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Episode 34: Brian and Jen Trick R Treat special
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This week our friendly professionals show up together to talk about beer, fear, horror movies and more.
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Halloween Special Introduction
00:00:31
Speaker
You guys ready for a Halloween special, a horror talk and stuff? I don't know what we're going to talk about yet, but we'll figure it out. like Let's do it. Hey kids, welcome to Toxic Masculinity with Ian and Stuart. This week we have Brian and Jen with us for some Halloween fun. We're going to talk about scary stuff, I think. How's everybody doing?
Exploring Beer and Drinking Culture
00:00:46
Speaker
Good. I'm alive. Yeah, Stuart, are you good? It's Friday.
00:00:55
Speaker
Yep. There you go, Stuart. Yeah. I forgot a drink. I have a diet. I have a Coke Zero. Okay. Yes. That's not as fun.
00:01:07
Speaker
ah Yeah. So I can have a pretty good one. This is a ah an American pale ale called Talking Head. Oh, that's just a good name. Yeah, yeah from the William Brothers Brewing Company in Scotland. I've never had one of their beers that I didn't like. That's awesome.
00:01:29
Speaker
And to be fair, I've never had a beer that I, you know, absolutely hate really. but like be okay you did today I did. I did today. yeah what you have on I wanted lunch. It's from a ah local brewery called Mason jar. Um, we bleep that out if you must. Um, but's funny you i no go there ah call room and so they they don't have IPAs. They have like IPLs, India pale loggers.
00:01:59
Speaker
Really? What? Yeah. And they're supposed to taste like, yeah i p it's just complete shit. Like one of my neighbors opened it back in the day. And so we went to like support our neighbors. Like, yeah, you guys are up in a brewery. Cool. This is awesome.
00:02:17
Speaker
um and I was like you're terrible and ten years later he said that i'm sure embarrassed purple wait it's so bad and i did still go yeah i mean you're still going as well i'm still i'm just confused by how do you make it a logger taste like an ale that is not yeah you don't. It's not a lot that right like it's either or it is not.
00:02:43
Speaker
ah I mean, technically, all lagers aren't really lagers, they're pilsners. Yes, they are. Right. But they poured some extra hops to to make it feel more like that. But like it's just it's just bad it's it was just bad. is sp It bad. It was the first bad beer I've had in a long time.
00:03:03
Speaker
um was like i don't i don't I don't know if I want to finish this. yeah um um um yeah It's kind of funny that he mentioned he mentioned Bud Light and we're talking about an actual craft beer. That's bullshit.
00:03:20
Speaker
That seems like a win for Einhauser-Bouche. Yeah, for once, right? I mean, I guess, what is it? though A broken clock is right twice a day or something, I guess. At least One of your favorites right there, yep.
00:03:36
Speaker
a Man, I hate Bud Light so much. I drink it one it when it's very trashy in the area and it and it matches the situation and the vibe. That's about the only time, which is like once or twice a year. I come to it. It's so bad. When you really need the vibe to flow in you. Yeah, it's really bad. Like micro wrestling in Chulioda is a good place to drink Bud Light. It's really gross.
00:04:04
Speaker
we We have a company tradition where we um usually shut down the clinic on ah Thursday. It's the first Thursday of of March madness, which now is going to make Stuart quirk an eyebrow. But thank you. is direct um man um it's it's ah It's a big deal in this part of the United States. um College basketball goals ah is ah is a really big thing. NCAA tournament is a big thing. So we closed the clinic down and all of the clinicians come have a party. um And we have Coors Light because we play beer pong all day long, even as 40 year old adult humans. if And 40 is... do have forty Yeah, 40 is a kind.
00:04:58
Speaker
And I'm struck by it. I'm like, ooh, core's light. Wow, this is is great.
00:05:05
Speaker
You know what? You know what? Like I had I had a sobering moment of after not playing flip cup for like a decade and how bad I got at it. So, you know, you really want to feel really bad about yourself. Try that instead of beer, Paul. Why do Americans need games to drink? We don't need games to drink, but it's funny to listen to other people. so we know people No I don't know. no no no Sir, we are not playing.
00:05:30
Speaker
it is that they all i have i have never there has never been a movie there has never been a tv show there has never been an american conversation that hasn't evolved let's play this game to help us play a drinking game. This is the drinking game I would like to share with all Americans. ah Kind of good Irish and or English and or both friends and just try to keep up with them when they come busy. It's not going to happen. You don't need any other activities besides that, but pub golf is fun. So Stuart, I blame the um American war for insurrection.
00:06:20
Speaker
which can happen some sometime around 1774 or 1775. For beer pong? Yeah, like so something bad happened then where Americans developed a permanent propensity for ADHD where we can, first of all, we'll brew terrible beer. to be Second of all, we it's so bad that we have to engage in other activities just to tolerate drinking it.
00:06:51
Speaker
And the tradition has continued, even though our beer has gotten a little better. I can't think of any other country in the world that requires I mean, around Oktoberfest, the Germans love a bit of an umpah band to help them drink and box some ladies. It's not even to help them drink, it's just to bring them drinks and dance to while they drink, I guess. We can get behind that, I think. Yeah, but yeah I'm good with that. It's the game thing. It's very strange. Stuart, would you do me a favor? Yeah. if i If I could humor you for a minute, would you?
00:07:28
Speaker
but you Give me your sort of like prediction on why you think Americans do this. Oh jesus shit. um that's a great choice Why do we need that? but Because I do. and And like we turn everything to games. Yeah, we do. Why? he is right to do this give Give me an outsider's perspective. I don't know. I mean, the rest of the world start drinking at about 14, 15.
00:07:58
Speaker
We're making up for a loss. Realistically, that's you know but most you would normally have your first beer or your first drink with your parents at about 15 here. That's normal. um a carvvery so with it With a Or in the house or whatever it is. or you know If you've particularly strict parents, then 18.
00:08:21
Speaker
and
00:08:24
Speaker
But maybe it's that extra couple of years where you have to entertain yourself. We just can't get shit face drunk. I just don't know. I don't know what it is. As easily. And then that carries over when you start drinking for some reason? I don't know. I don't know. I honestly can't. I cannot get my head around it. It is the weirdest thing.
00:08:50
Speaker
and I have no idea either. and oh man um maybe it's And maybe it's because you've got to the point when you're young, you do things at 15, 14, 15, when you're drinking with your friends, you do things because of peer pressure. So by the time you become ah a normal fully fled adults at around 20, 21,
00:09:13
Speaker
you have already settled into, I actually like this now, even though this weirdly bitter, horrible tasting thing is kind of, you know, strange, but because you've been doing it since you were 14, 15 with your mates, you actually like it at that point. You've learned the taste kind of like green vegetables or whatever it is. So you don't need a game to do it. But when you, a lot of users are really only starting to do it in any earnest at 21.
00:09:43
Speaker
So interesting take I can see that they need a game to help them build up the tolerance for the weird bitter tastes. Kind of like people who go to Disney just to taste fecking Beverly or whatever you call that city. oh epco yeah bemly yeah yeah beat italian drink Of course it's an Italian
Healthcare Systems: US vs. Europe
00:10:00
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drink. to Yeah, direct shot at Ian there.
00:10:02
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no do You know what I mean? kind maybe that there Maybe that's kind of where it comes from. You guys are not in the theme park world. You don't understand the Beverly stuff. i i would no yeah it's gold It's a terrible drink that for Americans, so everyone goes in there and drinks it. You know what I mean? like san It's Italian, it's kind of like and ah ah like a... It's a role, like, yeah, yeah, it's for it's for, you know, getting rid of your company, like non-alcoholic company. camppa it's like cleaning your palate kind of stuff. So he's fucking clean away off the phone. So a partif. Is that what they call it? other one Yeah.
