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Angels: The Gift of Seeing in the Spirit w/ Adam Gahan
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In the third and final episode of our series on the angelic, Adam Gahan shares his journey of seeing in the spirit and interacting with the angelic. He describes his ability to see the spiritual realm, and how it is a gift that is available to everyone. Adam emphasizes the importance of taking steps of faith as the Lord leads, even while we are still learning, and remaining grounded in Scripture when interacting with the angelic and seeing in the spirit. He explains that much of what he sees involves angels confronting demonic forces, particularly in the context of the battles we all face in our minds.
Adam offers practical tips for activating the angelic through prayer, obedience, moments of faith, and more. He also shares how to grow in spiritual sight by using your sanctified imagination and focusing on Jesus. By cultivating a heart of sonship and shifting our attention toward heaven, listeners can increase their ability to perceive the spiritual realm. This episode is packed with wisdom, real-life examples, and powerful revelation of how God has developed this gift in Adam through relationship. Don’t miss this exciting conclusion to our series on the angelic and powerful time of impartation!
*Scripture References: 2 Kings 6:17; Joshua 5:13-15; Ephesians 1:22; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Romans 8:31-39; Revelation 8:1; Ephesians 1:3
“Seeing is an act of faith. When you take a step of faith you eradicate hell.”
“The angelic will stand in a place and be unaffected by the demonic around them, they’re not concerned until we take action. Then they’ll move and get rid of things.”
“Understand that we’re always taking ground. A big part of the warfare is not even warfare, it’s actually just our minds; what we’re seeing, what we’re believing. And the second we come to revelation it’s done.”
“You hang around with your Father enough, and you’ll start to look and act and talk like Him and have vision like Him. You’re not too hasty, you’re just trusting Him that the victory is ours.”
“The greatest warfare stance we can have is to lean back, rest, to be sons and daughters, and to not worry about it.”
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Transcript
Introduction to Divine Wisdom and Spiritual Gifts
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic. We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God. This is breathing underwater.
Series on Angels with Special Guest Adam
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We have made it to the third episode in the series on angels. And really, honestly, this is the best of the three. And I'm not afraid to say that because today my friend Adam is going to grace us with his presence, with his story. He has a very powerful gift of seeing in the spirit. And this is a gift that is available to all of us. You don't have to be special to have this gift. God wants all of us to have this gift, but sometimes There will be someone God chooses who has an extra dose of the gift, if you will, who helps us actually be
Adam's Experiences with Angels
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introduced to that. So today you're going to hear about his interactions with angels, what he sees when he sees in the spirit, what God has taught him about it, as well as praying for us and praying in impartation for all of us to be able to see as well. You are going to be encouraged.
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There is no way around it. I have relistened to this a few times because I've edited it and of course I was there when we first recorded it and I am built up so much hearing from him and hearing what he sees because he is getting the facts behind so much of what we're just sensing. I love it.
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But before we jump into the interview, you know I got to talk to you about the number seven and because today is the seventh episode in the third season. I've talked about seven before in the past. If you have followed the podcast, you know that.
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being pleased. But then in scripture, we will see sevens show up a lot. Seven years, 14 years, 21 years, seven days, seven candles. There's a lot of sevens that show up in scripture. So if you are seeing sevens, you know this is the Holy Spirit marking his work in your life and that there is a divine completion coming to pass in your life.
Adam's Background and Spiritual Journey
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Hi, Adam. Welcome to the show. Hi, everyone. This is my friend, Adam. I wish everyone could see you because you are just, you're just so, such a beautiful person. He's just shining and he's got his backwards hat on and his curls sticking out and his, his beard. He's just, um, yeah, an absolute son of God, definitely. And Adam and I have known each other, um, from a distance. I mean, we've met in person a couple of times, but I would say probably seven or eight years now.
