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217- What's the point of animal 'save' vigils?
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Every week, all around the world, people will 'bear witness' as animals are driven through slaughterhouse gates towards their completely unnecessary deaths. But why do people do this, and what benefits can there possibly be, if no animals are saved? And at what cost can these actions come? Ant, Carlos & Kate talk through their opinions & experiences of this type of activism.
For more info on the 'Save Movement', visit: https://thesavemovement.org/
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Introduction to Vegan Talk and Slaughterhouse Witnessing
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody. Now, is there any point watching animals be driven through the gates of a slaughterhouse? That's what we're discussing today. I'm Anthony and for this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Kate and Carlos.
00:00:16
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrr! Take your flat grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
00:00:28
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about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me. Hang on a minute. You always pick
00:00:44
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social injustice has connection with another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:59
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No I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hello everyone and welcome to Vegan Talk. This is Carlos and thank you so much for being here.
00:01:11
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Hi everyone, it's Kate here. This is an episode of Vegan Talk and it comes out every week. Each episode covers a different topic and there are a whole load of other topics going back into the past.
00:01:29
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that hopefully you might find interesting and they're they're always relevant. So yeah, have a little rummage and enjoy. Indeed, very much like a local bric-a-brac jumble sale of vegan philosophy and discussion.
00:01:46
Speaker
What are talking about today though?
Halloween Release and Frightening Realities
00:01:48
Speaker
Well, as we release this episode, it's I believe We're recording this a bit in advance, but think this one is coming out the day before Halloween.
00:01:57
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And to to be a bit serious, there is little more scary than the thought of your impending death going through the gates of a slaughterhouse and being the the horrible end product of that horrible animal agriculture.
00:02:13
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system that obviously as vegans we are so very against.
The Save Movement's Mission to Witness and End Animal Exploitation
00:02:17
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There is a group called the Save Movement. There might be others who do similar things to the Save Movement who are not part of that organization but but do similar things who will bear witness when this happens. They will stand together just outside the gates and ask permission to for the the trucks or or whatever vehicle is is carrying those animals to just pause for a minute or two to, like I say, bear witness is the phrase often used, but it might involve taking photos, taking a video, offering some last comfort, possibly some water to these animals before their ultimate fate of
00:02:59
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of being killed at the hands of animal agriculture is realized a few hours or even minutes later. I'm just going to read a little bit from the Save Movement website. I'm taking it from the about section but there'll be a link in the show notes you can read more about them. um They say their mission is to bear witness at animal vigils outside slaughterhouses to end animal exploitation and suffering.
00:03:26
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ah They say their vision is an equitable, eco-friendly, vegan world for the animals, the planet and health. There is then a section that says approach and that's a bit chunkier which I'll read from now.
Love-Based Network and Grassroots Activism
00:03:38
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They say, we are a love-based global network of chapters that defines itself through were tolstoyen and gandian approach to grassroots activism and social change we take an anti-speciesist stance and are against all forms of discrimination and depression We return love for hate and believe that ending violence and oppression must be done with compassion and kindness for all.
00:04:07
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We engage in non-violent communication as a unique and powerful process for inspiring compassionate connection and action. One of our main objectives is mobilising people to become grassroots activists and organisers with expanding team leadership, a concept informed by the work of Cesar Havertz and the United Farm Workers.
00:04:31
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The theory of momentum-driven organising suggests mobilising at least 3.5% of the population in non-violent direct action and persuading majority public opinion for there to be major progress in the goals of achieving social change.
00:04:48
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there's a bit of background as to how they're trying to achieve things, what the the ethos is, but the main thing that we're going to focus our conversation on today is this act of attending a vigil,
00:05:02
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an animal save. that The latter can be a bit confusing because there are sort of saves where people will go into a say a chicken barn and and literally save animals.
Kate's Emotional Vigil Experience at Cranswick
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That's not what we're talking about.
00:05:13
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We're talking about the process of of being outside the gates of a slaughterhouse as those animals are brought in and and either just watching yourself and or offering some comfort and or documenting the process.
