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Summer Refresh: Redeeming Nightmares w/ Jake Bullard
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Joined by her friend Jake Bullard, Margaux and Jake discuss the importance of redeeming nightmares and taking back what the enemy has stolen from our night seasons. Have you ever experienced spiritual attack in your dream life? Have you ever had a nightmare? Sadly, you are not alone. There are many dreamers who have subsequently chosen to either shut down their gift as a result of this violation, or, they continue to struggle, having only seen the counterfeit compared to what God has for us in our dream lives. BUT - there is good news! God redeems ALL things - including your dream life!
Because the enemy can only create a counterfeit, that means somewhere in that nightmare, there is a redemptive word of the Lord to be sought out. We must dive in and ask God how He is speaking redemptively into this so that we can, with our God-given authority, take back this territory for the Kingdom and God’s purposes. Often times the area in which we are most attacked in our dream lives is the area in which the enemy is most intimidated by your gifting, calling and identity. Join us in this episode to hear powerful testimonies of breakthrough and learn how to see God’s redemption in all things!
For more info on Jake and/or his courses, visit: www.dreams222.com
*Scripture References: Psalm 37:12-15; Colossians 2:15; Romans 2:4; Psalm 91:1; Numbers 21:6-9; Colossians 1:20; Matthew 10:16; John 3:14; Psalm 139:17-18; Isaiah 9:7; 1 John 4:18
“The enemy has hijacked the night season from so many people. Your dreams are the purest form of a prophetic word that you’re ever going to receive because it bypasses your frontal lobe of consciousness, and God uses the limitlessness of your subconscious to speak to you the vastness of your destiny.”
“The places that people are being attacked in their nightmares were generally the place where they are the strongest and the enemy is the most intimidated…God wants to redeem that.”
“God is the God of the night just as He is the God of the day. There’s never a moment where God is not God. And in that, He wants to speak to you.”
“The cross has the final word, period.”
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Transcript
Introduction to Breathing Underwater Program
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Opening this September is a fresh season of the Breathing Underwater membership. If you're ready to dive into God's voice in your dreams and in your life and grow in a prophetic community, this is the place for you. We'll be doing an open house in August, so keep your ears peeled for that, and there's more details in the show notes.
Meeting with Jake Bullard and His Prophetic Journey
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This is Breathing Underwater, the summer refresh series.
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic. We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God. This is Breathing Underwater.
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Hi, Jake. Hello, Margot. Hey friend, Jake Bullard. He and I only met, I guess probably a month ago or so. that It was a month ago. Yeah. getting ah We were at a prophetic conference together and someone said, Margo, this guy's a dreamer. He's a big time dream dude. And I was like, okay, I need to talk to him. We need to chat. And we got started chatting and I just immediately could feel the depth and revelatory
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connection that this man has to the Holy Spirit, to the dream realm. He's just got a really cool background in history and relationship with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit has really unfolded and taught you a lot in this.
Learning Dream Interpretation through the Holy Spirit
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I mean, I know you've, you've learned from other people as well. Of course, our, our fathers and mothers who've gone before us, but One of the things that I love about you is how much the Holy Spirit has really taught you in this and how much you have your own revelation about dreams. So I am very excited to get into this, but I'm going to let you introduce yourself a little bit more where you're from, anything you want to tell us about your life and a little bit of your dream history.
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Yeah, well, cool. Well, thank you, Margo, for having me on. It has been a pleasure getting to know you. It's been a um a short ride, but a very wild one, just in some of the conversations we have had, and super honored to be here with you today. So thank you so much for the for the invitation. I am Jake Bullard. I am the founder of Dreams 222. You can find us on Facebook.
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Uh, on Instagram, all those places as well. Uh, my website is dreams to 22.com. Uh, you can check out more information there, but I live in Atlanta, Georgia. I am married. My beautiful wife, Rachel, we've been, uh, 20 and a half years, January will make 21 years on. Yeah. We, uh, my birth name is Jacob, by the way, her name is Rachel. I see any Bible scholars listening to the podcast today.
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even have to be much of a scholar. i That's true. You'd be surprised at how much that goes over people's heads and it hits them like 15 seconds later. Some of my favorite things to do, but we've been married for almost 21 years. We have three amazing young men. My oldest is Luke. He is 18.
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My young ah middle is Parker. He is 14 and then my youngest is Caleb and he is nine and they are a blast full of like anything you can think of like a boy and it amplified like 10 times and that's who who they are and and Caleb rules the roost just so that everybody knows. I could feel that when you said Caleb I'm like there's a weight
Family's Spiritual Experiences and Early Dream Insights
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on Caleb. I could feel something's going on with him.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. He is. He is something else for sure. So pick the land, I think, huh? Yeah. His middle name is Andrew. So Caleb Andrew. So wholehearted warrior. Wow. There's that. Yeah. I'm sure we'll talk about him some more today and at our conversation with just some of the fun things that Holy Spirit has done in him already. Oh, I would love to hear that. And I have to go back to this Rachel Jacob moment. Did you have to work seven years for her? Was there a whole like seven year moment or a no?
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I felt like it. No, no, we knew each we met through mutual friends. We knew each other for about a year. We dated for a year and then we were engaged for five months. So, so yeah, she's a little bit older than me. So if anybody had to wait, it was her. Oh, and I hear you. ah Okay. That is not for the faint of heart. I love it. All right. I couldn't help myself with the seven year thing. I had to just ask parallels. Okay. So tell us a little bit about your dream history or how did you get into this?
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Yeah, yeah, good question.
Mentorship and the Spiritual Significance of Dreams
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So, you know, I believe that all of us are dreamers. It's the way God programmed us from infancy until until we take our last breath. um And, you know, so I've had a lot of dreams when I was younger. I grew up in a very conservative denomination of of Christianity here in the South, right in the buckle of the Bible Belt. um it it starts it It ends with a test and starts with a BAP, if you know what I mean.
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So I didn't really have a grid for God actually using dreams still today in my youth and I can look back at certain dreams where I can see Holy Spirit was already talking to me at young ages. I just had no way of of understanding or knowing that and um you know my parents didn't know you know it wasn't their fault just they grew up in that same culture.
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um Fast forward a little bit to like 1999 I ended up um meeting some friends and I went over to their house one day and was watching a Brownsville revival video and Steve Hill and I was like man this is awesome and I knew these people really well and and so we started praying after the after the video and They, you know, I'm praying good old Baptist prayers like thank you, Jesus, Father, God, this, Father, God, that, you know, and just, you know, thank you for this family, Father, God, bless and Father, God, and nothing wrong with that. It's just where I was at, you know, yeah and they're all Southern Baptist as well. and And all of a sudden I start hearing them speaking in tongues, praying in tongues, and I stop.
