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🚨 ANDOR SEASON 2 IS COMING — and creator Tony Gilroy just dropped some MAJOR BOMBSHELLS in new interviews! We're six weeks away from the premiere, and Disney has kicked the marketing into light speed. In this episode, we break down Gilroy’s latest reveals about the challenges of weaving Star Wars canon into season two, the Ghorman Massacre, and the highly anticipated return of K-2SO! 🤖🔥
👉 Will Tony Gilroy top the perfection of season one? Can Cassian's journey stay true to the heart of Star Wars while delivering intense, emotional storytelling? We’ve got all the details and expert analysis you need!
✨ Topics Covered:
✅ The Gorman Massacre – What it means for Star Wars canon
✅ K-2SO’s return – Why it was delayed and how it fits into season two
✅ Star Wars lore and real-world parallels – How Andor reflects real-life political struggles
✅ Why Tony Gilroy GETS Star Wars storytelling better than anyone
Don’t miss our deep dive into the future of Andor and why season two might just be the best Star Wars content yet!
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Transcript
Introduction to Andor Season 2 Marketing
00:00:00
Speaker
Being six weeks away from Andor Season 2, Disney has been marketing into Lightspeed, which means we've been getting even more insight from the cast, crew, and especially the creator, Tony
Challenges in Creating Andor Season 2
00:00:10
Speaker
Gilroy.
00:00:10
Speaker
This week, Tony Gilroy dropped some bombshells about the challenges that came with making Andor's second season, how it'll differentiate from Season 1, as well as working around and working with pre-established Star Wars canon.
00:00:22
Speaker
With these differences and challenges kept in mind, can Tony Gilroy make season two as perfect as season one was, if not even better? We think so. Let's talk about it.
Welcome Back to 'This is the Wayseekers'
00:00:38
Speaker
Welcome back to This is the Wayseekers, a podcast for Star Wars fans by Star Wars fans. My name's Austin SWE and I'm joined with my co-host once again, Scotty Holliday, to be discussing Andor Season 2 because we have even more updates on the show.
00:00:54
Speaker
Yeah, and it really feels like Andor is starting to rev up right now. We've got that awesome special look trailer, which I was really excited about. We've gotten interviews with Tony Gilroy, which we're going to get into. There's so much like it's really revving up with the marketing right now. It's feeling real. Yes.
Aligning with Star Wars Canon
00:01:11
Speaker
I think one of the most intriguing differences with season two compared to season one is that season two has to go into actual star Wars canon. Like there's certain things that have to happen this season.
00:01:23
Speaker
And that was one thing I feel like Tony Gowry was very, not against in season one, but he was very like, we're not doing cameos. We're not doing that. Like, this is just my story.
00:01:34
Speaker
But now he kind of has to play in that Star Wars sandbox. So while I think season two is going to be really, really good, I'm very interested to see how he pulls it off. Yeah, I 100% agree with you. It is going to be interesting because like you said, there the season one didn't have like these big moments, these big cameos, and the characters that were returning were just naturally integrated into the story.
00:01:56
Speaker
And even though season two is going to have way more, i still really think that they're going to easily be able to do that because Tony Gilroy actually talked about that in this interview. He said, i get those five years. So in those five years, there's a couple really big.
00:02:11
Speaker
You map it out on a calendar, on a piece of paper. OK, here's where I'm going to go. Here are my four blocks. Here's where these things happen. Mon Mothma leaving the Senate is canonical. There are a couple of other events in here.
00:02:23
Speaker
The development of Yavin is canonical. Obviously, the discovery of the Death Star and whatever intelligence there is, espionage that leads to the beginning of Rogue One is canonical.
00:02:34
Speaker
I had to get all those things in. And I'm intrigued to see how all of that can be implemented.
The Gorman Massacre in Andor Season 2
00:02:40
Speaker
And it's interesting, too, because we know that season two, one of the biggest parts of it is going to be the Gorman Massacre.
