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How To Properly Conclude A Series - ANDOR Season 2 Finale
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🔥 In this episode of This Is The Wayseekers, we dive deep into the jaw-dropping 3-part finale of Andor Season 2, breaking down every emotional beat, political nuance, and character arc that brought this iconic Star Wars story to a close. We recorded this podcast within the hour of watching the finale, so expect raw reactions, hot takes, and genuine reflection on what might be the best Star Wars storytelling of our generation.
🎙️ Topics Discussed:
- - Luthen Rael’s tragic and heroic final moments 🔥
- - The complex relationships between Luthen, Kleya, and Lonni
- - The Empire’s betrayal of Dedra Meero and her shocking fate on Narkina 5
- - The full-circle connection to Rogue One and how it recontextualizes Cassian’s journey
- - The controversial reveal of Cassian’s child 👶
- - Krennic’s savage interactions, Deedra’s girlboss downfall, and the ISB's spiral
- - Andor’s real-world political parallels, critiques of fascism, and the hope that lives on through rebellion
🌌 We also explore the deeper meanings behind Nemik’s manifesto, the symbolism in the final montage, and how Andor may have just rewritten the rules of what Star Wars can be—all while asking: What’s next for these characters, and will Lucasfilm build on this Rogue One pocket of storytelling?
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Delayed Reactions to Andor Finale
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello! Before we get into this, we just want to acknowledge we're definitely late on this one. The jaw-dropping finale of Andor season 2 released over two weeks ago, and here we are, only now, releasing our discussion.
00:00:12
Speaker
Life got in the way, and editing unfortunately had to take a back seat. If you've been listening to our show though, you know that we covered the first three arcs of the season right on time, discussing each aspect right after watching the episodes for the first time, and these episodes were no different.
00:00:27
Speaker
We recorded this episode of the podcast the night the finale dropped, less than an hour after watching it for the first time. Raw reactions, fresh emotions, all captured right after that final scene reveals that Cassian's legacy lives on through his own child.
00:00:42
Speaker
And the reason we still wanted to share it is simple, Andor is a once in a generation Star Wars project. We may never see something like this again, and this conversation felt way too important to skip out on. We both really enjoyed the finale, but does it hold up as the payoff to season 2's brilliance and the show as a whole?
00:00:58
Speaker
That's what we're digging into today. So thanks for
Bittersweet Endings in Star Wars
00:01:01
Speaker
sticking with us. And as always, this is The Way.
00:01:10
Speaker
Welcome back to This Is The Way Seekers, a podcast for Star Wars fans by Star Wars fans. And I'd say it's a pretty bittersweet time to be a Star Wars fan. On one hand, the last three years of Star Wars has been leading to this moment.
00:01:25
Speaker
Honestly, the last almost 10 years, nine years since Rogue One came out, if you really think about it. On the other side of things, that's a whole era that's coming to an end here. This little and or Rogue One pocket of the Star Wars universe.
00:01:38
Speaker
It's over. It ended today with the finale. Scotty, how are you feeling? Do you feel satisfied? I've been feeling weird today um because i I feel like there hasn't been a show that I've been this invested in that's ended since probably Rebels.
00:01:54
Speaker
um So it's been a long time for me. So it's bittersweet, like you mentioned, like, I'm happy, like that we have this conclusion and that not only can we go watch Rogue One now and really like finish the story. um Right.
00:02:07
Speaker
But it's like, I'm gonna miss these characters so much. I don't feel like I got enough time with them. I know. that's That's always the thing that sucks when you love a story so much. it always It's never going to feel like enough, but you know we can rewatch it a hundred times over. And like you said, watch Rogue One, which I cannot wait to do the second we finish recording tonight. um Because I couldn't do it right away, but I literally wanted to so bad because...
00:02:31
Speaker
There were all those connections. They literally did set up Rogue One like they said they were going to all those years ago. But I want to ask you about the actual conclusion itself as an arc in this season of Andor.
00:02:43
Speaker
Do you feel satisfied with how it all came to an end? Honestly, i feel like the best way to describe it, and I think it was you who touched on this last week that last week felt more like a finale.
00:02:54
Speaker
um And I feel like this week felt
Complex Relationships: Luthan and Clea
00:02:57
Speaker
a little bit like an epilogue. ah Yeah, it was very interesting because it we definitely started off um with maybe the first episode and then like half of the second episode definitely felt like it was still a continuation.
00:03:11
Speaker
Then everything else kind of felt like an epilogue where we caught up with all of our characters But I think it was satisfying, though i didn't cry. So i I saw lots of people were crying and sobbing online. And I was like, and i wasn't crying. I wasn't that sad. Yeah, I wasn't either. i don't know if I was, you know, I want to preface this by saying I'm not in any way disappointed by the finale. But I will say that as an arc of season two, think it was my least favorite.
00:03:41
Speaker
But that's because the other three arcs were genuinely like the best Star Wars I've ever seen, especially like the Gorman massacre or the the premiere of, you know, like Lita's wedding and everything. I thought that those were so good.
00:03:54
Speaker
So I don't know if it was just like too hard to beat in my mind, but I don't know. I was satisfied with everything. And then like. We know that Rogue One is the ultimate end of this entire show, but... a true finale.
00:04:07
Speaker
Yeah, but something just felt off to me. I don't know. It almost felt like a different show, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know. The other arcs all felt...
00:04:18
Speaker
I guess more put together where this arc, it felt like the first episode was like a standalone almost,
Luthan's Role in the Rebellion
00:04:25
Speaker
which isn't a bad thing. And obviously it wasn't a standalone because it led into episode two with Cassian, you know, yeah answering the call and and making his way to what he thought was Luthan. But I don't know. I just, I guess I didn't enjoy this arc as much as the others, but again,
00:04:42
Speaker
That's in no way saying I'm disappointed because as you'll see by the end of this discussion, I still fucking loved it. I still think Andor is like the best Star Wars project ever. And I'm so sad that it's all over, but it's okay. We can relive it by talking about it right now. Are you ready?
00:04:59
Speaker
I'm ready. Let's get into it. Awesome. So let's start with that first episode. Like I said, it did almost feel like a little bit of a standalone. I think that's mostly because it just focused on Luthan and Clea, really.
00:05:10
Speaker
They really dove way deeper into that relationship that they have, that very complicated relationship, and just,
Dedra vs. Axis: Power and Loyalty
00:05:18
Speaker
you know, Clea grappling with having to pretty much...
