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Episode 46: Tara talks health and Naturopathy
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This week Dr. Tara Coppola joins us to discuss health. We talk nutrition, exercise, and more!
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Transcript
Humorous Take on Disliking Sleep
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I have no doubt, sir. Zoe says, i just don't like sleeping.
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I love her so much. kids Your kids are so good. they're So funny. I just don't like sleeping. No wonder you're fucking maniac. All right. Are you guys ready?
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Speaker
Yeah. Let me take a sip of this meat. i don't know what we're doing. I'm here.
00:01:01
Speaker
That's the way the guests work better is when they don't know what we're doing. Because if they get a head start, they think about the questions and then even though they're still hard. It's perfect.
Introduction to 'Toxic Masculinity' Podcast
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Hey kids, welcome to Toxic Massuality with Ian and Stuart.
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This week we have my friend Tara with us. She's going to talk about some medical stuff. I think I'm going to try to pry out her and some other things. But first of all, how are you guys doing? Is everybody good? Everybody good? Yeah.
00:01:25
Speaker
I'm good. Yeah. Tara, are you well? How are you feeling? I thought you were asking the audience. i'm like, okay, are we waiting for an answer? Nope, there's no audience. I mean, the dogs, Stuart's dog, maybe. The girls are asleep, so it's not them.
Ian's Anniversary Celebration Story
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You know what I'm saying? I'm...
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I was out last night with Siobhan. Yeah, it was your anniversary. It was our anniversary. So we went and stayed in a nice and country house hotel. Yeah, we saw the fancy Guinness pictures from you guys. Fancy. That's just Guinness pictures. am and Yeah. Yeah, woke up with moderately sore head this morning.
00:02:09
Speaker
I wonder why. but I wonder why, yeah. Well, we got talking to the barman. And he was like, hey, try try this cocktail. And then we were like, that cocktail was nice, but it should probably be a bit stronger. And he went, I'll make you from so Oh, man. How are you, Terry? You good?
00:02:32
Speaker
I'm doing good. It's a beautiful 70-something degrees here in Arizona. 70-something here, too. It's really nice out. We've got the same kind of weather right now. It's breezy and well might be slightly more humid here.
00:02:44
Speaker
We did have rain. I don't either of you. For like two seconds this morning. Yeah. I think we had rain yesterday for like two seconds. Stuart's probably freezing. because fucking I am freezing.
00:02:55
Speaker
What is it? What it temperature is it there in Freedom Units? In Freedom Units? I'm going fuck it You can tell both because there's Europeans that listen to the show too and they'll know. Canadians too, I think.
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Freedom Units.
00:03:12
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I'm not sure I can use that term anymore. True story. on Five degrees. So C. You say five degrees C. Yeah.
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and Which is 41 degrees and three degrees. Too cold. No, thank you. I'm going to pass on that. Thank you. Yeah. But i mean, we we live in brick houses and we have heating and it's fine.
00:03:41
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I have cement block house, but yeah, I just live in Florida for now. Yeah, I'm not sure I could deal with that. It's fine for a couple of weeks and then I'm like, get me away from this fucking Satan's armpit.
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It's just the fucking community. Oh, man. All
Reflecting on Masculinity - A Discussion
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right. So we always start the show with a question, Tara. So the question is, what does masculinity mean to you?
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Yep. It's a difficult question. Okay. So just remember, it's your own definition. Whatever it means to you. You're the only one answering what you already talked about. it oh my gosh.
00:04:24
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What does masculinity mean to me? Yep. yeah
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It's a difficult question. It's hard to nail down. That's why we ask for everybody's perspective. it's it's a It's definitely a difficult question. ah And like when I, like I don't even know, like, cause now my brain is trying to parse out. Okay. So what it it is, what I'm thinking actually masculinity, or is it what I know of just what the patriarchy is, you know, because we're, we're,
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we're like given these dualities between like quote unquote masculinity and femininity as like, uh, at least for my growing up in America in the eighties and the nineties, you know, there was like a ah split. You're like one or the other, but is that really what my definition of masculinity is? Or is it just, uh,
00:05:31
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something that was drilled into me because it was supposed to be the quote unquote norm and you don't go outside the quote unquote norm and you don't, um, you don't go against the patriarchal setup that's gifted to you.
00:05:48
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Um, gifted. Okay, well, I didn't have a choice as a kid. So what do you what are some elements of it that you think are true, like that you would see as masculine elements in person? Because we definitely have some.
00:06:03
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We don't think that masculinity is completely defined by masculine traits either, necessarily. So that's our take there. and I mean, oh my gosh.
00:06:17
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It's a rough question. This is how we get conversations started. It is a rough question. So, and it's, it's tough because like things I want to say, like when you think masculinity, you think, well, i I think I can only speak in I'm St. Stevens now. Yeah.
00:06:35
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I was going to say, let me present it to you like this. Then you can think of things that come to your mind, but if you, if you personally disagree with them, you can tell us why you disagree with them. andha You know what I mean? so I mean, not, I mean, disagree with them as a masculine trait because traits, you know, anyway, sorry. i trying to help you think through stuff. Go ahead.
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So the first things that come to mind are strength, strength, protection,
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Like part of me is actually imagining like my father on a white horse coming to save me from my childhood. And, but when I think about strength itself, it's not a solely masculine trait.
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Like definitely not it's it's a, it's a feminine trait as well. However, It's in some realms of society, the trait in a masculine essence is seen as positive, but the trait in a feminine essence is seen as more negative, you know, as it's not accepted as much.
00:07:55
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So like- To be strong? Strong. Absolutely. But I mean, I've seen pregnant women-
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That's a strange thing. Yeah, I know. It doesn't make sense for sure. I mean, that's me. I understand, but it's like the, it's the, it's like the 1950s attitude of a woman should be demure and, you know. Yeah.
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need need help yeah whatever the it's definitely outdated very old um ideal and yeah and it wasn't true then either yeah do you yeah no because you know again pregnant ladies god damn yeah just right that's some strength right there that No man could, um no, absolutely not.
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No, no, no. Do I want to? No, thank you. Pass. yeah I'm going to pass. Thanks. If you're depending on me for the survival of the human race, we're going to die. That's it. We're done. No, thank you.
00:09:02
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Yeah. Strength. And yeah, those are those ones that you flagged up there that are the, are the, are the big hitters that most people kind of bring up.
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which is kind of interesting. Yeah. it seems that like there are some standard. Well, I mean, we even, we talked about, there are some standard traits that seem to carry through and there's always masculine traits, but that doesn't necessarily make you, if you display masculine traits, just because you have some of them doesn't make you a masculine person in general. Like you can be strong, generally feminine person who is very strong in both ways, like the both essences of strength.
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like physically strong, personally strong, emotionally strong, like all that stuff. And you can still be a very present feminine. So, you know, i don't know. It's just a weird thing that we like to talk about.
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So I'm going to introduce Stuart a little bit, I think, to what you do and everybody else here a little bit because you do naturopathy.
Naturopathic Medicine Explained
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I do. And I'm not sure Stuart is all that aware of what naturopathy is.
