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Mainstream Health Advice is Shortening Your Life w/ Ryan Minniti
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey folks, Christian Jordonov here. Thanks for joining us. Ryan Miniti is back on the show. Ryan, welcome man. Hey Christian, thanks for having me back on, man. So for those of you that don't know Ryan, he's an aging expert. Ryan, tell us more about your expertise.
00:00:20
Speaker
Well, I am currently 55 years old, but I look like I'm 27. So I have a lot of experience in getting people to look younger and be healthier. And it's all based on a low carb diet. As low carb as you can go. As we all know, carbs are the devil and they'll make you fat, sick and
Low Carb Diets and Nutrition Trends
00:00:41
Speaker
weak. Satan incarnate. I did say aging expert, not anti-aging experts.
00:00:50
Speaker
So there we go. So how we can age, how to accelerate the aging process.
00:00:59
Speaker
Well, I will say like I used to be on the low carb train. But, you know, as Christian, you pointed out a lot of people, Paul Saladino, and a lot of these types are now embracing carbs and eating, you know, 300 to 500 grams of carbs every single day. And
00:01:22
Speaker
you know a lot of it even like in Paul's case he's doing a lot of simple sugars like he's drinking fruit juice orange juice and these kinds of things so it's really been
00:01:35
Speaker
a journey, I mean, who knows, maybe in five years, we'll discover that that carbs are actually hurting our metabolic health. I mean, it seems these huge ships keep happening in in the nutrition community where it's like, Hey, man, we were starting to recognize that poof us or polyunsaturated fats are really, really bad for us.
00:01:59
Speaker
and so we want to embrace more fat and then so people lean into keto and they're doing like fat bombs and eating a whole stick of butter and like all of these kinds of things and then they kind of limit their carbs and people have a lot of success with that in the beginning but then you know they kind of hit a sticking point they don't really move maybe they lost 30 40 pounds and they keep trying to do keto eating this high-fat diet
Raw Meat and Nutrient Absorption
00:02:24
Speaker
and it just stops working at some point. And I was having a conversation with one of my buddies just the other day and he was like, oh, I think I'm gonna try a completely raw meat diet. And I was like, well bro, like that might work initially, right? Because we're going from a standard American diet
00:02:44
Speaker
to a whole food-based diet, obviously, you're gonna be healthier, right? But I've actually looked into the raw food side of things, especially meat and eggs, and I've come to the conclusion that you just don't get as much nutrient absorption when it's raw. What do you think about that, Christian? Actually, that's interesting that you say that. I was looking into it back in 2018,
00:03:15
Speaker
But lately, funnily enough, I have been actually eating more raw beef. So it's largely stemming from my desire to be extremely efficient with my time. So I wake up in the morning.
00:03:35
Speaker
Just this is the last few months, the last four months, when I was writing my book, I'd wake up in the morning. That could be as early as like 3am, not 3am, 3.30am to 4am, usually on average 5am. And I go into the living room, I get the coffee going.
00:03:52
Speaker
And then I take about three quarters of a pound of ground beef that's got collagen in there, some fat, and I defrost that underwater while I'm drinking my coffee in front of the red light therapy lamp.
00:04:10
Speaker
And then at some point in an hour or so, I'll have that. I might have some honey with it or before that or some juice or whatever, just to get some carbs into the system. Cause then the next several hours until my daughter wakes up and maybe even beyond, if my wife is not working, I'm just going to be like at the computer. I need my brain to work really well. So I've been to make the process faster. I just, I don't cook the meat. I just eat the beef raw. And to be honest with you, it feels like.
00:04:39
Speaker
I'm actually doing better with it raw because, from what I understand, when you heat a lot of protein around 50 degrees Celsius, you start to denature the protein. So it changes the structure. So it actually can become more difficult for our enzymatic processes to break it down. So when I eat raw meat,
00:05:05
Speaker
It feels like my, there's nothing in me, like almost like water. But if I didn't, let's say, cause my wife is not obviously that extreme. Let's say I do some, something like beef and rice for lunch. I can feel eating that beef that's been even lightly cooked the way I cook it. It feels like it sits in my stomach longer. Right. So I actually, and I've been drinking raw eggs this year, like every two, two days I'll have like two to four raw eggs. It's just another fast way because I also don't want to,
00:05:37
Speaker
oxidize the fragile polyunsaturated fats in them. And obviously certain water soluble vitamins are heat like labile. So when you cook beef or eggs, you are destroying some of the water soluble vitamins. The minerals should be intact. So to be honest with you, I think a mix of both, if you can tolerate raw
00:06:00
Speaker
I think a mix of both is good. You're kind of hedging your bets. You might be liberating more nutrients in certain ways and then destroying others. So it's like you're hedging your bets. Well, I had sent you that one study where they looked at cooked eggs versus raw eggs and it looked like the bioavailability
00:06:21
Speaker
of the raw eggs was around 50 to like 58%, whereas the cooked eggs, people were absorbing up to 90%. So that kind of stuck out to me as, okay, well, I guess raw eggs just aren't as bioavailable and you're not absorbing as much if you're consuming it raw.
00:06:43
Speaker
It's hard to say, I know for eggs, there's some compound that inhibits biotin absorption, so you don't want to just eat them, you know, it's in the egg whites, you don't want to just drink them raw all the time, because you might be messing with your biotin absorption from the eggs. But yeah, it's hard to say from, I believe, from what I've seen, not like my religious belief, but from what I've seen, I think
00:07:11
Speaker
I think raw should have better bioavailability if it's just regular meat. So you masticate, you break it down, the meat is in your stomach, you have your hydrochloric acid, you have your pepsin and those other enzymes, then you have further enzymes in the small intestine. So it seems like we are
00:07:35
Speaker
Given how acidic our stomach is, the pH is kind of like that of a scavenger. It seems like we are very suited to scavenging dead carcasses, eating them raw, and then having sufficient hydrochloric acid so that we don't get sick from whatever bacterial pathogens were developing on that rotting carcass.
00:07:57
Speaker
Okay. So you're, have you ever heard of a Junus Vander planets? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause you're, you're kind of saying exactly what he says. I call him a agent. I think that's a little bit cooler sounding like a key and peel kind of thing.
00:08:15
Speaker
Yeah. That's exactly what he talks about. He talks about eating raw meat and then he even talks about eating high meat like liver that's been fermenting in a jar for like six months to a year.
00:08:29
Speaker
You know that Sverig? He got his YouTube channel. He was kind of one of the around 2018. He was vegan, sun gazing sort of crazy stuff. Then he went raw meat and he kind of he around the time Paul Saladino was starting to come up. He was and he still promotes a lot of raw. He basically promotes raw meat.
00:08:59
Speaker
blood, drink just animal blood, and those are kind of the staples. So he was sort of like influenced by Agenus Wonderplants, and he, back when he was on YouTube, again, back in 2018.
Gut Health and Prebiotics
00:09:15
Speaker
He would take out jars with like high liver and various, you know, fermented meats and eat them and be like, oh yeah, this, I can see why it's called high meat. Cause he's like, you do feel high, which I can believe because. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, if you look at GMD, right? That is dimethyl tript amine, right? So.
00:09:45
Speaker
These compounds are based on amino acids. Obviously, amino acids are in meat. If certain bacteria putrefied them, ferment them, changed their structure through the fermentation process, I can see how some of these compounds will start to resemble psychoactive compounds, like they will start mimicking serotonin in terms of structure. This might be a stupid thing to say, but it's kind of like
00:10:12
Speaker
elephants like they're they'll eat like rotting apples that fall on the ground and they'll get drunk so maybe it's it's kind of the same thing with meat could be because I mean I know I know certain like with with with certain kids that have yeast overgrowth that's called actually it's a it's a I think it's a medical term all to brewery syndrome where you your yeast in your gut and
00:10:38
Speaker
ferment the sugar from your diet and they obviously create alcohol through those pathways, aldehyde alcohol or acetaldehyde, I think it is.
00:10:49
Speaker
And certain kids will just stand there, be giddy all by themselves with no stimulus. And yeah, it's usually, or it's often because of an yeast overgrowth. So yeah, there's a lot of interactions between different organisms and the environment is not just outside of us. There's an environment.
