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223- Mailbag Episode #9: (deliberately) accidentally (not) vegan butter for sale!
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Julie, Dominic & Ant read through the mailbag & read your emails in this episode, featuring discussions about Instagram account takeovers, vegan cats & dogs, anti-greyhound racing campaigns and clarification on the Hunting Act. This episode is sponsored by the Neil Awareness Board, increasing visibility of all Neils across the globe ;)
To feature on our next mailbag episode, or to get in touch in general, send us a message via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Talk podcast, we aim to develop listeners' (& our own) thoughts around key issues affecting veganism & the animal rights movement; giving our opinions, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we home in on one topic in particular and pick it apart in more detail. If you have a suggestion for a future show, do get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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Dominic, Julie & Anthony
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Transcript
Introduction to the Ninth Mailbag Episode
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody, yes it's here. It is our mailbag episode number nine. It's the ninth time that we have given over a whole episode to read out your emails and correspondence. Who are we?
00:00:13
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Well, I'm Anthony and for this episode of Vegan Talk I'm also joined by Dominic and Julie. I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble.
00:00:25
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That's not what butter's used for. Brrr! Take your lab-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry? They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is
Timelessness of Vegan Week Episodes
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me.
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Hang on a minute. You always pick the...
00:00:48
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social injustice has connection another that's just what people think vegans eat anyway as long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all right does veganism give him superpowers no i cannot fly around the city i don't have laser vision Hello everybody, it's Julie here.
00:01:11
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Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you very much for joining us. Oi, oi, oi, oi, oi. Hello, it's Dominic here. This is Vegan Talk.
00:01:22
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ah So enough of the falafel do two different flavours. We've got our Vegan Week where we talk about the news, but Vegan Talk... is a more universal topic. And you can go back and listen to all the previous episodes, timeless podcasts, which are available in your podcast feed. Indeed they are. I'm wondering what flavour this discussion is going to be. I'm hoping for maybe sort of savoury, spicy, but not too hot because I'm a bit
Importance of Listener Contributions
00:01:52
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of a wimp. Anyway, this is one of our mailbag shows. These are really important to us because one of the big things, and I'm going to say it's a relatively unique thing, about our Enough of the Falafel Collective is that we're a group of just everyday people. None of us are claiming to be celebrities or, well, I mean, Dominic's rather famous in my view, but you know um we're we're not claiming to be the authority on veganism or you know we're not here saying, well, of course you'll all know who I am. We just go by our first names. We don't give any introductions.
00:02:26
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We just talk about the things that are important to us as people who are vegans. However, we know that lots of you who are part of our community don't really want to sit behind a microphone and get your views out hearing your voice. Oh, it can feel a bit funny, people hearing your voice, can't it?
00:02:44
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However, that doesn't mean that your voice is any less important. So if you've got something to say, or if you want to make a comment on something that one of us has said, we're desperately keen to hear it.
00:02:56
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and Enough of the falafel at gmail.com. is the place to get us on. We have got an Instagram account and a Facebook, and I think there might be a TikTok, but that was back when I thought I had more time than I actually do. But I've definitely got time to read your emails, and that is what we're going to do in this show.
00:03:13
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We've got three. They're perfectly formed, and Julie is going to read the first
Neil's Vegan Journey and Greyhound Racing
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one. Okay, this one is from someone called Neil and he writes, just wanted to send you a quick email to say thank you for an excellent podcast.
00:03:29
Speaker
I listen weekly without fail and love the topics and discussions. I have learned a lot from your podcast. I've been vegan now for over five years and loving it.
00:03:41
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I still get angry and upset about certain topics but would never go back. Oh dear. and Could I also say Julie has a very soothing voice.
00:03:52
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Love it. Julie, you need to read the email. You can't just make bits up. I feel like I have to have a soothing voice now. Anyway, thank you. Do you want me to put some pan pipes over the top of this?
00:04:07
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Oh dear. Keep up the good work, guys. On another note, he goes on to say, I cannot see any episodes on greyhound racing unless I'm being blind.
00:04:20
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We have a lovely rescue greyhound who was rescued last year. They're lovely dogs and don't deserve the abuse they get from the greyhound racing industry.
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Our dog was taken off the track at three years old as he collided with a dog at full speed. Luckily no injuries but has spooked him a lot. He is still a little anxious but he seems so much happier now with his new family.