00:03:46
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Is that right? yeah And Adam, I'll let you introduce a little bit of ah who you are, where you live, a little about your family. um But first, I just want to say that this man is ah a son of God. He knows how to be a son. He is such a beautiful reflection of what it means to know the father as the father.
00:04:06
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And he's also a highly prophetic man, the kind that is like, wait, is this just normal for me? Is this prophetic? Like you almost don't realize how prophetic you are because it's so natural, right? Supernaturally natural. um And he is gifted in many, many ways, but there's a particular ah just gift the Lord has given him to use in um comforting and building up the body that we're going to talk about today, which I'm not going to give too much away yet. I'll let him introduce a little more of himself and then we'll jump in. Adam, why don't you tell us a little bit about you?
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um Well, I'm a son.
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um I'm from Canada. We're up in BC, the west coast of Canada, and just in a beautiful area called Chillac. I've been married to my amazing wife for seven years in August.
Learning to be a Son of God
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God completely turned my my life on its head and just revamped everything and in a pursuit of getting out of just a lifestyle of just hurt and pain and like i had a I had a perspective that I was going to live past 22. I thought I was going to die doing something crazy because I just lived for like the rush and and then I lived past that and against all likegainst you know my best efforts, God kept me alive.
00:05:26
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and um And then met an amazing woman. And then we had our our first baby girl 14 months ago. And it's like, oh man, it is like, it's just like living the dream I never realized I had. Like it just like, it totally is absolutely wasn't on my grid. And I'm living this incredible life with my my wife and my daughter. And it's just this gift. And yeah, but life has not been without its challenges. So we're currently working those out.
00:05:55
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and a big part of that is learning to be a son and like when you said that that's a huge thing that's just I've been learning to learn to be uh I heard a quote said someone told me once they said you know um like if you know what it means to be a good son you know what it means to be the father wow so beautiful rock me and I've just been kind of zoning in on that and that is that's how God has been just always speaking to me and talking to me and And it's just been over and over and over again at these amazing moments of like, whoa, you're gonna just give me this gift and I get to just have this. And something like seeing is just like, it's always been there and it's a gift that does provoke jealousy in people. And I'm just like, it's just been this heart. I'm like, man, I just get to just walk in this and have this. And this is something God just given me. It's just a wonderful, but it's all this way that he's brought me closer to him.
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anyway Wow.
Understanding Spiritual Gifts and Faith
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So Adam, you just mentioned that seeing the gift of seeing and this is what I wanted to talk a little bit about today is really seeing in the spirit. And that basically means that you see with your natural eye and your spiritual eye what's going on in the spirit realm as clear as you would what's happening in the natural. um Is there any way you would describe it differently?
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Um, yeah, it's, um, at times it's, it's not, it's not as, isn't it won't be as clear as like the natural it's, um, at times it's, it's much more like, uh, it's almost like I saw this, I think Apple came over this recent product where you put this like VR headset, but you can see through it, but then it'll project, um, options, like your apps that you can watch a video, but you can still see around the room, but there's a movie plan. And that's like, I was like, I'm like, Oh my goodness. That is like, that's it.
00:07:40
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that's that That's how it kind of works for me. and But sometimes it's as clear as day. like it you know And then other times it it it's it's more of a discernment of not knowing what I'm seeing. And and and and there's times I've not seen anything. like There's times I'm just sitting there and people are like, oh, what are you seeing? I'm like, oh, nothing right now. not i'm just I wasn't paying attention. So it's always this thing of, OK, although what's going on? and So yeah. Um, would you say that it's activated when you start to pay attention? Like when you start to focus? Yeah. Yeah. And that was actually, that was a, um, um, I did that once and and I noticed a pattern as soon as I would focus and pay, they kind of just started looking, uh, in the spirit, something would happen. Like i yeah an angel stomping through and kicking a demon out and like,
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you know, I'd see angels doing something or suddenly the demonic is scared or or like a lot of times it's mostly just angels is doing something. And I was like, like, Lord, is this my imagination? And you have this doubt and it's like, why does it always happen as soon as I look? And, wow and, and well, one is, well, you're looking into a ah realm without time and to like seen as a, as an act of faith. And when you take a step of faith, it you eradicate hell, you, you know, you, you give permission to,
00:09:04
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Like, ah when, when, um when Elijah, his servant comes running and terrified because camera who was a king, like the king sent a massive army to come to get Elijah.