00:11:08
Speaker
inside the gut because it's technically that the tube is technically interacting with the outside world where like a donut basically the human body is.
00:11:20
Speaker
And, um, so like I'm, I'm working with my trainer Tanner Shuck. And so for like a lot of, uh, you're like a big supplement guy. Like you recommend like taking a lot of supplements to, uh, to curb any kind of issue or, or bring up nutritional deficiencies. Yeah.
00:11:41
Speaker
So like Tanner, he's more of like, hey, supplements are exactly that. They supplement your diet. They only account for 2% of the nutrients that you take and you're largely gonna get most, if not all of your nutrition from your diet. What do you think about that? Yeah, well, okay, let's start breaking it down, right? Let's say your diet is,
00:12:07
Speaker
four eggs, let's say you, you know, you specifically, let's say your diet is two pounds of meat, four eggs, liver,
00:12:18
Speaker
let's say my diet, right? I deliver every second or third day. Like I've eaten almost two pounds of meat a day, you know, honey and so on. So if you don't drink milk, you're not going to get enough calcium. Now the RDA for calcium is about a thousand milligrams for adults. And that's the RDA. These RDA's have no basis in optimal health. They're just
00:12:43
Speaker
design so we don't kill over, work in the fields, work in the factory floor. So if you don't go out and by the way, you need a quart of milk to approach sort of 1000 to 1500 milligrams
Nutrient Deficiencies and Whole Foods
00:12:57
Speaker
of calcium. And that's the bioavailability of calcium in milk is I think something like 27%. Right? Really? Yeah. But yeah, but
00:13:11
Speaker
In spinach, it will be closer to 5%, right? So anyone that tells you spinach is this and that, a lot of it is bound to... Right, that's the argument that I always make. Yeah, it's bound to like anti-nutrients and so on, calcium oxalates, whatnot. So yeah, so that's a problem with calcium. You really need to take a ton of dairy, cheese, and a lot of people don't.
00:13:33
Speaker
Then magnesium. Okay, leafy greens. Meat has some magnesium. But the RDA's are pretty paltry for magnesium. A lot of these RDA's, if you double them, they still would not be sufficient. Like zinc, vitamin E.
00:13:53
Speaker
Magnesium is probably another one. Magnesium is hard to come by if you don't eat leafy greens. There's a bit in milk and so on. It's kind of abundant in ground beef, isn't it? There's all the collagen and stuff? Well, magnesium, it binds to ATP. Obviously, you have ATP in meat because it's
00:14:16
Speaker
It has a lot of mitochondria that create the ATP. So there will be magnesium in muscle meat. I think most nutrients are in muscle meat because they have a lot of mitochondria. Mitochondria have all these minerals, all these B vitamins. CoQ10. So muscle meat is great, bro. I remember back when I was just kind of unbrainwashing myself from the vegan thing. One friend, I was telling her about how nutritious meat is, and she was laughing at my face like I'm the biggest idiot in the world.
00:14:48
Speaker
People really think it's just protein and fat and there's nothing else in there. So I think a pound of meat, it's like a hundred or so milligrams of magnesium. There's no real, I don't think there's really good data on it. So that's not a lot. So that's another problem. And what do you want to shoot for for magnesium in a day?
00:15:12
Speaker
I mean, the RDA is closer to, I think for men, it's like, I can't remember, three to 400 milligrams. But the RDA is also kind of bullshit. So maybe we should be shooting for like a thousand or more. Well, there you go. So right now, I just mentioned calcium, if you don't do a lot of dairy, magnesium, if you don't do a lot of dairy. Next, vitamin E.
00:15:33
Speaker
So let's say you eat high poofa diet or regular poofa diet for half your life, like most people, you get the memo that poofas are bad, you completely stop all poofas, including nuts and seeds, or you're completely cutting out your, almost completely cutting out your vitamin E intake, but all those poofas in your body remain there for years. So you actually now,
00:15:58
Speaker
are leaving them to be vulnerable. So vitamin E is another one. And that could keep going on. If you don't eat a lot of another example, if you don't eat a lot of plant foods, you're actually not going to get much manganese. Manganese is predominantly found in plant foods. Then a lot of people, not us, but a lot of people that don't eat much meat.
00:16:21
Speaker
because they can't handle that much sort of volume of meat, they could be low on zinc, right? And selenium, it depends on the soil your food comes from. So certain soils are very low in selenium, others are very high. So, you know, once you sort of keep iterating through the different nutrients and what people eat in a day, I'll tell you another example. If anyone listening or interested, you know, download
00:16:49
Speaker
the chronometer CRON chronometer app, put in what you eat in a day. And I think many people will be like, Oh crap. You know, a lot of people are not even meeting the, and here's the thing, a lot of people aren't meeting the RDAs, never mind exceeding them. So for some, some of these, it could be double what you need. So like guys like Tanner, by the way, how it sounds chronometer. Yeah. Yeah. CRON, not CHCR. So Tanner, by the way, I really like Tanner.
00:17:18
Speaker
He's a very cool guy, genuine guy, no BS. I was watching his channel over Christmas. Tyler who? Tanner, Tanner. He's a cool guy. Oh, Tanner, okay. But here's what I've noticed. A lot of guys, what they do is they project. So, okay, Saladino, when he was keto, everybody should be doing keto. Now, he's eating fruits.
00:17:42
Speaker
and honey, everybody. So this is, I think, and Tanner, he eats really well, trains really hard. He thinks everybody needs to do that, right? But not everybody can eat like him or has the ability to train that hard. 4,000 calories a day? I'm like, bro, I don't know if I could stomach that day after day.
00:18:03
Speaker
Exactly. So I think what my biggest lesson has been over the last several years, the last few years is everybody's needs are different for that specific time. And then let's say someone has some serious thyroid problems or whatever.
00:18:19
Speaker
What they need now and what they need in six months and then 12 months will be completely different, completely different supplements. So it's not like I'm using these supplements constantly. We use them to get somebody out of a metabolic hole. Then we layer in another set, let's say to boost detoxification or something to address a gut issue. Then we keep removing things. Here's another, just sorry to add one more example, vitamin K, bro.
00:18:46
Speaker
vitamin k 2 is very hard to come by in the diet even if you're a ton of
00:18:53
Speaker
dairy, you're still going to get very little. So the best source of that is natto, which is fermented soy garbage. And I think we all agree. That's not how we want to get our vitamin K, you know. Dr. Peter McCullough recommends natto kinase. I don't know if it's, if natto and natto kinase are the same thing, but that's what he recommends for his base spike detox protocol.
00:19:16
Speaker
No, natto is just fermented soybean, whatever. Whereas natto kinase is an enzyme of some kind.
00:19:28
Speaker
Gotcha. But I mean, is nato kinase, maybe you don't know, but is nato kinase in nato? Oh, yeah. So nato is produced by fermentation by adding the bacterium Bacillus subtilis, which also produces the enzyme nato kinase. Right. So interesting. I don't know. I don't know much about it. I do use digestive enzymes, but just regular ones with some clients. What about
00:19:57
Speaker
I've been hearing about this seed probiotic, prebiotic, whatever it is. Do you know anything about that? Seed or you mean soil-based? Well, it's, no, there's this guy, Thomas DeLauer. Are you familiar with him? Yeah, he's recommending this prebiotic, probiotic. Again, I can't remember which it is or maybe it's both.
00:20:22
Speaker
He said it's the only one that he trusts. He thinks that most of them are bullshit. It seems like really popular right now. Probiotic and prebiotic, which they call symbiotic, which to be honest with you, I think these prebiotics are bullshit, bro.
Aging and Chronic Inflammation
00:20:42
Speaker
I gotta be honest with you. Seriously.
