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Episode 32: Lindsay loves 2 lift 405
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This week we are joined by Lindsay - Mother, coach, lifter. We discuss being a parent with special needs children, being an athlete, alcohol and more.
Lindsay on IG: @Lindsayloves2lift
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Transcript
Vertical Video Frustration
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fucks that that video everything vertical and then show it to you on their TV. And you're like, what do you, what, what? This is offensive. This is borderline offensive. Right. Right. That's right. I agree.
Introduction to 'Toxic Masculinity' Podcast
00:00:45
Speaker
Hey kids, welcome to toxic masculinity with Ian and Stuart. This week we have Lindsay joining us. How are you doing guys?
00:00:53
Speaker
I'm good. Cheers, everyone. I'm just about to talk into a very creamy pint of Guinness. As is my national demonstration. Yeah, we would expect a thing less.
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Speaker
I haven't I was I have that cup mine has my name on it actually you have again it's up with your name on it and has that my name on it yeah that's I just went to the bar at the right i I just went to the bar at the on the right day and they were like if you want us to put your name on it I was like absolutely.
00:01:23
Speaker
Nice. I like that. I want one of those nine. Yeah, I want one too. I'm kind of jealous. I feel superior when I drink out of it, you know. Yeah. As you should. Yeah. You you you don't look like you've got a drink there, Lindsay. I didn't know I was supposed to. Would you like to get one? It's okay. Oh, yes. One second. Please, by all means. um All right. So let's do the first question.
What is Masculinity?
00:01:46
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Everybody's drinking now. We're good. Lindsay, what does masculinity mean to you?
00:01:52
Speaker
I think when I think of masculinity, I think of a protector more than anything. That's the first thing that comes to my mind. Anything else? That's my first thought. um And then I do, I have like, I tend to think of like someone who's doing things like that I'm um incapable of doing. So I do like mentally assign those like gender roles to men. I think when I think of masculinity, I'm like, you can fix stuff. I don't know why I think that.
00:02:21
Speaker
do Do you think you're doing it consciously or subconsciously? I think I do it subconsciously. And I will give you an example. when i moved from I'm from the Midwest. And when I moved to Florida, I moved here to be with my well the father of my kids, my ex-husband. And it was a completely foreign idea to me that Someone that he couldn't fix my car I don't remember what was wrong with my car But he couldn't fix it and it was like a completely foreign idea to me that we would take it somewhere and get it fixed because my entire life Someone would have fixed that like I would have pulled it into the driveway of either my dad my uncle's Someone and they would have fixed it when and it had it been like a house call it would have been the same thing like Electric plumbing there is never anything in my life that
00:03:13
Speaker
that my dad couldn't fix so like in my mind that's just how everyone was brought up and everyone was raised and everyone could do that but i did quickly figure out that this generation but it was that was not it's not the same like that wasn't passed down because it didn't have to be right so that doesn't make that doesn't make any sense because i mean my dad fixed stuff, my stepdad fixed stuff. I mean, he
Fading Masculine Traits Across Generations
00:03:42
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still to this day, if he's in the house, he'll go, that there needs fixed. Right. You can walk up and, oh, if you need me to fix that, yeah, it's just where my brain goes. But also, if my friends go, oh, there's a, I need Andy, my best friend, Andy.
00:04:05
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He's an amazing guy, but and DIY is not for him.
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ah And he'll go, God, I need to help with this. I need to do this TV thing, put it on the wall thing. And I'm like, that's fine. i'd I'll sort that out for you. I will bring tools. Of all the things to that you can't do. that owner But it's like, but but I do that. So, how has it not passed down? because Surely their parents would have done the parents of the generation now. Mine did. But I can't, i I don't, because I think that those men were, I think it's like a dying, it's like a dying trait because they were busy doing other things. They were busy
00:04:53
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you know, keeping people afloat, keeping households afloat. And it wasn't something that they spent, they didn't spend the same amount of time
Boredom and Creativity in Children
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together, like in the garage or just hands on doing things because kids had activities and sports and stuff like that. So I like my brother, for instance, picked those things up. But I most kids my age were not doing those things. I think you're right too. But also, I mean, I'm i'm I'm from a generation of holding nails and handing my dad tools and stuff so I'm not as handy as he is but he's also very much somewhere around the midlife he turned into that's fucking good enough.
00:05:28
Speaker
you know like He's like, yeah that's good enough, it's fixed, it works, whatever. So like I learned a lot of stuff like that, but um some things I'm handy with, some things not so much. like i I'm also in Florida and we had a little bit of the winds from the storm. I lost a fence panel, so I had to go get posts and do all that shit, put a fence back together. so That was fun. Did the posts actually come out or did the panel come off? ah Two of the posts snapped. So dude yeah. So we just went and got panels and then my buddy Gabe's like, I got an auger. I'm like, that's good. Because if you didn't have that, my buddy Tom and I would be digging a hole and nobody wants to see two old guys doing that. And he goes, absolutely not. Nobody, definitely nobody wants to see that. Calling yourself an old guy. That's not that's not right. But then I yeah
00:06:13
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I ah wasn't saying that that I disagreed with you. I think you're absolutely right. It is a thing that people just don't do anymore. um And it kind of brought into my head. It was a video that I watched a couple of days ago. It basically said, um we are spending too much time time with our children.
00:06:41
Speaker
Right. And I know, I know, shock. Oh, no, don't you can't say that. Oh, that's not right. But actually what what what what what the girl was saying was um and we spend too much time making sure our children aren't bored. And boredom is where creativity starts.
00:07:02
Speaker
because it takes boredom sitting about going, fuck, I have nothing to do, to fire up your imagination and find random, you know. I mean, i I was always bored as a child, which is why I ended up taking shit apart in my house and putting it back together again, much to my mother's annoyance. Yeah. Because it was never the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it gave me a career now, because now I fix things for a living.
00:07:31
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So and i wouldn't have I wouldn't have had that creativity in my brain to do that if I wasn't bored all the time. So if you if you're constantly doing shit for your kids and not letting them ever get bored, you're kind of tamping out their creativity thing, which I thought was a really interesting thing.
Curated Social Interactions for Children
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does point I don't remember who I was talking to, but I was telling them, yeah it's interesting that kids, because I agree, when we were bored, if we said we were bored, we had to go pick up the like that was just the rule. So you just didn't say you were bored, you found something to do. But now I also noticed that kids even have a hard time interacting with each other, as opposed to like we would just walk up to each other and be like, Hey, do you want to be friends girl boy it didn't matter. um But now even play like with other kids is still curated.
00:08:21
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we They don't know how to to do it themselves. They don't know how to walk up and make friends in person or out of playground anymore because we curate play date and we organize an activity at that play date to make sure they're not bored. And now it's like, are we handicapping them from just being able to be social because it's spilling over into our adulthood now to like, look at, we don't meet, we don't meet people in person. We, even as adults, like trying to go on a date, you're going to find that person online probably. I mean,
00:08:51
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hate them. I don't know. I've never had a... Shut up. i don't And I'm not hating, but I'm saying, oh like it's it's changing things. Yeah. It's definitely changing things. I think I'm kind of lucky in that
Parenting Special Needs Children
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respect. I have two girls, um most of the listeners will know that, but you won't. and I have two girls. ah One of them is 11.
00:09:15
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And she has autism and a whole bunch of other shit going on. And the other one is four and mental. and full eniac Yeah. She's like, Zoe, the younger one makes friends everywhere. Like yeah literally she just goes, do you want, like what you were saying, she just goes up to me and goes, do you want to play? And I'm like, they're like, yeah, okay.
00:09:40
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and and ah But I think some of that comes from, fact we live in a really kind of safe street. And there's hundreds of kids in our street that play all the time and they'll just come out and they'll call and they'll play and they'll do stuff and they'll hang about. and then Yeah, and Zoe's fearless too. And Zoe's fearless. She doesn't really, doesn't give a shit. And I like to foster that. you know and the confidence it gives us them The confidence to be able to just go. I have tried with Quora, obviously autism is
00:10:13
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ah different set of rules to that thing. Like her best friend lives next door to us and even now she won't knock on the door to call for her on her own. I have to go and stand with her or I have to do the knocking just in case something goes wrong. I don't know what the fuck's going in wrong she said because she's never been denied to her friend or anything, but she just, I'm not doing it. i'm not I can't do it. I'm not doing it. And she'll... It's like making a call to the doctor. just yeah I need you to do it. It's a weird thing. And she'll stand out in the street and she'll go... And everybody in the street knows her. All the parents know her. All the kids know her. They know the score. They know what the crack is. And she'll stand out in the street and she'll go, ah, there's nobody there to play with. And I'm like,
00:11:04
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There's literally people just just go up and and start talking to them. She's like, no, I said, do you need ah so much so that i'm the I'm the creepy dad who goes, Hey, do you want to play? Yeah. Okay. And it's just kind of so weird. say I see the kind of the double thing there, but am I'm kind of happy that Zoe doesn't have that fear of going up and talking to people. I could see how a lot of kids would I did worry that that's what was going to happen her with her being a COVID baby. Yeah. Because she was in the house for three years, whatever it was, you'd think they're going to come out and go, Oh, what the fuck are those other shaped things? But no, she's the exact opposite. She's just like, Hey, you come have fun. Let's go. Let's go jump off this. Do you know what I mean?
00:11:54
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Yeah, that's what my second is like. And they're very close in age, but my oldest has cerebral palsy. So a lot of those like similar, but there, I think there's a difference because with Camilla, you can see, you can physically see her, her issues. um Whereas I think with kids with autism, other kids have to like try to understand like there, this behavior isn't behavior that I see all the time. Yeah. What is that? Yeah. Why is she being so fucking blunt? Why is she, why is she waving like that? You know, whatever it is, um, cause Camilla doesn't have. Cora has all the things to you that make it more visible. Um, kind of a similar, uh, uh, yeah. So you can, you, but and most kids that look at her know there's something going on there. Right. The, the autism is just the wee cherry that sits on the top of her head. just to make it actually gri
00:12:45
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and It's the sparkle. yeah those are the shirtrles that's awesome yeah We have SPD. She does not have, um, Camilla's not diagnosed autism, but she has like sensory processing disorder and OCD. So the OCD is what gets us because if, if, if there is something off,
00:13:04
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And i mean it could be another kid they could be doing something that's minding their own business but if it doesn't play out the way she expected it to when i tell you like i had to pick up early from school even today because there is just something off and.
