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201- When will the world go vegan? (and other predictions...)
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Using the amassed wisdom, experience & tarot card collection between Julie, Paul, Carlos & Ant, we cast our minds forward in this episode and try to predict how the vegan movement may develop over the coming years.
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Julie, Paul, Carlos & Anthony
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody, get your tarot cards and crystal balls ready because it is a divination special here at Enough of the Falafel. For this one, I'm Anthony and for this episode I'm also joined by Julie, Paul and Carlos.
00:00:16
Speaker
So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrrr! Take your flat grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. What about your protein and what about your iron levels? Should I call the media and say, hi, sorry. They're arguing like, oh, poor woe is me.
00:00:35
Speaker
Hang on a minute. You always pick.
00:00:43
Speaker
of social injustice has connection another. That's just what people think vegans eat anyway. As long as you didn't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be all right. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:00:58
Speaker
No, I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hello everyone, this is Paul. Welcome to this episode of Vegan Talk. Thank you for joining. Hello everybody, it's Julie here. This is Vegan Talk. We go into a topic with in a little bit more detail in these episodes and if you want to listen to some previous episodes of Vegan Talk, they are available, little a back numbers in your podcast feed.
Predicting Veganism's Future
00:01:30
Speaker
Hello everyone, and this is Carlos. Today we're going to talk about something a bit futuristic, literally. We're going to discuss our predictions for the future with regards to veganism and animal rights.
00:01:44
Speaker
Indeed, using all our accumulated knowledge and experience to make some predictions. Well, we've kind of touched upon this in the show in an unusual context.
00:01:54
Speaker
A couple of years ago, there was a quiz that I think, Paul, you were involved with. And one of the questions was, when has artificial intelligence predicted that the world will be vegan. The answer was 2075. I'm not sure what they base that on.
00:02:09
Speaker
And I have to say some of the other milestones that they were putting in sequence before 2075 kind of reduced its credibility, I think. But that has been put out there. Plant-based news reported on that a couple of years ago.
00:02:23
Speaker
Interesting, if you were to take things sort of mathematically, if you like, so looking at the rate of growth and just apply that rate of growth from the past and apply it forward into the future, in the UK, everybody would be vegan by 2040. Of course, things aren't that straightforward, but one mathematical perspective That could be um something that could happen in the future.
Climate Change and Veganism
00:02:47
Speaker
But equally, we've reported on changes over the last couple of years with regards to animal ag and other laws and other ways that animals are exploited. And we noticed there's a tipping point effect. So actually...
00:03:01
Speaker
It can just take one or two instances of something or a small percentage of people or actions for actually a so quite a significant thing to happen. There's also, of course, um climate change and the imperative that that might bring to the table. And as well as the fact that but very often when people are talking about Oh, the the world will be vegan by this time or dairy farming will have collapsed, blah, blah.
00:03:27
Speaker
That's talking about food, whereas we could have a completely plant-based food system in a country or a part of the country or indeed across a continent or the world. But that doesn't necessarily stop selective dog breeding or horse racing or people going fishing.
00:03:44
Speaker
in the river. As well as, of course, the Daily Mail and their friends saying, the vegan bubble has burst and in fact this isn't a movement that is accelerating, it's slowing down, it's a fad and it will be gone by next Tuesday, don't you worry about that.
00:04:00
Speaker
So I've got a few questions for Carlos, Paul and Julie.
Future of Animal Rights and Veganism
00:04:04
Speaker
And obviously, in in a sense, it's a little bit of fun. We'll just see what their predictions are. going to ask them to nail their flag to the mast.
00:04:11
Speaker
So perhaps if we can go to Carlos first and then Julie and then Paul, just because that's the audio on my screen. ah My first question is, what do you think will be the next significant development in the animal rights world?
00:04:26
Speaker
vegan movement that will nudge the dial, hopefully in a positive direction, or maybe in a not so positive direction. are you happy to go first, Carlos, the next significant development? Yeah, sure. I think, I mean, it's not one that I would choose, but it's one that i predict, let's say, trying to be as objective as possible.
00:04:48
Speaker
I think it will be climate climate imperatives. So the environmental burden of animal agriculture that I think more and more of the general public is starting to realize is completely unsustainable.
00:05:00
Speaker
It goes from, you know, ah emissions of methane and collapse of biodiversity, water scarcity. There's a big drive to, you know, tighten climate policies around the world, um count every every ah particle of carbon emitted.