00:05:21
Speaker
kill Luthan or take him off life support I think this is on my mind from my recent video I did but it reminded me of like where we got the answers to the acolyte like right before it ended and I feel like we got these answers to this it almost felt like it was a little too late to be diving into Luthan and Klaia's backstory I kind of wish it happened sooner um i mean we can go back and like it'll recontextualize their relationship prior to but it was like well this is kind of odd that we're getting this right now I'm glad that we got it because one of the things I've complained about is that I'm like, why is Clea in this series? Why is she important?
00:05:57
Speaker
She's just like Luthan's assistant. But now we know that they have a much more complicated past. And literally you you bringing up she had to take him off life support. I mean, that's such a real thing that people have to do for their loved ones is make that really hard decision whether or not.
00:06:11
Speaker
to literally pull the plug. And I know that that was really hard for her. And I wanted to cry. um but I just it made me realize I'm not that emotionally connected to either of them.
00:06:23
Speaker
But I did really like getting to see more about both of them because they've both kind of been mysteries the whole time. We've just known them for the singular thing that they're doing, which is Luthans, you know, pocket of the rebellion.
00:06:37
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. And I liked how complicated that relationship was. I mean, I feel like we've been seeing that throughout the entire series of like yeah how you can tell that they like somewhat enjoy being in each other's presence. But then there's also like ah you're kind of forced to to be in each other's presence as well.
00:06:57
Speaker
There's moments where they blow up on each other. There's moments where they're smiling together, like when they joked about half or how they should have killed Krennic. um So that was so interesting to explore with the whole angle of her having to take him off life support, because I think part of her is like, oh my gosh, he saved me all those years ago. And, you know, he he took me under his care. he's He's shown me so much. He sacrificed so much for me in this rebellion.
00:07:25
Speaker
On the other side of things, he is also from the army that put her in that position that made
Rebellion's Internal Conflicts
00:07:30
Speaker
her an orphan. And so there is that little sense of like, hatred i guess for him um that i think made it made it possible for her to take him off life support but that's the thing it's so complicated because she seems to like take him off without hesitation but then it's afterwards when she's like kisses him on the forehead and it's like oh my gosh she just realizes like the weight of that entire thing yeah but well that's that's what their entire relationship in these flashbacks led up to was clea not having to second guess before making that final decision and pulling the plug like i mentioned literally um yeah and so in that sense i'm glad that we did get to see it because it added much more weight to that situation
00:08:16
Speaker
Yeah. And it shows that, you know, you'd assume that Clea learned from Luthien 100% of the way. And that's very much true. But they both learn from each other. Like we see that scene on Naboo, which is officially confirmed by StarWars.com. I know that you must have been excited for that to happen. I paused, looked at the background, did a little scan, put it on my notes. I said, OMG, they're on Naboo.
00:08:42
Speaker
Right. Not to harp on this, but not only is it Naboo, but it's also the exact location from a deleted scene from the Phantom Menace. um It's some sort of castle. I can't remember the name of it. I'll put it in there in the editing.
00:08:56
Speaker
Oh, that I didn't know. Yeah. the The scene didn't end up in the Phantom Menace, but it's the exact same location that they went and filmed on before. love Who knew we were going to go back to Naboo in Andor, of all things? But you've been saying that they need to go back to Naboo at least since we started this podcast, probably before that, too.
00:09:16
Speaker
um So you finally got your wish. I guess. Right. and Now I want more. Yes. But we we see in that scene that she is learning from Luthan, like what happens to innocent bystanders when rebellion takes place.
00:09:33
Speaker
But then we also see him learn from her to be more direct, to take control of the situation, like when they're bargaining there. So it's very much ah they learned from each other.
00:09:44
Speaker
And I think that's what makes their dynamic so much more interesting. Definitely. And it it once again, Andor's just a show about really complicated relationships. And I'm glad that we got got a full picture of this complicated relationship.
00:09:59
Speaker
It was kind like the last one that we didn't know a lot about. So I'm glad that we got it and makes me like clay a little bit more. Yeah, 100%. And another complicated relationship that was explored at the beginning of this episode is Lonnie and Luthin.
00:10:15
Speaker
Luthin being that liar, as he says to Clea, he's like, I do lie, so get used to it. yeah Lying to Lonnie saying, oh yeah, we'll take you to Yavin, but you need to give you this information.
00:10:26
Speaker
That
Cassian's Legacy and New Revelations
00:10:27
Speaker
scene is so interesting because Lonnie's kind of holding, you know, the fact that he's... Yeah, exactly. And that's the biggest mistake you can make with Luthan Rail. I mean, we saw what happened to Takeoma when he tried the same thing.
00:10:41
Speaker
So knew when that happened, I was like, oh my God, he's going to kill him. And that's the that's the ultimate end. that i I believed him at first.
00:10:51
Speaker
I believed Luthan. I guess I'm an idiot. And I was like, Luthan's going to go to Yavin too. And now i mean I don't know why I thought there was going to be a happy ending. I mean, that's that's probably what they want wanted you know the audience to believe. But I think when when you know he was saying that he he doesn't want to be part of the the empire anymore or part of Luthan's rebellion at all, that... well that's you know yeah Yeah, and he knew that if he was caught, that Lonnie would 100% put his family first, which I think anyone would, but at the same time, that's not a sacrifice that the leader of the rebellion is willing to make. like it's
Mon Mothma and Rebellion Politics
00:11:32
Speaker
Luthan Rail is constantly in that state of, you know that meme where it's like, <unk>re you're a train conductor, and there's two people on one side of the track, and there's 100 people on the other side of the track. It's headed towards the 100. Do you pull the lever to...
00:11:47
Speaker
you know, to sacrifice those two people or do you let a hundred people die? And that is the constant state of Luthan rail. And I think that that's why it's so cool that these episodes actually highlighted that they kind of gave Luthan his credit because yeah we see later in the episodes, all the, you know, leaders of the rebellion are like, fuck this guy. And it's like, yeah,
00:12:08
Speaker
hold on you're here because of him yeah he's a fucked up guy that you know will kill the father of ah a newborn kid well guess not newborn at this point he's probably like four years old yeah four or five at but you know it was something that needed to happen for this rebellion to take place so can you really you know hate on the guy Yeah, I'm I love that Cassian stood up for Luthien at the end of it, and he literally yells in the leader's faces like without him, we wouldn't even be here, which.
00:12:45
Speaker
Yeah, Luthien really got his flowers, this arc um Yeah, which is kind of a shame that he died in the first episode. But like, I knew it was going to happen. That scene, like I said, in that scene that I mentioned last week where Luthan looks a little sad and there was the steam in front of him.
00:13:02
Speaker
Now we know that was when he was melting or destroying the comms in the back of the shop. And no wonder he looked depressed because i literally was like, he's going to have to do something to sacrifice himself. Yeah.
