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After a false dawn five years ago, once again the Polish government have voted overwhelmingly in favour of banning fur farms. But will it go through this time? And how do we feel about the compensation packages being offered for those who have made a living from this awful business? Dominic, Kate, Freedom & Anthony discuss this, as well as nine other stories from the week's vegan & animal rights news across the world.
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Week podcast, we aim to keep listeners (& ourselves) informed & up-to-date with the latest developments that affect vegans & non-human animals; giving insight, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we look through news stories from the past 7 days in the world of veganism & animal rights.
If you spot any news stories that might catch our fancy, or have an idea for a discussion topic, get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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This week's stories:
https://plantbasednews.org/news/alternative-protein/impossible-foods-plant-based-too-woke/
https://www.kqed.org/news/12061839/rescue-or-crime-uc-berkeley-student-faces-5-years-in-sonoma-poultry-farm-case
https://phys.org/news/2025-10-mass-cull-berlin-germany-bird.html#:~:text=German%20authorities%20said%20Sunday%20they,surge%20in%20bird%20flu%20cases.
https://www.newfoodmagazine.com/news/257555/demand-for-standardised-animal-welfare-labelling-on-meat-products/
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/25/world/americas/brazil-chef-menu-william-sustainability.html
https://plantbasednews.org/culture/film/documentary-on-indias-dairy-industry-removed/
https://www.facebook.com/share/1AVRAD1QT9/
https://www.goodthingsguy.com/people/greyhounds-rescue-art-exhibition/
https://dailynewshungary.com/budapest-to-host-vegan-summit-in-november/
https://www.theanimalreader.com/2025/10/22/poland-votes-to-ban-fur-farming-by-2033/
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Dominic, Kate, Freedom & Ant
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Introduction of Hosts
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody, my name is Dominic and joining me for today's episode are Kate, Freedom and Anthony.
Vegan Week Segment Overview
00:00:10
Speaker
But that is enough of the falafel, it is time for Vegan Week.
00:00:16
Speaker
So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrrr! Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:36
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Hang on a minute. You always pick.
00:00:43
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social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:58
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No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hi, everybody. So nice you could be with us today. and This is Kate here with you. Thank you so much for listening to our show.
00:01:11
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Indeed, indeed. My name is Anthony. If this is your first time with us so or you're especially forgetful, I'm just going to take a few moments to tell you what we're about to do. So this is Vegan Week.
00:01:23
Speaker
That means we are looking back at the last week of vegan and animal rights news we do it every week you can tune back into your podcast player and listen to old episodes if you want to know what happened in the news six months ago you can do that with us hello everyone this is my should be my second time here and i'm happy and looking forward to today's show but that's enough of the fallout fell let's hear what's been going on in the news this week
00:01:52
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For more details on the upcoming news stories, including links to our original source material, check out our show notes for this episode, available on your podcast player.
00:02:03
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Okay, everyone, for our first story, I am going to speak with Kate. Now, as you all know, listeners, we're just a group of people who don't claim to be experts.
00:02:16
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We're just people who happen to be vegan, who all have different approaches. Some of us always cook food from scratch. raw ingredients. I'll confess I'm not one of those people. I go for burgers. I do. I go for the processed stuff.
00:02:34
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And I'm very aware of Impossible
Is Impossible Foods Too Partisan?
00:02:37
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Foods. Now, their CEO... has claimed that the plant-based sector has become too woke and partisan.
00:02:47
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Too woke and partisan are the words of Peter McGuinness, the current CEO of Impossible Foods, who said that ah for mass appeal, these are bad things.
00:02:59
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So he has been saying that he's a US-based company. And of course, President Trump is influencing a lot of people in ways that aren't ways I support. You know, there's a lot of progressive groups which aren't really popular.
00:03:19
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being supported particularly environmental pledges. Now McGuinness has said that it's not really a good thing to make vegans feel guilty and he feels that the advertising has been far too much in that direction. They're rebranding with a hope that flexitarians, vegetarians and meat eaters are going to be attracted to their products.
00:03:43
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Kate, What are your feelings on this? Do you think there's a problem with such marketing being too woke? I was initially quite upset about this. And I'm not somebody that tends to eat these sorts of burgers and things, I'm afraid.
00:03:58
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and i have had them. And I think they're great transmission food and they're great for some vegans. But actually, as vegans, we are... we're not like a major market for them, are we? So mean, he even calls some of the ah previous people who were leading impossible zealots, which is, you know, quite, quite a strong word, isn't it?
00:04:23
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But anyway, so yeah, I mean, he's like, it's almost like he's ah aligning himself with some of that sort some of that quite hateful rhetoric, actually, that has come out from the Trumpian side of things.
00:04:37
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um You know, in the picture, he's even wearing a hat that kind of reminds me of Trump somehow. don't know what
00:04:45
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you know but you know and also know alongside lot of other businesses in America and and banks and stuff that are all saying yeah yeah we're not interested in all that climate rubbish and all that so but do wonder if some of it is actually clever marketing you know because there has been a dip in sales of such things and there that's what prompted him to say that because sales are on the decline so maybe it is just a a way of drawing attention. All publicity is good publicity, perhaps.
00:05:19
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Well, yeah, there's a lot of that. but also, you know, like like I was saying, vegans are actually, and people are really ah climate aware, they seem to be a much smaller, they're a much smaller market share than all them mere meat eaters and the flexitarians out there.
00:05:37
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And they want that market, don't they? And actually, we all want these people to eat uh non non we want them to stop eating meat for the sake of the animals and for the sake of the climate yeah't i don't even remember we we sort of covered a bit about bryant research um a while ago and they're saying that that you know you got your shouty vegans and the like And they're really, really off putting to the vast majority of like omnivores and meat eaters and people that actually we want to turn vegan, but they're like totally off put.
00:06:16
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And then you've got the people that go hang on, we're not like them, though. We're really much more like you and, you know, get much more likely to get people on side. So I wonder if they may be trying to attract more of the the those sorts of people.