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and and then Elijah says in his series like don't you know that those who are for us are far more than those who are against us and he's like Lord open his eyes yeah eyes and he sees an army but that then leads into a massive defeat of that army and so it's like you know Jacob he sees an angel and he our son of Joshua sees an angel he runs down to see the angel and then that leads to like you force you against and it says no he says no you know and he tells her what's happening. And then Joshua steps into the the call of the Lord and how they're going to step into warfare in the promised land. And and Jericho, and Jericho. Yeah. And so that there was a victory preceded that. And so it was, it's actually, I never, I, this is something that's come about to light recently, but, um, but that's just the elements. Like, you know, a lot of times we operate in these giftings. We have no idea how they actually work at the depth at which they're rooted.
00:10:14
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in truth, but then we have these, we along the journey, you will have these moments where you'll you hear a scripture or someone will say something that will lead you to a scripture or someone that was said or a story. And it brings about like this this greater rooting in depth and depth in what you've already been walking in in faith.
Insights into Spiritual Warfare
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And that's been a big part of my journey. And so it's been a lot of times where we wanna,
00:10:44
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Like we want to, I want to just know, well, this is like, so like seeing stuff sometimes experience the things that are just like, where is this scripture? work Like, and he's completely silent on the fact and.
00:10:57
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like Okay, well, I know I'm you know you kind of am like I'm just gonna take a step of faith and you i take a step of faith and then all of a sudden we're um living in this whatever walking in this this area or walking this new truth or making decisions based on this thing, this thing that I said Scott point me the direction he pointed me and doing that for you know a couple days, couple weeks to months or and sometimes.
00:11:20
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about maybe a year or so, it's probably the longest, then all of a sudden a word comes along that God's totally kind of blinded me from in Scripture. My buddies are like, oh, that's like this, this, this in Scripture when it says this, this, this.
00:11:34
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And I was like, that's it. That's it. Exactly. Wow. So it will actually validate what you've been experiencing this whole time, but he doesn't give it to you right away. So you have to operate in faith with this and trust him until that confirmation comes. And then it takes you deeper into that revelation, understanding of what you're actually experiencing already. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So it's like, it's a funny, it's a funny way that God's operated. And I don't know why i'm I'm kind of on this right now, but I love it. I think a lot of times it's just we we want we want to know it in scripture so much all the time and that's great it's diligent but there there's there's a there's a you know there's we have to operate in faith sometimes and we have to take a step we don't always have all the information but we just have to go for it. I mean like and the fact is is like you know you may see that God is conquering something and then you get led in such a way to like okay well I'm going to take a step here and here
00:12:33
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because i i just feel I just feel like I got to do this. Or something, you just get a nudging or a pushing, you go after it. But there's like, you know, we got to remember that God's reconciled the cosmos to himself. Everything's in Christ. Everything's in Christ. And we're so quick to demonize everything. And it's like, that's just not the case. Like everything's in Christ has been reconciled. And we're, it's like, we've not yet seen everything being put under our feet, but we're in the process of seeing everything get put under our feet. and So that's actually a very practical verse of like,
00:13:06
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we're literally seeing things get put under our feet when we look in the spirit when we're equipped in the spirit to see we're literally witnessing because god's a lot of times he's just waiting on a witness right he doesn't do anything without a witness right god always wants a witness and so um it's just he loves love he loves and i think it's like yeah it's like there's you can get into the legalities of it all but he's a family man he's like why don't you go fishing but i don't want to go fishing without my son like let's go fishing together you know what i mean like um like god's character but yet it's it's playful it's fun but then it's like
00:13:38
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seriously legal and and like documented for like taking on the kingdom of hell and destroying the works of the devil and and yet it's this playful thing with his children and it's just like it's just this crazy mixture and beautiful way of this dynamic God that we walk with and and yet when we sometimes step into somebody as simple as seeing we're like oh wow there's we're witnessing hell get the snot kicked out of it. And that's a lot of time what we're doing, right? and And that's one thing that I've also seen, I've also seen times when there, and it's funny, I haven't seen this a lot, but the only times that I have witnessed angels fighting demons is when there's a, literally in a wrestle match, like a fighting match is yeah when there's been over the mines are, the mines aren't settled.