00:10:36
Speaker
yeah Yeah, it's not as bad as everyone. I don't, people freak out. It's like, what is it? Kind of like grape fruity or something too? It's like, it's not as weird. It's just weird. It's just weird. I think they have that at the Coca-Cola Museum and it's really not good. Yeah, yes there's yeah that's me like lines zero things there' than between those but that's basically what it is at EPCOT. Yeah, they have like different flavors from around the world of that soda. They're bitter and nasty. Americans, why do you think you need games to drink? I think you just cleared it up, man. I think it's just like a way for us to make an excuse to drink things we don't like the flavor of until we get used to it. Until you get used to it. I think you're probably right. it's Especially when it comes to shots and things like that. It's just like, and how it must be something along those lines, something to force you into it. I disagree.
00:11:27
Speaker
What do you think it is? okay Respectfully. What do you think it is? I think Americans are so weirdly competitive. I think it could be both. That only competition, like like having something to compare yourself to others to at any given moment, could potentially result in the idea that this might be a great party, which is the dumbest thing ever.
00:11:56
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like yeah However, I work with a whole bunch of doctors and they all buy into this. We need to compete so that we have an excuse to go drinking versus just like we could go out any night and go drinking. We could all certainly afford it. I suppose you don't have the public culture that we have. Correct.
00:12:22
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yeah um which is We, that's a whole other conversation about, you know, well, I have a, we have a theory that that's what leads to a decent society. And ah so, cause you don't really have that pub culture. So you don't just go, should we just go for a couple of points? Well, it's not generally accepted here. It does exist. but yeah it go for
00:12:54
Speaker
you're either going out to get drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, or you're going to grab a coffee or mimosa or some shit. And then that does not happen here in my experience in the in the same way. And so it's almost like you have to create an excuse. Like we're going to make a game. That is the excuse. And it could be the game, but right. It could be an event ah like Super Bowl or I mean, March Madness or whatever. I actually think you're both correct. I think that it starts as one. Like the competition thing is what gets people drinking because they're competitive. But then it's like becomes like a natural thing and you just keep doing it over and over in life. But also I'm more of the person of like, if I find a good brewery, I'd be like, let's just go hang out and drink. Like there's food there. We just do whatever. Just hang out. But I think you're just secretly one of us in. I think that's what it is. No, no. The more I talk to you guys and the more I find out like dark humor and inappropriate things and stuff like that. You're actually European. Apparently. I started picking up some of their some of their phrases. It's really not good. I catch myself saying the one that really threw me off is the one day I said I'm off home and rookie was like, you don't say that. I'm like, no, we don't say that. That's your fucking fault, dude. The one that breaks me out the most that you don't say is Fortnite.
00:14:10
Speaker
Yeah, people don't know what that is here either. What the fuck? We think of the Epic Games. Yeah, everyone thinks of the game. 14, 15 days here we're talking about. Exactly. It's two weeks. It's two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. Most people don't know that in America. I've got a fortnight off. I've got a fortnight's holiday. Sir, we only speak in freedom units here. Thank you. Wait. I'm sorry.
00:14:33
Speaker
What? You have a fortnight off? Yeah. Fortnite off. What the actual fuck is that? Dude, ask him. Oh, okay. Real quick, Stuart. How many days of vacation do you get? How many days of vacation do I get a year? Yeah. How many days of vacation do you get a year? You have a job that gives you two weeks off consecutively. I am mandated by the government that I have 28 days off a year.
00:15:00
Speaker
personally yeah I personally get days off of you. Some jobs, especially in ah high stress jobs ah that call them high stress job like banking and fucking things like that. got shit uming doctors or something Doctors or lawyers or barristers or all those, they are mandated. They have to take a two week break, at least two week break every year in one period, two weeks off. What? No, no. here Hold on. Hold on. Watch this. Watch this, Brian. Even though we talked about about this before, Stuart, what is your mortgage right now and your on your house? um Roughly how big is your house?
00:15:46
Speaker
i I don't know, 1100 square feet. Yeah. And what's your mortgage payment? 638 pounds. So like 750 bucks. Yeah. Yay, America.
00:16:00
Speaker
Cool. And how much is your healthcare when you actually go to the doctor? Nothing. oh but So there we go. It's paid for by our our taxes. And our our tax on our our taxes and national insurance on our wages equates to about 22%. Oh, wait, wait, real quick. Last thing, and then we can move on to horror movies too. Stuart, what is your homeowner's insurance for a year? What does that cost you? Oh, well, actually, it went up this year. Oh, yeah? How much? It did, yeah. yeah It was 522 pounds.
00:16:39
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for the year. For those that can't see Brian just walked away.
00:16:46
Speaker
That's building on contents obviously. That's enough to cover rebuilding your entire house. Rebuilding the house up to two million pounds, yeah. So you could rebuild a house and you could charge two million pounds for a new house. Up to two million pounds. Jesus. So Brian didn't hear that, did you?
00:17:04
Speaker
No, he didn't. I had a moment. where His 500 something pounds of homeowners insurance covers up to two million dollars to rebuild this house and and the contents. But that sounds really that sounds really cool. It sounds really nice. I want people to move to some places in Ireland. and I'm just saying. and Yeah, I don't understand what is going on over there. please kind It's so weird. trick figure what but what's It's so fun because like everyone has I don't think enough people have enough European friends to get some perspective. Do know what the thing is? a lot of our um It's the same as im from your point of view, you probably understand that ah everyone heard the story ah everyone knows someone with
00:17:54
Speaker
and ah Allergies where they have to have an EpiPen. I know this guy was an extra special kind of shit cunt, right? But the guy that put the price of EpiPens up in America to, what was it? $800, an EpiPen? Yeah, it was $922 or something like that. So my daughter has ah peanut allergy. She has two EpiPens that stay with her at all points.
00:18:22
Speaker
and two that stay in school, in case she's forgotten the two that are on her and there's any problems. So she has four upper pants and we don't pay anything for them. Wow. Nobody has four upper pants. Nope. This is my point. You're kind of going, hold on a minute. This is a child, different, okay, adults maybe. Oh, okay. Look after your own shit.
00:18:43
Speaker
but This is a child. I don't understand. And the reason we don't, and our our NHS are not paying anywhere near what user paying for your EpiPen, so to speak. Because the government goes, no, no. The maximum, actually it's a European-wide thing. the The European government goes, no, no. The maximum we will pay you're allowed to charge is this. That's it. And that's it. And they do that with all drugs.
00:19:14
Speaker
Yay, America. Why? I love my country, but seriously. That's what I count on. I want to walk away again. What the fuck are you- What the absolute fuck are you voting people for? That's what I can't get my head around. and If the government are to step in and go- No, no. Stop being a char of- Dude, this is this is a much bigger conversation than who we vote for. This is all about people that pay for the No, no, I mean, the I don't mean sides or any of that. we are on our sides I mean, actually democracy and having a government in its form is to look after the people. Like I said, they're not well phone they're bribed here. Well, you've got so many people's hands in the pot. Yes. No, absolutely. You've got you've got people in politics the people and then politicians, right? But then you've got the drug companies, the manufacturers that make
00:20:08
Speaker
the drugs. yeah You have the insurance companies, you have the the sort of money holders for who is basically deciding whether you've you know how much you're going to pay for it. There's so many people with their hands in the pot and it's just money. like they're like Everyone takes their pinch of the money. How does anyone...
00:20:33
Speaker
Take their small child and lay them down And goes one day, little Betty You're gonna grow up to be just like your dad I make money off the suffering of other people And it's like, who, who the fuck does that? I do for a living. no no but you help I mean, people that go, no, i need you know what? we suffering like we We're making these tablets. We're making these tablets. We're making each tablet at a profit. For let's say five cents and we're going to charge
00:21:16
Speaker
$922 a dose. Then the guy that created insulin, didn't he didn't he give away the patent? Yes. Yeah. So that's why insulin... you should if you car aar seatbelts gaveway the vaccine too if If car been invented in America and they weren't, they were invented in Sweden by Volvo. Yep, they were. ah There'd be a lot of dead people.