00:13:18
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I'm like, well, it's one of those days. Hey, I hear you. i It's going to be that kind of day. It's just this one. Obviously, i ah for the listeners, say they know this, but I don't know. Have you listened to much of the show?
00:13:36
Speaker
I listened to
New Partners in Special Needs Families
00:13:38
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a few. I was going to say he probably listens to them all the time. I hear them way more than I want to. I've separated from my ex-wife.
00:13:53
Speaker
And we're still friends. It's all good. And I have a new lady in my life who is listening to the show. She's like 10 episodes in now. So hello, Siobhan, when you get to this point. i am funny though right That's what she thinks. I'm the funny one. Yeah, you're the funny one. Of course. Anyway, and um it's kind of interesting having someone come into this life Do you know what I mean? Yeah. ha but how do you Have you had have you like made new friends or anything like that? Whether you've had to bring them into your life as it is now because it is kind of fucking weird. like
00:14:33
Speaker
It is weird. So I haven't introduced any like men that to my kids. We got divorced in 2020, like the beginning of 2021. So I haven't introduced any men to them, but it's definitely, I know it's definitely difficult for my friends, like just my like friends to be, to understand like, no, that's probably not an event that we're all going to be like, don't bring the kids. Like you, that sounds great in theory, but no.
00:15:03
Speaker
because we're going to be there for one hour and then something catastrophic is going to, how there's going to be a calamity. So no, we're not going to do that. Well, even, even like you were saying, her, her expectations, Kamala's expectations of things and stuff like that, like falling through probably set her off a little bit too and chaos with people right around. And just think exactly it's the other people. So, but it is strange cause people like it's so normal to special needs families like our, our X, Y, and Z are dealing with a tantrum or whatever the, whatever the,
00:15:32
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issue is. like That's such a normal thing for us. But for someone on the outside looking in, they're like, what the fuck is going on here? We have... We do meetups every year. There's... there's The core is me and overarching condition is a thing called MCM. And there's about 300 people diagnosed with it in the world.
00:15:52
Speaker
And we do meetups for the UK and Ireland families every year, where we all get together and we stay in the same hotel and we hang out for a weekend. Great, right? And it's really nice being with families that understand your shit. yeah But it's also really weird sitting in the bar of the hotel and all hell's breaking loose and we're all sitting going, ah and the rest of the people are going what the fuck is happening Oh my gosh Camilla tipped her walker over one time and this was when I knew that I was like
00:16:27
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just maybe I can't even think of it like I was just not normal anymore because she's walking through a store she just started to using her kaywalker and she just falls and like I look over she was not even three feet away from me but I look over and she's just like legs up and she wears afos And she just kind of like made a weird noise, but she wasn't really screaming. So I'm like, well, whatever. We fell down and everyone just stopped and started freaking out. They're running over. This guy ran, bless. He ran from like across the store. Oh my God.
00:17:02
Speaker
We're okay. Everything is fine. You just fell. And of course then she's embarrassed. So then she starts crying. So then I look like an asshole and she's upset. I'm like, okay. Oh, the dominoes have fallen. It doesn't have to be like this. Yeah. It's surprising how much the they're not freaking out helps.
00:17:21
Speaker
Yeah. And actually i really has it I really had to teach myself how to do that um because I just automatically wanted to wrap her in cottonwood for a very, very long time. yeah But Cora was in ah a walker for a while as well to try and get her walking. And yeah, it was always fun taking her out in that.
00:17:40
Speaker
You just never know when they're going to hit a curb or a rock and it goes dink. And there's no protective reflex. Yeah, no. We naturally, we put our hands down if we're going to fall, but that like there's a global delay with Camilla and she's no protective. So if she's going down, she's going like like dolphin style. like it's just She's just hitting the floor and it's going to be bad. Yeah.
Strength Training Inspired by Parenting
00:18:05
Speaker
Man, I got to admit though, like part of the reason I started following you was because I saw one of your TikToks, I think it was, or real. And it was you like explaining why you started training and stuff and it's like, why do I have to be strong or whatever? It's pretty old. And you it showed you and Camilla and and and your other daughter like doing stuff. And I was like, this is fucking cool as shit. like I just thought it was super sweet, but adorable. Is that the video you sent me? I sent you a different one. I sent you one of her like going off on ah some of the comments that that she got as a woman who lifts with yeah dudes that are little dick energy and their your Lindsay your comments back were fucking hilarious. It was like yes, I totally take ownership of that. It's totally my fault. I was i was sp i was fucking dying. It was so good. It was completely my fault. I'm so so sorry for being born this day. That's inconsiderate. The video you sent me was the one where you're carrying. Oh yeah, I did send you one of them. Yeah. Yeah. And as soon as you sent me that video, I literally, my automatic reply was back was, we need this person on the show. Because that's Core is 11 and I still have to carry her.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, period. you know she can She can walk and stuff now, and she's doing really, really well. She can dance too, just so you know. Oh, yeah um but she yeah. But she can't walk for long periods of time, and then at times she'll just go, I'm fucking done.
00:19:29
Speaker
youre like that' like once that once she hits that wall she's like I'm tired but Camilla is also a stink and she'll like milk it like if she doesn't want to clean her room or something she'll be like I'll be like can you just pick up just the things that are on the floor and she'll be like it's just that my little like okay um pick up your toys Oh man. She's a mess, but it is. Yeah. It's useful. It's just people don't under. I think what people miss is like the the loading because like she, yes, she can walk, but I still have to get her out of the walker and into the car and out of the car and wherever we're going. So it's those little things. And she's like not getting any smaller. She's not getting any lighter. So, and I've always lifted, I've lifted my whole life, but the obsession with strength was really like,
00:20:23
Speaker
it came on like immediately. just Like I'm gonna carry her for it was like even her being tiny and coming home from the NICU she was still on oxygen. So I looked at like an insane person I'd have the baby carrier you you know how huge those are a baby on oxygen and oxygen tank a diaper bag that had literally like the rings of power or like that's how much I mean everything you can think of I had in this diaper bag and I'm just going to the grocery store.
00:20:51
Speaker
And then I cart it all in there and people are just like, is she a prepper? Is this a doomsday? like What is happening here? And then, you know, just for like a gallon of milk, like this is this is ridiculous. I'm embarrassed for myself because I'm out of breath. Yeah, it's weird, though, to like people that aren't used to seeing or being around people in medical conditions, how they react to things like It's interesting. Like we've talked about this a lot. i I don't have a physical like you can't see my my disabilities and stuff, but um I have medical medical stuff.
00:21:25
Speaker
It's just weird. Like we were talking about how I just want to be treated normal and stuff like I don't want and we talked about empathy. I was like, I don't even want that. It's when you like call me a cunt. Like just talk to me like normal. And I think don't make it weird. Yeah. I think people lose sight of that because they they do care. They do want to help and their hearts in the right place. But it's just like just fucking be normal. Like chill out. Like this is part of life. Disabled people are just people.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah so we don't know how to we don't know what to say and they don't want to say the wrong thing that she was weird but. and like stueart ste and i Make jokes and like you know we we told the story um we went on a ride to disney with corwin on the frozen ride she really want to go on it she chose.
00:22:08
Speaker
to sit with me and Stewart. So she had an arm on each one of us. And there's a drop in the ride. And afterwards, if she got off and we were giggling and watching her, because she's she would literally go up and down. Like one minute, she's like, I'm so proud of myself. And the next minute, she's bawling like she's like the most scared she's been in her life. yeah She kept doing that down the exit hallway and him and I were just like laughing. were like Whatever. OK. She was just being a woman on it. that's literally my car ride this pool was like that so i don't know what the problem is
00:22:44
Speaker
i fucking get love them kids man but Yeah, I think people's could learn a lot just from like being normal like, you know ask don't run over just be like you good All right, cool, you know stuff like that Something thing I had to learn when I when we left the NICU and all of those things I had was like, just accept the help. Like when someone wants to help you or someone offers to hold the door or carry a the walker or or like Camilla had a torrential meltdown the one day and she actually drew blood on this first time ever. This was like this year, she actually was scratching and screaming so hard that she drew blood on my neck, my shoulder. And this lady is just like,
00:23:21
Speaker
Hey, I'm a PT. Do you want me to push this cart? Because I had a cart full of stuff I was checking out. I was like, yes. Yeah. like and And it's just like, and in another and another time, I would have been like, no, I've got it. But just let people help you. Just let people help you. They want to help. And it it's good for everyone. And it it like you need that. For sure. And the approach helps. like Being calm, yeah especially with a child. like don't Don't don't escalate things by also yelling and running and freaking out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's really hard to do though. It is. it's a time it is So. i you come back Welcome to my life with this dude. i'm sending loop back around but doesn yeah have on the Airport loop. it'll So wait,
Nurturing Children's Personalities
00:24:04
Speaker
wait. So Lindsay, what's what's the most valuable and rewarding thing you've gotten out of the kids for you? Both of them from everything you've learned. So.
00:24:14
Speaker
I think that my favorite thing is always watching them be or watching them turn into like the little people that they are, you know, like that development of personality is my favorite part, and kind of trying to nurture and foster that in them. um And I think the best part of that is that they're total opposite. um So I have like a little Camilla is very dainty and girly, and she doesn't like dirt. And she's Like, she's like, no, thank you. She's soft spoken. And then I have an absolute, like, maniac. And so, like, we used to call her the bulldozer because she doesn't go around. She goes through. She's just no fucks. That's awesome. but But she's completely feral. Like, I just walked into her room earlier and she was painted purple from here down. No reason, no explanation. Shut the door. Perfect. I i think i think our families might be twinned. I'm just saying.
00:25:10
Speaker
Cause Zora's an absolute princess as well. Oh, for sure. Like desperate and Zoya is feral. It's just madness. Feral. It's my favorite thing about that, but it's like the hardest thing to like, cause sometimes I'm like, would you do that? And then I'm like, well, of course you did that because that's who you are. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We had a steward over here with his whole family and uh,
00:25:35
Speaker
We were playing catch the Zoe. If you put her down, she'd bolt and somebody, whoever was closest would just run after her, pick her up and she'd giggle her ass off. She's so excited. Yeah, exactly. She's been giggling her ass off when you picked her up and laughing and you put her down and she'd bolt again and someone else would go running after her. She did it the other day in the supermarket. I could just hear her in the distance.