00:05:16
Speaker
And once this kind of goes forward, governments will face pressure to phase out subsidies for animal farming. We could even see some regulatory interventions. You know, there's a People seem fond of tariffs these days.
00:05:29
Speaker
So there could be ah something about tariffs or or taxes done on meats or maximum emissions for certain industries or based those on consumption.
00:05:40
Speaker
So either on the business or on the consumer. This has nothing to do with animal rights or animal immigration liberation, but there could be a shift towards kind of plant-based ah food system rather than an animal-based food system.
00:05:55
Speaker
yeah well that's my uh that's my prediction for the the first big uh significant development yeah i mean those outcomes are certainly desirable the ah the means and the ah the stimulus for it being being climate change is is not a positive one but yeah definitely see where you're coming from there thank you for that one carlos julie what are your thoughts then what's going to be the next nudge of the needle what do you think I'm going to be more sceptical about the nature of human beings here and their ability to link something that shouldn't be abstract, like the environment, to their own behaviour. Because I know tons of people who are really present as invested in environmental things, doing all kinds of things that are very unenvironmentally friendly in their day-to-day life without even you know thinking about it.
00:06:45
Speaker
So I think if there's going to be a big step forward in the reduction of animal abuse and slaughter, and I know that veganism is not just about what people eat, but it's what people eat is ah an awful big part of animal abuse and and use, but I think it's going to be much closer to to us individually. I think that there will be something coming out.
00:07:15
Speaker
I'm not saying there's going to be another pandemic, but I think there'll be some other breakthrough in understanding of our health that might move the needle a bit and put people off.
00:07:27
Speaker
And I think, sadly, that human beings are inherently self-interested first and if they think there's going to be some negative impact on them in consuming something like bacon or something you know i mean and they really kind of get hard evidence about it that might change i think we're going to have to appeal to people's self-preservation instinct rather than anything else i think there might be that
00:07:58
Speaker
Yeah, I like it. I like it. let's Let's hope so. And I mean, we've also we've already got a jingle that Dominic did for us that can that can head it up. Here it is.
00:08:09
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nobody needs bacon so there we are we've got a starting point paul these are two positive nudges of the needle are you oh look he's already got a crystal ball he's holding it up i thought it's it's you know it's gone half past seven i thought you might be getting a a vegan flavored liqueur and i wondered whether that was that's what i've just said oh you're already sorted okay i wondered whether that was going to be your nudge of the needle that the vegan luck market explodes what What do you think then? what's What's going to be the next significant development, do you
Generational Shifts Towards Veganism
00:08:39
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think?
00:08:39
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So i had to think about it. I don't think there's going to be a ah ah quick or single thing, unfortunately. So, you know, I thought about, you know, could it be a health scare? I don't think so because, ah you know, we've seen how people who reacted to COVID. I don't think it's going to be that.
00:08:55
Speaker
I also wondered whether it might be something like the development of lab-grown meat, which um I think will help, but I don't think it's going to be... significant enough so i i think then the next significant development will will be quite a slow burn thing and and this will sound a bit morose but i think it's basically older people dying who have got more um or less um attraction to veganism and younger people starting to represent more of the population and having more of a positive um view of veganism. So think I think it's just going to be, sounds a bit um vague, but it's going to be the the march of time. It's probably going to be the the thing that does it rather than anything like, as I say, like a health scare or something like that.
00:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I think I'm writing saying that the anti-slavery movement got to a point where it had done a lot of persuading And a lot of people had changed their minds, but there was just stubborn minority that would not change their mind on the fact that slavery was was not a good thing. And basically, people just had to wait for them to die.
00:10:02
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I think I've got that right. I'm i'm not. particularly clued up on the subject but yeah think that's definitely ah ah part of it isn't it from all the studies and demographics we get thank you for that one paul for what it's worth i think um what i'm seeing um quite a lot of at the moment are sort of single issue not just campaigns but single issue things being cancelled being made illegal and being outlawed businesses greyhound tracks or whatever just closing down And I wonder whether actually we're quite close to a tipping point with enough of these things happening.
00:10:41
Speaker
but but Very often it it just requires a minority. of these things to happen and then all of a sudden all of the countries in the world are starting to ban something or it's it's no longer legal. So not necessarily to do with food, um but to do with practices where animals are objectified, oppressed, um incarcerated, forced to train, forced to to to do whatever.
00:11:03
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Don't think there'll be a complete banning of of all these things, but enough different things, you know, such and such a sport's not in the Olympics anymore. This this cultural practice doesn't exist anymore.