00:02:48
Speaker
The Gorman Massacre is a canonical event. It's in canon, but... There's no details about it. It's literally only been mentioned. So it's like there's this canonical element that he's able to include, but make it his own. And that's what's really intriguing to me.
00:03:03
Speaker
And he even mentioned that he said Gorman, interestingly, is canonical, but completely undescribed. It's a total blank slate. There's also a bit of confusion about the Gorman massacre. And what is the Gorman massacre?
00:03:14
Speaker
There's a lot of confusion within the canon. So it was an opportunity to rebuild ah in a really significant way. It's a very significant part of our show that can do a lot of different things for us. So I'm very interested to see how the Gorman Massacre is implemented. And he also says that it's going to be carried out over five different episodes and that yeah the Gorman Massacre is like really the main focal point of season two. What do you think about that?
00:03:40
Speaker
It stresses me out a little bit. Only because like we know that we're going to be skipping between years. So I'm like, if this is going to be over five episodes, it's going to take place in one year, and then it's going to be happening again later, which I feel like the easiest way is you kind of show where the citizens have gone to moment where they're kind of had enough, and they start having almost like with season one, where we start seeing these little pockets of rebellion, and then maybe skip to the next year, and it's been a year of...
00:04:08
Speaker
You know, the Gorman people protesting and now we're gotten to the point where enough is enough. And that's when the massacre happens. I assume that's how it'll happen. But i am very interested because i I just, we've talked about this before. We want all the and or as much as possible. So I just want to see as much as as much as they can squeeze into these 12 episodes.
00:04:29
Speaker
I think it's really funny when Tony Gowry mentions that like, oh, yeah, the Gorman Massacre is a thing, but it's basically like a sandbox. It reminds me of what the Clone Wars were in the original trilogy.
00:04:42
Speaker
And obviously George Lucas had an idea. We don't know. well and you might know, I don't know how much of his original clone Wars ideas actually became what the clone Wars were, but it was still a situation where like all the ah expanded universe and stuff, they made these clone Wars stories.
00:05:00
Speaker
Yeah. Like you said, it's a very important piece of star Wars history. I think, I mean, think of how many cantina aliens there were in a new hope, uh, that we've now seen like their entire fucking world.
00:05:11
Speaker
Like think of the, the Twi'leks in return of the Jedi, they were just some dancers. And now we have Ryloth with like huge political movements in there. We see Ryloth throughout the history of star Wars so much. It's like a main focal point. And it all came from one dancer in return of the Jedi.
00:05:28
Speaker
It's such a star Wars thing. And it's so interesting because as we kind of touched on before, Tony Gilroy kind of has this reputation of like, I hate Star Wars. I'm not here for Star Wars. I'm here for a good story.
00:05:39
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And a lot of that is usually not against him. Like people actually say that that's something they like about him, that he's here to tell a story rather than. you know, work and work within the Star Wars sandbox.
00:05:51
Speaker
But it's things like this that he says that makes me feel like he gets it. He gets it on a deeper level than you'd actually think he does. He just understands what's actually important. And he doesn't he's not here to be like, oh, there's this character everyone wants to see. So we're going to bring that character in. You know, it's it's much more thought out with Tony Gilroy. and Yeah. um However, if you don't get Bail Organa, I will be mad.
00:06:16
Speaker
But that's the thing is I feel like Bail Organa could so easily be intertwined into like the politics of Andor that, you know, that something like that makes sense, you know? No, I completely agree.
00:06:27
Speaker
You can almost say it's the same thing for Cassian, the character and the Andor series. Maybe that's a little meta. Yeah. But like we we got to meet him at the end of his story, essentially.
00:06:40
Speaker
And now we're literally going back and filling in the pieces of the, the really, what is the phrase he uses in rogue one? He's like, I've did some terrible things for the rebellion or whatever.
00:06:51
Speaker
We're, we're getting to see those now. Yeah, and i'm I'm excited for it. And speaking of characters that are coming in that actually make sense, K2 fucking S.O.