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no I was reading the face. Yep. If you want, you can give us a little explanation. Stuart will have questions. And then if you can tie anything like that has to do with like health and masculinity and femininity, all that shit, anything you can tie into, it's awesome too. But let's give an explanation of what you do.
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Sure. So i'm a naturopathic physician. Naturopathic medicine is utilizing the least invasive means to bring health and healing to the body.
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And so many of the tools that are used um are things like botanical medicine. I use homeopathy. i use physical medicine. I'll use hydrotherapy to help bring alignment and healing to the body.
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And within naturopathic medicine, where I am in Arizona, I can actually act as a primary care physician if I wanted to. So I could also give pharmaceuticals and hormone replacement if that's something I chose to do.
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i have opted out of that because I choose to practice vitalistically. And vitalism is the philosophy that is kind of like the underpinning of naturopathic medicine in which we have a core core.
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essence within our body that's always trying to heal itself. So the body is always trying to come to what's known as homeostasis or bring healing to itself.
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And our whole job is just to give the body what it needs. So that way it can heal on its own. It doesn't mean that there's never a need for pharmaceuticals or surgery or in the case of cancer, like chemotherapy is but they're more on the upper echelon of the therapeutic order.
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And so it would be if depending on what the person individually needed, if they needed that after
Approaches in Naturopathic Oncology
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working to get the body to heal itself, then offering those.
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Okay.
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a I see a question coming. It's brewing. It's brewing. I'm to figure out what it say um
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out how to can't quite get my head around. it is? Oh, no, know what pertains to but it's not, it doesn't,
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i know what it per pretends to be but it's not it's not the it doesn't
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um It doesn't sit well in my brain for some odd. and Although hydrotherapy, I know works. and it um My daughter had it every two weeks for a very long time to help with her build up her core muscles and She has, some as most of our listeners know, has various disabilities.
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One of them is um she is very, very flexible. Her joints don't lock and things like that. So she got hydrotherapy to try and build up all her core ah ah core muscles and it really, really works.
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i am And that's kind of fascinating stuff. My, you know, and that you know The fact that you said that you go up then you up to the pharmaceuticals and the quote-unquote standard medicine, whatever that would be called, but and that's good that you're not completely saying that's all horrible because that's the bit that really would wind me up.
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um Because there's enough... I keep guys keep seeing videos on nutcases online who are telling people with cancer that they don't need cancer treatment. And you're like, what are you doing?
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And that like that really... That peeves me off. It's really scary. I finished a residency and now within naturopathic oncology.
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So I have completed a two-year residency in naturopathic oncology in which we had patients of all kinds. We had patients that were doing completely conventional and only wanted us to like do a little bit of supplementing.
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And then we had patients who completely refused conventional care and did not want to do it. i would why it Why is that? um I think it's very individualistic.
00:14:52
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You know, very, very individual. Some people an idea that they don't want to put these quote-unquote poisons in their body, and they get they get kind of like hyper-focused on that one point. It's going to do my body more harm than good. I don't want to do that.
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other people I've seen have more of a, um, I don't want to step on any toes, but have more of like a like my higher power is going to help me heal. And that's all I need.
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And yeah so as a naturopathic oncologist, I, my role is to come in to give them the data to tell them i so I would never,
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um give chemo or radiation. That's for the medical oncologist. That's what they do. I will work with them. They do that. I am here to give data.
00:15:53
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Like this is these are the stats on, you know, if you do this, the extra years you may get, like things like that. Like what is the research telling us?
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The research is an end all be all. And the thing with the research is we can't, we don't have research comparing the standard of care, chemo and radiation to nothing, to just doing diet and supplements. And I don't want to say that's nothing, but it's not chemo and radiation.
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It's not, you know, you're never going to emulate what chemo and radiation can do. with diet and supplements. And some people have that perception. And I would, I would love, I would absolutely love to be able to say, yes, I can heal your body and your cancer with, with diet and supplements.
00:16:42
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That's not realistic. Probably the most famous um proponent of that and is Steve Jobs.
Men's Reluctance to Seek Help
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Oh,
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I just, I mean, I don't know what medical degree he has, but. Well, But Steve with steve jobs steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer.
00:17:06
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Yeah. And believed that he would be able to fix it using diet and whatever. And basically it killed him.
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Yeah. And he was one of the richest guys on the planet. Yep. So it's not like he couldn't afford. you know the best advice and the best treatment and the best you know all this here and you're kind of going oh yeah it's just that that you know that's and that's it's not just about uh medical care it's it's um people's inability to take things on board for so many avenues of life now that people believe they, like people that don't believe in the moon landings or things like that. And you're like, what the fuck is wrong with
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and It's very strange. The strangest part of all that, though, is that some of those people are very intelligent people at the same time. Some of them. And that sometimes can be the problem.
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Yeah, I know. That sometimes is the problem you know problem. The other problem is, too, is that some of the dumbest people of the loudest, And that is new problem. Well, the more you know, the more typically you don't say because you know how much you're unaware of.
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Like the more you know, the more you don't know. And it's. Well, also it's tiring arguing with idiots. Oh, I just, I just don't, mind I don't. just yeah but I mean, the the other side of it is that there's people going, oh, but naturopathic medicine can't be real. If it was real, they'd be charging for it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah blah And you go, right. Well, okay.
00:18:44
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I have a pill here that you take it and within an hour, it'll give you a boner.
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And I go, I'm not taking that, that sounds like poison. I go, okay, I've got a natural i've got a natural drug here. It comes from the venom of a spider or a snake, one of the two.
00:19:03
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But also within an hour, it will give you a boner. but what's naturally As a naturopathic physician, I wouldn't take that approach. So that's to me, that's not naturopathic.
00:19:15
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To me, naturopathy would be... But it put there essentially, Viagra, which is what I was talking about, is based on the fucking poison. Mm-hmm.
00:19:26
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Yep. Because it causes a boner. Now, if you get bit by, i think it's a snake, I think. If you get bit by the snake, you get a boner until you die. none great. ah To be fair. But that day is some some smart man, I would assume. You know...
00:19:43
Speaker
It was originally used for... We can do something with that. Wasn't it supposed to be a blood pressure medicine or something originally? Yeah, probably. It expands your... It's a vasodilator.
00:19:53
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's it's says it's it's kind of how you kind of tell people. you know It's like the amount of medicines that come from natural things.
00:20:06
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They all come from natural things for the most part. Yeah, I was going say. If you break it down far enough, it's all natural. If you break it down far enough to particles, it's all natural. But naturopathy is about how you're utilizing the substance. So are we utilizing the substance to stop a symptom? So like to to create a boner that's not like naturopathic. Naturopathic would be coming in to support the body's ability to...
00:20:35
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have healthy blood vessels, healthy blood flow, and to see why the either the the blood pressure or the blood flow flow is an issue. Like, that's the naturopathic approach.
00:20:48
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Utilizing another substance just to give a boner, that's green allopathy. And that's what a lot of people do, and it's really unfortunate because it's you're just taking nature and turning it into conventional medicine, which is not what it's... And that's not the po how the body is intended to heal.