00:14:29
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Wow.
Spiritual Inheritance and Battles
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That's the only time I've seen when people are tormented in their mind. That's when the warfare I've seen I've actually seen angels fighting with demons. And the funny thing is of this, the one place you'd kind of see this is I noticed this was actually over school, over a high school. And a first time I and noticed that and then it kind of is just like, Lord, what's going on here? Like,
00:14:53
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I'm looking into the realm of which we have victory, what's happening, but he was showing me that like there's the victory as it's not been settled in in the minds of mind the minds and hearts of of his children in this place. or you know You know what I'm saying? I do. Sometimes that's where we're actually seeing a lot of warfare. is like We haven't settled something in our head. yeah Wow, the mindsets. The mindsets, yeah.
00:15:17
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so it's like you know you're you're you're coming up against stuff and I think I think we think a lot of times warfare is like oh man the devil's getting he's like no we're advancing we're told in the scripture we're going from glory to glory room you know we're more than conquerors we're always advancing and unfortunately some of us are advancing when maybe necessarily We have a poo-poo attitude and we don't necessarily want a chance. and But God's dragging us along and we're going to be all under attack. He's like, you're kicking the snot out of hell is actually what you're doing. Just get to the clouds and see what's actually happening. Oh my goodness. Can I ask you about this? i want I want to ask about this. So what I'm hearing you say is that a lot of what you've seen in the spirit with the angelic has really mostly been angels dealing with demons.
00:16:01
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Not even necessarily the demonic realm having a bunch of power and authority. You're seeing the angelic come in and do what they do, which is take care of stuff. yeah But you find that people, and I would say it would be easy to do this, who maybe be aren't able to see as clearly in the spirit of what's happening, don't understand that that's what's actually going on. We're actually feeling like we're in this battle. We're not winning.
00:16:28
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Oh, this is so hard. The devil's so much bigger than me, et cetera, whatever. But you've actually seen with your eyes like, no, that's, that's not what's happening. Am I understanding that right? Can you give an example of even just one time what you've seen for the purpose of really letting others see. Yeah.
00:16:48
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this is This is raising faith and yeah re reconnecting us to the truth of who God is. so Can you think of a time where you actually saw that openly? my My mom lived in an area that she had, my dad had passed away and then my mom went through the like the grieving process and And then we we found her a place out in Chilliwack. So that's actually where we're living now, out in Chilliwack. My mom's about, she lives about 50 minutes away from us by a lake called Cultus Lake. We used to come there all the time as a kid. And I used to camp there. And and I just like, and it was like, we couldn't have bad movies in the house when I was a kid. Like we could have had a horror movie that no one watched and would I would have nightmares that night. My dad would go, grab oh, and go pray over the movie, go put it out in a truck. and
00:17:37
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And so I was very sensitive to all that stuff. So it was all it was very it was it was one like I almost would leave it was like 99% demonic torment was the loudest thing in my life my younger years. Cultist like represented my younger years or represent where we went to camp and escape.