00:04:48
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I'm currently writing to MPs to try and get this cruel entertainment banned. I know it's banned in a lot of countries now and feel very strongly about this topic.
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A lot of petitions have gone to the Parliament but they just seem to come back with the usual avoiding the point and... We'll better the animal welfare for these dogs.
00:05:12
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They were made to run in 35 degree centigrade heat over the summer. Is that good welfare? I think not. I would also like to point out that our dog is fully vegan.
00:05:27
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Another topic that I feel could be discussed on the show, vegan dogs and cats. Again, it could have been covered. Our greyhound has great teeth, bright eyes and a soft coat and loves his food.
00:05:43
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Also, his breath and farts do not smell, unlike dogs on a meat diet. I am working through old shows and love the old episodes you put in while you were all taking a break.
00:05:57
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Thanks again, Neil. wow Nice one. Thank you for that email,
Upcoming Episodes on Greyhound Racing and Vegan Pets
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Neil. and And yeah, and all those brilliant bits and lovely to hear that the greyhound that is in your life seems to be having a much happier life now that you have been able to support them.
00:06:15
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So you are not missing anything. We have not had a dedicated episode on Greyhound Racing, nor have we had a dedicated episode on vegan dogs and cats.
00:06:29
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They are both now on our little episode schedule. um And particularly fastidious listeners might have noted that our vegan talks, we're were about a month ahead in our recording so that this episode that you're hearing now, we we recorded at least a month before you're hearing it, depending on when you're downloading it.
00:06:49
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um But to just to say, Neil, that both of those topics are going to be covered in a dedicated episode, ah an episode for each of them in the coming months. So keep your ear to the ground for that one. And we thank you very much for the suggestion.
00:07:06
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Dominic, if I can come to you we have covered... greyhound racing and its impending ban in Scotland, in Wales, and I feel like in Northern Ireland as well, the kind of negative news there is that out of all the countries that make up Great Britain and Northern Ireland, England is the country with by far the most active tracks, and that is the country where there's been no real signs of of progress coming from from parliament and and big bills saying oh yes this is actually gonna go on the way out but nonetheless do you do you think there is hope for it in in the near future or or is it too embedded for us to hope for that in the next few years i do hope so and i do hope so i think we were talking on one of our news stories weren't we about how many um
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sea aquarium sort of entertainments with dolphins and and the like are closing and how we we hope that that will spill into uh conversations about things like horse riding and indeed greyhounds yeah I have been out to a comic book fair today and Neil, firstly, congratulations on being vegan for over five years. That's wonderful. Congratulations on ah sharing your home with what what sounds like a you know wonderful companion with your greyhound.
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One the comic books I found today is a comic book called clear run by local artists, so an independent comic book, Art 92 Comics.
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It's all about greyhounds. It's all about them. ah The second issue is ah about like life with the greyhound. It's all very um sweet and homely and cosy. The first one really goes into gruesome detail about greyhound racing and was really well drawn, really sobering, really on the nose.
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and uh i don't know if the artist is a vegan artist i don't know that um she just goes by her first name helena and i do think that they're they're really worth checking out it's something that i was um surprised to see in that much detail the realities of the greyhound racing so barely exposed. It was a great piece of art.
00:09:31
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I've got to say, like, I really think we we must get there at some point in the next 20 or 30 years. It really, to me anyway, fit and I know I don't know much about anything, but I feel like it must be on the cusp in, you know, in large doses of of gratitude to to work for Such as that, that that Neil is is doing and other people, you know, petitioning things and and artwork like you're describing,
Transitioning Pets to a Vegan Diet
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Dominic. like there's I don't know what the statistics would be if such a study has been done, but I can't imagine there's many people who want it.
00:10:09
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It's people who call themselves dog lovers who go to watch the dogs, people who call themselves horse lovers who go to watch it. So that's why I did think this this particular comic book did such a great job, because I could really imagine someone who called themselves an animal lover, who was going to the dogs because they say they love dogs, ah being affected by it. I thought it was a really good vehicle for for sharing this information. Because that's what we need, isn't it? People to get the...
00:10:38
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blinkers. ah And you know, I've said it on previous things, I'm not pointing fingers. I know how I was when I was a vegetarian, how I was when I was a meat eater. I remember it really, really well. And I required a bit of um a bit of ah blinker lifting. Yeah, yeah. I like like like the use of blinkers there. That feels on point, Dominic.