00:06:31
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and aligning themselves to, um you know, they're even packaging their products in red boxes that are kind of, you know, more meaty looking. um and they're focusing on taste and stuff and trying to encourage people to to buy it and sort of kind of dissing the environmental side of things.
00:06:51
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Also, they sort of mention Beyond Meat as well, as you know, which is another company, isn't it? Ethan somebody or other, I think, is it? Who heads it up. who are also, they've dropped the word meat from from beyond meat, so it's just beyond, but they are apparently there, so that and they're distancing themselves a bit from animal activism and on all all that similarly, but they're still emphasising that they're good for the climate, they're using clean ingredients, you know, less weird things, more recognisable stuff, and they're emphasising the protein.
00:07:29
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So it's kind of almost like, it's almost like they've been talking to each other and saying like, we'll go at it this angle, you go at at that angle. I think, Kate, is that what people say they want isn't always what they actually do want.
00:07:44
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Long-term listeners will know that I'm a writer and the worst thing you could do as a writer is ask the general public, what you want? Because they often don't know the reasons why they engage with things. Now, I bring that up in relation to what you said about Shouty V That just because people say, oh, I don't want shouty vegans, actually, maybe the people who saying that's the reason, maybe there are other reasons other than shouty vegans that they're not going
Effective Vegan Advocacy
00:08:11
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vegan. I know certainly for me, as much as I didn't enjoy hearing shouty vegans, it was that harsher approach that me feel like was going to
00:08:20
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So I guess it's good for them to try different approaches. so And it's got us talking about it, hasn't it? It has. has. And if it actually gets more people two who who who would never have thought of trying a non-meat burger or whatever to eat them...
00:08:40
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then great because the animals don't care, do they? They don't care. So long as more people stop eating meat and start eating plant based foods.
00:08:51
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So yeah, So you're you're right, Kate, the the animals don't care why people are are ditching meat and starting to eat plant-based alternatives.
00:09:01
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I do always, when people talk about Impossible Burger, I do like to bring up the fact that 188 rats were tested on by the company in the production of this they particular type of protein, and which I won't go into.
00:09:15
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ah But that is one difference between Impossible and Beyond Meat. and Whilst some of their employees are have eaten meat to compare how well their product is doing. The product and no constituent parts were tested on animals, whereas Impossible 188 rats were tested on.
00:09:31
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Oh, Ant, that is shocking. Well, thank you for sharing that.
Bird Flu's Ethical Dilemma
00:09:35
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and We're going to stick with Ant and ah another quite shocking news story, which we've got from fees or p h y s phyic in physics or There's been a mass cull ordered near Berlin in Germany with regards to bird flu.
00:09:53
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ah So the culling of around 130,000 ducks.
00:09:58
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and chickens on farms near Berlin is happening as a reaction to the surge in bird flu cases. The disease has been detected in a dock farm and it's been decided that these extreme actions will be made.
00:10:17
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And a really shocking and sad thing happening Yeah, yeah, it's it's awful. And it's really important that things like this are shared as as widely as possible, I believe, because if you if you just look at it as, you know, imagine this was day one on planet Earth, and we've got a form of food that I think pretty much every everyone deep down knows that we don't need to eat. We don't need to eat the bodies of dead chickens, and but we might convince ourselves that it's tasty or that maybe it's a better source of protein if we're going to the gym or whatever.
00:10:53
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And at the same time as this unnecessary food source, there is this side effect that that is a huge, huge disease, a huge need to cull animals and and, you know, biohazard catastrophes.
00:11:06
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we would if If it was day one, we'd just say, well, let's less look elsewhere. So I think just spreading that is important. So i'm I'm glad it's making the headlines. As you say, Dominic, we're taking it from this science-based website, but it's it's been all over the news in the in the last week or so. Unfortunately, it's not surprising.
00:11:23
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My response is going to be brief here. I don't think that human beings will will learn the lessons quickly enough from this sort of thing to prevent a future pandemic or anything like that. I don't say that with glee. I don't think that's a good thing. I'm not...
00:11:38
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somebody who thinks, well, it serves humans right or whatever like that. I think that's a catastrophe. And and very often these these catastrophic events, they affect the most vulnerable people, you know? So that's that's the biggest tragedy.
00:11:51
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That said, I do think that the best thing we can do as vegans, because you can feel helpless with stories like this, can't you? With with that number of animals being cold and the and the the risk of future zoonotic disease, you can think, well, what on earth can I do?
00:12:07
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Well, I believe one thing we can do is we can just, you know, very matter of fact, share information of this, you know, spread it, which is what we're doing with this show. But also we can show that living in a plant based way, living in a vegan way is possible and is viable.
00:12:23
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If you look at the last pandemic, what helped us when there was that, you know, when we were. in lockdown and things like that. Well, there were are all sorts of things that helped. there was There was community, there was Zoom, there was Deliveroo. though you know there were There were lots of things, but hardworking scientists. There were lots of things that helped us.
00:12:41
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And they were all things that existed beforehand. And actually, if things like bird flu come to a state where they mean that everybody is locked down in their homes,
00:12:53
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because it's become so, so deadly. I mean, there are some strains of avian flu that have a 50% mortality rate in humans. At the moment, it seems like this current strain is is not being transmitted to humans, or if it is, it's a very, very extreme case. But you know it doesn't even have to be 50% for it to be horrific.
00:13:14
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Drop that by 10% and it'd be it be 5% mortality. That's still terrifying. That would be awful. And we know that we can live without this form of agriculture, without this practice. So I think as vegans, we are future-proofing the world.
00:13:31
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We'd love for people to learn the message now. We'd love it to be a preventative thing where people say, goodness me, we must do something about this before something terrible happens. I don't think we learn that quickly as as a species.
00:13:44
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But I think by living our the way that we do as vegans, people listening to this show and millions of others around the world, we're showing people a way out so that when unfortunately something like this probably does happen, that then we've got a way out. And I'm aware that in my commentary there, Dominic, I've been speaking about humans and I've not been speaking about the 100,000 innocent animals who've who've needlessly lost their life there, which is a tragedy. And it says in the story as well about how it's it's ah affecting wild animals now.
