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227- What might a 2025 vegan Christmas look like?
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There are dozens of new seasonal plant based goodies to sample this year...but how will Dominic, Kate & Anthony be spending their money & time during the holiday season this year? In this episode, the trio discuss plant-based turkey, cooking from scratch, supporting small vegan ventures & when might be a good time to advocate for animals this season.
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
Mentioned during this episode are:
https://flapjackpress.co.uk/products/dominic-berry
https://www.earthislandbooks.com/our-books-more-info (look for The Humanity Trigger for Mark's book)
https://veganlandmovement.com/join-us/
https://www.goodheartanimalsanctuaries.com/
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Transcript
Introduction and Holiday Season Kickoff
00:00:00
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Hello, hello, hello everybody! December is almost upon us. No, no, no, it will be upon us when this comes out, sorry. Okay, here we go, here we go, let's start again, let's go again.
00:00:13
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Hello, hello, hello everybody! December is upon us! And for many of us, that is the holiday season.
Vegan Stereotypes and Misconceptions
00:00:22
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But how are Kate and Anthony feeling about this year's plant-based and vegan new products and opportunities?
00:00:32
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My name is Dominic and I'm thrilled that Anthony and Kate are with us here for Vegan Talk. So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble.
00:00:44
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That's not what butter's used for. Protein. Take your flab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and
Timeless Vegan Topics and New Products Discussion
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what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:01:00
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Hang on a minute. You always pick.
00:01:08
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social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all right alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:23
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No I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. and Hello everybody, all our lovely listeners. It's Kate with you here. Welcome to our episode of Vegan Talk.
00:01:35
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Thank you for tuning in. Hello you everyone. Hello everyone? No, no, no. It's Christmas. We can't be saying things like that. Hello. Hello everybody. My name is Anthony.
00:01:47
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oh English is my first language. I do promise you. um Thank you. for coming along to this episode of Vegan Talk. This might be your first episode of Vegan Talk.
00:01:58
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If it's not, I'm sorry, because I know we say this every time. But what we do on Vegan Talk is we pick one topic, we go into it in a bit more detail. And it's it's kind of irrelevant of what's going on in the vegan world at the time. So the idea is it doesn't go out of date, which means that the previous 100 or so other episodes of Vegan Talk, they're the ones with the yellow background and the black text in your podcast feed.
00:02:23
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They're all available for you now, so do go back and listen to them. They're stretching back all the way back into September 2023, so there's a lot of them for you to access.
00:02:34
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There. Indeed there are. So I am Dominic and we're all about the holiday season on this episode. So I happen to be somebody who celebrates Christmas.
00:02:47
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I know our US listeners have had Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, But really, we don't need an excuse to celebrate, do we? We don't need an excuse to crack open some fancy vegan food.
00:03:00
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So we're going to be talking about what is new for the end of 2025. We have been looking predominantly at UK supermarkets, actually. There's a lot of new products that weren't out there before.
00:03:17
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So I'm going to... um' going to ask Ant because Ant is our resident researcher on enough of the falafel. What should we start by ah discussing, Anthony?
00:03:29
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Well I'm very dedicated to research as you know Dominic and it is for that reason and that reason only that I spent about £4.50 of my money at Welshpool Tesco ah few weeks ago um and bought their plant chef no turkey crown with sage and onion stuffing. It said it is it serves four people. It served me and my wife, and that was that was fine. And so you can take that take from that what you want in terms of our appetite and glutton. It said four people, but the two of you ate it all in one go.
00:04:04
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Yeah, absolutely.
Vegan Christmases and Traditions
00:04:05
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Yeah, there was a little bit that was left over that we had the the following day and a bit of a stir fry. But yeah, it was, it's it's it's like anything, Dominic, like each year, we see new things come out. And I would say that I'm just always excited by the list, you know, and never get round to trying all of it that I think probably probably when I first went vegan at the end of 2010,
00:04:29
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you could You could try every vegan product in the supermarket within a two-month period because there was barely anything that was a... We're talking about alternatives here, obviously. Grains, nuts, seeds, vegetables ah have always been around. But these specific ones that are trying to create something I don't know if either of you ever had a tofurkey crown.
00:04:50
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That was ah exciting. The first time I saw out a whole tofurkey turkey. But yeah, it's just exciting to see the list. And um I tried this one. It was all right. I wasn't disappointed that I bought it. I won't be buying another one.