00:21:05
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Right? That makes sense. I try sometimes. Oh, you're going to break Stuart's brain. I mean, to be honest, though, like they do use snake venom in all kinds of actual medication, even for your heart and stuff. There's snake all kinds of stuff. It's crazy. It's crazy what you can use. got a panicillin Yeah, I know.
00:21:25
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I know somebody that was taking snake venom stuff for his heart. And before he passed away, had a minor heart attack and he had like part of his heart died. So he was taking this crazy med. don't know what it's called. I was like, can I have some of that snake venom?
00:21:37
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We can make it jokes about it. you're making jokes about it
00:21:44
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So, um
00:21:49
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as a doctor. Uh-oh. He's got us thinking. Masculinity. We're fucked. And being a doctor health.
00:22:02
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Oh no, I'm afraid. How fun is it dealing with men who are masculine? I'm air quoting here. Yeah. yeah and masculine because i mean, i don't, I don't know. There's three people having this conversation right now and I'm quite comfortable asking for help when I need it I would assume Dr. Tara, you're also quite comfortable asking for help when you need it. Ian,
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How comfortable are you asking for help when you need it? I believe it's true. Do you see that a lot? I don't know what you're talking about.
00:22:45
Speaker
Yeah. um do Do you get that a lot? ah good you So I think if somebody's coming to the office, they're already... open to receiving help however what i have seen in the office is people coming in with a preconceived notion of what kind of help they're expecting to receive and how they want it to happen and we have to just okay if that's what you want i might not be the practitioner for you i can refer you to somebody else um also what i've seen is
00:23:26
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Some people come in like guns blazing and they want all the data. They want all the information. They want, they have like research articles they're coming in with like, this is what I have. You prove to me that it works.
00:23:39
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Yeah. you know? And so it's, it's about talking to them, like where they're coming from, what they need, what they're expecting and recognizing whether or not those expectations, if this is the right office for them, or if they need to be referred to somebody else who you know, is a better fit.
00:23:59
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Hmm.
00:24:03
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I just find it interesting that men are so terrible at asking for help. hundred so We're taught to rub dirt on it and keep going. and Well, are we though?
00:24:17
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that We tell each other to do that?
00:24:20
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Sir, I mean, that's what was modeled to me. so I've seen my father cry twice in my entire life. I've been alive for 46 years. I've seen him cry twice. Yeah.
00:24:32
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I mean, my mom was always the opposite. Like, it's okay to cry. It's okay to do this. My dad was always, growing up, he was always stoic and didn't say much like when he needed help or something. And so was model to me.
00:24:46
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so I mean, even though I had both sides, obviously I lean one way, even though I try not to.
00:24:54
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I would never not ask for help. i don't know what you guys are talking about. I don't ever compartmentalize. um Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's like, do you find it more difficult? Is it like more masculine presenting kind of folks? Are they more difficult to work with at the start when they come in headstrong or if they're not giving you much information because they don't really want to ask for help, but they know they need it?
00:25:17
Speaker
Like, what kind of stuff do you see for that? um i think that's not necessarily... challenging because if they're open to having conversations and open to listening and, you know, having a back and forth, we can use really make some headway.
00:25:33
Speaker
Um, what has been the most challenging for me is when i am not treated as a professional because they're coming in with this higher, higher, higher goal, kind of like understanding of,
00:25:49
Speaker
a male doctor would know more than a female doctor. Yeah. yeah So therefore I'm not getting treated as a male doctor. They're calling me honey and sweetie. And instead of Dr. Coppola, you know, they would ears.
00:26:02
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh yes. So that't know that's, that's more of the challenge. Um, most people are, if they're coming into the office, even if they're headstrong, they're coming in with a lot of emotions. They're carrying a lot with them.
00:26:18
Speaker
And so, my, for me, my job is to, is to open up the communication with them because they're coming in guns blazing probably because either they feel like they always have to, you know, push to get what they need. Like they always have to keep fighting to get what they need. Maybe they haven't felt heard in other medical appointments that they've been in.
00:26:43
Speaker
Maybe they, um, they're just so used to having to take that stance and And then when somebody just opens up the conversation and lets people know that they're heard, it softens for the most part.
00:26:58
Speaker
It softens. Sometimes it does take a couple sessions, but I've seen it soften quite a few times to where they were just open to what we were offering, what I was offering. Yeah.
00:27:10
Speaker
Nice. What kind of general advice you give for like men's health, for example, since we mostly talk about masculinity around here?
Men's Health Advice with Tara
00:27:21
Speaker
So no my basis is always going back to nutrition, right? That's yeah the core of what I do.
00:27:30
Speaker
And it is the base of everything. It's decisions we can make on a daily basis that are going to help us progress towards more healthfulness or away from healthfulness.
00:27:46
Speaker
And so... With regards to to men's health, it's helping them get more on that nutritional platform that's going to improve health every single day in small increments.
00:28:03
Speaker
you know and that's That's the crux. Everything else is just icing. you know i mean Well, movement. Movement too. I'm taking that back. Yeah.
00:28:16
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Sorry, I have two.
00:28:20
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nutrition and movement. Like it's so, so important. So important. And so those are the cruxes. And if we can get more men just involved in their nutrition, moving themselves every single day, the ah drastic improvement that can be had in the overall health of the entire like world is amazing.
00:28:40
Speaker
You know, we just have to, it's, and it's not easy though. Like changing nutrition is not easy, right? It means so much to us in so many different ways. So it seems to hardest thing. It's also not easy when the cost of everything's going through the roof. Yep. No. I mean, that hurts too, but also people, people have hardwire version of like what ah quote unquote diet is. They think it's a temporary thing you do.
00:29:04
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They don't understand that it's a thing you change. Yeah. It's a lifestyle change. It's a lifestyle. The amount of times I've had patients come to me and they're like, but when can I go back to what I was doing? like, well, actually that's not the goal. Yeah.
00:29:19
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Maybe once a week. this Every once in a while. Yeah. Periodically, you can have something you would normally eat How hard are you training on leg day, for example? Then you can have a little more. Yeah.
00:29:30
Speaker
ah Yeah. I think the preconceived notion of, I'm just going to diet to lose 20 pounds and then go back to normal and I'm going to fine. it's not It's just not the way things work. Everybody wants a quick fix. They want a quick fix and they want their comforts back.
00:29:43
Speaker
I really don't like the people that ask me like what I eat and how much I eat And they're like, oh, you eat little snacks all day? I'm like, no, I eat a bunch of meals all day. It's really boring and tiresome and it feels like a job.
00:29:55
Speaker
It's really not fun, but it's better for me than what you do. so Yeah. I mean, if you don't want to do that, like, if you don't really want to do that, then, you know, whatever, live your life. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but, you know, it is more healthful.
00:30:10
Speaker
So, I mean, I pretty clean and more. The movement thing important. to Most people have moderately sedentary lifestyles now, especially with work and jobs and things like that. And one thing I noticed ah about traveling to America,
00:30:27
Speaker
you people don't walk anywhere. no. no oh No. It's the weirdest thing. in place yeah am ah It's like there's like, especially around Orlando, i mean, and not that whole area, there's not a lot of even connected footpaths.
00:30:44
Speaker
Sidewalks. Sorry, folks. We call them footpaths. Sidewalks, they're not even really connected. to No, it depends. You know?
