got their own strategy for getting column inches, getting clicks, getting people interested,
00:24:18
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I wondered whether that they're releasing press releases at the same time as they're releasing these ads. And I think knowing what the ad's going to be about spoils it slightly. And I wondered about them maybe doing this press release in a couple of weeks time once people have had a chance to see it and then almost reporting back on it. Because I think obviously there'll be a lot of people who won't be going to the cinema in Milton Keynes. and all the other towns and cities around the UK who'll be seeing it. But I thought if you read about it first, it would spoil it. But they're probably getting tens, hundreds of thousands more people reading this message. And as you say, Dominic, that you know local newspapers like this are generally desperate for a press release. So they've I think they've probably just copied and pasted this press release
Hunting Practices and Legal Struggles
00:25:05
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verbatim. So it is pretty animal rights friendly, the language they're using. They're not being scathing of it or
00:25:12
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or anything like that. So I understand why they've done it, but I just think it might spoil it for a few people who might. it's's It's like telling someone, oh, you watch this film and it's going to make you go vegan.
00:25:24
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I know a lot of people who'll be like, well, now I definitely won't because you've told me how I'm going to react. Whereas if it was a surprise, it might have more impact. But I'm picking Knits here. I think it's a good thing that they've done. And yeah,
00:25:37
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Good show. I think it's a good thing that they've done. And I can imagine people in my life who would be shocked by it in a way I would believe could result in positive action, could be a moving away from that. I think that, yeah, it's one of the better things. We've we've been quite critical of other aspects of Peter in previous falafel shows. And I, for one, think this is a good thing.
00:26:03
Speaker
Thank you, Anthony. OK, over to Carlos for another story directed to Carlos. And our first one was from not really a very animal rights focused print, the ah farming website. Well, we've got story here from Hunt Saboteurs Association. So a UK organisation directly working with sabotaging hunts and an illegal fox hunting happening by the Vale of Taunton. and Banwell has been caught on film and all the film is available on this website. So we can discuss in great detail whether we think laws are fair. Short version, of course they're not. Of course they're not. There should be a greater number of laws protecting the lives and the rights of animals but when what few we do have are broken it's wonderful that ah people using drones are able to record footage and share footage on places like this Carlos you've got quite a lot of knowledge and experience when it comes to this end of the world haven't you so what what are your views on this particular story Recently, the the labor government um and has promised to finally have a consultation on strengthening the ban at the big in early 2026. And that's mentioned in the article that you know this footage you know just kind of adds pressure to it. Drones are fantastic saving tools in terms of giving intel and collecting evidence.
00:27:37
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Unfortunately, they cannot do the thing that sabs do when they're close to the hunt, which is stopping actually the hounds from hunting and distracting them, which is a shame. So they they're just one of the many tools that hunt saboteurs use. Yeah, and of course, what the HSA is saying here is nothing new.
00:27:54
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Fox hunting is is not a a glitch of trail hunting. In fact, trail hunting doesn't exist, but it's a feature. you know Trail hunting is just a smoke screen. And in fact, when the Hunting Act came out, There were some training seminars by the British Hound Sports Association. I think that's their their name, the be BHSA, which confusingly has a very similar acronym to the HSA, even though it means different things. And they had some training seminars which were leaked in and they they were kind of explaining to the to the hunts, which had now become trail hunts, what to do to pretend that they were trail hunting.
00:28:33
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So it's all a smokescreen. And we know this. i've I've been out, I don't know, maybe 30 times doing hunt sabotage. And I think, no, and and I'm, ah I don't think, I'm i'm sure, I'm 100% sure I've never seen a trail hunt happen in those 30 times. even Even when there's like, I mean, yesterday,
00:28:51
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Or I should say yesterday from the day I was recording this, I i was out on what was allegedly a ladies day. So they were plenty of paying customers who I would say a lot of them are not regular riders with the hunt and they still blatantly hunted in front of hunt saboteurs and they're paying clientele.
