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The Timely Politics of Andor Season 2's Premiere Arc (Full Arc Breakdown)
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🛑 What happens when Star Wars stops being myth—and starts being real?
In this episode of This is the Wayseekers, we unpack the powerful premiere arc of Andor Season 2 (Episodes 1–3). From Cassian’s chaotic escape to the fractured state of the early Rebellion, we break down how this arc sets the tone for a darker, more urgent season of Star Wars storytelling.
We dive deep into:
- Cassian’s growth and the cost of resistance
- The infighting of rebel factions and what it says about American politics
- Dedra and Syril’s unsettling new dynamic
- Mon Mothma’s quietly devastating arc and the tension surrounding her daughter's arranged marriage
- The return of Director Krennic and the Empire’s chilling propaganda machine
We also explore the real-world parallels embedded in the show’s portrayal of immigration, state control, and media manipulation—proving once again that Andor isn’t just great Star Wars—it’s timely, intelligent drama.
Has Andor already surpassed its first season?
What does this arc tell us about the future of the Rebellion—and the fate of our characters?
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Transcript
Media Manipulation in 'Andor' and Reality
00:00:00
Speaker
Director Krennic introduces these guys who claim to control the public opinion of Gorman. um They say that if you plant the correct seeds in the correct order in the correct media outlets, you will eventually sway the public opinion.
00:00:16
Speaker
Oh my gosh. We're seeing the same thing right now with Palestine. Oh yeah, 100%. It's the same thing repeating itself. And yet people don't see it for what it is because of the way the media chooses to portray it.
00:00:30
Speaker
That's what they do and that's what they're doing in Andor. Fuck the empire. Fuck.
Excitement and Expectations for 'Andor' Season 2
00:00:40
Speaker
Welcome back to This Is The Way Seekers, a podcast for Star Wars fans by Star Wars fans. And my God, what a great time it is to be a Star Wars fan because Andor is back. Good Star Wars is back on the menu.
00:00:55
Speaker
We just watched the first three episodes of season two. I'm still trying to catch my breath. It's tense. It's gritty. It's exactly the kind of Star Wars that punches you in the gut in the best way possible.
00:01:06
Speaker
So I'm excited to talk about it. I'm here with my Rebel co-pilot, Scotty Holiday, to talk about it. Scotty, after watching these three episodes, give me your overall thoughts. How do you feel right now?
00:01:17
Speaker
I feel pumped, like anxiety pumped, but also like having a great time pumped. It was very fun, very chaotic, very campy. And then it was straight into the stressful and intense and or by the end. So it was kind of everything I needed in a season two.
00:01:32
Speaker
Yes. Like a season two premiere. A hundred percent. And I think a big question we were asking before this episode released or these episodes released, three episodes, was can it live up to season one, if not do even better?
00:01:46
Speaker
is it too early for me to say that they have? Like, i fucking loved those three episodes and it highlighted exactly what I loved about season one. I feel like there's a lot more action. There's a lot more things to focus on.
00:02:01
Speaker
But at the end of the day, it still had that aspect that felt so relatable and human and every single thing that happened i feel like I felt to the emotion um you know Vel and Sinta seeing each other after all these years and the intense anger and and pain and frustration of what happened to Bix at the end of the episode when that imperial officer literally tries to a word we can't really say on YouTube, um but I don't want to take away the intensity of that. Very important themes here. And I feel like I felt every single one of those emotions, those gut punches, the celebration of Cassian escaping of, you know, that that jungle moon that looks a little recognizable. So
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah, that reveal. But I want to ask you, Scotty, do you feel like it lived up to season one and gone beyond it? Or am I just jumping the gun here by saying i think it went beyond season one?
Tone Shift in Season 2 and Audience Reception
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Speaker
I find that really interesting because as I was watching it, while I was really, really into it and really, really enjoying it, I was a little worried that people were going to be like, this is weird. This is different because until we get to like really the third episode to me, the tone feels a bit different.
00:03:16
Speaker
um It feels a little bit more like campy and chaotic, like I said, which that was definitely there in season one. But it It was different. And maybe it's because, and I kind of thought about this myself.
00:03:28
Speaker
We're so used to everyone being in like the pressure cooker of Coruscant. These people are are out of Coruscant. They're out in the galaxy doing things. ah Half of our cast is at a wedding of all places. And, you know, weddings are just chaotic and crazy. And by the end, like I said, we get to be stressful, anxiety inducing and or that we all know and love and while i loved it the entire time i am a little worried some people are gonna give it kind of crap for not being exactly the same thing at first so i found it interesting that you said it was like better and like everything that you wanted in so much like season one not that i disagree i just felt like it was more of my flavor like i felt like it was more for me
00:04:09
Speaker
that That makes sense.
Story Pacing and Character Development
00:04:11
Speaker
i just I feel like with the show, obviously we know that they have a lot of story to get through, condensing four seasons into this one season. So that naturally is going to have a lot more for them to cover and things are going to have to be faster paced.
00:04:26
Speaker
But I don't know. I feel like everything that I enjoyed from the first season was was still there. They still had the time to take things slow and, you know, really dive into things. I mean, the show starts off with Cassian Andor talking to this Imperial inspector. um And of course, only Andor would be a show bold enough to start this whole thing with an Imperial inspector.
00:04:50
Speaker
being nervous about you know joining the rebellion or doing rebellious activities it's something that like you don't really get to see focused on in star wars something you know yeah someone so minuscule as an imperial inspector for tie fighters but it was just such ah a cool moment that they expanded on and they spent a lot of time on that with cassian you know reassuring her and letting her know she's, you know, doing a good thing here, taking her first steps into ah rebellion, you know.
00:05:21
Speaker
So immediately off the jump, I'm like, OK, this is kind of the the same vibe here. But at the same time, we've spent a lot of time with these characters. We know them. It's not like we have to have introductions of like Brasso, Bix and and things like that. We're able to just immediately get into the action.
00:05:38
Speaker
And maybe that's where it feels a little different. I don't know. I haven't seen what other people thought. I just know for me. haven't either. Yeah. And so I just know for me, I was like, wow, like they're they're doing it.
00:05:52
Speaker
You know, i I just enjoyed this arc a lot and and felt every single emotion that came with it every moment. So don't know, maybe it's just like recency bias, but I feel like they're they're in it. They're doing even better than season one. And I'm so excited to see where the show goes.
00:06:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's in you brought up exactly what I was hoping for when we talked about this previously. And when we talked about the trailers and stuff, we know our characters so we can just jump right into it. Whereas we had that slow burn in season one where we got to know everybody.
00:06:23
Speaker
Now we can really focus on their arcs and where they go as characters. And we definitely did a lot of that. Yeah. Oh, 100%. And I think we should just immediately get into it.
00:06:34
Speaker
So the way we're going to do this is we're going to break it up by the different perspectives. We know we had Cassian and the rebels lead his wedding. um And we're going to talk about all of them. And first, we'll start with our main character Cassian and or and his journey. It all starts, as I mentioned, stealing a TIE fighter with the help of an Imperial inspector.
00:06:55
Speaker
He's successful in stealing it, but It's hella messy. there There's there's so much chaos. It wasn't the one that he was trained to fly. um but I love that moment. And I loved seeing someone be bad at piloting because I feel like in Star Wars, a lot of the times characters are just thrown into the pilot seat and they're really good at it. And we never get to see like.
00:07:14
Speaker
a bad pilot. Yeah. Well, and ah on top of that, a lot of these characters also usually have the force. So that's there to help them. Cassian couldn't even figure out how to like sit and like he had to, couldn't even figure out how to get the chair to sit in and like where to position his hands. And,
00:07:31
Speaker
He literally we all think he's going to fly forward right out from the trailers. And sure enough, he goes in reverse and slams the thing. But that tie Avenger is a tank because it took a lot of a lot of hits up against walls and canyons. And it was really fun, though. I really enjoyed it. And it was nice, like you said, seeing Cassian kind of struggle and kind of work his way into getting forward to hopefully get off that planet.
00:07:56
Speaker
I did think he was going to go pick up his Imperial Inspector friend. and um I hope she made it out okay.
Rebel Dynamics and Internal Conflicts
00:08:02
Speaker
I know. And I thought about that and I was like, I guess it is part of the tragedy though. like Cassian doesn't know what happened to her. You can only hope that everything went well for her, that she didn't die like she was scared of. But...
00:08:14
Speaker
you know yeah at the end of the day it's all part of the rebellion as nemec said in season one all of these things will eventually break the camel's back and everything will all come rushing and we see that in a new hope and all of this is leading up to it but yeah it definitely was heartbreaking to think like what possibly happened to that imperial inspector And I also really liked seeing Cassian shoot at the troopers because he had that moment where I feel like he was thinking, I'm fighting these bastards for real. Like Luthan said in season one, because he he just even amidst all the chaos and the struggle, he couldn't help but like smirk after he blasted that one range trooper out into space. You know, i thought that was such a good moment. He's in it now. Like this is the Cassian we know.
00:09:00
Speaker
in that moment honestly felt like i was playing jedi fallen order oh yeah like shooting it shooting especially when you're in what is it zeffo and they've got the stupid rocket launcher guys who are just shooting the crap out of you or ilum it felt just like that it probably helped that it was snowy and we're in an imperial base but i was like Yes, fuck him up. yeah And I specifically love the line too that he said to the inspector when he says you're coming home to yourself. You've become more than your fear.
00:09:27
Speaker
I really like that. And that really stood out and it kind of shows how Cassian's grown in this time that we haven't been with him over the past year. Yeah, and I think that's like a glimpse into how this season's going to go with the years in between or the one year in between each arc.
00:09:42
Speaker
You know, we're going to get thrown into these stories and that kind of it's kind of how this one started, even though, you know. it's the first arc we were still thrown into it. I feel like, you know, in other shows, we might have seen like Cassian actually talking to this pilot named Porco that he was stealing the the ship for. And we would have seen all that play out.