00:21:38
Speaker
ah her because he's gone. I've given that away. They give that away for free. They're like, this is a good idea. Go away for free. I'm going to see lives because America. And on that note, yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm in America right now. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love you. I just don't understand why your government just doesn't step in and go, hold on a minute. I just bring out this shit out because surely somebody who said so.
00:22:07
Speaker
actually steps in and does that, will get voted and stay in office for the rest of time. Okay, this is a really big discussion, like I said before, Stuart, you and I can have it another time. It's not as simple as it might seem to you, but it is really interesting to get a perspective from outside the country periodically. I know you say it's not simple, but I mean, it literally works everywhere else.
00:22:29
Speaker
So this is the thing, this is the thing. The thing is, is that, you know. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sir. What I'm saying is, is that the red tape that we've put, that we've built for ourselves because politicians can vote for their own income and their own rules is the problem. So, I mean, this is a much bigger conversation than just who we vote. And corporations are classed as people in America as well. Yes.
00:22:56
Speaker
Yes. Anyway. Anyway, so this is our Halloween
Halloween Traditions and Scary Experiences
00:23:02
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<unk> on wait episode. I mean, we already did some horror right there. So that's fun. So as everyone's sitting in their homes, thinking about their harrowing future,
00:23:14
Speaker
of no health care and terrified in their seats terrified in case something should befall them accidentally or other when they have to pay for something that cost more than five hundred dollars yeah.
00:23:26
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a How is how is what i want to know is so i watch horror movies year round right yeah and i watched even more and i watched my favorites when it's halloween time.
00:23:40
Speaker
Yes. What are your traditions? And I do think it's interesting too. Just a quick little side that the Jack-O-Lantern, for those who don't know, comes from Stewart's country. Yes. Halloween comes from my country. Yes, it does. Well, in part, but yes, it does. yeah Well, but actual Halloween comes from my country. The the the the
00:24:04
Speaker
Trick or treating thing comes from use. Here's one for you. When I was a kid, we didn't have pumpkins. We've seen them on TV, but we didn't have them. Fuck you. The Americans are the reason why it's pumpkins though. yeah other It was other gourds. We used to hollow out a turnip. Yeah, it used to be turnips. It's turnips. How does him do that? That's how thelis on the jack-o-lantern started was a turnip, not a pumpkin. Americans with americans pumpkinized it. With great struggle. I just cannot imagine just summoning the manual dexterity.
00:24:45
Speaker
turn up like mean can be pretty big I can I can barely send a text message and and go there like i'll be honest that a hollow like up there is a lot more terrify wait um jackatortern not artistic enough ah to okay I really want to enjoy it you can get some big turn ups but then Americans got here and we're like we don't have those let's use pumpkins Makes sense. Pumpkins look cool. I do like the pumpkin thing. I love doing the pumpkin thing with my children. It is one of those. We do it every year and it's it's kind of good fun. and But yeah, when I was a kid, it was turnips.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yep. So what do you guys do for tradition in your house? I know Jen likes horror movies. We know Brian does not watch horror movies. i he he is i got struggle the same reaction I struggle with it. I love Halloween. um And part of what I love about Halloween and part of our tradition is we will get dressed up anyway every year. And I don't care how old my kids are.
00:25:45
Speaker
Right. Like they, they're sort of in the the United States, there's a like sort of traditional idea that you like stop trick or treating about the time you get to high school. And I disagree with that entirely. like Okay. Um, and, and I think to me, like we would like
00:26:04
Speaker
in a story you guys are in the seeing ages as Jen and I, and like, we would never have had the term cosplay sort of in our youth, but write the idea that you could like dress up and be someone else. And, and kinda to me, it was always let your freak flag fly. Like really be something you always wanted to be without judgment.
00:26:32
Speaker
um is the greatest tradition of Halloween ever. The second greatest thing is almond joy in the freezer. I don't know about that, but okay. so it's in that one um Your kids go trick-or-treating, you take their almond joy, you put it in the freezer. They don't like it anyway. They're all about Reese's Pieces or whatever. they and That's what I'm all about.
00:26:58
Speaker
but i i love I love the idea of Halloween as like not not only a place that you can get a little macabre, Which to me, like celebrating the darkness of ah life is is kind of cool, which i I never, I don't think I really fully appreciated that. Like I always loved Halloween, but I hated horror movies. And so and until someone forced me to watch horror movies, I didn't i didn't get the value of darkness in that way. Like, like oh okay, blood and guts and and violence and demons and horror could be fun.
00:27:39
Speaker
I was like, no, no, I just want to dress up with somebody else. That seems cool. So when did you decide that blood and guts and gore was fun? ah Yesterday. yeah It's that damn ah socially socially acceptable time that you can dress up.
00:27:58
Speaker
and and and and and go a bit mad and it is kind of fun. I do like that. It feels like the, ah quote unquote, adulting rules are kind of relaxed a little bit for some folks. like my In my neighborhood in Connecticut, there's a cul-de-sac we live on and everybody would just go sit in the middle of the cul-de-sac because it was grass in the middle there. Everybody would set up a tent, there'd be like warm hot cider or something else for the adult strings for the kids and they can't everybody would do their candy there.
00:28:26
Speaker
So that's how that worked in that small little street I lived on in Connecticut. So that was always fun because there's always a dog out there drinking and hanging out and yeah kids coming by and people would still decorate their house to see them watch the kids. So it's pretty cool. I mean, that's some things I've seen people do. I like people, my friend Cass, she's been on the show, her uncle like goes all out with like doing like a haunted house in his yard and stuff for the kids to go through. We have some neighbors that do that.
00:28:53
Speaker
It's really cool. It's really, it's a neat time and it's definitely, I feel like when I was a kid, when I was a kid, I feel like it was very much a kid thing, but now it's it almost just as much an adult thing. There's so much suffering you know yeah so much stuff for adults to do now too. Like we have HHN down here in Orlando and SeaWorld does an event and like there's a so really scary place down here. There's a couple of really, really scary places.
00:29:18
Speaker
I mean, there's always like, everyone's got like that terror trail thing in like every state. I swear there's like a terror trail in every state. We're going to come for this when we don't invite like four or five hurricanes okay in in listen two months. We start in September. brother time when we start We start Halloween in September down here in Florida. um And I watched Cass and NaeNae go through houses together, terrified together. And it was the funniest shit I've ever seen in my entire life. That was good. every yeah I want to see that every year now. You're you're not going to be disappointed with my reactions. Just add you to the two of them. We'll just make three of them. There's really controlling it. The only difference is I think I will be.
00:30:03
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intentionally restrained because I don't want to injure someone else. Oh, you'll be fine. Yeah, you think that, but no, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. you'd be fine but but why um So people do... Okay.
00:30:16
Speaker
i didn't really I'm a bit like you, Brian. As a kid, I watched a horror movie, scurred the shit out of me, and I was like, these are not for me. What was it?
00:30:30
Speaker
Nightmare on Elm Street. Of course it was. Oh, yeah. Nightmares. It's got to get thin sleep for years. And so I was like, I'm not into horror movies at all. Don't like them. Not having them. Fuck this shit. And that stayed until a good portion of my adulthood. And then through the Producers Club for the podcast, me and Ian met the Universal Podcast. And the Producers Club,
00:30:57
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ah
00:31:00
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I was like, I don't really like horror movies, but I really like the idea of going to Halloween Horror Nights. I hadn't been at this point. And somebody goes, so what horror movies have you seen? So I had to actually think about it. And then other people were putting their lists up and I went, hold on. Jaws is a horror movie. And I didn't think Jaws was a horror movie. Apparently it is. Love Jaws. It's one of my favorite films.