00:29:11
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So trail hunting is just a smokescreen. So this footage, just you know more footage, more wood to the fire, I guess, of getting this ban strengthened. I really hope the government, when they strengthen the ban, they consult with actually saboteurs, because only hunt saboteurs will know what the supposedly trail hunters do to kind of get around the the prohibition the the banning. So this needs to be a consultation, which at no point should involve the British Hunt Sports Association or any representatives from the
Animal Rights Stories Teaser and Accessibility
00:29:45
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hunts themselves. It should only consult with members of the hunt saboteurs because they're the only ones that kind of know what's going on on the field. Very well said, Carlos. Although it is with a heavy heart, I'd say so often these ah various groups discussing the rights of various beings don't even invite the voices which would be of the most informed voices. It's not unusual. And the 2004 Hunting Act was notorious for having very little involvement from Hunt Sabs in its writing or barely any involvement from Hunt Sabs, which is why there were so many loopholes written in.
00:30:24
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These were, again, a feature, not an accident of the Hunting Act. Thank you, Carlos. Well, each week on this show, we ask each of our contributors to choose one story to speak about in a little bit more detail. So we've got one from Anthony, one from Julie, one from Carlos that going to come up to speaking about animals who have fur, animals who have antlers and animals who are being forced to wrestle. That's coming up after this. As well as producing these audio-based shows, our podcast hosts at Zencaster also provide the written transcript for each show. This is AI generated, so it might not always be 100% correct, but nonetheless we hope that this will increase the accessibility of our show.
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00:31:46
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All right, Julie, I believe that your story is a story about reindeer. I would like to know what the story is about, Julie, and why have you chosen this story as your story of the week?
00:31:59
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Well, I thought you might like to get two for the price of one. You could have pick of the week and you could have cry the week in one go. and I'm going to try and get through this story and a little critique of it without crying, but I'm not making any promises. So this was a story that got as far as the BBC news and BBC breakfast news on the television and online and in the papers. And it concerns a reindeer at one of these awful Christmas events. And this was informby in Formby in Merseyside in England in the UK.
00:32:42
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The reindeer is reputedly called Buddy. He probably wasn't called Buddy until he escaped from his enclosure. But it was a nice touch from his handler, I think, to make a nice little Christmas story because Buddy the reindeer, Buddy the blue-nosed reindeer is a, you know, a children's character that a lot of people are familiar with. So it made it seem even more enchanting that there was this little reindeer trotting about in Form Bay. And the BBC made light ah of it across the board.
00:33:18
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Absolutely. They interviewed a Coast Guard that tried to return this reindeer. Well, he was, in fact, and involved in the recapture. And it was all, you know, Buddy saved Christmas. And the person who is reputedly responsible for Buddy's so-called care said that at this event, Buddy had...
00:33:41
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and I quote, just become overexcited and had decided to stretch his legs. And then he added, I think he was just doing a trial run for Christmas Eve. So this is an animal on its own. In a town centre, it has been so panicked that it has jumped out of its enclosure and that's the kind of crap that people are coming out with. And even on the BBC Breakfast coverage, a at the very end of it, there was someone dressed as Santa waving in the background, you know, as if he was keeping an eye on Buddy for, you know... exploiting him for carrying his well pulling his sleigh or whatever so that was the fairy story that the BBC has given us all and that the people involved have even colluded with and in particular the person who is responsible for this animal's well-being I haven't seen, apart from on the Animal Aid's website, I haven't seen a critique of this incident at all. It's all been absolutely sugar-coated. But if you want a critique of it, then buckle up because here it is. This is the animal rights perspective of this event. So here's a little herd animal, a little prey animal, a little herd animal who is away from others of his kind and he's in a town centre. And he is so frightened that he has found the adrenaline that he has jumped away.