00:07:02
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I was thinking about it today because I turned around and I saw my K2SO Funko Pop. And then I started thinking about 2016 and how excited I was for Rogue One and how much I loved Rogue One. I kid you not, when I got the Blu-ray,
00:07:14
Speaker
I watched it every single day. K2SO at that point was my favorite droid. K2SO today is still my favorite droid. And the fact that we're going to get such a like humorous, sassy character in this very serious world of Andor, I'm so interested to see how they handle it. And let's not act like the humor is going to be taken away because I know you saw that shot. You mentioned it in your season two video.
00:07:40
Speaker
about K2SO slapping someone across the frame. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. where Tony Gilroy understands K2SO. I mean, that's his baby. Tony Gilroy worked on Rogue One.
00:07:52
Speaker
So i'm I'm so excited to see K2SO. And he even mentioned in the in the article, he said, Yeah, man, the bar is high. I knew it just by delaying it off the first season.
00:08:03
Speaker
The controversy of that. Nobody was happy about that. I don't think Disney was happy about that. I don't think the fans were happy about that. But there was a there was a reason for it, a really, really good reason for it.
00:08:14
Speaker
But it does mean that I definitely have to deliver on the meet cute. So we'll see how it goes. We're happy with what we have. okay what the fuck is a meet cute i was wondering the same fucking thing but you know let's not focus on that let's focus on the greatness of of what he's saying here because you know when andor was announced it was announced as in 2018 as a spy thriller with yeah cassian and k2so like k2so was the main focal point I'm pretty sure they even showed like a very early um scene of the original Andor at Celebration in 2019. It was just like a visual effects shot with K2. And he was like being funny. I almost think that it wasn't meant to be like a serious thing. But either way, we know he was supposed to be in season one and they delayed it.
00:09:00
Speaker
And I already knew that it was for good reason. But it is nice to hear that Tony Gilroy was saying it's for good reasons. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I'm excited to see him deliver because clearly he's made it a point that he knows he has to deliver. And because of the delay, he set this bar really high.
00:09:17
Speaker
I think I speak for both of us, if not the entire fandom, when we all were like, oh, K2 is not going to be an Andor season one. Like, how can you not have Cassian and K2 together? Right. And then, you know, there's the issues with retconning the comic that showed their original meaning.
00:09:32
Speaker
And if it's going to play into that, which I didn't read the comic, but I'm sure it was the worst choice I've ever made. I hope they retcon it, but all right, look at that. Imagine that.
00:09:43
Speaker
um So you're going to get your wish. Probably. going to a little, a little I don't want to say anti K2SO, but I'm a little nervous. our our good boy B2 emo is going to get sidelined. And I know you think that he's going to become whatever programming in K2SO, but,
00:10:04
Speaker
But I'm like, I hope we get a little more B2. Like he was, he has such a heart and like he's a little anxiety dog droid. And like, I'm going to be sad if we don't get more of that. Just a little bit, even if it's just for one arc, which I'm sure we will because we saw him in the trailer.
00:10:21
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. And B2 E2, B2 Emo. I loved him in season one as well. If I'm being honest, I don't see him, um either like making it past or surviving whatever arc that is with the grasslands. Yeah.
00:10:36
Speaker
And honestly, I think if he does survive, it's going to be a case where Cassian's like, you need to stay here and protect Bix or, you know, Cassian kind of trusting B2Emo to like watch over Brasso and Bix and whoever survives hoping.
00:10:50
Speaker
they survive yeah yeah i think that that would be a good it'd be a good way trusting him with something very important because you're right what is this clunky old droid gonna do like with the rebellion they're not gonna put the death star plans or whatever information they get in a little power stick into b2 emo and he's gonna slowly like try to run out but he's gonna be losing his charge so like he'll start slowing down as they're trying to get away like And that would just be tragic.
00:11:22
Speaker
Right. You know, in ah in a fantasy world, if everything was the way I wanted it to be, b two m emma would be too B2 Emo. How do you say his name? I can't even. Did I just have a joke?