00:10:59
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It's got to be on the way out Greyhound Racing. It's got to be. Julie, ah Neil also mentioned vegan dogs and cats. And obviously from his email, we can hear that his his dog follows a completely plant-based diet.
00:11:14
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Am I being too soft if I'm saying I can understand why somebody who is not vegan, who has a ah dog or cat in their life, who then becomes vegan,
00:11:26
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might find switching over their companion animal's food harder, perhaps, than switching over their own food. They might be thinking, oh gosh, is this the right thing to do Even if they know ah of a few studies that suggest it might be okay, like it's it's so hard to know what to do on the behalf of ah an animal that can't use the same verbal language as us to communicate their wishes. Or am I being a big softie there?
00:11:56
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No, don't think you're being a big softie. I know I was in that situation myself. I i had a rescue cat come into my life.
00:12:07
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In fact, yes, I had one already. And then I had another one come into my life literally at the time I went vegan. So, yes, it's a ah pertinent point.
00:12:18
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I think we owe it to the animals and to ourselves and our own integrity. to at least try to persuade these animals in our lives to accept a different diet and to do it gradually.
00:12:32
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I don't believe that humans need to do it gradually. they They do. Humans need the baby steps sometimes and the transitioning and the journey and all of that. ah You know, that's in their head, but their guts can cope.
00:12:49
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But and something like a cat or a dog, I do believe that when you, and I know with sheep for sure, that if you want to make changes to their diet, it has to be gradual. So I think, yeah, it's definitely beholden on us, I think, as people who respect the lives of all animals to do our very best to have the animals that are within our care.
00:13:19
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making that transition as well to, you know, a lifestyle where they are not unwitting recipients of the products of abuse against animals.
00:13:30
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So that's what I did with my cats. I just gradually moved them over to wet and dry cat food that was fully vegan. Just did it in stages and and that's what happened.
00:13:43
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But my cats roamed around outside so they still fulfilled their natural behaviours and both of them still hunted and ate mice and things like that yeah i was criticised for allowing that to happen I was fine with that happening that is them doing their natural animal thing that's what they do they didn't do a lot they certainly got enough to eat but they had hunting instincts and they followed them what was the critique there though Julie like how how how exactly ah are those who are critiquing your actions there. what What are they suggesting you do? Oh, keep my cats as indoor cats.
00:14:24
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Well, there is a big like there are big arguments why a lot of people really believe that the only safe cat is a house cat.
00:14:34
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There is all kinds of leafleting saying that it's cruel to let cats go outside. because there's so much danger that it's cruel to birds and whatnot. There's a lot of people who've written a lot of things about that.
00:14:50
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I do understand that some people end up with cats who, you know, maybe they've not... chosen to live with this companion animal, but maybe it's been from a a mother or an aunt or an uncle or granddad or whatever, and they they're in a city and it's really, really difficult for them.
00:15:08
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I am a big advocate of cats going outside. I don't think it's the best thing for cats to be indoors. And I also agree with Julie lee that if a cat goes outside, it will be hunting. It will be. And of course, that's completely different to a farm's life of an animal who is always age who is, you and that's a really difficult animal. It's like, you know, i' sorry, that's a really difficult argument to get across to non-vegans because it's the whole, but lions eat meat and that's one of our big barriers, isn't it? So I do understand
00:15:44
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I don't accept and I don't respect, but I do understand non-vegan struggling with the concept of a vegan saying it's different, a cat eating a mouse.
00:15:57
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Don't get me wrong. I still feel really sorry for that mouse. I mean, you know, my, my mum lives with a cat and, you know, I will do everything to, to, to sort of discourage, you know, uh,
00:16:09
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ah you know, rodents being caught. But what goes on outside is part of the world as much as is possible uninterrupted by human interference. That is animals being animals living in a way free from our pestering, which is the best way for them.
00:16:31
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Again, that's a big thing to get over to people that actually, you know, animals don't need people. They don't need people. Yeah, quite. Amen
Listener Corrections on UK Hunting Laws
00:16:40
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to that. Goodness. Well, thank you for that email, Neil. It doesn't take much to get us gathering away, does it? And we're very grateful for their stimulus there.
00:16:49
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um So yes, thank you for the email and thank you for your continued support for our work. Lovely stuff. Well, the last Mailbag episode, we had two consecutive emails from people called Shane.