00:20:45
Speaker
Yeah. I was talking to a client the other day and she showed me, I'll check out, I got this from XYZ company. What do you think of it? I'm like, you know, see if you can like return it, tell them it's not working out for me and see if you can get your money back because prebiotics is just the thing about, and I'm going to talk about this in my book, which by the way, my book, I submitted it to Amazon yesterday morning. So I'm just waiting for it to get
00:21:14
Speaker
Oh yeah, it's finished. Well, yeah, it's finished. I'll let you know. It should be up tomorrow the next day. I'll send you the link. Nice. Yeah, I want to do one final pass through just to kind of change half a percent of repetitive words here and there, just tiny polish that nobody would notice except me. But anyway, in the book I talk about why
00:21:38
Speaker
fiber is not such a good idea. So in Eulene, they talk about these prebiotics, what is it? In Eulene, for example, or phosphructo oligosaccharides, that's indigestible fiber plant material that we cannot digest. So the bacteria in our gut fermented. And here's the problem. A lot of
00:21:58
Speaker
us have an overgrowth of certain bacteria called Gram-negative bacteria that when they increase their populations by fermenting and eating this fiber, when they die, they spill their whole sort of cell membranes, ruptures and
00:22:16
Speaker
It's built, that cell membrane is built out of lipopolysaccharide particles, which are also known as endotoxin. And endotoxin, it increases intestinal permeability, and then certain cells in the bloodstream recognize it. And when they recognize it, it attaches to their receptor, TLR receptor.
00:22:38
Speaker
And when they sense it, they perceive the body is under attack, so they create a strong inflammatory cascade. So when you're adding these fiber starches and prebiotics, and you don't know if you have an overgrowth of gram-negative bacteria,
00:22:54
Speaker
you are just creating a more inflammatory potential in the body, which is really, you know, like I talked about in my book. It's one of the ways we age is like this sort of low grade chronic inflammation is one of the biggest drivers of aging and disease. Really interesting. I used to do like a lot of
00:23:17
Speaker
gut health kind of studying especially like listening to Chris Kresser's podcast and he would talk about like the potato diet where you would you cook a potato and you let it cool and you cook it again and let it cool and develops all of this.
00:23:33
Speaker
Uh, resistance starch. Yeah. And so you're saying, well, and also green bananas, like non ripe, yet bananas also are really good for that. So you're saying that if you are over consuming those foods, it could actually lead to like SIBO and leaky gut kind of thing. Maybe it can definitely fuel the fire. If for example, okay.
00:23:56
Speaker
For example, this stool test that we run on some of my clients, there's a section of bacteria where some of them are called potential autoimmune triggers. Others are called commensals or opportunistic. So they only overgrow when there's like a perturbation of the commensal microbiota or if there's a pathogen or some other insult to the gut.
00:24:26
Speaker
And they're not a problem if their numbers are generally kept in check.
00:24:32
Speaker
But if they overgrow, and I actually saw it on one client's son, we ran the test a month or so ago, and he had one of these gram-negative bacteria. It was overgrown by a factor of four. So let's say instead of 1,000, you add four zeros on that. So instead of 1,000,
00:24:57
Speaker
per unit of stool, there was like a million of them. So massive overgrowth, you know.
Fasting: Misconceptions and Effects
00:25:04
Speaker
So that explained a lot of the symptoms, you know, so that you really have to be very careful with these things. And what really pisses me off is when you look at a lot of the mainstream health advice, longevity advice, it's just, bro, you know, Peter Atiyah,
00:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, of course. He recommends statins. And so a few of my buddies are big Peter Atea fans. And they're like, bro, we're going to get on statins. I'm like, what's your cholesterol level? They're like 220. I'm like, that's perfectly healthy. That is perfect. Or maybe even a little bit higher, we would be even more optimal. But to get on statins at 220, I'm like, that's insane.
00:25:44
Speaker
Same, dude. And the other thing, I heard him on a podcast recently. I used to listen to him more, but he told Derek more plates, more dates. Yep.
00:26:00
Speaker
So he told him that he stopped fasting because he did some, um, Texas, Texas cans. And he saw that his lean mass had decreased from fasting and his fat mass has increased. So he went from nine to 14% body fat. So he said, I don't want to be that phenotype. So he, so he stopped doing his fast, something into myself, grow. What about the literal, literal millions of people?
00:26:26
Speaker
Whom you influenced you know what I mean? Because he's also a low carb advocate and I heard what he eats like he will wake up and I like the guy He's very smart. I really like I used to really enjoy his podcast a lot I don't have time because his episodes are so long I don't have time to listen to it, but I really like him. He's great very articulate really cool guy, but We we are harming people we could potentially be harming people with our advice and then he's
00:26:56
Speaker
you know so he wakes up the guy's 50 he wakes up he's doing fast at cardio
00:27:01
Speaker
He eats whatever intermittent fasting regime. He does cold plunges. He eats low carb. He skips dinner or eats super early dinner. And I'm thinking to myself, well, you can do that, but a lot of people your age, you're going to completely destroy their health if they are influenced by you that way. So it's kind of a bit of a travesty, how much terrible advice experts like MDs are giving.
00:27:31
Speaker
I wonder what you think about this. I'm having trouble remembering the gentleman's name, but he recommends what he calls like a feast famine cycle. So for Monday through Friday, you eat normally like maintenance calories. And then on Saturday, you fast. On Sunday, you feast kind of thing. And what do you think about that? Just off of that description? I think it's crazy.
00:28:00
Speaker
Because this is something else I talk about in the book.
00:28:09
Speaker
You just have to, I think we have to teach people just a very basic physiology of how do we survive periods without food. And once people understand the very basic mechanisms, no real big words are needed here. Once you understand the basic mechanisms, you can really tell whether something is good for you. For example, let's say you stop eating, it's 8 p.m., you stop eating.
00:28:36
Speaker
That was your last meal by twelve o'clock midnight roughly maybe at that point you know your your glucagon is starting to come up you're using more liver glycogen then as you're over the hours while you sleep deliver glycogen starts to get depleted
00:28:55
Speaker
And then other hormones will start to go up, like growth hormone, cortisol, adrenaline. They start going up and what they do is they stimulate gluconeogenesis, they stimulate lipolysis, so breaking down fatty tissue so the fats can be used, so the glycerol backbone can be turned into glucose.
00:29:18
Speaker
You wake up in the morning, if you don't stop that fast, you are continuing to run on stress hormones. So let's say you get up, go for a walk, maybe put in a workout that entire time.
00:29:31
Speaker
Your brain, search your nervous system, your muscles had to use glucose. So if that glucose was not coming from the diet, it was coming from breaking down your lean tissue, which can include organs, joints, skin, bone, and of course muscle. And then some fat was also used. It wasn't only glucose, but people think that when you fast, you're using mostly fat. It's not really, that's not the case.
00:30:00
Speaker
like the first two days of a fast, roughly, depending on activity levels, you're using mostly glucose, you know, it'll take like three days to start getting into ketosis. So during that time, a lot of like if you look at, um,
00:30:15
Speaker
There was another study I talked about in the book a 10-day fast the guys lost six kilograms so close to 15 pounds and 40% of that six kilograms was lean tissue, right? So fasting and that they were given 250 calories of juices and broth and honey, so it could have been another kilogram lost I did the calculations so I think
00:30:44
Speaker
When you understand that, when you don't eat, some fat is being used, but a lot of that glucose that, because the brain, if you're not in ketosis, the brain needs glucose, something like 120 grams a day. And then the blood cells needs 30 grams a day. And then movement, like gym, running, whatever else, fast walking, that needs glucose. So if you, I think if you're not, like you have to be really small, like let's say even like a hundred pound woman or 110 pound woman, I think,
00:31:14
Speaker
if she's not even... I know one of those. Yeah, exactly. My wife is about that as well. I tell her, if you don't take a couple hundred grams of carbs into your body throughout the day,
00:31:29
Speaker
you are making up that deficit through increased stress hormones and breaking lean tissue down. And I think once people understand that, they're like, Oh, I don't want that to happen. Because it also then signals, it creates this famine sort of environment. And then the body becomes more thrifty and slows down the metabolism. I think there's probably over like 100 grams, maybe like 120 grams of carbs, maybe even more in this drink that I make every day.
Workout Nutrition and Energy Levels
00:31:56
Speaker
It's
00:31:57
Speaker
It's like 16 ounces of milk, 10 to 12 ounces of coffee concentrate, and like four ounces of maple syrup. Oh, so you're going to bring a tear to my eye, man. You inspired it. You inspired it for sure. That's amazing.
00:32:19
Speaker
Yeah. So this is, this is probably maybe like 120 grams of carbs just in that drink. And then I'll have, uh, you know, some fruits and, uh, and Greek yogurt with fruit in it as well throughout the day. So definitely probably touching like probably over 200 now.