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And I'm like, hold on, I was taught this was, this passed away. And I start listening. I could hear the genuineness the and the authenticity of their gifting. And I sat and listened for, it felt like 10 minutes. It could have been two. And I said, Holy Spirit, I know this is real. Like in that moment, that encounter flipped the script, if you will, for me. And I said, Holy Spirit, I know this is real. I know these people. I want to worship you this way. And they came over, laid hands on me, baptized me in the Holy Ghost and you know, Shandai, Hondai, Barabarakiya. Later, I was, you know, had my prayer language and, you know, from 1 Corinthians 12, I was just, you know, knocking it out. Started dreaming some more, still though I didn't have anybody to teach me dreams. And so I took a lot of those dreams in that, um that was like in the early 2000s, very literal. And when God was speaking metaphoric and
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And so, not a mistake, it was a learning experience, you know, um and so fast forward to 2016 and in that process, there were several, several times the Lord would speak to me in dreams and then prophetically and stuff but in 2016 things like majorly shifted was like, not only did God hit the accelerator he hit the nitrous oxygen boost and we started taking off and Um, yeah, it was, it was very powerful, very crazy
Prophetic Gifts and Personal Revelations
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time. Um, prophetic, just getting words for people, words of knowledge, prophetic words, people in public, hearing the voice of the Lord. Like I walked into a restaurant one day and this man and his wife and, um, a client of his walk in and, um, I just kind of, you know, they drew my attention. And as soon as I saw the man, the Lord says there is a man of God. And I was like, whoa. And I heard it just as clear as I'm talking to you. Hmm.
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And so they go, I sit down, they sit down kind of kitty corner to me and the the Lord says, or he blesses the food the gentleman does. And I was like, Oh, wow, I am here in the Lord. He is a man of God. And the Lord said, I know I want you to go tell him. And I'm like,
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You know, so I go and tell him he starts sobbing, have a whole encounter, just, you know, confirmation and stuff. And so that was like kind of that process. And then in that same timeframe, my dream life went from kind of spotty here and there to prolific almost overnight.
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And um I had such powerful a powerful dream that I knew God was speaking to me in. And I knew like the surface level or the linear look or the ink on the page, if you will, that the meaning of it was super deep and I didn't know what it was. It would it went beyond what I just saw in the dream. And so that caused me to go on a journey to search out the deeper matter, Proverbs 25 too, right? And so I went to a friend of mine at church, his name was Jared.
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I said, Jared, bro, I got these dreams and I know God is speaking to me and I know I don't know what it means. Do you know anybody that interprets dreams? Jared said, yeah, my mom does. And I said, can you please introduce me? He said, absolutely. So he introduced me to Kathy Jones, who became instantly a spiritual mother to me and still a spiritual mother to this day. You know, now we're and coming to the fall of 2023. So seven years later,
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I still take her my dreams on a regular basis and Holy Spirit used her to teach me dreams or interpretations and seeing the metaphors and just the similes and and all of that and then um it was super powerful because in that in that time frame I went from just hearing her and being like oh wow that fits like that missing puzzle piece you know you have the big picture and you're missing one or two and then you find it it just slides into place and that's what her interpretations were they weren't like she didn't break down definitions of like well this means this and this means that and this color is this so this is what your dream means
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She was like, no, this is what Holy Spirit is saying. And she would declare it out. And it was like, man, and it would just hit me right in the chest. um And so Holy Spirit was, I was learning in that process. And then there was a shift to where right before she was, and this is several months in, but right before she would release the interpretation, I would catch the revelation, like na like nanosecond. And I'm like, whoa. And so that was like a little bit of a graduation step. And that happened for a couple months. And then there was a time period where um where she was like I you know what what do you think and she wasn't telling me they like them but she was she didn't have anything right she wasn't hearing and she was like I know this of the lord and but she recognized it was holy spirit teaching me and and and and how holy spirit wanted me to rely on holy spirit and not mama kathy that's so good yeah and so
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Exactly. And so in that I started, well, this is what I think. And I was really processing in that it was it wasn't nearly as much in what I call interpretation now, but I was processing it and she was like, yep, yep, yep. And then that would trigger her to release the actual prophetic word that was hidden in the dream. And so.
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Yeah, that was my ah that was my journey about a year and a half or so before I ever interpreted somebody else's dream. I had a friend of mine call me up and he starts sharing this dream with me and I'm going, Oh my gosh, this is a warning dream. This is a warning dream about his job. His job's about to go south and all these things were laid out and I'm hearing this.
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like I'm talking to you and I'm like wow and I released the interpretation to him and there was two different little mountain ranges that he was flying over in the plane and then his boss was the one that his manager was flying the plane um and then the second mountain range it it crashed and I was like dude this is a warning dream about your job and like man you're doing good you're gonna be safe no matter what because he came out of the airplane crash not even smell smoke on him you know, looking at Daniel there for, a you know, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, right? um And I said, hey, dude, there's gonna be two occurrences that's seemingly like insurmountable odds, but you're gonna get through them. The second one
Approach to Dream Interpretation and Evangelism
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though, your boss is, your manager is gonna be removed from that position. I don't know if he's gonna quit or get fired or how that's gonna work out, but I want you to know that that in this timeframe, this is how it's gonna look, but you're gonna be fine. Your job is gonna be fine.
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And um he told me that dream in March of 2018, and I think it was the end of July of 2018, we saw the entire thing play out just like I had saw it in his dream. And I was like, whoa, I mean, yeah, totally, totally freaked me out and stuff. And so I got some, you know, started interpreting other people's dreams and releasing what I was hearing Holy Spirit say. And it was always the way I release an interpretation is is I'm looking for that prophetic word, that message that's on Father's heart that's hidden in the dream.
00:12:28
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Right. I'm not necessarily looking at what the symbolism means. I kind of, you know, it's important to know those things, but what's not important when you're releasing an interpretation is telling that person what all those things mean um because you honestly, you lose impact there. and And I'm a big person about impacting somebody's heart. Like my my goal, anytime I'm ministering dream interpretation prophetically, my goal is to lead that person I'm ministering to into a deeper encounter with love himself, which is Jesus.