00:11:15
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um And I'm sure there'll be some hangers-on and some some cultural traditions that people insist is it's their right to hold on to because people don't like to be told that they're not allowed to do what they want anymore, of course.
00:11:29
Speaker
But I wonder whether the majority of a lot of cultures and populations will start saying, Yeah, actually, now I think about it, when I apply that to my dog, when I apply that to whatever, that wouldn't be okay. So maybe it's not okay for me to watch this orca show or to go and watch this race or to breed animals in this way or whatever. i am I can see more movement in that.
00:11:56
Speaker
um And I might include, you know, we're we're hopefully on the cusp of trail hunting being banned in the UK. Yeah. just, just things like that. I think it's um becoming less and less the norm, hopefully to to objectify animals in that particular way for, for entertainment and things like that.
00:12:13
Speaker
Cool. Okay. Good start. I knew I would enjoy this, right? Let's, let's move on to the next question. Okay. Next question I've got for you. Do you think the world or significant parts of it will go completely vegan eventually? So like a a whole country is vegan or a or the whole world, do you think that will actually happen one day, whether it's in our lifetime or not?
00:12:35
Speaker
and And if so, sort of what changes do you predict? And when when do you think it might happen? Julie, are you happy to kick us off? Yeah, I don't think it's going to. I don't want to be pessimistic, but and I'm already quite old, so don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime.
00:12:50
Speaker
I don't know about the whole going vegan thing. I would love it to be the case, but I would have a bit more optimism about the world becoming plant-based perhaps, but the whole, you know, going vegan entirely.
00:13:10
Speaker
It would be a lovely natural evolution as a species. You know, we were primitive, we had certain resources that were available to us and maybe we i don't know because i wasn't there i'm i'm old but i'm not that old but a maybe we feel we didn't have any alternative but to use and abuse animals at some point in our evolution and we're definitely way past that now so definitely be possible to have a world like that i would love to have it but i'm not i don't know
00:13:49
Speaker
I wouldn't set my hopes on it too much, but it's always a lovely goal to have. and ah And if some of us can live that way, all of us can, I think. But yeah, I never give up hope, but I'm not not too optimistic on that happening anytime soon, really. But yeah, plant-based would make a lot of sense to a lot of people who don't really care about animal rights.
00:14:14
Speaker
And I don't think that's too much of a stretch for... I'm only talking about my experience of the world as being... I live in Scotland in the UK. I haven't lived in other countries where the whole relationship to animal agriculture is completely different.
00:14:33
Speaker
So I cannot speak for that. That must be um a more difficult switch to do, really, I would have thought. but I can only speak for me in my tiny little country of Scotland. So yeah, nothing too kind of well informed for me on that topic, but and lovely ambition. I'm not hanging my hopes on it.
00:14:56
Speaker
Yeah, we're we're all just punting and hypothesising, aren't we? And no, honesty is very much the order of the day. Paul, what are you thinking? feeling more optimistic than that? ah No, I'm going to continue the optimism there from Julie.
00:15:11
Speaker
I wonder why we're all bothering really, don't we? But anyway, um yeah, um I think, no, I think in seriousness, I think there could be pockets all of this sort of thing.
00:15:25
Speaker
And probably, as Judy said, more about plant-based plants. activity rather than veganism. I think there'll be pockets geographically or in social social groups. So I think we might see that.
00:15:35
Speaker
But I think the reality is we'll probably be extinct before we realise our mistakes, you know, and we'll probably be on the cusp of the apocalypse thinking... oh yeah, maybe we should have ah maybe we should have done that. And you know when all the rich people are suddenly realising that their riches don't buy any kind of benefit, um yeah we'll all be equal in the apocalypse.
00:15:57
Speaker
And yeah, that'll be it. I'm just going to clip. That's my positive take. That's going be our new intro, I think. We'll all be equal in the apocalypse.
00:16:08
Speaker
ah Right, Carlos, are we having unilateral no's? Vegan world's not going to happen? Yeah, I mean, vegan world, I think, is a really big demand. I will say, i mean, nobody's going to check if my prediction is correct. And if they do check, um I'll be already dead. So who cares, really? But I will say before the end of the century, I could imagine the world going...
00:16:28
Speaker
major The major food system of the world will be plant-based by the end of the century. the world will not be vegan people will still you know kill spiders instead of taking them out gently of their own out of their own homes or whatever. But the world will be, the major food systems of the world will be vegan by the end of
Barriers to a Vegan World
00:16:47
Speaker
the century. that That's, again, beyond my lifespan.