00:26:00
Speaker
joe and i couldn' And nobody could help me because they were all fucking laughing so much. And I couldn't run after her because I had Cora with me. And if I ran away from Cora, then she would freak out. um you know At some point, you got to pick your battles. You go, well, I guess we just lost the tiny one. She's gone now. She lives in the store. That's it.
00:26:25
Speaker
Jesus. it Just mad, absolute madness. And then she did it again today in the wee shop around the corner. um But all the ladies in the shop know her by this point. And the ghost is over here. And I'm like, okay, man. So she goes, wait a while. She's just, you do your thing. It's fine. And I'm like, just if she thinks it's hilarious. it know She likes to see daddy's blood boil a wee bit.
00:26:51
Speaker
totally yeah do not kiss and no amount of some man's gonna lift you and take you away she just goes No, because to be fair, if any man left to do and tried to take her away, he'd go, fucking no. He'd bring her back. Immediately. This is too crazy for me. Nevermind. Not that one. I think you lost this. See you later. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. It's fucking weird. Like, yeah, they're just, it's like, I think there's a little bit of like special needs sibling in there that like, they're just kind of built different. I don't know. I think you might be right. Yeah.
00:27:29
Speaker
Because I always found that there is a difficult balance between like not over accommodating situations for Camilla to the extent that it like takes away from the experience from Delaney, my youngest, my like typical kid. So it was like, do we over accommodate to make sure that Camilla can be included?
00:27:50
Speaker
And then I find myself saying, yeah, when, when Delaney was really small, I would find myself saying yes to her more often, even though it was like, I said, we weren't going to do that. But yeah, go ahead. Because I feel bad because I'm always holding me. I'm always holding one. I'm always pending to her. I'm always, you know, there's just a lot more hands on care involved. So it's like, there's an attention um imbalance. So I'm like, I have this theory that there's like, uh,
00:28:14
Speaker
you know, an attention. There's an imbalance there that creates the other ones kind of act out a little bit because what they really want is like the same amount of attention, but that's impossible. Like to a certain degree, it's impossible. Yeah. Well, me and Claire have had the same conversation because we feel the same way that you know, at certain times zo we left because we're dealing with the madness that is, you know, an Essie and child.
00:28:44
Speaker
um and But the other side of that is it's made Zoe who she is. She's really yeah empathetic. She's very caring. She already does stuff for Cora, like she's just like Cora's trying to open something with a lock on it.
00:29:05
Speaker
And she just comes over and goes, I'll do that. And opens it, do you know what I mean? And goes,
Sibling Dynamics with Special Needs
00:29:10
Speaker
there you go. Do you worry that that will eventually turn into resentment because of that, like, you always needing to help, like, do you worry about resentment? Because I do. I do worry about it, yeah. But I hope, i' my obviously, um I hope it doesn't happen because obviously the reason we had Zoe was to look after Cora when we were gone.
00:29:32
Speaker
and done that That was a joke, folks. Yeah, she was an absolute accident. No. so ah so Obviously, you have in your head that she will be able to help look after Cora. Do you know what I mean? Because you do worry. That is one of those things you worry about. But I hope she doesn't feel the resentment it is something I don't think she will I just don't think that's well at this point it's not who she is do you know what I mean you can kind of tell she doesn't
00:30:14
Speaker
you know because ah Don't get me wrong, she gets annoyed with Cora whenever Cora is doing daft shit and she's gone. you know am but i don't think ah At this point, I don't think she'll have that and I hope it never gets to that point. That would be pretty sad. yeah you know Not to say whenever she's ah going through her teenage years, they'll not have an abnormal amount of upset.
00:30:41
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because that's going to happen regardless. The main thing is that they come out of it and are still friendly. you know Yeah, that's what I wear. My girls are 12 and 10. They're a little bigger. They are very close, um but they're a little bit older and so it's like that time is just about here where like They separate, you know, they're into different things. They have different friends groups. So I'm like, I worry. I'm like, Hey, will you go do this? And it's nothing, but it's like that. Yeah, but that's gonna like oh i know know it's going happen anyway. So much worse. i know know Every time I'm just like, get a job, get a job. i don't
00:31:27
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Well, I had the joy the other week. Cora started secondary school, you would call it high school. um I don't know what year it is. 11-year-old. I don't know what that is. The middle school. The middle school for us, yeah. okay Middle school, yeah. So secondary school. And she's in mainstream. Yeah, I think. It's mainstream with a learning support unit. so she's And she's doing really, she's loving life, love and absolutely loving it. Doing really, really well.
00:31:55
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And, but she came home the other last week, I think. And she goes, I, I asked a boy to be my friend and I went, did did you know?
00:32:10
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And she went, yes, he was sitting beside me in class. I went, OK, because they moved them around. So they talked to everybody in the class and not just do the autism thing of talking to one person for five years. And and I was like, right, OK. And as I'm what did what did he say? He said, yes, and nodded and smiled. I went,
00:32:34
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Excellent, excellent. its just ah wish She shot her shot. She went for it. I was thinking he could come to the house sometime and I said, I'm so fucking luckily not. I almost lost my beer, dude. That's not happening. And she was like, but why? I went, it's just, I can't deal with this. shit but I'm not ready yet. So Camilla did that. I'm not kidding. Same scenario. Camilla did the same thing. I was looking through her folder and I find a note because she can write and she does a pretty good job writing. She's a great speller. So I see this note in there that says, will you be my boyfriend? Yes, they're not. Oh no. She went full.
00:33:22
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great but george straight on us
00:33:27
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who is this for and she like i can't remember the boy's name but she was ready she was like i wrote it down i'm ready to shoot my shot do you want to be my man's yes or no like god phil pal i got that's amazing i was like girlfriend it's the third day of I'm s stoked for her. I mean, I'm not a parent so I can be.
00:33:46
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man yeah ah part of me was really proud because I mean I went through the mo I went through a lot of school without the ability to go excuse me or and attractive um but and yeah she's tune a couple of weeks into secondary school and youre like no shirts it's amazing Your whole chest. That's what I like to hear. Both of them. Both of them hold chest in that shit. That's awesome. It's so good. I just love it. It's really good. But how does that, um, the show is about masculinity and men. How does that make you feel that, uh, cause obviously you grew up. It's coming with boys. ah chima we we both I was a boy. Um,
00:34:37
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I know the thoughts that go on inside this brain. How, how do you feel have being a parent of girls knowing that they're going to go out into that world of, um, I mean, ah I'm going to be honest, I'm hoping them, one of them likes the ladies because there's just a lot less to worry about.
Fostering Confidence in Daughters
00:34:57
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ah Dear God, please. I think this is why it's so important. Like this is why confidence is so important. Cause I remember like thinking back to where I had like, I wasn't like ah a low, I didn't have like low self esteem as a kid, i but but I was always because I was doing something or like I had this idea that as long as I was capable of something that no one could take away from me. So that's kind of the approach that I take with the girls. like yeah yeah it's It's much more important to like make sure that you are proud of what you're capable of and less like important what someone thinks of that, especially the boy that you sit next to in science class in seventh grade yeah or whatever. you know
00:35:40
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so like the the I think there's a small way of leading by example, you know, when they show up to meet or whatever it is where it can be like, look, and it's not like aesthetic related. And it's not about what you look like. It's just like, look what I can do. Look what I can accomplish. Look how strong I am. Those are like those fundamental things that you might not realize how much it builds up self esteem until it's a little bit too late because all girls are ever told is that oh you look so pretty all your hair so pretty all that dress so pretty everything is so pretty and so and i think it it also
00:36:18
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is important to let them know that you can do both, that both things are pretty and we're a lot more important than just being pretty in our dress. um So capability, I think is like the path there. My girls told me I was real pretty once. You are real pretty, sir. And I was quite proud of that. I've never been told I was pretty before. but i onnna tick So that reminds me of a story. um My friend Anne is a lifter and she also, she did powerlifting and bodybuilding.
00:36:45
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And I was filming her once. And this story always, it always goes back because it made me laugh so hard when she did this. She was tying into 315 to do a set. And she looks up at me while I'm filming her and she goes, deadpan, I'd rather be bedazzling something right now. And I was like, this jacked ass big woman who's super sweet is tying in all this weight. She's like, yeah, I'd rather be bedazzling something right now. I was like, the fucking dichotomy in that. was like But it made me laugh a lot, so.
00:37:15
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Yeah. I think that being able to do both is important. You know, like you can care what you look like. You can care, you know, you can have great big eyelashes and long nails, but you can still go do some pretty bad ass shit. Obviously. Yeah. I think you should do whatever you want to do. You can hire somebody who gives a shit. If it's fun, then go do it.
00:37:33
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But that's not always the narrative that you hear. like Just like the comments that I get, and that's kind of what I've noticed there. I know that people are like, oh, you're just egging it on. But um one of my one my good friends, there's also a coach, and he was like, you also teach other people how to handle it without getting upset, without getting sassy. um Well, get a little sassy. But without you know getting upset with yourself or getting upset at yourself. by Because people are going to have an opinion either way.
00:38:02
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Umm... why not make fun of it? Why not make fun of it? Exactly. And the hard part too of being like, being in social media or being putting yourself out there is like, you're pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don't. So just do whatever feels right and it's fun. So yeah, you, you take the good with the bad. So, you know, you're going to expect somebody to, yeah, that's what keeps people going. So, but I mean, also you, like you just said, like that coach told you, like you're teaching people how to deal with it. Like you're not taking it personally or just like whatever. Cause there are some that I've like, I've been like,
00:38:34
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yeah
Handling Public Comments on Disabilities
00:38:35
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yeah peoplego is not a that's enough internet yeah yeah Yeah. I mean, we all get that even in life, though, like growing up, like people just step up and say the most fucked up shit, like not everybody, but periodically, somebody will come up and do it. You just got to figure out how to deal with it. So yeah I am struggle a wee bit with. Because.
00:39:00
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Cora has physical disabilities as well. that um nobody's ever really said anything. There was one incident when she was a lot younger, there was a wee boy in a park, came up to Claire and said, what's wrong with her? And Claire went, nothing. She's beautiful and she's just herself. And he went, OK. But Claire came home and cried.