00:12:58
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And if we get into the symbolism on the front end of it of an interpretation, we water that encounter down. And so I would just start releasing what I was hearing the Father saying, what I was hearing in Holy Spirit saying in terms of that. And I would type out my interpretations like a prophetic word because the dream is prophetic.
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and so every time I would do that I would get a response of wow or oh my gosh or you have no idea or how did you know that the Lord's been speaking to me that and these are people I don't know to this day right and that was my process and that's how it kind of all started and here we are now it sounds like you have a bit of an evangelistic angle to this is that true Yeah, there's ah there's some of that too. you know Growing up in the culture I did, we had a high respect and honor for evangelism, because we had to go and you know lead the world to Jesus, or it was going to be our fault. you know and so But I do love doing that. um I do it differently from the goodness of God that draws men into repentance, not the condemnation of man. and so ah But definitely, because I want to bring people, ah whether you're a pre-believer or a believer,
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I want to bring you into that deeper encounter with love so that you understand like how much you get a glimpse of how much he loves you. And dreams are a big piece of that for me. I completely agree. I love this. So just in that story, I had about 17 questions come up. And I'm really trying to get to talking about a different topic, but I have to just go with a couple of these. So when you talked about you were having dreams and you were taking them very literally at first.
00:14:33
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And then you had this baptism of the spirit moment, and it was like you started to hear the voice of God. There was something that was just activated, unlocked, and your dream life started to change as well in that time. How did your dreams change? Did they look different? Did they feel different? What was that like for you? Yeah, they were very clear, right? like They were very um vibrant.
00:14:57
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Right. And they were happening on a very regular basis where before it might be, you know, a couple of year, we're talking a couple of week. And when I'm talking like dreams, it could be movie kind of dreams. Yes. Got it. OK.
00:15:12
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That was some of the shifting and that's where God was really like, I'm using dreams to speak to you and I'm going to make such a point of that. You have to seek someone out to train you because unbeknownst to me, here we are now. Yeah. I had no clue about any of that. Um, you know, to the degree that I do now. Right. Okay. That because I do think that there are people who are listening to this podcast who are in this transition space, who have been like, I have dreams every once in a while and God is actually turning turning it up and they're and saying, I've even had feedback from people who were like, I used to dream. I don't know why I started listening to the podcast again. All my dreams are coming back. What do I do? And I'm like, this is amazing. God is reactivating. The spirit is moving on this. So thank you for sharing that part.
00:15:58
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um I love too how God was so kind to give you these like really powerful confirmations and validations right away that, yep, you're hearing me. Yep. That was the interpretation for that dream. And here it's playing
Reliance on the Holy Spirit vs. Dream Dictionaries
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out in this super short timeframe, just to get your juices flowing in the space of, yeah, I hear this is real. I hear God.
00:16:18
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Um, I know I mentioned this at the very beginning, but your reliance on the Holy Spirit, I mean, this is something we talk about a lot on here is that you can have symbol dictionaries and actually on this podcast, I'm a lot about helping people discern their own dreams. So we do go into metaphor and those kinds of things, which is a little bit different than just, you know, offering the interpretation off the cuff, even though I completely agree with you that.
00:16:39
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There's impact and encounter in that. So people are, you know, oftentimes reading dictionaries or looking up symbols and stuff if they feel a little bit stuck. But I am always saying, always ask the Holy Spirit first, because he's going to show you what that means. He's going to give me the whole interpretation. As soon as we think that a symbol means one thing every time, it just doesn't. It's not how this works. It is just a formula. You and I are on the same page with this.
00:17:02
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But I love how much you've learned to rely on him. It sounds like that was it wasn't about symbolism. It wasn't about learning dreams from John Paul Jackson, even though I love him and his teaching. It was you and Holy Spirit. Yeah. Is that how it went for you? Yeah, that's that's a lot of how it was. And and Holy Spirit would lead me in different ways, you know, like to Mama Kathy. um He led me to eventually to John Paul Jackson. What was interesting is and before I met Kathy,
00:17:31
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When I started dreaming, I had this one memory of this tall white haired gentleman with a white beard interpreting a dream on Daystar. And I'm like, who was that? Who was that? And I started researching. Then I found out it was John Paul. Totally was time he had already passed away. Oh, wow. So I was like junk, you know. um But then thank God I had Mama Kathy, because, you know, um I do things a little bit, I honor John Paul with everything that I have. um I get emotional, which is a high probability here in a moment, um but I honor him in everything he did because if he hadn't done what he had, but if he had not done what he did, you and I would not be doing what we're doing right now. but um Yeah. His, his ceiling has become my floor. And if I only teach what he taught, then I don't honor him.
00:18:23
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right I need to build the new thing, the new wine skin to introduce the new wine of dream interpretation. And that's the way I honor him is by releasing dreams the way I do. um You know, you'd mentioned like the dream dictionary piece and stuff. And the thing that i I'm not opposed to those, but the thing that I found with those is people box everything in. You'd mentioned like until, you know, this means this one thing until it doesn't.
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um And so what I tell people is I will tell you my two best dream dictionaries and I'm going to tell you them in order. Okay. Yeah. The first one is Holy Spirit but because Holy Spirit exactly because Holy Spirit is the one who authored the dream.
Biblical Resources in Dream Interpretation
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always knows what that dream means, why that dog or that person or that car or that color or that animal was in there. And it might fall in line with the dream dictionary, but it might also be a and more. And so we want that and more as well.
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The second best dream dictionary is the Bible. How many metaphors and parables are in the Bible? And so you can go back and all through Proverbs, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, and Isaiah, all through the Proverbs of Jesus. And you can start seeing the similarities or even like when Paul is speaking to you know the Romans and the Corinthians and and everybody else you know he's talking about man I wish I could give you meat but I can't because you know you're on milk you know and so there's metaphor in that as well and so that's really how that started and how the Lord showed me because like when Kathy would tell me a dream interpretation she would never quote the scripture address or even the scripture verse
00:20:01
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but I would know exactly what scripture she was referencing because of how she articulated that into the interpretation, right? And so that's what I did. I know the divinity code has some great stuff too. So, so much appreciate what they do. ah Doug Addison has some great resources. And then I have that there's a christiandreamsymbols.com I think is what it's called. So I would go there from time to time. um But now that's on a much more less and less basis at this point, but it's, um, you know, and then I do, I don't mind getting into the metaphors and stuff. Uh, but I do that instead of doing that on the front end, I do that on the back end. right Yeah. Right. And so I want people to have that encounter and just like feel the touch of the father and then be like, man, how did you see that? Where'd you see that in your dream? And then that's when I will go into, well, this piece here, this is what he showed me in it. So, so beautiful. I love everything that you just said and,
00:20:55
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I also just have such a reverence for John Paul. I mean, he is literally the father who has gone before and broken down so much. And I've learned so much from him and I listened to his teaching and read his things and go, I don't.