00:16:50
Speaker
It's already recognized that industrial and but agriculture is economically and ecologically unsustainable. I mean, the the economics of it are apparent because we know that these industries have to be subsidized to even exist.
00:17:02
Speaker
And if the the true prices came to the consumers, the consumers would either go completely plant-based or, or or just almost go plant-based just because of the cost. And then, especially in the global north, because we have such small lands that can be used for farming and for people, and we're so kind of so already boxed in, let alone with you know doing it in the most you know producing food in the least efficient way which is through the use of animals.
00:17:32
Speaker
Of course, I think by the end of the century, I would say that this kind of plant-based diet may kind of push people to think of veganism and there might be kind of a much bigger acceptance because we know that, you know, the systems we live in kind of then influence the culture we have. And in the same way that, you know, we had a completely different culture as a species when our food system was a huntergaer food system which 90% gathering and like 10% hunting or scavenging dead animals that are predators that kill for us because we we're crap hunters until, you know, firearms and and technology.
00:18:11
Speaker
and And, you know, hunter-gatherers had a particular style of society and beliefs and religions and the way they organized, you know, themselves as as people and and their relations and families and so forth. And then Once we discover another way to produce food, you know, just settling in the same place and and producing crops and and and kind of keeping the animals close by that we wanted to hunt, that created a completely different way of organizing society. And I think shifting from the current systems we have to produce food that are based on animals to a system that uses plants, for the most part, or almost entirely, will also change the culture that comes with it. And that culture will be one where this kind of
00:18:55
Speaker
the fact we're not we don' we're we're not carrying the burden of abusing animals for our food, then we'll probably will make us more compassionate, considerate for other animals this does not mean a vegan world by the end of the century But I think the pure economics and the kind of ecological aspect of it will drive a plant-based food system in most of the world by the end of the century.
00:19:21
Speaker
Of course, there'll be places in the world where ah plant-based ah food system is completely unsustainable by itself. But those are such extreme cases that I think they they will never come to pass.
00:19:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And i I completely agree with you, Carlos, in terms of it it being, it's it's a lot easier for folk to be more compassionate towards animals unilaterally if they're not having to go through the cognitive dissonance of, well, I'll just ignore what I had for breakfast.
00:19:51
Speaker
um Yeah, it it just makes it so much easier. It makes it so much easier. If you're already paying for animals to be abused, then if you do a little abuse yourself, it kind of just gets, well, kind of all cost all goes together. In the same way, when you become a vegan, then all animal abuse becomes untenable. Or or even for people who just adopt a plant-based diet, then other kinds of animal abuse just become much more untenable because they they they can't just kind of sweep it under the rug together with all the other stuff that's going on.
00:20:19
Speaker
Absolutely. Okay, my thoughts, there definitely was a time in the last five, 10 years where like the momentum of the vegan movement was such that I was like, my God, we're going to do it like by the end of my lifetime. like that this This is happening.
00:20:36
Speaker
That was when I was working in a vegan business seven days a week. And so I think possibly that contributed to my, oh my God, look, look at all these people eating plant-based foods. I wasn't working in an Aberdeen Angus steakhouse.
00:20:48
Speaker
I think that we can't necessarily conceive of how life can change over centuries because we don't live that long. But if we could go back in a and a time machine, let's say to the 17th century or 18th,
00:21:03
Speaker
or maybe a bit further back to like the 13th century. In the world today, there is still slavery. There's still racism. There's still sexism and misogyny and lots of things that any decent social justice campaigner or compassionate minded person would say, that's not a good thing.
00:21:23
Speaker
However, there's been differences huge movements towards eradicating and reducing those things. And I think if we were to go back in time a few hundred years ago, it might be quite shocking that how normalized things like slavery, misogyny, racism, things like that were.
00:21:44
Speaker
um And like I say, I'm definitely not saying that those things don't exist anymore because regrettably they do. But for that reason, the fact that that change can happen and has happened gives me hope. I think as few of us have touched on, there is a very big difference between saying there's a 100% vegan world versus vegan.
00:22:06
Speaker
verses Pretty much every everyone eats pretty much plant-based pretty much most of the time. And obvious animal cruelty isn't happening.
00:22:20
Speaker
But actually, when you look at it, people are still treating pets like pets rather than fellow animals that we share their planet with. you know i So so i I don't think there's going to be a time, any time in the next few hundred years, i don't think, where the whole population and human population of the planet is living in a vegan way in the in the ways that us four on this show and and and and and our listeners might be.