00:39:32
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Yeah. I have a lot of those. Yeah. and And for me, it was always the supermarket when I had her in the in the in the trolley or the the cart, as you would call it, and walking around, and people fucking come past and look at her, staring. And you're like, fuck, I'm going to fucking ram this fucking into you. ah Right. and Yeah. And I worry... My main thing is to try and give them
00:40:04
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the ability to tell people to fuck off whenever they give them shit and to know that they can't do that because I mean there was I think Cora was about nine or something she was playing outside and there's a wee boy she says a wee boy up the road she keeps giving me the finger and I say well do you know what love I says, I normally find in these type of situations, a good, firm, loud fuck off.
00:40:34
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And she went, that'll do it. No, I can't do that. No, no I went. I'm saying now, if someone comes up to me and says, your daughter told him to fuck off, I'll stand behind you and go, what did he do? I feel like goddamn right. Don't yeah immediately worry your head about it. It's absolutely fine. And it's trying to know that she has that ability. Now, the other side is she has a wicked sense of humor.
00:40:59
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Yeah. And I think that will hold her in good stead for those things, because people will make comments. A lot of them tend to go over her head, and praise be to the autism. and You know, it's not all that.
00:41:16
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And um that it is a lot of that just goes straight over her head and she doesn't see it. But I just worry that you know it's going to make her feel down at times. and and And then I have to go and set fire to the universe for her on her behalf.
00:41:29
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Exactly. have to scorch the earth. Yeah. and it It is one of those things. and i just I don't know how, as a man, I try not to deal that with deal with that with with you know extreme anger and violence. I tend to deal with it with a certain amount of comedy. At least I try to. and I'm trying to instill that into her. It's hard. How do you feel about that? It's hard. I think Because ah kids I try to give kids the benefit of the doubt and teach them a little bit because kids don't know. Kids think that something happened. I've noticed that.
00:42:08
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um Like they, they see Camilla in a walker and she had braces on, or she used to wear braces all the time and and it'd be like, what happened to her? So like, oh, they don't understand that she was born like this. They think something tragic has happened or they would walk up and this one would kill me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about your legs. And they think that they're,
00:42:29
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They think they're doing the right thing. You can't fault a kid for that, but Camilla feels awkward. She's embarrassed. I'm like, ah, you missed the mark, dad. You missed the mark here.
00:42:40
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um but something that I have tried to always do is when they ask what's wrong with her is to direct them to her because every like it used to irritate me that people just immediately speak over people with disabilities like they speak over top of them around them they talk to me and I'm like ah as soon as they would ask me what's wrong with her I'm like Camilla do you want to talk about your walker because it's like I want to direct it right back to her right away so that they understand that one she comprehends what you're saying don't speak around her speak to her and two she can either tell you what you know as she'll say my legs don't always listen to my brain um or she can tell you to go fuck yourself yeah the last person who asked a stupid question I broke my legs kicking them so that would
00:43:31
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as one does. Yes, exactly. yeah I think that's awesome actually. It is a weird one. like It is. I think there um like in in that case Camilla getting exposure to that and being able to like deal with different situations is awesome. um i don't know I know a lot better and I know that his daughters are around a lot of awesome people.
00:43:51
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um Not me, but other people. um But like his ex-wife is great. His his current girlfriend Siobhan is great. All his friends that I've met have been awesome. So I mean seeing all this stuff modeled to them and then everything else. And then for me, like just listening to these stories, I just want to punch people in the throat, but that's just me. So it's very hard.
00:44:13
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It's hard to read just even like when I, like the second I hear someone that I otherwise respect and just throw an R word, I'm like, don't, don't, don't. don't I like you so much. I had so much respect for you and you've ruined it. I don't like that word. I have extreme vitriol over that particular word. um So much so that, I mean, my friends now, if someone new to the group,
00:44:40
Speaker
says it, they all automatically go, and look at me. yeah I've now got to the point where I just don't fucking respond because I'll just destroy people. Oh, I don't have that much practice. The problem is it's still used. it's still you Americans, dear God, people use it so much.
00:45:04
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I had a couple of friends that have stopped saying it because they've heard me actively be like, I king hate that word. Like you wouldn't say it if my child was standing in front of you. So maybe you should never say it if you have to restrict when you can use it. yeah As with most things, you know? yeah Um, ah speaking of which, uh, Lindsay, you and I talked briefly in a chat about perspective and things and you say you you talk about that a lot. So talk about that a little lot. Like what is your view on people having perspective and how do you teach it? I just,
00:45:34
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I just think that people have, um but we like they miss the part where everything isn't applicable. And it's funny that we would segue from, I hate when people say this because it's not as applicable to other people's lives.
Perspective and Patience in Understanding Others
00:45:48
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It doesn't affect people. It's it's another way of saying, that's really stupid to most people because their perspective is not going to be the same as mine. But the idea that like you people can only meet you where their perspective lies. you know So ah being patient enough to remember that um and remembering like some people have the depth of a fucking puddle. I'm not going to fix that in in one conversation. I'm not going to change that overnight. That's the thing that made me stop kind of biting back constantly. Because I suddenly realized that that that person has clearly had a ah a more
00:46:25
Speaker
blessed life where they haven't had to fucking confront this shit head on. Do you know what I mean? That's not necessarily their fault. um But it's not their problem until it's their problem. you know we're at the mercy of our We're just at the mercy of of what we ah where our perspective lies on almost everything. like I'm not going to change your mind that you can only see this deep. And if that's how if that's the where you live your life, fine.
00:46:53
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You're committed to for sure. And it's also a willingness to be able to step outside yourself. If you're not willing to do it in the first place, you're never going to grow. um So we had talked to and I think Stu or maybe we brought this up once, but um it's weird. Like I have this weird kind of like.
00:47:10
Speaker
polar opposite feeling for some folks where I'm like, dude, you are so lucky you do not understand how blessed you are to have such a blessed and sheltered life. But at the same time, I also feel bad for them because they don't have the life experiences to deal with so many things.
00:47:24
Speaker
You know what I mean? Cause I know what kind of hurt I went through and I don't wish that shit on anybody, but it's also what helped me grow. So, and I have a big thing on here where I say like, you can't get better at anything without at least a little pain, some kind of discomfort. It's always going to take something to grow. So it's just weird. Cause I don't wish pain on people, but it's also like, you kind of need a little, so that's kind of why I split like that. Yeah, it is. it's It's weird to kind of like, you know, a little little struggle would help you.
00:47:52
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Or at least, you know, thank yeah maybe it's because you don't have to have the struggles yourself, but maybe if occasionally just once in a while people considered other people, that would be quite nice. Just putting, you know, a legitimate, like innocent kind of curiosity is also healthy too. Like approach things like with an innocence, kind of like a curiosity, like a small kid, when you ask questions about things you don't understand, so you don't hurt feelings. and so The person like understands that you're trying to understand so you can gain that perspective and also that you have their back and you're not trying to attack them, I think is a big thing. to Some people don't. like I'm being very genuine when I ask this, but make it make sense to me. Yeah, for sure. um Yeah, I talk a lot about perspective.
00:48:40
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And i think it's like I think it's a great quality to have to be able to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Maybe that's what everyone says is, I'm an MF, I'm an MF. But it's just like, no, you can just see it from both sides. And I do that almost to a fault sometimes when I frustrate myself because I'm like, well, I understand why you look at it this way. So I'll just go fuck myself. like It just gets... um to the point where you almost cut your own legs out from under you because you're like, I see why I can see your perspective on this one. So I get it. Nevermind. But I think there's a level like people pleasing attached to that. Of course. But also like if you see their perspective and they're not willing to come around, they're probably not worth your time anyway because you shitle I really do try and see other people's point of view.
00:49:25
Speaker
Any of my friends listening to this would probably disagree with them. I was going to say, this motherfucker. and The man that argues it. But it doesn't mean I ah agree with it and I don't want to teach them the error of their fucking ways. ah To a fault. To a fault, i think hey I honestly think I'm getting better. I really do. I don't know. so unless unless Unless they bring up the religion and then all bets are off. Yeah.
00:49:54
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My mom always told me that people who don't listen have to feel, and that is like and a resounding lesson of life. like I'm like, because I never listen. so that but But I see it unfold on other people all the time. like Well, you know you had all the warning signs there and you chose and to move forward anyway, so how much of this is on you? That sounds exhausting. Yeah. Don't tip back in the chair.
00:50:23
Speaker
Don't step back in the chair. Oh, there is no, there is nothing like the karma that happens when you've told your kids this seven times, stop doing something and they kept doing them like, well, here we are. I have a minor one on video. yeah Stewart was trying to get Zoey to say hi to me. She's drinking a drink and she spills it on herself and he goes, didn't I tell you not to do that? She goes, that's okay.
00:50:44
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yeah
00:50:47
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She's like, I'm not the one cleaning this up. Yeah, pretty much. You probably did that. Oh man. Yeah. I think a lot of people could like learn a lot. I think getting cultured and trying things and seeing different things too is very helpful for that kind of stuff
Cultural Exposure's Impact on Perspective
00:51:01
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too. You have to be open to see things. Yeah. Getting out of your own comfort zone and away from what's what's normal. And just like except I think a lot of people, that's where it's lacking. Like I noticed a lot of differences in first perspective when I go to my hometown, which is a very small place in Ohio. And then when you get out of there, you realize just how like sheltered people are. And but and again, it goes back to like, well, this is why their perspective is this big and the world that is this big and it probably won't change. And arguing with me isn't going to be for sure. So people I think sometimes people choose to be sheltered.
00:51:38
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Oh, they choose ignorance every time. You know what I mean? You're going to Ohio, small town, or you know, where you live in Ohio, small town. What was the population?
00:51:51
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15,000 or 18,000. That's a pretty big fucking place here. Do you know what I mean? it's like they like that well that's I think that might be my county though. My country. I live in Northern Ireland and we have 1.6 million people in the whole country. Do you know what I mean? Well, that's tiny for here. yeah Yeah. So I think people choose to be like that.
00:52:19
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And it's like, I don't just don't do that, especially in this day and age with, with, you know, books and knowledge, TV, internet, can't do no books, can't read you know, like, ah where it like where, you know, this is what my my grandpa taught me and it's fine. And it's like willful generational ignorance.