00:21:07
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That's actually not how that went for me. Nope. God's actually shown me this different thing here. And just like you said, it's not a disrespect. It's actually just learning and knowing and owning how Holy Spirit speaks to us. And that's the most important thing with dreams as it is given to the dreamer for a reason. The dreamer is going to be the one that's going to resonate with the interpretation. If someone gives you an interpretation is not resonating with you. It is not the interpretation. Throw it out, please. Okay. I don't need to get on that soapbox.
00:21:34
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Moving on. Thank you for all of that. Yeah. In our brief conversation at the conference, you shared with me a little bit about your experience and revelation over nightmares that I just so deeply appreciate and agree with, but feel like I couldn't even articulate as beautifully as you can.
Redeeming Nightmares and Spiritual Growth
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And I don't know if you would say it's become kind of an area of expertise for you, but it sounded that way when we were talking. Is that true?
00:22:06
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Um, why I don't know that I ever feel like I'm at the expertise level, ah okay but I know yeah I have, uh, I would say become fairly proficient yeah at what I like to call redeeming nightmares.
00:22:19
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Yes. You know, plain and simple, man, the enemy has hijacked the night season from so many people. um And one that like your dreams are the purest form of a prophetic word that you're ever going to receive because it bypasses your frontal lobe of consciousness and God uses your the limitlessness of your subconscious to speak to you the vastness of your destiny. And the enemy has seen throughout time how God spoke to Joseph and Abraham and and Jacob to Gideon and and to to Joseph, the father of Jesus, to Daniel. He's seen all of this. And so he knows how pure it is. um And so one of the things I believe that he has done is he sent the nightmares, which is a counterfeit. So that means there's an authentic you know representation and we need to learn that authentic, that piece of authenticity so we can identify the counterfeit and why has the counterfeit come?
00:23:12
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um And it's usually to scare you or to intimidate you away from your gifting, your calling, or your identity. um Because if he can lie to you about that, remember, he is the father of lies and the murderer from the beginning. And and so those nightmares, those counterfeit dreams or second heaven dreams, however you want to label them, they're all kind of one and the same.
00:23:32
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They are meant to um you know to scare you into intimidate. You remember, he he comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but Jesus came to give us life and life more abundantly. right And the devil doesn't own the night. There's nothing that the enemy owns. He's a fallen angel. He's unemployed. he he is now He's got a demotion to the prince of the air. He's not even the ruler of this world anymore. he is the prince That's a demotion, the prince of the air. And so in that,
00:24:01
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um One of the things I started recognizing is the places where people were being attacked in their nightmares was generally the place where they were the strongest at and where he was the most intimidated. Wow.
00:24:12
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And so I would, I would start to see this and I pieced together, man, God is a redeemer of all things. He wants to redeem nightmares. He wants to redeem that night because I feel like that night season is such a precious time between you and the Lord where he speaks in like joke 33 15 and 16, the new American standard version and a dream and a vision of the night when sound sleep falls upon men while they slumber in their beds. Then he opens the ears of men and seals their instructions.
00:24:40
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right and and if we shut off the nightmares if we shut off our dreams and especially when we're young because we all had nightmares right when we were young especially in those you know pivotal years of learning and stepping into a relationship with you know whether you grew up in a christian home or not we've all had nightmares because he wants to hijack that season um and so many people have prayed against the nightmare like I just know no more nightmares God don't give me I don't want him I don't want to dream anymore because I've had nightmares and I totally understand that and there's no shame in that whatsoever but what I want to encourage you know your listeners with is that God is the God of the night just as he is the God of the day.
00:25:22
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There's never a moment where God is not God. And in that he wants to speak to you in that and he loved you so much. He said, OK, we'll shut it down before a season because you're going to eventually hear this crazy guy from Georgia talking about redeeming nightmares. And there's been so many people that I've i actually do a training in October. It's redeeming nightmares and we get into the nitty gritty and we go after it. um But we saw you know one in that process when I started recognizing people had shut down their dream life by praying against those.
00:25:52
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When my nine, or he's now nine, Caleb, when he was three and four years old, he started seeing demons. He started having nightmares and the bad angels or the dark angels or, you know, something like that. And I i got, he would come in my room at three o'clock in the morning. I'm like, bro, go back to bed.
00:26:11
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Daddy needs to sleep, you know, and Rachel was doing the same thing. And then I finally recognized, oh, he's having a warfare kind of a thing. And so I taught Kayla, he was three or four years old. And I told him, I said, dude, the next time you see that joker, I said, I want you to look him square in the eye and I want you to get mean mugging, just get mean, you know? And I said, you look him square in the eye and you say the Lord Jesus rebuke, you leave now. and I said, you point to your window and if he doesn't do it, you do it again and you do it meaner and you do it louder until he goes. And so,
00:26:41
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He starts doing that. And then one day I wake I go to wake him up. He's about four years old this time i went to wake him up for school ah for his preschool and he was he's my deep sleeper. So it's hard to wake him up even at that young age. Well, he was on the on top of the covers on the foot end of his bed. And he was in that fetal position just with that that grin like a Cheshire cat, you know, just ear to ear. And I'm like, what in the world happened in here last night?
00:27:06
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Right. And I said, I went to wake him up and I barely touched his thigh to wake him up. And he shot up like a like a broke rubber band. I mean, and he had the biggest smile and his eyes were just so bright. And he said, Daddy, I was brave last night.
00:27:22
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I said, do what? He goes, I was brave last night. I'm like, you were, I was brave when the angels came in my room. I said, the angels, he said, yeah, there was, there was one angel, he was in my room, but he didn't have his sword with him this time. The one that was in heaven, he had his sword though. I'm like getting, like I'm getting goosebumps reliving this. I'm like, like yeah there's so much depth just in that we probably don't have time to go into, but I mean, he's seeing things that mature believers haven't experienced yet at four years old.
00:27:52
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And then he said I said, well, what did they tell you? He said, don't be afraid. He got super bold in that. And I'm like, wow, that's awesome. ah So what else happened? He said, then Jesus walked in my room and I'm like, wake me up next time. Let me in on this, you know?
00:28:11
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So Jesus comes in his room, says, don't be afraid. And they played throughout the night in his room. And that has led to at least a dozen that I know of encounters my son has had with Jesus in the nights. Like I went about a year, and maybe been six months ago, six months or a year ago.