00:17:55
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um There was no houses really around there is a very, very, very like you, it was kind of out in the sticks now development of of the of the lower mainland where we live is kind of is kind of spread out to that area. So now it's quite a popular area. There's developments there and that's my mom moved. Well, we pulled into this place called the cottages. and we come and I was like, whoa, this is this is crazy. And my mom moves there. And then the whole expert tells me, he goes, this is your this is your dad's inheritance. Because this is the area that I went through my dad battled. And my dad had a he had a man and an anointing of removing the stronghold ah strong men over the areas.
Role of Angels in Spiritual Battles
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wow So I would like to go drive up ah drive drive around there. And then me me and my wife, Josephine, were looking for a place to have our wedding before we were married. and
00:18:44
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We go driving up around there and we we see this kind of sign for a campsite. They're like, oh, that's never this a private campsite. Someone's backyard, they just turned to a campsite. We pull onto the pull onto the property. And I hear, I haven't seen you in a while, child of light. And as soon as we pulled on, I could feel this thick evil.
00:19:07
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and and And I know, and as soon as I feel that I'm like, who is hanging out here, like for a while. And i like agree that we're going to tour with the devil for a while. So I just kind of keep driving around and and and my wife, who doesn't necessarily sense this stuff as much. She's like, does this place feel like kind of.
00:19:27
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dark or creepy I'm like, Oh, yeah, yeah, thats so it's a doozy this place. And like, to a point of like, I don't know what something very bad was done on that that land to to have this level of manifestation. So a couple weeks later, God tells me, I want you to go to the family gathering early. and I want you to go back to that campsite and just pray over it. And I was like, Okay, great. And um we I do that again on the property. And I, I
00:19:58
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get onto the land and a lot of this is there's a lot of all the senses are happening this moment and I get onto the property I can see this demon he's just hiding like he's massive. He's the size of a mountain. He's over this, this area. And this is what I was, was, was told in the spirit is that like, my, my dad had taken this demon head, head, whatever had happened to have authority over the region. My dad had removed him and he had retreated back to, I guess the anchor point, whatever that was, he'd lost his authority over the region, but he still had, he was still anchored in this one spot. So, um, it's really cool that I'm finishing my dad's work. I,
00:20:40
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I have this thing where my soul is going to shoot me to touch the ground and sometimes I'll drive and I'll just stop and put me foot in my ground. So I'll stop, open the door, on my phone i got close the door and keep going. And so I was like, well, I'm just going to go for a walk then. Well, I pull onto the property and I hear the Holy Spirit speak to me like, that's it. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, I'd like to just kind of just do my due diligence if that's okay. Like I'm just going to get on a walk. So I get out and there's this wide open field up top. Like I walked the field and, um,
00:21:10
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As I'm walking the field, I can feel its weight of this thing. Like it is, it's the size of a mountain. It's the weight of a mountain. I can feel this. And we walk around and then all of a sudden I like, I just see it go from like heavy to literally weightless. It gets like almost like it's bound up in like it looks like a bubble. He just gets bound up in a bubble and he just literally floats away. Wow. And um that all happened by me just taking a walk with my father and um and that was like a moment of just like i just were feeling the anointing of just relationship and and walking in our calling and walking in what we have been destined to do with our lives and the angel will very much stand in a place and just be unaffected by the demonic that's by them what i've seen they're not concerned
00:22:03
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Um, until we take action and then they'll move and like getting rid of this thing. But can I ask you, this is so, this is so important. You'll see them be established and unaffected really by what's happening demonically around, but then once we take action. So I think I know what that means, but like in the case that you just spoke on, all you had to do was step out and walk. And that was you taking action. And then the angel stepped into gear.
00:22:28
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Um, but also what else could that look like? Does it look like releasing the prophetic word that God gave you scripture? What what else would that look like? Uh, look like, uh, really, I mean, I, I, I, I beat this drum a lot. It looks like obedience. A lot of the times it could be something as simple as like, you gotta to go clean your mom's house, like just go there and clean it elsewhere. It could be someone as simple as that, right? Or it could just be praying regularly for them every time you you know, you're there. and um Or it could be, you know, moments of just faith when you're there and you just praying over the place. But but understand that we're always taking ground, right?