00:10:02
Speaker
Instead, we're thrown into it with a conversation with this Imperial inspector, not even the conversation. The first thing we see is just her inspecting the ship, you know, kind of a long drawn out thing of it. But It just, you know, it works. It feels so good. It's those long, quiet and or scenes that, you know, they got so much.
00:10:21
Speaker
So many people talked about those great scenes in season one, and that's exactly how we start. So, yeah, it was a great return to form. Yeah, 100%. And speaking of that pilot named Porco, Cassian gets to this jungle location. At this point, we're not sure what it is, but we know that the ship was stolen for the rebellion as Cassian later reveals. But when he gets there, the pilot that he was working with, Porco, is not there.
00:10:47
Speaker
Instead, Porco has been killed by a group of rebels that's now on Cassian's ass. um And they explain that the... that Porco was, you know, hostile and they had to shoot him and i' i don't trust him. I don't believe him. This, this group of rebels seems very, very eager to get in a fight, especially a fight with the people that are on their side.
00:11:13
Speaker
very frustrating i had so many thoughts about this arc i'm not gonna lie i'm gonna be completely honest i fucking hated them yeah and every time we had to go back to catch up with them i was like oh my god they were just so infuriating and that's probably the point like it's showing how incompetent like rebellion is at this point and it just furthers why It takes them time to build up and then finally come together as one united group.
00:11:40
Speaker
yeah And we see this in this little example of this one group. Like you said, they're fighting against each other instead of working together to get off the planet, which is what they're trying to do. Exactly. and But I was just like, they're so God annoying. yeah And then as I'm watching this, I was like, this is how K2SO is going to fit into this season. Because I'm seeing these little...
00:12:01
Speaker
I'm seeing these little comedy bits, even Cassie and not being able to fly the ship. I was like, okay, but this is how it's going to make sense. Yeah. No, I literally wrote the same thing in my notes that we're seeing those humor moments and it's kind of paving the way for K2SO to come in there with his dry humor.
00:12:16
Speaker
But yeah. I totally agree. The thing that was frustrating about them is even after they learned that they were in fighting against people that someone that is literally supplying, you know, their rebellion, um and they still decide to tie him up and and keep him captive, even after he's helping them, giving them advice, very frustrating, very annoying. And it literally happens.
00:12:40
Speaker
in the real world. You know, there's all these different subgroups of, of, I guess, let's say the Democrats in America, there's all these different subgroups. Um, and they all fight against each other for not being like the perfect progressive, the perfect liberal and things like that.
00:12:55
Speaker
And, you know, they lost there. there's so many Democrats on different sides of the fence that they didn't all come together. They didn't all vote for the same person and they lost. And if they all came together and and stopped, you know,
00:13:10
Speaker
pitting themselves against each other and realize that they have a common enemy, things would have gone great. That goes even beyond the, you know, Democrats that, that goes with, you know, all of America and the actual enemies that we have. And, you know, people talk about Republican and Democrat, but a lot of the times we're suffering the same things. We want the same things. We want to see, you know, people prosper and be able to live in this country safely and and affordably.
00:13:38
Speaker
um but at the end of the day we're stuck fighting each other and quite frankly the government knows that and they want that because if we come together we are stronger than them um and that's exactly what we're seeing played out here andor i think it's interesting too that we started with this because we know that the last arc is most likely going to be yavin 4 and we're going to see all these groups finally come together and put aside their differences hopefully and hopefully some of these rebels as annoying as they are are some of the rebels we will see on Yavin.
Speculations on Rebel Survival and Narrative Depth
00:14:10
Speaker
And knowing now that that planet is Yavin, I think i think it's possible.
00:14:16
Speaker
Yeah, I was wondering that too. I was like, are any of them actually going to make it to like the rebellion on Yavin at the end? But even if one of them makes it, that will feel really satisfying. And you bring up so many good points. like You can even dial it back to such a minuscule amount and talk about the Star Wars fandom.
00:14:34
Speaker
Oh yeah. We all, said we all love star Wars, but we're fighting to the granted. and in both situations, whether you take it real world or s small, like the fandom, right? Like there's shit that we're not going to agree with and are going to continue to fight that. But you know, at some point, don't know. don't want to, I don't want say compromise, but like,
00:14:54
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. And I do want to clarify, I don't mean like, let's come together and put human rights aside. Like, no, that that is what we're fighting about that. If you are on the side of these humans don't deserve rights, you are the ones that we need to band together and fight against. So yeah, yeah I hope that goes without saying.
00:15:12
Speaker
um But yeah, this group, it's frustrating. um it It was a ah cool dynamic, though, I guess with the the two leaders, um or the wannabe leaders now that the leader Maya was her name.
00:15:26
Speaker
um they're They're arguing over who gets to be the leader. And it's it's literal stupid bullshit like that that literally caused them to go in an all out war against each other. all right not and Not a war, but a battle, a pretty significant battle that lasted ah least a day.
00:15:42
Speaker
Yeah, they were just wasting time. And then they, quote unquote, try to resolve the issue finally playing rock, paper, scissors. Literally. Like crazy. It's so childish. And they look like child. there They look like children playing the fucking game, all all serious about it.
00:15:57
Speaker
And Cassian uses that as a distraction to finally get the fuck out of there. I was hoping that because we kind of saw it at the start when he was first trying to escape is get that one guy on his side. Be like, if we join together, we can get out of here.
00:16:12
Speaker
I was kind of hoping that he was going to leave with somebody. But yeah, I guess that's just, you know, the. the redemption person in me that wants to see a character that started off annoying as fuck go on to be a hero of the rebellion on Yavin.
00:16:28
Speaker
Well, there's still time for that to happen. you know We're only three episodes in. We're only in week one out of four, so right we'll we'll learn pretty quick, hopefully. Yeah, 100%. And yeah, that pretty much like wraps up the the Cassian and the rebels part of it because when he escapes, a dinosaur comes in.
00:16:46
Speaker
or a dinosaur-like creature comes in attacks everyone he's able to escape he has his his tie fighter that he cannot pilot correct me if i'm wrong that was confirmed to be a tie avenger right yeah it was i don't know confirmed on starwars.com and like the episode guide it's a ship that was like specifically made and in one of the older star wars games and it was like officially now brought into canon I see. Okay, then yeah I don't remember what game it was, but yeah, it's TIE Avenger confirmed on Star Wars dot com.
00:17:17
Speaker
So that's pretty cool. Then that that's cool to see. um But yeah, it's spacey. It's got a spacey little cockpit in there. They could have people in the back then you got It was crazy. I was like, you can send a couple people in here. No wonder they didn't make a lot of them.
00:17:31
Speaker
I know. I know. and And poor Cassian doesn't know how to fucking fly it It's not the one he trained with. I thought that was so funny. But i know as he gets out of there and we kind of, you know, teased this, it's shown that that planet was Yavin IV, the planet that the Rebels eventually all come together on. It's the Rebel base we see in Rogue One and A New Hope.
00:17:51
Speaker
So that's really exciting because that is something that I kind of always wondered is how how did the rebels choose that location? And I wonder if that's something we'll actually get to see play out like Cassian being like, oh, I know a place, you know, and then they all go there.
Cassian's Personal Tensions and Plot Foreshadowing
00:18:09
Speaker
Yeah, I think that would be cool. But when Cassian leaves, he calls Clea. He's out in space and is really just looking for a place dry, he says, to just relax. He's not really looking to get to Mina Rao yet, but Clea tells him that he cannot call home, and that worries him well.
00:18:28
Speaker
and he just immediately flies off to mean a row to see what the fuck is going on there where Bix Brasso and, uh, Wilman are and all, all the people that he cares about that we see at the end of season one.
00:18:43
Speaker
Um, I and almost like, Cleo, what the fuck? Why did you say it that way? Like she had to have known that that was going to freak him the fuck out and immediately rush there. And I just kept thinking, oh my God, like if Cassian gets there amongst all the things happening on Mina Rao, it's going to cause chaos. It's not going to be good. He's not going to be saving anybody like he wants to. just had so much anxiety of him actually getting back there amongst everything that was happening there.
00:19:13
Speaker
I mean, i think that just goes to show that really the one in charge of the operation is Luthen. Oh, yeah. Because I think Luthen could have kept Cassian from making that decision. But Clea, like you said, she didn't pick her wording carefully like Luthen would.
00:19:30
Speaker
And that's why Cassian just doesn't acknowledge her. I did find it really interesting too, that everyone's like on a first name basis now. Yeah. um Yeah. Cause they even said Bix name. They know where she's at. They're in contact with Bix on Mina Rao.
00:19:44
Speaker
They're in contact with Cassian. yeah I thought it was really interesting just hearing like both Clea and Luthen mentioned Bix, but also obviously Cassian by name. Cause we know, you know, Clea was not down with bringing anybody else in. Yeah. And Luthen was just kind of like, well, you don't have choice. We need him.
00:20:00
Speaker
Yeah, we need a rebellion. Yeah, we're we're starting to see that rebellion form. And I think that's really cool. um Oh, yeah. But we're starting to see the the cracks as well. So yeah, and the drama, the drama of it all. I cannot wait till we start talking about Lita's wedding. my god, I know.
00:20:19
Speaker
I think that we should get into Mina Rao next, where Cassian was
Immigration Parallels in 'Andor' and Real World
00:20:23
Speaker
headed. So all the way back to the beginning again, we know that Brasso, Willman, B2Emo, and Bix, they all reside in a home on Mina Rao with a local woman named Tali. And fucking shout out to Tali.
00:20:36
Speaker
Shout out to the legals that are protecting the illegals um or the illegal immigrants, Tali. it's you know it's something we need more of in the real world and so fucking shout out to her i'm glad that her and brasso had each other um they live a peaceful life they harvest grain on mineral which is seen as like an essential thing um so even though they're immigrants um they're kind of allowed to be there and they feel protected by the fact that they are running an essential business pretty much something that yeah around needs to exist
00:21:12
Speaker
Yeah, and and there was a big focus on the fact that there are a lot of people there who are not from Mineral. I even wrote down in my notes, like they use phrases like legal, illegal, undocumented, checking visas. like And it was such a real-world parallel that unfortunately is like in the realist, most nightmarish form right now in our world. yeah So it was it was really...