00:13:14
Speaker
Like yeah that's what this is all leading towards. And then that brings us to the other complicated relationship of dead Romero and access finally coming face to face.
00:13:25
Speaker
Did you think that that was like, it was all happening right then and there? Yeah, because after Lani's conversation of him being like, it's happening right now, I wanted to believe that Dedra was just like stopping by.
00:13:38
Speaker
But as soon as she
Future Star Wars: Spinoffs and Speculations
00:13:39
Speaker
pulled out the Imperial Starpath unit from you know arc one of season one, i was like, oh shit, oh shit. And it was so funny, Dedra having that entire speech planned for Luthan, and he just did not give a fuck.
00:13:53
Speaker
He was like, and you really think we're scared of you? Like... I wrote down the quote that he said he he literally tells her there's a whole galaxy out there waiting to disgust you.
00:14:04
Speaker
And I'm just like, Oh my God, he's so sassy talking about a diva off. Like, uh, Luthen definitely won this one. That was literally so interesting.
00:14:15
Speaker
Stabbed himself with that knife. Um, what does he say? What does he sacrifice? Everything. Although I do think that Luthan Rail should have been a little more smart about it and tried to make the the wound a little more impactful, I guess. you know i No chance of saving him. Have you tried stabbing yourself recently?
00:14:36
Speaker
no not really. but It's a little different when it somebody else does it, I would imagine, than inflicting it on yourself. That's true. That's true. But it was, you know, obviously he was not, he didn't want to be an asset out there that that knew all this information because we do know that the Empire's interrogation tactics are pretty fucked up and would have probably been successful. So yeah, at least Luthan is consistent. He realized like, oh shit, now I'm the asset that needs to be killed.
00:15:07
Speaker
So he's not just killing random people. And I think, like I said, I think he knew it in the back of his head all along, which is why he was like, no, Clea, I have to do this. You go. You here's the message. Like, you need to let the rebellion know. And I think Clay knew it in the back of her head, too, which is why she was so hesitant.
00:15:26
Speaker
But that was. Yeah, this first episode was ah definitely yeah had a lot of tension and had me on the edge of my seat. Now, now that was probably the only one out of this arc but like there was a lot of great tension in this episode that still felt very in line with like the series itself yeah a hundred percent and I think Deidre I think Deidre honestly had the best ending of all the characters in this show I think her ending fits her entire journey so perfect because if you think about it where did she start off she was
00:16:03
Speaker
a girl boss trying to climb the ladder in the empire. And the men constantly were just pushing her down and down and down. And she just continued to to go and go and go and and become even more of a fascist. And she gave everything to the empire. She sacrificed her relationships. She sacrificed um her her morals. you know just She wanted to become a leader. She loved being in charge of things.
00:16:31
Speaker
She sacrificed her entire being for an empire that ultimately pit all of the blame on her in the end. And they all turned against her in the end because at the end of the day, the empire that she was supporting was literally made to oppress people like her. So no matter what she gave to the empire, no matter what she sacrificed for it, doesn't matter. And she learned her lesson and now she's on Narkeena 5.
00:16:59
Speaker
so for women, Narcina five for women.
00:17:05
Speaker
i I was a little confused at first when I saw her in the uniform. I was like, I don't remember women on Narcina five. And then it showed like another like feminine looking person in the background. i was like, Oh, okay. She's in the women's prison. I guess Narcina Narcina six, maybe.
00:17:20
Speaker
And she's in the version of Narkina that is post everything that happened with Kino Loy and Cassian. So lockdown. Yeah. It's, it's almost, it's probably going to be like going to the airport after like nine 11. Like it's just all, everything is
Impact of Andor on Star Wars Quality
00:17:35
Speaker
so much more secure. Everything has changed. There's,
00:17:38
Speaker
There's probably nothing for her. They're probably not even allowed to talk to each other in this version of the Narkeena prison. Yeah. um With that, I think another fun thing to point out is the Easter egg about the hospital.
00:17:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Lina So. Yeah. High Republic reference. High Chancellor. we love to see that. I did not know, but I saw somebody decoded the Arabesh online. And that's such a fun reference. I feel like we've talked about with Tony Gilroy definitely in season two was pulling some more deeper references or maybe not Tony Gilroy himself, but whoever was putting these references and we were getting some more deep cuts this season, which was really nice to see.
00:18:19
Speaker
And in general, I loved the hospital felt so realistic. And then, you know, at one point, Clay turns a corner and there's someone in a back to tank. And I was like, yeah, I love that.
00:18:30
Speaker
It's so quirky. It's very Star Wars. Yeah. yeah Andor is so interesting because then like you see those Star Wars elements, but then there's also, you know, we see the owner of the hospital come in. like So it's also very grounded and real as well. I love i love how they mix it all together.
00:18:47
Speaker
Me too. And that's something I'm going to miss because I don't just the fact that they are on location and like scouted out locations in the world to go and film even just for Coruscant and like other series don't do that.
00:19:02
Speaker
And that's something that I'm definitely going to miss going forward. I want to go back to something you said earlier about episode or the first episode being the only one that had um tension or made you sit on the edge of your seat.
00:19:15
Speaker
I want to ask you for the second episode. You didn't, you didn't feel that same way with ah wondering what's going to happen to Clea as Cassian and Melshi are being followed by the fucking ISB.
00:19:26
Speaker
Okay. Apartment. I lied. um My notes were, my notes were scrolled a little too far down. So I didn't remember what happened in episode 11 because episode 11 was basically like straight up action.
00:19:40
Speaker
And it it was it was very tense the whole time because not only are we waiting for them to come get claya who like time's running out because the empire's figured out who she is um here it went straight evil twink this episode and was like it's gay bossing a thing because if not like that's what he was doing it was the like queer version of a girl boss No, he was girl bossing.
00:20:06
Speaker
Simple as that. it was yeah And he was trying his best to get shit done. And they found Clea. They know what she looked like. They were like, tell the city that this woman has a disease.
00:20:18
Speaker
so then we need to find her. There's an outbreak. which I was like, here we go with the propaganda again. right but yeah, just Klaia sitting in that safe house, just waiting and just watching her pace.
00:20:31
Speaker
And yeah, it was stressful. So like I said, I lied. There's definitely still tension going into episode 11 as well. Right. It was stressful, especially because it was like, oh God, if she is killed before she...
00:20:47
Speaker
reveals the information that she learned from Luthien that the energy project was actually a super weapon a planet destroying super weapon then it's all over like the Empire would never find out that information and I I kept wondering what was going to happen to Clea because within that entire sequence she's the only one that you don't know where it's gonna go we know Mel she's gonna be in Rogue One we know Cassian's in Rogue One K2SO But what happens to Clea?