00:31:26
Speaker
I didn't really, I didn't never really thought of The Shining as a horror movie, but apparently it is and because it's i ah find more of a psychological thriller. But I guess, in retrospect, looking at it, it's a horror movie. Turns out I've actually seen quite a lot of horror movies that my brain had just went, fuck that. He's like, no, it's not a horror Denial, the denial, denial, denial. Yeah, denial, denial, denial. But now, if they're in the cinema, I go and see them. I absolutely love it. I get ah an exhilarating rush of, God, you are. And that that that fright.
00:32:00
Speaker
Really but um increases my adrenaline and it's i find it really fun which i never thought i would be able to do from. a ah psychological point of view. Why the fuck do we do that to ourselves? i stuwar I'm so glad you described that because I had the same experience with Jen like last month where every day. but was't know we We went to the movies though and i love I always love going to the movies. So my my dad growing up owned a video store, which will be lost on many people here.
00:32:39
Speaker
But I just, I just grew up with the movies, um, except horror movies, which traumatized the shit of me. Like I would watch Jaws and then not sleep for a week or watch Poltergeist and not sleep for two months. Um, right. And, and, in and Jen and I were like, let's, let's go out on a date night or whatever we you want to go see. And we're like, there's a little indie cinema. Let's go see strange darling. Oh,
00:33:04
Speaker
And it's i see a serial killer horror movie that flips the serial killer horror movie on its head. And it's completely gory and terrifying for all the reasons you don't think. And it was so like like sort the thing you're describing is like, instead of feeling terrified, I felt excited about it. I was like, Oh, not only am I here with my partner who's going to love seeing a horror movie, but like,
00:33:34
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I'm excited to be scared by this. And to your point, why why why do we do that? like what it What is it that challenges ourselves about that? like but we We feel like we need to be emotionally challenged in that way. well i just What's that? you laugh through so I But no, no, no, no. The laughter's going to because you're denying your fear there. you know I'm not denying my fear at all. I think they're fun. And I laugh through them. They don't scare me, typically. There's very few movies that have ever scared me.
00:34:09
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Yeah, but you know that you know that laugh that I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's weird though, because I actually I actually find comfort in him. And it's interesting that people ah who don't enjoy horror movies miss out on the whole allegory side of some of them. Some of them are just gorefest. You just watch them because, you know, it's gorefest. It's not reality. You know, it's not going to be. But I mean, like, Terrifier movies are great. There's all this like new like I haven't seen the third one yet. I hear it's really good.
00:34:36
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It's very like a supernatural kind of thing since the second one. I'm curious to see the new one now because Art the Clown is amazing. um But I mean, there's a lot that are like like there is literally a somewhat of a memento style horror movie out there that people have seen. And if you haven't seen Triangle, you should see it and don't watch a trailer. No, not seen it. Don't ever watch a trailer. It is actually an Australian movie that I think it's I think her name of the actress is Melissa George.
00:35:06
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It's a really good movie. It's very memento. like It'll leave you trying to figure stuff out. all right It's really good. It's really, really good. But there are all kinds of stuff. It's not just in movies. Do you know what I mean? so Obviously, there was scurry books and scurry tales and ah scurry poetry. and I'm sure there was ah the occasional creepy cave painting. Well, the interesting part too, what's scary has become it's changed, like things that we think are kind of yeah it's so scary anymore. you know so Yeah. But why why why do humans have this need to scour themselves or feel fear?
00:35:49
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so i Brian asked me probably a year ago, hey, what is the scariest horror movie you've ever seen? Like the most scared you've been watching a movie. And it, I thought about it for a minute and then I realized I can't think of one that I've been scared watching. You and me, they're giggling through them and I'm like,
00:36:13
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I don't necessarily get goal. I mean, that there's, and it is but I mean, I'll do it, but like, I, I really, I mean, there are things that scare me, don't get me wrong, but it's more, too um, it's more like, um, the upcoming election kind of thing or, um,
00:36:35
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um or, you know,
00:36:41
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reading reading some horrible news article about something that i mean that scares me. yeah Watching something fictional no matter how boring or mind bending or whatever, it's just not scary. It's very it's very engaging. and ah ah you know I love to see kind of like what's going to happen next and what's the twist. and Yeah. But you still get a jump scare, right?
00:37:07
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No. There's bound to be something that makes you go. No. I can say if you watch enough of it you know when they're coming. You know when they're coming. Like you can sense it. These are all dead inside. Not you Brian. I like you Brian. The two of us are dead. Thank you. Thank you for saying what I would never have permission to say. You and I are dead inside. You are not dead inside. And I'm all fair right in on hell. You're two of my favorite humans.
00:37:35
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um There is a thing where like you people don't react to that, which is crazy to me because I do still i am anticipating it. I'm like waiting for the jump scare and when it happens, he gets I'm so terrified by it too. Yeah. But if you know it's coming, like i don't I don't understand that though. It doesn't matter if I know it's coming. If you know it's coming, how does it scare you? I don't understand this behavior. Have you guys? Because some of those reactions are involuntary.
00:38:04
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Tell me it's like it's like if you if you are surprised by something. Yes, you have an involuntary, but I mean, I can't say I'm a big surprise. There's probably like some of this where I'm like, oh, but like not, you know, like that scene in Midsomer, you know, when it hits the rock, but where where it's like, oh, but that's not a jump scare. That's more like, oh, yeah, that's nasty. You know, in that movie when there's a blood eagle, I actually cheer because I'm like, hey, blood eagle.
00:38:33
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um no cheering for that they like yeah blood eagle ah so So this week, um in semi-preparation for talking about this, I introduced Brian to the Scream Queens series.
00:38:50
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oh nice um What is it? Ryan Murphy and Brad Belcher. Yeah. Yeah. Just like from 2015. We're not going to watch the second season. I didn't think it was good. But the first season was phenomenal. And it's kind of horror, but it's it's really funny too. It's a dark comedy kind of. And you've really enjoyed that. Like if you fell asleep in one of the episodes, and we had to go back and watch.
00:39:15
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and again but love some um I loved it. It was shot at my alma mater, which was awesome, which I didn't realize until two episodes in. I was like, this college looks really beautiful. he's like which is like i was like business still like it not um and it's gothic and it's really pretty and then i googled it and i was like oh shit that was that was the college i went to like how embarrassing is that you don't even realize you're in school um but but it's um it's mean girls meets um scream meets friday the 13th
00:39:56
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like Like it's a perfect triangle. Have you seen it? Of those? I haven't watched it, you know. No. It's on Hulu. OK. In America. You know, great you know't you know what Brian, I think what I enjoy is ah Tucker and Dale versus Evil. I have not seen that. I haven't seen it.
00:40:12
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it's ah It's a horror comedy, but it's it's got Alan Tudyk in it. It's fucking amazing. He's he's my favorite because he's so funny. Firefly is my yeah favorite TV show ever. I have the pop figure of Wash Hobern. You should definitely watch that then because it's really funny. It's a horror it's a horror comedy though.
00:40:31
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Did also made me watch the shining this week which i will admit
Psychological Impact of Horror Films
00:40:35
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i've never seen the show i was watching it on my own and he came and sat down and watch i've never seen watching the shining before because i have avoided stewart i know. It's like.
00:40:50
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That was fucking terrifying. That was the fucking scariest movie I've ever seen. It's so amazing. It's so good. it is As a fellow fan, it's one of those ones you really should have watched. Correct. Yes. I understand. and And my shame is palpable in that. And like I had never done it. And if Jen wasn't doing it, I never would have done it on my own. Interesting.
00:41:20
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And I sat there and watched it in the psychological horror of watching someone lose their goddamn mind, particularly someone that you trust and depend on.
00:41:34
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Like we, like we have these dependable relationships in the world that we can trust. Like, Hey, I know Ian, if I go hang out with him, it's going to be fine.