00:28:29
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I was puttin' in bed and he's like, dad, tell me a story. I'm like, how many how many more David and Goliath stories can I tell him, you know? And I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna tell you something you don't know yet, buddy. He's like, all right, what's that? I said, did you know that while you sleep, Jesus dances over you and sings over you? And he's like, yeah, didn't you know that? I'm like, you mean you've already seen that? And he's like, all the time. I'm like, why don't you tell me something?
00:28:54
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like But what I recognized is when I taught him his authority, there is no junior Jesus. There is no junior Holy Spirit. There is no junior power or junior authority. It's all the same and he's a believer in Jesus even at that young age. I taught him that authority.
00:29:14
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It enabled him to become the seer that he is. He sees angels all the time still to this day at nine years old. Had I prayed against that and been like, you know, it's just your imagination, right? Although well-intended, it shuts it down um because, you know, I didn't do that with him. I taught him his authority because I can't stand bullies.
00:29:35
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And every piece of the system of darkness, they are bullies. And so we resist the devil, submit to God and he will flee, or we throat punch him. And we'll we'll do it. We'll do it either way.
00:29:47
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so um So by teaching him his authority and not shutting that down, that has allowed him to step into that seer gift that he is, to have dreams and visions and things of that nature. And um and it's been very ah profound. It's been very prolific, even for him just to teaching him as his authority in that, that the highest part of hell is still beneath the lowest part of him. And there is there is no you know higher levels, higher devils kind of stuff. I mean, we go through junk. Don't get me wrong.
00:30:15
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um but you know, he's disarmed and defeated. Jesus made a mockery of him on the cross, right? Like he did all of those things. And so even since that whole encounter, about two, about maybe three years ago now, so he was about six, six or seven years old, one Saturday morning, I'm sitting on the couch drinking some coffee. I was literally two sips in. He comes stumbling downstairs. He says, daddy, I had a bad dream last night. And I'm like, really? I'm like, I'm not even awake yet.
00:30:43
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And I'm like, devil hadn't learned his lesson yet. Go figure. And so he sits down on my lap and he starts telling me that, um, he saw Pennywise in his dream, that clown, you know, from Stephen King, it, you know, the whole, yeah, right. I mean, like, listen, I, your clowns are creepy. However, there is an element of joy that the enemy has tried to hijack with those clowns. We need to get back to the original intent of that joy. So there's a side note there. So he starts telling me the dream and I have gotten nothing on it.
00:31:14
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I'm like not hearing the Lord or anything. And I'm like, all right, Lord, he's coming to me just like I come to you. I don't want to let him down because I want him to trust me in this stuff. But I'm like, I got nothing. And Holy Spirit said, what do I do for my throne at my enemies? I said, you laugh. He goes, maybe you should laugh too.
00:31:33
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And so I just forced myself to step into joy and I start laughing and I start hackling. And then you see the tension like <unk> like just come down off of Caleb and he starts laughing. And I'm like, can you believe that dumb devil sent you a clown to try to scare you? Don't you know that the joy of the Lord is your strength? He can't steal that from you. And so I start edifying him and all of the redeemed aspects of what a clown is, that joy, that laughter, that childlike faith.
00:32:01
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Right. and strength And so that was a lot of the learning. And then I've transitioned that into actual teaching that I do in a five week period in October, starting October 26, Eastern Standard Time, ah Facebook and Zoom. And you can register on my website dreams to 22.com under the products tab for that. But um But that was where, you know, I, you know, I saw all that in firsthand application. Um, and man, I guess I like, you want to keep going? Cause I got tons of stories I can go with. Yes. Let me, let me, yes. We're going to stay on this topic. I love everything you just mentioned. We, I have done a couple of different segments before on like teaching authority to our kids, but this is such a, a unique.
00:32:48
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And ah really just simple way, I think that you were like, Oh, I'm just asking Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit's just showing me how to interact with my kid over this. I'm teaching him authority, but then the rest is in his hands. Cause he has the same authority as me. It's like, I think sometimes as, as parents, we feel like we have to have it all figured out to be able to teach them. But if we're just empowering them to talk to the Lord and listen to the spirit and to operate in their authority, I mean, that that's pretty much, that's pretty much what it is.
00:33:15
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100% pretty much what I might not have any idea, but I can be like, Hey, why don't you ask Jesus about that? And they ask Jesus and they hear from Jesus. I'm like, glad you did. Cause I didn't just now, you know, I mean, this some of the purest words that I receive are from kid kiddos immediately. Right.
00:33:32
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yeah So I just felt really approachable the way that you did that. And I love how you just illustrated talking about the counterfeit. And I would love for you to, if you have any more examples of that, like, Hey, this is a dream I had, or someone had, this was the counterfeit. What was the authentic that it was actually a steal. Can you give us a couple of examples of that? Yeah, I'll share a really strong one. This one really, um,
00:33:55
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It legit blew my mind with how the Lord uses it. Actually, I have two of them. Can I share two? Is that OK? Absolutely. Please do. All right. So um the first one, this goes back to the evangelistic side of things. um Back in 2018, we had a small group at my house um on this particular night. It was a married couple and then a stepmother and her daughter or her pardon stepdaughter and then me and my wife.
00:34:21
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Um, the, the stepdaughter was visiting her dad from out of state. And while she sat there, she was like 17 at the time. We're talking Holy Spirit and just moving in the spirit and stuff like that. And she looked like that her expression on her face was like, I really like being here, but I feel out of place. Right. And so the entire time I'm like, Lord, she's here for a reason. What word do you have? And and I got nothing like zilch, like I'm not getting,
00:34:48
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you know, any sort of highlights or triggers or any of that kind of stuff. And I'm like, Lord, come on. And so, so I end up interpreting for that married couple. They both had two dreams, a dream each in one night, and they both spoke to each other and some things that they were going through as a couple. And then the Lord took my attention back to the young lady and said, ask her if she's ever had a dream. And so I said, her name was Trinity. And I said, hey, Trinity, do you have any dreams? And she goes, no, not really. I don't like to dream anymore.
00:35:17
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And instantly on the inside, I'm like, Oh, let's go. Ding, ding fights on like, not, we're not even lacing up the gloves. We're going to go bare knuckle on this one. Right. And so I said, really, I said, why not? She said, well, the last dream I had was a nightmare and it scared me. And, um, and I, I literally felt the heart of the father break for her in that. Because that's not what he intended our dream life to be like, right? So I said, well, tell me your dream. And she looks at me like, you must be dumb.