00:11:35
Speaker
i think I'm pretty sure we've all said it on B2 Emo. B2 Emo. Okay. I don't know why I was about to say Emo. Okay. if You just call him B. Okay. B in a perfect world. He would make it to Yavin and he would be Cassian's astromech droid in a scene where Cassian's flying an X-wing. I know that would be so cute. I would die.
00:11:56
Speaker
They'd have to retrofit the X-wing to like actually fit him because he's a square, but you know, it could work. Yeah. It's star Wars. And I'm sure there's other box to droids. Oh my god, no, that would be his, like, when you take your dog out, when you know you have to put it down and you take it on, like, a final, like, trip before that would be B's next week.
00:12:18
Speaker
That is horrible. Tragic, my bad, sorry.
Andor's Reflection of Political Themes
00:12:23
Speaker
ah So we know that season two is going to include a lot of Star Wars canon tie-ins, but something that Andor is kind of known for is its tie-ins to the real world.
00:12:36
Speaker
And something that I thought was interesting from the articles with Tony Gilroy is it's not necessarily something that is intentional. It's not like...
00:12:47
Speaker
There's someone. Well, let me just read what he says. No one was working on the show with a newspaper at any point in time. We write so far in advance. I've said this before. I've been a student of history as an amateur, a dinner a dinner table historian all this time.
00:13:02
Speaker
And it's nothing but revolutions and uprisings and people being swept into events that they weren't ready for and people assuming heroic roles that they never anticipated. Sounds like Cassian Andor.
00:13:13
Speaker
One of the really cool things about doing this show is the opportunity to use all the three and three o'clock in the morning reading I've wasted over my life to do that. So it's not trying to rhyme with anything.
00:13:24
Speaker
The sorry truth is, and here's a cliche, history repeats itself. So I want to make the show timeless, I suppose. So it's not that, you know, they're reading stories about our current president and being like, oh, look at ah the way that the American Revolution in the American Empire is falling. Let's talk about that in Andor season two.
00:13:48
Speaker
They wrote the script so long ago that that's not a thing. What's happening is history repeats itself. Fascism repeats itself. The things that are happening today in many countries, including our own, are things that have happened before. And we read about in our history books and all Tony Gilroy is doing is basing it off of the things that he read as a dinner table historian.
00:14:11
Speaker
And I think that's so interesting, but also kind of sad and gross and evil about just the way things operate in our world. But I think he put this super eloquently because it, I think that's the best way to put it.
00:14:27
Speaker
Unfortunately it is timeless because we've read it in the history books. We see it on the news now. And i mean, There are plenty of times where i on a much smaller scale, but have found myself stepping into roles and or speaking out about something. And these are things I never thought I would have to do.
00:14:45
Speaker
And like, we know Cassian's stepping into a rebellion that he never thought he was going to be a part of. We saw him just trying to get into it, get the money and be done with it in season one. And that wouldn't happen.
00:14:57
Speaker
Like people have to rise up to make these changes and, if people don't continue to rise up, then, you know, what's the alternative. Right. You know what i mean?
00:15:08
Speaker
And then, i don't know. It's just, it's just so crazy to think about and how, and or both season one and most likely season two are going to parallel. So,
00:15:19
Speaker
I don't want to say, well, they're going to have a very strong parallel and, you know, be so related to what we see going on. And I always like to think that I hope that people will recognize these like general public.
00:15:35
Speaker
We'll recognize these things that are going on who aren't maybe as politically active or aware and maybe help them to rise up, you know, per se even if it's on a smaller level, just making them question things that maybe they didn't question before.
00:15:50
Speaker
exactly and I love that. I love media that can do this. And I'm very thankful that we have. the writing team, Tony Gilroy, you know, that worked on these scripts because it's, it's just so much more accessible.
00:16:02
Speaker
And sometimes people, when you're watching news and stuff consistently, it's easy to tune that out. But when you're seeing it through like a form of media, you don't even realize how much more you could be paying attention to it.