00:14:16
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Cranes, just think how graceful a crane is. not to Not to be all hierarchical and one animal is better than the other, but think how beautiful the sight of a wild crane you know taking flight. A beautiful sight and they're being affected by our stupidity too. it It's tragic and goodness, let's learn the lessons quickly.
Culinary Challenges with Vegan Menus
00:14:34
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Yeah.
00:14:34
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Yes, certainly, Ant. Thank you. ah Something that we try to do on Falafel is have stories from all over the world. So going from Germany and Europe to something that's been reported in, amongst other places, the New York Times.
00:14:52
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I'm going to speak with Freedom about something that's been happening in Brazil, actually. The New York Times reporting on a Brazilian... chef called Saulo Jennings, who was invited to cook a special meal for, amongst others, Prince William, ah our UK prince, going over to host an environmental awards ceremony by the Earthshot Prize for 700 guests in Rio de Janeiro.
00:15:23
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And he was asked for the menu to be 100% vegan. Salo Jennings had misunderstood, thought that he was being asked to create a vegan option, but no, at an environmental awards, the request was 100% vegan. Now, clearly I'm going to be in favor of this. Mr Jennings was not.
00:15:48
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His quote is, it's like asking Iron Maiden to play jazz. ah So he found it a disrespectful thing for someone, you know, who is very experienced in what he does, creating foods with Amazonian fish.
00:16:09
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ah Ultimately, he ended up not being used. They got a different chef in to do it. He was very upset about the process. Freedom, what is your opinion on this? Do you think it is understandable that the chef in question was upset?
00:16:27
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It's obvious that the chef is not um vegan and is not also vegetarian. So this shows the kind of, I wouldn't call it dominance, I mean, would call it the kind of um shadows under which most vegan chefs are experiencing right now, you know, because um' they would have um looked for vegan chef to do that, you know, if it were to be a vegan chef.
00:16:53
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the recipe or maybe the cuisines that would come to mind would be vegan cuisines, you know. Obviously, maybe because this chef was maybe popular and then um he was now contacted to do and prepare for the event, you know.
00:17:09
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You could see they that he was trying to disobey the instructions. He was even trying to force his um own ideologies about cuisines on the event, you know, um whereby the um instructions where to prepare strictly vegan meal.
00:17:26
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Also, since he's not vegan, it's also make it less creative for him because he will be short of options. Because when it was being suggested that um he should um prepare vegan meals, it took him a lot of time but when he was told to prepare the meals and the idea he had was now non-vegan options.
00:17:47
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It was so fast for him to think about using and the indigenous fish recipe, trying to use the indigenous fish recipe. So um it all shows what's actually happening the world today. Vegan chefs need to actually keep keep it up in whatever ways they are working to let the world know more about vegan recipes. you know If you read closely into the article, the chef also said that um At another event that he was being called upon, he was also going to prepare for them non-vegan meal, you know.
00:18:22
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So it's up to the vegan chavs also to, you know, stand firm, just like he's trying to stand firm, you know, and um always be creative and come up with ideas to create more awareness about vegan meals.
00:18:35
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I agree, Freedom. When people have said to me, don't you find being vegan limiting? I always say, well, I've not eaten every single vegan dish. So until I have,
00:18:47
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It's not limiting. You know, there are so many vegan dishes, so many you can create. I'm going to take a stance at Freedom Kate Ant that isn't my opinion. I'm just going to throw it out there for a bit of controversy that we've talked a lot about processed foods, things like burgers.
00:19:07
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Could there be an argument from an environmental standpoint that maybe i know nothing about the way that Mr. Jennings makes food, but let's presume he goes out with his bare hands and catches the fish with his with his own grip, that maybe environmentally there might be ah process that is less harmful than some heavily processed vegan foods.
00:19:38
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Is that an argument? Is that something? What do we think? I'll open that out to anyone. He's not grabbing 700 fish from the Amazon River by himself. You know, he would have had to start last month.
00:19:50
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ah i think I think that is the kind of argument that people... who want to be right will put forward dominic they'd rather be right than than change or be perceived to be right than than change but i think freedom makes a brilliant point i mean i i saw this story um last week and because it's about the british royal family i immediately got cross but but it my hatred blinded me to the fact that freedom makes is absolutely right Get a vegan chef in to do it.
00:20:18
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Brazil is a huge country, hundreds of millions of people to the best of my knowledge. There's going to be some awesome vegan chefs out there and they are going to be people who are less likely to buy in a bunch of impossible burgers or process things or or whatever. They're going to know how to do it from scratch in an environmentally friendly way that honors Brazil's rich culinary heritage. And they're going to be able to do it really, really well.
00:20:43
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my experience of people who aren't vegan chefs, and this is a generalization, but if you're not somebody who's familiar with that kind of cooking, as well as refusing to do it like Mr. Jennings is and and confusing, oh, fish is vegan though, isn't it? As well as those things, when they actually do get around to it, they've got less experience. They don't know how to do it as well because they are more experienced in in cooking with animals. So I think freedom's absolutely right.
00:21:08
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Get a vegan chef to do it. And they'll be able to do it in a way that is environmentally friendly, that honours culinary traditions. Yeah, give them the gig. Well, moving to Kate's second story, this is a story that I found really very emotional.
The Fight for Animal Rights
00:21:25
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It's over in the USA. An animal rights activist has been found guilty in a chicken theft case So a university student, an activist called Zoe Rosenberg, went in to a farm. She was wearing some gear to stop herself from being harmed and she picked up four chickens from crates on a truck.
00:21:49
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And she just carried them off of the property. So she's had a three week trial. It's brought a lot of attention to issues of factory farming and how animals are kept.
00:22:01
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And, ah you know, her attorneys tried to persuade the jury that her goal was not to break the law, but to help the birds who, as we know, they're in awful conditions. So the birds were described as sick, scratched and bruised.
00:22:15
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The prosecutors argued that theft was a felony that goes beyond animal welfare. So no one was arguing whether she had or hadn't taken the birds. The argument was why and was it ah something that the jury would be empathetic to?