00:23:04
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And a big part of the warfare is actually not even warfare. It's actually just our minds. It's what we're seeing and what we're believing in. And the second we come to Revelation, it's like done. like i We had one experience where I was visiting visiting someone while we were on this road trip and and she was going through a big deal with some stuff from from her past and going through a very hard time because it was a lot of trauma as a surface.
00:23:33
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She was very spiritually aware of things. um And people wouldn't even call her New Age, like that little thing, right? and and And so we're there. And and God wants to help. We're all His children. And so we're there. And we're talking. And I'm just looking at her. And I'm looking in the spirit around this area. And then all of a sudden, I'm just looking in the spirit. And I'm not. I'm just, we're seeing we're actually having breakfast. and um And I can see these three angels show up behind her, and then and I'm looking at her, and then I see i see her flop, and they're out they all hold her up. like She's flop like this, and she had something, and they take this thing off her mouth, and they're holding literally holding her up, because she's literally feeling this way. like She's feeling i just cooked.
00:24:22
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And this thing comes up and then I just see this, something moves so fast. Like it was like a scared cat, or a scared chick. And it's gone. I'm thinking as a woman, did she just get delivered? And then all of a sudden like this angel's face come through with these, she had rainbows around her and like this beautiful, she literally comes to and looks at me and smiles and she's like,
00:24:47
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Thank you. yes i'm just witness I'm just sitting there witnessing this happen. And then, and then she looks at me, she reads like, I'm like, we're just sitting there. We're not, I'm not, we're not entering into warfare. We're not, we're just like, we're just there.
Recognizing and Understanding Angels
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And she just reaches across her hands like, Adam, what's happening? And she feels
00:25:09
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She's like, like, this is someone who's not like this is not, you know, this is not church, you know, this is just um life with someone who shut off to this kind of stuff and, and and she's totally getting delivered and I'm like, you're, you're good. You're like, don't worry. I just saw everything that went down and you're good. Yeah. When you said that the there was an angel that was covered in rainbows and that was the, and that was the being that came close to you and said, thank you. Right. yeah Was your sense that the thank you is because you were there to actually just to witness and be a part of what they were doing. But it sounded like they were kind of on their own accord going about their business.
00:25:48
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Yeah. It wasn't like you did something to activate it. They were on assignment to go do that. Yeah. Yeah. um And in these built and that's that's the question of the Key Lord. what is like is this like what i Am I just happy to be here in this moment in time? is this like you know And I think in some cases, yes. um I've had moments like that where there's a moment in time I show up to something, something very special is going on at church.
00:26:13
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And so there's a big event of like angels are there for that event. This moment is like moments later they happen. I can't explain it exactly the you know, there's no time in heaven. Not the time, not the same movie, no time here. I mean, Revelation just talks about half an hour passes in heaven, there's a half an hour of silence, maybe there's a half an hour, or 30 minutes or something like that. And, but I think there's a moment of saying, okay, well, there's no time, but then there is time, and so it's like, well, time is maybe just something we can play with, and we're not something to it, right? But then there's like, there's this idea of like, of,
00:26:48
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I've come to believe this. i like If there is a clock in heaven, it's based on revelation. So like as we grow in revelation, it's that that's, I feel like that's kind of a thing that, that heaven advances in because its I see like once the revelation is received, things start moving forward. That actually makes so much sense. I feel like I have absolutely experienced that and I have experienced and sensed so much in the spirit over my own life and other people as well, that there, that there is a battle over people receiving revelation and actually, you know, trying to hinder that clarity from coming.
00:27:24
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um I have so many more questions and I'm looking at the time I'm like, Lord, we might have to do a part two. But I'd love to ask two more questions if you don't mind. um One is because we're in this series about angels and talking about who they are and what they do, we've kind of established a little bit of that already. um But also how to recognize them in dreams because you are familiar with what angels look like.