00:16:13
Speaker
And then you connect the dots. Yeah. It's great. End of story. Star Wars is political. Get over it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like you said, it's so people a lot of the time see the things in Star Wars because they're so immersed within that story that they start to see the things in the real world. Like if you're rooting for the rebels or these people within the Star Wars galaxy that are basically just fighting for their right to exist.
00:16:39
Speaker
obviously you should be able to do the same thing in the real world root for the people that are fighting for their right to exist it you know it it's something that seems obvious but it's also something that a lot of people need and you know i'm really glad that star wars and george lucas has always set out to be something like that Especially because Star Wars at its core was always made for a younger audience like 12 year olds, 12 year olds that are navigating the real world for the first time and teaching them yeah lessons.
00:17:10
Speaker
These are things that they can take away from. And yeah, I really like it. And it's still just so crazy to me how much and or parallels the things we're seeing today that it's not an intentional choice.
00:17:22
Speaker
um Even Tony Gowery was talking about like Cyril Karn in this interview. And he was talking about Cyril as a character is someone who would have really accepted anyone or it would have would have, you know, and embraced any type of family that would have taken him in. And unfortunately, the family that took him in was the evil fascist empire.
00:17:45
Speaker
But the easy route. Exactly. But the dark side, the easier route. Right. Exactly. But it's something that happens in our real world. It's something that happens within the Star Wars franchise where, you know, they tell people there's all these issues with Star Wars and there is. There's plenty of issues with Star Wars, but then they turn around and sell them that the solution is racism.
00:18:07
Speaker
That if we stopped casting black people in these roles and had any ties to any type of LGBTQ themes or any type of real world politics, that all of a sudden Star Wars would be great again.
00:18:20
Speaker
and That's basically Cyril Karn, if you think about it, like he's being sold a solution to his problem that is not going to solve his problem. And if we're being honest, if he went into the rebellion, all of his issues would have been solved. He would have been even more openly embraced.
00:18:36
Speaker
Those are the things that really make it feel real and and really make it feel like it's paralleling our real world. Well, know, it's the funniest part about that is going back to what you said about George Lucas making these stories for a younger generation and thinking of Cyril and how immediately, like when we got to start to know his character, everyone was like, oh, he's an incel.
00:18:57
Speaker
And we see... Specifically with like young boys, anger, mad at the world, whatever. They start following people like, you know, number one, Andrew Tate.
00:19:09
Speaker
yeah And they start becoming super misogynistic, racist, all this stuff because they don't have anywhere to put... their issues, they don't have a way to deal with them. And they're just watching these things that make them think, oh, it's everybody else's fault that the world isn't working for me.
00:19:24
Speaker
I don't need to do anything to change. It's everybody else who has to change. And thinking that, oh, here's Star Wars that George Lucas created to be like, hey, actually, you know, we root for the rebels and fascism is bad.
00:19:37
Speaker
And, you know, this galaxy is for everyone. hmm. It's just so crazy, these parallels, but they've been going on as we've kind of touched on now since the beginning.
00:19:48
Speaker
And I love to see it continue. Yeah, absolutely. And just add that to the list of reasons why Tony Yoroi understands Star Wars a lot more than people give him credit for. True. And unfortunately, I think this is going to be his last Star Wars. Yeah, yeah where he talked about that in his ah and in the in the interview as well.
00:20:10
Speaker
But I mean, you know, like he said, he's been working on this for 10 years now. He was basically the second unit director of Rogue One, the uncredited second unit director, may I add. Yeah. um And, you know, now he's been working six years on this Star Wars show.
00:20:26
Speaker
It's interesting because, as we know, season two was not just supposed to be one season. It was supposed to be four seasons with five seasons of Andor in total.
00:20:36
Speaker
And he kind of gave some insight into this. And I'm really interested to talk about those things. Yeah. And I feel like it's really hard as a creative to kind of do less than what you set out to do.
00:20:49
Speaker
Because I mean, even with us, when we're planning podcast stuff, we come up with this big grand plan and then it doesn't not always work out. And I feel like usually it's me being like Austin, Austin, We need to reel it in a little bit because it ain't just going to happen.