00:30:56
Speaker
So it's kind of, that's kind of, that's kind of very, I always find that interesting. People always go, why nobody walks anywhere? I can explain that to you if you would like. how that kind I can explain to you kind of how that became. Okay.
00:31:11
Speaker
Because everybody went for a while. Everyone started when middle class started developing, everybody moved out of the city to suburbia. And that's why everybody started getting their own. They could afford their own car. They could do this. And it kind of built from there.
00:31:22
Speaker
So there's no, we don't have a lot of like emphasis on like public transportation. Everybody's got, it's just got a car. That's pretty much how it kind of all spawned. That's the quick version of People moved out from the cities here to and I'm going to say we have a few more people than you.
00:31:39
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so
00:31:43
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You always do that. I don't know what the difference actually per square mile. You probably have a lot less. We probably have cities that... There's probably a couple cities that are close to your population.
00:31:59
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It's not at least the state. A couple of states are probably bigger than your population. Like California is probably bigger than your population. The population of the UK is 64 million. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, yeah.
00:32:12
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but Based on our landmass, that's pretty. Yeah, I know. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. yeah But, uh, it's just kind of weird that you don't walk anywhere. I, I, you know, I know it's the worst thing I ever did was pass my driving test.
00:32:27
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I used to walk everywhere. it was brilliant. Get on a bus. You walk into town. Let's go to theme parks for that now. Just walk like fucking 20,000 steps just hanging out with friends. It's great.
00:32:38
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Yeah. But it's it's it's it's it's a lot easier to walk with purpose than... I have purpose to get to rides. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Obviously, that's why get all my steps in a two-week period in Florida.
00:32:52
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and And then at the end of the day, i have the long walk purpose of getting to my car so I can stop walking. Yeah. My body doesn't know what's headed because I went from walking very little to walking 14 miles a day. it's ridiculous. And it's like, what are you doing?
00:33:08
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What's happening? Excuse me while my feet scream at me. Yeah, it's too bad we're nearly drunk when it happens, though, so, you know, it's fine. Yeah, that is true. I guess alcohol is probably not great for you either. it's not good all. It's not good at all. It's not ideal. I see.
00:33:26
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and for It's really not good. but People can't see, so I'm just going to say Dr. Tara is... um Biting her lip though, rather than... to Because obviously I'm sitting here drinking a Guinness right now.
00:33:38
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Yeah, of course. And I just finished a mead, so you know worthy we we are the pinnacles of health. What is that new study I saw where they were finding carcinogens from alcohol now in bodies? That's not a new study. So there's alcohol... It's a new... new I saw a newer... Let me rephrase.
00:33:52
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I saw a newer study about it. okay It hits the body in three ways. This is what I tell my patients. Yes. First and foremost, it has to get broken down in the liver, right? So if you're drinking alcohol, you're basically kind of like congesting the liver for a little bit of time, depending on how much alcohol you drink.
00:34:12
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um So that way it's not going to be able to process all the other things that it needs to, like hormones or other toxins that you're exposed to just in natural daily life out here. um So that's the first thing.
00:34:25
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Then the second thing is that alcohol also breaks down to sugar. Sugar is in and of itself inflammatory. So it can lead to excessive inflammation in the system, but also um it's inflammation. So it's just it's um brain farting.
00:34:46
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But then we'll just get to the last one. So alcohol also breaks down to acetylaldehyde. Acetyl aldehyde is a known carcinogen. Now, it doesn't mean that everybody who drinks alcohol is going to get cancer.
00:35:01
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You know, it's just acetyl aldehyde is a known carcinogen. And so it increases potential risk. And we already live in a world where our potential risks that we are exposed to on a daily basis are fairly high.
00:35:16
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yeah you know And so just to throw that one in there is just like another hit to the system. Our body only has so many resources. We only have so many white blood cells. We only have so many inflammatory markers.
00:35:30
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And so to just throw that on as another one, it's just taxing the body a little bit more. And some constitutions can handle it better than others. you know yeah Does the ah doess the sugar also cause an insulin spike?
00:35:44
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It can. ah course. Yeah. I'm just trying to finish out the scientific talk. We're talking about it. so trying to help It absolutely can. Sugar is really inflammatory. Yeah.
00:35:56
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ah The one thing that people don't think about is to kind of like jump off alcohol and go to sugar is like Alzheimer's is known as type three diabetes.
Alzheimer's and Sugar Consumption
00:36:05
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it Yeah. I was reading about that not that long ago. That's so interesting. yeah So if we can bring down our sugar level, if we can maintain a low healthy blood sugar throughout the day and not have these like spikes and dips, we can prevent a lot of these health issues because they're so inflammatory. Yeah.
00:36:23
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But I was at a, I i was out um at like a, it was like a street fair. I was meeting some new people this weekend and people always ask me because they find out what I do. they're like, oh, well, what's a good thing for this? And what's a good fit thing for this? And my basic thing is just stop eating the sugar.
00:36:39
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Like, oh I can't do that. yeah I'm like, well, I guess you don't want to be my patient. exactly You do your thing then. You just continue to be sick. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:50
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Luckily for me, I i like e i like e the sary i like the savory food better. so like savory foods better, too. I don't get drawn to sugary stuff that much.
00:37:02
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Or things have a lot of sugar in them, for that for that matter. i do love Guinness, so it's... it that We all have our faults, sir. We are not perfect. I don't even drink that much. I just had a little bean.
00:37:13
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nobody is I'm taking a break from the alcohol very soon because last weekend was my buddy's birthday and that was rough. That was a little painful. Oh yeah, you were actually actually drunk.
00:37:24
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Actually drunk. Actually drunk last weekend? Actually very drunk last weekend. this is Which is not like it? No. And then I did what we like to call in for a bush lattes at the rodeo. i had two of those because people were handing them to me. So.
00:37:39
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Bush lattes. That's what we call bush light. Oh. I was like, We just, joke his my buddies like called it that once. So I just started calling it that.
00:37:52
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Another guy and that was with us likes to order Dr. Pepper is Dr. Pecker and tries to see if anybody catches on. we're we're We're adults. We are adults. Yeah, male adults are still small boys.
00:38:04
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We are adults. It's not funny at all. We don't ever do anything like that. It's not funny. you Yeah, so last weekend was a little rough. But I had another question. Oh, Tara, I know you're not really into the politics stuff, but how do you feel about anti-vaxxing stuff?
00:38:23
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Oh, God, okay. yeah All right. yeah I mean, I figure it's a good thing to ask you because you're not really political. So no, no.
00:38:33
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Um, so i know you try to, I know you mostly avoid that stuff because you're too busy reading medical things. There is a time and a place for everything, a time and a place for everything. Okay.
00:38:44
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Um, I think that each individual needs to make their decision based on their own risks, perceived risks and, um, safety. And it's...
00:38:59
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oh If... I know. It's just your opinion. The situation. So like if I was in a situation where i was surrounded by people who were immunocompromised or yeah like if I was seeing a lot of like acute cancer patients in my office where like I might have the potential to transmit something to them.