00:52:58
Speaker
and And they've lived in the same place for ah years and years and years and years, and they've been this way. and so it's like i'm never That person's not going to change their mind. They're not going to actively seek something that doesn't agree with them. you know so um And I think that there's a lot more of that than we realize um in the world day to day. so those are the but i'm like I try to think of it as like those are the people that I'm arguing with.
00:53:28
Speaker
It's not worth it. Yeah, exactly. People that I know, people, my family, people that I love, I'm like, we disagree so heavily and I will never change your mind. This is not worth my time. Yeah, for sure. I think too, like parents doing things like um I lived in St. Petersburg as a kid, then my family moved to Connecticut. But while I was down here, I used to race BMX and do all kinds of stuff. But my parents knew that I liked history, even as like a six year old.
00:53:52
Speaker
So they literally packed up our shit, grabbed a camper. We went from St. Augustine to Gettysburg and stopped at all these forts so I could learn history instead of just from a book. So I think like feeding into education and teaching the kids things about like actually what things that actually happen, how things actually are. I think as a parent taking the initiative to do that stuff is really good because it was good for me. It opened me up to a lot. um I have so many different kinds of friends in my life now because of it. I kind of can be a chameleon with some groups if I have to be. And it's led me to do ah like a bunch of subcultures. I've survived and thrived in some of them. So
00:54:27
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It's just all this life experience. You see how different people are like we were. We were camping. I think I told this story once we were camping from. We went from Saint Pete to the Upper Peninsula in Marquette, Michigan, and we stopped at some place in Kentucky. And there were like hippies and like clog dancing and biker like all this weird mix of people at the campground and my mom was just like, go have fun, go walk around.
00:54:53
Speaker
And that's what I did. So I just walked around and judge anybody. People were nice to me. I talked to people and that's what I did for like an hour. She's like, just come back in an hour for dinner. Like, all right. The 80s. Yeah, the 80s. Great. But joy. I think being exposed like that to a lot of people, my mom not sheltering me from stuff was like really, really, really, really fucking helpful. And some of the schools I went to, I saw ballet. I was like, this is cool. I never would have done this on my own, you know, stuff like that. So I think culture and experience is really, really important for people.
00:55:24
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So, but I think it almost ties back with our earlier conversation because it's like I remember doing. you know We would just hit the bricks, like we would leave the house, hit the brick, we were gone all day and who knows what we were doing. But we were coming across people, we were always respectful. We would help you know a neighbor lady across the street, we would help you know like all of those little experiences. Even now, our kids don't really get them cuz we're like, you can't cross the street without me, that's not safe. Do you have your life 360? Do you have your helmet on? All right, you can check in every five minutes. Do you have your air tag? Is it strapped to your backpack? like
00:55:57
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like It was a different time and like how much is how much of that is like playing into our lives now and how our kids are growing up and the experiences that they do or do not have or the experiences that like they'll be nervous to have. like My kids when we were home up north, um i I think it was like my grandma's lived in the same place for years and years and years and the neighbor across the street and like go over there and knock on the door. and there You would have thought I asked them to stall off their left to go knock on a stranger's door because they don't do that. like They don't walk around the neighborhood without me. They don't don't do the thing. you know We were on bikes from dusk to dawn. You see, that's it. My girls do. and And I think it it's it is most definitely important that they are able to do that. Yet I know people that live not that far away and their kids aren't able to do that.
00:56:55
Speaker
Because they aren't allowed. Because they aren't allowed or cars or whatever. We know that there's because there's so many kids, all the families kind of keep an eye out on everybody and it's... And take a look. It's all good. Do you know what I mean? and you just you know what the It's all going to be fine. Touch wood.
00:57:12
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And ah so we have is that like knock on wood. I'm gonna steal that. um I'll be like, tchwood no one will know what I'm doing. Zoe zo he hasn't killed anybody yet, so that's good.
00:57:27
Speaker
and gonna get our phone phone tomorrow yes for man it's ah and I think it is important because I think a lot of kids don't get to do that now and then we wonder why they're strange. you know I can remember bringing people into work for me and they didn't know how to answer a phone.
00:57:46
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yeah you're like Just answer the phone, say where you work, ask what you want. And they're like, a hello?
00:58:01
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um and that's youre You're dealing with a really weird generation but and it's not it's not necessarily their fault. and our parents are yeah It's our fault because we we we the hell have we done you protect them too much. And that goes back to the kind of thing that I was saying at the start. If you get if you don't give them enough fucking rope,
00:58:23
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Yeah.
Generational Childhood Experience Differences
00:58:24
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got know to in lesh We were fucking straight feral. So I don't, I don't know how we don't like at least model this to kids. You know what I mean? Like my kids don't know what a landline looks like. They, they, they, so they so start heard one ring when we went to my grandparents. They had no idea. yeah What's that sound? and Like it's the, but like they picked up the phone. They didn't know it were, they were like, what's the noise it's making? I'm like, I like to tell kids I'm older than Google. It really fucks with their head. Yeah. I think I'm from the Stone Age because I had CD. I told them I had a CD player. They said, what are you from this Camilla? I said, what are you from the Stone Age? I'm like... like You should see the ones that were bigger than this once upon a time. Those were 8-tracks. They had 8-tracks in the Stone Age. I had an 8-track player at one point. but I'm kind of old.
00:59:15
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It wasn't the main way, but I had a stereo with an 8-track on it. imagine not how to Imagine not having every song in the universe at at your everywhere meet. You had to wait for it to come on the radio and then have a blank cassette yeah and record it from the radio yeah and hope that you got the whole thing. Yeah. But you always end up with the DJ fucking talking over it too. Yeah. Right.
00:59:41
Speaker
it's ah and It's funny. They don't know how good they have a time. Oh my god, we turned into grumpy, grumpy old people. Get off my lawn. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to go outside and yell at the sky for a little while. I'll be there. Yeah. That's funny. Somewhere someone needs rain, I can smell it. You know what? That was the thing I saw, dude. Like people in England were asking how Americans can smell when the rain is coming. Can you not smell when the rain is coming then? Can you smell the rain? I can smell when the rain's coming. Can you not tell there's... Oh, I can smell. I can smell when the rain's coming. What the fuck is wrong with them then? It must be English. Where's rookie? Well, those are the English. Yeah. i know Because it it kind has a weird kind of...
01:00:18
Speaker
Well here, it smells good here. I like the way it smells. Well, what that is is is the extra moisture in the air. Cleaning particulates out of the air and it's it'ss an increased oxygen, which is why you generally... It's the same as having a shower. It's why you have you always have... Smells good. um like Eureka moments or interesting thoughts while you're having a shower because you're getting cleaner air through your system, more oxygen. Nobody asked for this story, sir.
01:00:46
Speaker
i Fuck you. This is what it's like when you are. He's going to go have a shower. This is why I win shower arguments. Now I'm interested in. Yeah, for sure. It's like two weeks later and I'm like, damn it, I should have said that. Yeah. Got to write it down as soon as you get out of the shower. True.
01:01:05
Speaker
Oh, I will. Because someday it'll come back, or this will come back, and I'll be like, I was ready. Hold on, let me put my notes out really quick. So who said they can't smell the rain? It was somebody I saw on TikTok. It was an English guy who was flipping out. He's like, Americans can smell and the rain is coming. It's so weird. I'm like, how is that weird? i thought You can definitely smell when the rain is coming. You can see it. i mean i like I mean, they get as much water. Do they get as much rain as we do? They have hotter summers than we do.
01:01:30
Speaker
I guess. Probably definitely than you. You're really far north, aren't you? You're by Belfast and all that shit. Oh yeah, I'm pretty far north, but um but also we're right beside... we you know Obviously we have the the the Atlantic current coming over us from the Atlantic, so we would get all the rain first yeah yeah hitting us and then it would go across and then it would hit England and stuff like that.
01:01:54
Speaker
I am, but I can definitely, yeah, I know. Fuck this guy. This guy knows yeah fucking no, I was shocked by it. I need to ask you now. I'll be like, what the fuck, dude? Maybe there's so much there. Maybe you can smell it coming. Maybe this is one of these. One of these concert didn't get a smell back after.
01:02:10
Speaker
and made yeah That happens to people. i know i know i' And the only thing that happened was I lost my smell and taste for like three days and I just kept dipping pickle juice until it came back. I lost mine for a couple of days too, but that was it. Claire lost hers for a couple of months. Yeah. My friend lost it for a couple of months and she had to keep eating things until she, until she could taste it again. Like it took a while for some of the flavors to come back.
01:02:35
Speaker
It's really weird. Yeah. I was, I was so agile. I can't imagine that lasting longer than I did. Cause I was so, cause I really wasn't that thick. I just had no taste and no smell. And I was like, all I want is my, it happened like mid Cuban. I was eating a Cuban. That sucks. I can't taste this.
01:02:54
Speaker
It was weird we had ah my friend tim on and he had it hit super early covid where he was like locked in the hospital by himself and stuff and they actually. They actually had to discharge him and send him home to isolate at home with blood clots in his organs still because they needed the bed so badly so crazy so when people talk to me about like how it was it so bad I'm like yeah you want to talk to somebody I work gum I work in medical.
01:03:22
Speaker
And I work with paramedics and EMTs. And when we had a resurgence down here in Florida, like when did that really, really big second spike, one of the guys came back in on the weekend was like, we had to, we took someone to an yeah ah ER and had to drive 30 minutes in a different direction. Cause the ER at a 12 hour wait. Jesus. It was a smaller town, but yeah, I was like, yeah, people just need to actually like be in the middle of it to see what's going on.
01:03:44
Speaker
Yeah, ru it was my parents were really my parents were super in denial of it. And they still like my dad worked at our hospital. He's he's HVAC. He just does like, you know, he keeps the dead people cold and there's the air as you do the as one does. And he he was very agitated because he just kept saying, it's not and not a big deal. This is just a cold, blah, blah, blah, blah. And eventually, they actually he actually had to leave because he would not he wouldn't get vaccinated. And he was like, I'm not doing this. And they were like, okay, well, you can't work here. He's like, bye. But they had he he was complete. I'm like, dad, I can promise you that not every sick COVID patient is in Kishocton, Ohio.