00:05:03
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Let's put it that way. But I've done lots lots of other researchy bits. And my top tip for the listeners in the UK who like a mince pie is go to Lidl because their mince pies, by default,
00:05:16
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seem to be vegan from what I can see. It does have a vegan label on it. When I say seem to be, I'm sure there'll be mince pies that they sell in their shops that aren't vegan, but it seemed to me that their standard ones were labeled as vegan, were affordable, and were very delicious. So they're my top two tips.
00:05:33
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um The Turkey Crown, yeah, from Tesco. Yeah, fine. If that's what you're after, then it probably won't disappoint too much. But mince pies from Lidl this year are my go-to.
00:05:45
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Do you know what? I've never tried to create a ah roast, as in like the main bit of the roast dinner from scratch. Now, when I was a little lad, my mum and I used to go to my grandmother's every Christmas. And my grandmother was inspired by how my mum and me had given up meat. And she did as well. It was excellent that we all made this choice and she would make a yeah vegan nut roast from scratch using breadcrumbs and I think it might have been cashews, I think was the... But i mean, we're going back some time. I will confess that now...
00:06:28
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you know, my grandmother's not with us anymore. And it tends to be just my mum and me. And my mum is one of these people. And if she was here, she would say this was the case. I'm not bad mouthing her when she's not here to defend herself. She's not like you in the kitchen. You know, that is not an option. That is not an option. So in my research for this show, was like, what is it that we have? Because it's basically whatever mum gets me. And I thought it was...
00:06:56
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It was the Redwood Celebration Roast, but apparently that doesn't exist anymore. Does anyone remember that one, the Redwood one? I remember the company. I couldn't put a memory to that specific one.
00:07:11
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I guess it shows how when we smother things with gravy and cranberry sauce, that maybe the taste test isn't as unique an experience per dish as I would think it was, because I haven't even noticed that the roast has changed.
00:07:31
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And I don't believe the Redwood Celebration Roast exists anymore. And that's what I thought I was having. So, yeah, that's how my Christmas has changed. It's gone from, you know, homemade stuff to my mum and me.
00:07:43
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we We do tend to, you know, well, as I say, it's my mum who chooses. What about you, Kate? What does, are you somebody, do you do you have a big Christmas meal? Is that something that you choose to do?
00:07:54
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ah do cook from scratch, usually. appreciate it. But it has ranged from like planning and, you know, oh, I think I'll make this and then I'll make that to actually walking downstairs on Christmas morning thing with a house full of people thing.
00:08:11
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What the hell are we going to have for Christmas dinner?
00:08:15
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my God, there's a pumpkin. You're getting stuffed. Yes. So, yeah. many people are you cooking for, Kate? Oh, you know, my kids, girlfriends, boyfriends, what have you, mother half, yeah, the dog,
00:08:30
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and yeah anyone who walks through the door, yeah, will get fed. But, yeah, that there was a bit of me that's like, Mrs. Screwed, bloody corrupt companies selling us all this stuff, you know, initially. Because yeah, I mean, like you, I grew up with my mum and my grandma, you know, all kind of competing over who had the best Christmas pudding recipe, which my nan used to make like a year before.
00:09:00
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you you know and then And I'd spend like ah an entire evening with my sister, my mum, all diligently chopping all these flipping nuts and fruits and everything. And then, you know, but you'd have the thing where you stir the pudding, you close your eyes, you make a wish. There was all this sort of big thing about it, which I think, in a sense, is a shame because I think we miss out on some of that now by having Christmas just provided in a box in a plastic bag. there you go happy Christmas, you know, now get on with it.
00:09:33
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But on the other hand, I don't know, seeing that absolutely, there's so much on offer now, it's absolutely incredible.
00:09:43
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And the thing is, Kate, the times have changed and so many people are working really long hours in really long jobs i mean it was the norm not that many years ago where you get a sizable length of time over christmas in most jobs and that is not the case now so i think that i absolutely love cooking from scratch but when i do it's very time dependent so yeah it's uh different people have different resources available to them don't they Completely, completely, completely. And and and actually, the variety
Vegan Advocacy During Holidays
00:10:21
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that they've come out with this year is just incredible. And, you know, it's like it's not like you even just have to go, oh, we've got to get to Sainsbury's because they do ah whatever it is.
00:10:32
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No, they're all doing, you know, the various like, you know, of you thing, whether it's a a nut roasty thing or else it's like a ah turkey type thing.