00:39:24
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Like to me, that's a risk I'm not willing to take. So I may then opt for the vaccine. if i And I don't know what vaccine we're talking about, just in general. Any vaccine. All of the vaccines. But if I was in a situation where I'm living by myself in the woods and not coming in contact with with people, there's no concern about, like, I'm going to hurt somebody who might be immunocompromised or elderly or anything like this, just going about my daily basis, I probably i might not vaccinate myself.
00:39:56
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You know, um but then also like there's a whole nuance with children's vaccines where they are now versus where they are when like I was a kid in the 80s and the early 90s. Like things are a lot different and they they give children, babies when they're born, what is it like hepatitis I think.
00:40:20
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For ah an STD. That's an STD vaccine for an infant when they're born. And it's people don't understand that they can.
00:40:30
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You have the power to either. opt out or augment the vaccines. So instead of maybe doing them all in one very short instance, you can spread them out more and yeah there are options.
00:40:48
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So, but are they not? Well, they're spread out here over about two years. Um, is that not the same in America? We, uh, it's a very intense vaccine schedule. I can try to pull it up for you if you want me to.
00:41:01
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um
00:41:05
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Yeah, if I remember right, ours goes really quick. Somebody mentioned it on here before. That's why i'm um yeah yeah questioning I mean, while she's looking that up, I got the COVID vaccine as soon it was ah as it was available to me. Yeah, me too. My reasoning was also to be like, I've already been a guinea pig in my life medically, so just take another shot and see what happens, and if people have questions, I can answer it for them.
00:41:29
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That's pretty much where my eye space was. Yeah. Yeah. and the flip side of that, I've seen a lot of in the office bad vaccine reactions that people have had.
00:41:40
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Some people are just constitutionally more sensitive. And so they react to certain things and they get extreme reactions. They get long-term reactions. They, it pushes them into an autoimmune disease.
00:41:54
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And so it's, we don't know, we don't know until an individual walks it,
Perspectives on Vaccinations
00:42:01
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what's going to happen really. Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, So it's looking like the the general vaccine series is like birth to 18 months.
00:42:13
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and So pretty close, year and a half. I thought it was faster than that for reason. But they do have, we do continue the vaccines from 18 months ah up to 18 years. There's a continued schedule.
00:42:24
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And so, but also with the vaccines, what people don't know is you can, and you have to be you have to be proactive with this aspect.
00:42:36
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You can write like request a specific ah brand of vaccine from your doctor that has less fillers in it. Cause there are different types of like, let's say the, um, the RSV vaccine, like there might be different types of RSV vaccine,
00:42:57
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companies that make it putting different adjuvants in it. And so you have to do your research to, and you can request it from your doctor, depending on the physician. Is that the flu vaccine?
00:43:09
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Um, RSV, respiratory syncytel virus. Oh, really? Okay. Not the flu, but like a respiratory viral infection. Yeah. Yeah. We can't, uh, ask.
00:43:23
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which That's not how our system works.
00:43:28
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smarter people than us make these decisions and you just get on with it yeah some people do say no I think they're insane um Because, again, there's smarter people than us have made these decisions.
00:43:44
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And things like polio and measles and all of those are really dangerous shit. I'd rather not, you know, and especially knowing people that are immunocompromised, um it it really winds me up when people that couldn't pass basic science...
00:44:05
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are making decisions that they really shouldn't be making. That's the thing that kind of grinds my gears. Yeah. Yeah. In that respect. There's also been a lot there's been a lot of fear mongering and that's what it comes down to. Like people are great. Yeah. ra They're afraid. One of the things they're afraid of is that they're going to put these their kids through these intensive vaccine schedules and the child's going to have a reaction and then end up with autism because that's been a thread that's been running, like underlying all this, which has not been
00:44:40
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like the I was debunked. I was going say, as far as I know, it's been disproven. Yeah, but people are holding on to it. It's still in there. There's lot of famous people to hold on to it. It's just crazy. There's a lot of people that are just hanging on to stuff. There's a lot of issues people right now. It's almost like things are too easy for them that they need something to freak out about. It's really odd.
00:45:07
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Do you find that a struggle in your job dealing with people who think they know more than you do? like What I love we should is when he will come in and they're like talk yeah Fucking TikTok. But I'm going to give you these supplements, but I want to take my TikTok supplements.
00:45:34
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Okay, well, I don't... Yeah. Yeah, do whatever you want. Knock yourself out. like it Listen, the dude that is in control of the FBI right now was selling a pill that he claimed would reverse the COVID vaccine if he bought it. I'm just saying.
00:45:49
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You take this magical pill he was selling and it reverses the effects of the COVID vaccine. But i like, these are the kinds of people in our world right now.
00:46:00
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But what is he trying to reverse? The symptoms that people have gotten? Like, what's the, what? The entire vaccine, like it, ah it according to him, it erases the vaccine. Like six months. Yeah, you're trying to logic something that is just somebody selling snake oil. Sorry, I'm sorry.
00:46:16
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you're You're trying to logic a snake oil salesman. It's a snake oil salesman, that's the problem. It's like somebody making supplements in their kitchen and then telling you how magical they are. It's the same thing. Oh my God.
00:46:27
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These things exist and people do buy them. I know. Which fucking blows in my mind. And whole thing with the supplement industry is scary. It's very scary because it's at least here in the United States, it's not regulated.
00:46:42
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And not at all so what that means is that they don't have to put in the supplement. What it says is on the container. It does not have to have any of that.
00:46:54
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So no we don't know. And there have been studies that have have shown that like in like adrenal supplements, they found testosterone. and people were feeling great because they're getting tests. Of course they're feeling great.
00:47:10
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yeah More tests is more better. yes Oh my gosh. a Oh, this whole thing with hormone replacement therapy is a killing me, but that's all. Yeah. Explain that.
00:47:24
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no no, you can explain that. We can go to You brought it up. I was going to bring it up because you said test. You can bring it up. So, Coming from a vitalistic standpoint, most of the people that are receiving hormone replacement therapy for being like middle-aged and over, because that's when you know you start feeling the effects of your lowered hormones, don't actually need it because there are other things that are causing the hormones to be low.
00:47:50
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Yeah. dumping more hormones in the body, what it does is it's giving the body something it would create itself. So the body likes to move in the path of least resistance.
00:48:02
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And so it's like, I'm just going to stop working. And that's what happens. You start shutting down endocrine glands because you're giving people hormones or one of the biggest, most, my, my biggest concern is the potential for cancer.
00:48:16
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Anytime we're giving an exogenous hormone, hormones, their main function function is to help stimulate the production, the growth, the function of cells, right?
00:48:27
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So in natural balance, that's great. And that's perfect. We start dumping in exogenous hormones that are not needed. We can push the potential for cancer growth because now we're pushing all the cycles of the cells.
00:48:40
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And yeah there's been a lot of studies, especially like ah I'm hearing a lot about more women's um hormone replacement therapy, but they're trying to show that like, we only do certain things and only certain amounts. It's not a risk.
00:48:52
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Well, when it comes down to it, we don't have enough data. I don't have data 20 years out from the people that just started hormone replacement therapy three weeks ago. Like i that you're not telling me. There's an awful lot of adverts on Instagram and TikTok and things like that.