00:22:50
Speaker
And I think part of that is because we're living in a non-vegan world and possibly the way that we're focusing on it and we're conscious of it um and how important it is to us is really heightened.
00:23:02
Speaker
Whereas if kind of just generally being compassionate and nice and not oppressing is the norm, then perhaps there might be occasional little blind spots or things you don't notice. But I'm i'm hopeful that that can happen.
00:23:16
Speaker
And I know that um these things will we'll make a bit of progress and then they'll go back a little bit and and what have you. um And as I think we've, again, already touched on, there could just be an event or events that take things out of our hands. And I would much rather that we have a vegan or vegan-ish world because people's people become enlightened and their awareness gets raised and they're they're educated but if there's a great big fucking pandemic and governments just have to outlaw animal ag i mean that's horrible but that that could fast forward things i hope that's not the case for for several reasons but there we are that's my two pennies worth or i went on a bit there probably six pennies worth okay
00:24:03
Speaker
A tiny wee bit to add, I think, though, is that we can't stop ourselves, it seems, from abusing and killing our own species. So it doesn't really bode well for us stopping abusing and killing animals, does it?
00:24:23
Speaker
Downer of the week from Julie. No, but it's true, isn't I you are ah agree with you, Julie. And at the same time, during the progress that there's been in anti-slavery progress, anti-this, anti-that, other social justice progress has happened in the last 200 years.
00:24:44
Speaker
whilst we've been continuing to kill one another. So like I don't necessarily think one eliminates the possibility of the other. um It would be nice if we could eliminate both, wouldn't it?
00:24:55
Speaker
But yeah, I completely agree with your point. So let's let's turn things a bit more can-do. that the The fact that we've got scepticism about how... um ready to go a vegan world is, doesn't take away the fact that the four of us and everyone listening would like that to be the case. And we want to, and we are making efforts to move things in that direction. so hypothetical question, if someone comes rushing to you and says, Paul, I want to bring about this world that you want to make the case, the changes that you want to see in the world, viz, compassion, animal rights, veganism, I want to help make that happen.
Strategies for Vegan Advocacy
00:25:40
Speaker
what What would you say to them? give up hope there's no point it's not gonna happen no i think um i'd probably say don't try and boil the ocean well one that's bad for marine life but um just try and focus on relatively small gains because it's such a big area to try and achieve and this is a bit while i'm i kind of tend to be less abolitionist in my approach which i know not everyone will agree with but um I think just focus on smaller campaigns, smaller victories, individual causes, and to get wins in those is is more realistic, and it's more achievable. And i think it's I think it's better for your mental health as well, because it's kind of rather than try and take the burden of everything in one go, it's kind like,
00:26:25
Speaker
focus on this and then i'm going to try and focus on okay it could be two or three things at one time that's fine but not everyone can you know i'm sure all of us you can't process all of the bad things that are going on to animals it is it it's it's it's really difficult and it's i don't think it's necessarily good for you but if you can focus on some things and try and make changes there i think that's more realistic thanks paul carlos what you telling that person that's saying carlos i want to help what can i do is this person already vegan or not you decide Okay, I'll decide. oh Well, let's say they're already vegan, because if they're not, that would be the first step.
00:26:57
Speaker
And then, you know, the first step would be, you know, before you think about changing the world, just change yourself and the things that are kind of within your reach. But assuming they're vegan, I would say never be never be ah apologetic about being a vegan, which means that when you in a situation where you're vegan, you know, don't say, don't apologize for being a nuisance or for being oh, sorry, you have to prepare a different food for me or you have to take this into consideration. Never apologize for being a vegan because you're right.
00:27:23
Speaker
and And, you know, you should set the example of being, of, you know, having this kind of righteousness about ourselves. Gosh, that's exactly the thing they say that's bad about vegans, but let's ignore that for now.
00:27:36
Speaker
um And, you know, just ah just kind of just speak out and, and and you know, be compassionate. and and kind of support activism, you know, whatever you can do and that's within your capabilities do that sort of activism.
00:27:52
Speaker
i think veganism meant but like as a first step should be about yourself and kind of trying to to embrace veganism yourself. But then after a while, once you've kind of cracked figoism you should definitely an activist and you should definitely be and advocate for it in all circumstances.
00:28:09
Speaker
Hang out with other vegans, you know build a vegan community because all these those big changes that Ant has been talking about, they all happened as people working together. They were not like individuals going, oh, I hate slavery.
