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We Asked For STAR WARS Hot Takes... And Immediately Regretted It
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Should Mace Windu live past Revenge of the Sith? Is Episode III overrated? Is The Acolyte one of the better Disney Star Wars projects? Is the original trilogy outdated? Do the prequels rely on The Clone Wars to be good? Should Captain Phasma have been the new Boba Fett? Is Anakin Skywalker being the chosen one a good thing?
We look through tons of Star Wars hot takes today, provided by you guys, our audience! It caused some disagreements, some Star Wars debate, and just a general conversation about multiple things in the galaxy far, far away....
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Transcript
Introduction to Star Wars Hot Takes
00:00:00
Speaker
We asked you for your Star Wars hot takes and immediately regretted it. Like this one from one of our YouTube listeners. Everything before The Force Awakens is extremely boring and outdated.
00:00:10
Speaker
The best part of Star Wars is when Disney took over. No warning, no hesitation, just straight violence. Every week we get yelled out for our hot takes, so this time we're flipping the script.
00:00:21
Speaker
We went through over 600 hot takes across YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok. And now we're reading the wildest, most unhinged ones on air. Some made us laugh, and some made us question everything. And some might get you kicked off the Jedi Council just for listening.
00:00:37
Speaker
Welcome to This Is The Way Seekers. Let's suffer together.
Is Revenge of the Sith Overrated?
00:00:46
Speaker
All right, folks, our first hot take comes from Isaac V 24 on Instagram saying Revenge of the Sith is way overrated and it's only overhyped because of the Clone Wars nostalgia, along with people just wanting another reason to bash the recent Star Wars stuff.
00:01:02
Speaker
ah Agree or disagree? I'm inclined to say agree. Is that bad? Agree. um okay listen when i went back to the movie theaters and saw revenge of the sith for the anniversary i can't lie there were moments where i was like this is not right here as good as i remember it right but to say it's overrated and overhyped just because of the clone wars nostalgia is incorrect to me because the issues with revenge of the sith have nothing to do with the story itself the fall of anakin skywalker
00:01:33
Speaker
Perfect. The fall of the Jedi Order, the fall of democracy, the rise of fascism. Perfect. Amazing. There's issues with things like the dialogue, maybe the pacing here and there, but the story itself, it's so perfect. It stays so intact that I'm sorry, I disagree. And also the Clone Wars nostalgia.
00:01:49
Speaker
um know if it's just because I'm wearing a Clone Wars shirt, but to me, the Clone Wars stands on its own. It doesn't need the prequels to ah uplift them. In fact, sometimes I even look at them as separate projects. I mean, to me, I think Revenge of the Sith has always stood out as people saying it's the best just because it has the most lightsaber duels and because technically Darth Vader's in it. So like, oh, gee, or O.T. Trilogy, people are like, well, that's the best one because Vader's in it.
00:02:15
Speaker
So. and That's why I'm inclined to say I agree because when I saw it in the theater, I was like this movie, not that great. I don't know why. i thought it was going to be so much better than this. It's a great movie. I enjoyed it, but I definitely was left wanting more. I want more.
00:02:31
Speaker
i shouldn't. Yeah, that's true. when When you think about overhyped, overrated, you have to think about the audience itself. And there's definitely a lot of people that act like that movie was the second coming of Christ. And that's just not what it was. But like at its core, it's a really good fucking movie. It's a really good story. So I don't know. i um I hate to bash it.
00:02:51
Speaker
Well, before we continue, we just want to welcome everyone to our podcast. This is The Wayseekers, a show for Star Wars fans by Star Wars fans. We upload new episodes every Thursday and shorts every single day. So make sure to subscribe so you never miss out on any content from us.
00:03:06
Speaker
Obviously, today we're reading Star Wars hot takes from our audience. Some y'all are really unhinged, like we said in the intro, but I'm also very thankful for everyone who has been interacting on our posts because it makes episodes like this so much more fun to do.
00:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. This feels so much more like a waste seekers community type thing. I mean, over 600 comments across all platforms. Star Wars fans are pretty opinionated. and I will
Are Droid Struggles Underexplored?