00:10:45
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I mean, just incredible. i think like what's what really stands out is that variety. I mean, the last few years, I've not done what I've done in researching for today's show and and and pulled up a list. So it's it's just been sort of anecdotal. oh I saw a thing there. I saw a thing there.
00:11:02
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But what's what's brilliant is and and and, you know, I will be visiting family members who they're not vegan households they're very supportive of me and alex my wife being vegan but they are not familiar with vegan cooking and the thought of doing so from scratch would be too much for them especially if it's you know just a just an evening that we're visiting for or or what have you when there's lots of other things to consider and let's go back five years or 10 years where there were some products available, but maybe you'd need to go to one of the Whole Foods supermarkets or you know of a specific aisle of a specific waitrose or what have you.
00:11:45
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That's then asking too much. Like you say, Dominic, people have got time constraints at that time of year as well. to To say to my sort of auntie-in-law, oh, can you drive 30 minutes to Waitrose and get this thing on the off chance that we turn up?
00:11:57
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That's not okay too. we But we we visited and them a couple of days ago as we record this and in November, spoiler alert listeners. and And she provided so many different vegan options. Basically, the whole snack board that was on this table whilst we played some cards was vegan with ah literally a couple of exceptions. She'd not had to consult us.
00:12:20
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She'd not had to check anything because the supermarkets had provided it. It said vegan clearly. It was delicious. Everyone was tucking into it. like absolutely fantastic. And like you, Kate, that my food highlights of this time of year will be those that I, or someone else, but...
00:12:39
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me because I like doing it myself we will have cooked from scratch or you you know Alex's Christmas cake that she made those will be the food highlights but to enable community coming together having some grab off the shelf things that are clearly labeled as vegan it's a real game changer in terms of how easy it is for people to live this lifestyle which ultimately benefits animals doesn't it they're the they're the people who stand to win and lose like we we might get upset at a relative being a bit of a knob making ah you know an ill-advised comment, but our suffering is nothing compared to the animals who are exploited. So the ease with which we can live as vegans at this time of year relative to 10 years ago is is huge. Our suffering is nothing compared to the animals, although I do wonder amongst our listeners how many people have supportive folks with whom they might choose to have a big experience and how many people might have a smaller or indeed
00:13:42
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solo experience. I know, of course, not everybody celebrates this time of year, so i don't want to presume that folks do. I do. And when we were in the coronavirus lockdown, remember that, everyone? Remember that was trending? I had Christmas Day on my own.
00:14:01
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And I thought, do I want to go to the effort of making a big dinner just for me. Well, anyone who spent more than two minutes in my company will know, yes, Dominic will always choose a large amount of food.
00:14:18
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And actually, it was quite an emotional thing for me, even though my Christmases have just been mum and me, to... just be on my own. I, that's a huge difference. And I, I just went out to the supermarket and I wish I could remember, Ant, I wish I could remember the brand that I chose, but it was a really good staple of the day. It's something that I really enjoyed and, you know, doing the video calls, but that did remove, I had friends invite me over.
00:14:44
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So we're going back like what? what was this, four years ago, maybe five years ago, four or five. And I chose not to largely because I didn't trust them to get the vegan thing right.
00:14:58
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And I also, I was a bit emotional about not seeing my mum. And I thought, having those emotions, the last thing I want is that vegan conversation. Are you not eating the turkey? I thought, oh, I don't have the energy to have that and i had a lovely time on my own little video call that i didn't have any unpleasant meat smells that I didn't want to be selling you know it was it was grand you mentioned the conversations Dominic and i'm I'm just wondering whilst you're having the conversation what the opinion that you two have on advocating on behalf of animals at a festive time of year
00:15:40
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is because, well, I mean, so sometimes it it might burst out of us um or we might have it forced upon us but by others or it might seem like there's an opportune moment. A couple of years ago, it was the um the new Chicken Run film was coming out and I was thinking, oh, if we can get everyone to watch this, that could be really good, actually. You know, like what are our thoughts? What's everyone's window of tolerance for that sort of thing?
00:16:08
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Most people do not take kindly to the ah vegan conversation while they actually eat their dinner, do they? Let's face it. You say that, but then it gets brought up.
00:16:19
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That's my rule. I won't bring it up at a mealtime. I absolutely will not bring up veganism at mealtime. do you know what i do and do you know what i do is i make it clear that they've brought it up in a courteous way i'll go oh you know thank you for saying that i'm gonna choose to not talk about it while we're eating because i know that my reaction to your question it's not something that anyone wants here now i am happy to talk about it when we finished eating No one likes it. That's so clever.