00:35:20
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fencing that is deemed to be too high for him to safely jump. So he has done that and he's made his way through the town and ended up on a beach. He does this escape in, and I quote, the early hours of the early afternoon. This animal is now on the loose and running scared until 1.20 in the morning. So he spent about 12 hours This is an animal who probably has a very confined life, who's probably never walked very far or even run in his life. He's probably kept in quite a small area and yet he has been on his feet for 12 hours and he is very likely not had any access to food or water in that time. When you see the video, it is absolutely heartbreaking because you see him going along the beach and he's very clearly limping. He probably hurt himself jumping out of the... There'll be like sheep hurdles. There'll be metal hurdles he'll have been kept in when he was at the display. He's probably hurt his leg jumping out of them because they were so high. So he's limping and at one point in the video he also stops and he sniffs a bit of a wee puddle on the beach but of course it's salt water so he can't drink it. So he must have been totally dehydrated and exhausted and terrified and in pain to be limping the way that he was. Another thing to say as well is reindeer are like cows and sheep and goats. they are They've got a four-part stomach. They are a four for stomach fermenters. So if they don't get a steady supply of long fibre into their gut... really bad stuff can happen that then means that they can die it just it doesn't bear thinking about it really doesn't when the other coverage showed buddy back where he lives i am skeptical about that actually being the same reindeer I am extremely sceptical about Buddy having survived that ordeal, to be quite honest with you. There's a thing that animals like sheep and deer and reindeer a suffer from called capture myopathy. And it's a stress-induced muscle disease and a metabolic disorder. And it happens when they've been, you know...
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putting in extreme exertion or they've been struggling or they've been restrained. It's what sheep die of when they've been so-called worried by dogs, even if they haven't been bitten or, you know, attacked by a dog. Sheep quite often die after they've been chased by dogs, maybe a day or two later. So I don't know if Buddy will survive. His gut was all to hell with not having food in it probably for 12 hours. And he's been running for that amount of time. And he's obviously been terrified.
00:38:36
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They did say in the coverage that he was going to be off duty now and wouldn't be used to any more dis displays for... you know, the time being or till next year or whatever it was. But I don't think, you know, if he's still alive, I don't think, you know, he will be by then, to be honest with you. So that's the reality of this. It's not a little fun. Oh, buddy saved Christmas because he got back to his friends and he's resting up now and eating. And, you know, he's all happy clappy. It's not like that.
00:39:11
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If a anything, it's a shame in a way. I mean, i obviously I wouldn't want any more harm. There's enough harm come to Buddy. But if he'd caused a bit more trouble for the human beings in his environment, maybe there would have been a different slant on this story. You know, if he had caused some kind of problem with the traffic or, you know, like the horses that got loose in London or whatever, that made some people think twice about using animals in Australia.
00:39:40
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I am unnatural situations this is a sort of tricky one for somebody like me it does galvanize me into action because it absolutely reinforces to me to me the importance of campaigning against reindeer and other live animals being used at public events as some kind of entertainment so it really does kind of bring it home and i know we talked about that in a recent episode but if you missed that or you want a reminder the animal aid website is a place where you can join in the campaign against having reindeer and other animals at christmas events and And in Scotland, there's also One Kind as the organisation as well. So please join in the campaign to save other reindeer, potentially going through what this wee one did.