00:03:31
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say. knew?
00:03:32
Speaker
Who knew? ah This take comes from at jobs jobs 8659 YouTube. They said the droid struggle in Star Wars is massively underexplored and underexplained and represents a huge waste of potential for the whole franchise.
00:03:51
Speaker
Agree. I 100% agree. Ever since Solo came out and we saw L337 and her kind of standing up for droids rights, I thought it was so good. Such a good continuation of A New Hope when they say we don't serve their kind here.
00:04:05
Speaker
But unfortunately, a lot of the fans took that as some sort of commentary on social issues, which I'm sure there is, but one, that's not a bad thing. And two, it just, I feel like hindered them from doing anything with it in the future because at the end of the day, they're just going to see it as political messaging, even though it existed in Star Wars in 1977.
00:04:25
Speaker
i disagree because I don't think it would be that interesting. Like, think of if we got and or but all the characters were droids. You know how I feel about the D squad arc in the Clone Wars. I'm just not as interested in these droids.
00:04:40
Speaker
Now, that's the thing. I just don't think it would be that entertaining. So you'd be one of the people in the Star Wars galaxy that oppresses the droids is what I'm hearing. Probably.
00:04:52
Speaker
I mean, that makes sense. I don't see you hanging out with C-3PO, to be honest. No, but I want to get the fuck out of you. um Yeah, probably. But i went like I want my own little BD droid.
00:05:05
Speaker
i would give my droids the option to be more autonomous. um So I think that's where I would stand. And there are some people that are going to be like shitty to their droids and put restraining bolts on them and like not let them do what they want to do so and i think that's why i disagree because if it was me i would be nicer to my droids and treat them like actual beings so but you don't think it could be like some type of commentary for like uh disenfranchised marginalized groups i mean i know they're droids but like
00:05:38
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. But we can we can show that like we did in Andor in the Mina Rao arc with people because people aren't going to relate to droids because they're machines. I mean, people relate to giant slugs and shit like that. I mean, i i relate to some of these droids. you're telling me you don't relate to B2 Emos anxiety.
00:05:58
Speaker
i mean, come on. No. well Well, lucky you. I think they should keep exploring it here and there, but I don't think like a standalone show about droid rights.
00:06:10
Speaker
coming That makes sense. as it own Yeah. As its own thing, maybe that would be boring, but references here and there definitely keep it up. I feel like what, what, how did you feel about L three in solo?
00:06:21
Speaker
I liked L3. And on top of that, you keep mentioning Solo, but they did it again in the Mandalorian season three, too. Like with the whole droid bar and everything. Remember that? They were really bad about that. You mean season three or season two?
00:06:34
Speaker
Season three. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they're on that planet with Lizzo. I hated that episode. Not just because of Lizzo, but the whole commentary with the droids made no sense. It was almost like walking back 40 years of the messaging that they've had with droids. We actually love to serve people. It's great.
00:06:53
Speaker
So my next number is number four.
Should Mace Windu Stay Dead?
00:06:55
Speaker
This one comes from CJ on TikTok and they say Mace Windu should stay dead. It makes zero sense for him to come back. I agree because I love Mace Windu and I love Samuel L. Jackson. But like the character, i don't think people really like Mace Windu for the character. I think we like because it's Samuel L. Jackson and he has a purple lightsaber because he's not he's not somebody I root for.
00:07:20
Speaker
He's kind of an ass. Yeah. But then like sometimes he's kind of needed to be an ass, you know? I think people forget that when he's talking Anakin Skywalker, he is talking to someone who eventually turns into Darth Vader.
00:07:33
Speaker
So Mace Windu is correct. Mace Windu knows. um But no, I agree with I agree with this take. It doesn't make sense for him to come back for one major reason for me. And that's because you really want the first Jedi that Anakin killed or I guess partook in the killing of because I guess you could say Palpatine killed him.
00:07:50
Speaker
You really want that first kill to be the person that lives? like Because that that doesn't make sense to me. That is like his turn to the dark side. Don't walk that back. And here's the thing. Everyone wants to complain about Palpatine coming back, ruining Anakin's sacrifice in his story.