00:21:02
Speaker
And Tony Gowry kind of talked about this as well. He said, when we were filming, we were about halfway, three quarters of the way through filming season one. While I was really trying to come up with what was going to be the second season, we realized that we couldn't do five years.
00:21:17
Speaker
So that became a very rapid exploration. You have basically a year to work on the show. It was more about being able to make the show and pay for the show and get the budget for the show. Because between the time that season one started and season two happened, and the metrics and mandates of streaming had completely reversed, which that is something that's so true because and or ah correct me if I'm wrong, didn't and or get announced around the same time, if not shortly after the Mandalorian announced.
00:21:46
Speaker
yep 2018 the same exact year and andor season one came out 2023 2022 end of 2022 yeah so there was already a big gap from the time they started this show and when we actually saw this show we knew that andor was going to be this big elaborate expensive show and I'm just happy that they were able to continue with it into a second season. and i think it's very interesting, as I said, as a creator, having to realize, oh, we we need to scale it back because this just isn't going to be able to happen.
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, think about it this way. When Andor was announced, there was no Disney Plus yet. In fact, it was just called the Disney streaming service when it was announced that it was going to be on the Disney streaming service alongside the Mandalorian.
00:22:39
Speaker
So since that happened, we know that they fired the original writers, gave the scripts to Tony Gilroy, who then was like, oh, I could actually do something amazing with this character and amazing with these stories.
00:22:50
Speaker
And we're going to do that. But when the things like the script were greenlit, the budget was greenlit because Andor is the most expensive Star Wars show. And I think it shows.
00:23:02
Speaker
all that was made before they even knew how much money they'd make from Disney plus they had projections I'm sure. And things like that, but they had no idea. and they've even talked about too, that they were like dumping money into streaming, like at the beginning yeah and how they've realized, like you just said that they weren't making it back and they're still not making it back.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, if Andor season one was released like last year, like the Acolyte was, there would have never been a season two. I mean, the Acolyte had a lot of viewers. It had a shitload of viewers, but it still was not enough to greenlight a season two. And so it's just the huge difference between the era of streaming just from a ah year ago, you know,
00:23:45
Speaker
And or a season one came out, like like you said, in 2022. That's not even that long ago. That's barely even two years ago. And in that time, so much has changed with streaming where they're not making the money they need to um from streaming. So they need to stop pouring millions and millions of dollars into these shows that aren't going to have a return.
00:24:05
Speaker
And yeah, it's definitely something that's interesting. But it's also interesting. I think the last thing tony Gilroy was worried about, because he's also talked about, and even in this article, it's about the time, you know,
00:24:19
Speaker
he's already had to dedicate six years of his life to two seasons. Imagine if he did five, this would have been at least a 10 year thing. Cassian and, or mind you is playing a character that he originally played in 2016. I don't think any younger. I don't think people Cassian, you know, in, in 2030, when we're trying to go into the rogue one era is going to work out that well, not without Botox. Yeah.
00:24:47
Speaker
I think what's interesting is that season one played out as it would have either way. And now basically what we're getting is one season within three episodes.
00:24:58
Speaker
So it's really <unk> it's kind of interesting to think about, like all the things that had to have been cut from 12 episodes to three episodes. And for me, I'm like, oh, I could never.
00:25:09
Speaker
oh there we go. Reign of the Empire. That's why we have these books. That's where they're going to put all the deleted stuff. But, you know, as someone who's also technically a creative, you know, I create things.
00:25:22
Speaker
The idea of cutting things out sucks. But Tony Gilroy puts me to shame because he says the idea of killing darlings always seemed like such a rookie thing to me, like something you get used to doing early on.
00:25:33
Speaker
I'm always happy when I'm cutting and editing. And so that's sort of a natural thing. There are places where there are things that we might have done that were economically impossible for us to do. So in that sense, but no, it was mostly exciting to write it.