Animal Exploitation in Events
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Thank you, Julie. We've spoken on so many shows about how animals... Don't communicate in the same way that humans communicate and how important it is to for us to speak up for the voiceless. so I'm really proud of being part of this ah podcast, really, really proud. And I think, Julie, you've done an ah absolutely excellent job sharing some truths about what it's like for animals like reindeer, for reindeer, to be exploited in this way. and Yeah, I'm really appreciative. Can I say a couple of things here? So i've I've just been looking at where this location is relative to the beach. And even if Buddy went the most direct way, they've still had to cross a railway line, possibly go through a small town, possibly go through a rifle range. I mean, goodness knows what this poor animal has been through. um and And looking at the organisation's website, I mean, they've not altered their website at all. So if you look at their sort of outdoor experience with Santa's reindeer, it's still saying pause and take a moment to meet Santa's real reindeer peacefully resting in their woodland paddock. um It's a magical, tranquil experience and all of this. So they they're completely blind to the, you know, how insensitive this is. And interestingly, if you scroll further down, included as ah an add-on to the experience... You can pay £6 extra for a virtual reality sleigh ride. Now, surely that is, you know, if you want to get in the Christmas spirit, if you want to enter into the fantasy of there being a man called Father Christmas who's pulled along by reindeer flying in the sky, like... do do it like that. but Surely it's not magical just seeing a reindeer or two just sat in a paddock because they're not going to be doing anything, are they? They're not going to be dancing around or or doing synchronised swimming or anything like that. They're just going be sat there. It's going to be miserable. If you've got the technology to offer virtual reality sleigh rides and and goodness knows what else, like there's a valid way of entertaining people's wish for fantasy and magic at Christmas. Well said, Anthony. Yeah. Very well
Fur Farming and Activism
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said. Well, that is a, ah you know, very heartfelt story. And as I said before, I'm really glad that we are offering an alternative angle to the, oh, isn't this a sweet, joyful story that is being put out by the BBC. i'm going to go to Carlos next and Carlos's story I do think maybe it might offer a little bit more positivity perhaps Carlos's story is to do with the fur industry and especially concerning Polish animal protection so Carlos could you please tell us a bit more about your story and why you have chosen this Yeah, because this is something which people try to ignore still exists in Europe. And this is fur farming. i mean i I mean, I guess by ah consumers in the UK, at least, buy fur products. And i don't know if it crosses their their mind how the fur is produced. I bet it crosses their mind as much as as ah it crosses their mind how meat is produced.
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But ah there's there's been quite a fall in popularity of fur garments um over the past years across all of Europe, gladly. And at the moment, there's there's only a few European countries that still operate fur farms. The main ones are Finland, Greece, Spain and Hungary. Poland used to be the largest producer of fur in Europe.
00:44:27
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And, um you know, why say the large physicians are fur, the largest exploiter of animals and killer of animals for procuring fur to make garments, even though artificial fabrics are just as good at at at blocking the cold and preserving heat. But anyway, the president of Poland has signed a law this month ah in December 2025 to prohibit prohibit commercial fur breeding.
00:44:52
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And it's going to take a while. Existing farms have eight years to cease production, but at least they will cease production. None of these changes usually happen quickly when it's for the animals. Anyway, this is a bit of good news. that's why I picked it. This fur ban comes as as a result of relentless campaigning.
00:45:13
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So I'm sure you any interested listener can kind of do their research on this, but it just goes to show that, you know, campaigning does work. You need to kind of attack your target from us ah multiple angles. You know, you go for the consumers and convince them not to buy fur, go for the government and and kind of try to get them to ban it on various reasons. Although it it kind of sucks that this eight year transition is so long, ultimately, it is a ban. What I find also interesting is that the government, the reasons they said they quoted for banning this was that fur was seen as unacceptable ah cruelty.
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but you know it still allows this industry to go on for eight years. So if it's unacceptable, surely they should kind of ban it immediately. But I guess I'll take it. We can't forget, though, that until we have a vegan world, we're going to be aware that all these changes can be reverted, just in the same way that fur farming was banned in Poland.