01:04:30
Speaker
And there are some that are really, really doing bad. yeah fredger There are some places where this is not going well, and it is a lot more serious c than it goes. And I think it just depends a lot on where you were geographically too. I feel like that played a role.
01:04:46
Speaker
Um, but I felt terrible. Um, I didn't mind staying home now. Yeah. Yeah. No, idea that might stand home I I worked at home. I got up in the morning, let the dogs out me and myself breakfast sat in bed with my laptop and worked that way. It was great to watch TV and work. Yeah. We did virtual. I mean, it just worked for them. I was happy when that was over, but I'm like, let's just get this done and done and over with so that we can be done with this and move on. But it was definitely a weird time. And I noticed that since then I've had the hardest time.
01:05:16
Speaker
um waking up. Like I used to be a 5am person. Just like I would wake up and train and do whatever at five and because it wouldn't just be less disruptive for everyone else's schedule. And after that I was like, I could but why?
01:05:34
Speaker
when I didn't sleep for another two hours. It really messed with my sleep schedule. I get up at four. A few people are fucking mad in the head. Well, I get out of work and the sun's still out, so it makes me happy. I'm saying that. Obviously, when I have Cora, I will be getting woke up in the middle of the night still to this day. I get woke up in the middle of the night. That's just life. So I take all opportunities to sleep when I can get them getting up but getting up at five o'clock to go to the gym and go fuck it itself.
01:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, but so we we had a just just our way of dealing with COVID you probably like this Lindsay I think we talked about this too because we had a couple of people on but we had you have a group of like 15 people that got all tied together from theme parks and we have a chat group on like Facebook Messenger.
01:06:19
Speaker
And what we used to do is Stuart would bring up Zoom. We'd all hop on Zoom at like 10, 11 at night and we just drink all night long bullshit. Like all of us talking, talking shit, just bullshitting all night long. He fell asleep a couple of times on his couch at like five in the morning for us. But yeah, that's how we did. Like once ah once a week we would do that shit. It felt like for a while, but it was really fun. Helped to get through. But you're in Florida because we were open. Like Daytona, it was just, I mean, it was like maybe a month. I was in Connecticut at that time.
01:06:48
Speaker
Oh, okay. So Florida was just wide open. He just didn't have... So I also felt bad because I'm like, people are really frustrated like everywhere. And we didn't have... I didn't have that same type of insight because we were closed for like a month and there were plenty of businesses that were still closed, but we were out and about doing pretty much whatever we wanted because Florida was just like, we're
Lifestyle Changes Post-Pandemic
01:07:09
Speaker
we're all done participating in COVID. Thanks so much. Ron was like, we're good. been It's been a nightmare, but we're all set. Thank you.
01:07:17
Speaker
We won't be playing this game further. we We've decided to it's over for us. You can keep it up there. It wasn't it wasn't super it was weird it wasn't super bad in Connecticut. It wasn't like you had to stay in. They just suggested it. But you could still go do stuff. like Places were still open. Not a lot, but some were. We would still go out and do a few things. but you know like I thought it was it was just the gyms being closed. like The things that people were lifting.
01:07:44
Speaker
I was like, who really getting creative? I was on the back porch with some, luckily I had some barbells, but it was definitely, that was a weird kind for sure. We were allowed out for an hour a day. Although I was allowed out from time to time because I do work for health trusts. So I was able to get away with it from time to time. But I got to the point where I sat in weird places in the house just to see something from a different fucking angle. It was like, holy shit.
01:08:14
Speaker
It was crazy. But I always try and look for the upside. And I got to spend an amazing amount of time with the girls that I wouldn't, especially Zoe, because she was only born during the first lockdown. And I wouldn't have got to spend those years with her because I would have been working.
01:08:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Do you know? So that was, that was, that's got to be really, well I was always really thankful when I got to be like a stay at home mom. That was one thing that I would never change is being able to say it's like not missing those milestones. Thank you, child. You can say hello. Hi. I i just i had to text her to bring me my charger because somehow I don't even know how she stole it because this was plugged in at the beginning of this.
01:09:07
Speaker
Yeah, it worked out for me. That's when I had my PE was sort of the end of it. So working at home was nice and easy for me. Just stayed in bed. I call it work from bed. And sometimes I still on Saturday mornings when my ah my lifters will text me, and I'm like, I'm working. And I'm just like, I'm in my sit up bed because mine comes up. Like give like I'm working so hard.
01:09:31
Speaker
I'm a boss bitch right now. What's up motherfucker? Look at me working so hard. I'm sorry about this. like yeah like Look at me working so hard. What a big girl I am. So real quick. unless iroppeic I didn't want to spend the whole show talking about this, but you're you're doing a you're doing a competition soon, right?
Journey into Powerlifting
01:09:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really excited. What got you into competing and how many times you competed?
01:09:55
Speaker
um I want to say I've probably done like 10 because I just did a strong man this last time and I was super total at the beginning of this year. So I guess technically that's 12, but one of them was on sanction. But I've done a lot. That's cool. And I started competing and because I kind of had the obsession with strength like With Camilla, some of that I think too is that I had a super early delivery with her and it just made me very obsessed with the idea that my body had failed me. And obviously like my body failing me meant Camilla's gonna live with that forever. like my ah She was delivered at 24 weeks, um which is just over halfway done.
01:10:37
Speaker
and i I always, like I said, I had always lifted. I had always been interested in training and it's something that I had done since high school, but it was just this like, it just reignited a complete obsession with being strong and never feeling like my body failed again.
01:10:54
Speaker
um And when she got a little bit bigger, I got into powerlifting because I kind of, I was like, this is nice. I'm getting super jacked, but like,
01:11:08
Speaker
I don't really need to be jacked. yeah yeah um i need to be I need to be strong. So but i i think I think a friend of mine mentioned powerlifting to me. and And she was a crossfitter who had just happened to be a powerlifter. And I remember also looking up why people were arching their benches because I didn't know why they were doing and and and And then it took me to a bunch of stuff about powerlifting and I was like, oh, wow, you know, literally anyone can sign up to do this. That's crazy. um I don't feel qualified, but here's my information. okay it's my money I had no idea what I was doing. I was just like, well, I'm going to show up and try.
01:11:47
Speaker
um I think I got third, but I had no rhyme or reason. I followed my program like half the time because I was so used to like bodybuilding at that time that um it didn't look like enough stuff. And I was like, this only has four exercises.
Starting a Conjugate Training Program
01:12:03
Speaker
I should probably do seven more just to be safe. Yes. Holy shit. I did. um I did 12 weeks of conjugate, the a program for me. And I had been doing like mountain dog training for like decade, like a decade or so by then. And the first day was hanging toe touches for conjugate. And I'm like fucking and I'm not doing fucking hanging toe touches.
01:12:23
Speaker
They probably, for conjugate, you probably had a one rep mac hanging toes. Not for that, not for that. For other things, yes, but not for that. That was like AMRAP, I think. What's a hanging toe touch? Where you hang and lift your feet so they touch the bar above you. So you're hanging off a bar straight and then you bring your legs up and try to touch the bar above you. so Yeah. So but response was not her response was Dave, like talking about Dave Tate, she goes, Dave's old ass can fucking do it. You're going to do it. I'm like, God damn it.
01:12:54
Speaker
I just had a toast to bar competition with one of our bigger guys at the gym and he had to get strapped. but Oh, yeah. He's like, I'm a lot heavier than you from here down. I'll have you know. That's a fair point. Yeah, that's so funny, though. I mean, I like to conjugate. It was the hardest training I've ever done in my life, like very athletic shit. And I fucked myself up doing ah box jumps. I slipped and fucking my landed on my elbow and shit like, swole up like crazy. So yeah of course, thing not lifting related. but I ran conjugate when I hired one of my hired a coach finally for powerlifting instead of just winging it after a while.
01:13:31
Speaker
And he, I think he overestimated my ability to understand what the paper was saying. Like the first time I set up chains and like the chains never touch the floor. Oh yeah, that's fun. They never touch. Yeah. He was like, he was like, well, that was certainly a squat. Yeah. I had to do, so it was a train wreck. I did banded deficits and had me doing 10 sets of singles. And I was like, this is fucking hell on earth.
01:14:01
Speaker
So I same and I was like, I think I have like eight doubles or something. oh jesus And I was like, I'm just going to do 16 in a row. And then I sent it. He was like, what the fuck was that? I was like, well, I just didn't have. chocolate He's like, yeah, but the brakes are the point makes you suffer more. You're like, fuck. Like.
01:14:23
Speaker
And then I was like, I did 16. I said eight by two. I just combined them all. He's like, fucking this tiny idiot.
Inspiring Others in Powerlifting
01:14:30
Speaker
That's awesome. Um, what do you think is the most rewarding thing you've gotten from lifting? Like, what do you really like to do when you're training and what does it taught you? Warning thing is that, cause I've been doing this for a while now and I have gotten so many people have messaged me and been like, I started powerlifting because you did.
01:14:48
Speaker
or I started powerlifting because I saw you do it. And I was like, for real? Like, that's pretty cool. It's a pretty cool feeling. Or even Strongman, oddly enough, I've only competed in Strongman once, but I think it just takes someone, like recognizing someone that looks like them or moves like them or whatever it is, um is the same age as them as a mom, like, oh, if she could do it, I could probably do it. Because that's what I did. I'm like, well, what's the worst that could happen? I can try.
01:15:18
Speaker
For sure. I think it's fun, too, to see powerlifting evolve. Like I was never I never competed in anything. I just like training a whole lot, like learning mechanics and stuff. um But I think it's awesome how like people have finally gotten a better perspective on powerlifting. Like they see these big dudes, but I'm like, you know, they're probably more athletic than you, right? Just because they're like 500 pounds. Like they can probably still maybe out jump you or out run you. Like that kind of like preconceived notion has kind of started to fade, which is kind of awesome.
Evolving Perceptions of Strength Athletes
01:15:46
Speaker
Well, I think we're fighting back against it too, because power lifters are finally starting to realize that being athletic is important. um I remember in like, when I was like 2018, when I hired my first like conjugate coach, and a lot of people would just make fun of me for like the small things that I would do, the like banded movements that I would do, um the bodybuilding, the extra bodybuilding work. I got made fun of a lot for stuff like that, and but I never stopped doing it. And now I've seen it evolve to the point where I see that all the time.