00:49:08
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I think I get them. I see them because obviously it knows that I'm 46 year old male. Yeah. meal And it's like, hey, are you feeling tired?
00:49:19
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Are you, i go to the gym you know, blah, blah, blah, all this. And it goes, you might have low testosterone. And I mean, also just. just And you're like, well, am I feeling that? Well, yeah, I am feeling tired.
00:49:29
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These wishy-washy, nondescript things. yeah Everybody, I'm feeling tired. I could have low testosterone. I could have two young children. Yeah. yeah yeah Which I do.
00:49:41
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You could be living in our society. I also Yeah, you could be watching in the news. yeah You could be reading a newspaper, if they exist, whatever. And you could just be looking at things and going, holy shit.
00:49:52
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Yeah. why being heard yeah To be fair, though, too, and not not to so not to take away from anything you're saying here, but high test and low test are both bad for you. resume Yes, and... Go ahead. I was going to say...
00:50:07
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I was going to say, since I was the recipient of such fun, one of the things tests can do for you, because i do take I do take a steroid, but all steroids can increase your chances of getting a DVT, a blood clot.
00:50:23
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So cortico, any kind of steroid, testosterone, any kind of your fun steroids can increase your your case for that, which is fun. And I don't recommend them to anyone. They are not fun because they can lead to PEs, which can kill you, which is not fun.
00:50:39
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Anyway, that was my part of that. What were you going to Tara? With low tests or low estrogen or low progesterone or whatever the low is, that's typically not the
Effects of Stress on Hormones
00:50:55
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cause. So we want to get behind what the root cause is.
00:50:59
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And for the majority of people general, I'm just going to blanket this just in general. Okay. The root cause is that we are living our lives in chronic stress because we only, so I'm going to bring us back to, we only have so many building blocks in the system.
00:51:21
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Our hormones are made of cholesterol. Okay. Hopefully you're not still living in the old adage low fat diets and don't eat cholesterol because cholesterol is bad. Cause that would be even, that's even worse.
00:51:35
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But if we have, if we are in fight or flight mode, our body has to produce our stress hormones, has to produce cholesterol, um has to produce, sorry, cortisol has to produce adrenaline because it's primary focus is to get us to safety. Okay?
00:51:53
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The body doesn't care if we can procreate at that point because we are not fucking safe. Sorry. Oh, can I swear? you can swear all you want. You can swear your fucking ass off. Because we're not. we are. we We are not that kind of sure. You can curse your fucking ass off. Hey, go ahead. Had I known, I would have been doing it this whole time. oh but Feel free to catch up. Go for it.
00:52:18
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yeah So if the body has to run from a proverbial tiger, it's not worried about having babies. It's not worried about them. So it's not putting energy into that. So it's not putting energy into any of the sex functions at all.
00:52:34
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But it also doesn't have the resources because all of the and the resources are going to make the stress hormones. So we can run from the tiger and get out to safety.
00:52:45
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The problem is that biological... ah response is only intended to last a few seconds to a few minutes. We live in fight or flight.
00:52:59
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And not just now with this bullshit that sorry is happening right in this moment, but in general, we're constantly pushing for something. We're constantly pushing for something better, constantly going, constantly on the run. We get rewarded for being on the run, right? We get quick dopamine hits from everything.
00:53:17
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and But it's not letting our bodies settle, letting our bodies rest, letting our bodies feel safe so we can then have resources to put into sex hormones. And that's a lot of what I'm seeing. Like i have patients that come in that have been put on testosterone.
00:53:34
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Nobody fucking tested their testosterone before they put them on it. Not one person. I have no previous testosterone record, but yet you're just going to give these people steroids.
00:53:46
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Okay, great. That seems crazy. You know? Yeah, it's a little cray You can just cheat code like me and just have a genetic issue where you don't make cortisol. You're fine. Yeah, yeah just be fine. and say Then you just die instead.
00:54:02
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Kids, if you don't have cortisol and you have a stressful situation, you just die. Just so you know. You just die. That's pretty much what happens. It's an important hormone. It's important. It's a very important hormone. And I can't tell you the number of times I've talked to bodybuilders and I've told them that I don't produce cortisol. and they're like, you'd be an awesome bodybuilder. I'm like, no, that's not how that works, man.
00:54:24
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That is not how that works. I wish it did, but if if that's how it worked, I'd be the leanest motherfucker all the time, but that's not how that works. Why do they say, why do they think it would be a good thing? What does cortisol is attached to things like adding fat, especially to your gut kind of areas, what they say So cortisol, in cor all of it ah when cortisol is high, so remember, it's stimulating the body to run from a tiger. So there's a couple things that are going to happen in the system.
00:54:52
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One, the blood is typically shunted to the muscles so you can run. But now you need energy, right? You need energy to run the muscles. So what it does is it starts gluconeogenesis inside the body, which is the body's ability to produce its own sugar.
00:55:07
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However, if we're just sitting on our ass all day, that sugar gets stored. And a lot of times it gets stored around the midsection. Right.
00:55:20
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Well, think about it, dude. You ever taken like... um like hydrocortisone or something for an injury or something like that. Like you always get hungry and thirsty when you're doing it. Like you get super thirsty and super hungry. Okay. It's the same, like similar to what your body's doing.
00:55:34
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I got 40 years of riding that fucking monster, dude. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So yeah, that's, that's why that's one of the reasons why people talk about cortisol levels, even though they have no idea what they're talking about usually.
00:55:47
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Yeah. Yeah. Like another thing the bodybuilders worry about is insulin levels, all that stuff. Like when you want to peak your insulin levels and all this kind of crazy stuff, which is why some of those dudes use insulin when they lift, things like that.
00:55:59
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i They jack their bodies up pretty hard. It look breaks my heart. Yeah. So I'm, I'm constantly stressed out. i I have most of the time at the moment I've been having panic attacks and all sorts of things.
00:56:15
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It's good fun. and what Yeah. That that would essentially help help me, cause me to gain weight.
00:56:28
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Cortisol. Is that right? Yes, it can. Yeah. Yeah. youre Absolutely. Okay. No. Yeah. Everybody likes an excuse. Nice.
00:56:40
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could just get trauma reaction and keep yourself busy loud nonstop. You'll be fine. That's not stressful at all. When your trauma response is to be running a hundred miles an hour and that's normal for you and you feel like you're going slow when you're resting and, or being useless when you're resting.
00:56:58
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm not speaking from experience at all. don't know what the hell anybody's talking about. I'm just going to sit here Um, But yeah, I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. I mean, people look at bodybuilders and make fun of them. There's a lot of stuff those guys do to their bodies or even women. Like it's pretty intense what they do. e It's not healthy to be a bodybuilder. So don't go looking at those guys like they're the pinnacle of health. They're not.
00:57:22
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I've had arguments with people about it. Yeah. I truly admire them. I have no disrespect or anything. for but I don't mean that to be disrespectful to bodybuilders at all. I know those guys and girls, they work really, really, really hard at what they do.
00:57:35
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It's just don't be looking at that like it's a health goal for you. Because it's not. It's a definitive way of doing things to have a definitive outcome. but i know none of them walk around the way you see them.