00:25:46
Speaker
It was mostly exciting to have the year long gaps. None of us had ever ever had the opportunity to do that before. deal with that much negative space. So he puts me to shame where he's like, well, actually, we used it to our advantage. And the fast paced punching that we're going to have with season two, we're using it to our advantage. And I'm like, that's, that's really fucking cool and good to hear. Because I think in anybody's mind, when you're hearing that four seasons is being condensed into one, you're like,
00:26:13
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whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I think I've even talked about that on this podcast because as we said, we love season one. We want it to be just as good as season one, if not better.
00:26:24
Speaker
So how are we going to do that if you're cutting down the story so much? I mean, Tony Gauroy's proven he's a professional. Yeah. And as he said, like worrying about cutting out little things is such a rookie thing.
00:26:38
Speaker
And it's so funny because I even find myself when I'll be editing, I won't cut something out and then I'll be editing. And I'll just be like, you know what? Screw this part. We're just going to take it out anyway, because we don't need it. It's just extra. And yeah,
00:26:51
Speaker
I love love that he put it like that. I think it takes a specific level of a creator to be able to do that, to focus on what are the most important things that we do need to focus on and to be able to cut out things that aren't as important while still telling a good story. you And we had season one.
00:27:11
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We've talked about this with plenty of other Star Wars shows. Season one, we really got to sit with our characters and they got to develop. And now season two, The galaxy will open up yeah and we get to have a little more action this time around.
00:27:25
Speaker
But see these focus on the pivotal moments that are really going to make or break our characters. And he even touches on that, too, talking about like, it's not necessarily going to be a fun season, um but he hopes that we cry.
00:27:39
Speaker
And, you know, Star Wars is always emotional. And it's another thing that, again, he understands Star Wars so much. I mean, think about it. The first Star Wars movie basically just drops you into the story.
00:27:51
Speaker
There's all these, you know, they allude to like the Clone Wars, like you mentioned earlier, or you know, the Jedi, but the Jedi are extinct now and there's only one Jedi left. And, you know,
00:28:03
Speaker
we're basically dropped into year 19 of the galactic empire. We missed so much. And yet I don't think anybody walked away from a new hope originally feeling like it was incomplete or anything like that. Yeah. So why was I ever worried that, Oh, all these time jumps are just going to, you know, make and or less exciting.
00:28:24
Speaker
It's more just like, honestly comes from a selfish standpoint where I'm like, well, I want to see more Cassian and, or I want to see more rogue one stuff, you know? Yeah, no, what I completely agree with that.
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. For myself too. Right. Yeah. So, you know, if Tony Gilroy can um throw away all his great ideas, I'm sure that we can reconcile with the fact that we're only getting two seasons of Andor.
00:28:49
Speaker
And quite frankly, I'd much prefer two fantastic, perfect seasons of Andor than... five okay seasons of Andor. And from the sounds of it, he was talking about season two and honing in what the story would be.
00:29:02
Speaker
it doesn't sound like it was like this necessarily mapped out thing he had, like five seasons. If anything, was just more general ideas like, here's what we're going to cover here. Here's here's what we're going to cover here.
00:29:13
Speaker
But he even said in the Gizmodo article that that it if he originally got to do five seasons, he's pretty sure that one season would have been dedicated to casting and or his education.
00:29:26
Speaker
so like, yeah like what even education are you talking about because i'm like education on rebellion or education in school or i think like val which is later on he was talking about like the education he's gotten from characters like kino loy luthan rail so yeah well i mean what it really comes down to for me kind of echoing what you said i'd much rather get the beginning and the end of a story with maybe a little bit cut out then getting a story without an ending at all.
00:30:00
Speaker
Right. So if I get the highlights for it, I'd much rather have the highlights than nothing. And I am getting, I'm turning around a little bit to this idea of, these three episode arc launches.
00:30:12
Speaker
And when I tell myself, you know, it's like we're getting a movie from a fan perspective. I'm like, hell yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to focus on that and not be like, how am I going to cover this?
00:30:24
Speaker
Well, Tony Gilroy understands our our pain because he says he does. We heard about that as we finished. We finished the show in November, which They finished the show in November is crazy.