00:17:01
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Now, in that instance, that was Shane who now records with us on the show and it was the same person. But in this mailbag special, we have got two consecutive emails from somebody called Neil, but it's some bodies called Neil because the next one Dominic is going to read out is from a different Neil. This is a Neil who has emailed us before. So we're we're lucky enough to have received multiple emails from Neil number two, I'm going to call him for the sake of this email, or we could call him Neil what knows Julie.
00:17:34
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you see Dominic, do you want to read the email? Scottish Neil, no one wants to be the second one. there so you ah First and worst, second and the best, isn't it? That's that's what we always used in the playground.
00:17:49
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think that's just what people like us who weren't naturally good at sports at school used to say. I don't think it's true. All right, let's see what Scottish Neil's got to say. He says, hi, just a wee note to point out that with reference to episode 199, 20 years of the UK Hunting Act. Where are we now?
00:18:08
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There is no UK Hunting Act. i hope you don't mind my pedantry. It comes from many, many years of people talking as if England and the UK are the same thing.
00:18:21
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If you lived here, i would imagine you would feel the same. And within the podcast, Mark says that the Hunting Act came in law in 2005 in the yeah UK, with the exception Northern Ireland, although he does point out later that Scotland has its own parliamentary and legal system.
00:18:38
Speaker
Keep up the podcast. You're doing so much for the animals. Best wishes, Neil. FYI, the acts of relevance within the UK are Scotland Protection of Wild Mammals, Scotland Act 2002. This became law in March of 2002. It was repealed and replaced by Hunting with Dogs, Scotland Act 2023, which became law in ah what's the 10th month, October 2023.
00:19:10
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ah England and Wales has the Hunting Act 2004, which became law in February 2005. Well, thank you for that email, Neil. There is no need to apologise for pedantry. We are all about accuracy here. At least we try to be and we... We achieved that even more with our listeners' help ah picking up the scraps of the bits that we didn't quite get right first time.
00:19:34
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And yeah, ah I'll apologise on ah Mark's behalf. I'm sure he wouldn't want to generalise by her making Scotland and England and the UK all sounding like the same thing.
00:19:47
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Julia, you don't know anything about people assuming that, you know, Scotland and England and the UK are the the same thing. Do you at all? yeah yeah i You've got some, let's say, hands-on or practical knowledge of hunting laws in Scotland and England and how they are a bit different. We have covered this on the pod before. You have given us this information. But could you give us just a quick potted in lay terms, like the difference between hunting?
00:20:18
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someone that wants to hunt or someone that wants to stop a hunt in the respective countries like what are the differences oh hey ah oh dear the legislation's hugely complicated and there's tons of exceptions they would drive you mad to even look at one of the laws but um basically my very very basic understanding is that in scotland let me get this right you cannot trail hunt in Scotland at all.
00:20:50
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You can in England. Your laws are older than ours because our a Hunting with Dogs Act is only a couple of years old, as you'll see from Neil's email. Our legislation is more recent.
00:21:03
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and it's a bit more thorough in what you're not allowed to do but not a lot because there's tons of exceptions you know the management of foxes underground you're allowed to hunt with dogs doing that the management of wild mammals above ground you're allowed to do that if it's to reduce or relieve suffering that you're allowed to do that if it's controlling foxes. You what mean?
00:21:32
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It's just crazy there's so many loopholes. and So that's the Scottish one. um In these instances, though, you can't use more than two dogs is my understanding. And The thing that people are doing now that is legal is called hunting the clean boot, which is using not sight hounds like a foxhound is, but using bloodhound type of dog that is going purely on scent.
00:22:01
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And well, actually, foxhounds use scent as well, don't they? But anyway, these bloodhounds are very, very sensitive And you don't need to be trailing scented rags anywhere. You just have people running a route and the bloodhounds will go after them.
00:22:17
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So that's hunting the clean boot. They do that in Scotland. They don't do trail hunting here. In England, people can trail hunt. And that is when there are packs of dogs and people on horses and they're following a scent that is from an animal, which, of course, because these dogs are actually trained to go after foxes, they will go after a fox if they get on the scent of one or a deer or anything else.
00:22:42
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So they quite often end up just hunting, hunting deliberately or otherwise. But yeah, I'm not the person to ask. I find that the legislation just sends me to sleep when I try and look it up. Yes, but for a lot of us, we are lay people with next to no understanding of this. So any any foot on the ladder you can give us is is gratefully received. And you certainly did that then. and Thank you, Julie.