00:28:20
Speaker
I'm not going to buy any slaves myself. you know that that That didn't crack. That didn't change the world. right It had to be you know the anti-slavers, people in the anti-slavery movement had to band together and kind of work together locally in various places and sometimes true you know sometimes through peaceful protests, sometimes through armed rebellion, which I'm not advocating for veganism, by the way.
00:28:41
Speaker
not on this podcast at least. And then, you know, I'll try to maybe build alliances with other justice movements. You know, there's a, there's a thread of compassion and that kind of cuts across climate justice, anti-racism, workers' rights, indigenous so so sovereignty, you know, try to, try to kind of use that thread to kind cross. I've had lots of,
00:29:07
Speaker
discussions, positive discussions with people on the left, of which I include myself, were not vegan, but I kind of started with them on the basis of kind of, you know, body autonomy, being able to dictate your future, future freedom, reducing suffering, etc., etc. you know, there there was lots of good conversations to be had try to find your allies, try to find your community.
00:29:30
Speaker
And never apologize. Like it. Goodness. Lots of suggestions there. Thank you, Carlos. Julie, let's finish with you. what are you going to tell that person that wants to help? Well, similar to what Carlos was saying, I would say start with yourself and make sure that your own veganism healthy.
00:29:50
Speaker
is a good example to other people and something that might be inspirational and something that other people might aspire to you know make it something that that people can't find flaws in if you can you know i mean because people will look for that and look for inconsistencies and all the rest of it. So get yourself right, not just for that reason, but obviously for the sake of the animals.
00:30:15
Speaker
So that's the first thing, because it's hard enough to change yourself. It's extremely difficult to change other people. So be realistic about that. We might not ever influence one other person to go vegan, or we might influence loads.
00:30:31
Speaker
But the the main thing we have control over is our own relationship with animals so keep that right and kind of be nice to yourself about the fact that you're at least achieving that but never give up hope that you can influence other people's behaviour would say focus on as a starting point on your own talents and how perhaps you could use them to speak up for animals
00:31:05
Speaker
So if you are an artist of some description or if you're really good at public speaking or writing or you are someone who can write songs or whatever, but think about the thing that you enjoy and the thing you're good at and and find a way perhaps to do some advocacy built into that and that will be you sort of at your most effective.
00:31:28
Speaker
And I would say just speak up for animals at every single opportunity. and And I think that our day-to-day life always gives us opportunities to speak up for animals.
00:31:41
Speaker
Absolutely. Because there is so much animal use and abuse out there. You know, they they the kind of other side of that is there are lots of places that you can...
00:31:52
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and express your dissent or withdraw your custom or whatever it is and and celebrate every single little comment that you make that might hit home with people, maybe not at the time but they might reflect on it or every time that you withhold your financial support from something or whatever, it's all wins really. So I would say Focus on the things that you can manage, focus on the things you're good at and don't pass up on an opportunity.
00:32:31
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Animals aren't voiceless but they are silenced in our society so weaken we can kind of speak up for them. Absolutely.
00:32:42
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Nice one. Well, thank you, the three of you for those answers. You missed the obvious answer as to what people can do if they want to help the vegan movement. And that is listen to the Enough of the Falafel podcast. So, um you know, better luck next time.
00:32:56
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um But on ah on a serious note, everybody listening, like we're really grateful that you've joined us for this show. Like we we hope that you found it useful, maybe entertaining, maybe inspiring, or maybe we've just been some background noise while you've been doing the washing up.
00:33:09
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00:33:31
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Whatever. that That increases our visibility too. so And obviously you won't be saying that about Paul. It was an excellent point. But that helps us get out to new people who, like you, are vegan or vegan curious.
00:33:43
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and And so if they can hear our work, then we would very much like to to have that out there for them. Julie, what should people do if they want to send us an email?
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00:33:53
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To get in touch with us, just email us on enoughofthefalafel at gmail.com.
00:33:59
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Well, everybody, thanks so much for listening. And I just want to give you a heads up about the next Enough of the Falafel episode, which will come out on Monday. And that will be Vegan Week, which is our usual weekly roundup of the latest vegan and animal rights news.
00:34:16
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Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thanks to Carlos, Julie and Anthony for your contributions. Thanks again everyone for listening. I've been Paul and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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00:34:50
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And sometimes, if you're lucky, at the end of an episode, you'll hear a poem by Mr Dominic Berry. Thanks all for listening and see you next time.
00:35:16
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