00:21:13
Speaker
And so when she gets knocked down on the ground by that bomb, I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. That's it for Clea. Yeah. She was like, even when um they brought her back to Yavin, I had thought maybe she was like mute now. Like she couldn't speak because she didn't speak until she was sat down with Vel.
00:21:33
Speaker
um Because even like Cassian was trying to talk to her She never said a word back to him. So i was like, oh, fuck. like I was scared she was going to kill herself. Yeah, when she started taking all the the things off, i was like, oh, shit. And then she started walking out in the rain with like no purpose or anything.
00:21:49
Speaker
and honestly, she might have. But Vel was there to be like, come on, girl like let's get it together. We'll go back to my tent. I know some people have speculated that they could have been like ex-girlfriends or something. And I'm like, this episode did not prove that false. If anything, it made me think that may have been the case. like They had a thing in the past.
00:22:10
Speaker
But... Because Clea's been nothing but an asshole towards Vel. For no reason. Yeah. Well, I'm sure there's a reason, but that lives in Tony Gowry's head. um But, you know, seeing Vel just instantly, without second thought, take care of Clea.
00:22:29
Speaker
Very, very, very nice. Especially because if we go back to the first arc of season two, and they were straight up arguing at the wedding. And I think that was the last time we saw them together and interact. So it was nice to see this kind of interaction.
00:22:44
Speaker
I have a question for you, though, about this episode. What did you think of the usage of K2SO? Oh my gosh, I felt amazing after seeing it because comparing it to how we saw the K2 or the KX droids at the Gorman massacre, it was so nice and so freeing to see that same um strength used against the Empire. Fuck the ISB.
00:23:09
Speaker
I loved it And I loved seeing the Twink get picked up and thrown. ah Amazing. And used this like a bot as droid body shields. He's just holding him there in front of the ISP officer. I was like, oh my God.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah. K2SO. K2SO. I definitely enjoyed him in this arc and i and I'm glad that he was there. and I kind of like that. I mean, and it was this way in Rogue One, but I feel like there was a little more quippy with Cassian and k two in Rogue One.
00:23:37
Speaker
Whereas in this episode, I felt like it was more of K2 and Cassian being super serious about the mission. So it was kind of funny that he was just not saying anything back to him. And I felt like that fit more in line with how we've seen Cassian so far up to this point, which we know, obviously, their relationship will continue to grow.
00:23:55
Speaker
Well, I guess not that much from this arc because they're going to the ring of Kaphrine. But yeah, I i definitely enjoyed K2 in this arc. He didn't feel like too goofy or anything, which is what I think we had talked about being worried about.
00:24:11
Speaker
Yeah. The tragic part was that there just, there wasn't enough and there couldn't be enough of K2SO because Tony Goy had been talking about this in interviews, you know, coming into season two, um talking about how they had to delay bringing in K2 because that's not what the story called for.
00:24:31
Speaker
um he basically has been saying that with K2SO, the thing that sucks is since he's fully CG, you can't really do it anything with him. And there's a lot of times where it's like, He has to be left in the in the ship. That happens in Rogue One where they're like, all right, K2, you stay behind because you're too expensive to come with us. And it was the same thing here. But then, like, he got his big moment. But you could tell that it was limited with what they could do with K2SO in the show.
00:24:57
Speaker
But... It didn't bother me, honestly. i didn't i didn't i didn't think it came off as limited at all. But I definitely see what you're saying because, of course, he had to stay with the ship. And he did get to smack the guard off the bridge, which I love.
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah. I think another part of it, too, is that we saw K2SO at the end of the last arc. So that means that there's an entire year of Cassian and K2's relationship that that we didn't see get to be built. And so I guess in my mind, it was just like...
00:25:26
Speaker
Before Andor, you would think that K2SO is like a much more important piece of Cassian's story. But then like at least at the end of Andor season one and two, it's like, oh, I guess he really wasn't like important at all. He was like the least important aspect, if you really think about it.
00:25:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's definitely odd how that played out. um But I'm not complaining. you know they still They still did great things, but I i do feel like K2SO didn't get to have that like deeper Andor-esque... I don't even how know how you'd call it, but like the way that they've expanded on characters like Krennic or you know some of the other characters we see in Rogue One. i feel like K2 didn't get that.
00:26:13
Speaker
I think it comes down to the fact that Tony Gower was trying to make a human story and K2SO is literally artificial intelligence. He's a droid. I was thinking about that when they were playing the game. i was like, is he not like essentially cheating? Yeah.
00:26:28
Speaker
like Well, it seems like Melshi and Cassian were the ones cheating, actually. Yeah. And then I was thinking to myself, I'm like, they're like drunk. And now they're going off to Coruscant to go pick up Clea drunk. Well, that's the irony of it all is, you know, they're they're just chilling, having a good day. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the most important mission of them all just happens and has sprung upon them. And it's like, well...
00:26:55
Speaker
That's that's that's real life for you. you know, that's so true. And that's that that's a lot of what Andor is. I think another um something else we should touch on from this episode is the lovely conversation between Dedra and director Krennic.
00:27:13
Speaker
Oh my god, when he puts his finger on top of her head and spins around, i'm like, man, Krennic, he was another character that like he didn't have a whole lot to do in season two, but in his moments, he shined. you know We always heard like within Star Wars canon that everyone hated Krennic, and it was like...
00:27:35
Speaker
You're almost like, why? Like, is he just like, you know, annoying? Are they jealous of his, you know, energy project? No, he just genuinely sucks. Like, he's just genuinely annoying as shit.
00:27:48
Speaker
Well, yeah, he's obnoxious. I mean, that's what we as the audience love about him. But yeah, I couldn't imagine having to deal with that man, especially in the workplace. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:27:58
Speaker
And it's funny because when Dedra gets accused of of being a rebel, um there's There's obviously parts of it that line up with that. like You could draw that conclusion of, like okay, she was um being a scavenger, taking information that she shouldn't have. Now Luthan and Lonnie are both dead at the same time. Under her watch, at least with Luthan.
00:28:23
Speaker
But if you like dig any more deeper than that, it's like so obvious that she's so loyal to the Empire. And I feel like that would have been so obvious to Krennic. But it's just kind of you could almost tell that he was agitated that he even had to deal with this because he needs to get back to his energy project. That's like two months behind at this point.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah. And he literally is like, he's so pissed off. he says some line about coming to the ISB office, calling it like a basement or something. And i'm like, Oh my God, he literally hates these people and hates this place.