00:21:37
Speaker
I'm, you know, Tony Gore couldn't have planned that out. Right. But it just happened so perfectly. And I'm, it makes me hope that people watching the show, you know, those people that like, don't catch on to these things, maybe they will, you know, hearing those words, yeah you know, I'm legal, I'm undocumented. The empire is checking visas. We don't have visas. I'm like, maybe this will make people think and like have things click in their head that, you It's such a, oh, well, it doesn't, you know, I'm not affected by this issue, so I don't worry about it. Right. But like you said, like these people who are legal, like Brasso's girlfriend, even though she is fine and she doesn't have to do anything to protect herself, she's using her privilege yeah to protect people who don't have that privilege and whose lives are at stake.
00:22:25
Speaker
We're seeing that with ICE right now. We're seeing people being sold to prisons. Yeah. I mean, like, ugh. Yeah, it's it's crazy how much it parallels the real world. And as I always say, Star Wars, it's a great way to show people, hey, you're rooting for these rebels, right? Well, the same thing's happening in real in the real world. Hopefully you can root for those people, too.
00:22:48
Speaker
um Yeah. And it's funny because we talked about this on the podcast before with Tony Gilroy saying that he's not necessarily picking and choosing things that are happening today. It's just that history often repeats itself and we're seeing the same things here. But I couldn't help but think about the Salvadorians that, you know, in 2001, they were told that they could have citizenship or temporary citizenship seek refuge in America after they had these devastating earthquakes.
00:23:15
Speaker
They couldn't live in El Salvador anymore. And this promise allowed them to work here legally in the United States. And because it's unsafe to return home and a lot of them were contributing to society, paying taxes, becoming essential workers, homeowners, parents of U.S. citizens that were born here.
00:23:35
Speaker
And then suddenly Donald Trump comes into office. And this was in his first term, um not even talking about his current term where he fucked this situation up even more. But he kind of pulled that promise.
00:23:48
Speaker
You know, for a long time, they were renewing the Salvadorian status because they couldn't go back home. Trump removed that program. And now they're all getting deported. Even though they were fucking promised that they could live here and make a life for themselves here and built their lives on that promise.
00:24:04
Speaker
They changed the fucking rules and now they're breaking the law. And so they need to be deported. And now everybody calls them, you know, criminals and and shit like that. And we're seeing people that have done nothing wrong being deported out of a place that they've called their home since 2000 fucking one And it's the same thing we saw here where, like I said, you know, Bix, Brasso, they're they're harvesters and they literally bring this up multiple times throughout the episode. Even the Imperials themselves, they say they're bringing essential work to the planet. We need these things to happen or there's no harvest. We need these this work to happen or there's no harvest.
00:24:43
Speaker
And suddenly they they pull the rules and now they're randomly checking visas and arresting people for not being legal, even though These people were safe beforehand before the empire came in and fucked everything up. It had been 10 years apparently since anything like this had even happened.
00:24:59
Speaker
So, yeah, that's definitely something that I thought about that real world connection. I could not help but think about the Salvadorians that were promised, you know. The main thing I always think about is how America was built by immigrants.
00:25:14
Speaker
um And we're watching a country that we live in that was built with immigrants. And we're watching... generations later going back on like people feeling like they're better. Like, Oh, I'm an American. Yes. But where's your family from?
00:25:31
Speaker
Where does your line trace back to? Cause it doesn't necessarily start in America. absolutely You have immigrants and you're like generations and your lines and your family. So yeah, it just infuriates me. I'm like,
00:25:44
Speaker
Just because you were born here, other people are born here too, and that makes them American. Oh, it frustrates me so much. I'm just like, we're a country built on immigrants. Yeah. So why are we now trying to act like we're for better than people that are immigrating at this stage in life?
00:25:57
Speaker
Literally. And even that parallels to the empire that literally didn't exist 15 years prior to this episode. Now coming in and thinking that they can rule over and decide who's legal and who's illegal because now they rule Mina Rao.
00:26:13
Speaker
You didn't exist 15 years ago. So like how the fuck could you possibly come in and dictate a planet that's probably existed for centuries, you know, thousands and thousands of years. It's it's crazy. um Yeah.
00:26:27
Speaker
On a separate note, I really did like this planet's design. Yeah. I really like the kind of the cities within the standalone mountains in the fields. I thought that was really cool. And being able to use the grass as kind of like um like walls or, you know, when Willman and his little girlfriend were were hiding behind them, you know, little romantic moments. um And yeah, to go back, i really loved seeing before all this chaos ensued with the checking the visas, seeing these people from Ferrix where we saw what happened. They can't go back to their home.
00:27:00
Speaker
living a relatively normal and peaceful life, you know, says traumatized and she has these nightmares. Oh my God. I know that Dr. Gorse jump scare. I know. I thought that was fucking real. was like, my God, were we're, we're starting with this, but I also did the camera, like every serial killer movie where like, you're seeing it from the like killer's point of view where they're like stalking the victim. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then the mirror shot where it's Dr. Gorse. I'm like, ah, Yeah, fucking fucking terrifying.
00:27:31
Speaker
And but I also couldn't help but think like even in that sequence, you see Wilman sleeping outside. You see their door is wide open. So they're not necessarily terrified at all times, you know, of. Yeah. And until, of course, this all happens. But it was just nice to see that, you know, seeing Wilman after everything with his father in season one and literally having to create a bomb at such a young age because he needs to fight for his home.
00:27:55
Speaker
Now he kind of has a moment to relax and have a little girlfriend. And, you know, Bix even gets to tease him about it like an older sister, you know. so it was just nice to see them living peacefully before all this chaos ensued in episode three and fucking Brasso died.
00:28:12
Speaker
Fuck you, Tony Gilroy. But not really. I cried about it. But I'm sure you expected that I was going to cry at that. I didn't think they were going to get me in the first arc. But yeah, take got by the end of it, I was like, ah you cried.
00:28:26
Speaker
um i didn't really cry, but I definitely teared up. I definitely. Yeah. I'm not alone. I can make fun of you. Yeah, exactly. And as you know, that's basically the equivalent of like you sobbing.
00:28:38
Speaker
You know, me tearing up. That means that you probably ugly cried. We got to work on that, Austin. We got to open you up a little more emotionally. but that's We can do that off air.
00:28:49
Speaker
Well, I definitely felt other emotions, though, intense emotions, because this one Imperial officer pissed me off so fucking bad before he even committed a horrible atrocity, like the worst thing that a human being could possibly do to another human being, even before that.
00:29:07
Speaker
was like, fuck this guy, because I just knew. i just knew as soon as he walked up to Bix and started questioning her and then, you know, tried to get at her, you know, offering a date, I knew the moment she said, i don't think my husband would like that, that this fragile imperial man would not be able to take that and not be able to take the rejection. And immediately he changes his demeanor.
00:29:32
Speaker
um He's immediately talking about cheating. And thank God in that moment, bras Brasso comes in and, you know, He obviously gets away because the thing he wants is Bix alone. We see what happens when he finds Bix alone later on.
00:29:47
Speaker
ah well he usually he literally wants to use his power over her. And the worst part about it is he's some low ranking imperial, but he's still looking down her one because he's like, yeah, I know you're undocumented.
00:30:00
Speaker
And because she's a woman. right he's a man 100 but it's just like it's so crazy because i literally had to do a harassment training just like at work today just like general training that everybody has to do but i literally did it today right and so as he was like going up to her i was like oh you want to get dinner sometime with me and i was like oh god he's harassing her yeah and then the whole like sa by the end of it that was like so terrifying and And disgusting. Yeah.
00:30:29
Speaker
It just was, I'm like, Bix has been through so much. yeah Like, oh yeah I need this girl to catch a break. Yeah. She doesn't deserve any of this. Yes, exactly.
Bix's Emotional Performance and Impact
00:30:38
Speaker
And I want to give a huge shout out to Adria Arjona for her performance in this these three episodes but specifically the scene where he first walks up to her and finds her as she's finishing up a job you can feel how timid she gets you know when he's nearby and you just immediately think back to the trauma that she probably has like the ptsd of even seeing an imperial officer after everything she went through in the finale of season one ah i didn't even think about that
00:31:06
Speaker
yeah you i mean just when you go back and watch it just you know you can feel it's it's very um calculated within her performance like it's on purpose that you can feel the the fucking trauma coming off of her and and her being scared of of him even though in that moment all he's really doing is just you know talking to her um asking her questions but he's a man in an imperial uniform and Someone like Bix who went through those things are obviously going to be terrified of that.
00:31:37
Speaker
um So, yeah, she she gave an incredible performance. Yeah. Well, in general, just a man coming up to a woman, a strange man. Yeah. And she's alone. Like women have to go through so much. Yeah.
00:31:51
Speaker
It's, it's bullshit. It's absolute bullshit. And it sucks that everything happened at the end there because before that she was, they they had a whole plan to get, get out of there.
00:32:03
Speaker
They were going to go to a far away place under the guise that there was an emergency job needed um And they were going to use that excuse of any Imperial stop them that way when the Imperials came by and did their inspection, they wouldn't be there.
00:32:17
Speaker
They were too late. um They already started seeing Imperial activity and something interesting is that we see that TIE fighter fly by them. And I'm sure just like me, your first thought was, oh, that's Cassian.
00:32:30
Speaker
But it's later revealed that he was not even there yet. So that TIE fighter was not Cassian. I think that was kind of interesting, kind of ah like we're going to think it's Cassian, but it then it's revealed it's not Cassian.