00:30:34
Speaker
um He says that they had to wait for Skeleton Crew. But then he says it's a Disney decision. There's an internal logic behind it. They have their reasons. It's kind of cool. I mean, it puts a burden on podcasters.
00:30:46
Speaker
What are they going to do? It's a movie a week. You know, i thought about that later on. I know there are a couple of people that are going to be like, oh, my God, I've got to stay up late tonight. where those people yep that's gonna be us but yeah honestly like ah again if tony gilroy is saying it's kind of cool then who am i to to say no you know i agree because that was my thing he didn't say he was like totally against it he said he alluded to the fact that there's a good reason behind it So he thinks there's a good reason behind it, and we clearly know he's not afraid to necessarily bash Disney a little bit for their decisions or to fight them on their decisions.
00:31:26
Speaker
He's funny, though. The way that he even mentioned earlier with the K2SO stuff about how he doesn't think Disney was happy that he cut K2 from season one. Yeah, I love his his little comments. I don't know. Tony Gilroy, to me, is just one of the best, if not the best creator in the Disney era. He understands Star Wars and I guess he doesn't.
00:31:50
Speaker
I don't want to say he understands Star Wars in like the perfect way or the right way, but he understands Star Wars in a way that speaks to me personally. And I really enjoyed Rogue One.
00:32:00
Speaker
I really enjoyed Andor season one. And I'm like 99.9% sure I'm going to love Andor season And I'm just so thankful that, you know, in this current climate of Star Wars, where I've been complaining and complaining about everything, we're going into a show where I know it's what I love. I know it's from creators that I love, that I trust.
00:32:22
Speaker
And at the end of the day, that's what Star Wars is about. It's a big, huge fucking franchise, big, huge galaxy. And there's something for everybody. And this happens to be the thing for me.
00:32:33
Speaker
I think, at least for me, and even better, I think this is a better way to put it. I wouldn't even say that he understands Star Wars necessarily in in that sense, and compared to maybe other creators.
00:32:45
Speaker
I think it's more if he understands how to tell a good story in the Star Wars universe. Right. Yeah. But I mean, he also understands like important things. like Sure, he doesn't know about the Sith Wars from the Old Republic, but he you understands...
00:33:01
Speaker
You think Tony Gilroy knows about midichlorians? No, he doesn't. But he also, but that to me, to me, when I say that he understands Star Wars, to me, Star Wars isn't midichlorians or a bunch of lore. Star Wars to me is a great story that parallels our real world. That is a good story for people that are coming into it.
00:33:22
Speaker
And also something that is unique and innovative. And Tony Gilroy is that. Tony Gilroy is all those things. So yeah, Dave Filoni definitely understands like Star Wars lore more than Tony Gilroy. I think is a better way to put it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And something that I'll never bash Dave Filoni for is his understanding and love of Star Wars. I mean, that man before he was even hired for the Clone Wars, when he got the call to work on the Clone Wars, he was making a Plo Koon cosplay in his garage.
00:33:52
Speaker
So, you know, I'm never going to bash that side of things. But to me, Star Wars isn't just the lore. It's also stories and storytelling and things like that. And so that's why I love this little corner of the Star Wars galaxy. And I'm a little sad that it's going to be over in about 10 weeks.
00:34:12
Speaker
Well, I think Tony Gilroy is the unsung creator of the Star Wars creatives. I feel like people don't always mention him or he's always forgotten about. You hear so much about Johnny, you hear so much about Dave. right And people are like, oh yeah, and Tony Gilroy was great.
00:34:27
Speaker
But yeah, I think he deserves a lot more credit for what he has brought to this universe for sure. Yeah. So good on us for making about 30, 40 minute podcast episode, basically glazing Tony Gilroy.
00:34:42
Speaker
We were happy to do so though. Agreed. So Scotty, if there's nothing left, why don't you send us out of here? Make sure you follow us on social media or wherever you get your podcasts. So you don't miss out on any of our episodes, including our and or coverage.
00:34:58
Speaker
Thank you all so much for watching. And as always, may the force be with you.