00:28:54
Speaker
I love that. He said to Deidre, if you're not a rebel spy, you've missed your calling. Like he is so ridiculous. So cunty. And yeah, It was great. And that's a character, like you said, kind of comparing him with K2, where I feel like he did get more moments to shine and we still got more of him. we didn't really go in depth with Krennic, but I don't think we really needed to because it felt like we kind of understood who he was from Rogue One.
00:29:21
Speaker
And so we just got to enjoy being sprinkled in. exactly and it wouldn't have made sense for them to dive deeper like into the death star the energy project like feel like the the way they went about it was really good and or has this like rule basically that if the main characters aren't present they're not going to show that to us in the show so there's so many scenes where like think of like anto krieger from like season one like None of our main characters are actually present for that. So they didn't actually show it within the show.
00:29:55
Speaker
And um yeah, to the point where I don't think Anto Krieger actually had like a physical actor for him. Right. He was just created as a CGI hologram. Here's Anto Krieger.
00:30:07
Speaker
Literally, basically just a video game character. Yeah. And so and on that same like wavelength, it makes sense that we didn't go deeper into Director Krennic because really the only character that we could see that through was Dedra.
00:30:23
Speaker
And we saw how their dynamic played out. Yeah. Yeah, and episode 11 definitely had a lot of good, like I said, it had a lot of action, a lot of fun, but it definitely felt quick.
00:30:36
Speaker
Yeah, very true. These actually were the shortest episodes. Oh, well, it felt like it and It felt like it to me. I don't know if it felt like it to you, but it felt like it to me. And I think that's why it kind of, as I described it earlier, it felt almost like an epilogue.
00:30:51
Speaker
because we did kind of just catch up with each character, even to the point where we had a little montage at the end. But I don't want to want to get into the montage too quick. i But I do want to talk about once we get back to Yavin and kind of what happens there.
00:31:07
Speaker
And we finally get to see Bail Organizan Yavin wearing the same outfit that he wore in Rogue One. Yeah, we all know. I'm sure everyone has been waiting to hear what I think about Mon Mothma's hair.
00:31:23
Speaker
What did you think? So didn't it. didn't hate it they tried to make it as cunty as possible i feel like that and like they gave her instead of just like a fucking cheat a dress smock poncho thing they at least gave her like a little bodycon dress underneath and it was almost like more of just like a pullover so like okay i can take the little glow up from like rogue one mon to this mon but yeah
00:31:56
Speaker
I feel so bad for Genevieve O'Reilly. She does not look good with short hair. I think like I do think she's a very beautiful woman, but like her features are like not meant for short hair.
00:32:12
Speaker
just almost I almost think the opposite for some reason. Like, I feel like with, like, the her her cheekbones... Oh, God, why are we talking about this? But, like, the her cheekbones and and the short hair, like, i don't know. I feel like it goes very well together. There's that picture of her from um Rogue One um that I'll put up on the screen where I don't know. It just... It feels like her. Like, she... Like, Genevieve O'Reilly, like, fully puts herself into that character. I don't know. It just...
00:32:38
Speaker
It just works. You know, it's funny. You know, it's funny about that, though, because we were on Yavin and it was similar to Rogue One. In thinking about the scenes of Mon and Rogue One compared to Mon and Andor,
00:32:54
Speaker
compared to Mon and rebels on Yavin. I was like, this is clearly and or Mon Mothma on Yavin. Like, like, I don't know how to describe it. It was almost like the tone of her voice, probably because as I've talked about before, she settled into who Mon Mothma is to her and her version of Mon. She's not trying to play this caricature. She's not trying to play the character as Caroline Blakiston did back and Return of the Jedi.
00:33:19
Speaker
This is Genevieve O'Reilly's Mon Mothma. And i kind of saw that and the way she was arguing with Saw Gerrera. um i don't know if you even noticed any differences, but to me, it just really stuck out. it was like, this is Genevieve O'Reilly's and or Mon Mothma.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, she's a fully fleshed out character at this point. Like we've, we've seen so much of her. We have so much more context and, you know, Genevieve O'Reilly as an actress has all that, you know, context now that she can put into her performance. So Yeah, I thought that entire scene was so interesting because we always hear about like the Mon and Cassian relationship. Like I think they really hit us over the head with that in the Rogue One novelization. um And we kind of got to see that where they're like,
00:34:04
Speaker
really the only ones on the same page in that room. And you could see Mon Mothla wanted to like um say more, but I think it was a case of like, I'm not going to side with Cassian right in front of him so that he thinks he could just be insubordinate. like At the end of the day, he's still breaking the rules. But yeah um they actually cut after Cassian leaves the room.
00:34:25
Speaker
But I promise you, if they continue that scene, Mon Mothla probably said something like, We need to at least trust him a little bit. Like after everything, I don't think, you know, i don't think he's lying.
00:34:36
Speaker
i don't think that clay is lying. i don't think that Luthan's lying. Cause at that point it's like, what would they have a reason for? Like, what would the reason be um for everything that they've done? Like, i don't know. I feel like all those characters, like,
00:34:52
Speaker
they they they should you know have the trust of the rebel leaders. but Well, and it's funny that you mentioned that because I loved all the bickering that was going on because one, this is the early days of rebellion. And not only do we see them bickering later in Rogue One when they're trying to decide if they're going to go to Scarif or not, but even just when like Jyn gets there,
00:35:15
Speaker
There's always feels like there's this weird tension between Mon General Draven and Cassie and like they're all standing in different areas of the room and they seem like they're irritated, but we never really knew why. And I don't know if that was planned or what happened, but now it makes so much more sense because of right Cassian went on this mission. He got this girl who was like Luthan's right hand person who they don't like Luthan.
00:35:38
Speaker
So can we really trust what's going on with this? But we have to make a decision right now. Like there's so much at stake and yeah now it adds so much more context to that. So when we watch it back, it's going to be like, Oh, they're pissed off.
00:35:53
Speaker
And Mon Mothma is the only one who's like, yeah, we really actually need to do this. And Cassian's pissed off because he got in trouble. but yeah literally um i i think it's interesting that like you bring all that up and then still in andor they put bail organa in the position of like being the one that is the wall in between like it's mon mothma and and davin that come in and and tell him like no you need to trust cassian i almost wonder like what was the reason for putting bail organa in that role because that's not present in rogue one it's not present in like anything else so like
00:36:29
Speaker
Why was he the one standing in the way so much? Here's the thing. When we think to Bale's presence in Rogue One, the way he comes into Rogue One, he's never really around with the decision with the decision making or talking about the mission with Jyn.