00:32:42
Speaker
don't know. like a weird, weird layers to that of like knowing and not knowing. i don't know. Well, part of me wonders if that was because it was supposed to make us think it was cassian yeah and then the episode would end and tony gilroy thought we'd have to wait another week for the story to pick up right for us to find out it wasn't him yeah um that's just a little theory but i'm like that was weird to throw that shot in there and then we we never see a tie fighter before that and we never see one again until cassian gets there so yeah it was just a little odd maybe it was just to also show like yeah the imperial presence on
00:33:17
Speaker
minarau is like no joke yeah a hundred percent but especially when they show up when those big guns and things i'm like what do y'all think you're gonna run into literally because these are fucking farmers but like i don't know what the fuck they thought they were going to run into you know what else too and it's something i didn't think about until now we've we can already tell that of the time jump because there's a lot more stormtroopers now yeah that's less uniformed less of the like regular uniformed soldiers and we're seeing a lot more stormtrooper armor and i didn't even think about that until now that shot of the stormtroopers with like their blasters up walking through the fields yeah takes me back to rogue one oh yeah and i don't know if it's a rogue one trailer of stormtroopers or maybe it's just the imagery that they had in one of the posters but i was like this feels like ah like a like callback to a rogue one shot
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. I mean, Rogue One, a lot of the way it's shot is like emphasizing the being on the ground. That was very much Gareth Edwards, you know, filmmaking style, like think back to Godzilla, you know, you have this giant big ass creature in your movie. And he was very focused on like, having the camera on a human level, like on the ground next to the humans. And um yeah, that's, that's very much, you know, Rogue One and now and or as well, I actually feel like that's something that they brought over from him. So we're kind of seeing Gareth Edwards blessing on Andor.
00:34:43
Speaker
But yeah, they have this whole plan with this guy named Kellen, who I thought was really cool. I was like, oh, hell yeah. You know, another legal citizen, you know, helping out people supposedly using his privilege.
00:34:55
Speaker
But him and his wife don't really or I don't know about him specifically, but his wife is not like the fact that their daughter is is involved with willman and it's kind of don't know i i kind of wonder what angle they were taking it as i feel like there's a lot of ways to look at it but i almost feel like there may be a sense of they're fine and totally fine like fighting against the racism or the the xenophobia against the illegals but
00:35:27
Speaker
when it comes to their personal lives, their own daughter, their pure daughter, that's legal. oh how dare, how dare an immigrant and a legal immigrant get involved with, with, with my pure daughter.
00:35:40
Speaker
And so in that moment, when he leaves his bike out front, they have no problem selling them in that moment and being like, Oh, yeah. yeah that Yeah. These guys are illegal. The mom in that moment. Yeah. it was She got real nasty for some reason. I was like, yeah why are you coming on so hard on your daughter? Literally. And I didn't think about that.
00:36:00
Speaker
they they like look down on on yeah They looked down on women, so they're like, our daughter could not yeah date this this guy who's not even from our planet. He's on the run. Like, oh, I didn't even think of that. That's so gross. Yeah.
00:36:13
Speaker
And so like part of me thinks that Kellen... He was like genuinely wanting to help these people. But the second that it felt like he was him and his family were in danger, he was immediately ready to sell them out.
00:36:27
Speaker
There were way was so many more excuses that he could have come up with for why that bike was in his yard other than, oh my daughter's illegal boyfriend left that here. So we'll go after them. I'm pretty sure they also ran. It was like not not an outpost, like maybe like a general store type thing. So like maybe he just stopped by the store.
00:36:48
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like you didn't need to do all that. but Yeah, exactly. Because it seems like they were being fed. Then Brasso comes because he's looking for Willman because They're about to leave and and finally make their escape, but it's all too late.
00:37:01
Speaker
Brasso gets caught, and that's when he's like, oh, that's one of those mechs from down the road, the illegal ones. And in that moment, it's confirmed that Kellen clearly told them because they look to Kellen and be like...
00:37:13
Speaker
these these the illegal immigrants you're talking about right yeah it fuck that guy fuck that guy and it's even funny the foreshadowing of him saying don't thank me yet you know don't mind if i don't we're not thanking that fucker kellen fuck you and now to kind of conclude both the cassian side of things and the mina rau side of things cassian comes in Saves
Rebel Actions and Consequences
00:37:39
Speaker
the day. We see that shot from the trailer where he blows up the transport. And with with context added, that that that scene was just so much cooler. I don't know if he knew that they were specifically headed towards Bix and Willman, but still cool to see him blow up all their ships and and totally cause chaos. but
00:37:58
Speaker
Yeah, he doesn't care anymore. He literally sees an Imperial goodbye. Especially especially when it comes to saving the ones he loves, but... Well, and and he knows the Imperials aren't going to think twice about killing him.
00:38:10
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. um But unfortunately, amidst all the chaos, and I've tried to go back and rewind and find the specific moment. I think they leave it out, um but Brasso does not make it. He either gets gunned down by the stormtroopers or what is could be even more heartbreaking, um maybe one of the explosions that Cassian causes actually ends up being the thing that knocks Brad. No, I don't like that. That's I don't like it. but But it's it's it's good storytelling.
00:38:43
Speaker
i assumed it was um just one of the blaster bolts that happened either they shot him or shot like the bike got hit and then he crashed from it because it also kind of looked like the bike kind of fell on top of him yeah um which oh god that just makes you think anemic like what if it crushed his lungs or something oh i don't want to think about brass's death anymore i'm gonna cry yeah poor poor brazo r.i.p he's such a good guy too like seeing all his moments and Well, and the fact that because we know like what death means to the people of Ferex and Cassian just having to leave Brassos there with like no funeral, no, you know, stone, um a stone in the sky.
00:39:25
Speaker
Right. There wasn't even time for Bix to go back and see him. Like they had to rush out. So I know when they did the horrible, they did the horrible where one character asks if the other character makes it.
00:39:35
Speaker
And the one character doesn't say anything. They just confirm with the no head nod. And I, Oh, it always feels like a gut punch. Cause it's like, they can't even, they can't even put it into words because of how much shock it is It's like, no.
00:39:47
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's, it's sickening, yeah, luckily um Brasso is the the only one that that passed away well we haven't seen Jessie and she was on the ship when they left I did think about that I was like was she not available for filming i she was the she wasn't the only one not available for season 2 clearly yeah yeah but I was like did I miss a line of dialogue or something where they explained it but yeah I was like where's she at
00:40:19
Speaker
I guess she left in the quad jumper and went somewhere else. That's what I'm going to headcanon for her. Or she had a little boyfriend somewhere farther away. Maybe. yeah Maybe she's up she's up in the city on the little mountain.
00:40:32
Speaker
um But also, obviously, he didn't die, but B2 gets left behind. did? was sad, too. yeah oh i thought he was with them well at least no tally oh that's that's that's right you're right him and tally went off oh fuck oh fuck stepmom of the year tally and she okay but i did kind of hate where she was like don't worry we'll forget about them or some shit that she said to be and i'm like you can't forget about them yeah but she's just like we're we're gonna have so much fun that we don't even think about them
00:41:03
Speaker
i know well i hope we see b2 again because if that was his end like i'm glad he like made it and he you know what that probably was the end of b2 because they emphasized a lot of him having his little droid friends playing around with the kids very true very true but that was his like ride into the sunset i guess Yeah, but does that mean that this is the death of my B2 Emo K2SO theory, where K2SO gets B2 Emo's personality uploaded to him?
00:41:34
Speaker
Well, I'm pretty sure Tony Gilroy confirmed at Celebration that we won't see K2 until the third arc, so... Yeah, but, it could you know, it could have... Who's to say B2 at that point in time? Who's to say B2 wasn't going to make it to the third arc? You know what i mean?
00:41:51
Speaker
So, but I guess the Derry might be dead. Oh, well.
00:41:57
Speaker
But moving on, I think we should move into the Imperial side of things next with Dedra and Cyril. But starting off with Dedra and Major Partagaz. Such a weird name. Such a funny name. Major Partagaz.
00:42:11
Speaker
I know. I always think of all the people online that call him like Fartagaz. Because I couldn't remember his name while i was writing my notes. And I was like, fuck, what's that guy's name? It's something silly. yeah And then i was like, oh yeah, Partagaz.
00:42:23
Speaker
But we get the return of Director Krennic. And which know you loved. Yes. And Ben Mendelsohn is a fucking phenomenal actor. Holy fuck. He's great. Yeah.
00:42:34
Speaker
I did forget how good he is. And he described in one of the behind the scenes interviews saying that he's, um, director Kronik is fruitier. um Ben Mendelsohn's words. And I'm like, Oh yeah. The camp.
00:42:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Is on full display down to the, I'm going to show this little fucking travel ad. Yeah. Like he's just being so ridiculous. And once again, this is how we're creeping the humor.
00:42:58
Speaker
into Andor, which I love. Yeah. Didn't think I'd love it, but so far i'm just like, this is so funny. And it just shows how pompous and like full of themselves. The Imperials are, especially the way like in the whole meeting, he's like, I spoke with the emperor and we've handpicked y'all. yeah And he's very excited about this. And if you have issues or you let somebody know, you will speak to the emperor yourself. yeah You're better than all your colleagues. You cannot talk to them about this meeting. Like,
00:43:27
Speaker
yeah It's so ridiculous. He put on a full a full display. It was, but yeah like you said, very camp. But yeah, they had a ah secret meeting. Director Krennic brought um Dedra, major party guys, and all these other high you know high-end Imperials to come together for this secret job.
00:43:44
Speaker
that nobody knows about, but him and Emperor Palpatine. And like you said, even their supervisors are not meant to known. And i think that that's going to come up in a smaller scale relationship that we're seeing. But I'll talk about that later when we get to them, which is also in this section.
00:44:03
Speaker
um But Krennic, he basically says, there he he promised to deliver the Death Star within three years. But for that to happen, he needs a mineral called cal kite to coat the reactor lenses a bunch of star wars but as soon as i heard the word reactor and remember that's like what they have to blow up yep um in a new hope i was like reactor oh my god they're they're talking about the death star but they're keeping it like here's another secret part of the death star like they were building a secret parts on it on narkeena 5 and we found out that was like
00:44:40
Speaker
to stabilize beans or some shit krennic's working on this other part that's going to help stabilize reactors or whatever and have energy and
Empire's Media Control and Propaganda Parallels
00:44:49
Speaker
it's all under this guise of a emperor's energy program yeah it's like yeah you ain't talking about this energy program is as real as mon mothma's uh shandrilan outreach program yeah a hundred percent but And clearly the Cal kite did not do a good job at protecting the reactor lenses because they they blew it the fuck up in a new hope. But it's, well, that's what happens when you're on a time crunch and you don't give the people working on projects behind the scenes enough time to complete it. Yeah. Am I talking about a parallel about CGI and special effects?