00:22:34
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They weren't. They found her guilty on all the counts. And, so you know, she's been found guilty of trespassing and and theft. So a really heartbreaking story there. Really, really sad.
00:22:50
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Kate, how did you feel when you were reading this story? Very much in awe of her. She's only 23. Wow.
00:22:58
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23 what an incredible person she is and um the the other people she wasn't alone was she but she's the one who's who's being prosecuted I think somebody plea bargained at a slightly earlier stage and she's actually think that the worst thing was um with was conspiracy which of course she did conspire to to kind of rescue some chickens and She did rescue chickens that are four and they're all named and they've all gone to a sanctuary, which is lovely. And in themselves, they're just supposedly worth just a few dollars. So it's not like, you know, she robbed a ah gold off a train or anything like that, you know.
00:23:42
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and And she's facing about four and a half years in jail. And I think she gets to hear on the 3rd of December what what's happening. So we wish her luck with that.
00:23:54
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But she has been found guilty and her team are going to appeal. So this is, in fact, you know where it kind of gets interesting as well, because potentially...
00:24:09
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If they win the appeal, it could change the law. um mean, there's a big bit of me which is thinking they are going to do everything they can to fight this tooth and nail so that that that doesn't happen.
00:24:22
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But potentially, So she's taken these animals and she's but they're they're kind of arguing that their suffering is more important than somebody else's property, basically.
00:24:39
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Already in the States, people are allowed to rescue dogs if they if they come across them in a hot car, for example. You can smash the window, you can rescue the dog. And so I guess they're trying to get it...
00:24:53
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So that if you see an animal that's suffering on a factory farm, that you're entitled to rescue them and it will kind of legalise open rescue.
00:25:04
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If they lose, well, it may deter other other animal rights activists, I guess. You know, it may alienate the public. And industry might even push for even more severe laws than there are already, perhaps.
00:25:19
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Wouldn't it be wonderful? Wouldn't it be great, though, if if they win, if they win on appeal? What will they do? What will the industry do then? They'll be in a right pickle. Absolutely amazing person. You know, she's she said, I will not apologise for taking sick, neglected animals to get medical care.
00:25:37
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And Kate, what you say about it being legal to save a dog, to smash a window of a car. of I think that her naming the chickens, I'm going to say the names, Poppy, Ivy, Aster and Azalea. I mean, these are four lives. And you think about how attached...
00:25:56
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So many folks, are if they've got like one dog, that you know, their their animal companion who they named. When I was a lad, we we had some rescue chickens. We had six rescue chickens who we we had ah as companions, you know, we we they it wasn't a farm. We we had them sort of.
00:26:15
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as as as friends outside and you know I named them and was just as close to those chickens as I was to any cat or dog so I think that yeah we don't know how this story will end up we hope it's the kind of things that people look back on from the future in a really celebratory way when things have changed for the better and see you know you know what trail blazer you know this this person zoe rosenberg has been yeah she's just wonderful they're all wonderful i mean let's cross fingers for them let's hope thank you kate all right returning to ant with an article from new food magazine
00:27:00
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Now, New Food magazine are talking about animal welfare and long-term listeners will know that we often talk about being troubled a little bit by the vagueness of the word welfare.
Consumer Attitudes Towards Meat Labeling
00:27:13
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That is what this study is about, labelling meat products in a way that is consistent. So they've done a study of people I'm going to ah read the results of their study. They say that from their study, it was only 260 people in their study, but 80% of those said that they were concerned about the conditions in which chickens were raised.
00:27:41
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ah More than 85% reacted positively to the idea to a rating system. ninety seven percent 97% said they would find it informative where one would indicate a high welfare value i mean we've discussed on previous shows high welfare what is high welfare but still five would then mark the lowest including imports that fail to meet uk standards 71% of this study said that they would prefer to purchase chickens not raised in factory farm conditions.
00:28:15
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Three quarters felt the farming practices are not communicated clearly. So Anthony, what's your reaction to this story? I think we're going to be retreading some ground we said on previous shows, but it's worth repeating because It's what we feel so passionately about, the vagueness of words like welfare. Yeah, I i will say yes and no to you in terms of retreading old ground.
00:28:43
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And I think might my reason for saying that is because of the source of this information, the source of this proposal, if you like, which seems to be coming from DEFRA.
00:28:56
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I miss that important. Thank you, Ant. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I think if if Animal Aid or Viva or PETA or, you know, organisations with which we have a lot of trust or, or you know, compared to DEFRA, I mean, and and their resources are a lot more limited um and their purpose is advocating on behalf of animals.
00:29:21
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If they were saying, we're going to put a lot of our effort into rebranding meat so that it says how high welfare or not it is, I would be saying, no, no, no, that's so ah really not a good message to be putting out there. That's confusing.
00:29:38
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that That's not where vegans and animal rights activists should be putting their energy. Now, if DEFRA are going to do this off their own bat, and those numbers that you read out, Dominic, suggest that the numbers are in favor.
00:29:54
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Interestingly, the numbers were in favor as well of ah scrapping Red Tractor and RSPCA Assured. We talk about them a lot. ah Only 27% of consumers recognized RSPCA Assured.
00:30:06
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Only 36% said they understood Red Tractor. So those schemes are clearly not working. But if DEFRA wants to make this mandatory of its own back, then great.
00:30:18
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i don't I know there is an argument that, oh, if you say that there is such a thing as grade one welfare, then you're saying that it's okay. Yes, I do understand that.
00:30:28
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But I would rather there be something on the label of a chicken carcass that might make somebody think about the fact that that used to be a living, breathing animal. than not, if those are the only two options, which at the moment they they are, you know we're not gonna have a vegan world overnight. So in a world where chicken carcasses or cow carcasses can be sold in supermarkets, I'd much rather there's a sticker on there that makes you think about how that animal's life might've been.
00:30:59
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Even if the grading system is nonsense, even if it's it's saying that there is a an okay way to kill an animal, I'd rather that be there. as we've As we've said in the show before, it's it's it's misleading. There's no such thing as free range. There's no such thing as humane slaughter.
00:31:17
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So I don't think this is something that vegans should be pushing. But if DEFRA is going to make it legal, then i think that is an incremental increase.