01:16:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, because it helped like you don't have to do one lift and leave, like it's important to be able to move and it's important to be athletic. And especially for like my situation, like carries carry over directly. Yeah, exactly. Like Kevin carries.
01:16:37
Speaker
like carry out, they transfer almost exactly. like It's important to be athletic and these bigger guys are starting to realize that mobility and um that type of thing is really important. It's awesome. i mean doing mountain dog stuff with John. Like I used to get weird looks for all the weird shit. I still get weird. My buddy Gabe and I train together here and we do weird stuff where we'll just try stuff. and We get an idea like, well, what, what about this mechanic and this people look at us as some people talk to us, but it's fun. Like I get to teach people a little bit, you know, but it's cool. to say I mean, the worst thing that could happen is like, Oh, well that didn't work out how we thought. and But
01:17:18
Speaker
you know never You never know how that can help someone and somebody's got to be the one that tries it. Yeah, I mean and I'm learning more about research so it's it's it's getting better as I get older too because um my body my body's breaking down like I'm getting to the age where I can't. It's just, it's just fighting injuries at this point to try and stay upright. So, um, especially when I was saying this, um, I remember I think it was on tech
Injury Prevention in Powerlifting
01:17:43
Speaker
talk. i I don't get on tech talk very often anymore because I don't like that platform because everybody just thinks that their comment is really important. And I'm like, I'm not built to read these. Sorry. Um, but I think the, uh,
01:18:00
Speaker
the amount of people like bigger guys that are staying in the sport longer because we have just more information about like injury prevention, um rehab and prehab type of movements and those sorts of things. People aren't just showing up in denim and work boots anymore to go like squat ah to go hit squat day and then not do anything else. So I think people are able to keep themselves actually lifting for a little bit longer and enjoying training and doing things you know and not breaking down quite as badly because we have the resources from those bigger guys getting beat to shit once upon a time um and and then kind of battling back from that. So it is evolving in some really awesome ways as far as power lifting. It's evolving in some really awesome ways too because people are learning from those those guys breakdowns. Yeah, that was cool for me, for John, because he was super big into longevity and stuff. So learning the mountain dog stuff, which was kind of like I don't know if you've ever done it, but it's kind of like mixing powerlifting and bodybuilding and then whatever the fuck else he finds that's weird. That hurts. You just do it. He's very methodical and stuff, but he was very into longevity. So there's a lot of like rear delt work where it's just a lot of reps for your rear delts and not a lot of weight, stuff like that. He did bands. We did chains. I did all kinds of weird movements he did.
01:19:20
Speaker
He did a leg day with Tom Platts and he put that in one of his programs. Like it it was just so much information. He was just like a sponge and him and Dave Tate like trying stuff and like putting that into 12 weeks of like him and when him and Dave were training for him to get his pro card like shit like that. Like he was such a good resource and he was like a mentor to me.
Evolution of Powerlifting and Public Respect
01:19:39
Speaker
um So that was cool. But now like he's gone. So I've been trying to delve into other stuff like Dr. Mike's kind of fun to watch too. I think his information is kind of fun.
01:19:49
Speaker
but like the powerlifting world, I have Annie still to talk to and people like that. So I think it's great that the sports are all evolving and it's getting more respect too, like all of the sports are. um i have money shining to got there I have my issues with bodybuilding nowadays with like how many pro cards they hand out and shit. And I don't like that you don't have to compete to keep your pro card status. You're just a pro for life once you get it. I think of that kind of stuff's kind of bullshit, but the,
01:20:15
Speaker
I mean, I guess I could see that like once I've earned it, is it really fair to take it away from me because I couldn't compete? like I guess I would understand that, but I don't. It's like the only sport I can think of where you can, once you're a pro, you're always a pro. You know what I mean? There's not many sports. What about strong man not to work that way? I don't know strong man works that way, actually.
01:20:37
Speaker
But I think you should have to compete and get a certain number of points to maintain your card. And I don't think you necessarily have to win all the time, but like, um, I watch premier league soccer. That's a pro league that you can get taken out of that league. If your team doesn't do well, that's professional
Bodybuilding Pro Card System Concerns
01:20:51
Speaker
sports. So that's a whole team, not even just a single person. I think I just kind of prefer the competition that way. Cause at one point, how many pros are you going to have? You know what I mean? Especially with right now, first, second, third place in your class, shit like that, like.
01:21:05
Speaker
I don't know, it doesn't seem as special as it used to in the 80s and 90s. It's still awesome. if I would agree with that. Yeah, it's still awesome. me I mean, yeah, I don't want to take that yeah achievement away from anyone. It's just not funny building is my least favorite. Like I everyone asked me like, Oh, are you gonna do a show? What are you gonna do a show?
01:21:22
Speaker
because that's how I trained forever. I just don't find enjoyment in watching bodybuilding. I don't think it's interesting. I don't want to see it. I don't want to learn it. Not because I don't have a respect for it. I have no interest in it. You're not doing anything but standing there and looking incredible, obviously. That's not what I want to participate in. I don't want to participate in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I love to watch, but I just have no interest in... Yeah. I don't have any interest in competing at all. Like I said before, I do respect bodybuilders. I do appreciate that people get the pro cards. I'm not trying to take that away from anybody. I just think it's the way the rules are and the associations are a little fucked up. I don't really like it. That's politics. And I think that's something else that we can be thankful for in powerlifting. While it does have its issues, but it's pretty like cut and dry, this was a good blister. It wasn't.
01:22:15
Speaker
Can I say something? No, go ahead. You certainly can. I have been to the gym once in my life.
Personal Gym Experiences
01:22:22
Speaker
No. Fuck you. I went on a like a stir master fucking thing. I went on a treadmill. Judy Jacobs ladder. I kind of want to see that.
01:22:41
Speaker
and that that's hard it's super hard And then I went for a swim. I liked swimming. And that was about it. It's not really for me. All this is 32 weeks of this chatty chat with this Muslim dude over here. And I'm kind of tempted to go to the gym just to see how much I can actually lift. I've no idea. It's not about how much you can lift though. He's a power lifter. Boom, you're perfect power lifting candidate. How much can I lift? I'm just interested to see because I've never done it. I just want to know how much I could actually lift because the only thing I left with any regularity is my daughter.
01:23:25
Speaker
Do you know what I mean? Well, hey, I can lift her and carry her up the town and back down the town. And it doesn't even feel I've I've carried her around the Magic Kingdom. Yeah. And it hasn't even fazed me. Do you know what I mean?
01:23:40
Speaker
Right. Cause that's so normal. You probably have so much brute strength that you don't even realize. I always say my dad is Armstrong. Cause at one time I watched him, I watched him unload a baby grand piano out of the back of a truck by himself. Just like it was no sweat. I was like, I think that was a part of like my obsession with strength. I was like, holy shit, my dad is the Hulk.
01:24:02
Speaker
But you have but but he they came down to help me move and ah to ah last June, not this past June. And I had been on and a third floor and you know I was moving from the third floor to a house, thankfully. But he looked at me at one point and he was like, this is not I'm not this the man that once unloaded a piano, Lindsay.
01:24:24
Speaker
because I tell that story a lot. um And he was winded going up and down stairs and he so he went home and he doesn't go to the gym anymore. You know, he's the he's he's an older guy now. And um so he bought a Bowflex so that he could because it was like a wake up call for him because he's like, wow, I am like, losing muscle like this used to be very easy for me. um But it was interesting to watch that. But it was ah i went not upsetting, but I was just like, wow, like,
01:24:54
Speaker
you have to keep moving, you have to do something. And he himself has admitted plenty of times. He's like, you know, I just, I'm tired. I want to go home. I want to sit down. I don't want to go to the gym. I'm fucking tired. Um, but I think there has, so there has to be that level of enjoyment
Enjoyment in Physical Movement
01:25:11
Speaker
to it too. But you know, like I moved because I love to move. And I think I'm also very obsessed with movement because I like,
01:25:19
Speaker
For a long time it was like is Camilla gonna move yeah um so it was just like this perfect dorm of like obsession with with it and also enjoying it myself and so I like to go but it's like I don't care if you don't like to go. but like I feel like as soon as people see someone who's kind of jacked, they're like, well, I don't like to go or I don't do that because I'm like, dude, I'm not judging. I don't. If I see somebody that's honestly trying to judge him, I'm like, I'm going to help you because you're here and I'm sure you're a little nervous about being here.
01:25:52
Speaker
and i But when I run into people just day to day, I feel like a lot of times like they will inexplic or they will feel ah like they need to explain or I notice it with a surrounding food surrounding food a lot. Oh, yeah. yeah um like Oh, I'm having this or yeah I can't do that because I like to eat too much. I'm like, I like to eat. i I'm not judging you. god I have to try so hard, like because of my medicine, I take hydrocortisone basically. So if anybody's ever taken corticosteroids, whatever you took it for, imagine doing it for 40 plus years. So my joints are shot. It's really hard for me to lose fat. And that's what got me in the gym in the first place. I was like 300 pounds. So I got down to like, I think my lightest ever was like 195 and I was kind of lean and I didn't like being under 200 pounds. So that ended quickly. Um,
01:26:39
Speaker
But until I had the PE, I was in pretty good shape, but like it's so hard. I have to i tell people, but thing that i so there are still some people, I'm like, yeah, I eat like five, six times
Dieting Challenges
01:26:50
Speaker
a day. They're like, oh, you snack all day? I'm like, fuck no, I wish. I'm like, these are like full on meals, like five or six times a day. And when I'm trying to cut and it's super clean, I'm like,
01:27:00
Speaker
It becomes a job after a while it's just really boring and hard and it's just becomes automatic like I don't even care about the taste so much anymore i just look forward to like one meal a week.
01:27:12
Speaker
but it's really hard. So I have to be like 110% on point when I'm trying to like cut and follow my carbs and my fucking macros and my calories and shit. So, but the other thing is too Stuart, like Lindsay was saying, like most people I've ever met, you're probably stronger than you think or even give yourself credit.