00:41:45
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And then two weeks in, it's right. This guy doesn't get jumpscared by anything. Maybe there's something wrong with him, probably but it just, it it really hit me deeply. Like how.
00:42:04
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humans can, can really lose their shit. And even thinking in my profession, like I would expect that, but I'm, I'm so used to like trying to shape young minds. Like we're moving forward instead of like you are clearly moving backwards. And not only are you moving backwards, but it's going to endanger everyone around you and being able to see myself as that person.
00:42:29
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of like, I'm the dad, I'm the provider, um even though I'm not, Jen is clearly the breadwinner in this family. But like, let's say, let's say I was a strong male provider. Losing your shit and starting. all right we're letting go let it the peace let go then go Just he said that. i So I'm going to give you, you two as professionals, some things to watch. I'm going to give you two to watch that you may not have seen besides triangle. Have you seen the gift with Joel Edgerton and Jason Bateman?
00:43:07
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Yes, that's a great one. I've watched that a couple times. So good. Have you seen The Invitation, the smaller movie? Yeah. Oh God, that's a great one too. Watch that one a couple times as well. He should watch those for sure. Those are fucking mind sucks. Oh, I've got them in my head. There they are. You've actually watched both of them with me before. Did you watch the menu? The one the menu? Yeah. Did do you guys see the menu?
00:43:28
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all star fuck but it didn't Is it really I need to go back and watch that one it's so man amazing It's really good. You have to you definitely have to get through it you like if you're unaware of it and you start watching it you don't even know that it's Like weird just like what the fuck is going on? and and who has yeah and anya taylor joy joy Yeah Yeah yeah Which is was in the vivic, as I like to call it. And a bunch of other. And he wanted to watch that was kind of newer. Yeah, I watched. I watched hereditary. I watched. What was the 24 one that that came after that? There's tons of them.
00:44:11
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It's summer yeah yeah i watched that that was awful so good to have three times eight times to get through that god damn movie that smile and and so je was good too i love the horror Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Brian hates the horror. He's learning to like it. He's learning to like the horror. As a rule, I mean, he he can't even, he he's very guarded with his hand in front of his face right now even having this conversation. You're insightful, man. You should do my job. a Yes, I like it. so
00:44:52
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d And we're we're being very cavalier about our love of horror here. And I know how my feelings were when I, at at the period of through my life, when I hated horror and having friends that loved it did it. Does it make you feel less of a manly man that you are so terrified of the moving pictures?
00:45:18
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do yeah Yes and no. um I know intellectually I shouldn't feel less of a man, but I will tell you that feeling scared makes me feel weak and feeling weak makes me feel emasculated.
00:45:35
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I can see that. you know and I think back to one of the first visible sort of horror movies I could experience, which is I remember, you know like I said, my dad owned a video store and yeah he would get the the movies in advance. They would send him previews to figure out how many copies he wanted to buy to put out to rent. That'd be so good. It was the first Poltergeist movie.
00:45:59
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And I remember watching that in ah and i I don't think I actually slept for three weeks after that. And a and I felt like the most weak, feeble, scared person. And and it's it's really weird because I feel like some films, like like when Jenna watched some films and she's really good about like sort of keeping the like exposed to this, because she loves it so much. She calls it horror NOS, which is stands it in our business for not otherwise specified, which is like last you have depression NOS or yeah anxiety NOS. Like we can't classify it. This is like a random horror movie. Okay. i'm the I'm in for it.
00:46:43
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So i like ladies in their love of true crime. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So a slasher film, I feel like, okay, I can, yeah like this is a human and as another human, I'm a big athletic dude. Like if if this were to really go, like my mind goes there. Like if this were really to happen, this was real life.
00:47:09
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could I do that, which does not happen when I watch Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. I'm like, this is not real life. Oh, fuck. but I could definitely be Aragorn if I'm watching Lord of the Rings. I disagree. I'm a thousand percent. Anyway, like go ahead. I'm sorry. I interrupted your point. Very dangerous over her short distances, Ian. Yeah.
00:47:32
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but and so the the The slasher films don't bother me as much, but then you get to supernatural. And there was something so supernatural about that full first Poltergeist film like the Indian burial ground and like the lore and the ritual and like the kind of esoteric Like weird. Yeah, it's not because you were a kid and you didn't you didn't know any better. I am sure that is that was a part of it, but I said it's still it still bothers me that I feel so afraid of it. It's weird, though, that you're more afraid of supernatural things than things that could actually happen. And yes, that's correct. I'm afraid of the fantasy, but rather than the reality.
00:48:20
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But the thing is too so like take texas chainsaw massacres based on a real serial killer yep yeahp very loosely the guy it's based on is not a big scary guy who. That's it. that's and Yeah. ed gain That's the thing. It's not a big scary guy. It's a he looked like a frail old guy and he was very fucked in the head. And very much he made murder return people for real. But that's the thing. It's like that doesn't bother you. But the things that are like hand hit the people's skin to leather. Yes. I mean, who hasn't who hasn't wanted to have like a belt of nipples or something? I was going to say, who hasn't? Who hasn't wanted a jacket?
00:48:58
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Jesus. It's so weird because he made all that stuff, but I think the weirdest part is the x-rays of him with the fucking needles shoved into his gooch and stuff. Yeah. That is how weird is shit. But it's funny to me that that the more realistic thing, and even as gory as Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ed Gein is scarier in my opinion, but that stuff is okay with you. like You can rationalize a dude that's like 6'6", about to kick your ass and like hit you with a machete, but like some supernatural thing freaks you the fuck out.
00:49:30
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and away from the door a little bit. I'll be like, oh, no. Thank you. But the supernatural stuff is what keeps me up at night. The idea that there's something outside of our rational world that I cannot logically predict. I can predict human behavior. Can you though? Fairly well. Or I think I can. Can you though? No, probably not. We try. We try. I might have made a whole so career based on it, but like and the the answer the honest answer is no, I can't. um But like there's something if's like if something violates the law of what is expected,
00:50:11
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That is truly what is scary to me. like it is It is scary because it is outside of the ah bounds of what I've come to expect and understand. And I get i get really freaked out by that. I i don't believe in anything. I mean, supernatural shit, gods, monsters, all of that fucking hooky bollocks.
00:50:34
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But I get scared of those films as well. Just Banshees. He only likes me. Well, no, we had this conversation. I i honestly grew up when I was growing up. I honestly thought that Banshees were real. And if you heard their scream, you were fucking dead. And that was it. But I was just childhood. Yeah. Good times. But kids in Ireland. yeah I still get terrified of the um fantastical horrors the same as you, Brian. That is true. and and But i you know I like a good jump scare and all that kind of stuff, but it is weird that as a rational mind, which you clearly have,
00:51:24
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logical thinking can take someone through the steps of their emotions and different things like that, that actually those, it's those fantastical elements that you find scary when logically in your brain, you should go, this is rubbish. This could never happen. There's, right you know a miss it's it's impossible. it's That's exactly right. It's, it's a totally irrational fear, which I think is really grounding in the nature of fear, which fear by itself is a completely natural evolutionary reaction that is there to keep you alive. And also, every one of us has irrational fears.
00:52:09
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Yes. Right. And in the the quickest response we have to people when they're afraid is like, don't worry about that versus like a guy, the kid that comes in, he's like, I'm afraid space aliens are going to capture me or I'm afraid of zombies. They're going to eat me. And it's so tempting to say to them, like, they might don't worry about that. That's not real.
00:52:31
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versus like the reality that the fear is real, the source of the fear is not, but the ah the deep-seated emotional reaction is completely legitimate, even if the source of it is utterly ridiculous.