00:08:08
Speaker
But like like to what you're saying, you want to bring back Mace Windu, the first Jedi that was like his true fall to the dark side when he made that choice to like cut off his hands and Palpatine to kill him.
00:08:19
Speaker
That's also going to undo more of Anakin's story. so yeah let's let's and really think about this. Let's really like, you know, we need more Anakin story being undone or going back on it and in the the Disney era.
00:08:33
Speaker
i don't I don't think so. Just, you know, they can give us well, they're not doing standalones anymore, but I think that a young Mace Windu story could be great for a standalone. There's plenty of younger actors who could take up the mantle.
00:08:44
Speaker
Then again, you know, ah Star Wars fans hate recast, so they probably would not like it. fuck it make it animated if you're going to make 100 clone war spinoffs maybe do it it about an interesting character that you wouldn't expect yeah because say i do think we deserve and why i don't want to say deserve i do think that there is a lot of potential for more mace windu stories i just don't see them past his demise and revenge of the Sith. I think there's so much more to explore and I loved getting that taste in tales of the Jedi with him and dooku like that was really fun dynamic and I'd love to see more stories of Mace Windu in his younger years so and how he became this kind of rigid rule follower, but also like
00:09:26
Speaker
the whole story of him in the pod and using like his dark side and channeling that with other dark siders in battle to like make him more powerful i know i'm not explaining that perfectly but like let's explore more of that and i think what is it glass abyss did that come out yet that mace windu book Yes, it did. And there's also a Shatterpoint to glass focused um Star Wars books, Shatterpoints from Legends. But um yeah, there's a lot more that dives into the character of Mace Windu and Shatterpoint actually makes him a lot more of a sympathetic character, um which I'm always I always like. Listen,
00:10:03
Speaker
my hot take about mace windu is that people are too hard on that man i sometimes fear that there's just a little sense of racism in there because i'm sure how is mace windu being blamed for most of anakin's fall to the dark side when that's not his fault palpatine is the one that turned anakin to the fucking dark side anakin is the one that turned to the dark side mace windu literally operated under what he knew in context of what he knew which was that anakin was like this arrogant jedi that never fucking listened and now you're telling me that the senator that we're fucking terrified of now wants you to be on our council as a master
00:10:42
Speaker
No, I don't know. Overstepping, yeah. like and And then there's the line of like where he calls Ahsoka citizen. And it's like, okay, dickish, annoying, yes. But like at the same time, Ahsoka left the Jedi Order.
00:10:57
Speaker
What are you doing here? Why are you... that was different that was different he was being an asshole on purpose that time yeah but that's all well not just to be an asshole it's more of like why why are you here operating under our jedi shit you left we said you could come back you left not i'm not allowing him that one ah he doesn't get that one as a pass But yeah, just give us some more Mace Windu stories. We don't need to bring him back and undo everything that happened in Revenge of the Sith.
00:11:25
Speaker
Just exactly. So CJ, we agree he should stay dead. and And one last thing. I do think that it's logical. Like logically, it makes sense that he would survive. Right. But sometimes story needs to take place over logic.
00:11:40
Speaker
I there's a lot of that when I have like a criticism of Star Wars. I can't think of a good example right now. But then like people like um the line of of Palpatine or Poe saying somehow Palpatine returned.
00:11:52
Speaker
People try to logically explain that that scene to me like, well, why wouldn't why would Poe know how Palpatine returned? And it's like, yes, logically, that makes sense. But when you put it in the context of the story that I'm consuming, that's all the information we got about how he returned.
00:12:07
Speaker
So logically, it makes sense. Sure. But was that the best narrative choice? Absolutely not. Well, Poe was playing Fortnite. So that's how he found out because he heard Palpatine's message. Yes, 100%.
00:12:20
Speaker
This next take comes from at Star Wars, ASMR 77 on YouTube. but Everything before the Force Awakens is extremely boring and outdated. The best part of Star Wars is when Disney took over.