00:46:11
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Eight years, government will change, might change, and they might revert this ban. So just because we've achieved a victory, we we can we can't stop campaigning, stop being aware of kind of public sentiment or political sentiment kind of changing and kind of trying
Controversial Animal Events
00:46:28
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to fight it. Very, very well said, Carlos. Got to keep our foot on the pedal, definitely. Okay, Anthony. So I think I've certainly been aware of horrendous use of animals in sports, such as bullfighting, so popular in Spain, or, you know, dogfighting has been a thing in the the UK. But um this story, this is something that I've not heard of before. I believe this is a story about pig wrestling. So, Anthony, what is this story and why have you chosen this for your story of the week? Well, it it has interesting similarities with Carlos's story. in that when canvassed the the local folk in a nearby town to Teton County, or tetan county the country fair in question, two-thirds of respondents said, no, this is not okay, this is animal cruelty, which is the same proportion of Polish people who say that they're against fur farming. However, in Poland, they've said, well, we're going outlaw this when we're not going to have fur farming anymore. Whereas in Wyoming, the Teton County Fair Board are still going on with this, quote, sport or this this event. There's been a six-year hiatus on this. Basically, COVID happened and then the person who was wheeling and dealing involved in the pigs that were being put up to be, quote, wrestled. i'll I'll explain a bit more about what that is in a moment. But he ah sold his pigs and and stopped stopped doing this anymore. and So there was a hiatus. But presumably, some people have said, oh, whatever happened to that pig wrestling? That was good, harmless fun, as 33% of the local folks seem to think as well. Let's bring it back. So it is coming back. Basically, the object is you put ah a pig, an unwilling pig, obviously, what pig is going to consent to this, in a small, fenced-off, muddy arena, I suppose, at the equivalent of ah ah an agricultural fair, as we'd call it in the UK, or a county fair, as they're calling it, stateside. And the object is for the competitors to get the pig into ah a
00:48:44
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a container, I suppose. And this article is all full of euphemisms and sort of ways of making it seem like, oh, no, it is harmless. So you're not allowed to put the pig in headfirst.
00:48:55
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Oh, well, that's okay, then. That's okay, as long as you're not putting in headfirst. There's all sorts of other measures that they've brought in, some some of which have been brought in for next summer's events, because this legislate, well, It's not a bit of legislation, it's ah just a local decision, I suppose. This is affecting next summer's potential event. So some things have been brought in, especially this year, such as women and children may participate, but not men.
00:49:27
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We'll come back to that in a moment. And also participants needs to carry out a and a program making them aware of of animal well-being, which I'm assuming is going to be like the equivalent of like a 10 minute online program. food hygiene course or or the kind of thing that your workplace says, ah yeah, I'm afraid everyone's got to do this course. it's It's like three minutes long. You just keep clicking the boxes and then and then you get a certificate at the end. I can't imagine that it's going to be anything more than that because if it was actually focusing on animal welfare and animal well-being, it It would also be saying, don't make a pig wrestle in the mud. and and that The pig's not wrestling. The pig's just trying to get away. i i have to say, I did watch videos on this online because I wanted to look at what what does it look like. and And the pig's just trying to get away. It's squealing. It's not happy. It's not consensual. Of course it's not. I don't need to tell you listeners that. I'm really concerned for the the mental and psychological well-being
00:50:29
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of the 33% of people with this survey is representative that think it is harmless. I mean, that that if you've ever seen it you you will see that the pig's trying to get away. It's squealing. It's it's not happy. No, it's not being gored like ah like a bull would in a bullfight. it's It's not being whipped like ah a horse in ah in a horse race, but it it clearly doesn't want to be doing it. This whole thing about...
00:50:58
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men being too violent to do it. So so if if it's just women or children doing it, I think speaks to the intellect and the kind of reasoning capacity of the people making this decision. Because obviously, you could have a very aggressive woman doing this. And obviously, you could have, ah um I mean,
00:51:23
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It's non-consensual. But let's let's imagine it's it's wrestling a person and there's one person trying to get away and there's five people trying to wrestle them. Obviously, you could have men doing that in a quite gentle, consensual, non-harmful way. So that's obviously a load of nonsense. I'll finish my rant and see if anyone else has anything else to say, but not before saying that um we've...
00:51:47
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had five and a half thousand downloads of our podcast in the usa since we started not one from wyoming where this particular event is taking place and um i i'm not somebody that likes to generalize but i find that interesting and i have also looked at what other lovely things you can do in wyoming and And it looks like a lovely place. And there's far better things to be doing than dragging non-consenting pigs and wrestling them. just Just put a person in there. If you want to watch people scrabble about in the mud, get get a person in there and try and get the person in the box, you know?