00:05:30
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Kate, would you be happy to kick the ball off here on this discussion? Because I believe you've been to such a vigil reasonably recently. Yeah, I have, and I shall be going again.
00:05:43
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um So I've been to a vigil outside of Cranswick pig slaughterhouse, and it's the one where Joey Carbstrong got in with some of his people to lay video recording equipment, little were cameras in the gas chambers of the the slaughterhouse.
00:06:05
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It was a great honour to stand next to somebody who used to work in the slaughterhouse. I was initially quite overcome and shocked with it all because it's one thing knowing and It's another thing actually being there and looking at the animals. And, you know, I frequently go past fields of pigs, often stop and chat to them.
00:06:35
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But, you know, to see them there is and and then watch them being driven into the actual behind the gates, what have you, is, yeah, it can be quite overwhelming.
00:06:50
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Would you be happy to give us so sort of the most vivid picture you can of as to what is involved when you're at such an event? So you've you've given us some details there, but kind of kind of paint paint the picture, like how many other people are there? Like what's the what's the process?
00:07:07
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So the day I was there, was probably about 10, 12 people all rocking up. We were stood in an area that actually the sauce house people said we could stand. It it was right next to um this sort of way bridge where the lorries, they come along.
00:07:23
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they they're They're all timetabled. They come at a specific between specific time points. They come, they drive in, they park these massive lorries on this way bridge.
00:07:35
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And ah there are fence panels in the way in this particular slaughterhouse. And the guy that is in charge of us and in charge of the lorries coming in, weighing them, hey allow he allows us to move the panels nearer to the lorry so that we can then...
00:07:55
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sometimes using steps actually, because they're so high, kind of peer in at where the the the pigs in this case are. And the lorries are, they're like three storeys high, you know, and you can only obviously only see into the the bottom storey. And there's they're normally like kind of three truck bits joined together.
00:08:18
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You look in you see the poor animals clearly walking, very frightened, panting. And on the day I was there, hot, the water water dispensers weren't working.
00:08:31
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The fact that apparently there's a rule that it has to be over like, I don't know how many hours, three hours or something, and they don't have to be given any water, or something like that. Some of them, that that that there's like a fan that's supposed to be going. like They weren't always working. But you're with people, some of whom do it very regularly.
00:08:50
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And everyone's just looking out for each other. um And you kind of you can talk to the pigs. They don't like you giving them any water or putting your fingers through or anything like that.
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um It's an opportunity to photograph, film, because a part of it is having media that you can then share with other people afterwards.
00:09:16
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And then the the truck is there for like five, ten minutes. And then it where we are, it then crosses over the road. The gates open into the slaughterhouse and in they go.
00:09:27
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Every so often on the other side of the slaughterhouse, you might see lorries coming out. with the finished, inverted commas, products of the the the whole disgusting business. At the front of the building, there are all the offices looking out.
00:09:45
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You sometimes see workers walking past. And in between lorries coming on a regular, regular basis, activists that are standing holding placards with animals on. And there's a massive banner which says, this is a slaughterhouse.
00:10:05
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Because so many people have no idea that that's what this building is, that you wouldn't know necessarily from the front.
00:10:16
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that That's kind of roughly what my experience was. Anyway. Yeah. yeah No, thank thank you for that, Kate. That that was really vivid. And obviously it's very emotive subject as well. So thank you for conveying that.
00:10:30
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Carlos, this is not something that you have...
Carlos's Perspective on Emotional Challenges and Choices
00:10:33
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done before would you be happy to tell us a little bit of your understanding of this this concept and sort of how it's how the concept of it and and your learning about it has sort of interacted with your own stance on veganism animal rights activism that sort of thing well i am aware of it because i know um a few people who do it ah regularly it just It's just not for me.
00:11:03
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yeah I mean, not everything is for everybody. And this is not for me. because I don't think I could handle it emotionally. you know It's one thing to go sabbing, and you know you might you might see like like five foxes over a whole season of sabbing, and I've never seen a fox being killed, also because I'm doing my job, granted. But um it's it's not likely for me to see a fox being killed. Most sabs go through their whole sabbing career and never see a fox getting killed.