00:12:33
Speaker
Agree or disagree? Rage bait used to be believable, in my opinion. I mean, come on. Obviously disagree. There's no way that a serious person actually thinks that everything before The Force Awakens is outdated and bad.
00:12:51
Speaker
I mean, sure, when you look back at the Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones, does the CGI not hold up? Sure. But you know what does hold up across all six movies? The story of the rise of fascism and the fight against authoritarianism and the fight against an evil galactic empire reigning over an entire galaxy.
00:13:12
Speaker
How is that outdated? It's literally happening today, right now, as we're recording this fucking podcast. So no, I don't think that it's outdated and you're you're really going to champion everything after the force awakens as being the best star Wars. I mean, you got maybe a handful of projects in there that even could be in that category.
00:13:33
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I disagree with this take simply because I feel like what it really comes down to is they're saying it may look outdated um because, yeah, the sequel trilogy looks the most beautiful because it's the newest. Obviously, people thought that the prequel trilogy looked amazing to when it came out.
00:13:54
Speaker
It's just, you know, the way technology has evolved over the years. So, no, I don't agree that it's extremely boring and outdated. I would say that a lot of the original trilogy is more boring and the CGI that was inserted doesn't hold up even as good as the prequel CGI.
00:14:10
Speaker
But that's the thing is that George Lucas went in and he added things he couldn't add when he originally made the films and everybody complains about it. So like, do you want things to be updated or do you want them to be, quote unquote, outdated and be what they were to begin with? Because, you know, people are always like release the original cuts and it's like you don't really want the original cuts.
00:14:29
Speaker
Yeah, no, literally, because they showed the original cut recently at some sort of screening. And a lot of the comments were, wow, this movie looks genuinely horrible. It looks like it was glued and stapled together, which it was like it's it's that's what Star Wars was. But in 1977, that was the most impressive of all time. Like it literally inspired generations to go into filmmaking.
00:14:54
Speaker
So i just can't agree with this i mean at all. and not to like be like george lucas is amazing but literally like he's always been a champion for the evolution of technology so every star wars that came out like evolved with technology and with the things ilm could do so you know if they come out with 10 11 and 12 i feel like people will say to this take oh the best part of star wars is you know 10 11 and 12 because it's the newest you know what i mean yeah that's true i didn't even think about that but then again there's like the the disney plus shows that look worse than kenobi movies genuinely horrid but oh well i guess that's the one that looks um extremely new and extravagant and is better than anything
00:15:42
Speaker
Pre-Force Awakens. All right, well, my number is three. So our next take comes from Sean the Space Pirate on Instagram. They say all of Star Wars. Yes, all, including Disney, is peak cinema and the best thing ever.
00:15:56
Speaker
ah Agree or disagree? Disagree because this feels just like they're trying to be silly. Like I can't take this take seriously. No, this is something that a lot of people genuinely say. You've never heard all Star Wars is good Star Wars. It's like a hashtag. It's something that a lot of people say.
00:16:14
Speaker
And I understand that people have good intentions with it. But it's not true. It's just lying to yourself. um I do think that the beauty of Star Wars is that every single project is somebody's favorite project. And that's definitely something to take into account.
00:16:30
Speaker
But to act like every single Star Wars project is good is just incorrect. There's so many factors just behind the scenes that some of these projects weren't even able to be good.
00:16:40
Speaker
And to act like that doesn't exist is just wrong, in my opinion. Well, yeah, and I mean, I disagree because like you said, one like some of us, our favorite Star Wars can be different, obviously, but just like we do on this podcast, we can critique the things that we love.
00:16:56
Speaker
I am a big Attack of the Clones lover, but it is not that great of a movie and the CGI is mostly really bad. So I would not call that peak cinema, um but that doesn't mean we can't like it or love it. You know what I mean?
00:17:10
Speaker
So that's why i disagree. But. I still think it's great to love your favorite Star Wars at the end of the day, even if somebody else is like, that's trash because you can still have love for it and we can critique the things that we love.