00:35:46
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but you could tell like she was like, all right, fine. Cause she just heard the interpretations for that couple. And so she says, this is her dream. She says, in my dream, I was in the basement of a two bedroom house. It was pitch black. I was in one room and my grandfather was in another room and there was demons and zombies chasing me to try to catch me, to kill me and eat me. But every time they got close to me, I was able to get away and find shelter or find a hiding spot because I had on night vision goggles.
00:36:16
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and And then she was like, you could see her just reliving that, right? And I immediately, I mean, I just and had the interpretation, Holy Spirit was super thick in the room. And I looked at it her and I said, that's a really cool dream. And she looked at me like, I thought you were dumb, but you just confirmed it. You know, you try having that dream, right? And I said, here's what your dream means. You know, sometimes you gotta pull a Joseph, right? Like is God not the one who has interpretations of dreams and then release what you hear, right?
00:36:45
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And so I said, here's what your dream means. I said the Lord has given you the ability to see in the dark, you can see into the unseen. And because of that, Trinity, you actually terrify the devil and all of his demons, because they know that once you step into the into the aspect that of that gifting that God has given you.
00:37:02
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then not only will you be able to see his moves before he makes them and find shelter in the shadow of his wings, but you'll be able to ah you'll be able to lead others into that same freedom and that same security because you're a seer you can see into the unseen and she's looking at me like oh my god right and then holy spirit says ask her how long she's been seeing spirits that's the trinity how long you've been seeing spirits and there's probably a 30 second pause in that and she sighs and goes for a long time and you get like just the tremble and everything. And I said, see, there is proof that what I tell you is true.
00:37:37
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And instantly she broke down and started crying and you could see fear leaving her in that moment because we brought perfect love into that room, right? And so we go for about, I don't know, 10 to 15 minutes. We ministered to her, me, my wife, her stepmom, the other married couple. She literally goes through seven tissues of just snotting all over herself in the most beautiful of ways and I'm sitting there and I'm watching her and then Jesus walks in the room behind me. I literally feel the tangible presence of Jesus in the room and he says ask her how long or excuse me he goes ask her if she's ever asked me in her heart and I said hey Trinity I said have you ever asked Jesus into your heart to be the lord of your life
00:38:23
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And she says, no, not really. I said, well, would you like to deny such? You see all of this come true. And she said yes to Jesus from a nightmare. and like you want to talk about the ultimate throat chop to the enemy. Come on. That's that's proof that God is taking the things that the enemy meant for evil and using them for our good and for his glory and it was a super powerful time in that and just you know, seeing what he did in there like there's no condemnation in that like there is no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus and it's the goodness of God that draws men into repentance not that condemnation of man, right and like
00:39:01
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I don't look at those dreams and try to pick out why the devil is there. I don't give two rips why he's there. Where is Jesus in this? Like where are the angels at, right? If we outnumber the enemy by two to one, according to revelation, and where is Jesus at in this? Where is, where are two angels at, right? Where's, where's the gifting here? Because in order for a dream to be a counterfeit, it has to follow the same protocols as the authentic dream. The difference is it's laced with lies.
00:39:31
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Right. And so in that, I started to understand that God is a God of order and his messages flow in an order. And because the authentic has to mimic, or excuse me, the counterfeit has to mimic the authentic, then that counterfeit has to flow in an order too. and Otherwise it's not a counterfeit.
00:39:51
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And so I started seeing that I'm like, Oh, because it's a counterfeit, it's falling the same flow as a God dream. So God has hidden his message in there, unbeknownst to the enemy. Oh my God. So true. And those goggles were the dead giveaway, right? Like a hundred percent who had goggles on. I see you. Yeah. And the fact she was able to find shelter, right? And Psalms 91. Oh my gosh.
00:40:13
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Right. And so um so that was a lot of that. Then there was a I did a training a couple of years ago. um I did like a five day kind of, you know, challenge kind of a training. And on day three, I did a what at that time I call it the redeemed redeemed view. Right. um And so I'm teaching basically redeeming nightmares, but I hadn't that hadn't developed quite yet. And so I'm talking about, you know, using that dream as an example and several other dreams.
00:40:43
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that I had in my queue at that time. And then um the next morning I get a message from a young lady out and I say young lady, she's probably in her 30s, but she messages me on on Facebook. We had some interactions. She was in my Facebook group and stuff. And she said, Hey, um all this happened in May of this particular year. And so she messaged me and says, Hey, in October of last year, I had a nightmare and you redeemed it.
00:41:08
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And in part of that nightmare, there was a demon that was choking me and you redeem that talking about my voice and my authority and it totally resonated. And she said, however, there was another piece of that dream that I've never told anybody. She said, not only was that demon choking me, that demon was raping me as well. And I felt the heart of the father break and my heart broke and I got I got a little I had some holy anger. Oh, yeah.
00:41:37
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Right. And so I read this on messenger and Holy Spirit jumps right in and says he's trying to steal her innocence and virtue. She's a virtuous and ah virtuous woman with holiness and purity. all like And so I start typing that out. I said, yeah, he was trying to steal your innocence and virtue, but you're a virtuous woman. You're one who of of purity and of holiness and one whose voice like I'd mentioned something about her her power and her voice and the authority linking back to her purity and how it's all like coinciding and how powerful she is and how pure she is in that. Literally, she sends me back cry emoji, cry emoji, cry emoji, hands up, hands up, hands up. one like It was 15 or 16 different emojis and stuff. She says, you have no idea. The Lord has been talking to me about his power and purity and why purity is so important to operate in his power. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
00:42:28
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It had nothing to do with quote unquote soul ties and you needed that kind of junk. eight and And so the Lord has showed me how to see his redemption in all things, right?
Focusing on God's Redemptive Messages in Dreams
00:42:43
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When you look at what a bully a bully thrives off of pride, right? Well, Lucifer was the first bully. That's what got him kicked out of heaven, right? And what do they want? They want your attention. And so if we focus on that stuff, you know, the hidden sin and Listen, you ain't Jesus. You ain't Holy Spirit. And he took care of the hidden sin on the cross. So let's move on past that. Right. And so um so that's how I chose to, you know, choose I choose to see his redemption in all things. Sometimes it's difficult. But if you focus on love, guess what you're going to find focus or find love. One of my great my favorite quote from John Paul, what you focus on
00:43:22
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You make um ah what you focus on, you make room for, and what you fear, you empower. And if you're focused on finding all the hidden sin and all the generational curses and all this, you're gonna miss the righteousness that they are in Christ. You're gonna miss those generational blessings that can actually sever those ties by partnering with what heaven says instead of what the devil says, right? You're gonna miss out on that opportunity to be the minister of reconciliation that we are called to be according to 2 Corinthians.