00:11:32
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They might have a fox killed while they're sabbing, but it will happen a kilometer away or they will see it after she's been killed. So it's not that likely. and And I think if I just saw these poor animals, especially kind of these higher cognitive function mammals like pigs, they know. i think they know what's going to happen or they have some sort of inkling of what's going to happen. I don't think I could handle it. emotionally and I think there's benefits for the save for the vigils because you know you do collect footage you might bring people along who are unsure about becoming activists and and you bring them to this thing which is very easy to take part in you know there's no risk of being arrested and there's no risk of you know having police smash your skull in or anything like that doing the vigil so it's very easy kind of
00:12:22
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starter activism to do you could just show up and just you know just be there so i think there's a real reason to do to do these vigils because they they might get these activists kind of to become more ardent activists you know kind of more motivated to go out and do other kinds of activism but for me i'm already doing activism i'm already a vegan i'm not going to go back there's an emotional toll in doing this which i don't want to take on amongst all the other emotional tolls I have to take on just living in a non-vegan world.
00:12:52
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and And then, of course, there's like no actual animals being saved. So I'd rather just put my kind of emotional and time efforts elsewhere.
00:13:03
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So that's why I don't do it. But I do recognize the value of it, though, for the reasons I mentioned and a few more, which I'm sure we'll come to. Yeah. Thank you for that, Carlos.
Anthony's Solo Vigil Experience
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I have been to a vigil. It was in Bristol, or just on the outskirts of Bristol.
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um And it was eight years ago. And I've been wondering when you've both been talking about your interaction with the concept, I'm wondering whether, that that there obviously are people who do this regularly. And in a sense, a concept like this can't exist unless there are going to be people who sort of hold the fort, if you like.
00:13:41
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But I'm interested in the fact that I've only done it once. It was very profound. i think, Kate, the description you've given of the experience is more or less exactly what what I experienced.
00:13:52
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I went alone in that I travelled alone, that when I arrived, there wasn't anybody there who I knew. And I think that was a bad idea because um um I'm going to contradict something you said slightly, Carlos, and I'm taking you literally and I know you didn't mean it like this, but I don't think it's an easy thing to do.
00:14:13
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and the that Weirdly, the first truck that came, I think I was sort of just preparing myself to be like massively moved and to be in tears or whatever. And there was...
00:14:25
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There was very little emotional response from me. But then the second one that came, there was just a a pig that was looking at me and no nobody else. And I just had this moment of like, oh, shit, I think I might be the last thing that that pig ever sees.
00:14:40
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and And I was in pieces and I'm not often moved to tears, but was. And I was just on this random lay by in Bristol, surrounded by, yes, surrounded by lovely vegans, but I didn't know any of them. And i was just like, what the hell am I doing?
00:14:54
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And it's not for that reason i haven't returned because actually like it was an incredibly um motivating is is almost a bit too superficial a word, but it it gave me a real drive or it it continued the real drive that I was having.
00:15:11
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feeling at that time to to really do something for for the animal rights cause. And in in fact, myself and my wife at the time, like we sold our house and started a vegan cafe within like six months of this experience, not directly because of it, but because of the feeling and and experiences like that.
00:15:31
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So it was very profound. And like you say, Carlos is definitely not for everybody, but I'm i'm interested, Kate, you so you said, i will go back. I'm interested in what's that speaking to, that that that motivation, that desire to go back?
Impact of Vigils on Public Awareness and Advocacy
00:15:47
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Because you've got the footage. you know You don't need to go back for the footage. As Carlos says, you're not going to be say actually saving any of those animals. Their their fate is is sealed, unfortunately.
00:15:58
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So what's what's calling you back? A few things, I think. Solidarity with the people that turn up time after time after time after time. And because I know that the more people that do go, bigger the impact it has on people driving past.
00:16:16
Speaker
I mean, this particular place you know, it's on a main road, loads of people going past. You get some people, you know, kind of gesturing, you know, rude signs at you. But the ah yeah there are loads of people like waving, hooting, you know, and all of that.