00:32:36
Speaker
That's awesome man. I was going to say I used to do a lot of fasting and I used to work for FedEx so I would frequently check how many steps and miles that I did every day and every day was between 8 to 12 miles depending on how many packages I had to deliver.
00:32:55
Speaker
Well, I thought that it would be a good idea to do my five day fast from Monday to Friday while I'm working at FedEx, you know, running eight to 12 miles a day. So I did a five day fast, only drinking mineral water, no juices, no bone broth, nothing but mineral water for five days. And I was, dude, I was so lightheaded. I couldn't think straight. I couldn't even sleep at night. I was just,
00:33:23
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But I just, I just forced myself to go through it and I lost like 16 pounds in five days because I was obviously, you know, running eight to 12 miles every day and not eating anything. And could you think like I was driving around in a 26 foot box truck? How old were you? I was 20, 20 or 21 years old. Well, you see at that age, see, if you, if you try to do this now,
00:33:50
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Or if you're my age, or especially if you're like over 45, if you try to do that, your body will, you cannot override your body's sort of safety. When we're young, we can. I think even around up to 35, we can still do it. But there comes a time where you're like, you're just like, no, screw this, man. Screw this. I'm not doing this. I'm going to have a sandwich.
00:34:16
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And so, you know, that kind of leads me into what I wanted to talk to you about is I watch this guy, Mike Mutzel from High Intensity Health. Are you familiar with him? Vaguely familiar, yeah. Okay. I mean, I think he has wonderful content on YouTube. Maybe you'd want to check him out sometime. But he was talking about
00:34:40
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like you probably wanna work out in a fed state. And so like I usually go to the gym and I've had like, like I take a couple gulps of honey and you know, I have like an electrolyte mix that I drink and then like I'm at the gym. But what I'm finding is I'll do my main compound lift like squats, deadlifts, bench or shoulder press.
00:35:06
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I'll do my main compound lift and after the last set, I just feel completely and utterly drained. Like I can't even lift another weight. Like I'm just like spent. As opposed to if you go, if you go fasted. Is that what you're saying? Well, with, with, you know, a couple ounces of honey and some electrolytes in me, like that's what I'm working on. So the question is, would you, would you feel like that? Would you feel better if you didn't take it?
00:35:36
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The honey and the electrolytes, or are you comparing it to like a full meal? What kind of performance were you comparing it to and fade state were you comparing it to? I don't know. I feel like this is a relatively new phenomenon that I've been going through.
00:36:02
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And like I said, I do my main compound lift like five sets and then I'm like totally spent like just brain fog, no energy to like keep on going through the workout. And I'm just like, should I just go 100% fasted or should I just like eat two pieces of fruit?
00:36:21
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along with the honey, like do I just need more carbs going into the workout? Yeah, I would say that first because do you have the carbs and then immediately start lifting or at what point do you have them before you start lifting? It's probably like 45 minutes after I have the honey and then like 45 minutes later, it takes me like 15 minutes to get to them. That's your first meal of the day, right?
00:36:47
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Correct. If you want to count like two tablespoons of honey as a meal. Oh, come on, dude. Come on. So you're like six in the morning because, you know, I got to get to work and I got a lot of things to do here. So I work out like six in the morning and to like eat a meal before going to the gym that early is.
00:37:11
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I mean, there's there's also downsides to that, too. Shouldn't you eat like while the sun is up is the general kind of consensus? I think so. Here's here's the way I see it. Right. So your liver, if let's say it can hold around 100 grams of carbs, glycogen. So if you take a couple of.
00:37:31
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tablespoons of honey, that's like 30, 35 grams of carbs. So you have, that can't even probably top up your liver, right? So what's very likely happening, keep in mind, let's say you wake up six and then by eight o'clock is when you start to feel that sort of spent feeling. Those are symptoms of glycopenia or neuroglycopenia, which is a shortage of glucose.
00:38:02
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In the brain, so if you feel woozy lightheaded irritable, that's a very so it's clear that your blood sugar is falling there. So what's probably happening is that you're topping up some you're adding some glycogen to the liver.
00:38:18
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Then once you start lifting, you do some warm ups, some main sets. What that does is it will take the glucose out of
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00:38:30
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the blood. So then the liver will have to kick in, start sending more glucose to the blood.
00:38:35
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because there's nothing coming from the intestine well i mean there's tiny amount but it's very likely already been you know digested and it's in the liver whatever aspect of it is in the liver because some some went to the brain the nervous system so you are literally at that point again running on stress hormones even though you're you had some fuel it was nowhere near enough for the fuel you need and i'll tell you like you probably
00:39:03
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if you take a juice like this, right, this is organic grape, a litre of this is about you, this might, you know, you might fall off your chair, 160 grams. So I don't know, just for one week or two weeks, try this, buy like one, one litre of juice, have a fifth of it when you wake up. And then every half an hour have like another fifth.
00:39:30
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So the first two hours you take this in. I swear to God, dude, especially if you take it with some creatine, maybe some better, better alanine in the morning before on your way to the gym, dude, you're going to crush it so much better and then you're not going to be tired after that, you know? Just crush a bunch of fruit juice on the way to the gym. Like, I mean, like half of that would just go to top up your liver.
00:39:53
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A bunch of that will continue to be used for your brain nervous system and then your muscles will soak that up. I don't understand why people are afraid. If you drink a bunch of juice, it will not, especially in the morning, there's no chance, like zero, zero percent of that is gonna get stored as fat, like zero percent. I don't understand why people are so, I mean, I understand why we're so carb-phobic because of all the propaganda.
00:40:21
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But man, how long was that going on? I mean, that was from like 2015 to like the early 2020s where it was like, hey, carbs are the fucking devil. Gary Taubes wrote that book about the case against sugar. Good calories, bad calories. We get fat.
00:40:42
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And again, like, I don't know what you think about Joe Rogan. I've come to think that he's like kind of dis info agent. I don't know how like controlled opposition stuff like really works. But I mean, who was the main purveyor of all of that low carb dieting stuff? It was fucking Rogan he had on all of these low carb guys.
00:41:01
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on his show and no one was really kind of combating that. It was, I mean, even he had on, uh, this, this guy who runs marathons and shit on low carb, which I don't even know how it was possible, but there were, he had on so many guests like that. And back when I started driving for FedEx, I was just like listening to Rogan. It was my first foray into podcasts. And so I heard all of these low carb keto kind of folks. And I was just like, okay, like that's, that's the way.
00:41:31
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Yeah, I was the same dude back in like 2018. That's exactly I started listening to Ben Greenfield, Dave Asprey. Yeah, you know, and I was like, Dave Asprey looks like shit.
00:41:43
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Well, but he's on like eighties supplement pills a day or some shit. Oh, he's like a hundred plus. But here's the thing, David, I remember really well that he was saying at the time how little he slept. He, I think he said he, he averaged an hour or sorry, he averaged six hours sleep. So that means some days he was sleeping like four. I know I'm sure.
00:42:07
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Guys like that with all the running companies and being, you know, like kicking ass that they think they're fucking indestructible. And I'll tell you, during the writing of my book, man, the amount of new tropics I took, some days I would wake up like I'd sleep like four hours and I could go on all day and it wasn't just caffeine.
00:42:29
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the ct colon the alpha gpc all the other new tropics bro like i'll stack in on stacking on stacking and you think you're like oh my god and then i looked at myself in the mirror some days with these black not black bags but you know the dark circles around the other right crap man i need to take it easy this book is gonna i wanted to get it done fast
00:42:50
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But so it's this hunger to get more into your day. I really think these guys are influencing us. So I think we're all impressionable, especially when you're listening to podcasts for hours and hours every week. It's drilling you right in the air. And some of us are going to bed with the earphones and shit. So I think I'm trying to
00:43:18
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be an influence. I don't, my, my, obviously my audience is tiny compared to those guys. I'm trying to be an influence for positive, not just health diet habits, but just, just all the other ancillary stuff that we, it's like the, the gym stuff, right? Let me, let me, let's take it a step back instead of trying to optimize your workout. Let's, let's figure out why do you have to
00:43:46
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go so heavy first thing in the morning. You know what I mean? I was literally deadlifting 375 for six reps at like seven o'clock this morning. Yeah, so here's the thing. What is the reason for that? Well, I'm working with Tanner and this is the program that he's got me on and I have gotten substantially stronger
00:44:14
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But I agree with you. I have thought recently about, you know, maybe switching to more functional stuff. I got this nagging knee issue. I think I was squatting like 365 and I may have gone like too deep on a squat or something. And now I just have like, there's definitely something structurally wrong with my knee, but I can squat through it as long as
00:44:38
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I mean, you're probably just shaking your head. Listen to this. I can squat through the pain as long as I have like one of those knee wraps on. So I can
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00:44:49
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go through it, but there's definitely something structurally wrong with my knee and I know it needs a break, but I don't want to take too much time off because I don't want to lose too much muscle mass and strength. So I kind of just like am going through it at the moment.