00:57:49
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No matter what the sport is, or anything for that matter, when you're going for that extreme, it becomes unhealthy. You know? not even in sports. Like... The most unnaturopathic thing I did was go to naturopathic medical school.
Promoting Health Autonomy
00:58:04
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It was the least healthiest thing I ever did for myself. Well, above and beyond physique competitions, but it's anytime you're going to an extreme, when you have you getting to that, that push, you're going into unhealthy territory to push your body, push your mind. You just have to be,
00:58:22
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I just want people to be aware that it is an unhealthy thing you're doing. Even if you, if you want to do it, you're driven to do it by all means. I'm not telling you not to, that's not my choice. I respect the people that do it. Cause I already know how hard it is to do.
00:58:35
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So, I mean, go nuts, but just don't, I don't want regular people thinking that that is healthy, what they're doing. Cause it's not, it's, it should not be seen as a pinnacle of health. Like the people we looked up to, like Schwarzenegger and Stallone, we should not ever have tried to look like that and be healthy. I remember yeah i mean like when I read his book, because I was like, I'm going to figure this out. I'm going to be the best physique kind competitor ever.
00:58:58
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So I read Arnold Schwarzenegger's book and I was like, how do I get, like, I don't enough time in that day. I'm so tired. How do I get more time? His answer was sleep, sleep less, just sleep less to get more time. And I'm like, no, no.
00:59:12
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I don't know. i don't know if you've kept up on the more modern bodybuilding takes Tara, but it's actually gotten a little more, um
00:59:21
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it's a little more simplified than it ever was, which is kind of something I'm enjoying. Like, uh, there's a lot more emphasis on ah stretch instead of a contraction. There's a lot more emphasis on, you can do more with less kind of things. Um,
00:59:37
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Like I've done a back workout with like three or four exercises and I'm just done. Like the volume has gone down a lot for a lot of things and people are still getting results, but it's been interesting to watch the industry change.
00:59:49
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Like, ah you know me, I just like training cause I like to train and like to learn, but it's been interesting to watch things change. Dr. Mike's been pretty interesting. Eugene Teo has been really fun to watch. There's a couple of guys I've been watching and listening to Jeff Nippert's natural guy. That's pretty, pretty fun to watch too.
01:00:06
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Um, but I don't know. It's been cool. Like I used to do, Tara and I both did mountain dog training. I still do a little bit of that, but it's, that was highly high, high volumes.
01:00:17
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There's a lot of volume in that. And I mean, it worked. Can't go wrong with it, but to get results with less is pretty awesome. yeah I have never done anything like that. Yeah.
01:00:29
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and i'm good with that I have no interest in being on a stage, but yeah, I've been around it for a while. um Is there anything else that you would like to throw out there regarding masculinity or any health things you like throw throughout last minute, Tara?
01:00:47
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hey I got a little hot take on something. I just a hot take on something. A little quickie, a little throw out for people. really, I want to see people become more autonomous in their health.
01:01:02
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We're living in a time where conventional medicine is controlling a lot And people are getting sicker and sicker and sicker because of it. And we have a lot of tools accessible to us, you know nutrition, hydrotherapy.
01:01:19
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It's these tools are accessible and they can help us heal and give us more power back in our lives towards our health and improve our longevity.
01:01:30
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You know, it's, I think that we have to like, not just, with masculinity, but just in general, we've got take a step out of the rat race because it's not there for our health at all.
01:01:46
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and Yeah, for sure. I don't buy into the American hustle nonsense. No, that's your work thing is insane. That's not like, I mean, i don't get me wrong. I am constantly busy, but like logically in my brain, I don't buy into that hustle lifestyle bullshit because thecyclrss don't get holidays is just beyond that, dude, even at the most basic level, there's no meritocracy here anymore. Like you can bust your ass at work and nobody's going to say anything more than thank you.
01:02:13
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and The other thing you're saying, or expect more no expect more from you. um Do you ever think that, um especially in America, more and more people are getting sick because of the state of your food? Oh, absolutely. be.
01:02:25
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You know, it's... it's Like, you just need some serious fucking regulation on the go there. Yeah. That's in insane. But there are... Like, um I mean, the there's a the famous one is if you look at um ah McDonald's fries, which are not healthy. We know that.
01:02:41
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But McDonald's fries in Europe and in the UK, the ingredients list is potatoes, oil. Yep.
01:02:52
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The ingredients list in America includes preservatives, yeah colorings, flavoring, beef flavor. Interesting. I don't know why. They had to they had to because they replaced the bone tallow that they used to use to flavor it.
01:03:07
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Why the fucking chips? Fries, sorry. and think Whatever, I speak your language now. But there's like, you know, there's all these, it' like the ingredients list in America is like 14 ingredients, something something like that. yeah yeah For the same thing. And it's because it's regulated here that they're not allowed to put shit into it. And the so same goes for your mate. It's got hormones and like, and I know we're having a week where we're not talking about the orange shit cunt. Fucking goddamn it. Right? It makes me nauseous to even see. i know, right?
01:03:47
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But he, he there was there was a comment made that Europe doesn't take any of your cars Because they're too big. know they're too And they've got terrible mileage. that was sick. That was an idiot Fox News that said that shit, too.
01:04:03
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And also, we said that they you don't take our we't they they don't take our food products. And the reason we don't take your food products is because Because they don't pass our regulations.
01:04:17
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Yeah, know. It's shit. Your chicken's washed in bleach. Mm-hmm. Your beef is all hormoned and steroided up to the nines.
01:04:31
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And so it's not, you're not allowed to sell it here. They could technically sell it here, but they would have to call chicken-based product. I love that. Yeah, yeah.
01:04:44
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It's a chicken, but it's chicken-based product. I did get some beef. My my boss has ah has a ranch. it's it's it's kind of but it's and was done and That There's no way you can be
01:04:56
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beef with that amount of hormones in it that the thing is that's not affecting people the thing is too is people don't know the difference like if you got farm fresh beef or chicken from somebody you will taste a difference so even if you even if you go to the store and do something as simple as buy grass-fed beef instead of regular beef you will taste a difference well we just call that beef but anyway we already covered that well the grass-fed beef is also going to have the same omega-3 profile as a wild-caught salmon That's how it should be. There's nothing wrong with eating red meat. It's quality red meat that's important. yes and Our food here is absolute shit.
01:05:35
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It's disgusting. It's horrible. but I buy Irish butter. Yeah. I do. yeah
01:05:44
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I buy Kerrygold, it's grass-fed butter. so I buy Irish butter. It just kind of, it's kind of, I go, every so often I go down in a weird rabbit hole of looking at all this stuff and I just find it astounding for a company, for a company, a company, I mean, a little Freudian situation. A country that loves its freedom and, you know, all this here, that they let these companies get away with this shit.
01:06:13
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the yeah It's maddening. And I know you're going to say it's money and politics and blah, blah, blah. And we know that. yeah but It's not know just money and politics. It's just the wealth gap in general. It's just mad.
01:06:25
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that's all you know And then you're left going, right what do you eat? you know yeah And that's when it gets really expensive. Especially poor people because they don't have a choice to go and buy organic vegetables and organic meat because they cost nine times the price.