00:17:22
Speaker
Mm hmm. 100 percent. And not to say that this is what this person was doing. I think this person just had a hot take. But a lot of people use the statement all Star Wars is good Star Wars to take away from people that are criticizing Star Wars, acting like they're toxic and, you know, part of the anti woke crowd and whatnot.
00:17:40
Speaker
It's just not what it is. So I don't know. I have a lot of um negative connotations with that statement. Sorry, Sean, the space pirate, but thank you for submitting and a
2003 vs 2008 Clone Wars Comparison
00:17:50
Speaker
comment. We appreciate it Thanks for your take.
00:17:52
Speaker
This next take comes from Chong on TikTok. The 2003 Clone Wars micro series is better than the 2008 Clone Wars and is the best Star Wars show of all time.
00:18:03
Speaker
Agree or disagree? disagree. It's not even a real show. I mean, Clone Wars 2003. It's fantastic. But there's no dialogue. It's just literally ah ah a demonstration of aura, like the the the Jedi just look really cool. The clones look really cool. But it's not meant to be like an actual story.
00:18:25
Speaker
How could you say that it's the greatest Star Wars show of all time when Andor exists when the Clone Wars and Rebels, all the animated shows are better than this show, simply based on the fact that these are actual shows. And this was literally meant, i don't know if people knew this, the Clone Wars 2003 series was made so that Star Wars was put on TV.
00:18:45
Speaker
So kids were watching and then they would go buy the toys from the cartoon. It's literally what they used to do with Hot Wheels. It's what they used to do with Transformers. And that is the sole purpose of 2003 Clone Wars existing.
00:18:56
Speaker
Is it nostalgic? Yes. Is it amazing? Yes. Is it a real show? No. So no, I disagree. I disagree too, because honestly, it's more of just like a highlight reel or it's like you take all of the action out of the Clone Wars 2008 series and make that like the actual series, you take away all that dialogue.
00:19:15
Speaker
And I know people are going to say in the comments there's dialogue in the Clone Wars micro series. And there is. However, you know, those moments, those aren't the moments that people are referencing.
00:19:26
Speaker
No one's, you know, talking about like the few dialogue moments we get in that series. They're talking about, like you said, how the Jedi look cool. The clones look cool. It's all action. It's all in your face. And like it did what it was supposed to do.
00:19:38
Speaker
It made you want to see more of this universe by these toys. Like, so I think Do I think it's a great underrated. Piece of Star Wars media. I don't even want to call it a series.
00:19:50
Speaker
Like, is it an underrated piece of Star Wars media? Yes. And to me, like, I didn't watch it for the first time until like a year or two ago. so Obviously, I watched the 2008 series first, and I do think the 2008 series is the better series.
00:20:07
Speaker
um But there is some cool stuff that does happen in the micro series, like Anakin being knighted, the whole Anakin versus Ventress on Yavin. like yeah Those are some really great moments that I wish we could see more of.
00:20:19
Speaker
But like does that make the Clone Wars micro series amazing and like better than everything else? No. Definitely not. Definitely not. So yeah, disagree. i think, I think that that's, that's pretty clear. All right. So this one comes from Vinny C on Tik TOK. They say, i never liked to the idea of Anakin being a chosen one and his destiny being predetermined.
00:20:41
Speaker
It's just a boring concept in my opinion. Agree or disagree. My first instinct is to say agree and simply because I feel like it sounded cool on paper, but it's one of those things where George Lucas was like this. This is a really cool idea.
00:20:57
Speaker
And like he's kind of like the Messiah of the Star Wars universe, but like he never fleshed out what the chosen one really was. And so now we've got all this media trying to fill that in.
00:21:10
Speaker
And it's just like making it really boring. It's kind of like the mystique behind Yoda. If we explain everything about Yoda, his species and everything, he's not going to be as intriguing.
00:21:21
Speaker
The chosen one, like the words, the chosen one sounds really cool on paper, but the more it's explored, the more it's like. So no matter what, Anakin like didn't have any agency over his future.