00:16:34
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And I wasn't there last time. But apparently, mum and daughter who was about 16, pulled over and just said, Oh, what's going on here?
00:16:44
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They said, Oh, this is a slaughterhouse. It's a big slaughterhouse. And the truck drove up. They said, Oh, can we come and see? They went, Yeah, course you can. And apparently the mum was in absolute pieces, was crying and saying, oh, i ah no, I eat sausages, i eat bacon, eat, you know.
00:17:05
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And the daughter was like totally galvanised. Right, I'm coming, I'm going to i'm goingnna start helping, I'm going to start. But, you know, im i'm hoping, I'm guessing that the daughter at least went vegan on the spot.
00:17:19
Speaker
Do you what I mean? and And probably the mum as well. So, you know, two more advocates. i I think collecting the footage again, sharing the footage again.
00:17:32
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had so many people sharing what I wrote, sharing the the pictures. I think... it makes It kind of shakes people out of their kind of comfort zone. that that they i I think the slaughterhouse hate it They don't want people stood there drawing attention to themselves. The whole system works.
00:17:57
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because it's completely under the radar, preys on innocent animals. It preys on people who are kind of on the edge of society, perhaps, sometimes, or, you know, there's so many people who are immigrants because...
00:18:12
Speaker
Majority people do not want to work in a slaughterhouse. It's just the most horrible thing. People are victims too. And it does and it I feel it its really does galvanise me to be a better advocate.
00:18:26
Speaker
So although the following day i went into Tesco, I just A, wanted to cry the whole time after having seen Tesco lorries drive out of this flipping slaughterhouse.
00:18:38
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and B, just wanted to go around and shout at everybody as well, when that kind of calmed down a bit. I think for me personally, it has given me, I don't know that I did need any extra oomph, but honestly, I i just, and I've also, I've been lent a book by ah a lovely friend of mine. It's called Every 12 Seconds.
00:19:02
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industrialised slaughter and the politics of sight by somebody called Timothy Pacharat, who's actually a professor, think at Yale, who went and worked in the slaughterhouse for about three months.
00:19:16
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And it's about the whole system and how it works on... being hidden within society and even within the actual slaughterhouse system, people's discrete jobs are hidden from each other as well.
00:19:31
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People in one part don't know what people in the other part are doing. And I just think to stand outside the front there and point out this is a slaughterhouse to people, you know, it's it's kind of smashing a little chink in their armour.
00:19:50
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i I'm happy to help do that. o Yes, no, that that makes a lot of sense. Carlos, I was editing one of our shows the other day and you you you made a really excellent point that was, in a sense, what we're talking about when we're talking about animal agriculture and animal oppression and animal use.
00:20:11
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It is an upsetting issue. So to to sort of say from ah maybe a a non-vegan point of view, oh, well you're just upsetting me or you know you you shouldn't upset me, it's kind of missing the point that that this is an upsetting thing. And in a sense, we can be overprotective of people from being upset.
00:20:32
Speaker
At the same time, there is surely a risk with activism like this that an already galvanised activist goes along to something like this and is really adversely affected for for quite some time. I mean, Kate, you touched upon it there there. There's a big risk of that. I will speak to my experience. This is no criticism.
00:20:56
Speaker
of the animal save that I went to but there was no no vetting or no kind of like warning in in in a sense do you think that's something like if we're serious about the longevity of of activism and activists we need to be doing carefully like do we need to be exercising caution with this Yeah, the you know it's it's almost like ah those warnings before movies, isn't it?
00:21:20
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Or or some piece some some things on the news. Viewer discretion is advised. And vigil attendance discretion is advised.
Need for Emotional Support and Structured Roles for Activists
00:21:29
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and But it definitely vigil work should, it involves suffering with witnessing suffering.
00:21:37
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And, you know, there needs to be structures being built or some kind of protocol for emotional support and kind of debriefing after it. And, um, you know, rotate, maybe rotate the roles and, you know, make sure people are not going every week or every day.