00:43:52
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And so I've chosen to, yeah, I see that. I understand that, but what does Jesus say? Because what he says trumps everything the enemy says. And so that's how, I mean, I can, i can Margot, I can go for hours on this, as you can tell.
00:44:07
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so what i what I experience a lot when I'm coaching people and learning their dreams is that it's easier to see the redemptive thing in someone else's dream, right? So when we're looking at our own dream, it's it's like we're looking through a lens of a cruel Jesus that is not the Jesus that we know. And we get stuck in this fear place and we get stuck in this shame place. And the fact that this girl even shared that part of her dream with you about the rape was
00:44:38
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huge because there could have been shame and fear and anything that would want to keep that in the darkness. But here's the the dream realm. And i I say this all the time. That was not a dream from God. That was not, that was a demonic dream and that was graphic and hideous.
00:44:52
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And God sometimes uses really graphic imagery to get our attention. And even in that, we can feel fear and shame like, well, there's this sexual thing happening in my dream, but it actually might be the Lord speaking about intimacy. Come on. Speaking about partnerships, speaking about agreements, speaking about all of these things, but we don't want to go there because we're so afraid it means something bad or that he's going to shame us.
00:45:13
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Even in a demonic dream where clearly the enemy was trying to intimidate and twist and get awful feelings and and visuals in their mind, that was not imagery from the Lord. But in that same way, we get ashamed of that. We get afraid of that. We want to hide it, but she brought it out to the light and you were like, Oh.
00:45:30
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what the enemy's trying to hang you on he's hanging on now he's we're taking his gallows and he's gonna hang on those suckers just over playing his hand i mean this is what nightmares are it's like see what i'm doing it's blatant if you like see here it's very very clear but so then especially in our own experiences, it's like, wait, I'm tapping into this old mentality ah of this religious Jesus, or this shame space, or ah it's it's harder sometimes with our own nightmares and dreams. So I don't know if there's anything you want to add to that, or if you've had personal nightmares that you've had to overcome, or how has that worked for you? Because you clearly have such authority in seeing that for others. What is it like when you're interpreting your own? Do you have nightmares? Anything in that?
00:46:19
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I've not had a nightmare in a very, very long time. When I first started moving and prophetically, I would have ah dreams where I was fighting the demonic and I would have a paralysis of some sort where I couldn't say Jesus's name. Yeah. And.
00:46:36
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what that was doing was trying to intimidate me that that that you don't have that authority. You can't say that, but I would power through it. I remember two times it would happen. I'd be like, yeah, you know, I wouldn't be able. And then the next night, ge Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. And it built up and it welled up and it just strengthened my inner core, and my inner spirit in that. And then I had other dreams like God dreams where he was showing my um me, my authority. This was after those paralysis dreams, but my authority over the demonic because Jesus has given us that authority the cross has the final word period and so it did take some time it did take some time it's like oh I need to believe that authority that I have.
00:47:18
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right? So there may have been a little bit, there was a lack of belief, or maybe not necessarily belief, but ah am I, can I really kind of a thing, right? There was an opportunity to upgrade my authority, my belief in my authority, and my faith muscle. And I did, and here we are now. And so that's a huge piece there. And then, you know, um you know, you're speaking to God using anything, which he does, there's nothing that the enemy created, number one, he didn't create sex,
00:47:44
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You know, he didn't create the serpent. He didn't create the crystals. Jesus created all that stuff. Right. Now, has he hijacked a bunch of that? Heck yeah. We need to redeem it. Right. I know this one point many years ago, I was in some just I just had some mental just war that was going on. It was just not a not a fun place for about a month or so. And um I was just like, God,
00:48:06
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I'm done. Just don't let me wake up in the morning. Like I was really at that spot. I mean, I was convinced my wife was about to leave me. Like, and we were, we have a pretty, like we have our ups and downs, but we have pretty good marriage. Um, and so, um, I finally went to bed and I was like, Lord, if you don't give me a dream, if you don't speak to me, I don't know what I can do. Cause for a month, I like, I could barely pray. Um, didn't worship, couldn't do any of that stuff. Right. And I had all these, now I know they were lies coming at me, but it was such an, and such just a rapid fire. I was just, you know,
00:48:36
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I was getting exhausted. Yep. I said, Lord, if you don't speak to me, just take me out. Just let me go home tonight. You know, and I went to sleep and I had a dream. It was a very short dream. And in the dream, I was walking out to my mailbox. The mailbox door was open and I went into reach to grab the mail.
00:48:56
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But instead of there being mail in the in the mailbox, the mailbox was full of copperhead snakes. And I withdrew my hand before putting it in and the dream ends. And I wake up and I'm like, oh.
00:49:09
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The messages that are being sent to me are lies. Don't receive the lies, right? And then I gave that to some of my, I shared that in my masterclass and some people were like, yes, and you're full of wisdom. And so be as wise as a serpent and how you receive things too, right? Cause Jesus redeemed it all. That's good.
00:49:30
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Yeah. And so that's just one example. I've got tons of examples on that, but that was super powerful. And I woke up smiling from, like, thank you, Lord, for that dream. Right. How many people like get excited about a snake dream? I do. Yeah. Oh, are you kidding me? Totally. And snake dreams are actually really, really common. Yeah. Yeah, they are. And so you need to understand that Jesus has
Pure Prophetic Nature of Dreams and Encouragement
00:49:50
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redeemed all things. I go through a lot of this in in that redeeming nightmares aspect. But, you know, um when you look in numbers, I believe his number is 21.
00:49:59
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right ah The Lord tells Moses to bronze a serpent and to fashion it to the staff. And when Israel is in the desert, or they get you know hurt, injured, or what have you, they look to the serpent, they will receive healing. right And so if you ever look at a physician staff across the world,
00:50:16
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right It is a staff with a bronze snake on it from Numbers 21, even those who aren't believers have that. right And so snakes have a healing aspect. Jesus even you know be as wise as a serpent, but as and innocent as a dove, so Jesus saw that wisdom too. right But also in John 3, 14,
00:50:35
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right Jesus is speaking and he says he says, just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so shall the son of man be lifted on high before you. And he's redeeming the snake and he's redeeming the staff. And he's also saying, you're not going to have to look at those things anymore for what they did. I'm bringing the fullness of healing to you. I'm redeeming all things. Come on.