00:21:34
Speaker
hmm. Yeah, and there's there's ways to do prophecies in Star Wars. We just saw Andor. They basically confirmed that Cassian Andor has this sort of prophecy. It was a thing. They didn't necessarily confirm it. And that's what I think is the difference there. It's like an idea from this person that believes in the Force that's like this Force healer with...
00:21:54
Speaker
the the prequels, at least the way a lot of the people take it is that this is some final determined thing that Anakin is the chosen one. That doesn't make sense when you look at Return of the Jedi, like i mean it's so much better story wise to think that Anakin came back from being Darth Vader and saved his son and and and eventually ended up doing the right thing. Right.
00:22:17
Speaker
um I don't like the idea that that was some sort of prophesized thing. um It takes away, like you said, a lot of the agency of the character. um It also makes it impossible to continue the story past Return of the Jedi without cheapening that a little bit, because how do you have a story with good against evil you're He defeated the evil and brought balance to the force. And that's exactly why in a lot of Star Wars media, they are, like you said, trying to explain it. The biggest explanation right now is that the prophecy was bullshit.
00:22:50
Speaker
Not bullshit, but like there it was just a theory. Basically, there there was no set in stone confirmation. um a lot of the Jedi didn't even believe in the prophecy. And I think that that's what it works better as. But then like when you have to go back and explain all these caveats, it's like maybe you shouldn't have just maybe you just shouldn't have included it.
00:23:09
Speaker
Yeah, like leave some some of the mystique behind it. And I mean, if anything, i think i personally am very pro like, yes, there is a chosen one prophecy, but the chosen one is not just one person.
00:23:22
Speaker
I like the idea of it being Anakin, but also that Luke kind of takes up that mantle as well. And even Ray could take up that mantle as well. Like, I like the idea of the chosen one not being just one singular person.
00:23:34
Speaker
And that's how it works for me. um And I think it works better that way because it's more of a I don't know. It doesn't make it so finite. Yeah, very true.
00:23:45
Speaker
Very true. Yeah, I just I've never been a big fan of it, honestly. And that's something I've definitely said before. um i don't know if it was on this podcast or on my Instagram or what, but it's definitely an opinion I've shared for a while. So agree.
00:23:58
Speaker
This next take comes from Z on TikTok.
Is Star Wars Criticism Unfounded?
00:24:02
Speaker
the anti-woke crowd don't fundamentally understand star wars the writing can be bad slash not preferred but it's not because of women bipoc or lgbtq plus ah Amen. Hey, motherfucking man. Shout out to Z with the number one take. It's actually funny that this take was mentioned right after I mentioned the anti-woke crowd.
00:24:24
Speaker
But I mean, come on. It's so true. It's something we've said a hundred times on this podcast. At this point, it might even be the thesis of This Is The Way Seekers podcast that there is...
00:24:35
Speaker
plenty to criticize and it's totally okay to criticize star wars but to say that it's woke or you know it's bad because there's women included bipoc lgbtq individuals that's the reason star wars sucks now it's just bullshit and honestly saying that and regurgitating that and repeating that is not going to make star wars better because you're not addressing the actual issues which is writing, um direction, acting, all the things behind the scenes, you know, Disney being a money hungry company. um Yeah, come on now.
00:25:07
Speaker
I mean, not to mention the fact that you're just hiding behind the fact that you're a misogynist or racist or homophobic, transphobic. So you're just latching on to things that you don't like and then blaming those things without any real substance behind those blames.
00:25:23
Speaker
Just admit when Star Wars needs to do something better and don't attach it to something that you just don't agree with. You know what i mean? Like actually, actually take pull back the curtain, take a look at the series or the movie or the show or whatever, and then really address what the problem is. Like you said, it's mostly always writing or budget cuts or rushed productions.
00:25:45
Speaker
Like, yeah, maybe we should start blaming Disney more. um But that's, you know, Maybe that's the real problem sometimes is these horrible people behind the scenes, these money hungry people, investors just wanting to make money and just wanting to make money does not make good art.
00:26:04
Speaker
Exactly. 100%. Star Wars has always been political at its core since the very beginning. So to act like that doesn't exist or to take away from it. It's just it just makes no sense to me. I mean, for me, for example, um Ray from Star Wars, obviously a character that's like super attacked by misogynists online.