00:52:48
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But those fears, having those fears come out, because I've seen it in my kids growing up, where they're like, oh my God, monsters under the bed, or oh my God, zombies, or oh my God, you know all those things. but So there must there obviously is an evolutionary trait there that is important to have to basically not blindly walk through life like your head's full of fucking lollipops. Go on, everything's fine. Oh, an axe.
00:53:14
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death by mistake but still yeah but so um it turned around a look at something else that a fireman jumped out with an axe and i guess that way people get such a uh a fun time out of going to horror events and watching horror movies and things like that but because it reminds you of that kind of Well, it's weird to sort of dopamine hit like for sure. Okay. Obviously, but I did that. I watched that. That was really scary. And I did that. but So like, I think there's just a lot of like, I don't know. I've experienced this recently, like later in life. I think there was also fun in like challenging yourself to do hard things.
00:54:03
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And if this is a hard thing to me, like this is i like to Ian and Jen, this is like shrug. Like what's the big deal? It's fun. I like it to me. I'm like, I have to put effort into this. Like I'm going to have to turn away at certain points and I might have to like put my head under the blanket and I'm going to like, like,
00:54:21
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curl up real hard like like i'm gonna squeeze you but so cast cast likes horror movies is a lot but cast watches horror movies like this this this will make you both like oh all of you laugh actually she puts her hood up so she wears a hoodie when she watches horror movies and i've seen her do this in the theater when she gets scared she starts slinking back in the chair and pulling the strings so the hood goes like this basis That seems more terrifying. She starts slinking every chair and pulling the strings and her brother and I start laughing our asses off, but she loves horror movies. But that that seems more scary because you're losing your peripheral vision. she shows talking and She's She is very aware it's a movie and she's just talking in to get away from me. Yeah. um But it's funny, too, that's up there on the screen, right? Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's funny, too, because there's lots of different horrors out there, like the conjuring films are
00:55:08
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their horror movies but they are legit well-made films and then like Jaws is a legit well-made film which wouldn't be the same without mechanical problems which is a whole thing. everybody Yeah but it's like and that's that's the filmmaking style because I mean legit well me I mean look I mean it's a good script it looks good it was the fucking one that but wait wait this this is my point too but those also exist in have you guys ever seen a racer head?
00:55:34
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Oh, yeah. I've seen that. Yes. That is a horror movie, but it's a horror movie because you're like, what the fuck am I watching the whole time? I mean, it's like literally the deepest, darkest caverns of like David Lynch's brain just being like yeah all everything together at once. Freak the fuck out now. Like that is literally one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen, in my opinion. It's just so fucked up. Like, what am I watching? I'm going into this radiator with this thing with puffy cheeks dancing and singing it like what the fuck is happening?
00:56:04
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yeah It is. I like those. I like it, too. But I'm saying like that is also a kind of horror, like just like some kind of visceral effect that happens to you because it's actually just creeping you the fuck out by watching it.
00:56:17
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I was going to say the Blur Witch Project there. Yeah, that started that whole thing. Those movies don't scare me, though. No, but the first time I can remember the first time I seen that in the cinema, not knowing what the fuck was going on and right not fucking hell. Genuinely, it was it was footage, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And in in the early days of the Internet, we believed that like they they sold it to us. Yeah. Well, they hid the cast.
00:56:47
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And like I remember seeing that day one in the theater. It was the first horror movie I'd ever seen truly in the theater. That was a great summer of movies. It was a great summer of movies. i think I think my girlfriend at the time was five foot one, and I hid behind her the entire movie.
00:57:09
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And like the scene in the tent where the the kid's hands start touching the outside of the tent. And you know, it's ah iconic because the movie is remembered for this, but she's like, got snot coming out of her nose and she's so believably scared. And I was like, I don't, I don't think I slept outdoors the next five years after that. Yeah. Well, it's funny too, because if you think about like the origins of horror, it's like people are trying to explain things away.
00:57:37
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like trying to come up with explanations for things, like a dead body that looks like it's teeth, it's nails, and it's hair kept growing, and it looks like it's fat. It must be a vampire. Like they they're kind of trying to explain things away. Jack-o'-lantern wandering. ah Yeah, Jack-o'-of-the-lantern or Tricky Jack or however you want to talk about him. ah They think some of that comes from the the gas that comes up, like the swamp gas that lights up and stuff, because you see his lantern walking around forever. Like they try to explain things with it, even though it scared them.
00:58:06
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yeah And then there's there's things that are unexplainable like there's all kinds of stuff where they just try to come up with explanations for stuff and it's just carried on and now like some people face their fears like Brian and Brian's doing now and Stewart does do or has done has done and Jen and I just don't seem to give a fuck I i still here's one for you ti off i still won't watch a horror movie on my own Really? I'm with you. It's not going to be on my playlist for movies. I'll watch Jaws. It's not a horror movie. But I couldn't watch a brand new, I've never seen this before horror movie on my own, because then I would have to sleep in my house with the fucking lights on. And I can't be doing that as a full grown adult. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely not. It's not relatable. It's just not relatable.
00:58:55
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awful if i can get sleep in the middle of the night i from home alone whatever's like might let me find a good horror movie Yeah, I keep myself I keep my house pretty dark I'll just watch movies about like sometimes I just sit on the couch be like I'm tired I'm just gonna try to find a watch watch a horror movie comfort
00:59:16
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I know. I know if I watch cinema and watch the horror movie and then I'm coming home and my house is empty because the girls aren't here that night and I know I'm going to bed. I'm like, if I can look around and go, I'll need to take my coat off the door because if I wake up at four in the morning and look at that, that's going to be. Fucking terrifying. You know what I mean? It's like, oh man, I'm sorry. I'm not on my own either. So I got a, I got a story to tell you here. So, um, I was, I was home this freshman year of, of college, which was the only time I came home from college. Um, after that I stayed there. Um, but I was home and I was playing video games until like one o'clock in the morning or something.
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um and I don't know what I was playing. It but it wasn't something terribly scary, but doom or dissent or something like that. um And i I used to have terrible vision before I had eye surgery. like I was like two points away from being legally blind um with my contact prescription. like I was like negative 7.5 or something on my contact prescription. um And so I finished up gaming went into the bathroom, took out my contacts, um opened the door to the bathroom and all I could see was this white apparition in front of me and it looked like a little girl. And my first reaction was I just charged it head first
01:00:50
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Dude, I slammed right, right into the hutch that my sister's church dress was hanging from drying out.
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01:01:10
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I was like, I'm going to fucking fight this thing. It's a kid. I was like, are you OK? She's like shaking me. I'm on the floor. Have you learned nothing from harmonies that you're scared of? I don't know. You're scared of paranormal stuff. And the one time you see a ghost that you know, you can't hit your instinct is to charge. I mean, yeah, I'm going to say, see, see, you're getting scared, but Jen and I are learning survival skills.
01:01:40
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This, this is exactly, this is illustrative of exactly the problem with humanity. Let me ask Jen this, what do you think the most interesting horror movie is? Like as far as mind bending or super scary or like, what do you think? What do you, what is the most interesting one to watch? I mean, you know, I think this is, uh, this is dulled with the, the, the 25 years that have passed shockingly, but the sixth sense was, uh, it's a good one. Yeah. You know, that was,
01:02:08
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It's not a horror movie though, is it? Well, it, I see dead people is, is, is a horror, but you watch it, but let me finish it. You watch it and it's like, that was not a horror movie. That was like a heartbreaking. Yeah. You know, um, but it was, it was, it was a shock, you know, the end was a shock. Um, it was really, really well done. Um,
01:02:37
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Um, the acting was fantastic. ah And I don't know. I mean, I think that that one is.