00:16:52
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That's so clever though, Dominic, because that is like banning a book or saying that something is a secret. It makes it more alluring, doesn't it? People then are going be like, oh, oh, I really want to have this conversation because we've been not allowed to have it now.
00:17:07
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So the first opportunity I'm going to, oh, that's really clever. does Does everyone in your house, Kate, sort of know not to bring it up or it's it's not a discussion? or or They're all vegan, Anthony. Really? I hate to brag.
00:17:22
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It's girlfriends, boyfriends. I mean, this is my presumption on the age in which we live. That all sounded quite impermanent to me. I mean, people don't always remain with the same partner.
00:17:35
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I certainly haven't. So when you said girlfriend, boyfriend, I thought, oh, I could just imagine. it Oh, here's is the new, here's the new like fella, my lad, who's gone. Oh, I brought me own pork sausages. Can you bung these in the oven? We have had non-vegan girlfriend boyfriends, but they've always been respectful, thankfully. So, and now people have changed.
00:17:59
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So, you know, I'm very lucky in that way, really. But they do have to listen to me blathering on otherwise, like ad nauseam. I just like bore people into veganism, I think, really. they And actually showcasing lovely, up your your beautiful food, making it look good, making them people think, wow, actually, ah that looks just as good, if not better than the dead corpse in the middle of my place.
00:18:26
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Yeah. You know, all those things, you know, we can like share photos and stuff with with people, can't we? and And recipes and just get generally get excited about it all beforehand. So, you know, people find
Living with Non-Vegans and Pricing of Vegan Options
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that intriguing.
00:18:41
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I did also want to say, though, have you noticed that some of the food in the shops is actually the same price as the meat version of the Christmas thing?
00:18:54
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if not cheaper. And I think that in itself is such a good argument for people that are perhaps finding things a bit more, you know, harder to afford.
00:19:06
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Actually, the vegan version is going to taste just as good. And it is cheaper. So I think that's quite a brilliant thing that's happened this year. Yeah, for sure. And and that I mean, that's not always going to be the case, but im i'm I'm yeah, you're absolutely right. There are many cases where it is, is the case. And and and actually, like something that we can do as as vegans and advocates for ah a vegan lifestyle is if we know that a relative is is going to be buying something in for us, is pointing us toward pointing them towards the
00:19:42
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the ones that are less pricey in that the the aforementioned auntie-in-law who very brilliantly catered for us a couple of nights ago. One thing she did say was, oh, it's a bit pricey though, isn't it? And, and you know, she'd, bless her, she'd bought a couple of things from like the free from section where, yeah, a bar of chocolate is lots more, but actually there are there're a price comparable vegan friendly bits of chocolate.
00:20:08
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elsewhere in the shop, but you need to know where to get them from. So there's little things that we can do to help, aren aren't there? I made a change in my lifestyle this year, which was forced upon me. And I'm sure there'll be loads of listeners in a similar situation. I moved in with someone who eats meat.
00:20:26
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I have not lived in a house where there has been meat around since I was 10 years old and I'm coming up for 46 now. So it's been a long time.
00:20:37
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with only out of the home experiences being that. And I made a choice because, you know, where I was renting, it came to an end and I had to move it with someone and I've got a good friend of mine, but he is a friend who eats meat.
00:20:52
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And I've been here since April and he doesn't look like he's quitting meat anytime soon. And that's a constant negotiation of me trying to be positive safe and cooking vegan dishes. He's really respectful. You know, we've got separate cupboards, separate ah ah shelves in the fridge.
00:21:11
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I bet we've got plenty of listeners who do not have a set up as courteous as my meat eating housemate is to me. And loads of people be thinking, oh, if only, if only I had that, because we all share the planet, don't we? We all share our lives with people whose stances are different to us. And it is a constant, hard thing.
00:21:34
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choice over how strict with our views we are. When are we lacking integrity by not saying what we seem? Although when are we just sort of pushing people away by them thinking that we're potentially too militant?
00:21:50
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I do think the path of joy is a good one. So I share joyful food and I cook for him. And good on him that he has cooked vegan food for me. He has cooked vegan food for me, which has been really tasty as well. And he's enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it.
00:22:09
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So at least, I know this is a controversial topic talking about meat reduction. I know that's not the vegan stance. You know, we don't just want meat reduction. That's not enough.