01:27:30
Speaker
Any realize because it like that type of stamina with carrying a person cuz it's a people are odd object to carry like your kids are unfortunately, they're not just like hanging on and hanging out like they're moving and you would think yeah hold on But they don't know they don't yeah It would be nice if they would try but unfortunately new just got a sack of taters and Yeah, I can remember at the start of the summer, running up through Paris with Cora because we were trying to make a train. Oh Jesus, that was crazy. I was sweating buckets. I was just like, holy shit, let's go. It's so embarrassing too because you're like,
01:28:21
Speaker
Why am I out of breath? I shouldn't be this winded. My chest is burning. We had to run for something. I don't run very often. Just a full blown run. I don't have to do that. No one's chasing me at no point. I was like, this is so embarrassing. Or sometimes I'll be, because I coach um classes in the studio here and it's a hit class and I have to demo all of them and then I get to the end of the demo and I have a mic and I'm like, I'm out of breath and this is so embarrassing because like you're supposed to be learning for me and I'm like, so that's it. Now you go. I'm going to go sit. Aren't you like really good at working out? I'm like, yeah, mind your business. It's a different workout. Different kind of workout.
01:29:13
Speaker
be winded too if you saw what I did, motherfucker. I'm really good at and just moving one thing one time, but then watch me shine. That's my moment. Still get a little windy, but not like this.
01:29:29
Speaker
home it's So funny how like it's very different like things are in the type of exercise that you choose met matters it's very different oh yeah but people just kind of lump them all in together and you're like no not this but this yeah I hope someday I find something I really enjoy but I just haven't found it yet He's like, no, thank you. Unless I'm very good at drinking. Yeah. We could make it a sport.
Humorous Take on Day Drinking
01:29:56
Speaker
Oh, oh, oh, oh. I have pub golf. I have pub golf scorecards. I'm good to go. I don't need a game to drink, my friend. I know it's already a fucking sport. Yeah. It's a sport for you naturally. Fucking. eyes Yeah. called her Jesus. Bullshit. It's a just fucking drink. Just fucking drink. We drank.
01:30:19
Speaker
to drown our sorrow on our worries so we don't think about life anymore. That's why we drink. We don't need to fucking play beer, Paul. Don't listen to him. When he was here last year and not, he was just here like what? Like a month ago now? Not even? The year before that, we were drunk at 9.30 in the morning going to film parks.
01:30:37
Speaker
That sounds very Irish to me. I don't know if that's rude to say. No, no, it's very Irish. It was him and an Englishman were with us. So we were drinking a lot. This dude that day, I only remember that day so much because I saw him the next day and he's like, I think I was drunk and sober three times yesterday. And I was like, all right. That is my least favorite thing. i am a i if so I'm a brunch girl. I love to go to brunch. I love, I love a good mimosa. I love a good brunch. But if it's not brunch, I'm not a day drinker.
01:31:05
Speaker
I don't want to get drunk during the day. I don't want to drink during the day. I go, I'm at nighttime. I go out. I'm going at night. Yeah. yeah I love day drinking. Not during the day. I love nighttime drinking. I love... I think you might just love drinking. He does. does so i don't I don't do so much day drinking when he's not here. Some, but not as much. Day drinking is good fun. We do it very rarely, but it is good fun.
01:31:29
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You know what, it's, and I remember when we get done with brunch, I'm all, I always say like, this makes so much more sense. I can still go to bed on time. but Yeah. Yeah. There's no way to lose. I still, like, I still get my bedtime. I can wake up on a reasonable time. It makes way more sense. It's just you have to be out and about when the rest of the public's going, why the fuck are they so drunk? Why are they? Yeah. Yeah.
01:31:57
Speaker
Oh, man. It's acceptable when it's brunch. I don't know why, but I'm like, well, yeah, because obviously we have mimosas. I mean, it's orange juice. We're having breakfast. yeah Yeah, it's absolutely fine. Yeah. We have a selection of beers that we like to refer to as breakfast beers when they're in town. Yeah.
01:32:13
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What qualifies as anything around 4%? Yeah, like lighter beers, like half of Isans or like lagers. Have you ever had a Bud Light? Yeah. Did you drink one? I have. I don't like them.
01:32:29
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i I have never had a hangover like when drinking Budweiser. It is absolutely fucking wrecked my brain. I hate Budweiser. I would agree with that completely. I will go to way too TMI and I have peed. I have wet my bed because of Budweiser. No other beer. it's So shitty. It's so horrible. It tastes so bad. I can drink Budweiser all day, but let me tell you what.
01:32:55
Speaker
It's not good after after I go to bed, it's not good. But I have no idea why that beer is like that, because I feel like they're heavier beers, but... no I was like, I just wondered if an Irishman had had Bud Light at his spot. No, they don't. Do they sell it here? They do sell it here. I've never, I've never drank it here. I can't remember the last time I drank it. And in fact, anytime one of my friends drinks it, I abuse them profusely. Oh, I do that normally. I do that too. I don't like driving this shit. Cause it's absolute horse shit. Although I do, I don't mind a bottle of Corona. I have Corona there. No, Corona's not bad. It's an easy drinker. You throw it down your throat, it's bang on like.
01:33:32
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land shark is i've been doing lately for my loggers and see I mean, we're 32 episodes in and we haven't got a sponsor yet. I want to be your based sponsor. but but and how great like i mean it's it to guinness its sponsor us that' be nice there's a I don't think they make them anymore, but in ah or in Orlando, there was a brewery that was doing cherry cola sours and they're fucking
Exploring Alcoholic Beverages
01:33:53
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amazing. we so I love a sour, but i ah I hate when I and full from two beers. Yeah. So that I'm like, okay, my tummy's fall. Yeah. I drink a lot of heavy beer. Now I have to drink tequila. I have to drink tequila. Oh, darn.
01:34:13
Speaker
Shoot. Well, i would drink if I drink anything other than tequila these days, a vodka, I break out fine. And then whiskey, I'm just an asshole. Oh, I like whiskey. i like i'm i'm I'm blacking out immediately. Really? And it's just I can't drink it. I'm just too good at drinking it, I've decided. I like whiskey. I'm a fan of whiskey, to be fair. Although i like I like all the food groups. The only one I can't drink. ah the The only one I can't drink is brandy or cognac. I can't be doing that. It's like instant, instant heartburn. It wipes me out. I can't, can't do it. I know I've had cognac. I just know I've never actually tasted it because we would drink we drink it in college. Yeah. um It can fuck off. A terrible idea. i yeah I rescued a keg of fireball whiskey from our friend Tom. It was in his garage. He was like, I'm going to throw that away. I'm like, thanks. I'm taking that. Bye.
01:35:10
Speaker
I wouldn't let it go to waste, but I can't drink that either. It tastes really good when you put it in a cider. It does. really It tastes really good, period. It does, but when you put it in a cider, that tastes really good. and like if They call it on their on their website if you put it in... um in the, what is it? The angry, angry tree cider. Angry orchard. Angry orchard. I can't even fucking can think anymore. If you put that in there, they call it angry balls. So now I want to do it just because. it's Nice. It tastes like apple pie. It's lovely. Yeah, it tastes just like apple pie. It's so good. Oh my gosh. I just made apple pie cupcakes yesterday. What? See, this is a daily.
01:35:46
Speaker
Yeah, but you put the apples on gratin in the cupcake, it was unbelievable. Cinnamon frosting. Fucking missing out.
Creative Food and Drink Pairings
01:35:53
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That sucks. But now I wonder how good that would have been with like to make them like rum with like a little, well, whiskey, I guess, with a little fireball in the apple. Man, that probably would have been pretty um another good. Oh, so oh that sounds like ah sounds like a good pairing though.
01:36:09
Speaker
yeah there but the the apple the the the apple pie cupcake with a little shot of fireball on the side perfection all right stubert i think we should ask the last question because i feel like i can sit here and talk for the rest of the night Yeah, I would think so. I think we're probably going to have to have you back on again. I would love to come back. The conversation flows very easily. Thank you very much for coming on. It's been awesome. It's always fun to talk to another parent who gets it from my point of view. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Celebrating Powerlifting Achievements
01:36:50
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This was fun. So thank you. And I really appreciate that. But we only have two questions. First question you've already answered. Second question is?
01:37:00
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Lindsay, what's the manliest thing you've done this week? I just downloaded 400 pounds and everyone tells me that's really nice. Okay. man um um I'll take that. I'll take that as an answer. That's great. 400 pounds. That was 400 pounds. I only speak for him units motherfucker. You know that. It's approximately 0.25 blue whale.
01:37:27
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That's 181 kilograms. Yeah. That is... she's lifted You've listed more than that, I thought. You need to like 460 something or something. 460 is my best ever. but I thought I saw that. I did it in a charity competition. We were raising money for someone, so it's actually not sanctioned. That is fucked up.
01:37:52
Speaker
That is, that is like, that is basically spit roasted me on the bar. And understand two of me up. That's what that is. Stewart, what's the most feminine you felt this week?
01:38:05
Speaker
a That seems un unfair to women. And that makes you a hateful prick. So there you go. You go fuck yourself. You go fuck yourself with your misogyny.
01:38:19
Speaker
You fucking prick. Jesus Christ. What? That's unreal. I think that was that was my probably my manliest moment of this week. you're And you you weigh less than 200 pounds, right? Yeah. I've been around 155 pounds. So that's what makes it super impressive is your body's weight ratio. That is mental. Makes it mental. Yeah. Because if I do 405 at like I'm 250 right now, it's not a big deal.
01:38:47
Speaker
but right it's It's much less impressive when a like a large man does it than when I do it, which is the the best part about training where I do because like all of the and people are so much stronger than I am, so they're just like, ugh. Yeah. Child's play. That's awesome. Yeah, but if they did the math ever, figured out what their actually weight to ratio was, you might be out lifting some of them.
01:39:14
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some they have pretty they have decent scores but yeah when people actually break it down that way. that's pretty interesting oh man so I knew I was doing something right when i when I put it on the internet and people got upset. I love that. How can people find you? You can go on Instagram or TikTok,
01:39:38
Speaker
pat whensey loves to live And that's pretty much it. Otherwise, please don't find me. Oh yeah. The number two, Lindsay loves to live. Otherwise, please hesitate to contact. All right.
Farewell to Lindsay
01:39:51
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Lindsay was awesome talking to you. Thanks for hanging out with us. Goodbye, everybody. Thanks for having me. Bye, friends. Take care. Have a good week, everyone.