00:45:24
Speaker
Maybe. Maybe, but um basically he's saying that they're hoping to find alternatives to this mineral that's found deep within the core of Gorman, but from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like he's going to try very hard to find alternatives and they will need to actually go to Gorman. He says that if they don't find an alternative,
00:45:48
Speaker
They will have to, ah have the exact wording. He says that they will need to have a firm grasp on the people of Gorman to silence any type of resistance or pushback, which the Gorman people are known for.
00:46:03
Speaker
um Yeah. And I wouldn't even necessarily say it's pushback. At least the way I understood it was that they, the Gorman people are like, we're doing our own thing. Our planet's great.
00:46:18
Speaker
Don't mess up what we have going on because like we're the center for, i mean, basically fabric and like, a little bit of the the high life. It's kind of like a fashion type thing going on.
00:46:29
Speaker
Maybe it gave me like maybe kind of a French vibe, but also a weird like 1950s retro futuristic. I don't know. I liked it. Yeah, 100%. But i I still would use the word pushback. They they do push back against Imperial activity.
00:46:44
Speaker
um The story supposedly is that they killed one of the Imperial inspectors because They had to shut down the shipping lanes so that there would be an inspection. And the story is that because of Gorman, um their egos, they needed to kill their guy at an ego. Yeah. and And stop, stop what was happening.
00:47:06
Speaker
But, He introduces these guys. Director Krennic introduces these guys by the name of D. Shambo and Nisus Osar, who claim to control the public opinion of Gorman.
00:47:20
Speaker
And they're the worst people in the world. Absolutely. Absolutely. And they they literally bring up the story of the Imperial shipping lane needing shut down. The Gorman people react retaliated and supposedly killed an inspector. I don't think so either. Because they say the line when they after he says that, he says, we did that.
00:47:39
Speaker
And so I almost think that like him or his team or whoever actually were the ones that killed the inspector. And then what did... And then blamed them on... Yeah, I agree. Blamed them on the Gormans and then blew up the story, shared it within the media. you know um They say that if you plant the correct seeds in the correct order in the correct media outlets, you will...
00:48:00
Speaker
eventually sway the public opinion. And that's another thing ah that happens in the real fucking world. You know, we see it all the time. I mean, think about like ah back in 2003, Fox News they repeated over and over that Iraq had ties to terrorism because post nine eleven yeah weapons of mass destruction. Yep. Exactly. That was a hot phrase. Yeah, exactly. Saying that, you know, they're, they're connected to terrorism and that justifies the fact that they invaded Iraq post 9-11 and the media here in the U S was painting
00:48:40
Speaker
um the people of Iraq and Iraq as a country as this horrible place. And so a lot of the citizens in America were like, oh, yeah, fuck those guys. Like, well, of course, you're going to ruin their entire lives and blow up their country. But I mean, we even saw this during like the the civil rights protests during the 50s and the 60s.
00:49:00
Speaker
So many like newspapers, political figures, they portrayed the civil right protesters as agitators, communists or just like an overall threat. And that swayed a lot of people's opinions to be like, yeah, fuck those guys. Or think back to even Nazi Germany. I mean, there was someone by the name of Joseph Goebbels.
00:49:21
Speaker
He was a minister of propaganda. He orchestrated a massive media campaign that portrayed the Jews as corrupt, subhuman, and just responsible for the problems in Germany, was able to sway the public opinion.
00:49:34
Speaker
And we're seeing that now. Think about the way that transgender people are thrown under the bus you know, or woke people, basically anybody who's not a white male. um Basically, there's an entire party that just won the fucking election saying that woke people are responsible for the issues in our country, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
00:49:55
Speaker
um And there's so many actual ways to deal with the problems of our country without throwing ah minorities and marginalized people under the bus. But that's what they do. And that's what they're doing in Andor.
00:50:06
Speaker
Fuck the empire. Well, and I mean, even talking about Tony Gilroy saying that history always repeats itself and talking about, you know, back during 2001 and one and nine eleven and saying that all the people of Iraq are all terrorists.
00:50:21
Speaker
We're seeing the same thing right now with Palestine. Oh, yeah. It's the same thing repeating itself. And yet people don't see it for what it is because ah the way the media chooses to portray it. yep I mean, we even see it with Donald Trump not allowing certain um news publications in the White House. yep Or we're seeing it with people like Elon Musk. Yeah.
00:50:45
Speaker
taking away features of just verifying if things are real or not on a social media app or removing people that he disagrees with let's not forget when he was like cis is a slur yep so i'm gonna block you from my website if you say i'm cis right 100 or even buying the fucking website in the first place and making it a right-wing echo chamber where literally on the day of the election, the front fucking page for every single Twitter user was an advertisement to vote for Donald Trump.
00:51:17
Speaker
Oh, and it's just all Trump ads all the time. Anyway, but I go through and I say like irrelevant, irrelevant. yeah they They make me so angry, yeah but don't want to get too far into the real world because we're still getting back to Andor. Right. But it's what we're seeing in Andor. We're seeing that play out with these two guys.
00:51:34
Speaker
They're the media controllers. Mm hmm. And once again, if people see this and don't make the connection, yeah what do you, mean you got some thinking to do a hundred percent. And I watch it a few more times.
00:51:47
Speaker
Right. And I don't even, you know, all the Imperials like somewhat question it, but they all are on board by the end of it, except Deidre. We know that she doesn't want to be part of the project, but it's not because she thinks it's fucked up necessarily. Like that's the thing is,
00:52:03
Speaker
The Empire has brainwashed these Imperials so bad that they're literally sitting here being told, yeah, we might go, first of all, steal their minerals, their natural minerals that we do not own and we need it for our planet killer um project.
00:52:19
Speaker
And at the same time, it could make the planet unstable, even implode. Or just destroy it. Yeah, implode the entire fucking planet at its core. um But it's it's needed because the reactor lenses need coded.
00:52:32
Speaker
so For the Emperor's energy program that's going to help the galaxy. and Insanity. Talk about propaganda. Right. And this is just one corner of this giant Death Star project because we already know of the fact that you know they've destroyed entire planets, entire systems. Think of Ilum trying to mine kyber crystals to the point where Ilum was you know so mined and so hollow by the time they finished that the First Order turned it into their own Death Star.
00:53:03
Speaker
you know like it's it's insane and this is just it's just crazy to think that this is just one small corner of the bullshit the empire brings on to the galaxy it's it's gross yeah it's disgusting Well, talking about gross and disgusting things. Yeah.
00:53:21
Speaker
Great segue into our new favorite couple, Cyril and Dedra.
Complex Relationships and Character Dynamics
00:53:26
Speaker
Do they have a ship name yet? Srildra? Oof. Dedril?
00:53:31
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think anyone had one prepared because... I think it was a little unexpected. Well, it's not unexpected, but I didn't just, I didn't imagine that the next time we would see these two characters was in the apartment that they shared together, living together, like putting off dinner with Cyril's mom. Yeah. It's just, Oh my God. And in general,
00:53:55
Speaker
Like just where we find them, even Cyril's introduction. He's such a fucking loser. Now he's risen the ranks in his call center job, which I can say that because I've worked in plenty.
00:54:06
Speaker
And he's like, what is the quote? I wrote it down. He says, there is a future here for those who dare. I'm like, God, Please shut the fuck up.
00:54:16
Speaker
You're such a fucking loser. And honestly, I'm just like, and you're dating an ISB officer. Like you fucking suck. Yeah.
00:54:27
Speaker
He's, he's a fucking dweeb and it's hilarious, but they're, Dynamic in their relationship. I can't lie. As weird as it is, it's one of the most intriguing things for me for this season to see where it goes.
00:54:40
Speaker
I think it's so interesting, not just seeing their dynamic. I mean, think of Dedra standing up to Edie, Cyril's mom, yeah who I think everybody is scared of or just like scared to stand up to.
00:54:53
Speaker
and No, I'm the Deidre in that situation because I've been like, we're not doing it yes we're not doing this shit. That's childish. You treat your son like shit. That's me.
00:55:04
Speaker
So I guess if you have an overbearing parent, I'm single. Well, that's the thing. I guess when it comes to parents and things like that, it's just scary to be like, this is not how you're going to treat your own child. But um but she knows that Cyril is locked in. Cyril is not going to leave her.
00:55:20
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. She knows he's locked in. It doesn't matter. Right. What other avenue does he have? But, you know, that that stuff's interesting to me. But think about the fact that, one, Dedra and Cyril, with Dedra, she has, like, such a front. I feel like she wants to seem very strong, authoritative. You know, she's...
00:55:40
Speaker
she's She wants to be a big ah big boss in the Empire, basically. um An HBIC. And so she's not going to let anybody see her be vulnerable. But when Cyril saved her in season one, he's kind of like the only character that has seen her in her vulnerable state. And now they're fucking. So now he's really seen her be vulnerable.
00:56:00
Speaker
And he's probably the only character still that's seen her be vulnerable. So that... relationship dynamic there is very interesting but what happens when this secret project that she can't tell cyril about starts to come into play it's very clearly going to drive a wedge into their relationship here or even worse cyril is going to do what he does best and try to take matters into his own hands and what if that is what happens with gorman cyril makes a fucking crazy mistake
00:56:31
Speaker
And it leads to the Gorman people being fucking massacred. And now everything Dedra was trusted with and was was told to take charge of is just in shambles because good old Cyril does what he does best and tries to take matters into his own fucking hands.