00:36:47
Speaker
He just kind of shows up. We have a musical cue like, oh, it's Bale Organa. We should all be like, oh, it's the Senator Organa is coming into this. Now it's really serious. But it now it kind of comes off like a he didn't feel great about doing this mission to begin with and wasn't fully on board, but like, he kind of feels like he has no choice. Like he was voted against essentially it was three to one or five to one, whatever it was.
00:37:09
Speaker
So there's another thing where we recontextualized maybe Bail Organa's part in this, but I did love how, when he did come to see Cassie in the next day and like kind of give him a,
00:37:21
Speaker
good graces and a little may the force be with you which was very fitting after last week with the force healer i love how k2 is like it's the one what does he say it's the one you're mad at or the one you don't like is the guy you don't like the guy you don't like to talk to you Yeah, I was like, that is hilarious. And I kind of love um just knowing that like Cassian and Bale don't get along because it's it's just kind of fun for their characters because we I think we both like Bale. We both like Cassian.
00:37:51
Speaker
And it's just the fact that they don't get along and it just adds more fun to the whole alliance itself. And something we see here i go again in the reign of the empire um mask of fear novel is that bale and mon do not see eye to eye on how to run the rebellion and that would make sense because we also had my girl tinra pamelo senator of taurus shout out i'm glad she was back but she's glad she was back but why she always stand in the way of fucking everything i know i know
00:38:23
Speaker
I know. I thought the same thing. i was like, oh, I'm so happy she's back. And then she's like, this is a horrible idea. I'm like, girl, why did we have to do this in Rogue One? We did this and yeah now we're doing it in Andor.
00:38:35
Speaker
But I was like, this woman, something about her voice, she needs to be a voice actress. She's just got an amazing voice. I don't know what it is, but I hear her and I'm like, I need to shut the fuck up and listen. Yeah, she she always has a great performance. Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
who was, there was the other rebellion leader whose name I don't know, but um he was back from Rogue One. And then of course, Admiral Raddus, who was great. And they gave a shout out to Antakmeric.
00:39:01
Speaker
So I did enjoy that. I did see that. And I also like how they expanded upon Draven. Like he, because we see in Rogue one that he, i think it's safe to say that he like does trust Cassian at that point when we see um him tell,
00:39:18
Speaker
uh Cassian that if he sees Galen Urso you have to kill him like there's that sense of trust there and I kind of liked seeing them build up to that when it's like at first Cassian comes in and he's telling them you know there's this weapon and then they're like what are you talking about and then Draven starts seeing all these things that line up like oh there's a Star Destroyer over Jedha and Um, what's the, the guy's name? Tivict, um, from rogue one is, is saying that he has information, but he only wants to talk to Cassian about it. It's like, okay, I have to trust this guy. I have no choice. He even says something like, if it's, if this is all a trap, it's like the best trap that's ever been because,
00:39:57
Speaker
it's it's so elaborate there's just no way that this is all a coincidence and it's not a coincidence because as the force is dictating all of it you did get your moment with the force healer i ate my word and i was like shut up scotty there should be no more moment the follow-up is that she was right in the end nope you got you got the moment in the montage at the end they got a little they had like a visual acknowledgement and i did really enjoy that um I think with General Draven, though, for me, i almost feel like General Draven very similar to Cassian, where he wants to jump up and take action.
00:40:34
Speaker
But he knows that where he's at in his position of power and with the rebellion, they have to be organized. They have to have regulations. They have to have rules because that's only way it's going to actually work and be like a like a true um operation, essentially. And we kind of saw a little bit of that in.
00:40:50
Speaker
arc three i think we saw a little bit more of that in this arc too i feel like draven really does like cassian as well but he kind of has to reel that in because he has to be stern and because cassian is breaking all these rules i think k2so said 18 rules were broken just on their takeoff to go to coruscant so yeah and then they're coming in hot Yeah, you're right in the sense that like the rebellion, it does need to be organized, but it is funny when you think about it, like all of their successes are so spontaneous and are typically people going against the rules. I mean, Luke Skywalker turned off his targeting computer to blow up the Death Star.
00:41:29
Speaker
Like um they found out about the the Death Star because Cassian... flew away on his own to to go save what he thought was Luthan, but actually saved Cleia.
00:41:39
Speaker
In Rogue One, at the end, um when Jyn and Cassian, you know, put on the full Scarif mission, it's like, it's always against the organized rebellion.
00:41:50
Speaker
And I wonder, like, what's the commentary there? Like, is is it that organization is not necessarily a good thing? like um Or I guess more like... The individualism, I think maybe like Clea says this to Cassian in the last arc when he's like, I just want to make my own decisions. And she's like, I thought that's what we're fighting for.
00:42:11
Speaker
Like, is that really it? Like, is that at the end of the day, each person should have the freedom fighting for the freedom to do their own thing, to make their own actions? Like, and then in the end of the day, when people are making their own decisions, they're the most successful person.
00:42:26
Speaker
Like, I wonder if that's all an actual commentary or it's all just a coincidence. I'll just get a little bit of a little bit meta and say that it's the acts of rebellion.
00:42:38
Speaker
Rebelling against the rules of the rebellion is when like it actually works out, which is funny because the Empire, all they do is rules. So it would make sense that to be someone who's so rigid and with so many rules, you have to fight completely differently and rebel.
00:42:56
Speaker
Rebels are rebels. Yeah. um I will say that I think coming into season two, everybody thought the show was going to be a bloodbath. And I mean, so major players definitely did die. I mean, we got the death of Cyril, Luthen.
00:43:11
Speaker
um There's definitely ones I'm forgetting. Why am I forgetting? Colma. take home um cinta hello that's the one i was i was thinking about um but at the end of the day a lot of characters that i thought were gonna die actually lived i mean dedra lived technically vel lived vel willman bix Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
Bix. Is it time to talk about Bix? Because probably. And i hope you won i hope the Jen Cassian shippers are feeling some type of way because there ain't nothing coming of between Cassian and his child.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's what's funny is like, I think it was Maggie Lovett of Collider that had put in her an initial review of um the entire season that it kind of, this season kind of kills Jen Cassian. And I thought she was just talking about the last arc where I'm like,
00:44:07
Speaker
Really? Like you you think that like, I mean, i guess there's a way where you look at it where it's like Cassian is thinking of Bix when he's with Jin, but this episode really put the nail in the coffin. Like, oh no, like Cassian's legacy lives on literally another through another woman.
00:44:26
Speaker
Not even another woman like ah him. He has in Bix child, like Cassian's memory, sacrifice, legacy. It all lives on through that child, which I honestly feel like that was the reason they added a child into it was because to show that, like, even though Cassian, we know that he, you know, sacrifices his life for the rebellion, like his rebellion lives on essentially. yeah.
00:44:53
Speaker
I really enjoyed that. And I love that Bix still has a piece of Cassian with her in their child together. Yeah. I mean, I remember all the way back in 2021, or it might've been early 2022 Star Wars celebration where Tony Gilroy said like he already knew from the beginning of season one, what the last shot of Andor would be. It's kind of crazy that all along, like that's what the shot was. Cause in my mind, I'm like, maybe it's him, you know,
00:45:20
Speaker
pulling into the ring of kafreen or like, I'm thinking all of these like rogue one connections. No, it's, it's Bix. And, uh, she has a child, which is Cassian's child.
00:45:31
Speaker
It's, it's crazy to think about. I almost, I think I need to sit with it longer to like, think about how I really feel about it because part of me feels like it was like a really cliche thing to do. Like it was,
00:45:44
Speaker
one of the most obvious things they could do. I feel like I've seen a lot of people talking about like, um, the possibility of this happening and even like joking about it happening. Like i was like in my mind, like, oh yeah, that would be kind of funny. I don't think that's something Andor would do though, to like reveal he had a kid all along, but well,
00:46:06
Speaker
I don't know. ah And like I said, I think that's why the child more represents more of Cassian's legacy living on than being like, look, fixing Cassian had a baby together.
00:46:18
Speaker
like I almost feel like that's more of the point of having the child there, not to say that they had a baby together, but to show that Cassian's sacrifice, legacy, all of it lives on even after he is gone. um Yeah, that makes sense. That's the way I took it. And maybe after I sit with it, I'll feel differently. But I kind of like that.
00:46:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's I think it's cool. I mean, like we see the sun shining through the clouds and it's like, oh, my gosh, is Cassian watching over them? Like it's it's a really beautiful moment. But I don't know. I don't I feel like it's almost like.
00:46:55
Speaker
not overdone but like i don't know it just i get it it was very cliche you know what i mean i get it and i think yeah literally think of jason cindula yeah i was thinking about that or i was thinking about tales of the underworld with cad bane was like oh my gosh is star wars i'm glad tony gilroy said that this was like planned all along because if he didn't i'd be like oh god is is lucasfilm trying to build like a young avengers here where like We're going to introduce everybody's kids. And then like in the new trilogy by Simon Kinberg, it's going to be about Cad Bade's son versus rebel ah rebel Cassian and or junior.
00:47:37
Speaker
You're doing too much. You're doing too much. I mean, that would be my worry if if Tony Gowoy didn't say that this was the plan all along.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yeah, it is going to be interesting to see if any characters that did survive, if we do ever see them later in other Star Wars media. especially like on screen media, whether that be animated or live action, because this was Tony Gilroy's thing. And as we've all kind of talked about, Andor's kind of been its own thing, its own pocket in the Star Wars universe. It's been completely different than basically all of the other shows.
00:48:14
Speaker
in in a great way, not in a bad way at all. So I'm interested to see if any of those characters do crossover. I mean, you know, I've been posting on social media all day being like, oh my God, like this is the end of Mon Mothma.
00:48:26
Speaker
Somebody responded to me on Instagram and was like, we'll have her in Ahsoka probably. And I'm like, Mon Mothma and Ahsoka is not, not Mon Mothma that I want. Like I love to see her. Sure.
00:48:39
Speaker
But like the writing's not even close. yeah Like she's going to, she's not going to be in a cool outfit that looks amazingly designed. She's going to be in what looks like felt.
00:48:51
Speaker
um it's It's just not the same. So I'm interested to see if more of these characters ever cross over into something else. But in mentioning that, yeah, Oh, definitely. I mean, think about how season two has all these gaps. Like, there's so much time to fill.
00:49:07
Speaker
We have two more Mask of Fear books coming, too. But I hope that it even continues, like, outside of, you know, the Reign of the Empire books. Because those are, you know, I feel like they're so laser-focused on, like, Mon Mothma, Bail Organa. I want to see the books about, like...
00:49:23
Speaker
um cassian and k2 in between these last two arcs or like the adventures of willman um and and saw's partisans that be a really good book because you know who you could get in there calcestis and i'm sure you would love that oh yeah that might actually get me to read it um well you know who's a character we're not gonna see any anymore Who?
00:49:45
Speaker
Major Partigas. Rip. Yeah. Rip. That was such a ah ah historical scene. You know, the the the fascist ends up killing himself in the end.
00:49:58
Speaker
Literally. the one that was the most fascist of them all. Well, besides like Krennic and, you know, the the guys above him. But like... God, what ah what a fucking coward.
00:50:09
Speaker
Literally, and I'm just like, you're he's it reminded me of like a captain going down with the ship. like And the fact that he had Nemec's manifesto playing.
00:50:20
Speaker
oh my God, yeah. I was like, this is just... i have I'm like, oh, well, I don't feel bad for you, sir. Like Nemec's completely right. I love that we got, you know, Legrette saying that he's heard parts of it, that the manifesto itself is spreading across the galaxy to more and more people and reaching more and more people.
00:50:39
Speaker
um i just thought that was really beautiful. And I know that you always like to bring up Nemec's manifesto. So how did seeing that come back around make you feel? I loved it. i I was a little confused when, um because I thought they were going mirror the end of um episode 12 of season one, where, you know, it's like a montage, but then they kept focusing on part of guys here. And I'm like, when are they going to show the next thing?
00:51:07
Speaker
And then it turns out he was listening to it. And I'm like, you know what? I think that's beautiful that like, he was listening to this manifesto and realizing that that message was spreading so far that he was like, I need to take myself out. Like there's, there's no place for me in this equation anymore. And thank God. i don't like part of guys at all. There's not even that like layer of, um, I guess like the tiniest 1% bit of sympathy that you have for like Deidre and Cyril.
00:51:36
Speaker
Um, he doesn't even have that layer to him where it's like he wasn't manipulated as far as we know. um There was multiple times where like he had agency. He was in control of this entire thing, this entire ISB unit.
00:51:51
Speaker
um He deserved that ending. And fuck the other Imperial officer that like, he knew that that was going to happen too. I can't remember his name, but the guy that was standing outside the door, the grant.
00:52:02
Speaker
um Yeah. Rhymes with regret. um but here he was just standing outside the door he knew that that was gonna happen yeah and he wanted to let his superior officer go down in his blaze of glory or whatever who fucking cares fuck part gas and then also fuck parron oh my gosh i that was such an interesting one scene scene where he is now he's a drunk um honestly though i was like oh my gosh do you miss your wife i realized what you had that um there there probably is a sense of that there's probably a sense of like his life probably was kind of ruined because he was probably the first person to be questioned when mon mothma oh my god yeah everything like they were probably on his ass for at least a few months No wonder he's an alcoholic now. But then with Davos Golden's wife, I was like, oh my God, the drama.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah. They probably tortured Perrin, to be honest. And then, you know, there was nothing that they could get out of him because he genuinely knew nothing. And so was probably like, oh, fuck this poor guy.
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah, he needs to move um back to Shandrilla because at least he can go live with his lovely daughter and her husband, the 14 year olds. I guess they'd be 15 now.
00:53:25
Speaker
Yeah, we're like 16, 17 by now if they're even still together. Oh, yeah, it's been a couple years. I forgot they got married in the first arc. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think that if they were to continue to add stories to this like Rogue One pocket of the Star Wars universe, which I don't think they will.
00:53:46
Speaker
I think the next cool one would be Galen Erso. I think an entire movie or series specifically about Galen would be very cool because he's such a complex character with like working for the empire and then moving away from it and then being forced to work with them again you could have a lot of parallels there to like the manhattan project um oppenheimer the oppenheimer movie ye um i think that would be a really a really cool one to do and then it's like you're not
00:54:19
Speaker
it's not like you're making like a direct spinoff to like Andor where it's like, Oh, Boba Fett's in Mandalorian. And now we're going to make a Boba Fett show. it's like You know, it's funny about that. I was literally thinking today, the Mandalorian got spinoff shows.
00:54:32
Speaker
Why can't Andor have spinoff shows? Cause y'all know, don't know it's necessarily something I want for Andor to do, but not, not in the way that it was like carried out with the Mandalorian. I don't want this connected story that weaves in and out of itself but like having a spinoff about characters like give us the mon mothma show yeah i would love that what what more do you think would be in a mon mothma show i think seeing her ah with the rebellion maybe seeing because you know we don't see her character from rogue one until return of the jedi
00:55:07
Speaker
So I think there could be a lot of cool stuff to see what happens between that timeframe where we wouldn't necessarily have to go to all these familiar places because she wasn't there. Yeah. You know what I mean?
00:55:21
Speaker
that makes sense. I think that that that's another idea I have if they were to want to continue with like an Andor spinoff of sorts is um show after a new hope you know leading up to hope they have all this material that like expands on the death star and everything and then in return of the jedi there's just another death star there's just another one we have no setup for it in canon that is so true literally it just pops up in between movies and it's like yep and it's fully operational surprise
00:55:53
Speaker
Yeah. So they could totally continue on with like a a rebel era series. And, and I feel like back in return to the Jedi. Well, and so much of that has been covered in like comics, but we haven't seen it on screen. Yeah.
00:56:10
Speaker
So I would, yeah, I, I mean, I'm biased because I love Mon Mothma and I'm just so sad that we've only got her for this short time as we've dove so deep into her character just to close the book again.
00:56:23
Speaker
So it's unfortunate. um I would love more. And I think there's a possibility for more. um But obviously Tony Gilroy wouldn't be doing it. so Yeah. But I mean, he his brother, Dan Gilroy, what's he doing?
00:56:38
Speaker
Or his his other brother, I can't remember his first name, but the other Gilroy. What are they up to? i know Tony Gilroy is working on another movie, but haven't heard nothing about Dan Gilroy. Well, we shall see.
00:56:52
Speaker
I hope that Lucasfilm in general takes away from Andorra as a series. spend time with your writing have multiple writers do a writer's room and like be passionate like give creative liberties to the people creating these shows and give them the budgets that they need to create their vision don't yeah like confine them into these little eight episode series and making everything go on the volume as cheap as possible like and have more you know sophisticated writing i mean not everything has to be like the level of and or where like a lot of not at all in the show and i'm like am i stupid or
00:57:33
Speaker
um that not everything has to be like that but like at the same time i feel like a lot of the the writing in star wars it's it's very um one-dimensional it can it can be very flat or like straightforward where like with andor there's a lot of like room for interpretation there's a lot of it almost feels like a riddle at times where you're like having to really think about things um just i feel like they shouldn't be scared to do that No, treat more audience treat your audience like they have media literacy. 100%. Simple as that. Just give us give us good shows and it can still be pulpy and good. it can still be weird and fantasy.
00:58:13
Speaker
I would love to see, um and this probably won't ever happen because I don't think Tony Gilroy is actually going to return to Star Wars. like I think he's the one creative that you can trust when he says, I'm not coming back.
00:58:27
Speaker
But imagine if Dave Filoni and Tony Gilroy actually teamed up for something like a movie or something. and feel like that would be like probably the greatest Star Wars ever because you'd get like Dave Filoni's mind with like all the mystical things in the forest and all the weirdness of it, which he's really good at with the fantasy. He's very much like George Lucas where he's got all these ideas and then have someone like Tony Gilroy come in that like is able to ground it more and, you know,
00:58:54
Speaker
um like I just feel like putting their minds together would just be there would be something excellent. but You know what? There's already a show that that could be. What is that? Rangers of the New Republic.
00:59:07
Speaker
Very true. Very true. i think getting Tony Gilroy in there for for New Republic politics would make it a lot more interesting than the very flat politics we're seeing play out.
00:59:19
Speaker
yup And then maybe we could actually enjoy Genevieve O'Reilly in in the New Republic era um instead of her really acting the house down and everybody else around her just being goofy with crazy contacts and whatnot. but Wow, I can't believe it's over. like ah There's there no more Andor to watch. like What the fuck, man?
00:59:39
Speaker
but i know I know. Visions at the end of October. wo It's going to be a long time until then. It's just sad to think about, like the like i said, the Rogue One pocket of the Star Wars universe. Like, it's over now.
00:59:54
Speaker
Yeah. yeah We're probably never going to see um Diego Luna as Cassian Andor ever again. Yeah. Nope. And he, he, as far as we know, he's not force sensitive, so we ain't going to see him as a force ghost or anything. So yeah, well, we'll see him as sunlight peeking through on Mina Rao possibly, but shadows in the sunlight. How about that one? There you go. there you go Well, Scotty, if there's nothing left, even though I want to continue this conversation because I don't want and we're to end.
01:00:25
Speaker
know. Why don't you send us out of here? Thank you all so much for hanging out with us and coming along on our journey through and or season two Make sure you follow us on social media at way seekers pod or wherever you get your podcast so you don't miss out on any of our future coverage.
01:00:40
Speaker
Thank you all so much for watching. And as always, may the force be with you.