00:52:28
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stupid. He's stupid. and And I am somebody who my profession, I work a great deal with children. i feel really positively about saying, you know the wonderful potential in, you know, young people. However,
00:52:45
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you know, if you say to a child, oh, this is absolutely fine, this, there's no animal welfare worries, it's fine. I would argue, as someone who works a lot with children, you know, this idea, of men are the strong ones. Well, you know, children, absolutely, you know, I would argue that, you know, many adults have a different sort of framework than children, who who I think could be even more powerful than an adult in certain excited adrenaline-fuelled situations. it it it It does speak of the you know ridiculous nature of the whole thing, an awful thing. and awful i will say as well, having researched this quite extensively, there are states in the US where this is illegal.
00:53:33
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There is there is ah a subsection that I've looked at in ah in a Minnesota statute that talks about greased pig contests and turkey scrambles. I have to say, I didn't look up what a turkey scramble was. But there are states where people are recognising that this is not okay. And the only silver lining I can take from this is if you've got, you know, this survey of 800 people where two thirds of them are saying this is not okay, and you've got other states in the country saying this is illegal,
00:54:02
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I'm wondering whether the resurgence of this event in Wyoming might lead to a bit of backlash and maybe next year or maybe even before next year's events, it it might become illegal in Wyoming too.
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00:54:16
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Let's hope so. Let's hope so, Anthony. Let's hope so. Well, everyone, ah these have been our views on the story, but...
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com So just before rounding off the show, we're going to return to the animal rights activist Zoe Rosenberg, who we spoke of earlier on. And the sad thing is that she has been found guilty. The judge who has given the verdict is ah sentencing her to 90 days in jail, the first 30 days certainly in jail, then she will become eligible for jail alternatives for the final 60 days. Rosenberg has been
00:55:56
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very powerful in her talk afterwards saying that she's filled with remorse for every animal she failed to save her friends and her family and the organization direction action everywhere been saying how she should not serve any jail time at all that she is quote a uniquely compassionate person the judge however is saying that she chose criminality and ah she will serve this consequent whether she approves of it or not. The Petaluma Poultry Organization have released a statement They have said this affirms a basic truth. When you break the law, you will be held responsible. So a really sad situation. ah
00:56:51
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Anthony, you ah bring us together for all these news stories that you have you have found. it's It's hard to not have a very heavy heart reading this.
00:57:02
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Well, ah I'll contradict you and then contradict myself because as I was reading this, I've normally got the opinion that I know Carlos and others have voiced on this show before saying if animal activists are in jail, they can't be doing activism for animals. So so that is ah a bad thing for the animals as well as themselves. And I read this and I saw, oh, 30 days. Goodness, I thought it was going to be four and a half years. In a sense, maybe that draws more attention to it and...
00:57:33
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No one wants to be spending time in jail, I know, but if it's just a month and and she's not too traumatised by it, maybe it can have ah a galvanising effect. So initially, Dominic, i'm I'm contradicting you, that the reason that I then have a different ultimate opinion, for now anyway, as you read further down, and the court, as well as imposing this jail time, have imposed $102,000 in restitution, i e the amount of money
00:58:08
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that is owed or is has been ah documented as being lost by the company that, quote, owned these chickens, um which Zoe is going to contest, the article says, but that's that's going to hang over things massively. I mean, what what were these chickens made of? That it's a over $100,000? I know. i would love to see a breakdown of those costs. It's madness.
00:58:35
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Absolutely. Yeah, they should have to provide that. A detailed breakdown of those costs. Evidence, please. Well, I mean, they have. It says it says they've documented it it's and It's not available in this news article. But how they've reached that figure. Yeah, just as a total as a total, I would like a breakdown of that and and the evidence behind that actually being their losses. I'd be interested to know what everyone else thinks about like potentially that quite small sentence being a, like having a galvanizing effect or am I being too, um am I overlooking the psychological impact of being in jail?