01:02:49
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I can see that it was very unique and creative. It was the first one in a long time that spun something on its head. Yeah, I mean, M.H. Amalan has been chasing that fucking dragon ever since. Yeah, exactly. I think I was thinking that. I'm like, yeah, we've never really seen that. He's still done some pretty good movies. He does good movies, but everyone's expecting it now because it's him. Yeah. There's some twist coming. Yeah. It's one of those things. If you know who the director is,
01:03:19
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You're going to go, uh, yeah. Yeah. Let's kind of that thing. Can I ask, here's a question, right? Jen, what's, what's better watching a horror movie that you love, right? That's absolutely terrifying. Even in your cold, dead heart or watching Brian watch a horror movie.
01:03:49
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that you know he's fucking terrified of. I'm going to say Brian, because then you get two horror movies at once. So that's going to leave you for a fun evening at home tonight. yeah Wow, you're squeezing really tight. I'm scared right now.
01:04:12
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um It's really fun. It's really fun to to watch him. yeah What's your favorite thing to watch, Brian? um I will say that having gotten a a proper education in so far horror, even though i'm I'm still catching up, like I said, I watched The Shining for the first time fully. I'd seen snippets of it before. You also watched Misery. um I'd seen parts of Misery before I watched all of Misery start to finish, but The Haunting on Hill House was... The show? by far as Yeah, the show. we yeah The first time I watched it, I i could not sleep the entire week.
01:04:54
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that I was watching it. like And Jen, I would watch a couple episodes a week and like ah like it kept me psychologically and emotionally completely preoccupied and then turned it all on my head. yeah and the later i thought I thought this was a this was a horror movie.
01:05:14
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Right. So this is like about monsters in a haunted house and scary things. And it turned out to be like right in my wheelhouse, which I it had that sixth sense feel where we're actually more heartbreaking than it was both, though, because it kind of was our movie. There's ghosts all over that movie. If you are the show, if you watch the show, they're everywhere all everywhere, everywhere. everywhere, but they're all looking for something that is not nefarious or terrifying. Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's not horror, in my opinion. it's still no No, no, no, no, I agree. It's horror, but it's ah but the scary factor, I feel like it's kind of pulled out of it when you start to develop some empathy for these ghosts.
01:05:56
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you know Yeah, you start to understand what's going on in the house exactly. and And I think that messed me up even more is because I was braced for it. Like Jen is like, we're going to watch this. And I was like, okay, I'm going to summon all my manly courage to watch this. And then what I ended up feeling at the end of the day was like a deep sorrow and empathy for these kids. And I was like,
01:06:22
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I'm completely heartbroken. Especially the young lady who was the baby girl. It's like I told you behind the stages of grief and all that stuff. is what they're yeah the kids yeah It lines up even if it wasn't. That's exactly right. I walked through that and I didn't realize that it was this is was happening. I couldn't analyze it because I was so paralyzed by my fear of it.
01:06:43
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It's also interesting because the other layer of it now that I'm thinking about it is kind of like it starts off super scary because you see the broken neck lady and all that, the bent neck lady or whatever it was called um in the show. And it's terrifying at first. You see all this stuff. It's scary. But as the show goes on, as things get explained, you get less scared.
01:07:00
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It's like the way horror stories actually work. Wonder who got less scared. Maybe maybe maybe you had that experience. Mine was slightly different than that. Yeah, but it's like it's like I was talking about. like Once you learn like where the stories are coming from, like the ghosts in the background and stuff are less scary because like they might just show up, but then you understand why kind of why they're there. They're not there to hurt anybody for the most part It took me about three, three full watches to get to a place where it no longer scared me. Like I still had ah an emotional empathic in impact from it, but I like to where I wasn't scared. Even my second time watching it, there were times where like, you know, you just
01:07:40
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I can just imagine myself as a kid hiding under the bed and like feeling this presence or like hearing something that i can't explain. In not having the emotional wherewithal to completely cope with that and so what is my reaction it's it's pure terror.
01:08:01
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like frainggan's great I think that's why I find them scary still. and actually they do actually scott I still watch them and I still enjoy it, but I still find them absolutely terrifying. And I think that's because in my head I go back to when I was a kid and being absolutely terrified of Freddy fucking Kruger.
01:08:21
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To be honest, though, if you if you think about Freddy Krueger, he is pretty fucking scary. I think that can only be wrong. I've watched the film many times since then now, and it is concept damn funny. You were funny. But ah yeah, as a kid, it like like terrified me. Have you guys seen them? Have you speaking of that kind of movie? Have you guys seen Hatchet? No, Hatchet is a movie that is it's um it's It's a throwback to 80s stalker, kind of like Jason. And in fact, the dude the most famous dude that plays Jason plays Hatchet, right? But they also turn things and mess with the trope, so it's kind of funny sometimes. And it's really well done, but it feels like you're watching an 80s slasher kind of like stalking kind of movie. They're really fun. It's a really fun movie. There's a whole series of them. The first one is my favorite though.
01:09:18
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It's what I really liked about Strange Darling, if you guys haven't seen it. The first time Jen and I have really gone to see it true. We tried one before, but I don't think you felt well or something like we loved it. Oh, it was one of the Halloween movies. I fell asleep. I didn't feel well. I literally fell asleep watching it. I'm like, here we go. But it was the first time since the Blair Witch Project I had seen a horror movie in the theater and it was so good and it was so good because it turned it was gory and bloody and I had to turn away a whole bunch of times. I was like, nope. So but it turned the whole trope on its head, which was unbelievably cool. Curious, Brian, has the fear of watching horror movies turned you away from other movies that are just dark like Pan's Labyrinth or something like that? Have you ever seen that?
01:10:08
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No, I love Pan's Labyrinth and I am actually really magnetized by dark films. I think there's a combination of like the scary aspect of horror, like it's going to try to surprise me versus where Pan's Labyrinth will like, you know, like the Nietzschean doctoral will slowly reveal the the the plot to me or something. guermo um And the gore, you know. yeah yeah yeahma to an yeahultor
01:10:42
Speaker
So you're not afraid. So it didn't scare you off enough to not watch movies that just have darkness in them, like like GDP movies or something like that. But you I was reserved. There's some scars about it in that movie, but like. Willing to tolerate it, even though I probably wouldn't sleep well that night.
01:11:04
Speaker
What do you, and so have you guys seen, I brought this up to Stewart, I think. It's not really a horror and like, oh it's like an action kind of gore movie. Have you seen Upgrade? Is that the one? On yes, we have. Is that the, who's that, Tom Hardy? um No, there's nobody that's famous. Wait, no, no, no, no. Upgrade is, so, and also did you did you guys watch The Invisible Man? Did you watch The New Invisible Man? No. No. Do you haven't watched The New Invisible Man?
01:11:32
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um the the one that came out a couple of years ago. No, I don't know. The last and the last I was the last invisible man I seen was the one with him. No, you guys said it was shit. No, no, no. You guys need to see. I this I need to I need to press you both. All of you to watch it soon. It's by the guy. It was written by Lee Whannell, who wrote Saw and he updated. He updated the freakiness.
01:11:58
Speaker
to a modern time in a really, really, I'm gonna watch it after this now, Jesus, in a really, really intelligent way. So it has to do with abuse and stuff with this woman and this dude that she's living with who's really wealthy and stuff, but you need to watch it. But Lee Whannell also did upgrade, and upgrade is this dude, just to give you the quick version, he gets paralyzed into the ship. Oh yeah, I can see that. Upgrade? I have seen it, and he does look like a modern. Oh, no, the invisible man, sorry.
01:12:27
Speaker
The new one? Yeah, the new one's really good. yeah with ah What's Her Face? From... mom From... ah Elizabeth Moss. Yeah, Elizabeth Moss. And then Oliver Jackson. coach What's Her Face? From The Matrix. No, no, not from The Matrix. No, from... It's Carrie Anne Moss. Yeah, it's the show. What's Her Face? The Handmade Tale. From The Handmade Tale. And then... What's Her Face?