00:26:23
Speaker
But there's plenty of genuine criticisms of that character. and and don't see why people aren't more inclined to talk about things like how I don't feel like the Skywalker name is earned for her at the end of the movie. It feels rushed. It feels like it wasn't earned for her. um That's completely fine. Now saying that she doesn't earn the Skywalker name because she's an inferior woman.
00:26:46
Speaker
All right. That's crossing a line. Yeah. Well, some people just don't have good media like comprehension. Yeah. A hundred percent. So this next tape comes from EricRebelJedi23 on Instagram, and they say, The Acolyte is one of the best shows to come out of Disney.
00:27:03
Speaker
It gave us a brand new story outside of the Skywalker saga and blended new lore and older EU slash legends content. It had a rocky start, but what first season doesn't? It delves more into what happened in the prequels to how the Jedi got to where they are.
00:27:17
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Agree or disagree? Agree. OK, OK. i won't say it's the best show to come out of Disney because that's obviously and or but. The acolyte did similar things to end or where it took a risk, took a story that we hadn't explored, really took brand new characters for the most part and really showed us like how we got to where we got to the prequels, which is what it set out to do.
00:27:44
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People just didn't like the fact that it painted the Jedi in a negative light when at the end of the day, like. We start off painting them in a negative light just with Anakin at the beginning. We're like, he's too old.
00:27:55
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He's got attachments. God forbid. Like we don't want him. Right. Like it really paves the way for that. And plus, I just liked the show and thought it was really good. I mean, I somewhat agree. Obviously, you know, I have criticisms of the accolade. Well, we can't somewhat agree or disagree.
00:28:15
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no you can you can somewhat agree or disagree. I know. I know damn monolith. um But on if you don't deal in absolutes. Exactly. 100%. I'm so glad you said that.
00:28:26
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um Obviously I agree with the stuff saying it gave us a brand new story outside of the Skywalker saga. Very good stuff. Blended new lore and older EU lore. Also something that's way overlooked within the accolade.
00:28:39
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yeah the lightsaber choreography. Fantastic. Um, But i I feel like it wasn't the best in terms of writing. And I do want to ask you, you talk about how they criticize the
Is The Acolyte the Best Disney Star Wars Show?
00:28:50
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Jedi.
00:28:50
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Do you think that they were criticizing the correct things here? Because honestly, I've never been a fan of the idea that the Jedi are kidnapping children.
00:29:02
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And that's kind of... that's not exactly what happened in the acolyte because they obviously let osha have some agency or was it may i don't know the fucking difference um osha osha right they let her have some some agency there and let her choose to leave but i don't know if i liked the whole commentary of the jedi coming in and ah taking over ah a planet an indigenous group to this planet um with the witches i'm like that's not you you set that up in this show that's not something that's like across all of the star wars media
00:29:35
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Well, exactly. That's the thing is that it' it's not saying this is what all the Jedi do. I feel like what the Acolyte did was like hone in on one specific mistake that one specific Jedi made that doesn't necessarily speak for the order as a whole, but it's saying like little things like this started to happen more often, which makes sense why at the time we get to the Phantom Menace, the entire order has these flaws because everyone started going into like they were giving into the things that we know that cause issues and cause people to fall as like these attachments and there's ways to have healthy attachments obviously but at the time the jedi weren't doing anything to and like we were seeing their fall from the high republic up into the phantom menace and there's a big change that happens and we saw that reflected in the show and like i said i think it's just
00:30:30
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we're not talking about the order as a whole. We're just showing these are little mistakes that happen that lead to the overall fall. Now, I do think that a a big problem in that was Vernestra and the way that she kind of handled things.
00:30:41
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And I know people who love the high Republic also didn't love her portrayal in the show. So yeah, do I think it was the best writing and like the best, like everything? No, but I still think it was one of the most interesting shows that Disney came out with in this era.
00:30:57
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So Yeah, I agree. And I think that if the show kept going and had more seasons, it would have been regarded as one of the best Star Wars shows ever. Just like Eric Rebel Jedi 23 said, like, what season doesn't have a rocky start for the first season?