00:45:03
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But I've thought that maybe I should implement some more functional style training just to give my joints a break and make my joints stronger and all these kinds of things. I've had shoulder issues for years. I think it was all of the benching that I did in high school, but every time I do this, you can hear a loud audible crack.
00:45:27
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dude. Yeah. I need to do some functional shit. Bro, bro. My car, I went to my chiropractor. One of my, my left shoulder was doing that. I think it's like the scapula. When you move the scapula, it's some sort of rubs against the rib cage. Dude, in one session, he didn't even touch me. He just showed me, go like, okay, the, the right one does it right. So do that.
00:45:52
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Now mimic the same thing with your left hand. So he told me like literally just shoulder circles, but you start with your good one, your good side. And then we were, we went camping after that with my wife and that evening after we set up the freaking tent, I did that and then the next day it went away. So you probably want like some, some bodywork specialists like, um, to, to at least, I think at least for focus on
00:46:19
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on like getting the the week the week links looked at right because it's what my chiropractor he my chiropractor worked with Olympians by the way he's he's from California
00:46:33
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He said that this is the biggest mistake people make. And not in your case, because you're probably quite advanced, but instead of like a newbie going to the gym, instead of doing compound lifts, we should be actually working on the hinges and getting all the weak links ready. And then, you know, you can progress onto something like loaded compounds and stuff like that. But dude, you're crazy. When I was 30, when I was training for my Thai boxing fight, bro,
00:47:02
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I was kicking so hard, just the kind of the regular, the body kicks. I was kicking so hard and then not going back to the office to work, not cooling down or stretching. So I literally, literally basically dislocated my
00:47:21
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my femur ball joint out of the hip socket. And I lived like, dude, I lived like that for months, dude. And I'd be waking up at night in pain and I couldn't sleep on one side because obviously there was all the pressure. So my wife is an ex-professional ballet dancer. So she had a dislocated sort of discs in her spine.
00:47:47
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Somebody got her Connor McGregor's physical therapists contact. She started going to him. So it took me months and months later to finally like realize, oh crap, this guy helped you. Maybe he can help me. So I was living like that for months, maybe six to eight months.
00:48:06
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So a lot of suffering, you know what I mean? This is what we do when we're young, especially dudes. We're so, it's like, we're so wrapped up in like whatever we try to accomplish. And then when I think about it now, all that training, all that, the weight loss for the weigh-in, all that stuff, all that I was doing is aging myself and shortening my life. Literally, that's all I have to fucking show for it. And a medal, a participation medal that I got for losing the fight.
00:48:36
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So do you think that there's just like a threshold? Like I've always kind of thought like if I'm 175 and I'm like squatting 425, I mean, that's all I fucking want. I mean, if.
00:48:51
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Like 425 at 175 seems like a badass thing to do. Yeah. But you know, I don't have aspirations of squatting like 700 pounds or some shit like that. I hope not. Would you say that you that even strength training to that degree, like maybe over 300 pounds, what would you say? Is there a threshold that you really shouldn't go past because then you're just starting to do joint damage?
00:49:16
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Yeah, man, unless you need it for your job, like you're an athlete, I was always like, how the hell can soccer players get paid like $100,000 a week? That's ridiculous. But I realize now that they're not getting paid enough.
00:49:35
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Because they're getting literally all that training that they're doing, they're literally getting paid to be gladiators in the circus for us. And they're literally shortening their lives doing that. They're robbing themselves of their lifespan and health span. Have you seen Ronnie Coleman now? No, but I can imagine he's not doing too great.
00:49:59
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dude he's like you know those double like arm things like they kind of like one it wraps around your wrist and then you have the little handle and it you have like both of them that's what he's got he's like wheelchair bound and he's got the little like walker thing this was this was like the pinnacle of bodybuilding for eight years he won like eight mr olympia's in a row now he's like utterly crippled
00:50:23
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Oh my God. And it's like the glory, what you do for glory. I mean, he completely destroyed his body for the rest of his life. Yeah. And the Cali muscle, he had a heart attack or something like that. Right. Yeah. And then there was that, uh, Joe, Joe Stedics. He was like this 30 years old. Yeah. It's so sad, bro.
00:50:46
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And here's the thing. I know a lot of people blamed it on the vaccine, especially with the Joesthetics guy, but Tanner made a video. He's like, yeah, you know, it's probably not the vaccine. It's probably the fucking steroids because they also make your blood super viscous. Yeah, I mean, they do so many different things. Right.
00:51:04
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Here's the way I tell my clients, right? Now, obviously in your case, it's slightly different, but, because a lot of my clients are in a somewhat precarious state of health, so we can't, even if we wanted to, we can't go all out. But here's what I say now, roughly. If you are always lean, or if you're always strong, like since you were a kid,
00:51:31
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or you were always super fit like you were running long distances when you were like 12 it wasn't a problem so if you're always super fit super strong or super lean perfectly fine but if you weren't and you got yours let's say you were you know you lost had to lose 50 pounds to get lean or you have to like go to the gym four times a week for four years to get super strong
00:51:55
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or like train bunch like 40 miles a week. So you could do a marathon. If you do those things to get to those lean, strong, or what the hell was the other one? Lean, strong, fit. Yeah.
00:52:18
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The reason you became one of those things is because you put yourself through a tremendous amount of stress, right? So in your case, you're clearly strong to begin with. It's probably okay for you to double down on that if you have aspirations to increase your strength. But I really don't think, unless you're gonna get paid for it or there's actual clout or powerlifting competition, if it was me,
00:52:49
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Not when I was your age. I wouldn't have done it because I participated in a Thai boxing fight when I was 30. But now, some years later, I think I would just go to the gym, not stress yourself too much, bro. You don't want to have dumbs. You don't want to run too much. You don't want to die too much. Because all of these things, they put unnecessary stress. And the reason it's unnecessary is because, again, unless you're getting paid for it,
00:53:18
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then it's most of us are doing it because of some type of societal standard because of social engineering because of instagram or influencers or like that ben greenfield is like his forty whatever for forty five or whatever super shredded eight percent body fat
00:53:35
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Um, and then like, but then the other guys, like all the programmers and the entrepreneurial types, then they're working 80 hours a week because Elon Musk apparently does. Nevermind the fact the guys are a whole theater show. Yeah. Don't tell John. I said that. Yeah, right. We were actually just joking about Elon's like, uh,
00:54:00
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build the other day. It is fascinating because I haven't seen a human body that looks like that with a wide chest and I don't even know how you describe it, but yeah. That's some kind of dead body, I guess. Right. But yeah, so I really think all of these things, bro, the reason they're so big, the reason why
00:54:26
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YouTube and Instagram, all of these guys that are on steroids, the fake natties and all that stuff. And the, you know, the ones that aren't lying, the reason they're not being sort of throttle, they're, they want to social engineer us to exhaust ourselves faster, die faster, go to the gym, speed up your demise, age yourself faster, weak.
00:54:49
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Do fasting, weaken yourself, do low-carb, do plant-based, do whatever else, weaken your body, become more prone to disease. I really think most of these things that become big, I think, bro, they are mostly for the most part designed to just make us weaker. So I really don't think adding extra stress is necessary.
00:55:14
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Right. I guess it's the always wanting to get better kind of thing. You just want to get better every single day.