00:21:53
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and um and you know, also also open other ways for people to contribute to, the if they want to get involved with vigils, maybe they can contribute without attending. Like, for example, being somebody who everybody sends their images and videos to and that person posts them on social media or creates the posts.
00:22:11
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So that way they can contribute without having to attend. So it's important to kind of create ah well for people if they you know if they the one expose themselves to this sort of thing. Because let's let's face most our activism is easier to do week in and week out than this one.
00:22:27
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When I said it was easy, it was kind of easy know in terms of logistics, right? Because yeah yeah of course there's slaughterhouses everywhere, so there'll be a local slaughterhouse for people.
00:22:39
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You don't have to wear any special equipment. You don't have to you know perform. You don't need any training to do a vigil in that sense. you're not going to get your car smashed in. yeah.
00:22:49
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but But maybe there should be some training in terms of how to handle the emotional impact of doing it. I mean, ka Kate, would we're we're obviously, you know, between the three of us, we've we've been to two of these things literally ever. So was a very small sample size. But I wonder whether my experience was consistent with yours in that, yes, there were caring people there, but i I think it would be very easy for somebody to go and for this to affect them for days and weeks afterwards and otherwise.
00:23:22
Speaker
it would be easy to slip through the net and is is that how we inadvertently create you know introverted agoraphobic vegans or or extremely angry vegans that that want to smash up butcher shops and perhaps even do so am am i but am i um being a hypochondriac here no no no it was definitely definitely angry vegans well and i can understand it but who who were taking part or one person but you know i can I can understand hugely but and if that isn't helping that person if they are really really so angry that you know they're then driving themselves ridiculously that then I think you know perhaps that might be the sort of person that is going to burn out and there are certainly people that I know that are
00:24:15
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so gentle so i don't want to say fragile no that's not the right word I don't know what the word is but I just think no that person is going to be really badly affected for quite some time so it is definitely not for everybody don't know about you Anthony but it took me ages to get the guts or get the courage I should say for me to go because I didn't know if I was the sort of person that could would be okay there.
00:24:44
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But i was with some I was with some super brilliant, kind, loving people that absolutely looked out for me. So also, don't go on your own like you did.
00:24:56
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Yeah, and no, that was foolish. That really was... um but Because you don't know how you're going to respond. and And like, in in a sense, you know, i I drove the best part of an hour down to Bristol to be be part of this.
00:25:09
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I could have been incredibly angry. I was incredibly sad. I could have also had a really sort of disassociative numb response. And in a sense, that would have been quite weird to then live with for the hour or so drive back like I've just seen all these pigs go to their death and I didn't feel anything like I thought I was meant to care whatever so so definitely attending with somebody else Definitely, because you don't know, especially driving yourself back if you've never been before, you know, not necessarily a good idea.
00:25:41
Speaker
Especially, you know, um and not our journey home coincided following and empty lorry. And it just made me think, I'm going home, but they're not.
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah there's an awful lot to kind of process and think about while you're there and afterwards, for sure. yeah I'll say, though, this would be, a you know, since we have such limited experience on this call, it would be great if our listeners who have been to Vigil's would get in touch with us on the
Encouraging Listener Participation and Experience Sharing
00:26:09
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mailbag.
00:26:09
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ah That would be yeah amazing. Absolutely. And in fact, we know we have regular listeners from Toronto in Canada where this movement sort of officially ah started. If you go onto the Save Movements website, there's a sort of chronology of how this started.
00:26:26
Speaker
movement evolved from from sort of about 2010 onwards. Very interesting. I remember following this as it was happening around about 2015 and couple of subsequent years. There's a ah brilliant podcast that doesn't no longer releases episodes called The Bearded Vegans. You can find them on your favorite podcast provider. And if you go back to their episodes around about 2015 and the couple of years thereafter,
00:26:55
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There was a big legal case because the Toronto pig save got into a lot of legal bother in that they were offering water to pigs. It was like you were describing, Kate, a very hot day.