00:31:12
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Andor. That's true. Well, the Mandalorian, that's a whole nother story. That's true. Maybe it could have gotten worse like the Mandalorian.
00:31:26
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This next take comes from Jolly Yellow Presents on TikTok.
Was Captain Phasma Underutilized?
00:31:31
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Phasma could have and should have been this generation's Boba Fett. character who had almost no screen time but became a fan favorite.
00:31:40
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Agree or disagree? i mean, I guess I agree, but I also think that Captain Phasma already takes up that mantle in the sequel trilogy. I mean, like this person said, she's a character that has almost no screen time, but um I guess she didn't become a fan favorite, but she has a lot of moments that are like extraordinary. I mean, her fight with Finn, things like that, like and then and she's expanded a lot more in the books and comics, and it makes her much more of an interesting character. And it makes you look back at the movie and go, oh, wow, I wish we had more of that character. I wish that they didn't have such a unceremonious death like Boba Fett had in Return of the Jedi.
00:32:15
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I might even argue that Captain Phasma did more in sequels than Boba Fett. And she had way more screen time as well. Like, but here's the thing. She won't become this generation's Boba Fett because she's a woman.
00:32:30
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And because Star Wars fans, not the fans, like there's a lot of misogyny in Star Wars. We know this. We've talked about it in this episode, like people. i don't want to say people it's just men in the fandom who are misogynistic like they don't like captain phasma as much as they like boba fett because she's a woman that's literally the only issue and like we just discussed she does way more than boba fett in in his movies now when we get the book of phasma then you know we might have something else to say which honestly i would welcome that because gwendolyn christie i think oh yeah that's
00:33:07
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as captain phasma was such a wasted opportunity of such a great actress and i would love more phasma on my screen yeah personally yeah and in my opinion there's just not much more room for captain phasma in the sequel trilogy i feel like she kind of served her purpose of you know being the the leader of the stormtroopers which gives finn a really good villain And we see that come to fruition in The Last Jedi with their fight.
00:33:32
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The one thing I would have liked to see more from Phasma is maybe keeping in that deleted scene where after she you know gets a piece cut from her helmet by Finn and she dies in the movie, that's just it. That's it for Phasma. She dies there.
00:33:46
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But in the deleted scene, she actually comes back, climbs out and they have another standoff. And Finn calls her out in front of a bunch of stormtroopers. for lowering the shields on Starkiller base, being very selfish because a lot of the other probably even lower level stormtroopers would have been like, no, I'm not lowering shit.
00:34:03
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You're going to have to kill me. um But Phasma was always for herself. And then there's like that. and that There's a little bit of interesting stuff in there that I don't think would have um been able to been explored in the sequel trilogy because that's not the story. But there's some stuff in there that they could definitely explore in books and comics, which they already kind of have. so Well, here's the thing.
00:34:24
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There's just too many characters in the sequel trilogy that they wanted to have moments too much, too much going on for three little movies. Despite all the crazy behind the scenes stuff in general, there was just there wasn't enough time. Yeah, there was enough time to really build her up to be anything.
00:34:40
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so Well, Scotty, I think that that was a good take to end on here.
Conclusion: Embracing Diverse Opinions
00:34:44
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Obviously, like we said, we have a million takes. So I think that we may come back to these in the future. So if you have a hot take, I would say leave it in the comments below because maybe next time we'll respond to some actual YouTube comments instead of just YouTube shorts. And I think it's worth pointing out that even if we disagree with your takes, like a lot of you disagree with ours, that's the beauty of it.
00:35:06
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everything everyone has a different stance on star wars but at the end of the day it's the thing that brings us all together it's the thing that brings us here for these 45 minutes every week to discuss star wars together with all of you guys so don't feel attacked or anything like that if you share any of these opinions that we completely shit it on because trust me every single opinion that we share online is also shitted on that's the joy of being a content creator Yes. Well, Scotty, if there's nothing else left, why don't you send us out of here?
00:35:38
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