00:59:14
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No, that's a great result. Zoe Rosenberg is no stranger to being arrested and dealing with the law. She knew exactly what she was doing and she is a sort of, you know, a public figure in a sense and she has put herself out there absolutely in the knowledge that it was extremely likely that that she would be caught and charged and she would have the opportunity to highlight what is going on behind closed doors in these places so um I think in a way that was a good result she was clearly prepared to take the risk that she would get a bigger sentence and I'm really really pleased for her that it was one that was as short as it is
01:00:02
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I'm going to say an absolutely ridiculous thing now because of course the world does not run in the way in which I was, I'm going to put forward. But you know, i think people like Zoe are the people who would be good to be the faces of things like Veganuary rather than someone who's mostly known for doing a telly show or being quite good at sport or singing a few songs, you know. But we live in a world where
01:00:38
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campaigning is vilified where the status quo is celebrated and I mentioned earlier on in the show that I do a lot of work with children and I go into schools and I'm always interested in how things like the suffragette movement is taught if something's in the past then campaigners are celebrated look how these people changed the world for the better And yet why is there no recognition that maybe there might just possibly be a few things unfair in our world and that today's campaigners would be well celebrated? You know, we would do well to celebrate them in the way like we celebrate historical figures. If we're talking about racism, if we're about gay rights, it's too easy to look at the past and go, oh, these people do good. Well, you know, what about what Zoe's doing now?
01:01:32
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Get her on the front of Veganuary. Like, look at this person. I'm making a massive presumption that Zoe's vegan. I don't know whether she is or not. But you I think you get my point. I think you get my point. She's done something that has benefited animals more than singing a few love songs that did well in the show. Yeah, and of course Joe Public can... be very supportive of the people who did away with slavery or you know the suffragettes and all the rest of it because nobody's trying to take away their bacon rolls doing that you know when it's in the past that's the thing nobody's impinging on their lifestyle any um so of course they can go oh yeah i'm so right on oh yeah really yeah yeah And if you ever do have like TV shows made in the current age where somebody is saying, oh, but I like having my slaves because this is the world in which I've been brought up and I'm used to it. My life's going be really difficult. Then that character is it. And I'm not defending anybody who would like want an oppressive system. But there's very rarely any shades of grey. It's all vilifications. Look at this bad person. Let's hope that. for a world in the future where our time now is shown in TV shows or whatever they're watching in the year XZQ, where, you know, the whole concept of being an animal abuser on a on ah on the on the level of, you know, using your money to buy animal products is seen with the same level of ridiculousness that we currently do for stuff in the past. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're talking about films and and things like that, Dominic, like the the quote from Petaluma Poultry, it affirms a basic truth. When you break the law, you'll be held responsible. It's like that's clearly the cartoon baddie. That's clearly the person justifying slave ownership and and all sorts of things that were legal once. And it's it's such a, what I mean, basic truth is exactly right, isn't it? It's such a one dimensional,
01:03:42
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way of looking at a situation. that're They're painting themselves out to be the the villains that they are in this piece, really. Very much so, very much. Well, listeners, thank you all so very, very much for listening to us, for chatting away about stuff that gets us all hot under the collar We really hope that you've enjoyed listening to the show, that you've got something from it. And if you have, we would love it if you could please do us one very small favour.
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Thank you everyone for listening. It's always just lovely for us to know as we're podcasting away here that we're not the only people in the world who care about animals and animal rights.
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Yeah, it's just lovely late to know that you're out there and that we can talk to you and of course that you can and correspond back with us as well. The next Enough of the Falafel episode will be coming out on Thursday, the 11th of December, and will be a vegan talk show, this time without me, but it'll be good anyway. Mark, Shane, and Anthony, which who will be reviewing the vegan zombie film A44, or is that A44? I don't know. They they will tell you all about it on the 11th of December. Indeed, indeed. The film featuring Dr Michael Greger amongst others, but he's not talking about health for once, Caesar. Well, I won't spoil it. You've got just enough time to watch it if you would like to ah watch it before we spoil it. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Dominic. Thank you, Julie, for putting the time in preparing. and recording today's show for everybody. Thanks everyone for listening. As Julie said, we wouldn't do it without you. I've been Anthony, and you've been listening to Vegan Week from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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