00:56:48
Speaker
I mean, i honestly could see a situation where she uses Cyril for exactly that because she wants to play this mastermind and she wants to be in control. And I could see her using him because she sees she sees from Edie how Cyril reacts to her and how Cyril submits to her yeah because of his mommy issues. And Deidre has control issues and OCD and she's also a fascist yeah and doesn't care about anything but herself. And like...
00:57:19
Speaker
climbing up the food chain so i could see her using cyril in the end in some certain way and whether he dies or she loses him from that i feel like that's just a sacrifice that she would make depending on if it got her to whatever goal i mean we see it when she's still like i have to find access and major part of guys is like Axis. You've been doing that for two years. We don't care anymore. Nothing came from it. like He's so over it, but she's still like on the hunt, essentially. like That's what she wants to focus on. She doesn't even want this amazing opportunity, as Major Partigas puts it.
00:57:54
Speaker
from director Krennic to like head this program. yeah Like she came up with the idea on how to resolve it. And Krennic's like, I handpicked you. And even after, you know, your Farrick's debacle, like yeah you clearly show resilience. Yeah.
00:58:07
Speaker
So it's, it's going to be weird to see how they play out for sure. Yeah. Especially Dejra. She's, she's one of the most interesting characters for me. I've thought that since season one, when they frame it in a way where you're,
00:58:20
Speaker
kind of rooting for her and you're kind of rooting to see her climb that ladder in the empire and then you realize oh my god i'm rooting for the fucking fascist to climb the fascist ladder i feel like it's kind of happening again i've already seen people online like just in a little bit i've like scrolled through my feed being like fuck dead drug but watching her tell off ed was so satisfying and it's i think that's on purpose because it's going to be a same situation where we're rooting for her she doesn't necessarily want to do the horrible gorman plan that we know is horrible we just talked about it you and i and everybody else like but she's like i don't want to focus on that and we're like yes don't focus on that because that's bad yeah and she also tells off her boyfriend's horrible mother and we're like yes because his mother fucking sucks yeah
00:59:08
Speaker
But yeah, eventually, like I said, there's going to be some turning point once again, and we're going to be reminded why Dedra fucking sucks. Yes, exactly. And like Denise Goff said at Star Wars Celebration this past weekend. It wasn't so girl boss. It was much more.
00:59:24
Speaker
It was much more fascist. I'm interested to see how it all plays out. I mean, all of this is interesting because we have the knowledge of Gorman, at least the fact that there is a Gorman massacre.
00:59:37
Speaker
So we know that this all eventually is going to lead into something even bigger. So it's fun to theorize where where where it could all go. Yeah. And they've even talked about, i think Tony Gilroy specifically, that it's not necessarily going to be a massacre in the way that we think. Right. So, yeah, I'm very interested to see what actually happens.
00:59:57
Speaker
I love the world building for Gorman, too, with that cheesy ad. Yeah. but Once again, it was so camp, like learning about the spiders. They like make all this clothing. It's very hoity-toity and fashionable. Like, and I'm excited to see what happens, but also terrified. Yeah, And I think that means it's time to move into something I'm interested in, excited to discuss with you as Mon Mothma's number one defender.
Mon Mothma's Political and Personal Struggles
01:00:24
Speaker
you know Mon Mothma's number one fan.
01:00:26
Speaker
was going to defender. You don't need to defend her. She's mother. yeah She's making it happen. Exactly. Very true. Talk about a girl boss. Yeah, the the drama of of it all with Lita's wedding and Tay and there's divorces involved and marriages. You know, it's interesting. You have marriage a marriage coming together with Lita and oh, what's her her boyfriend's name? I wrote it down. I wrote it down because it's never said in the Yeah, Skaten. It's rarely said in the show.
01:00:56
Speaker
Is that actually what it is? Yes. um Wait, I have it. It sounds right. Stekan is his name. Stechen. I was like, yeah, I said, well, scat is one thing. Skecton is another.
01:01:10
Speaker
um Very true. But just the drama from the beginning when Luthan Rail shows up and you see Mon Mothma frantically, you know, moving towards him and she runs into Vel and she's like,
01:01:23
Speaker
do you see who's here what the fuck is this guy doing here i was like oh god the drama i'm ready for it yeah i obviously this wedding subplot was my favorite part of these this first arc And we knew it was going to be Lita's wedding, like the ceremony itself, the Shandrilla three day event or however long it was. Yeah. um One, we got to see Shandrilla on screen.
01:01:50
Speaker
Finally. yeah i thought it looked super cool. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. I thought the sets looked great. um The lore. yeah And then, like you said, the drama of it all. um I kind of had theorized that Luthan was going to be on Shandrilla, but I didn't really know why. Yeah.
01:02:07
Speaker
Right. And then we find out he's bringing this gift because he knows Davos Skulden. Yeah. weird the And this is this is the drama. See, the wedding to me, I've always kind of talked about how Disney needs like a HBO has Game of Thrones.
01:02:24
Speaker
Disney needs their Game of Thrones show. This whole wedding yeah felt very Game of Thrones with all the interconnectivity and all the secrets, but like putting on a front and I could talk about it from a general standpoint, probably way longer. I could probably spend a whole episode talking about just this. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, i part of me kind of mourns the um version of Andor where it was five seasons and we might have had a whole arc dedicated to just the wedding.
01:02:54
Speaker
um But this was still this this was still very, very good. And, yeah, you talked about them putting up fronts, the acting there between Genevieve O'Reilly and Stellan Skarsgård. And I wish I knew Tay Koma's actor's name.
01:03:10
Speaker
um But they all did good. in And Davos Golden as well, like their actors putting on this front. I think I talked about this maybe at like celebration last weekend where we're seeing all these characters put on a front for each other and like it clashes with the other fronts and everything.
01:03:27
Speaker
You know, you can also tell by their acting, like it's an intentional choice that they're kind of acting a bit off to, you know, really show that they're putting on an act. There's just things like, like Luthan and Mon, like we'll stare at each other for a second too long or something like that, that you can just, you feel the the tension there.
01:03:47
Speaker
um i loved it all. And take home, ah the star of the whole Lita's wedding, the crash out of them all. Yeah.
01:03:57
Speaker
That man pissed me off so hard because at first I was like, oh, he's flirting with Mon now and she's not necessarily the one flirting with him. Like in season one, they kind of flip flopped. He's newly single, which is interesting. Yes.
01:04:11
Speaker
And I was like, oh my God, are they finally going to have their moment? Or even even if they don't have a moment, I think that this starts to plant the idea in Mon Mothma's head that like, because, you know, Te Koma, he's also from Chandrila, correct?
01:04:25
Speaker
And so he also had the same type of wedding, the, what's it called when they're put together? Arranged marriage. Yes, he had the same arranged marriage that Mon Mothma had. And it's kind of like a realization for her, like,
01:04:41
Speaker
oh, maybe I'm not stuck in this marriage forever. i don't know. Maybe that was something in the back of her mind. it like plants the seeds a little bit. We've learned, at least in the Mask of Fear um from the Reign of the Empire series, that Mon and Perrin's relationship has waxed and waned. yeah and they got to a point where like they don't ask questions, essentially. So i took that as kind of the opportunity, if they did want to go and have a...
01:05:13
Speaker
fling or something whether that be just an intimate setting whether it's a full-on like physical thing whatever right that's kind of the way that i took it and parent even made comments to mon about this her boyfriend i know and he honestly he seemed kind of jealous which i thought was very interesting too which i also thought like the wedding them planning it together for their daughter i thought maybe that would have brought them closer and i think it might have a little bit maybe on his side of things not ah yeah like for mon mothma i feel like no but like think about his speech and and things like that like there's moments where he's like looking at mon mothma and like yeah my lovely wife my shayla the eye contact was hard there and yeah i i yeah i think i think you're right come to think of it that maybe with perrin he's kind of reflecting back on that and what does he say he says that
01:06:07
Speaker
ah he was always weak and like Mon shoots parent daggers yeah after he says that maybe tey is weak, but Mon's in this really weird predicament throughout this whole sequence with Tay acting out Luth and noticing it, Mon kind of avoiding Tay because she just doesn't have time to focus on what he's trying to essentially just get her attention. Right.
01:06:33
Speaker
Um, at first. And then it turns into this plot where Luth and's like, I think that you need to check him because this is getting a little, it's getting a little sketchy. yeah He's spending a lot of time with Davos golden. and He's getting super drunk.
01:06:47
Speaker
Like we don't really know what he wants. And what it comes down to is we don't know what he wants in return yeah to the point where then Tay has to confront Mon yeah and is like, you're good.
01:06:59
Speaker
I got all your stuff squared away, but like, what am I getting out of this? Yeah. And what did you think about that conversation? Because I'm kind of torn on what I what i think he meant.
01:07:11
Speaker
So for me, first of all, i think he's valid in the way he feels because if you think about it, he's taken the big risks here, probably the biggest risks. you know He's talked about his his um investments have gone sour, things like that. Now now his his wedding or his marriage has gone to shit. We don't know if that's necessarily connected to his activity here, but...
01:07:33
Speaker
It's possible. No, but it's still going to dampen this mood. Exactly. 100%. And with him taking the biggest risks here, Mon Mothma got what she wanted, her foundation, all her you know blemishes with her money. It's all smoothed over.
01:07:48
Speaker
ah Davos Golden, his you know his shitty son, is married off to Leta now. As they portray him, he's like irresponsible, childlike. But what did Tay make out with?
01:08:00
Speaker
you know what What does he have? But I also think based on the conversations that the the i think was the last conversation that Tay and Mon Mothma have, I think the Empire is on his ass at this point. And I think that he's trying really hard to tell Mon Mothma this, but she's putting it off to, oh, we'll talk next week.
01:08:20
Speaker
But if you remember, he specifically says that he needs, that that he could really use Davos' help right now. What does he need his help with? If it's not like, you know, he also needs something covered up or or something like that or, you know, they're already on his ass. And I think that is why he's you know, i don't think...