00:22:19
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ah I'm glad that there's less meat in this house than there was before I moved in. I think a really important thing there is is that one can be tempted to make cyclical times of the year, like Christmas, like Thanksgiving, like New Year or whatever, like our birthday, like a crucible or an example of what life is like. So so however things are on Christmas Day,
00:22:45
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That is a statement of how things are the rest of the year. and and And actually,
Veganism Advocacy Through Positivity
00:22:50
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it could be that on Christmas Day or New Year's Eve or whatever day is special to you, actually, someone is really disrespectful to you about your vegan lifestyle or you don't eat the best food or what have you. But that doesn't have to be symbolic of how the other 364 days of the year are. And Kate, I completely agreed with you.
00:23:11
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If you're catering for people, what a brilliant opportunity to showcase vegan food at its finest. And also, if you burn the potatoes or you just buy loads of stuff in and it's not particularly adventurous, that's fine. That that doesn't mean you're a bad vegan advocate. I know that's not what you were saying, Kate, but like we can be kind to ourselves in terms of like the the stories we tell ourselves with regards to the state of our life.
00:23:36
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how we are as vegans and and things like that. Like it's, if it feels too much, you're allowed to just get through it. And like the rest of the year can be when you shine or when your vegan lifestyle is at its finest.
00:23:50
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The fear of telling our listeners how to be, I would take the path of joy further that I think that if people see us being joyful about our choices, that is such a good advert for vegan. It could be at times like Thanksgiving or Christmas or New Year that we do interact with people who we're not having shared time with at other occasions. So it is an opportunity, and I doubt any of our listeners take this stance anyway, but being
00:24:23
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a bit like, oh no, well, I can't have that. I mean, I don't believe any vegan speaks that way, but we could be perceived as being a little bit sacrificing. know, some people say to me, well, I do admire your sacrifice. And I correct that language. I'm like, but I'm not sacrificing anything. and would you Would you like to try eating some of these? I don't feel any sacrifice. I feel joy.
00:24:47
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And I think that that is advocacy. That is activism. It's small and it's simple and it's happy and it is great. And if you want to buy the stuff as well, I'd be joyful.
00:25:02
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Actually, harping on about some of this food that's on offer, some of it's flipping brilliant looking, you know, really beautiful. And it's not like the sad vegan option. It's not like you know, the the boring like lentil roast.
00:25:18
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Not that lentil roast is boring. I love lentil roast. But honestly, it's, you know, and adventurous and fun, some of it. So, you know, looks delicious. And we've seen that lovely big snowflake chocolate talk thing that M&S are doing and stuff.
00:25:35
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I mean, they've all got some some good looking stuff there. So, yeah, even if you want to, even if you don't cook, can't cook, don't want to cook, ah it's fine as well. So, and and, you know, and perhaps buy some stuff from the shops. It's great.
00:25:51
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Although, having said ah i think also, to support some of the non supermarket own food as well, you know, but you know, some of the vegan companies, we want to keep them going. We don't want the supermarkets, like taking the whole market share this year, then next year, taking it all back after they've put all our vegan businesses out.
00:26:14
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They want that either. Well, we did a ah great show last year. I can't remember the exact episode number, but if you look back to December 2024, you'll find it where we give some suggestions for festive gifts that people could buy that are exactly that, not the mainstream, that might be supporting independent producers or or self-employed people creating things. so I wonder if we could finish off here by ah by putting forward some ideas along those lines.
00:26:43
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Kate, we had a show a while back where you were talking about the vegan land movement. The listeners today may not have heard your impassioned speech about them. You certainly inspired me when you were talking about it. For those who don't know, what is the vegan land movement?
00:26:59
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Yes, so they are an amazing group of people who crowdfund money and they
Vegan Land Movement and Gift Ideas
00:27:10
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sneakily go along to auctions where land is being sold and they make a bid, quite often win, buy back a piece of land that has been historically used for often dairy farming or some um or other form of livestock farming.
00:27:30
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They take it out of the system and they rewild it. And then we know that the number one cause of biodiversity loss and extinction is the livestock animal agriculture business. we need We need to take as much land out as possible.
00:27:51
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So yeah, they are ah truly wonderful group of people. It's a great idea for a Christmas present to get something that's an investment in something. I went through a phase of dating guy for many years and we'd been together for so long. We didn't want any material stuff each and we we started doing that for each other. So I got... ah an ah orangutan support package for him where he got like a nice, you know, newsletter. And, you know, what you received was quite minimal, which is a good thing. You wanted the money to be supporting the cause, but it felt a really lovely thing to just, ah you know, have have the certificate, you know, and and be part of something like that.