00:31:28
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improvement that is a nudge of the needle in the right direction to people more routinely considering the fact that the animals on their plate used to be alive it's just another reminder so broadly speaking i say yep if you going to do it do it um but i'll focus my energy on on promoting other things i i won't give them a pat on the back just saying yeah thank you anthony well done for doing that what's next would be my question Certainly.
00:31:59
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OK, I'm going to return speaking with freedom about a story that is also being reported by Plant
Vegan Documentary Controversy
00:32:07
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Based News. Another story from them on today's show.
00:32:10
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This is a story in India. So there is an award winning documentary. It is called Markadood. I think I'm saying that correctly. The translation is Mother's Milk.
00:32:25
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It was on YouTube with more than three and a half million views. And it was made by an activist called Harsha Atmakoury, who was a doctor who'd become passionate about animal rights, examining the ethical, environmental, religious, economic, social and political consequences of increased development.
00:32:49
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dairy consumption in India. So incredibly popular and hard-hitting documentary which YouTube took down. So YouTube deleted it and ah said that it was violating the standards that YouTube requires.
00:33:09
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ah The initial reaction from mccurry was to encourage people to go on alternative sources to still see the documentary still see this body of work that he'd spent so long making that was so well received it was on vimeo which is a a different thing other than youtube it was on his own website where people could download it all for free and youtube have gone back on their on their their ruling. they they The full film is now up on YouTube once more. They have said that they they were wrong for taking it down. They did an examination of their own practice and concluded that there was nothing wrong with this.
00:33:53
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Now, freedom. I am often a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. On YouTube, things which have got lots of views are more likely to keep getting lots of views. And this has reset the the number of views back down to zero.
00:34:12
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I wonder whether YouTube... If you look closely. that this film was breaking their own codes or whether they knew from the beginning that there was nothing wrong with this film's existence what do you think about it freedom if you look closely at The title of the campaign, it says that um milk is not vegetarian, you know, and, um you know, the the milk industry, the milk and dairy industry is related to a whole lot of companies in the world.
00:34:47
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At the moment, a lot of awareness about um how milk is not vegetarian and how milk milk is not vegan is not um being enough, you know. So such campaigns usually trigger these companies to try to also manipulate the media.
00:35:05
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And then in a country like India, where freedom of expression is not that i'm well established, you know, most of the brands there do Manipulate the mainstream media as well.
00:35:17
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And if you look closely that this is a mere a campaign against the against the milk industry being a billion dollar industry there. So um even if you look closely, the police, we are also trying to be against the campaign, you know. So And then when you look closely and go to YouTube, you know, there are more many movies, many trailers that glorify animal cruelty.
00:35:43
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You know, many videos get a lot of views and you see that nothing is being done to take him down. But mostly when it has to now do with um vegan campaigns and then most of the companies kind of um try to do something, maybe send out a request to YouTube as well.
00:36:05
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You don't see most of those videos um'm getting um deleted from the channels. You don't see a whole lot of restrictions on how those videos and trailers are going to be displayed on the YouTube platform. So this is a problem we have in the world today. um Like I usually use the word being overshadowed, you know.
00:36:27
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Whenever vegan campaigns try to utilize the media, these are the problems I'm that we do as experience, you know. Because i think in the last show that we held here, we were talking about Nick Lydon, you know. Nick Lydon, there is one of their series, cartoon series, that was um depicting a cow with a nose ring, you know. So, and and and and at the moment, some people kind of feel relaxed about it, you know. When kids actually watch those cartoons, you know, this kind of endocrinates them into...
00:37:03
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support for viewing cows as objects, as um animals that can be manipulated by virtue of i picturing them as in the form of wearing rings on their nose. So that's just a comparison, you know, about how non-vegan brands do their own awareness campaigns.
00:37:22
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And then when vegan organizations try to respond with their own campaigns by way of utilizing the media, then restrictions now start coming up left, right, and center.
00:37:37
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So i I do hope that it keeps getting better. um I mean, with freedom of utilizing the media, you know, there is always a catch. Platforms like YouTube, when vegan organizations try to post their trailers on these platforms, then they start making a list of demands on on how the trailer should be.
00:37:58
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And whereas when I, these are vorilies, Observe as well when I try to check out check out on some non vegan trailers and what they're trying to promote, you know For example, most of them that promote dog racing most of them that um promote hunting animal hunting, you know, they just work on these movies uploaded no um restrictions, but then when it now gets to vegan campaigns and awareness, you know, you now start seeing a whole lot of restrictions coming up there. I hope this gets solved soon. Thank you, Freedom.
00:38:34
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So we have heard some stories in brief, but each episode we ask each of our speakers to choose one story from the news this week, to go into a little bit more detail.
00:38:49
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And we've got stories from all around the world coming up. We've got one set in Hungary. We've got some news from South Africa and Here, where I'm recording from in the UK, we're going to be speaking a little bit about the vegan land movement.
00:39:07
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Alright, our first big story of the week from Kate. Well, they're all big stories, aren't they? But the one that Kate has chosen for her pick of the week is the ah Vegan Land Movement, who I understand are a group who work to remove land from it animal agriculture and support animals and the earth.
00:40:20
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Kate, what's been happening with them this week? I've deliberately chosen this because it's a We're rule the world. posts anyway so um about a week ago facebook posts and I guess elsewhere the vegan land movement they kind of put out this appeal saying they've got a new bit of land that they want to buy and they've got less than a week to raise the money for it and so they were just really you know saying please please help us and it was in Somerset and the Somerset levels right next to a river where there's signs of otters and other creatures and it's a piece of land that
00:41:07
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has been historically grazed for dairy cattle. And it's just one small field surrounded by a whole load of other small fields. And they have they have to use the stealth approach in order to um get their land. they can't they cannot They cannot let the farming community know that they're after this piece of land at auction.
00:41:30
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So anyhow, they went to auction, they managed to raise the money, they went to auction, and they won! So that is nine pieces of land that they have managed to remove from permanently from animal agriculture.