01:06:43
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for whatever reason. um and it just touched it. It just boggles my mind a wee bit, you know, there is something I noticed here in Publix especially is there's more and more brands of like grass fed beef to pick from.
01:06:59
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It's becoming more common. Yeah. Like there used to be just the one you could get at like the grocery stores in Connecticut. There's like and you could get the one grass fed beef or the bison.
01:07:09
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And that was it. Now there's like four or five different versions you can get from Publix down here. And the funny thing is... Butcher shops over there? No. We do, but not they're not that common. But the funnier part here is that, especially in Florida, there's there's a lot of cattle ranches here. Like, go make friends with a rancher and buy fucking beef from him.
01:07:28
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Like, buy half a cow and just have him process it for you and just bring it to you and freeze it. It's probably cheaper anyway. That's a lot of meat. It is, but only I mean... Don't need freezer. Big fucking freezer, but it'll save you money long term.
01:07:39
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Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's the thing I know that... I mean, as much shit as I was just saying is bodybuilders are unhealthy. Oddly enough, a lot of the food they eat is very clean and very healthy. I know bodybuilders that'll go find half a cow from a farmer and just fucking buy it and store it.
01:07:54
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and So... um But yeah, I mean, that's my suggestion. mike Mike, I just said my boss has got a little ranch out here, and brings in eggs and stuff. He's like, you guys want eggs? I'm like, all right. So you want beef? I'm like, sure.
01:08:06
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So I had like four pounds of a cow named Oreo that was delicious. And it is what it is. What was the other thing? Your American eggs have to be kept in the fridge. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:18
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I don't know. forget. I saw the reason, but I forgot. But if you get them from pasture-raised, organically-fed chicken, they don't need to be kept in the refrigerator to keep them on the couch. No, I still keep them in... buy organic cage-free eggs, and I still keep them in the fridge just because of habit.
01:08:34
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Do you know why you're not supposed to put them in the fridge? Why? Because eggs are porous. Yeah, know. So if you have anything else in the fridge that might smell of like onion...
01:08:46
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And your eggs taste like onions. And that's gross. I don't have that problem. That's vile. All right. I don't understand. sorry Do it, man. Do the last question. Okay. Spend an hour.
01:09:00
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Taking enough a good doctor's time here. You answered the first question, and we only have this other question to go. This one's more difficult. So I get multiple choices for my answers. Okay.
01:09:11
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Nope. This one's a little more difficult in my opinion. So Tara, thanks for coming on. It's been a really fun conversation. It's went in multiple different directions and I really enjoyed it.
01:09:23
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Thank you very much. um I hope everyone liked us getting back to our ah roots with this episode. We took a little bit of a health right-hand turn for people for a little bit. No, that's good. that's There's nothing wrong with that. and the the The three previous ones have all been ah tad political for no apparent reason. You've been a little angry for some reason. I don't really know why.
01:09:47
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I wonder why. i have no idea. So we only have the two questions, Tara. The first one which you've answered, and this... is the second and last question. Okay.
01:09:58
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And that is Dr. Tara Coppola.
01:10:04
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What is the manliest thing you've done this week? This week? and This week. Oh my God. What ah what did I do? um We've had some really funny answers in this, by the way. The manliest thing i did this week was probably play flag football.
01:10:21
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not Nice. yes That's a good one. I think Johnny still has my ultimate favorite, but that was a pretty good answer. I did not expect that. Our friend Johnny couldn't come up with an answer, so he said he supervised his wife tart like staining some shelves or painting some shelves. He was joking, but it was like the only thing he could come up with. This is going to show you how much I know about American football.
01:10:49
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I got to be a rusher, and apparently rusher is not an actual position. i was I'm a linebacker that runs after the quarterback.
01:11:04
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That one's bar right call sounds about right. right for you.
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01:11:09
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Sounds about right for you. I could only imagine. um Before we say goodbye, Where can people find you, Tara? Tell us throw the podcast out, give them all the information and then I got to get it from you so I can put it in the show notes. Okay.
01:11:22
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All right. Well, I am physically located in Phoenix, Arizona right now. You can come down to my office. You can call the office. I have a Connecticut number. It's a 203-295-4137. You can get on my website, which way too long but i'm going to say it anyway It's www.risingphoenixnaturopathy.com.
01:11:47
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You can email me at info at risingphoenixnaturopathy.com. I have a podcast called Healing Insights that's on all the podcasty places.
01:11:59
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Nice. I'm going to be putting out an online education platform. For people that can't come see me in person, it's going to be a 12-month program teaching vitalistic naturopathy so that way people can heal themselves and just get healthier.
01:12:20
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That's coming to Can people do remote visits from you? Like I live in Florida. Could I call you and have you as an, as my doctor for a naturopathy? Ah, so there's a little nuance there. Oh my gosh.
01:12:32
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Especially because you're in Florida. So naturopathy is actually a federal crime in Florida. Yep. So, yeah um, and so, the so the answer would be yes, depending on your state. No.
01:12:47
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and and no I just wanted to throw that out there. You have to be really, really careful in Florida because it's it's not regulated. It's illegal. And there's actually some really bad... nu I don't know character of these people, so I don't want to say bad or good.
01:13:03
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But there are some people in your state pretending to be naturopathic doctors telling people... What? In my state? I know. Who would think in Florida crazy shit happens?
01:13:15
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um Telling people to stop their chemo. And so yeah as we do you have to be very, very, very careful. You need to, if you're going to reach out to a naturopathic doctor, you have to vet them, find out where they went to school.
01:13:28
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Are they licensed in a different state? If you're, if you don't have licensure in your state, because any reputable naturopathic doctor, even in an unlicensed state is going to hold a license in another state to show that they know least the basics of what they're talking about.
01:13:44
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So yeah if somebody wanted to work with me from another state, if they're in Arizona or New Hampshire, i can work as like a doctor patient relationship.
01:13:56
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If they're in another state, it takes on more of a health coaching style relationship. relationship. I will educate them on their labs. I will educate them on the best, my best recommendations for nutrition, for supplements, but it's all just health recommendations. It's not formally diagnosing and treating.
01:14:17
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And so that's kind of the... So people can reach out for you for questions and help in any kind of... Absolutely. And if I can't help, I will point them in a direction to find some help. Cool. Yeah. There you go guys. You got health questions. Are you concerned about stuff? You can reach out and ask questions at the very least. Even if she can't formally treat you, you can at least ask questions. That's what here for.
01:14:38
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Or give you a little bit of guidance if you want to, you know, pay for some services that are probably things you probably think you don't need to pay for, but you probably should be. Because the health industry is ridiculous and people undervalue even trainers because the market's so watered down. so
01:14:57
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yeah I'm just going to leave my rant for trainers on another day. um Thank you everybody for coming by. Tara, thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks for inviting me. talk to you This was so much fun. Thanks for sharing all your info.
01:15:08
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I hope everybody gets a lot from this. We haven't done a health. We've done mental health a couple times. We haven't done like actual, like regular health in a little bit ever. I don't think directly. So thank you for coming on and talking to us.
01:15:20
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Thank you for having me. I'm very grateful for being here. Thank you. Bye guys. Thank you. Have a good week.