00:27:08
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And they were just trying to give them a tiniest bit of comfort on the worst day of their lives before the the the final moment of their lives. And basically the the company that sort of, quote, owned The pigs were saying that, well, this isn't okay. You're interfering with our property, you know, blah, but blah.
00:27:26
Speaker
Anyway, long story short, spoiler alert, um the the charges were dropped, deeming that compassion is not a crime. But the judge regressively ruled that pigs are property under law. So that bit kind of...
00:27:42
Speaker
It didn't change. I mean, it it was never going to, I suppose, really, was it? But it's it's a very interesting movement. It's, I think, probably compared, possibly in the same way that but hunt sabs, there aren't thousands of hunt sabs across the country, but actually it's relatively well-known throughout the movement, I suppose, proportional to the number of people doing it, it gets a a reasonable amount of coverage. Obviously more would be better, but I i wonder whether it's the same with these animal saves. Like i I don't think there's, you know, thousands of these across the world, but because they're so evocative, you do often see footage of them, don't you, one yeah on your social wall and what have you. Yeah, and it's one ah one form of activism where you can and are encouraged to record your actions.
00:28:33
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because it's Because it's all on the wrong on the right side of legality, isn't it? And if, for example, if you're doing outreach, you might not want to record a conversation with a stranger, person might not want to be featured, but or you know other forms of direct action which involve trespassing or you know damaging property.
00:28:49
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You don't want to make too big a fuss of it, but vigils... that's one of, you know, it's making the invisible visible. So you do want to bring attention to it. So it's it's sort of overrepresented in social media for the amount of people doing it, which is fine.
00:29:04
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I want all all vegan stuff to be overrepresented. Yeah, absolutely. You've got to make people sick of it. yeah Everybody thinks that there's like millions of vegans everywhere just kind of doing stuff.
00:29:16
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yeah but Yeah, very true. I just wanted to air another kind of tip, I suppose, for anybody who has not attended something like this, thinks it might be something that they would be interested in, could could have that that galvanizing effect or or to just offer some accompaniment, I suppose, to sentient beings going through ah a heck of a time.
00:29:37
Speaker
I've said that i you know I drove a little way to to go somewhere that was where this was happening. That was quite deliberate in that there was a closer one, but I didn't want to attend a vigil somewhere that I would be regularly driving past because I was worried that it it it really would traumatise me and upset me.
00:29:55
Speaker
Similarly now, I mean, it's not a slaughterhouse, but i I've just moved house to a village where there is a muller plant And i've I've sort of thought, oh, I could do it. Such a lot of activism there. But actually, I probably don't want to do it on my doorstep because actually I live in a village. And do do do I want to be, you know, typecast as the stereotypical angry vegan? That's not to say, oh, therefore, I should do no activism.
00:30:19
Speaker
But actually, there's a muller plant or there's a slaughterhouse much further down the road that that could that could remove an obstacle for for folks. So definitely go with someone else. But you could consider, I know it's not the most eco-friendly thing to suggest, but actually, there could be an advantage to doing it somewhere a little further away from home for for some folk.
00:30:39
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And there are also there are quite a few different sorts of slaughterhouses, aren't there? Because there's some that specialise in chickens or pigs or whatever. you And then you get some that have all kinds of animals, you know, pass through.
00:30:54
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um plus, of course, I mean, where I was, where the the one I went to you couldn't hear the animals once they were inside, which I think that probably would have finished me off once and for all, to be honest.
00:31:10
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But I know there are some where where you can hear the animals. And i think that's probably much harder for people as well so and i don't know yeah anyway i just thought I'd mention that again we're speaking without necessarily knowing the details of every single event like this but that there would usually be for for events like this someone that you could contact in advance to ask questions ah ah of these things beforehand and obviously don't
00:31:42
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Don't agree to go to something if if you've got unanswered questions or there are, you know, key factors that you need to make informed consent about before you before you go.
00:31:52
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Thank you, Kate. And thank you, Carlos.
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Really fantastic to to hear your views on an emotive subject. When's the next episode out, Carlos? The next episode will be available from Monday, the 3rd of November.
00:33:23
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It will be a Vegan Week episode, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode.
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