01:08:43
Speaker
Tay specifically mentions he needs something in return. Like that's what Luthan and Mon Mothma kept talking about. Unless I'm incorrect, I don't remember him saying the exact words like I need this or I have my number in mind. They kept mentioning this number. Yeah. And I'm like, what's the number? And Luthan even says, you know, think you know what his number is. And I'm like, what is the number? Is he saying Mon Mothma needs to sleep with Tay because he's lonely and that's his number?
01:09:13
Speaker
What what is the the number? What is the thing? That's what I was confused So the way that I took it was from the first kind of awkward altercation. And I think this was in day two of the wedding. I think this was like the, I guess what I would refer to as like the rehearsal dinner essentially. Yeah. um I was worried it was turning into like a, I need sexual favors yeah or like I need your physical attention.
01:09:39
Speaker
And the way that mom like looks so uncomfortable, but like, it's also like, yes, like, I understand exactly what you mean. And we will figure that out. Cause parent also kind of gets her that you want to go be with your boyfriend. Fine. Go do your thing. And she's like, no, what are you talking about?
01:09:55
Speaker
yeah I wasn't sure if it was that. And I was like, don't give this woman more stress. First, she's got to put her daughter on the line. Then she's got to deal with all this banking stuff to fund the rebellion. and Now she's going to have to sleep with you or else he's going to black mail you right which that's where i was a little worried it was going i was like not tay taking the heel turn not liking this it i don't know it just i don't really know what he wanted and i don't know if we're ever going to get to find out Yeah, see, that's something that and and well we'll go back to Lita's wedding.
01:10:24
Speaker
um But that's something that i've I've thought about with the whole year gap thing. I think that's one of the downsides to this is like, for example, Mon Mothma mentions that meeting that will happen in a week.
01:10:37
Speaker
We won't see that meeting because the next time we see these characters, a year will have passed. That's true. Even if Tay does survive. Exactly. the meaning So that's something that I'm like, I wonder how they're going to handle that. Will it just be like a line of exposition? Will Mon Mothma be like, oh yeah, that time that I shot Tay Koma in the forehead.
01:10:57
Speaker
um i don't think You don't think Sinta is going to literally kill him in the car? I did think of that too. See, that's something else. Like, Sinta is there, so clearly Luthan Rail set up whoever's going to pick him up.
01:11:11
Speaker
So... Yeah, yeah. i But do you think kill him? Like, I don't... Well, okay. So going back to what you had said about them trying to figure out a number. Is that a number?
01:11:23
Speaker
Well, the way that I took Luthen's explanation was that they were going to have to now pay off Tay. Yeah. ta yeah And that would put them in so much debt that they wouldn't even be able to fund the rebellion that they've started because they've already put so much money into that. So the debt that they have with Tay, they could never recover from. Mm-hmm.
01:11:41
Speaker
I thought Luthan came from monetarily. I think that Mon came at it maybe in a, like I said, more of like a physical payment. yeah And then maybe Tay was talking in a way like you said.
01:11:55
Speaker
um So I think maybe all of our characters are kind of, coming they're not communicating. yeah They're not communicating. So they don't really know what each other wants and they don't have the time to. yeah So that's why everything's so tense and stressful. Yeah, 100%. And I think Mon Mothma does like, or she at least understands that that's what Luthen means, a number, because she mentions like, you know, Tay comes here, he sees this big ass wedding, he sees all this money that's being spent. And that's something that I kept thinking about. I'm like, oh my gosh, like the jumping back and forth from like these rebels that are that need to collect rainwater. Yeah.
01:12:32
Speaker
to ah To have drinking water and then cutting to this giant fucking wedding where there's a robot DJ sphere thing in the air playing a new version of the Nyamos track.
01:12:43
Speaker
I'm sure you loved that. Yeah. Trust me. I have words for it. The biggest thing I'm worried about with Tay's potential end is that how is Mon going to take it?
01:12:57
Speaker
Because she knows Luthan is hinting at they need to kill him. Like he's a loose thread. We can't have him out. That's what Luthan was going to do to Cassian. Right. and mon knows how quick luthan is to act without necessarily thinking of long term so i'm scared to see what that fallout looks like because i yeah i think he's gonna die yeah i think he's getting killed by cinta like yeah ah just immediately on the way there yeah because i mean like and where else could she be taking him
01:13:27
Speaker
You know what I mean? I don't know. Prison. Yeah. Like some kind of holdout somewhere. Yeah. I'm just like, I think that's what Mon's biggest issue is, is she is too scared to act. And that's why she's like, we're going to do the meeting. We're going to do the meeting because she has that emotional connection too, which is why I think it makes everything so complicated.
01:13:44
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's so fucking complicated and and weird. And we're not even mentioning where Lita and the actual wedding comes into play with this because she pissed me off.
01:13:56
Speaker
Well, because like we we see that moment where Mon Mothma has to comfort Lita because they got in their first argument. Lita says, you know, he's a child. He won't even hold my hand. He's ignoring me, things like that. And in that moment, I'm thinking, ooh, this is going to get interesting because does that mean Lita is going to want to call the wedding off? But Mon Mothma can't because she knows that, you know, if they don't go through with the wedding, then Davos part of the, you know, deal isn't upheld.
01:14:26
Speaker
And is she going to have to force Lita to marry this guy that she didn't even want her to marry to begin with? um So then I was kind of taken aback when later on Mon Mothma is the one that tells Lita, you can call this off.
01:14:42
Speaker
It's all bullshit anyways. And they'll actually look at you as being brave ah for going out there and saying, I'm not ready. I'm not mature enough. I don't know. Where where did you, where where was your mind at and in these moments?
01:14:57
Speaker
So I will say the Mon trying to comfort Lita about the handholding was a little bit uncomfortable, but I think that's because of their strained relationship. They don't really have that emotional bond right because of how you know apart they are, as we saw in the first season.
01:15:13
Speaker
So then when Mon finally does have that moment with Lita before the wedding— That's when I really thought like it was going to crack. They were finally going to come together. And I love that Mon took that time, which yes, she's biased. Obviously we know she doesn't want her daughter to get married at 15 years old. Right. And she knows like she already saw, here's a glimpse of their first argument. He won't even hold lead his hand. hmm.
01:15:36
Speaker
Like this is going to be the rest of your life and unfulfilling marriage possibly. So don't really want to set you up for that. And we know she feels bad, but I think in that moment, she truly acts as Lita's mother. She's not Mon Mothma, the Senator. She's not a politician. She's not like, she's just Lita is her daughter. She is her mother. And she's like, i'm going to tell you the one thing that I wish my mom would have told me.
01:16:01
Speaker
was just like, you don't have to go through this if you don't want to. right And I thought there was going to be a moment. And then fucking Lita says, I wish you were drunk. Yeah. And I was like, you are the absolute worst. yeah i can't stand her. i And I wasn't, i wasn't having any issues with her the whole time. i was like, wow, it seems like all the family's getting close. Everybody's doing good. And then of course, Lita has to resort back to this cold, nasty relationship with her mom.
01:16:32
Speaker
And I feel like Mon was trying the whole time. Yeah. I mean, and who paid for the wedding? Not Lita, not her husband. They ain't got no money. They don't have no jobs. Yeah, the thing is with Lita, I always try to give her the benefit of the doubt or, you know, i now sympathize with her.
01:16:48
Speaker
She doesn't know, like she doesn't know why her mom is absent a lot or, you know, she doesn't understand why and her mom don't get to have this this relationship that I think she does have with her father. Like when you see Perrin giving that speech, you see she's very smiles and giggly and like, oh, I love my dad. And we see that in season one as well, where like she almost pits Perrin and Maughan against each other or like, who's the better parent? Oh, dad's going to take me to school today. i mean, you don't have to.
01:17:18
Speaker
That's typical. Yeah. It's typical with parents who are divorced, which essentially Maughan Perrin ain't really a loving couple. So yeah. Yeah. Or not even like parents that divorced, but like parents that, you know, you' you ever see those parents that my parents did this,
01:17:35
Speaker
trying to stay together because they're like, Oh, the kids. Yeah. The kids when they turn 18, well, you know, God. So yeah, I could see some of that coming into play. And also, you know, she's just, she's young. Like there's that scene where she's messing around or, or you know, she's showing her friends her dress and they're all giggling and laughing. And I'm like,
01:17:56
Speaker
These girls should be having slumber parties. Okay. They should not be adam at a wedding. And she's not even 15. She's 13. Or I guess 14 now at this point. But in Andor season one, I remember Davos says he's like, well, your daughter's 13. She'll see her age.
01:18:15
Speaker
Exactly. So, ah yeah. But at the same time, no, I totally get it. Like, I totally get, you know, it's it's hard, especially knowing all the context of everything, seeing Lita, you know, act this way. But I guess I'm also, I'm just confused because, you know, I definitely understand where you're coming from, where you're like, I feel like she was being Lita's mom in that moment.
01:18:39
Speaker
I could see that for the first one, but Something for some reason, I feel like it's all connected where, you know, Tay tells her, oh, you know, everybody got this deal or everybody got their end of the deal. Where's mine?
01:18:54
Speaker
And I was like, almost is she, you know, just saying, fuck it. And Davo is not going to get his end of things. So actually don't go and marry him. but that's the But that's kind of like what you talked about before where you were like, oh, is she actually going to allow Lita to risk this operation? Because it's essentially ah business transaction from like, is she actually willing to risk that?
01:19:14
Speaker
And I feel like she was in that moment, which is why she was so intensely giving Lita the choice. That makes sense. Because then that's kind of like they even they even put emphasis like when she cuts the braid, like that's official. It's it's happening and in and everything.
01:19:31
Speaker
I actually do like the framing of that, that that's like Mon Mothma was like, okay, I will be a mom and I will be this and I'm i'm just going to, you know, screw the rebellion or whatever whatever I have going on. I'll be present for my daughter. And then when Lita shuts her down, like that's that's it. That's the moment. And that's Mon Mothma is not a family woman going forward.
01:19:54
Speaker
And, you know, we don't really get to know where Mon Mothma's head is after that besides seeing her get really drunk and dance like a fucking maniac. I mean, I have been there, though. When you drink a little too much, the drinks start hitting.