00:55:25
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You know, when I see like my deadlift, I think when I started, my max was like 315 with Tanner. And now, uh, I did like 395 by eight, maybe like a month ago. And so it's just like, shit, it's quite a substantial jump. Maybe it was actually 365, I think it started with, but still like such a substantial jump to go from 365 for one to 395 for, for eight. And so it's that constant progress when you see it like that and you go back and.
00:55:54
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you look and it's just like, fuck yeah, I got better and I just went every single day. So I think that's like the overall driving factor. And the mental game that I play with myself is if I were to stop like lifting that heavy and stop progressing on my deadlift, my bench or my squat, then, you know, I'm regressing, which is something that... So how many surgeries has Tanner had?
00:56:23
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Yeah, that's a good point. Like 12 on his knee, both knees. And how many total? Yeah. Dozens and dozens. 16. I think like you said 16. Yeah. So there you go, bro. You know? Right. That's true.
00:56:42
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But, but at least what he's doing here, it's his job. He was a CrossFit competitor. He was, now he has a fitness channel. And so, you know, that's his job. So you can always get better.
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00:56:55
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Certain things, you know, there's like the law of diminishing returns, right? Certain things you can get good enough, but the thing is, what's good enough? You kind of have to set those sort of boundaries, but you can always expand laterally. You don't have to, because like, dude,
00:57:13
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like if you look at a power lifter like without all that gear and all those wraps and all those things like they would just they're gonna bust something yeah yeah so so i think if you if you can i think we're just this is just my opinion now i'm not telling you what to do but if you're if you're deadlift is let's say 390 or 400 or whatever you know maybe you want to work on your vertical jump
00:57:41
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Right. Maybe you want to get that up 10 inches. I don't even know if that's possible, but because, you know, if you just do box jumps, that's super high intensity, but very little actual impact because you step down from the box.
00:57:56
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Well, what about Ben Patrick? Are you familiar with the knees over toes guy, Ben Patrick? I've heard of him and I haven't watched his stuff. He's got a lot of really interesting stuff. Basically, he had like horrible, terrible chronic knee issues. And so he heard about like walking backwards, like ancient Chinese medicine. They said if you had bad knees, you walk backwards. And so he started like walking backwards up a hill.
00:58:20
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and then putting stress on your knees by having your toes, your knees over your toes, you're actually putting stress on the knee and forcing it to grow and repair and all these kinds of things. So then he started doing sledded
00:58:37
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And he increased his vertical by maybe a foot or so. Now he can dunk a basketball as a random white guy. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah. So, yeah, that was actually, you know, part of the health summit that I recommended.
00:58:56
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And in several interviews, I'm like, hey, if you have knee problems, just start with some backwards walking and look into Ben Patrick. He reversed all of his chronic knee issues with that. But yeah, you said vertical jump. So my mind immediately went to Ben Patrick. That's really cool. That's what I'm saying. You can always just try to.
00:59:21
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you know, become proficient at other things, you know what I mean? It doesn't even, I don't know, it depends on the interest we have, like I've always,
00:59:29
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had so many varied interests like what one month it's one thing and the next month it might be like growing cactuses or whatever else and so I don't know what you're doing in Portugal the guy that married us he's like a kind of like a shaman he's from Peru he's a not a shaman but he's a what you marrow what you ma so they gave us little
00:59:55
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San Pedro cactus. So I've been growing that sucker for the last two and a half years. So I did a cutting and then I've planted him. So now I have like several pots. So I'm going to start a San Pedro nursery at some point. Nice. Do you know what a cool Endera is?
01:00:15
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It's that sort of thing. It's very similar. Okay. Yeah. We have someone on our team that is a current era. It's awesome. So, yeah, I kind of know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's awesome, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, bro. I think maybe having a kid slows you down or something. I just now, to be honest with you,
01:00:42
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I do little more than just body weight exercise and walking. I don't feel like I need to do anything more than that. You know what I mean? Well, you know, I have heard through my research that there's like some of the guys are like, Hey, you don't need to be doing strength training like five, six days a week. No, but it still is important to give your body that stimulus maybe one or two days a week just to like,
01:01:12
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But again, like you've kind of said, cause I brought up in the, I brought up the point that, you know, our ancestors regularly fasted, you know, there wasn't always food, especially in the winter kind of thing. And you're just like, yeah, but what is natural is not always optimal. So it was like, well, do we really need that hormetic stress of getting under like a 300 pounds squat or can, or just like walking lunges and body weight squats enough?
01:01:41
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Yeah, I don't think a massive squat like that counts as a hormetic. That's just the proper stress. A hormesis is supposed to be something like if you eat turmeric and some other compound curcumin or whatever else.
01:02:00
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they get absorbed. Usually a lot of these things are just spat back out. That's why if you eat plant-based, your poops are the size of an elephant because the body doesn't want most of that stuff. It extracts what it can, the rest. So these things, whatever tiny amount of them these polyphenols get into the body, that causes an upregulation of certain detoxification enzymes. So it's a minor stress. So I think
01:02:27
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That's hormesis and I think we've taken it way too far because of pretty extreme guys out there on Instagram and YouTube. Hormetic could be...
01:02:39
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you know, just do pull ups to failure, right? Let's say for one person it could be two, for another it could be 10. If you do that, I think if you do that once a week, it's more than enough to maintain because I think we also have to remember that there's diminishing returns on building muscle in terms of longevity. I try to kind of look at things through the longevity lens. So there's a certain point
01:03:07
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where adding more muscle on your frame becomes a bit of a liability. Because it's expensive tissue, the body may have to down regulate other processes or functions in order to maintain. If you keep giving it the stimulus, that's why guys that get off the juice or stop training very hard,
01:03:28
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they're not providing the stimulus or kind of an anabolic aid so that the the body downsizes naturally. Because that tissue is way too expensive to maintain so the only reason they maintain it is because they continue applying a lot of stress to the body like someone like tanner.
01:03:47
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He looks amazing, but he is putting a lot of stress on his body day in and day out. There is a metabolic cost to that. I really think it has to be somewhere between a couch potato and someone like Tanner. It has to be somewhere in the middle where you're doing walking.
01:04:07
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lifting, just a lot of regular activity, walking the up and down hills, like, you know, doing groceries, cleaning the house, gardening, whatever. But I don't think, I don't even think bro, four or five times a week is necessary in the gym. Really? Yeah.
01:04:24
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Unless you want to really like unless you have a goal to compete in something unless you like a photo shoot unless you really want to have that body if I'm talking like someone that like I'm married already have a kid kind of don't really don't really have any reason to impress anybody
01:04:43
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So maybe, of course, 10 years ago, it was a whole different story. I'm just saying, again, from the longevity angle, a couple of times a week, some weights, walking every day, pull-ups, push-ups, squats, the occasional sprint, the occasional jump, when you feel really good, when your joints aren't achy and shit, when you're bursting with energy, totally fine, man.
01:05:11
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the occasional cold exposure like here in its winter here, but some days I just walk in my shorts.
01:05:20
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and all the people, because they're all Portuguese here, they're like, I'm always like two, three layers more bare than all my neighbors here. So they're like, what is wrong with this guy? Again, that's from the lens of longevity. If you really want to progress, but I always like to ask people, like I had one client in her sixties doing jogging,
01:05:46
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doing weights, I'm like, how long did you spend in the gym the other day, two hours? I'm like, why? Why? And then when you go back to why, and then you start figuring out some things, and then it's like, okay, maybe I don't need to do this. You know? Right. I think a lot about
01:06:08
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There's these cultures in Africa that are largely removed from modern Western society, and they have some 80 or 90-year-olds that can still climb trees and pick fruit and shit.
01:06:27
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You know, I want to be that kind of 90-year-old, you know? Yeah. So, it probably, honestly, to your point, it probably, honestly, that person probably never did a 425-pound deadlift in their entire life. No. And they're still scaling trees, completely healthy, able to do like a pretty strenuous, like, physical feat. Climbing a tree is like no, like, laughing matter.
01:06:53
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That's quite a feat and to be doing that at 80 or 90 years old is pretty remarkable. Yeah, I agree. We definitely want to do that, but I really think that the stimulus for the body to maintain that kind of strength is very, it's much slower, much lower than, because if you look at, if you look at just taking an untrained person
01:07:23
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as an example, I think even two, maybe four, four, five pull-ups or eight reps of pull-ups a week would be sufficient to... Eight reps of pull-ups a week? Yeah. At least in the first while would probably be enough stimulus for them to increase, to increase strength. Let's say you take a woman.