01:12:48
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Yeah, an upgrade. This dude gets like paralyzed basically. And he goes to this like really intelligent dude and has a chip put in his but and like in his spine that like helps him control his body. But it talks to him. It's really, it's really good. good let me like It's kind of like a gory action kind of movie. And that there's there's like twists and turns in it a little bit. But it's not seen that one. But it's Lee went out. He's also doing the Wolfman movie that's coming out. So he's I really like his movies. He does a lot of the stuff with them.
01:13:19
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with, uh, what's his face that did the conjuring movies. He wrote some of those too. So have we settled from a psychological point of view? Why do we do this to ourselves? It's different for everybody because Jen and I are really affected. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think, you know, there, but there's a reason that this exists and they're popular and yeah you know, this is, um, a lot of people enjoy it for whatever reason, or they enjoy being scared or,
01:13:47
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enjoy something about it that's not scary. And trust me, I do know what it's like to be scared. It's not like I'm lacking that emotion, but it's just not- It is strange, right?
01:14:00
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no But if someone to come to you you go and the four of us yeah but if someone was if someone was to come to you and go... really into watching people get chopped up and ah getting people chased around and absolutely terrified. I find it humorous. I laugh at it. It does sound and kind of weird.
01:14:25
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from an objective point of view. If you know they're talking about a movie or a show or something, actually, that's a really kind of like... Still, if you talk it out in actual words, it sounds kind of fucking weird. I hear some weird shit in my line of work.
01:14:43
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i think I think some people, like like Brian said, it's it's fun for him to challenge himself to do things that make him nervous or scared. So in him in his case, he's challenging himself and he finds finds some kind of reward in that.
01:14:55
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I don't know what it is about horror movies that are somewhat calming to me. Like if I'm in the mood to watch one, I don't really get scared, but they are actually kind of calming to me in some cases. No, I have watched horror series maybe a couple of this season, like I was saying, and it's just like, um I think it's a really well done movie. If I like have to step out for a minute, I've already seen it, so I know what happens. Have you seen The Sentinel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't watched in a while.
01:15:20
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I it's on it just came on one of the streaming services. That's a really good one that I actually Text me your networks. I'll watch it again. I have to watch it again. Um It's also interesting that as a genre horror is so divvied up, including other genres. like There's so many sub-genres, like psychological thrillers and like comedy horror, like everything. There's drama. Shawn of the Dead, great movie. Yeah, Shawn of the Dead's great. Tucker and Dale vs Evil is amazing for a comedy horror. like Evil Dead movies are amazing for comedy horrors.
01:15:55
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It's got like every it's one genre that can also have divisions of all of the other genres mixed in i mean literally historical there's all kinds of stuff and it's not common for like action to have that kind of mixed in like there are comedy action and stuff but you never see.
01:16:11
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You don't see a lot of other like things mixed in. It happens, but not as much as horror. And it's cool because horror, even like, even like B kind of movies in horror are kind of like enjoyed by people, which is not something you see a lot in like other genres. Right. It's just such a forgiving thing. I don't know. you People going to see the room an awful lot for some weird fucking. They do. What genre is the room? Shit.
01:16:36
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get a long high barg ah partly I did hear that apparently the original it was supposed to end up that he was a vampire some shit Yeah. Cause that is normally people's first movie is a horror. It's, it's just, it's a thing like, like people in, when they're making the, like I work in schools with max and normally they're making some kind of short film and 99.9% of the time they're, we're making a horror movie. I'm like, Oh, surprise me.
Horror Genre Exploration: Sci-Fi and Realism
01:17:06
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it's check the mac horror movie so and Well, I don't know. It's just, this is a weirdo thing. Um,
01:17:13
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I think that's a fair point, though, that like um like I have a couple like B sci-fi films or fantasy films that I kind of love because I saw them as a kid. But like when Jen will put on horror and OS, it's pretty much watchable.
01:17:34
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even if it's terrible. but Even like when we were younger though, for how long we're how long did you see like horror and sci-fi kind of mixed as one genre like when in like a video store, something to be like sci-fi and horror would be like right next to each other. yeah Aliens would be a ah great example of that, which is, you know again, one of the the films that Stuart was saying, like I didn't think of it as horror at the time because I was like, oh, this is sci-fi.
01:17:58
Speaker
What about Event Horizon? Oh, Event Horizon is definitely horror. Event Horizon, yeah. Terrifying. Properly terrifying. Sunshine is kind of a horror movie too, because it fucks with your head a lot, if you haven't seen that, with ah Killian Murphy's in that.
01:18:13
Speaker
So it was psychological though, isn't it? It is, but I think psychological thrillers are horror movies because they fuck with your head. Like if they're really a thriller, it's fucking with your head. Do you find them more scary than standard horrors? I find them more interesting though. Yeah, I'm drawn to those more myself. That would make sense given your chosen field.
01:18:33
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I mean, you're not wrong. I don't I think because in my mind, like being having your head twisted and turned like that is actually kind of like scared and like something else happening because like that could be some shit that somebody could do to you like fuck or or somebody, you know, or yeah. Yeah. yeah So I i think every yeah that's it's what the shining bothered me so much as it felt like such a real slip from reality. And not only that, I could see myself in that not not that we ever do that, but just like I could be in that position or that role and then like all of a sudden. We will never spend a winter on a mountain. And a massive empty creepy hotel. Fuck no. Yeah, but what about what about like Jacob's Ladder? You guys remember that? That was like a huge deal when it came out. That's a fucked up movie, too. And that is also a psychological thriller, like PTSD and shit mixed into it. Like that stuff is also scary. You should see that movie, dude. It's really good. Just because it's Halloween.
Halloween Candy Favorites and Festivities
01:19:31
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What's your favorite Halloween candy?
01:19:34
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Jen. Ooh. Um, uh, fifth Avenue bars. Brian. I'm enjoying, but you have to put it in the freezer. to put his sal on me No, no. Reese's peanut butter cups. Reese's peanut butter cups. Okay. also great That would be my second in the freezer. We can't have those, uh, peanut butter allergy central right here. Uh, for me, it's, uh, my wams. Oh yeah.
01:20:02
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I don't, I don't know what that is. What does that do? I remember this from a teeny kid, but I don't. It's like a squishy candy. Amazing. They're full of full of the flavor. They're lovely. Do you put them in the freezer? No. Why does it bring taste? He wants to put every candy in the freezer. There's squashes and squishies. You want them to be squoshy and squishy. You don't want to eat an ice cube. But he's one of those guys after something terrified him. He put the VHS in the freezer, right?
01:20:32
Speaker
yeah um I want it to last longer. Or Stewart or my D and&D dice. like yeah as well <unk> go there is out There is these amazing candies that Rookie and Stewart will bring to me from England that you can find on Amazon. They're a little pricey, but there's the Squashies, which I like a lot. yeah And those are raspberry, I think is the original flavor. Those are the ones I usually, they usually bring me. Gold bars, which are fucking like crack. you're So good. And there's no corn, there's no like corn syrup. Everything's got real sugar, so they taste a little better. They don't feel as heavy for some reason. It might be a mental thing for me, but.
01:21:08
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And then ah what are the what are they the jammy Dodgers? Those things are fucking incredible. They're like so funny. Cookies with Jimmy Dodger. They're like a biscuit from the fucking late 1800s. So good. So good. That's so good. They're like cookies with like je like jelly or jam. Oh, it's so fucking good. Oh, they're so fucking good. They're so good. If you can find those Amazon folks, they're a little expensive. But I i think the gold bars, especially, are fucking worth it. Those are a straight fucking crack.
01:21:35
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Holy. Yeah. So everybody's after the talk of the candy, everybody's Halloween costume this year is going to be wearing some extra white pants or trousers as we would call them. So you can eat all the sweets you want to have an awesome Halloween festive period. Nice. Halloween. Thank you guys. It was really fun. All right. It's been really good. Thanks guys. Love it. Thank you very much. Have a great week everyone. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye.