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Ranking Star Wars Animation to Live-Action Translations (Tier List)
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Ahsoka. Thrawn. Bo-Katan. Ezra. Cad Bane. Today on This is the Wayseekers, we’re ranking every Star Wars character who made the jump from animation to live-action... the good, the bad, and the ones we wish had stayed animated. From The Clone Wars to The Mandalorian and Ahsoka, we’re diving into the most controversial adaptations in the galaxy.
- 🎬 Who got the best glo-up?
- 💥 Who was completely butchered?
- 💡 And what does this trend say about the future of Star Wars storytelling?
This episode blends deep analysis, unfiltered opinions, and a tier list you won’t believe. Whether you're a die-hard Clone Wars fan or just found Ahsoka through Disney+, this one’s for you.
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Transcript
Ahsoka Tano in Live-Action: A Guilty Verdict?
00:00:00
Speaker
Order in the court! Miss Ahsoka Tano, you have been found guilty of having a well-written, emotionally rich, and narratively satisfying arc throughout your animated tenure. she As punishment, you are hereby sentenced to appear and no less than five live-action Star Wars projects, all under the creative jurisdiction of Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni.
00:00:22
Speaker
But, your honor, with all due respect, I know she broke the Star Wars law, but is this not cruel and unusual? Her actions have given us no choice. But, but she's had an arc. She grew. She matured. People liked her. What if her head looks weird or her actress moves like she's in her ninety s then that means our system works.
00:00:41
Speaker
Let this be a lesson, Cad Bane, Ezra Bridger, Captain Rex, that if you dare break our precious laws on becoming beloved Star Wars characters, you will face the consequences.
00:00:53
Speaker
My client, I'm so sorry. You've already grown so stoic.
Star Wars and Coca-Cola: A Collaboration Fizzles?
00:01:04
Speaker
Look, I finally got the Star Wars Coca-Cola collaboration and got the only bottle, Ray. yeah i was going to say, it's not showing up on the camera either. um I'm super pissed because they did not do it in Diet Coke.
00:01:19
Speaker
And I'm not going to drink regular Coke. So I'm just living vicariously through everybody else. i mean i don't know what you have against coke zero because not to open this debate but coke zero is definitely better than diet coke but i'm just pissed off about the whole collaboration in general because all the like if you get a 12 pack they're all the same character um they have limited characters on like full sugar coke and coke zero and all they had at the store was ray because for some reason people are scalping them and selling them online it's like It's a fucking Coca-Cola bottle.
00:01:51
Speaker
Drink it and then put it on your fucking shelf. If not, don't sell it. It's not going to sell for much. Or be crazy like me. And I was in my car and I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll get one and I'll just never drink it.
00:02:03
Speaker
And I'll just put it on my shelf completely full. And then it'll like separate after like 10 years and it'll be disgusting and I'll have to throw it away. um But I was like, but if I see an Ahsoka one, I might get it Yeah, I mean, there's characters I want and it's cool to display, but I'm too much of a Coke Zero fiend, so I can't have them on my shelf without drinking them. But in honesty, they just totally dropped the ball with that Star Wars Coca-Cola
From Animation to Live-Action: Success or Failure?
00:02:30
Speaker
collaboration. And Maybe I'm already feeling cynical today because I'm a little hungover, but we're talking about something else that Lucasfilm has been dropping the ball with. Animation to live action.
00:02:42
Speaker
Translations. These characters that started in animation like the Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, and moved on into live action. Can I be honest? It's one of my least favorite trends of the new era of Star Wars. like Back when it was first happening and they there was rumors of Ahsoka's going to appear in The Mandalorian, Bo-Katan, it was like...
00:03:00
Speaker
Oh my God. Like it was so, so exciting. And now if I hear ah an animated character is coming into live action, especially one I like, then I'm like, Oh God, please don't like, please stay away from that character. i'm Literally and Asajj Ventress.
00:03:15
Speaker
I not want to see her in live action ever at this point. Right. They've just completely dropped the ball, I feel like. So I'm excited to talk about that. I guess as excited as you can be, there's some where they're really good, but then there's other examples where it's just like, what were they thinking here? And I know a lot of Star Wars fans feel the same way because it's, you know, drawn up a lot of controversy over the years since this started actually happening.
00:03:42
Speaker
Well, I'm very excited to hear your opinions on it because I feel like we've talked about the Ahsoka series characters a lot, but there's other characters on this list that I feel like we haven't really talked about a ton.
00:03:53
Speaker
So I'm very interested to get into it. um And I guess start with the lady of the hour, Lady Tano, if you may. Yes, Ahsoka. So i think we both are in agreement here. Like you said, we've talked about this before.
00:04:09
Speaker
For me, i don't think Ahsoka should even be above tier. I might be swinging too hard, but... I do not like live action Ahsoka. It does not feel like the same character.
00:04:22
Speaker
The montrals, the look of the character, the makeup, it's improved over time. Like, don't get me wrong. I would never say that the Ahsoka we saw in The Mandalorian compares to the one that we saw in the Ahsoka series.
00:04:33
Speaker
It's gotten better, but i just don't even think Rosario Dawson is a good Ahsoka outside of looking like her. But looking like her doesn't mean you can act like her. Does she really look like her though?
00:04:45
Speaker
i mean, at this point I've seen better. I've seen better fan casts. True. Better fan cast, better cosplays. Better cosplays. I don't know. What, what would you put Ahsoka in? Do you think it's as bad as F? Cause I know we've talked about, i know we don't like it. I think that's clear.
00:05:03
Speaker
Well, I don't hate it, but I don't prefer it. And I think the biggest thing that doesn't get talked about as much is I hate her pants. I hate her parachute pants so much. And I know they're supposed to be in like a traditional sam style. feel Yeah. ah Don't even get me started on the way she wields that damn lightsaber. Um, I'm gonna, I wouldn't say f I want to say B. B?
00:05:34
Speaker
Okay. D is the highest I'm willing to put it because I was like for a second, like, okay, maybe I am swinging a little hard. There's definitely characters that are worse than Ahsoka live action translation, but you know what I just feel like the performance is the biggest thing here.
00:05:49
Speaker
Okay, well if we're basing it on performance, yeah, it's not very Ahsoka. I think the closest we've gotten to Ahsoka from animation in live action is Ahsoka the White. And even then, that was just like in that one episode.
00:06:01
Speaker
So we'll put it in D and we'll piss everybody off right from the start. Oh, well. I love how you said that the best one you think is Ahsoka the White. I was going to say that the best live action Ahsoka I think we got is Jeki from the Acolyte. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's that's very true.
00:06:19
Speaker
Well, we have Bo-Katan
Bo-Katan and Tera Sanube: Hits and Misses
00:06:20
Speaker
now. She was the first one that appeared in the new Disney Plus era, one of the first translations. And honestly, I really like Bo-Katan in live action. I really like Katie Sackhoff as playing the character, and I don't know if it's just because it's the same actress that makes it feel so cohesive.
00:06:37
Speaker
But like the only real issue I have with Bo-Katan is that wig that she wore in season two. Season two, party city, shake and go, nasty ass wig.
00:06:48
Speaker
Right. ah Well, let's get that woman a lace front or something, or at least attach her hair to her headband. Like, don't. It was bad. Season two, Bo-Katan was bad. The ah the portrayal of Bo-Katan, Katie Sackhoff did amazing.
00:07:02
Speaker
And we have to point out the fact that, like we said, she played her in animation, not only in Clone Wars, but also in Rebels. And let me just say that I'm glad that they stuck closer to her Clone Wars appearance than her Rebels non Botox forehead appearance.
00:07:17
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, rebels, that's just the art style really. I mean, she looks like me. She looks like me old and tired. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Honestly, thinking about it, I'm almost willing to put her in S if the only issue I have is her hair that they eventually fixed.
00:07:33
Speaker
Well, then what do they have wrong with her? Do you have cons? No, but I know one of the big cons is um boob armor. A lot of people hate the boob armor for some reason, because it's not like historically accurate or doesn't make sense.
00:07:49
Speaker
That was a weird thing that happened with these Mandalorians in live action and like her and Cosca Reeves. So like like you're saying that in animation it was like flatter Is that was is that the issue or you mean like no people in sense of like armor?
00:08:05
Speaker
history Throughout history and there's been like things that they've proven that like having contoured armor around like a female chest Like it's not actually protective That's the only gripe that I heard. It's so weird and so niche.
00:08:21
Speaker
so But I wanted to bring it up because that I remember it being like a big thing with her, Cosca Reeves. um Not so much with Sabine, but her armor is completely different than all the other Mandalorians anyway.
00:08:34
Speaker
right i mean like if the i mean the difference is that the animated characters don't have obviously katie sackoff has boobs yeah they have to implement that into the costume you know what i mean so no i have no problem with it at all i think it looks fine and it's not like there's i don't think they're like sexualizing her in any way by having that like contour to her chest like i like it i think it's s tier S tier.
00:09:01
Speaker
Well, we're the only ones in the room, so S tier it is. Well, this next one is your favorite character, so Yeah, so this is a really fun one because i love Taras Sanube.
00:09:12
Speaker
um You know that. Anybody that subscribes to my channel or listens to us knows that. And with Taras Sanube, I'm very sad that what we did get of him in live action was him encased in in a tomb on the Fortress Inquisitorius.
00:09:30
Speaker
It was heartbreaking for me. i was so sad seeing that. However, the live action interpretation of him so fucking Especially the one that the artist released, like the artist that actually designed him. we got to see everything, even the lightsaber, which is funny because it's like, why did they have that poor artist design all of that? Just have him in a fucking coffin, basically.
00:09:53
Speaker
But yeah. i but what he I think he has the benefit of not having to speak, not having to move. So by default, he's S tier because we can only look at his looks, basically.
00:10:06
Speaker
So that's that's my opinion. S tier. They didn't. Yeah. Can't go wrong with just a image, basically, of the character. I would have loved seeing him in the Kenobi Seasers being like, they ah what the fuck does he say? He's like, the thing about going slow blah, blah, blah. I should know this. I'm going to judge myself, but i would have that would have been hilarious.
00:10:28
Speaker
i think it would According to our comments, we're fake fans anyways. oh Let me go back to watching anime, according to the comments. No, but I mean, i the I'm hopeful that in the future they do bring him back because we know that Star Wars, especially in animation, they reuse those assets all the time where it's like, okay, we had Ryloth in the Clone Wars. We have all that saved to our files, so we'll bring it back in the Bad Batch.
00:10:53
Speaker
Well, and they even they even did bring him back for Tales of the Jedi. So they've already done it once. So I'm ready to see him again with ah with some voice lines. Right, exactly.
00:11:06
Speaker
Well, this next one, the character obviously did not start an animation. It's Anakin Skywalker. But this costume, his Clone Wars costume that he wore in the 2008 series, transferred into live action in the Ahsoka series.
00:11:19
Speaker
That's the next one we're going to talk about. And this may might make me sound crazy, might make me sound like the most nitpicky Star Wars fan ever. F tier simply because the costume is very, very inaccurate.
00:11:33
Speaker
When you look at the costume, you may think, oh, it's not that bad. It looks like 2008 Clone Wars, right? But you have to remember 2008 Clone Wars was it stylized. It had an...
00:11:45
Speaker
a language basically that the designs spoke that you take a live action counterpart and then put it into an animation. There's different design things that have to stay consistent so that it's obviously the same thing. So basically Anakin's costume in the Clone Wars is meant to be an extension of what he wore in Attack of the Clones.
00:12:06
Speaker
So that maroon cloth he's wearing, that's meant to be that like brownish undershirt pants that he wears in Attack of the Clones. That blue cloth that they have in the show, that's meant to be his leather that he wears in Attack of the Clones.
00:12:23
Speaker
It's not meant to be cloth. And the chest plate that's meant to be armor, like it literally looks like stone in the show, it's leather. So it's very, very inaccurate.
00:12:35
Speaker
Does it look correct? Yes. But it's not accurate at all to the design language that the Clone Wars specifically set up. And so for that reason, I put it in F tier because it just pisses me off.
00:12:49
Speaker
Especially when you have Dave Filoni working on, like Dave Filoni invented the fucking language that all of a sudden he can't speak. um i didn't really have an opinion on this because i was just like yeah looks like the colors that it was in the show so it looks good but you're right he's it looks clothy and it doesn't even look like jedi robes and definitely not leather and that chest piece to me it looks like rubber um like a very thin like rubber or like um latex or something i don't know i don't like it
00:13:25
Speaker
So I don't really care. i think that it looked fine in the show, but then I'm like, why did they decide to Be like, let's make it just like this cartoon instead of like, you know, why?
00:13:38
Speaker
Because hot toys, you know, the hot toy collectibles. Yeah, they made live-action version of Anakin and Obi-Wan back in the day, like I think around 2018 When they went to design the costume for the Ahsoka series, they didn't base it off of Attack of the Clones or even the Clone Wars.
00:13:56
Speaker
They based it off of that Hot Toys and you can literally see Shauna, the costume designer, holding that picture in the behind the scenes of Ahsoka. I mean, Shauna cooked on a lot of shows, but I don't know what happened behind the scenes of the Ahsoka series.
00:14:12
Speaker
Yeah, there's not some great ones. But like, to be fair to her, it's like, there should have been someone that because there's multiple people that worked on the Clone Wars that knew Dave Filoni himself knew these things.
00:14:26
Speaker
Someone could have said, hey, there's like a design language that we have here. So you don't have to invent this costume from scratch. I love this. We're going to sit here and contradict ourselves back and forth between characters.
00:14:39
Speaker
but Just put him in F tier. I don't care. I'm not like emotionally attached to it. So it's whatever. Well, um I'm very emotionally attached. That's okay. That's because we love Star Wars, so we get emotional about it.
00:14:51
Speaker
um Here's another character that I feel like slayed in live action. And I think going back to Teres Inube, Teres Inube would get the Zeb treatment in live action.
00:15:02
Speaker
I love Zeb in live action. Honestly, one of the characters I was, if not the character I was most worried about seeing translated into live action, but they actually didn't go the cheap route and they put the time and effort into making him look good, making him translate well.
00:15:21
Speaker
I know one of the big things is his eyes. We've seen Lesox in live action between Jaro T'Pol in Jedi Fallen Order, and he had creepy human eyes, which didn't match Zeb and Rebels, who just had like green sclera eyes and with a pupil and they did kind of a combination of the two with Zeb and I think it works extremely well for me Zeb is S tier I agree. I 100% agree. There's some things like his hands are different, but I think that that's because they obviously have to do motion capture with a human being, which is Steve Blum, the actor for Zeb in Rebels. Oh, didn't know that. I love that.
00:16:02
Speaker
Oh, you didn't know that? I didn't know he did. Did at least know he voiced him? Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. To be fair, it is easier to translate an animated character into CGI live action. like I think that that's why Tarasunube works so well. And then Zeb.
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, I was really surprised when we saw Zeb. I was like, okay, yeah, this is amazing. So I totally agree. And the way he just like creeped into the scene too and caught all off guard. And in The Mandalorian of all shows,
00:16:29
Speaker
I know. like Literally because they had no room for him and Ahsoka, apparently. So they were like, well, we have to get him in there somewhere. But it's okay. We know he's in season two. We know he's going to be in the Mandalorian and Grogu movie, which is crazy to me.
Ezra Bridger and the Grand Inquisitor: Praise and Criticism
00:16:42
Speaker
Like, if you told me 10 years ago when I was watching Rebels that Zeb would be a prominent character in a live-action Star Wars movie, I'd probably slap you in the face and be like, you're a fake time traveler.
00:16:54
Speaker
Yeah. it's the It's the world between worlds, it's not time travel. True. Well, this next one is, like you said, I'm going to contradict myself because Ezra, right?
00:17:07
Speaker
does he Does his costume look the same? No. Does the character look 100% like him?
00:17:15
Speaker
I don't know. I think i think some people think Amanis Fondi looks more like Ezra than I do. But here's the thing. For me, that makes Ezra at least tier. the performance.
00:17:26
Speaker
Amanis Fondi is Ezra. They literally found Ezra Bridger in real life and were like come play him here. So literally anything he does makes up for that, you know what I mean? Like his entire performance is so Ezra Bridger while also adding in that layer of like it's been 10 years and that's also another reason why i think you know they get away with costume and stuff and they had his Rebels version, that's the picture that's on this tier list,
00:17:52
Speaker
That is butt ugly. I'm sorry. yeah He's not meant to be that. Okay, good. Because I was going to say, i hate this Rebels jacket in live action.
00:18:03
Speaker
I don't know what it is. it It makes Amanis Fondi's head look very small and his body look very gigantic. And I'm like, did they just like put his head on a body? Is that even him?
00:18:15
Speaker
don't know. Right. Something about it doesn't look right. It's because he's meant to be 14-year-old, and they didn't get a different actor or anything. They just had Amonis Fondi play 14-year-old Ezra. Okay, I didn't even think about that part. So, yeah, that is a complete failure for me.
00:18:29
Speaker
um
00:18:32
Speaker
I mean, if we are talking and taking performance into it, definitely say A because it's not exact and it's not bad. It's actually very good. i think we need more, though.
00:18:45
Speaker
We've gotten so little. Yeah, but we know we're getting more and I'm excited. Like I said, Aman is funny. Like in terms of getting a new actor to play a character is definitely the best. Oh my God. Oh my God. Imagine remember when Star Wars found like unknown people and they created really great characters.
00:19:03
Speaker
Can I tell you a funny story about Amanis Fondi? It's our podcast, of course. I knew that he was playing Ezra Bridger before anybody else besides people that worked on Ahsoka and then a few other Star Wars creators.
00:19:18
Speaker
so basic Okay, I was going to say, ow. So basically at Star Wars Celebration, one of my friends was there at the Ahsoka panel. And this was like, they were like three weeks into filming season one or something like that.
00:19:31
Speaker
And basically the costume designer is sitting next to my friend and spills everything to him. Oh my God. I will not say who this friend is so I don't get them in trouble, but literally showed him a picture of Amanis Fondi. the The test footage that you see in the behind the scenes of Ahsoka. He saw that.
00:19:51
Speaker
And he saw Sabine. He saw that she had a Lothcat on her arm. Like he literally said all these things. He told me Ezra has a blue lightsaber in the Ahsoka series. And I was like, this guy's lying. And he said he told me Amanes Fondi was playing him. i look up Amanes Fondi.
00:20:05
Speaker
Dude's in like- like, who the fuck is that? Right. He's been in like one indie movie and he's like an aspiring musician. And I was like, okay, this guy looks like Ezra. But the reason I knew that it was correct is because I went to his following and mind you, he had 700 followers at the time.
00:20:24
Speaker
700 I go to his following he's following Natasha Leo Bordizo who plays Sabine in the show and they already announced that she was playing her so it was like oh shit, it's true and then i followed him on A week later, he was no longer following Natasha.
00:20:44
Speaker
And I like to think that he went to set someday and was like, Dave Filoni, who is this SWE Austin guy? Is he testing me? or like
00:20:54
Speaker
So yeah, that's my Amanis Fondi, Ezra Bridger story. I wonder if he remembers or knows, but I hope I didn't give him a heart attack. I mean, I'm sure he's doing just fine.
00:21:06
Speaker
ah Yeah, 100%. Well...
00:21:09
Speaker
well This brings us to, ah ah three like, how am I going to set this up? This brings us to, another character from star Wars rebels, um, who was played by someone completely different in live action.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yes. Played. Okay. yeah A little, a little silly, less um, fearsome. Yeah. and his head looked like a volleyball.
00:21:37
Speaker
So i Oh God, i kind of hate the Grand Inquisitor in live action. Why do not you even have to think about this? Like it's F tier at the end. It's the worst live action translation of all of them.
00:21:51
Speaker
It's the worst. It is pretty bad. It's the worst. There's... The character of the Grand Inquisitor and the other Powans literally are known for their elongated heads. They have very freakishly long heads.
00:22:06
Speaker
So why is the Grand Inquisitor in live action dressed like Humpty Dumpty? Or like you said, a volleyball. Like what the actual fuck? With makeup on, don't forget, because it didn't look like his skin. It looked like he got and did his eye makeup.
00:22:21
Speaker
Right, like his powdered wig like got on his face or something. like It's fucking atrocious. It's very bad. And I remember when they showed him in the trailer and it was like, oh. And we and he didn't they hadn't even CG'd his eyes or anything yet. We were like, oh my God, this But remember?
00:22:37
Speaker
Ugh. Remember when we saw him in the trailer the Grand Inquisitor and then everybody was like guys don't hold on he looks bad because He has to have stunt scenes in live-action and you can't have all this heavy prosthetic makeup if he's gonna have lightsaber duels and then they had no lightsaber duels.
00:22:56
Speaker
In fact they fucking killed him. Yeah, they killed a character that has a canonical death and then then yeah, of course they had write him back in but And the worst part about it is just like, why did they even include him at that point?
00:23:08
Speaker
Cause he served no, I guess it was just so they could be like Rivas, the new grand inquisitor for like three seconds. Right. I don't want to get into I'm not getting into the Kenobi series. this The Inquisitors. It's F tier.
00:23:22
Speaker
I don't know who saw this and was like, oh, absolutely. And you brought up how he's played by a different actor. Jason Isaacs voices him in Rebels and has long ass face.
00:23:32
Speaker
I don't mean to say that. like I'm not bullying him. But he has the Grand Inquisitor's head. And he's a live action actor as well. I'm sure it was scheduling conflicts. But like. And don't forget, don't forget, and I'll try to find it so we can put it in the video, the concept art of Jason Isaacs as a Grand Inquisitor in live action.
00:23:53
Speaker
yeah It exists. They've scrubbed it. They've scrubbed it from the internet at this point, but there's still a couple of places you can find it. And let me tell you, it looks way better than whatever that was in Kenobi.
00:24:06
Speaker
100% so moving on yeah moving on this next one is Hugh Ang the droid from Clone Wars you know this one's easy it's a droid all they had to do was build the droid in live action I'm sure there's someone out there like Cobalt who made this tier list shout out to Cobalt by the way thank you I got all my uh live action animation translation knowledge from Cobalt But <unk>m I'm sure there's like screws that are out of place or whatever on Hu Yang, but that looks like Hu Yang to me.
00:24:36
Speaker
Voiced by David Tennant. It's S tier by default. They didn't, that you can't even mess it up. Yeah, I thought he was done really well. And honestly, i would put him behind Bo-Katan. Mm-hmm true because think about the action that we had to like put it in actual order I know maybe we shouldn't do that for this episode. Maybe we should just Just put them up there unless you want to I'm down for whatever but I was only get more complicated I was only doing it because I thought you're gonna force me to so I was mentally preparing yeah because everyone knows in the other episodes I did force you to do that, but There's so many we'll just they're all on the same level We got to find some Bs and Cs in here.
00:25:18
Speaker
I know. Well, that's the thing. They're either completely horrible or like the best ever. You know what? We're getting to them. We're getting to them. That's true. That's true.
00:25:29
Speaker
This next one didn't start off in animation, but he's from a comic. Black Kersantan was in the Bounty Hunter comics and then moved into live action in a Book of Boba Fett.
00:25:39
Speaker
I remember being very interested about that. um Again, there's not much to like... It's not hard to translate. We know what Wookiees look and sound like in live action.
00:25:50
Speaker
And all you have to do is take the picture of him and make the costume of that. So like... I don't know. I don't have any gripes, so I guess that makes mess here, right? The hard part was out of the way is they've already done Wookiees in live action.
00:26:04
Speaker
So then they just had to make this Wookiee. And he's like a bulkier Wookiee. And he's got like some locks going on. He's got some cool armor going on. And they even did the scarring that he got in the comic. I think it's from Obi-Wan who gives him the scars on his head. correct. correct So I think that Black Crescenton was great and he looked very formidable.
00:26:25
Speaker
Completely different demeanor than like Chewbacca, obviously, who's more of like a fun-loving best friend. Black Crescenton, you look at him the wrong way, he'll literally pull your arm out. We saw it.
00:26:36
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I will say... I... I don't want to spend too much time on this character that ah obviously neither of us actually care that much about. But if I want to stay consistent with my logic, I might have to dock him down just because his story is not... They don't really take his comic backstory into account in the show because that's true they act like him and Boba Fett just met.
00:27:02
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As if you know what's they're not both on the cover of all these bounty hunter comics having missions together. like when boba fett says to him take it from me ex bounty hunter like bitch he knows that he fought alongside you and that's my issue with john favre bringing in these characters that he doesn't know nothing about he just sees the look of them and is like oh cool let's put him in there they're picking out of the action
Kanan and Chopper: Easter Eggs and Practical Effects
00:27:26
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figure toy box yeah put him in tier for that reason because you're right and they didn't give him really anything to do other than just be a brute exactly exactly
00:27:36
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I'm interested about this next one to hear what you think because I remember when Kanan first showed up and there was like this, well, when we watched the show, nobody saw Kanan. It wasn't until you saw online that someone zoomed in and saw that there was a picture of him on the dashboard.
00:27:53
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He is Freddie Prinze Jr. But what's funny about this picture is that when I first saw it, I thought that it was just like Sabine drew him or something.
00:28:05
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Because if you see, it's hard to tell, but he has like a beard, right? And then like his neck is under the beard. We only saw like a very blurry version of that. So what I saw was his beard was like the mouth.
00:28:18
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And then his neck was like this extremely pointed chin thing. Like he was fucking mega chin from Fairly Odd Turns. no, I can kind of see it. And so i was like, oh God, that's disgusting. And then they finally released it in HD. And I was like, oh, that was his beard, not his mouth.
00:28:37
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So i don't know. I don't know though, because Kanan isn't white. Yeah, that's that's my biggest thing is that Kanan is not a white man. And Freddie Prinze Jr. looks not even remotely close to the character.
00:28:52
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um But it's it's not horrible. It's kind of like a... It says its purpose. They were like, hey, we took the guy who voiced him and like photoshopped him as the character for this little Easter egg of a thing. And I'm like, it's it's fine. But like, obviously, if they brought him into live action, I want somebody who is not a white man and who looks somewhat like the character or at least embodies the character. Yeah.
00:29:22
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So, i mean, i guess this is like a neutral, like C tier. I was going to say, put it right in the middle. Yeah, see because it's like we can't judge it off of like a performance. We can't even judge it off of something like Terra Sanube, where you get an actual good look at this guy. Like this is literally meant to be a very pixelated thing. Like if they never released this HD version of it, we never even know. I'd still think that Sabine crudely drew him. yeah.
00:29:48
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With a, with a giant mouth and chin. So this next one is ah Soka Tano again. However, it's her clone wars, uh, I guess seasons one through.
00:30:04
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Three, five, one through three. It's kind of in the here's where it gets a little bit funky because they went with her Tales of the Jedi updated outfit. So, yeah, I guess it's Clone Wars seasons one through three.
00:30:16
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And i like it's tough because I like the way she looks a lot. I hate that she doesn't reverse grip her lightsaber because Soka was very obnoxiously reverse gripping. Like she looked fucking weird, especially with her one lightsaber, especially in those first few seasons of the clone wars.
00:30:37
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Um, I hate the head piece because it looks like it was made out of foam. Um, and the characterization, if we were ever going to get snarky, a Soka, it should have been this one. And I get that it's like in the show, it's supposed to be older Ahsoka, like yeah mentally as the character, like in this vision Yeah, like she's playing Rosario's Ahsoka, who is playing Ashley Eckstein's Ahsoka. Like it's a whole, it's a whole thing.
00:31:09
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Is she really? she She's trying, she is, that is her attempt. Whether she is doing it good or not is a whole different conversation. But the attempt is to be Ashley Eckstein's animated Ahsoka in live action.
00:31:23
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That's their do intent. Would you want to tell me your thoughts or do you want to know where I want to put I mean, i don't know where to put it. i don't I feel so complicated with her. What's her name again who plays the character? Ariana Greenblatt.
00:31:38
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Ariana Greenblatt. She's a fantastic actress. I don't know if she was the right choice for Ahsoka. Might be a hot take. I know people really like seeing a younger Ahsoka because it highlights the fact that Ahsoka was a child soldier and in the animated show she looks a little older.
00:31:59
Speaker
But do you not think that she looks extremely young in the show? Like a little too young? Because there was like rumors of another actress. There was an actress from the House of the Dragons show that was rumored to play Ahsoka.
00:32:11
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um't know her name. Maybe you do. You were House the Dragons fan.
00:32:17
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It don't matter. We'll yeah put it into the editing. there was There was multiple actresses that were supposed to play her, but you're right. um like i want I didn't want an adult. like I don't think Zendaya should have been playing her. like I know that's a popular fan cast. That's just because she's well-known.
00:32:33
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Yeah, but like, I don't think like, um I'm sorry, but Ariana looked like a 12 year old. And then especially once you're getting into, well, we'll talk about Siege of Mandalore Ahsoka later, but I don't know. and And then at the same time too, you already have to take into account that they have to make this not only look like Clone Wars Ahsoka, but it has to fall in line with the horrible design decisions they've made for live action Ahsoka.
00:32:56
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So like her Leku, her Montraux never even stood a chance. And in fact, it's fucking hilarious because if we're following the animation logic ah logic of the Leku, she should practically be bald in these flashbacks. So I don't know. i I'm a huge fan of it. And to me, i think she's better than Rosario, but I don't really see her being higher than like C tier.
00:33:27
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I was thinking B because I like the outfit a lot. The outfit was good, and like you said, they took her out of the Bando. Well, I guess Tales of the Jedi technically did that first, but it's a good retcon for sure.
00:33:41
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i don't hate B. I think B. you Now, and you'll see why when we get down the line. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We'll save that for later. Make sure to keep watching and subscribe as well if you're not already.
00:33:57
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Chopper, again, it's a droid. Like they literally, there's there's not much you can go wrong with. Just put the droid into live action. They started in Rogue One.
00:34:08
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There's a whole story about it where they actually, because on the Star Wars, did you ever watch the Star Wars show back in the day? No, I was too busy binge drinking and clubbing in my early 20s.
00:34:21
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Well, I was busy being a 14-year-old that was obsessed with making facts on Instagram and took up all the behind-the-scenes stuff I could. The Star Wars show, for those that don't know, it's like a news show. They did it every week to tell you this is what's going on with Star Wars. There were skits. There's really charismatic hosts. it's It's literally what they do is like the shorts now, like This Week in Star Wars or whatever they call it.
00:34:43
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But it was like a whole production. They had a set, they had an interview every week. It was really good show. And one of their reoccurring segments was Chopper because they had a chopper that would go around the Lucasfilm set.
00:34:54
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And it's not the most technologically advanced thing. It's like pretty much just a puppet. But they put that into Rogue One. You can see him in the background on Yavin 4, which is really cool.
00:35:07
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And then obviously when they went to make Ahsoka, they made an actual droid that you can put up close on camera that looks like an actual droid. So yeah, long story short, tier, and I kind of have a little bit of an emotional attachment to live action chopper. So... Which is hilarious because live action chopper is so not as exciting as Rebels chopper when it comes to the way he is portrayed.
00:35:34
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However, we did see some concept art of him with a giant blaster for Ahsoka season two. Oh, we need to emphasize it wasn't just like if you're imagining this picture, it's not just a blaster.
00:35:46
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Imagine Chopper holding like a fucking AK-47. That is the vibe that they had going in that concept art. So I'm very excited for that. i I like Chopper and I'm glad that they went and built like a full model of him. My favorite thing about live action chopper is when his head goes back and forth like that, like how it actually does in um in animation. And even my stepdad was like, ah that drawer is kind of weird.
00:36:13
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It's not like R2D2. And I was like, it's actually um a C series. And that's why it's completely different. And I got into the way technical bullshit about it. I like Chopper 2. This is not really about the translation or anything, but ah you can understand his dialogue if you like pay attention. yeah it's a lot more understandable.
00:36:36
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Because Dave Filoni records the dialogue. He's the voice of Chopper and then they muffle it. But you can literally see like, I'm pretty sure there's moments where he literally cusses. Well, yeah. You know, now that Dave Filoni is live action actor, um because, you know, he's Trapper Wolf. He was like, oh, let me actually, let me act now. I'm an actor now, so I'm going to do real lines.
00:36:58
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oh I know. And now he's the fucking villain of the Mandalorian and Groguen movie. So and and multiple ways, both on screen and behind. Yeah.
00:37:11
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Well, this next one is a character that I don't think anybody cares about. um Senator Ziono, Kaz's dad from Resistance. Shout out Resistance fans. They might care about him.
00:37:23
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Well, they probably definitely didn't care for this adaptation. These two characters don't look alike at all. No, they gave him a glow up. Yeah, there's like nothing resembling him to the point where it almost feels like it was after the fact that they were like, oh, I guess we can make a little connection there after they've already casted him, after they already designed the costume, the hair.
00:37:45
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Like, okay, I guess. This is funny because i I like the way this Senator Ziono looks a lot better than the like I mean it's better for sure but in terms of the translation would never know yeah they don't look honestly Senator Ziono in Resistance looks like an old fat white Imperial officer which kind of makes sense with the characterization we had of him in the Ahsoka series exactly um but this guy's a little more posh
00:38:17
Speaker
Yeah. And also, fuck how he treated Hera. Yeah, he was nasty to Hera. Yeah. I don't know. like I don't want to say F tier because I don't even care about the character enough to care enough to put him in F tier.
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah, I guess just put him behind Ahsoka. He's whatever. Yeah, D tier. All right. So here's a fan favorite though, Captain Rex. And famously, you can see me on YouTube crying when he pops up in the Siege of Mandalore and says, come on, come on, let's go. i don't know why it really hit me in the feels.
00:38:54
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um We mentioned Cobalt earlier and both them and all the other people that are really into the clone armor. I've seen them tear apart this live action Rex. Yeah. Talking about how inaccurate it is. so It doesn't really bother me to be completely honest.
00:39:10
Speaker
I think it's fine. It conveys Rex to me. And so I'm cool with it. I mean, like in, in terms of that, like, yes, he conveys the character. So I don't think he's like tier D tier even, but I don't think he's any higher than that. I'd, I'd honestly put him in D tier.
00:39:27
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Um, i It's not like I... Yeah. yeah Okay. It's not like i you know, I'm a super big Rex fan where know all the armor inconsistencies, but like his elbow pieces are on backwards.
00:39:43
Speaker
Okay. This isn't even a matter of, but that's not, that's not even a matter of the costume people. That's a matter of them not caring enough to even put on the costume properly.
00:39:54
Speaker
The person that put on that costume didn't even care enough to follow the fucking logic of the person that actually designed live action Captain Rex. To have whole pieces on backwards, it's ridiculous. There's also some very muddy things behind the scenes for why they didn't really do good with that entire sequence, but especially a lot of the armor.
00:40:16
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It's because it was done in a very short amount of time. That's basically the story there. They... I don't want to get into it, but that's that's basically the story they had like a week to record that entire sequence but it it Definitely looked like it by the amount of smoke that was in the scenes Honestly, i i don't I don't I kind of think it's similar to Kanan where like is there really much to it?
00:40:42
Speaker
Is there much to go off of? who second scene He pops up on the screen to be like hey, there's Rex and then he's basically gone Yeah, like I'm sure if they brought him back for a bigger role, like they're going to update the costume and stuff. But, well yeah, I'm thinking, I don't know.
00:40:58
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I don't think D tier, because you're right. That's why i just said the C. It's just like, yep, there's Rex, cool. But, like, that's not, he's not giving us a monologue or something to the troops. You know what I mean? And if we see Rex in live action, I just want to see old man Rex played by Tamora Morrison.
00:41:15
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I know. And Tamora Morrison wants to play him so bad, he's practically begging at this point. So what the fuck is going on? but Okay. You remember this character's name?
00:41:26
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Do you? Yeah, Kel. I wanted to show you that I knew. Oh, shit. My bad.
00:41:39
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So this next character is
Jai Kel and Ryder Azadi: Ethnicity and Appearance Issues
00:41:42
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Kel. hell i don't think anybody really knows who he is besides me a huge star wars rebels fan this is another one where it's they clearly casted the character they clearly made a costume they clearly wrote a whole scene where he was next rider is oddy and then they're like oh We can make him Jai Kel.
00:42:01
Speaker
He looks nothing like him at all. Completely different ethnicity, completely different everything. Different hair. The costume doesn't even fall in line. I'm almost like, um don't think that character would have like any authority over Lothal. Oh my God. Any sort of authoritative position.
00:42:17
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You know what it was giving? That scene. What? It was giving Daddy Ryder Izadi and his twink. um that's ah That's what they were giving, Twink and Daddy.
00:42:29
Speaker
um But like not in a cool way, like not in a fun way. It was just like, yeah you're right who Who is that guy? And it's just like... Party City costume kind of way too. No, I don't think the costume looks bad. it just has nothing to do with the character really at all. i' I don't think the costumes look bad. This goes for all of Ahsoka. They don't look bad. You know what the issue is?
00:42:52
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They're not worn. They're not weathered. They look like they just came out the packaging. Like that, that, like I look at those costumes and that's why I feel like it's such a party city vibe because it's brand new packaging. You know what I mean?
00:43:05
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They got this out of the same closet as Bo-Katan's Mando season two wig. Exactly. Exactly. The same middle school theater department closet. So I don't know. It's like, it's another thing where it's like, I don't really care about that character enough to feel like offended or anything.
00:43:21
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I mean, it's the same as Senator Ziono. Senator Kel, Senator Ziono, D tier. D tier. Very true. Because it's whatever, but like not even close.
00:43:32
Speaker
Yeah. Well, why don't you talk about daddy the brute to match the twink? So here we have, a i guess he's still governor, Ryder Izadi, governor of Lothal, and played by his voice actor Clancy Brown, who, fun fact, also voices Savage Opress, which I never put together until recently.
00:43:53
Speaker
And it was only because somebody had it spelled out on a post or something. Like, ah it it never clicked in my head that they were the same voice. But when you watch now... Yeah, tons of people. He's that one. I don't know the species name. and Mando.
00:44:07
Speaker
Yeah. The devil. The species name. Yeah, the devil guy. God, killing We see species in A New Hope. That's, that we yeah, maybe we are fake fans. oh I think it's Deveronians.
00:44:18
Speaker
Okay, well, hopefully I'll fact check you. Please do. And then put text on the screen when it's wrong. You know who else? He voiced, not a Star Wars character, but he's Mr. Krabs.
00:44:31
Speaker
wow yeah come on range yeah he's he's a he's a great voice actor so yeah it was cool to see him in the role but he looks nothing like him not at all they didn't even try it with the beard because rider azadi has a really like long but then like flared beard and you could have did something like that in live action i feel like he has chops and then like a goatee He looks the way that I thought that Kanan looked in that picture with this giant mega chin and rebels.
00:45:05
Speaker
And then here we are. It's just a normal guy. He's also way older than I think Ryder is meant to be. Like, I know Ryder's meant to be white, but yeah I don't think he's meant to be like... I think he's just somebody that grew out white hair earlier. He never cared to dye it. He never cared to shave it. He just...
00:45:24
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was in his 40s being like, all right, we got white hair, kind of like James Gunn. Well, Ryder or Zoddy, I think, i I almost want to say it's like kind of the same as Ahsoka Clone Wars live action, where it's like, it's it's fine.
00:45:41
Speaker
He is the character. He's not egregious. He does more than just show up. Yeah, and if they're going cast somebody that doesn't look like the character, I'd rather them cast the person that voiced the character before than someone who didn't and then also doesn't look like him at all.
00:45:59
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You know what i mean? Yeah, because then you'd end up in D tier like Senator Ziono and Senator Kel. Yeah, I think B tier makes sense. i' Even C tier, I feel like it's like a the negatives, the positives, it just kind of levels out.
00:46:15
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It only wins for me because it's the actor. Yeah. Oh, I guess. All right. B tier. This next one's going to be a fun conversation. It is because this whole time how I've been saying they seem to have cast a character, designed a character, and then after the fact realized they could connect it.
Saw Gerrera and Hera: Evolution and Design Flaws
00:46:36
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That is actually what happened with Saw Gerrera. That's a 100% confirmed fact that Forest Whitaker was not cast to play that twink from the Clone Wars. And he's hot in the Clone Wars. Saw Gerrera and the Clone Wars with them teal eyes and like the braids, he's Yeah.
00:46:53
Speaker
They've had to do a lot of creative polling, creative liberty to connect these two characters into one. And I'm still not even convinced.
00:47:05
Speaker
No, not at all. But at the same time, it's like, would I want anybody else playing Saw Gerrera? No. Well, that's the thing. like this version Saw. Forrest Whitaker. Yeah, Forrest Whitaker has become Saw Gerrera.
00:47:18
Speaker
The Saw Gerrera in the Clone Wars, like he has... gone past that. Saw Gerrera's had the time to develop and to become more of a character. And he wasn't a huge character to begin with. Exactly. we get the Onderon arc, and now we've had him in like the Bad Batch.
00:47:34
Speaker
But we've gotten Saw first in Rogue One. And now in Andor season one and two, and he's just become so much more than what that character was in the Clone Wars. But also they've kind of, they've gone like back and forth with the retcon. They like retconned it to live action, but then they've kind of retconned the live action saw into the animated saw.
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think I think the weirdest part for me though is I'm i'm cool with like the Clone Wars animation that looks nothing like Forest Whitaker But the rebels Forest Whitaker saw Especially with those like light green eyes where it's supposed to be in between between like teal and like natural green eyes it' just looks really weird to me.
00:48:18
Speaker
i don't know. Yeah, but I like saw Yeah, he's so he's a different case that I don't know if there's a tear to put him in and i I think that, and this might sound inconsistent, and this might sound like we don't really give a fuck, but I think that we can put him higher simply because of his aura, simply because he's proven that he can he he's evolved and become something more. Whereas like a lot of these characters, the differences don't make them better. They make them worse. They seem like shells of these characters. But like you said, Saw wasn't even a big character to begin with.
00:48:57
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He's eclipsed live action saw has eclipsed animated saw that was the word I was trying to get the whole time. yeah And i don't want to necessarily put him in S tier because it is completely that different, but tier.
00:49:14
Speaker
yeah tier, for sure. A tier, yeah. like He doesn't look like the character, but I feel like, and and we've been doing this this entire tier list. There's different things that we can take into account that uplift a character more than others. you know Well, it's our tier list in our podcast. Willing to the past Bo-Katan's wig.
00:49:33
Speaker
Exactly. exactly we just We just ignore that and pretend it didn't happen because the sleigh of the season three wig, like it's it's eclipsed the season two wig. Yes.
00:49:44
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And Quantic Dream is not involved. Thank God.
00:49:50
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Well, this next one hasn't actually appeared in a show, a movie, or anything, but he's an animatronic at Disneyland, Disney World, at Galaxy's Edge. Hondo Onaka. Oh, I love Hondo.
00:50:03
Speaker
I love the character so much. I love the way he um toys with Redemption sometimes and then walks it back. I love it. I love a little... Character that you don't know where the fuck they lie in that moment. It's brilliant, but that's got nothing to do with his look I mean They have Jim Cummings still voicing him He looks like hondo Is it not s tier like I once again, i think this character benefits from not having you know a bunch of a person Yeah, like he doesn't he doesn't have any appearances or anything
00:50:39
Speaker
which is which is interesting because i'm like other alien characters are done so well like think of vain yeah i think he has done so well with the prosthetics that they have done for that character and it may be because of what they have to do with those prosthetics i don't know if if like a a hondo could look good with the live action person in prosthetics?
00:51:05
Speaker
Maybe, but I think they could. I mean, I don't think the animatronic like doesn't, I think someone could play. In fact, they have had an actual person play Hondo in some of the like recordings. Like, you know, when there's like a little recording, like, Oh, we're going to pilot the Falcon. That's an actual person.
00:51:24
Speaker
So it works. It's possible. And it looks exactly like the animatronic. I'm going to be completely honest, though. I don't love the animatronic. Really? Like, just the way he moves? Like, it feels unnatural? or No, I don't like the way he looks. It's giving, like, oh Hondo as Jimmy Buffett.
00:51:42
Speaker
Oh, it's a little older because you have to remember it's sequel trilogy Hondo. I know. i Like 30 years after the Clone Wars Hondo. Like not 10 years, it's years.
00:51:54
Speaker
It's fun. I just don't love it. I feel like makes sense they do this they're doing this weird thing with some aliens where they make their skin a little more pale as they age up and also because the things are brighter in animation.
00:52:06
Speaker
But he just looks oddly pale to me. i don't know. It's fine. It's whatever. i would say or B. or B. Okay. I think I personally would have put him in S tier.
00:52:22
Speaker
So I think that's a good compromise. Okay. Well. This is going to be an easy one. i won't have to question. yeah Mary Elizabeth Winstead Hera.
00:52:36
Speaker
tier. Yeah, um it's not. I don't think she really embodies the character. and unfortunately, hopefully it's better in season two um with Rosario.
00:52:50
Speaker
her designs gotten better over time. I hope Harris design gets better, but it's like pretty bad to start with. Yeah, let's talk about some of the flaws the makeup looks very flat It looks like just a woman that was painted in face paint. Yeah, it's horrible blush Yeah, horrible, weird weird makeup like there's it's horrible We've had our makeup artist friend crystal kyber explain this to us a hundred times like it's It's not good at all.
00:53:17
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I don't like the costume either, really. The Leku are horrible. There's so many scenes where you just see them like a little spring in the back. Like wiggling and shit. Yeah. and you mentioned Party City costumes before. Hera's a Party City costume.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yes. I also don't like I mean, i guess there's only so much you could do, but I don't like that you can tell that they wanted to save money on the green face paint. So they covered her entire body in clothing.
00:53:45
Speaker
She's wearing gloves. She's wearing high boots. She's wearing like they have her entire body covered. Like even her fucking neck. There's no, Chaz, no nothing. And that's not a horrible thing, but it's just one of those things where you can tell like, okay.
00:54:00
Speaker
I see you were trying to cut a corner there with some, with some budget. Well, you know, it's funny then they should have spent more time on her makeup, on her skin that we should see if they were only going to show some of it. And at this point, everybody's seen wicked.
00:54:12
Speaker
Every time I look at Elphaba, like Cynthia Erivo's makeup has dimension in it. And she has like tones that fit her skin like if you're gonna give her a highlight make it yeah more yellowy don't make it fucking pink like the one i think is more flesh toned and right green green skin if that's her flesh then she needs to have something that is more of a highlight to her tone of skin Yeah.
00:54:40
Speaker
Yeah. I don't, I don't like it at all. I F tier. We already said that. Yeah. Hopefully it just continues to get better. The thing is I learned this from James Gunn. Second time I mentioned him.
00:54:54
Speaker
Um, when he did the guardians of the galaxy movies, there was Gamora who is green. She's a darker green, yeah but she looks really good. But Drax, another character, he's the one that's played by Dave Bautista, the big one.
00:55:07
Speaker
Um, yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be green. His comic character is green, but they made him gray because green is really hard to pull off and make it look realistic. Like you just have to put so much into it, which brings me to the question, which I'm surprised I haven't said this yet.
00:55:22
Speaker
If you can't, If there's things holding back the character from at least being somewhat like the animated counterpart, why are we putting them in live action? It's my biggest thing with Ahsoka.
00:55:33
Speaker
if you If there's all these obstacles in the way where you can't have her like like this, you can't have her... You can't... have a backwards grip because it's unrealistic, then why is is that character in live action?
00:55:45
Speaker
Why did that character not stay in animation where they were already thriving, where they were already perfect? It's just something that irks me so bad. Ooh. And the last thing I'm going to say about Hera is we already saw one good live action interpretation in squadrons. We did.
00:56:00
Speaker
We did. And it's completely different. It's clearly nothing like that Party City, Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Yeah. Well, I think we can move on from her. Let's talk about her son, her terrifying child that was in Star Wars Rebels. When we saw that kid, i was like, oh, God, they? Do you know who it looked like?
00:56:22
Speaker
You know what he looks like in Rebels? Those little people in like Super Smash. um The little, like I don't know what they're called, but the little like people. I think I know what you're talking about. I'll definitely put up a picture of what you're talking about.
00:56:38
Speaker
I don't know what they're called, but that's what he looks like. It was an abomination in animation. and Come on. And the weirdest part was we've seen cut Laquain's kids. Yeah.
00:56:49
Speaker
Exactly. And they didn't look like that. They obviously knew that, well, actually, no, they didn't know that. I was going to say they obviously knew that they were going to have them in live action. But from what we know about behind the scenes, that's not the case. Rebels was supposed to be continued in an animated show.
00:57:06
Speaker
It was not supposed to be live action. So I don't know what the choice was to make him human. But in terms of the live action translation, they had to work with what they had.
00:57:17
Speaker
I think they did a really good job in not making this kid look like a fucking freak accident. Like he looks way better in live action. he has his actual character. I really like his character. I'm excited for the future of that character.
00:57:33
Speaker
um me too. thinking you Oh, okay, good. For a second, your face looked like you did not agree with a single word i was saying. No, because I was thinking of the potential for the character because Jason Syndulla has so much potential and it's a situation where it's a character who didn't get much in animation so they can kind of go anywhere with him in live action.
00:57:53
Speaker
And while we got more with Saw, I think it could be a situation like Saw Gerrera where like live action Jason Syndulla, there's just so much that could happen. and And like seeing, like watching skeleton crew and how much we love the dynamics of the kids in that show and thinking about this kid and what he could do, even with just a little hint of force sensitivity we've gotten just in the Ahsoka series.
00:58:15
Speaker
There's so much cool stuff that they can do with Jason. And on top of that, he does not look like a little white child. Yeah. He actually has, like, a darker skin tone, which matches Kanan's skin tone. Yeah. No, they actually got an actual Mexican actor to play him. like oh I didn't know he was Hispanic.
00:58:31
Speaker
Yeah, they actually highlighted that. Like, they actually showed that, yeah, Kanan was indeed Mexican because his kid is Mexican. And it didn't come from Hera. So... another thing that i don't like though is that they did not commit to the green in his ears they just put his they made his hair long enough to cover his ears i'm like come on you you dave for you made the absurd decision to make him have half green ears in star wars rebels don't pussy out and cover his ears up in live action
00:59:04
Speaker
Okay. You know what I like about that though? What? I like the fact that they didn't necessarily commit to a certain look because what I honestly would like is if he had a full head of hair and also had Leku.
00:59:19
Speaker
Really? you think that's a possibility that he could grow Leku? I think so, why not? Maybe that's why he has that long hair. Like if you shave it, you just see a little. I know, I'm ah almost wondering if he is like, if they'd be maybe like a little bit smaller or if they would just take longer to form.
00:59:35
Speaker
and But I think that would be really fun. I feel like we've seen and maybe a comic or something like a Twi'lek with like scruffy hair or something on top. And I think that could look really cool if done well.
00:59:48
Speaker
In my head, it works. Like with Cut Laquane's kids, when we see them in Bad Batch, they look more like Twi'leks almost. Like as if when they got older, they start to like their Twi'lek side starts to show. They're like those Animorph books where the the human morphs into the animal.
01:00:07
Speaker
Those to terrify me. I'd be at the book fair be like, get that shit away from me. And I was reading all the Star Wars encyclopedias. I was reading Origami Yoda. I don't know if you ever saw that book, but now I loved that book.
01:00:23
Speaker
um Where to put Jason though? I don't know. Cause it's like another case where it kind of like with Saw where it was like, does he look like the character hundred percent? No, but they've made changes. They've turned him into an actual character that it's like, you can't even really be mad at it.
01:00:40
Speaker
I kind of want to put him in tier. Is that bad? is that bad No, I think that works. Like I, Jason wasn't even a fucking character in rebels. He was a stand in. You know what? Do we want to go with our logic and put them in like B tier should we just put them in a cause we just like the live action design so much.
01:01:01
Speaker
I think we should be, put him in A. I think we should be assholes and be like, well, we like his vibes, so. Yeah, his vibes are really cool and we think we would like get along really well, so.
01:01:16
Speaker
Perfect, well. Wow, we had all these Ahsoka characters in a row, it looks like. And we're gonna continue having them. That's because the premise of that show is bringing characters from animation into live action.
01:01:27
Speaker
but For better or for worse. Sabine. So I almost feel like I forgot how I felt about her until now when I'm looking at this picture. i remember not liking this.
01:01:40
Speaker
I remember when they first announced Natasha, i was like, is that really the best choice? To me, it was like they were like, and I don't know like as a white person, like I even have the jurisdiction to say that, but it was almost like they were like, well,
01:01:56
Speaker
she's asian and sabine is asian so let's make it happen even though and my opinion they're very clearly two different types of asians like they like sabine's skin is much darker than natasha's so that's one thing add into the fact that the party city costume bullshit oh my god the wigs that she had to wear in that show even the long-haired one The long-haired one was crunchy looking. That needed some moisture. some Yeah, conditioner or something. But I get it. you know She can't put that much conditioner in because she has that bright hair dye. It's going to just all wash out.
01:02:34
Speaker
That's a lie because you should only be it you shouldn't be shampooing it a ton. So she could use plenty of conditioner. So me Sabine, I actually like her costume. Really?
01:02:48
Speaker
I actually do like her costume, and I know it's completely different than all the other live-action Mandalorians, but I do like her costume. um I don't think with the skin tone issue that you brought up, Imanis Fondi is darker than Ezra, and we have no problem with that.
01:03:04
Speaker
I like Natasha as Sabine. But there's like like there's there's a difference like Sabine in animation was meant to be like Southeast Asian, like almost Indian type. Like that is what behind the scenes. That's what they intended for the character.
01:03:19
Speaker
Okay. So that makes sense as to why people are like saying the voice actress. What is her name? Tia Sakaar. Yeah. Mm hmm. that they've really wanted her to play her in live action. And I'm sure she would have did a great job.
01:03:30
Speaker
Um, I like Natasha as Sabine. I think she does a good job. but My issue is the hair. The hair is horrible and is a crunchy and dries. Long hair looks the short hair is horrible.
01:03:44
Speaker
It's worse. I think, I think they should have just said, Natasha girl, we're cutting your hair and we're dying it purple. Yeah, I know what what happened to actors and actresses that shave their fucking head? Yeah, shout out Natalie Portman, V for Vendetta, going to like the Revenge of the Sith premiere with a shaved ass head.
01:04:04
Speaker
The one I think about, how many times am I going to bring up Guardians of the Galaxy today? um The actress for Nebula, Kareth Gillan, she shaved her head.
01:04:15
Speaker
And mind you, they put makeup and everything over her head. She didn't have to do that, but she was so committed to the role, especially because like the character, like her whole thing is like having body modifications that she didn't want.
01:04:26
Speaker
So I'm sure like put her more into character or whatever, but I'm like, wait, why couldn't Natasha cut her hair? You're you were just cast into Star Wars. What do you imagine? It'll grow back.
01:04:37
Speaker
Imagine her actually cutting her hair, like starting those scenes with the long hair like she does in the show, but actually cutting
Sabine's Portrayal: Costume Concerns?
01:04:46
Speaker
the hair. I almost feel like that would help her get more into the character if we want to think about it in like a method acting kind of way like Severing the ties and moving forward.
01:04:55
Speaker
Um Well, we've already kind of discussed how we both feel separately now The question is where are we going to put her because I feel like you're gonna say D and I don't agree with that. You're a hundred percent, right?
01:05:07
Speaker
D tier is exactly what I think I don't know like Her costume looks very cheap and not like just in the sense of like the entire show looked cheap. Like her costume looks homemade.
01:05:19
Speaker
And I never got that vibe from Rebels. Her armor does look less almost less i don't want to say thick like it doesn't look as in for general like it just doesn't yeah it doesn't look as protective her body as much like it doesn't look as protective as like Bo-Katan's like just even looking at them on this list Bo-Katan looks like she could kill you and Sabine looks like she would just be like paintball yeah we can do like right
01:05:49
Speaker
Or yeah, like honestly though if I was playing paintball I would much rather be in Bo-Katan's outfit because that shit hurts. Yeah, 100% Well, where do you, if this was your tier list, like take my opinion out of it, where would you put Sabine?
01:06:06
Speaker
i Maybe B. So I guess we could put her in c Yeah, I mean, that's 50-50. So, not B. C. Samin's going in C. Oh, God. Does this mean I have to introduce the next one?
01:06:24
Speaker
i mean i think so i lost track of who's introducing him so you you go right ahead well as much as i like clone wars season one through three live action ahsoka i hate siege of mandalore um ahsoka and live action because ah thought you know those animation i was like whoa hot take No, I hate the Leku because of the way they like curl out.
01:06:48
Speaker
I don't know whose choice that was, but it looks dumb as fuck. um You want to talk about Party City? This isn't even Party City. Her armored dress looks like it's one of those like children's nightgowns that's supposed to look like superhero armor. True.
01:07:06
Speaker
But it's the only costume in Ahsoka, when I noticed this, I couldn't unnotice it. It's the only one that is weathered. It's the only one that looks worn. Like, there's dirt and stuff on it. It looks like, for me, it doesn't have that same Party City cheap look. But like you said, it almost, like, it does feel like a dress-up.
01:07:26
Speaker
And then you take into account, like, the headband and shit. Like, it, does not look, it does not look. Does not look like it came from a a hundred million dollar show. No, not at all. This, I mean, cosplays are like leagues better than this.
01:07:43
Speaker
Yeah. And they don't have the budget that Disney has. And this is what they came up with. Like I said, i actually like the other Ariana Greenblatt Ahsoka. Hate this one for me.
01:07:56
Speaker
I'm going to be nasty and I'm go say F tier. F tier? I don't know if I could go that far, but I i was thinking D tier, to be honest.
01:08:08
Speaker
um F tier, because if if for me, I don't really separate the two, like season one and Season one through three and then season seven in terms of live action i don't separate Ariana Greenblatt's performances in my mind.
01:08:23
Speaker
So like if her first performance is in B then I feel like It really can't be any lower than like D tier You know what we can put it in D because I think she actually had some good lightsaber Choreography when she did siege of Mandalore and I was like wow, she clearly lost it as an adult True and i will never get over This is the siege of Mandalore.
01:08:49
Speaker
This is the Clone Wars. Like, oh my God. And now she's gonna say, this is heroes on both sides. Like, come on. Is that what this is about? The dialogue so bad, but I guess that's not what we're talking about.
01:09:05
Speaker
This character. This next character, I'm not going to lie, I feel like he slips through the cracks. Like, people don't talk about him for some reason in terms of, like, the conversation of bad live-action translations.
01:09:21
Speaker
I don't like live-action Thrawn. You wanna talk about wearing an outfit, like making it look worn? and They tried with this. They tried. They put like a hole right here.
01:09:35
Speaker
Very minimally. And honestly, the hole was probably from a cigarette Lars was smoking on break. i They were like, well, I guess it works. The face paint, like it's very similar to Hera's to me where it's like it just doesn't look real.
01:09:52
Speaker
They put this weird like pink around his eyes. like He almost looks like he got pink eye it's It's bad. ahead. so ahead i'm I'm talking too much. You go ahead.
01:10:05
Speaker
I am very happy that they committed to CG'ing his eyes because that was one of the biggest things I was worried about and that was another thing I want to say they hadn't finished CG on his eyes um when they released maybe it was at celebration footage that they hadn't like finished it yet and either way cell phone footage like it was no real way to tell you know that's true you're right so I'm so glad that they had that And I love that it's Lars Mikkelsen because honestly, he's the only he's the only person that's like portrayed Thrawn.
01:10:40
Speaker
True. Because Thrawn before this was just in books and I guess some comics. But like he is the only person to portray the character.
01:10:52
Speaker
And I love that he was able to come back because he's like a super A-list celebrity or not celebrity, but like actor. least in Denmark, yeah. And he's done tons of acting.
01:11:03
Speaker
And so to get him to sign on to this quirky Star Wars project, I'm surprised they got him to come back. But I'm thankful. However, the outfit is rough.
01:11:15
Speaker
The face paint is rough. I almost think if he was an older and had natural like hollowing to his face, he would look just as flat as Mary Elizabeth Winstead.
01:11:25
Speaker
i Think only because he's older that it works a tiny bit more. What's egregious is the wig He's got a horrible wig to the Ahsoka series clearly had no budget for wigs at all Disney as a company for some reason has like really really bad wigs I don't understand what you know why they need to hire drag artists to come lay these fucking wigs down or just really alien characters. Yes,
01:11:52
Speaker
or at least just buy the wigs from like professional wig makers. And I'm not talking like Broadway. I'm talking about like some little twink who lives in Utah that makes wigs for all the drag race girls. Like I can't,
01:12:08
Speaker
Yeah, like it it almost feels like they're not even committed to making it look real. No. i feel I still feel conflicted about Lars, and I think I need to see what he looks like when they actually put effort into his makeup and costume him and things like that.
01:12:26
Speaker
Because I do think he looks a little old. I don't know how old Thrawn's supposed to be. I don't think he's supposed to be, like, any younger than 40. Well... But, like...
01:12:38
Speaker
He looks rough. And the problem is, i hate to be this person, but we just have to say it. They didn't make Lars do anything to get in any kind of shape to play the character. And that's the unfortunate part, because do I think, like, you need to you need to go work out. I mean, then again, they did make Mark Hamill and carriery Fisher. They made Carrie Fisher.
01:12:59
Speaker
Like, if we that's another episode where we we could talk about the horrible things they did to Carrie Fisher during the sequel trilogy, but that's a whole different episode.
01:13:09
Speaker
So, like, I wouldn't necessarily, like you said, it's a complicated thing. I don't want them to go be like, Lars Mikkelsen, you are an older man. You to lose 50 pounds, please. Go in that gym six days Yeah, like, I don't love that. However... But, like, you know, like...
01:13:26
Speaker
He still has like he has to play a character. like it's the Star Wars is bigger than Lars Mikkelsen. It's like, again, if he can't look like the character, then why is he playing him?
01:13:39
Speaker
But here's the thing. Thrawn can be done really well in live action. This just wasn't the best interpretation, I think. And on top of that... I'd much rather him have the voice than the look. I wouldn't want them to get...
01:13:52
Speaker
you know Benicio del Toro or something like even though we're fucking Benedict Cumberbatch right yeah za oh my god I remember when people were fan casting Robert Downey jr. jr. oh junior ah god oh god yeah I don't know it's it's one of those things where like I I feel like I made it sound like i was not a fan of like Lars Mikkelsen's performance or anything like that. Like, like I said, i would much rather him have the voice, the mannerisms, like he feels like Thrawn in those moments. The only thing that like really holds him back, I think is the writing because he's meant to be like this super elaborate, smart villain, but you're super elaborate, smart villain can only be as smart and elaborate as your writer. And when your only writer is Dave Filoni,
01:14:43
Speaker
Good luck, but like oh my god imagine Lars Mikkelsen with like as Thrawn with an and or style monologue.
Ahsoka Season 2 Speculations and Thrawn's Memory
01:14:52
Speaker
Oh my god. Oh, he could do it too. He could he's so he's such a well-trained actor like it's It's it's crazy. Yeah Yeah, well do we want to put him in b I think that makes sense. I think that makes sense. Because like, I feel like with Ahsoka season two, we know, we've kind of talked about already, we know they're upgrading everything, basically, except the writing.
01:15:17
Speaker
um So, so um there's like a ah chance that, a really high chance that he's going to look really good in Ahsoka season two. Especially now that he'll be like implemented into the galaxy like they don't have to make him look rough They don't have to do this.
01:15:33
Speaker
They don't have no excuses. He can go get his suit pressed On a Star Destroyer that hasn't been Kitsugi together and on top of that, maybe they'll pluck his hairline so it doesn't look like just a harsh like Yeah, yeah yeah yeah i'm excited I'm excited to see him go up against Admiral Ackbar, though. That was probably one of my most excited things from the Ahsoka panel, was just hearing that little tidbit.
01:16:00
Speaker
like Maybe we'll actually see a good space battle with these tacticians. There's a lot to look forward to. I just hope that, like you said, they do actually upgrade everything. Yeah, 100%.
01:16:11
Speaker
And please, like, the writing, like, just bring Timothy Zahn or something to help you. Like, there's there's just moments where they just make him seem really dumb. Like, when he's like, this is Master General Anakin Skywalker's Padawan.
01:16:25
Speaker
Or, yeah, like, I was like, what
Morai and Mortis: Animated to Live-Action
01:16:27
Speaker
the fuck? are you Thrawn! Like, there's a whole book where you worked with Anakin Skywalker and he talked about his Padawan. Matter of fact, Timothy Zahn originally pitched the book with Ahsoka Tano in it.
01:16:38
Speaker
And Dave Filoni told him no. But that's besides the point. Maybe they still got bad blood. I guess so. Well, Morai and Ahsoka.
01:16:50
Speaker
I'm hoping you have something to say of importance here because I don't. It's just an owl. That's what I don't like about it. well really? i guess It's a white owl that they put some green hues on.
01:17:02
Speaker
true because like when you look at rebels it doesn't look like an owl like it looks like an owl but it's like ah it's like a fat stylized owl but not even in the sense of like the animation is stylized like i think the character itself the design itself is meant to be stylized like when they put like they there's plenty of examples of like real life animals that become aliens in Star Wars. They always do something to change it. Like there's literal chickens on Endor, but at least they changed the head of the chickens.