00:41:48
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in one form minute or another. Most of their pieces of land are from the dairy industry. I think there's one which was going which actually had planning permission for um ah chicken chicken sheds on their intensive chicken farming.
00:42:02
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That's not going ahead. They go on in there, they they they kind of plant a few trees sometimes. ah But basically, they just leave nature to get on with what nature does best.
00:42:15
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and And then they go in like once a year and do like ah a survey, including one initially, which is like called a baseline ecological survey, where they see what plants, animals, etc.
00:42:28
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are already living there. And then they go back a year later, and they see what has come to live there. And, um you know, how nature is ah regenerating.
00:42:40
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It's like, it's like, it's rewilding, but not in the greenwash way, like regenerative grazing, and all that claptrap. It is compassionate conservation, they call it.
00:42:53
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I just think they are such a wonderful organisation. And they're They're community interest company and they but kind of ensure that all their land and assets that they purchase, they must be used to benefit local ecosystems and its inhabitants in perpetuity, preventing any human from financially profiting from the land itself, which I think is absolutely wonderful. They raise their money through crowdfunding,
00:43:25
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And yeah, they they they kind of, they kind every so often they'll come across a bit of land, but they they think, right, we've really got to go for this. I mean, this just makes me so happy.
00:43:36
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Should we feel sorry for the farmers who missed out on buying this land? No. No.
00:43:43
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They don't feel understood. They don't feel valued in what they do. They work so hard, you know. So anyway, basically, really love the fact that they do it all with a baseline ecological survey, because ah in future, all these greenwashing types who are doing the regenerative farming will be able to compare like for like.
00:44:06
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and And the regenerative farms, they'll be able to give you a list of their like pitifully few species that have come to live there alongside their grazing cows or whatever.
00:44:17
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And then there'll be this incredible these incredible sites that are just absolutely bursting with life. So I am somebody who does it gives a little donation every month just because um want to feel part something good, um something new real.
00:44:35
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And I did ah i did a little so few little sums because ah apparently if we can estimate there's about 2% to 5% of vegans in the UK. And then I thought, hmm, if everyone donated just, like, say, the price of a cup of coffee every month,
00:44:53
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I thought, how much would that up to add up to?
Rewilding Success Stories
00:44:56
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so So if you imagine that an average cup of coffee might be about £3.50, shall we say? And then if everyone donated their cup of coffee once a month, that would be... um much do you reckon off the top of your head?
00:45:09
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Oh, my word. No idea, Kate. I mean... Go on, then. Have a guess. £6 million. £7 million. What?! seven million pound Oh, my gosh.
00:45:20
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How much is that a year? 84 million pounds. 84 million pounds, right? So if pasture land... They need to get you on their marketing thing.
00:45:35
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Well, also, it's fab, isn't it? So if pasture land, apparently, the most barren, I guess, about 5,000 pounds per acre... barron i guess is about five thousand pounds per acre And the best stuff is about £10,000, depending on this grading.
00:45:54
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So on average, it could they could you could they could buy like 30,000 acres a year, which is equivalent of, say, the size fields there by about 2,800 small fields.
00:46:05
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But still, we shouldn't get excited because and if if that if we carried on like that, it'd still take like 2,000 years to buy up all the land. Yeah.
00:46:16
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So we have got a little bit of work cut out, but still, I think we all give a little bit, if we can, most of us that can, then, you know, we're going to make a big difference.
00:46:27
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That's really wonderful, Kate, and really inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing that. You've made me think, Kate. You've made me think. You've been... like Quite persuasive. I love it. I love it.
00:46:39
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That is definitely good news here in the UK. I wonder, Anthony, is there any good news in Hungary, perhaps? Well, yes, I think so. I mean, Hungary often makes the geopolitical news for not particularly positive reasons um ah and and that they can have some very, very right wing policies and with certain things, which is obviously detestable. um But it is a beautiful country. It's somewhere that I've been to twice specifically to seek out delicious vegan food.
Celebrating Vegan Progress
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And um the the great news this week is that, well, this is happening in a few weeks times, 22nd of November. But ah the first ever international vegan summit is taking place in Budapest.
00:47:28
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ah that The main kind of tickets you can get for it are sold out. um which I take to be more excellent news. It sort of looks a bit like a vegan festival. Put a link in the show notes so that you can see you know what it all looks like because they're the news story that we got this from, dailynewshungary.com, doesn't give you a huge amount of detail. But they've got speakers, they've got exhibitors and things like that, but they've also got um conversations happening.
00:47:56
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So you can be part of like a big dialogue going on. There's like an award ceremony. So it it seems ah bit like a cross between a festival, ah convention, a conference.
00:48:07
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But it's it's a really great thing. And I chose it for my pick of the week because, number one, it's great when any country, community or whatever takes their first bold step towards doing something new that is wonderful.
00:48:22
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pro-vegan, pro-animal rights, pro-social justice in any way. I think giving folk recognition for that and giving them a boost of saying, hey, you know, we'll tell people about that too, I think is really important.
00:48:34
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Number but two, it just looks great. I mean, they've've they've got somebody speaking there whose restaurant I have been to is called Napfenyes Bistro and Eatery. And honestly, it is one of the best vegan restaurants I've ever been to in my life because of the sort of disparity between Hungary's economy and the UK economy. The exchange rate is such that it feels embarrassingly cheap from a from a British point of view to go there and eat. You know, your your meal is is costing a fraction of of what it would in the UK and it's incredibly high quality. So the fact that they've got people like this exhibiting makes me think that for the 40% of participants who are not vegan,
00:49:18
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as quoted by this new article, they're going to get the very best examples of veganism. I i remember my first vegan festival I went to, and I was persuaded to try veganism.
00:49:29
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And then I tried a ah vegan cheese sample, and I was always almost persuaded back immediately because was like, this is terrible. Why are you giving this out to people? But I don't think there'll be this problem.
00:49:40
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But also i had the great joy as as we record this on a Sunday night. Yesterday, myself and Dominic were both at a vegan festival in Manchester where Dominic lives and some brilliant poetry he recited too. But it was just a fabulous feeling. I've not been to an event like it for a few years now of just having all these people under one roof,
00:50:02
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Connecting, sharing food, crafts, ideas, conversations. Like the internet has been and social media has been transformative in our movement in connecting people.