01:07:53
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detrained, never trained. If over the course of one week, let's say today she does four, and then four days later she does another four, one by one, let's say, that should be sufficient stimulus for her to increase in strength. So let's say she does that, I don't know, two, three months, and then you start adding a rep, and then I don't know, just sucking out of my thumb. By the end of the year, let's say she can do
01:08:21
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She's doing 30 pull-ups a week and she can do six consecutive pull-ups, right? Yeah. It will take probably two sets of her max per week to maintain that now for the next five years, let's say. I know I'm just kind of like giving very rough out of my ass examples, but the stimulus
01:08:46
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required to maintain strength is nowhere near that for to increase strength and much less so than for hypertrophy. You need a lot of sets, a lot of volume for hypertrophy, which by the way, a lot of that eccentric portion of the lifts
01:09:05
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There's very other than hypertrophy there's very little value in fact is more detriment because it it all that damage all that inflammation it causes yes the the body's response to it is to build tissue and it looks bigger and might look nicer but it's. Actually.
01:09:26
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So if you if you're really training for longevity, let's say you want to let's say you're doing pull ups, you want to just pull yourself up and then maybe jump down or figure out a way to to not lower yourself because you know some guys that do these.
01:09:44
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you know, one up, three down, let's say for biceps or whatever, that will make your biceps bigger. But that's really, it's detrimental in terms of the inflammation, the damage, the energy cost to repair, the nutrient cost. So other than it looking bigger, there's little other value, it's mostly detriment from the eccentric portion of these lifts.
01:10:12
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But that's what causes the adaptation response, no? Yeah, but the adaptation is a symptom of a lot of stress being put on the body. That's the part where I think these guys, younger guys are being brainwashed by guys like Greg Doucette and all these other influencers that if you are very fit or if you're very jacked or both,
01:10:41
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you are by default very healthy. And like I said earlier, if you're like that genetically, you were born, you were always like that fit, healthy or very lean. That's one thing. But if it took you a lot of work to get there, that is simply merely a symptom of all the stress that you put your body through, which likely is, you know, shortening your life. I always say that I hit the genetic lottery
01:11:11
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Like if I were a caveman kind of thing, then I think that I have like amazing genetics. I can build strength very easy and I can put on fat very easy. Losing fat is fucking hard for me. So that's another benefit.
01:11:28
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Like if I were a caveman, I would be like fucking like that's the optimal genetics. But like in the modern day when everything's got poopas and all these other things, it's just like extremely hard to try and get lean. And I really have to work at it and be intensely committed to losing weight for it to happen. And like what you're saying is it's probably putting a lot of stress on my metabolism and other things.
01:11:57
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Yeah, that's why if you want, we can talk after I can help you. There's certain sub again, the supplements. Right now alone. Right. Well, that's that is a good one. But there are other ones where you want to basically reduce the catabolic side of the actually a lot of a lot of steroids, quote unquote, they're not necessarily super anabolic, but they're anti catabolic. Right. So a lot of these guys like
01:12:31
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and some of these compounds, they help you keep muscle while on a caloric deficit coming up to a show, for example. And it's because these compounds, they prevent breakdown of tissue. Not so much that they facilitate the building of tissue, you know what I mean? So if you can, blood cord is always kind of at the receptor level. If you can oppose it with more compounds,
01:12:58
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Which, by the way, vitamin D is one of those. Sufficient vitamin D can actually do that. Then you can maintain more muscle, recover faster. Because then, you know, you have catabolic and anabolic stuff. So, you know, the gym, the cardio, whatever, that's catabolic, the overnight fast, that's catabolic. Then you have the anabolic, so they're eating the food and the rest.
01:13:23
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So when you sleep, if you can keep cortisol lower, you're reducing a little bit the catabolic aspect. If you can do that a few percentage points, then your overall net anabolic effect will be greater. Not because you added more food, but because you reduced cortisol.
01:13:42
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It's mostly cortisol that you want to kind of. Well and that was the argument for fasting like giving your body a break from all of the anabolic kind of thing like you're in growth mode is how like people would talk about it like you're constantly like stimulating the mTOR pathway and that's why the thought process was that you're constantly stimulating the mTOR pathway you're constantly growing in this anabolic state eating.
01:14:08
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throughout the entire day. The only time that you're having a break is the eight hours that you sleep at night because then as soon as you wake up you're eating again and then you're like growing the thought process goes that you're growing like certain kinds of cancers or other diseases because you're never giving your body a break to work on itself and get rid of those things naturally. Yeah. Whereas our ancestors would have that ability because they would go extended periods without eating. Yeah.
01:14:37
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I know I've heard that kind of line of thinking and it's like it's like the I think it was Chris Master John that was saying
01:14:50
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You will get sarcopenia way sooner than you'll get cancer if you do protein restriction to increase your longevity. And we know that sarcopenia, loss of muscle mass, loss of muscle strength, these are among the biggest predictors of early death.
01:15:13
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So I really, again, I know I don't really have evidence to back this up. It's my personal view that these things, so caloric restriction, fasting, protein restriction to inhibit mTOR or whatever else, a lot of these things, they are thrown at us to shape public opinion.
01:15:42
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in order for people to engage in them so that they may become weaker and just die. That's what the powers that be want. And on the way, if we can, you know, sell you some procedures and drugs, that will also be good.
01:15:59
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Oh, and that's that's so last year for the greater reset last January, January 2023, we invited Ken Berry to speak, which there's a lot of like vegans in our crowd, especially like there's two events in Mexico and Bastrop. This was the first year where we only did one event in Mexico. Mexico definitely leans heavy vegan.
01:16:21
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And so we had ken berry get on there and the first thing is like, yeah, veganism is all about feeding the population slave food. And then the Mexico crew was so pissed because there's like, hey, come on, we're mostly vegan over here.
01:16:37
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Well, but it he's he's absolutely right. I do think that a lot of these narratives that are put in or injected into the nutrition community are to make us fat, sick, weak. Like there's a ton of pushback because now like the levees kind of breaking, right? Like red meat, saturated fat.
01:17:02
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eating a ton of protein because that's that's what I'm saying is the levees breaking with all of these things that these things are actually really really good for you and you really can't eat enough protein and now like all of the guys all of the like the usual suspects the vegans are saying no no no you shouldn't be eating more than like half a gram per body weights and
01:17:26
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And red meat actually is bad for you. Netflix just came out with another vegan documentary. It's like, how many vegan bullshit vegan documentaries do we have to go through and debunk before we can finally acknowledge, yeah, meat is a health food.
01:17:41
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Yeah. And by the way, I really, I think because the food supply has been so badly destroyed, a lot of the conventional red meat may be, may be less good than obviously the good high quality stuff. So if John Baker seems to think that it's not that big of a difference.
01:18:04
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I know I have heard him say that, but it depends. If the meat is very lean, generally a lot of the sort of the pops, the persistent organic pollutants, the lipophilic toxins, they tend to be sequestered in the fatty tissue. So if you eat very lean meat conventionally grown,
01:18:32
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You're going to definitely not get a lot of that, right? Same with dairy, if it's kind of more low-fat, same-y skim, this kind of stuff, you're actually going to be avoiding a lot of these toxins. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what? That makes a ton of sense because, you know, people have talked about that if you lose fat too fast, you're actually releasing a bunch of toxins into the bloodstream and you could actually start getting pretty sick.