01:17:32
Speaker
So it doesn't look like it's just a chicken. more i may be cgi um definitely there's no way but like if morai is gonna be cgi then make a cool design even if it's not like a one for one on top of that like this is like a snow owl which is a lot more slender and sleek morai is like thick and fluffy looking i want like like a curby type thing and no like not Not necessarily like Kirby. I like where your head's at. not Kirby. I'm sorry, Furby.
01:18:04
Speaker
Oh my God, that'd be terrifying. um But like, I think that that's like what the animation is like meant to embody more is like a Furby, you know? And there's and there's an in-between. And there's an in-between between...
01:18:17
Speaker
ah Furby and this little snow owl but right we gotta do something better Moriah in live action to me D because she's just like the senators it ain't nothing like it's supposed to be they just got a random owl right hundred percent they just took some um owl like something somebody already crafted already and rendered and they're like put that in that scene because Moriah barely shows up too it's a blink and you'll miss it like there's she is in the corner of the screen Yeah, yeah, literally. but
01:18:49
Speaker
maybe we'll get more rye in Ahsoka season two. And I kind of hope she's whisper Ashley Eckstein. If we hear more, I speak. I wonder if we will.
Ashley Eckstein and Live-Action Hopes
01:18:59
Speaker
I, cause like, is more, I not just the sister, the daughter, the daughter, whatever the fuck I told you I'm a fake fan. Um, but like, is that not the intention?
01:19:14
Speaker
I think so. it's It's tough. I feel like Mori is a spirit guide and like an extension of the daughter. i don't know if she is exactly the daughter. um Maybe Dave Filoni will explain it. Probably not.
01:19:26
Speaker
But it's fine. To you're saying further, what if they have the daughter played by Ashley Eckstein in live action? That's what I want. Like if they're going to give her a part, yeah make her the daughter. yeah Don't make her fucking Abeloth or some shit.
01:19:40
Speaker
Or like... Because see she lives through Ahsoka. Because we know that her life force has given up. would be a cool way. but That's what I've been waiting for. But like I have a feeling they're not going to do it.
01:19:53
Speaker
I'm just shocked she didn't have a fucking cameo in season one. Why was she not? She could have been like the pilot that got Ahsoka out of the water. We talked about this. That would have been perfect.
01:20:05
Speaker
But no, of course not.
Cad Bane: Challenges of Adaptation
01:20:07
Speaker
Well, we have two more characters left in this tier list. I do just want to say it's funny because I don't think we've ever had a tier list where there's something in each spot. I think we've always had something that was like, um, like a blank.
01:20:21
Speaker
Yeah, no, you're right. And, um, these next, these last two interesting. That's a good word for it.
01:20:31
Speaker
Cad Bane, I feel like, is the more interesting one out of the two that I have more kind of back and forth with. Because with Cad Bane, does his face look exactly like it does in animation?
01:20:43
Speaker
No. Does he look like the Duros that we've seen in live action? Yes. Do I like that? He's so light blue. I don't like I was saying with Hondo. I don't like this older aliens get this less pigmented color.
01:20:58
Speaker
It's whatever. i am glad that we got Cad Bane as we got him because he translated pretty well. Yeah. and the voice worked and it actually looked like it was coming out of the mouth of the person playing the character.
01:21:15
Speaker
That's true. But they didn't do anything with him. They brought him to kill him. So what the fuck was the point? Yeah, and it's all based on like this deleted scene. not even delete It's based off this deleted arc. Unreleased, yeah, exactly. That we've only been seen like shown pieces of at this point.
01:21:35
Speaker
And never even officially released. We've only seen cell phone footage from Star Wars Celebration. so But it's also canon, which is the weird part.
01:21:46
Speaker
It's pretty much indirectly referenced in Book of Boba Fett. So you think they would have released the full arc because we've seen so much of the unfinished footage, but whatever.
01:21:58
Speaker
Give me your thoughts on this, Cadbean. I mean, like I know about like things like the mouth and things like I remember when the show first released and like within two days, someone released like a CGI version, not even a CGI version, like basically just warping the already existing footage.
01:22:16
Speaker
And it did look better. It looked a lot better. And they made him like darker blue and things like that. So I, and don't love that. I obviously don't love, you know, the story of him.
01:22:30
Speaker
But like he works as Cad Bane. Like again, they brought the voice actor back. I feel like that's, I feel like that's a theme here with like some of the better ones. It's like having the voice actor there helps a lot.
01:22:44
Speaker
um Even if the look isn't exact. Right. Like, I think that if Cad Bane was brought in and had some really good writing, like, imagine this, like, take this Cad Bane, his look and everything, don't change anything about it, but put him into Andor. Like, I'd probably be willing to look past, like, a lot of the looks and be like, he's A-tier. Well, he wouldn't be in Andor because he's an alien, but... Yeah, and it also doesn't make sense timeline-wise. But, like, just, like...
01:23:16
Speaker
I don't know. I don't think he's like D or F tier. I almost feel like C tier makes sense for him. just feel very neutral. I feel like he's similar to Thrawn, though he did have way less to do, but even then Thrawn didn't do that much.
01:23:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's things like, I forgot something that brings them down for me. Okay. We've seen Duros in live action. We saw Duros in the first star Wars movie.
01:23:46
Speaker
He does not look anything like a Duros. I don't agree with that. I think he, Oh, ah like everything is off the nose. I mean, it's like they gave him like basically a human version of a Duros nose.
01:24:00
Speaker
And that, okay. That that's true. Put him in seat here. It's fine. It's whatever. Yeah, he's fine. He's left. It's one of those
Inquisitors and Species Design Inconsistencies
01:24:10
Speaker
teases. Like we talked about Canaan. Like we talked about Rex. It's a great tease, but like, I'd rather see it done like, well,
01:24:15
Speaker
I just don't like in Star Wars when they have a character, like a species, right, that was never a main character, and then they make that species into a main character and then try to make them more human.
01:24:28
Speaker
Oh, like the Grand Inquisitor? For some reason, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but when they have ah character speak basic, that should not be. Yeah. um i I don't know.
01:24:43
Speaker
Oh, I thought of an example. Sorry. Zero the Hut. Why are you talking like a person? An annoying one at that. That want to slap the fuck out of. And also a homosexual.
01:24:56
Speaker
But it's in dating size noodles, yeah, okay, sure. Yeah, well... She's a drag queen, it works. um yeah Well, the last one.
01:25:12
Speaker
the fifth brother. um yeah, I don't, I think he's just as bad as the grand inquisitor, maybe a little bit better, I like, I, the actor they got for him. I'm like, why did they even, why, why was that the choice?
01:25:28
Speaker
The makeup is like completely different. Like that. Well, the makeup is hair, makeup. They put on some like mint but green face paint. Right. But then like even like the lines on his face and everything like it.
01:25:41
Speaker
It's not how he looks in Rebels. No, not at all. He looks like different. Like it's it's not it's like they didn't even try. Well, and not to forget that he has like gray eyes with like white pupils and they just didn't even give him contacts and they didn't CG it.
01:26:00
Speaker
And they make contacts like that. Like, oh my God, I hate, I hate the fifth brother. Honestly, all the inquisitors in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, their armor's kind of cool. But other than that, the makeup's
Tier Lists and Final Thoughts
01:26:15
Speaker
horrid.
01:26:15
Speaker
I mean, even Riva, who's like a human, obviously, so she don't have to worry about makeup. like No, but they do have her in leggings. Yeah, was about like, why do they have her in fucking leggings? they didn't even and Why didn't they give Riva a helmet?
01:26:28
Speaker
That was my biggest question, was like, all the other Inquisitors have these cool helmets. And there's concept art of Riva with helmets. Now, it's the second sister's helmet. I was going to say it's a literally Trilla, but...
01:26:41
Speaker
Trilla's the second sister, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, look at me. I know Star Wars. Yeah. Well, I'm seeing a trend here is the flat bad makeup is basically on F tier.
01:26:56
Speaker
Yes. And then there's poor Anakin because my picky ass. But like, I think I'm i think i'm being fair there. um But yeah, this is interesting to look at after the fact.
01:27:09
Speaker
It's really interesting because our S tier is the most random ass characters. And people are going to be in the comments being like, Terrace, I knew, but who the fuck is that? I don't even know how that character is.
01:27:20
Speaker
Poor Cobalt's going to be like, what? I would have never said you guys could use my tier list if I knew. They're going to be like, um yeah, I shouldn't have gave y'all access to this because this is all wrong.
01:27:34
Speaker
um But that's what's the that's the fun about tier lists. And that's why we love to do them is because it's just fun to rank them. And I love seeing other people's rankings too because it just prompts conversation.
01:27:44
Speaker
And we get to talk so much together going back and forth, especially when we argue about stuff. but I feel like there wasn't much arguing this time. Yeah, more... We were definitely more constructive this time. like Maybe towards each other, but not towards these characters. i know.
01:28:01
Speaker
That was all criticism. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, though, I was expecting it to be a lot worse. Like, I expected a lot more in DNF. Like, just... To be fair, I didn't really think through before we got on here.
01:28:16
Speaker
Like, I didn't prepare. I wanted to just hop on and do it. Yeah. yeah So... I don't know. I don't know. i Maybe there's just some more redeeming qualities just talking about it more.
01:28:28
Speaker
I don't know, but we're talking a lot. People already clicked off by now, but if you're still here, thank you so much for watching. And Scotty, if there's nothing else, why don't you send us out here?
01:28:41
Speaker
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