00:50:15
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And we should recognize that. And I think we do. But actually, if we can be in the same room as people and connecting, my goodness, the effect is tenfold, a hundredfold.
00:50:27
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And I think, you know, I'd encourage any of us listening, if if you can, even if just once a year, or maybe you live really remotely and it has to be once every every five years, if you can get to an opportunity where you're in the same room as not just one, not just five, not just 10, but hundreds of compassionate minded people.
00:50:47
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i I think that really has the potential to accelerate not just the movement, but just like our own feelings of community, connectedness, accompaniment and actions that we can take. I think it's ah a cold hearted vegan who comes away from a vegan get together and doesn't feel inspired to to do more or to simply continue advocating for animals. So good for Hungary, good for the people who are setting up the Vegan Summit in Budapest. And I'm sorry, I won't be there on the 22nd of November, but I'm confident that all those who will be will have a great time and ultimately animals will benefit from it. So hooray for all of that.
00:51:28
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Hooray indeed, and hooray for you, Anthony, coming to see my ah poetry performance. That was a real joy. On previous shows, I've given a shout out in advance of doing these in case any ah UK listeners happen to be in the area. I'll have a whole load in 2026, and I'll let you know in plenty of notice where my vegan events will be.
00:51:49
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But of course, we're not only based in the UK, not at all, not at all. We have a contributors from all over the world from Australasia from America and I'm going to ask Freedom having heard about the vegan land movement in the UK and having heard about what's happening in Hungary I believe that we've got some good news from South Africa Freedom what is your pick of the week My pick of the week is about a about a greyhound exhibition, greyhound exhibition story, using art to speak up against using greyhounds for heresy.
00:52:28
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Am I correct that um in South Africa it is actually illegal, isn't it?
Art and Animal Rights
00:52:34
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Because here in England, sadly, it's still a quite common practice, but I know Wales are campaigning against it, but am i am I correct? Like South Africa, it's a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um Some tribes try to continue it as a custom. So that's what we're battling down here.
00:52:54
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They kind of protest against the government that they should allow them to continue with their culture, you know, of using greyhounds for hunting, you know, most of the tribes down here, because it's something that's been done since decades, not just decades, thousands of years.
00:53:11
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using dog um greyhounds for hunting. So, but at the moment, some animal rights groups have been springing up here and um trying to, because most of the animals are not being well looked after, just used for hunting, even when they get blooded in the forest, the Muslims abandon them. So, it's um good news at the moment that animal rights groups are springing up and i trying to fight for the rights of these innocent animals. You know, thearch most of them are conditioned right from birth, right from when they're born.
00:53:43
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They're conditioned to a life of a very brutal life experience. So, yeah, it keeps getting better. so And with this exhibition down here that's been established, trying to tell the story of um the resilience of the greyhounds.
00:53:59
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So um most times ah the greyhounds are used for racing as well and then for sports. So these are kind of awareness that the world also needs to know about, you know, and um on how to stop these um brutal experiences for the animals. Can I ask a question, Freedom? i've I've been guilty of this before, of asking you to generalise what millions of other people where where you live think.
00:54:25
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But it is the general opinion of people in the south of Africa one against things like... greyhound racing and and and using dogs in this way it are most people against it would you say not most not most because of the culture you know it's it all stems from the culture that has been existing right from time so and then the level of um yeah we use the word democracy there has been practice you know so and the level of freedom that has been practiced so it all stems from the tribal groups and um
00:55:02
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People even see the people who living in the city, they kind of have ties back to the yeah to their native land. So this kind of influences the decisions most people um take. you know But um I'm glad that im the modern life is coming through and through education. The younger generation are getting to know how you know these how brutal these are. you know so It's kind of dynamic. It's kind of dynamic.
00:55:34
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The problem we're having is from the older date generation. We're trying to carry on with the culture, but um through the internet and the media, the younger generation is getting more aware on how brutal these practices are. And and like these these pictures are amazing that this this artist, Dean Bush, as has done. And it's I guess if if you're saying like...
00:55:56
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a lot of people still think that this is acceptable. it's It's even more impressive that this person has chosen to do this art and it's being exhibited and and being shown to people. Like that's really important, isn't it? The name of the exhibit is Ghosts of the Hunt.
00:56:11
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ah It's the Greyhound Welfare South Africa group, shortened for GWA, that Dean Bush, who Ant mentioned, is the ah founder of that. And it's many of his photos. And we got this story from Good Things Guy. That's the name of the website. Good Things Guy. Only Good Things.
00:56:31
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And it has photos of the photos. You can see the images of the greyhounds. And It's a really wonderful thing, and particularly hearing Freedom's ah account of how, even though it's illegal, not everyone necessarily supports stance of of of not to rating them.
00:56:52
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So it's amazing that this does exist, a really, really fantastic thing. Thank you, Freedom, and thank you, Anthony, and thank you, Kate, for sharing your picks of the week.
00:57:04
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Now, listeners, we really love hearing your opinions on any of the news stories we cover, and here is how to get in touch. To get in touch with us, just send us an email at enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com.
00:57:21
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00:57:33
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com We have one last story we're going to cover on this episode and this story is from the Animal Reader and it's from Poland.
The Future of Fur Farming in Poland
00:57:51
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Poland is voting to ban fur farming by 2033. The new proposal law says that all fur farms must close by that age although if farms close early, they will receive money for doing so. Poland's been one of the top fur producers in the world.
00:58:11
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ah In recent years, the number of fur farms has gone down, but Poland still has over 200 fur farms. So 339 Member of Parliament raised their hands for the ban on animal breeding for fur.
00:58:28
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It's not the end, but It's a fantastic start. So a similar ban had been proposed in 2020, but hadn't taken and got the same support that this one do.
00:58:40
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This one does. The 2025 survey amongst Polish people showed that most Polish residents do support a ban for farming. So what a very, very good story this is. What good news.