01:20:10
Speaker
And then you're just like, oh, my God, I'm just in the world right now. That was my early twenty s um Yeah, that was just insane seeing Mon Mothma because Andor's always made a point to show Mon will walk around with a drink.
01:20:27
Speaker
She never drinks it except for like the one drink we see her have with the little um so grown a tema toast yeah and the and or season one like that's the only time we ever see her drink something but like every time we've else seen her like at a function she holds a drink talks to people hands it off to somebody else and we saw her do that earlier in the episode so i'm like not only does she not ever really drink but she is throwing back shots yeah and they make it a point shot after shot And they make it a point in this episode to talk about how like you have to pace yourself through a Shandrillon wedding because like it's essentially just a weekend of drinking, drinking, drinking, which honestly is kind of like any wedding. Yeah. um
01:21:09
Speaker
So but I was like not her being in this horrible headspace. And it was just essentially everything boiled over. and then Davos Golden's wife, you know, she has three glasses of wine. She's shit faced and then she falls asleep. That's the vibe I was getting from her.
01:21:23
Speaker
And she's like, man, come on. And money she thinks about it for a sec. And then she's like, at this point, I'm stressed as fuck with Luthen. I'm stressed as fuck with Tay. I don't, I'm not happy about this wedding happening. I'm actually completely against it.
01:21:38
Speaker
And Oh, my relationship also sucks. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I'm just so interested. I'm so interested to see where that all goes. But it's definitely the one arc that I'm i'm just worried about with the whole year gap. The other arcs, like, i feel like it'll it'll be fine, you know, like,
01:21:57
Speaker
We'll we'll see a year from now where Bix and Wilman are and and that'll be fine. That'll be resolved of like, oh, this is where they went. um You know, we'll see um the the Gorman project get further, maybe, you know, in that year.
Future Speculations and Character Outcomes
01:22:13
Speaker
They realize, OK, we're not going to be able to get any synthetic calcite. So we have to go to Gorman and actually um follow through with this operation. But this arc is going to be really hard, I feel like, to continue a year later, especially when they're already making reference to things that happen in a week.
01:22:37
Speaker
yeah idea where maybe they would pick it up in a year that would make it all feel like a complete story still or what are your thoughts
01:22:47
Speaker
I almost feel like they have to have some family drama. Like we're back on Coruscant and there's some drama between Mon and Perrin and Lita. Or i feel like it has to kind of relate to that. And then we see a break off.
01:22:59
Speaker
Maybe that could be, you know, when Mon finally leaves her family because we know something has to happen to them. Or maybe they can leave her and they say, we're going back to Shandrilla. Fuck you.
01:23:10
Speaker
You don't give a shit about us. Stay on Coruscant and do your Senator shit. That would be extra heartbreaking. But now that I say it out loud, I am kind of worried that they, that might be the case yeah because I could totally see Lita and whatever her husband's name is.
01:23:25
Speaker
They don't have jobs. They don't have money. So they can go live at the Mothma estate on Chandrila. And I could see Perrin being like, well, somebody has to be there because even though they're married, they're still children.
01:23:36
Speaker
So they need an adult. Yeah. Oh, I really hope that doesn't happen, though, because I'll like feel really my heart will break for Mon Mothme, even though she's not going to be happier with them there. But it's more of just like that ties are completely cut.
01:23:52
Speaker
That's how I could see it kind of happening. And then that's what kind of radicalizes Mon. Yeah. Because even even Tate makes some remarks about how Mon like needs to speak out and say something and do something.
01:24:04
Speaker
She's so calculated, but she hasn't really played her moves yet. She's all behind the scenes. um So that's what I think. Do you have an idea? I don't know. I really like the idea that you brought up of Luthan ordering Tay to be killed. Like, I don't know why i didn't even... i knew when Sinta picked him up that there was something... wasn't going to be good. Yeah, but i didn't I didn't go as far to say that she would kill him.
01:24:32
Speaker
But it makes sense that even in in that year, even if it's not in that moment, that Luthan would order for him to be killed because, like you said, he's a loose end. And how would Mon Mothma react to that?
01:24:43
Speaker
And there has to be a wedge driven between them, I think, because we know that the progression of these characters, Mon Mothma is eventually the leader of the rebellion. Luthan Rail seems to be very much the leader. But yeah, like you said...
01:24:56
Speaker
He ain't in a new hope. He ain't Rogue One. And Luthan knows because of Mon's like emotions towards Tay and their history. She even says to Tay, Tay is her oldest friend.
01:25:08
Speaker
like she's not gonna She's not going to do what needs to be done, whereas Luthan will. And Luthan probably feels like he has to make that move because he knows Mon won't. Yeah. It's going to be rough.
01:25:20
Speaker
It's going to be sad. I don't want to see the funeral. I know. ah Everything. everything This show, like I said at the start, it makes you feel every emotion. It fucking punches you back and forth and then awards you for sticking around through all the mud. And I love it so much. I'm so excited to see where it goes.
01:25:39
Speaker
Before we finish, I have some special shout outs. Yes. okay Easter eggs, I should say.
Star Wars Universe Connections and Enthusiasms
01:25:45
Speaker
Erskine, Mon's assistant from Rebels, is in live action.
01:25:50
Speaker
So add him to your animated character to live action pipeline. I didn't even yeah consider it. That's because I only know from when I was rewatching those Rebels episodes and I was like, Erskine, what the fuck kind of name is that?
01:26:05
Speaker
So Erskine's now made the jump from animation to live action. um We get another shout out of the Rakatan Invaders, the second one in the Andor series, which I thought was really interesting. The Kuwaiti signet, the Kyber necklace that he gives.
01:26:22
Speaker
ah almost said Diego Luna. Yeah. cassian in season one that was a rakatan invader thing now we've got this shandy merle from some shandrel in ancient temple that was stolen or something from the rakatan invaders like i really love these rakata uh civilization references in andor of all things and then you know ah this isn't even i guess you could consider this an easter egg the nyamos like wedding mix club mix obsessed i need to be ah like star wars celebration or some kind of nerdy convention at a rave where they play that mix because i'm gonna be mon mothma on the dance floor twirling and feeling everything yeah yeah 100 i love that they brought that back
01:27:10
Speaker
Yeah, I am too. And at the start of it, it's a little different too. I mean, the whole thing's different, but at the start, it's like completely different music that I was almost like, this is similar, but is it and ah is it a remix? And then you get into it and you're like, oh yeah, so it's a remix. This is a popular song.
01:27:28
Speaker
this point, it's been over a year that it's been on the charts, played at weddings and shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's how you know it's old when it's become a classic and it's played at the weddings and all the kids scream like when the droid comes out and starts playing it.
01:27:40
Speaker
It was so funny. I'm like, and we've talked about this before. I love this kind of growth of the in-universe Star Wars music. And I love that Niamh now has like four versions. like This is the fourth version.
01:27:52
Speaker
um so it's so it's just so fun Yeah, it's ah it's a popular thing for sure. um One of the Easter eggs I noticed is at the beginning when the Imperial Inspector tells Cassian the password. The password is Kafreen, which we know the Ring of Kafreen from Rogue One.
01:28:12
Speaker
so I'm an idiot. I thought the Ring of Kafreen. Oh, the planet Mando goes to in Book of Boba Fett. Yeah. No, not the same non same planet. Not close. That one's actually a ring.
01:28:25
Speaker
the ring The ring of Kafreen though is not. It's those two asteroids that are like built in a metropolis thing. I know what you mean now. But was it it, it was announced in something at celebration. Was it Mando that the ring of Kafreen is going to, no, it's the new game, the turntable game. Zero company. Zero company. Their ring of Kafreen is in that. It's a big year for the ring of Kafreen.
01:28:49
Speaker
I know. I'm also, I'm like, I know that Khafrein was in Rogue One, but is that is that all there is to the connection there? Or is it something in-universe possibly where, you know, it's all connected? I don't really know.
01:29:02
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe we'll see the Khafrein massacre. Hopefully not. I guess the Khafrein massacre is when Cassian kills that guy at the beginning of Rogue One. yeah Because he's like, you you got a bad arm, you can't climb.
01:29:13
Speaker
Sorry, you're a liability. But I guess we'll see him get to that point by the end of Andor Season 2. I know. Yeah, i'm I'm so excited to see where it all goes. And and you know what, Scotty? I'm proud of us.
01:29:25
Speaker
I'm proud of us because we we knocked out these first three episodes, the first three hour Andor movie perfectly. It may have taken us an hour and a half to talk about it, but I think we did good. I know we've been a a little stressed about how we're going to cover Andor, but i think I think we did good here.
01:29:43
Speaker
Yeah. um Maybe next time we can shoot for an hour. Depends on what we get. Yeah. I have a feeling that these arcs are not going to slow down, though, or get any less intense. so And there's no complaints there because, honestly, we love the content.
01:30:00
Speaker
Just as fans. Yeah, 100%. Like, i just... It's very rare where Star Wars makes me act like I'm watching like like a sports game, like football or something. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:30:13
Speaker
But in the end there, when Cassian comes in, I'm like, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Like, i'm I'm going crazy. Like, I'm in it. I'm fully in it. And like I said at the beginning, good Star Wars is back on the menu. I can't wait for these next three weeks.
01:30:25
Speaker
Yeah, I was definitely jamming the fuck out in the shower before this because the campy wedding, all of it. just I was like, I need Nicholas Bertel to put the Nyamos mix from season two on streaming now. Yeah.
01:30:40
Speaker
Well, did you know that Nicholas Bertel actually isn't the composer for this season? It's kind of like a Mando and Book of Boba Fett situation where it's one of his assistants.
01:30:51
Speaker
Okay. Well, his assistant went off in this episode and I can't wait for it to be on Spotify. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I loved it. um I loved this, this first arc. And like I said at the beginning, I'm very pleased and can't wait to see where it goes. But if there's nothing else left, Scotty, why don't you send us out of here?
01:31:14
Speaker
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