00:23:05
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Dominic, I consulted you like the the Oracle in Manchester, not in Delphi, but in Manchester in and the previous email, that previous Neil, to give him his official term, was...
00:23:18
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but was asking with regards to greyhound racing and the thought of that being banned a lot of talk about trail hunting being banned the labour government along with all their other promises have said that it's is going to be banned like do you feel like that's uh like can we take them at their word did do what's your money on is that going to happen in their next four years of office Oh my word, my money's never on our current Labour government. My disappointment is so great. You are correct that I am indeed the Oracle of Manchester, that is true, and I'm also the Oracle of West Wales, for that's where I grew up, so I also have some experience in recognising that there are some laws in... ah
00:24:04
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in places that aren't England but are in the UK that are different. I really don't know what's going to happen. It was a big part of my vegan journey to grow up in the Welsh countryside and have some experience of fox hunting and and badger baiting and to be deeply upset by this through my teenage years and hear of all the campaigns and all that teenage energy and hope and anger we we have, which we do well to hold on to, but it's so commonly found in teenagers. I thought that
00:24:46
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it would end in the 90s. So I really don't know. We always live in hope and and anger, you know. So yeah, I don't know. And I do really, really hope so. Yeah. Well, listeners, you're in a good place to hear developments on that because as you may know, we've got several of our contributors who are regular Hunt Sabs and we certainly like to report on developments, especially if they are going in the direction of trail hunting and other such insidious things being banned. Thank you for your email, Neil. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
Misleading Vegan Labels and Activism
00:25:23
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We've got one last email. I'm going to read it out quickly. It is only because it's short, not because I want to rush it. It is from Sam. Thank you, Sam. It reads as follows. Hi, enough of the falafel team.
00:25:34
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Thought it would be worth sharing that anyone following the accidentally vegan UK Instagram account They've been bought out by a non-vegan company and are advertising and selling non-vegan products.
00:25:50
Speaker
They are falsely using the vegan label. Thanks, Sam. Well, thank you for that one. Myself and my wife, Alex, had noted this news already, Sam, um but thank you for the prompt to share it with our wider community because, yes, it definitely caught me out when I saw on their their page, which has got over 300,000 followers on Instagram, um with a big pat of dairy butter being advertised under the account name, ah accidentally vegan UK. That post got a
00:26:24
Speaker
A heck of a lot of heat from a big number of vegans obviously following the page. Understandable. That one has been removed. But basically because, as Sam said, the the company have been bought out by a non-vegan company.
00:26:38
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ah Don't really want to name them, but what we ought to. it kiki.com k i i don't need to spell it you're not going to go on there you're not going to want to support them are you um but understandably lots of folk have been upset by this it's it's worth saying that this is not the same as the accidentally vegan facebook community i know a lot of our listeners will probably be part of that and that is not a commercial entity at all that's that's just ah ah Facebook group where people can post on things they found like Skittles and Oreos and things like that that are accidentally vegan.
00:27:13
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Let's come to you first, Dominic. You're often at vegan festivals and, you know, surrounding yourself by lots of happy or angry vegans. Has this news reached your ears before Sam shared it with you? Are all the vegans you know up in arms about this or is this a ah fringe thing? What do you think?
00:27:32
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I wasn't aware that a company had ah bought out Accidentally Vegans UK Instagram. i know that there's a really long Reddit ah with lots of vegans talking about it. And one one point that somebody made on there was that when Accidentally Vegan started, there was a lot less labelling going on. So now for all kinds of reasons, ah allergies, you know, things often are labelled vegans. I mean, and indeed, some of the and breakfast cereals that I've enjoyed for years, I've seen like, oh, gosh, that's really good that they i actually do now have vegan written on the the front of it. That's wonderful, wonderful to see. So I think the, yeah, the accidentally vegan, ah ah you know, the the the whole reason of it if is of its existence has changed.
00:28:32
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I know no one more more fiery and fantastic than Julie at talking about the importance of the accuracy of words.
00:28:44
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which as a poet who thrives on ambiguity and plays on words, it's kind of really important that when we're talking about something political, when we're talking about campaigning, that we do know the definitions of words. And this is where...
00:29:00
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you know talking about plant-based stuff or vegan stuff, the terms really, really matter. And I do think, this is my own personal opinion now, that it's ah part of the wider scope of of of muddying the waters of people not really knowing anything.