00:58:55
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And we got loads of good news this week, haven't we? We have. This one, I think, is tentative good news. Sorry to pour something on on the ah victory fire there. But like the animal reader, who we do very much enjoy ah their contributions to up-to-date animal-related news, that they post a link within this story to five years ago when when this was proposed before. And it's a little confusing in that It says in and this week's story, oh, this time around, it's got a lot more support. But actually, if you if you follow the link through to five years ago, it got more or less the same number of votes and was reported as, oh, they've passed the law now.
00:59:39
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But it it there was there was a backlash. And and it and so it sort of It stalled and and and didn't go through. So I'm definitely not celebrating yet, but it's it feels like there's there's something different in the air this time and and we'd hope it...
00:59:55
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It passes through. And yeah, particularly the fact that Poland is one of the biggest fur farming countries in the world. We've got to be hopeful. I think it gives me hope on everything because I watch a lot of old movies as someone who writes for a living. I read a lot of old books.
01:00:16
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And it wasn't that long ago that here in Britain, fur was a lot more visible and popular and see you don't have to go far you know that back that far to see it being just an everyday sight and now I certainly feel amongst my non-vegan work colleagues and friends that you know most people are uh shocked by by fur uh freedom I'm going to do exactly what Anthony did to you a moment ago and ask you to just ah
01:00:49
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Summarize, what what where you live, do you think most people think wearing fur is a bad thing, is a good thing? What's the general attitude to fur where you are, freedom?
01:01:01
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Yeah, you know, just like I said, um the older generation, they most of them do not see anything um anything wrong with it.
01:01:12
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But, um you know, I think... The change that we're experiencing in vegan lifestyle down here is with the younger generation. And internet helps that through the media. They get to see the cruelty that the animals get to experience, all in the name of the fur industry and how ah the brutal practices in order to extract these furs from them on how most animals get um killed. So if I'm to say, yeah, with the fur Younger generation, there's been a change and um the mindset against farming is increasing.
01:01:49
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It's increasing as the years go by. But um for the older generation, most of them do not see anything wrong with it. I have a close friend here born in Britain. Both her parents are Chinese and there's a lot of presumptions that Chinese people all support eating dogs. So that's a Chinese practice. And according to my friend, she was like, you know, my parents, her parents are quite old.
01:02:15
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They would support it, similar to what you're speaking about, freedom. But she was like, you know, if you go to China and speak to young people, again, like people's views can and do change. And she tells me that her awareness of China is that most young people aren't in favour of that.
01:02:35
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So the young people give us hope. Yeah, it's interesting you mention about the dog farming there, Dominic, because we've covered quite a lot in the last couple of years on the show as Korea has moved away from dog farming being legalised and there being some controversy over the compensation that is being awarded to dog farmers in recognition of the fact that their livelihood, often generations old livelihood,
01:03:05
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is going to no longer be legal. And that is the case in this story too. It says under this plan, Polish fur farmers who stop fur farming by next year, 2027, sorry, two years time, 2027, will get the highest level of compensation here, which is up to 25% of their average income over the last four years and then that amount of compensation will go down basically the later you come out of this i wonder what what what do we think of that is it a case of like wow it's coming to an end so fine we'll we'll overlook that or does that feel a bit ick that fur farmers are being paid off to stop i think it's probably a good thing
01:03:46
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to to pay them off. But actually, you know, they can carry on if they want to, to 2033, which does so still seem like an awful long way away, to be honest, doesn't it? Don't you think?
01:03:59
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So, i mean, 25% is only a quarter of what they would earn. And I wonder how many will take that because it yeah, it does reduce, doesn't it? that that You know, if they kind of carry on, then the then the amount reduces.
01:04:15
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so it is an incentive to to get them to reduce. And transition to something else, please. you know When you see that video that's on there, it's ah absolutely horrific. It's hard watching, isn't it, really? I agree with you in pragmatic terms, Kate. And I think if I was a Polish politician,
01:04:35
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I would probably accept, well, this is what we have to do to avoid riots or ah what have you. Because it was actually the backlash from farmers that seemed to be what stopped it going through last time. but um And this is not a... I'm being a bit disingenuous with this comparison I'm going to make because we live in a non-vegan world, but we also live in a world where things that are done against humans, whilst they do go on, think the the majority of people would say it's it's not okay.
01:05:05
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to to violate other humans. But if we were talking about human traffickers here and we were talking about paying them off to stop doing what they're doing, I don't think we'd think it was acceptable. That is illegal though, Anthony. Yes, yes. That is illegal. Yes, and this is going to be illegal.
01:05:20
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But not till 2033.
01:05:22
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I, like I say, I'm being disingenuous because I think if I was a Polish politician, I would just say, look, we're going have to pay them off to stop doing this. And and fine, that justifies it. But it is interesting, isn't it? How I can find myself saying that, whereas I absolutely wouldn't be able to utter the words if we were talking about human beings.
01:05:42
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You know what, listeners, you know what? If ever there was a good advert how wonderful the Enough of the Falafel podcast is, it is Anthony's, the embodiment of how how learned this person has become because Anthony sits here and he's just like oh yeah I remember when we talked about uh Korean dog farms and he's just all this knowledge you've gained from doing this podcast Anthony what a well-educated fellow you are and I think what I could have been doing instead hey
01:06:14
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I just want to remark about how weird we are as human beings, how very odd we are, you know, sort of wearing somebody else's skin as a fashion statement, you know.
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i mean, on the one hand, we're all kind of busy scraping off bits of unsightly hair, supposedly, unsightly bits of hair from various parts of bodies. And then on the other hand, we're putting on somebody else's hair. I mean, heart it's just...
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bizarre really um as well as horrendous but there we are why don't we just genetically modify ourselves to grow hair hows that for fear of going massively off topic uh most of the listeners know that i'm very much involved in the poetry scene and uh i know lots of very proudly hairy women who wear very, very little in the avant-garde poetry arts world. So there is another way. There is another way. There definitely is.
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Indeed, that was a cracking conversation and very much recommend you listeners to tune in for that one with the four of us. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Freedom. Thank you, Dominic. Thank you, Kate, for your contributions.
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