00:28:36
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If you want something more tangible, Dominic Berry is a Poet, why not buy some poetry books? we So you know what, Dominic? I've been teeing myself up to say that exact thing.
00:28:49
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I was going to say, Dominic, and I'm sorry, I've interrupted you here, but I'm going to... I always like people interrupting to talk about my books. It would have felt far more modest, wouldn't if I'd have just waited for you to...
00:29:00
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Tell me about my poetry books ad. What are they all about? I'm currently on flapjackpress.co.uk where you can buy a selection of Dominic's books. And I will say Dominic and Mark have both appear on this show for no fee.
00:29:18
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They've spent hours and hours giving wonderful content to our wonderful listeners and they have... also put lots of time into producing their work that you can you can give them some money in recognition of and then you get a brilliant book of poetry or a brilliant book of animal rights history from Ireland from the last 200 years you know so those things are a real just nice little way of they don't take too many pennies out of your own bank account but they they make a big difference to other people When I write for younger folks, I use the name Domi B and there's a Domi B book by Flapjack Press called When Trolls Try to Eat Your Goldfish.
00:29:54
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And of all my books, I'd say that's the most vegan tale. I'm really proud of it It's got a big, bright yellow cover and it's a story that ah me and a group called Action Transport Theatre put together. And I'm so very, very proud of it. That's good for all the family.
00:30:13
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uh, for my poetry for adults, it does contain you all the swear words, all of them, every single one. Um, poems are, I'm coming out as vegan and myth of protein where you hear me say protein at the start.
00:30:26
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That's in my, uh, uh, how can I be now selected poems book, uh, along with all the rude poems as well. So yeah, there, uh, that, that's what I do. What you going to try and flog to our listeners? Ants? What are you? Oh, um,
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You can send us money and pay for our Zencaster subscription. No, don't do that. Yeah, I i think as as as well as people buying your book and and Mark's book, there there are lots of animal sanctuaries where you can either sponsor an animal or you can pay to visit. So that's a nice nice thing you can say to somebody. I've bought you a day trip to Good Heart Animal Sanctuary in in the West Midlands or or whatever. And obviously...
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Animal sanctuaries are always short of money. So that would be gratefully received. just think ah any anything that's thoughtful that is going to nudge the needle to a more vegan, a more compassionate world.
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i think that's a great idea. Ant, and I would argue that in this ah age where time is such a limited resource because so many folks are being asked to work such long hours, if you can find some precious time and the time shared to be a gift, and if you want there to be the money spent on something like an animal sanctuary being a day out, what a wonderful thing to share that experience with someone. If you want to buy a present, that's a beautiful thing one could choose to do. lovely ideas um i've had i've got an idea but it is doesn't cost anything in particular i just
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wonder if we can rebrand Father Christmas. Because, yeah, he's he's red. Coca-Cola colours, isn't it? It needs to be green, doesn't used to be green.
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Can we not rebrand him and turn him green again, you know, get a bit more pagan? You're in green. Actually, you're in red, Anthony. Dom's in green.
00:32:27
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Christmas colours. I'm not. I'm not, but you're in Christmas colours. Well, I think whilst you're on Flapjack Press buying Dominic's books, yeah you can pitch this idea to them because you've got a good 10 months to get this turned into an idea, into a book, you know, Vegan Father Christmas. I think that's great.
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And so this is Christmas. Thank you, Kate. Thank you, Anthony. What a fun old time we've had. What we also enjoy is you getting in touch with us.
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I hope Santa brings you all something your little vegan hearts desire and deserve. So thank you everyone for listening. The next Enough of the Falafel episode is coming out on Monday and it is with Carlos, Dominic, Julie and Ant.
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And it's going to be an episode of Vegan Week, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. And if you're still listening to this right now, I'm assuming you're not completely sick and vomiting at the thought of Christmas. So I'm just going to mention that every year we do some festive special episodes and at this sort of time of year. So on the 25th of December, there will be our annual vegan quiz where Dominic will be. facing off against one another with joined by Paul and Julie. um And then we've got a two part show, one airing on the 29th of December, one airing on the 1st of January. And that is the 2025 Vegan News Awards, which is always great fun. So do join us for those. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Kate. Thank you, Dominic. Thank you, everyone for listening.
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I've been Anthony and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.