00:29:18
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what vegan is and yeah awful to have a butter advert because I would have presumed from there that it would have been like a vegan a vegan thing that it would have been a vegan ah replacement yes you know yes absolutely I mean it has to be said Julie like I know we can be a bit long in the tooth you know oh we've been vegan for many years now but but really we we can't be surprised that there are more examples of of companies that are not vegan exploiting the popularity of of veganism for for a quick buck can we? it's
00:29:57
Speaker
It's not surprising. you I find them all the time. i do a lot of my shopping online because I live in the country and I'm short of time so I don't go to shops very often. I buy stuff online and I have a particular interest in, you know, nice, vegan-friendly, natural products for my skin and for washing in and for giving to people's gifts and things like that.
00:30:27
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So I'm always keen to hear about companies, you know, with lovely products with integrity that are good for the planet and good for me and good for the animals, you know, these win-win-win situations.
00:30:41
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So yes, I am frequently quite excited. I'll find a new company I hadn't heard of and I'll look through their soaps and their body lotions or something and I will say, oh yes, yep yeah. Oh, it says vegan there and that's fine and they're using this ingredient, not an animal-based one.
00:30:59
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And without fail, regardless of whether they're saying yes and we're ethical, they call themselves ethical, cruelty-free, they will say vegan often.
00:31:10
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And without fail, I'll find something and it'll usually be honey or goat's milk. They are the two I get a lot of. And so I will then write to them and say, shame about the slaughterhouse products and the, you know, exploited bee ingredient there.
00:31:30
Speaker
You know, if it weren't for that, I'd be so happy to support your company and buy from you and all the rest of it. But where I have the choice, obviously I will always buy products from 100% vegan company. And it's really quite easy to do with a lot of stuff, even household cleaner, whatever. There are companies out there that are entirely plant-based with these things.
00:31:53
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And i get some real... interesting responses from people, very defensive, saying, oh, but, you know, there is no cruelty involved.
00:32:04
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It is goat's milk, but I visit my suppliers and there's no cruelty. Or, you know, oh, I would never use a supplier that was cruel to their animals.
00:32:17
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So, yeah, sometimes... We just have to agree to disagree and I just wish them well that they will become more enlightened. I did report one company to the Advertising Standards Agency because they said that their products were natural and ethical and all of their stuff was made with goat's milk.
00:32:40
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which is not natural for humans to be putting on our skin or doing anything with. We are not goats. And there's nothing ethical about raising animals to take their milk away and take their young away and kill their male offspring.
00:32:57
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So nothing ethical about that. The Advertising Standards Agency didn't do anything about it, unfortunately. But I won't give up. You know i mean? I will keep reporting things to them.
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But yeah, I think there is an enormous amount of misinformation and greenwashing and humane washing in the natural toiletries market.
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I yeah ah caught somebody the other not that long ago you know who had said on the sort of front of her website that you know vegan and there were some products in there that were not suitable for people who are vegan.
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And when I pointed that out, she said, all well, you know I'm busy. I don't have time to look at all of the stuff I put out there. I don't have time to get things right. Yeah, exactly that. So I said, well, it's the front of your website. I can send you a screenshot. I mean, it's pretty freaking obvious what you're trying to do here. She has changed it now.
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So, yeah, there's been companies that have changed their website and changed their descriptors of themselves. But they were getting away with it and hoodwinking people up until then. And I'm a bit fed up with them for it.
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But there you go. I don't buy from them.
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No, and kudos for calling them out. And yeah, I think even if if the Advertising Standards Agency don't actually do anything, if you if you can communicate to a company that actually you're being really misleading here, you've not followed up my suggestion, um it's inaccurate. And so...
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I'm reporting you to this agency part of me kind of squirms a little bit like oh that feels really naggy and complaining but actually we're advocating on behalf of animals here you know yeah I've had to explain the dairy industry to grown adults you know who are sort of in the business of sourcing ingredients for products and checking out the provenance and making claims about them and I've actually had to spell out the workings of the dairy industry that that goats don't actually just produce milk and spontaneously goodness me the education we need to do uh thank you julie thank you dominic and thank you sam for sending us in that email listeners i know you're gonna think after listening to this goodness i need to get my email in to get dominic and julie to comment on them
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And it features Aunt Dominic and Carlos. It's going to be a Vegan Week episode. So that's our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news.
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Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Julie. Thank you, Anthony, for all your contributions. And thanks again, everyone, for listening. I've been Dominic and you have been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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