01:19:13
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It's no badge of honor to lose a lot of weight very quickly, you know, especially if your liver and your detoxification, if you don't support your detoxification system on the way, because when you release those poofas, never mind the pops, the persistent organic pollutants, just those poofas alone circulating, they're gonna damage blood vessels, organs, the liver. So,
01:19:26
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I talk about that in
01:19:43
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Yeah, but that's another role. It's literally every single, every second thing in the, in the zeitgeist, when you really kind of break it down, it's harmful. It's actually- Oh, and that Sally Fallon Morell, I think you might've touched on it too, that
01:20:02
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like glyphosate Actually replaces it's like a molecule off or not even molecule like an atom off like it's so identical to glycine and that's why glycine or people are so deficient in glycine and and all these kinds of things is because glyphosate is actually replacing the the glycine molecule and is our bodies are up taking glyphosate instead and
01:20:29
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that could be another major driver why we have so many nutritional deficiencies is because these pesticides and inorganic pollutants and stuff are so similar and probably for you know that's probably also why they structured it in such a way to be similar so our bodies uptake that instead of the natural I mean that would be a really like complex convoluted conspiracy if that was actually what was going on why glyphosate is so similar to glycine but it's it stands to reason that that
01:20:58
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could be a reason why it was created that way. Well, they've had for a hundred years, they've had the best, the brightest minds researching these things. So it seems to me, how, like bro, how does one goddamn thing that like of these hundred thousand plus chemicals, how is like one of them not magically beneficial to the body? You know what I mean? It's like a testosterone,
01:21:27
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androgen receptor agonist. So it will help you bulk up without suppressing your androgens. And, you know, it's a thyroid memetic, so it will boost your metabolism. No, they're agonistic to the thyroid. They block iodine. You know, they're estrogenic or, you know what I mean? Christian, they're putting fluoride in the water to keep our teeth strong and healthy.
01:21:53
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There is one I guess. So there's fluoride and then one big one that I learned from Gary Brekka is folic acid and how they spray a lot of a lot of grains like
01:22:09
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Like white bread in the store and white rice in the store, a lot of it is called enriched, but it's not fucking enriched. It's sprayed with folic acid, which our bodies don't like, but they're trying to compensate. Well, I mean, is it nefarious or are they actually trying to help and they just fucked it up? I mean, like that's where the argument is.
01:22:28
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But they're trying to compensate for the lack of folate in our diets, but folate's super abundant in eggs, right? But then they say that you shouldn't eat eggs, or at least the egg yolks. You should be eating egg whites only because the egg yolks have so much cholesterol, it's going to give you heart disease. Bro, it's like, you see,
01:22:52
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I really don't think you cannot make that many mistakes because again, the brightest minds, they're coming up with health policy, nutrition policies, law, all this stuff, governance, government, it's allegedly the brightest minds. So to get to blunder so badly decade after decade, you have to be
01:23:15
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on, I don't know, like 10 milligrams of fluoride a goddamn day, not see through that shit, man. You're taking shots of fluoride. You're like intravenous shots of flu infusions of fluoride. God damn it. Dude, that was my, uh, one of my coworkers, Brad, he's like, he's like a nomad kind of guy, but he was saying that, that when he was a kid, they used to bring, so he's a little bit older than me. I'm 27, he's 38. He said when he was a kid,
01:23:46
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me 27 yeah i thought you said you're like 30 31 bro what the hell i'm sorry elizabeth 31 oh my god you even you never mind like never mind anything i said so far you you got another five years of of destroying yourself and aging yourself don't let's go let's go more destruction sorry i didn't mean to interrupt
01:24:10
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No, no, no, not at all. So Brad was saying that when he was in grade school that there used to be a like fluoride salesman kind of guy or who even knows. But yeah, he would come by the school with like a jug of pure fluoride and he would pour in like little Dixie cups for all of the kids.
01:24:32
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some fluoride for them to take a shot of and rinse around, and then they were instructed spit back out. But these are children. How many of those children accidentally swallowed it or even swallowed a little bit? I mean, anything that goes in your mouth, you're gonna be swallowing some of it. So, I mean, I'm just like, how fucking sick is that? Because we definitely knew back in the 80s and early 90s, we knew what the fuck fluoride was doing. I mean, wasn't it in Nazi concentration camps?
01:25:01
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It's rat poison and sodium fluoride. It's fucking rat poison. Well, I mean, the main thing that I knew about fluoride was that it was like a byproduct of like the smelting process for aluminum. And then to get rid of it, they just kind of convinced the government like, hey, this is actually healthy for teeth to produce a couple of bullshit studies. The government just signs off on the dotted line. And now we've got a smelting byproduct in our water supply. Yeah, dude.
01:25:35
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What can you say? What can you even say to that? Like, yeah, you just hope you just hope like you wake up and then you're in another dimension and your soul is like, oh, thank God. That was a dream. Right. So reality, you know, that's what you like. That's what you have to, by the way, go ahead.
01:25:55
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Talking about Thomas de Lauer earlier, he's a good guy. I also like him, you know, he's a genuine guy. But again, and I'm not saying I know it all. I definitely have been very humbled by the stuff I discovered this year. And I know I know very little, but
01:26:19
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These guys are like pushing fish oil as if it's the magical thing. Do you know? Here's the thing, bro. If you know, Jack or tiny bit about poofus is that they're very peroxidizable, right? So omega mono and saturated fats are more peroxidizable than saturated fats.
01:26:46
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Omega sixes are more peroxidizable than olive oil or monounsaturated, but then omega threes, they're even more unsaturated. So they're even more vulnerable.
01:26:59
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You made that comment in the health summit. You didn't really elaborate it on like you just did. But you said if you could say like one thing, it's like, stop taking the fish oil, stop supplementing with it. It's doing more harm than good. It wasn't, yeah, there wasn't time enough. But like these omegas, like just general poofers, they're so immunosuppressive. I talk about this in the book. They're so immunosuppressive that they used to use them
01:27:24
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after people would get an organ transplant, they would give them like PUFAs to suppress their immune system so they wouldn't reject the organ. Right? So Omega-3s, they say they're anti-inflammatory. And the reason they're anti-inflammatory is because they're suppressing your freaking immune system. I'm going to do a whole podcast episode about that at some point. I just need to get some more research together for it.
01:27:51
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hell yeah and that I mean I definitely love to check that out once that comes out and I can't wait for the book in a couple of days that sounds sounds awesome I can't wait to tear through that bad boy and then I can actually be more elaborate because I tell a lot of the people that I work with they're still in the mindset of fasting and intermittent fasting and John's like oh let's go back on keto let's let's start doing intermittent fasting again because he wants to lose like a little bit of a little bit of weight that he's put on
01:28:18
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over the last couple of years since COVID and so he wants to go back on keto and fasting and I'm trying to tell him like my boy Christian told me that you know carbs you got to have carbs for healthy thyroid function and metabolic function all these kinds of various things and they're they're not believing me so much so it'll be nice to have like that scientific backing like hey look at this right here that Christian cited in his book and
01:28:42
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Yeah, so I'm actually I'm just gonna, I'm gonna put a note here to send him a copy of the book. I'll send a couple to your office, like I did with the other one. Just so he has one, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, perfect. Thanks, man. That's great. Just tell them, look, we're all stuck with the quarantine 15. They're not coming off.
01:29:09
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Yeah.
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01:29:10
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It's staying forever, baby. It's like, dude, I actually had gained weight as well because I also had a kid and there was all the stress involved. Here come the excuses. Yeah. It's like my baby weight, my wife lost it. I found it. But it is true, bro. Stress does cause you to gain weight. It does. Absolutely.
01:29:34
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Anyway, Ryan bro. Thanks so much for your time. We should do this again sometime. It's always fun We're gonna have you on my podcast soon Conspiratorial conspiring. I'm gonna fire that back up. I actually even done an episode in like two years but I'm ready to to get back on the saddle and and document the The collapse as we head into the great reset
01:29:59
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You got a knack for this kind of stuff, so you definitely ought to just revive it. Let the listeners know where they can connect with you and all that stuff, please.
01:30:12
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Yeah, absolutely. So my name is Ryan amenity. I'm the VP of sales here at live free Academy. We actually have our flagship event called the exit and build land summit. It's the fourth iteration of it. We teach people about homesteading, organic gardening, permaculture buying land and building community in the country. So if that's something that sounds
01:30:36
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like you'd be interested in it, trying to get out of smart cities, we teach people about CBDCs and how to opt out of those, how to utilize crypto, all that kind of stuff. If that's something that you're interested in, I would direct you towards livefree.academy. And if you want to check out the events page and see what we're going
01:30:56
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what we've got going on, check out livefree.academy slash events. And you can see what we're up to and maybe even check out the land summit that's happening in May. But thanks again for inviting me on Christian. I really appreciated it. Thank you, brother.