00:50:59
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And so if we always see the snake as demonic or lies, you miss you miss the opportunity to speak that redemption into people. That is so beautiful. And you know, snakes, God's used snakes with me a lot in speaking of actually like, um, renewal and shedding of skin and come to parts of my identity. And I mean, he's, I've had dreams too with snakes anymore. It totally is a lie. And God is is showing me and I'm like, amazing. Thank you for naming that for me because I thought I i didn't know what was going on. And like you in the copperheads, like oftentimes it'll name more what I'm experiencing in my waking life that I didn't know was an attack.
00:51:32
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And I'll be like, oh, that's it. Thank you for naming it. But there's so many other interpretations for a snake. We really just have to be tapped into the spirit and go through this lens of redemption, which I just, I wish we had another hour. We do not. If you were to take another 10 minutes, is there anything that you would say you would like to share with these dreamers?
00:51:56
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Yeah, um you know your dreams are the purest form of a prophetic word you'll ever receive. you know um I know I said that earlier, but um I fully believe that. I ask the Lord all the time for dreams. you know I love getting a prophetic word. like You're a powerful you know prophetic voice yourself, and I know a lot of powerful prophets, and I welcome anything they want to say into me, but nothing ever trumps what Daddy says.
00:52:22
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right And so when we start looking at our dreams that way, whether we've dreamt our whole life and have a good basis of understanding the interpretations or you're new to this, um when you understand that God is talking to you and his plans are good and they're plentiful for you, that his thoughts for you outnumber the sand on the seashore, and they're all good. right When you step into that redemption,
00:52:51
Speaker
Man, how much more do your dreams open up? How much more impact can you have throughout society? Because when you become a believer, when you become a follower of Jesus, you are meant for impact, right? That's how that's how his kingdom expands. You know, the expanse of his government and the his peace, there will be no end. And that he does that through us by taking back territory that the enemy has stolen or hijacked, i.e. the nightmares, but also releasing his peace. Man, how do we do that? We do that by tying it back into the You know, it's always up to God's plan of heaven, choosing to see, you know, his thumbprint, his hand and all these dreams and introducing people into that encounter with love. No matter if they've never known him or have been walking with him the their whole life, there's always an upgrade available. We go from one glory to the next glory and it's always up.
00:53:41
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And so when you're seeing your own dreams, understand that God is releasing ah His wisdom there, His ease, His blueprints, His plans, His love to you in that. When somebody else is having a a negative dream or something they perceive as negative, there is still a plan in that from a good, kind, loving, heavenly Father. And and and if we partner with that and release that, you will see the impact shift. I have so many people that come up to me. There's a local coffee shop that I go to and um there's You know, pre believers believers and infant believers there and some of this one young lady she kept coming to me with nightmares and I kept redeeming them. And, you know, I won't say that like she's fully walking with the Lord but she's way closer than she was three years ago.
00:54:26
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And it's a process that we take people through. And if, if our focus, if our goal is to introduce them to love capital L O V E. Right. He cast out all fear. Right. Cause that's what, that's what Jesus does. And so that's my focus. I want to encourage you to allow that to be your focus for when you are dreaming.
00:54:45
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but also when you're hearing interpretations and just if that is your like my my focus with trinity was to introduce her to love and guess what love walk literally physically walked in the room that night and she walked away a brand new creature in christ and so if that's our focus man how much more can the world change their dreams You know, because everybody dreams, everybody, believers, pre-believers, they all dream. And if we can through their dreams, because there's one thing like, you know, we can give a prophetic word. People are like, man, you looked me up on Facebook. No, i don't I don't even know your name, bro. Right. They can still have that little bit of doubt. Right. But when they have a dream, there is no doubt. Yep. They're the ones that received the Intel. So there's a different resonance. Yep. A hundred percent.
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Jake, I keep being impressed by a couple of things while you're talking. You are such a papa. You carry such a papa's heart in this arena. And I just keep seeing Chris Vallatin all over you. I don't know if people have told you that you look like a young Chris Vallatin before, but there's this papa, grandpapa,
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apostolic profit thing ah that I see on you. And when you mentioned earlier, just in in passing that this fall will be seven years since Mama Kathy, was it Mama Kathy? Yeah.
00:56:11
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Yes. Mama Kathy really started to mentor you. I've really felt that was a marker and that you're moving into increase that you have been in this powerful seven year ah time of preparation and rapid growth, but you've seen.
00:56:26
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nothing yet. And I know you're mentoring people. I know you're teaching people. I'm sure you have a lot of people that you're working with, but I feel like the increase is going to be very large and people of all ages. like I see you even bringing in, you know, mentoring people that are older than you and then all the way down to this very new next generation. And it's just There's a Troy Brewer thing happening with you too and I can't like quite put my finger on what that aspect is but I just see you as such a papa and I know the father is just he's given you his heart and you have stewarded it with excellence and with sensitivity and with fierceness and the way that you are a gatekeeper and how you fight
00:57:14
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really to put proper boundaries up in the spirit. wo You are restoring the breach where fathers had left a wide open gap in the church and holy spirit. whoa He's reminding me of a dream I had had where there were distracted fathers and this big door was left open to Jezebel who ended up taking captive the children and was dragging them down the hall into this unknown space where that children of God were deceived and I just see you restoring that breach. I see you as that door, as that papa, as that protective force saying no more. You are restoring the walls and I just feel such gratitude for who you are and what you're doing and how it's impacting me even in ways that I probably don't know and
00:58:03
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the redeeming nightmares but all that you are doing I just am so so grateful and I can't wait to send more and more people your way and I really feel like get prepared for exponential growth I just see like multiplication I don't know what you've been praying into multiplication for if that's people or influence or ministries but I think the seven year mark is really significant, especially since one of the first questions I asked you was, did you have to pay seven years for your wife? I mean, those little patterns pop up and I'm like, okay God, what are you about the seven here? So I just want to leave you with that. And I'm so excited to see what comes next. And I'm so honored actually to, to have this friendship with you. And I feel I have just really been gifted to come under
00:58:51
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even your covering and your wisdom on the podcast, but even in friendship. So I just honor who you are and what you fought for. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, I received all of that. You were a thousand percent on point with so much ah some confirming dreams and like, it just, yeah, the we don't, we'd be here for a couple more hours. Um, but yeah, thank you so much. I've received all that super humbled as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much on that.
00:59:21
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my pleasure. yeah