00:27:52
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Um, and maybe they look differently in your dreams. I'd love to know if that's true. But even before that, can you give us an idea of, you know, some people are like, it was, the this angel was huge. It was so big and it, you know, looked angry and et cetera. And then other people I hear talk about like, Oh, it was like a ah a bunny, but I knew it was an angel. You know, like it they look so different potentially based on the eye of the beholder. I don't know. But what's your experience with that and how can you give us a description of a consistent see that you've seen in how angels manifest? Do you see them according to their purpose and kind of what they're doing, what their name is, what usually they're named something along the lines of their their function, right? tell Tell me anything you know about that.
00:28:42
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Um, so yeah, that, that, that area is like, they're very unique in their, in their individuality. Like they're, they're all very unique. Um, um, and, uh, even the ones that come and they look all the same, like they got white robes and they got their wings and the very traditional perspective we have of angels. It even seem each one of them, they're all like. like They're all very different personalities, but they're like their function is and i I've said this once before is like um the one thing became very clear to me and that the the just the gravity on which they carry their call.
00:29:19
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It's like their name and their duty are interchangeable. Like that's just how what I've noticed with them is like, you can, you know, one, what you can call them, you know, you can call one, you know, whatever. Michael, you call him breaker. Like he's here to break his, like that, like he's breaker. Like it's like these names come and in, in, in, they're, they're, they're kind of like that. um and I would say so much so that they, they're, that's their posture, their heart, like their call, their duty in their mission is as, is as serious and as,
00:29:50
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as their name is And I think that very seriously. Have you seen them be serious, even where you're like, are you mad? I can't quite tell. Or you can just tell it's a reverence for their assignment. Yeah. Um, there's a, there's a, there's a reverence for their assignment, but they're, they're very, they're like, like they're, they're, well, they're, they're great. They're great carriers of God's glory. You know, like they, they manifest his glory in a wonderful way. And so you see this seriousness, but there's always almost a twinkle of of joy there is for the most part, for some of them, some of them there's not someone is like, yo, you're fully terrified. And that's your child destroy hell and the words of the enemy. And that's your call. Like that's what you do. And then, um, but then there's other ones like, like one of the things that I've, I've, like I've learned is like my, for example, the, the two angels I have most, uh, I don't know, just the most interaction with is, uh, one I call Alfa Romeo. Um, and he's a, um,
00:30:48
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which means the name is from like, oh, that's a card name, but it's like, oh, this means from Rome. there There's more to that. I mean, i and then the other one I call them, I call them communion, and and there's been a massive amount of ah growth and intimacy in the communion with the Lord and he's got, he's blue, he's got, you know, and he's, but he's a little bit shorter than, than Alpha male. Alpha male is huge. He's a big tall angel. I have to be like, all these angels are taller, nine feet tall. And I'm like, Oh, that's a short angel compared to what I'm normally used to seeing is like, but yet I've seen very small angels. And the one thing, I mean, the one thing I'm not saying this is how it is at all, but the one consistent consistency
00:31:31
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in the serving of us. You know what I mean? It's so funny how we have these movies with elves and Santa Claus and the elves. These little elves that can do all this incredible work. It's like, man, that's kind of like the kingdom of heaven sometimes. And I've seen these angels hanging around where their duty is just ministry. It's just love. It's just to serve and bless us.
00:32:02
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And their family, like they're like, I call it family or the word of God calls them the sons of God, right? It references them as the sons of God. So there's this there's absolutely this sense of sonship that they do they do have with God. There's an element of that. and yeah But their family, like this they're it's the most this is the most normal thing we can do. This is so normal to have this interaction with individuals and to walk with them and partner with them. And it's like, I think a lot of people maybe have this idea of straining to see something, but it's like, well, no, it's just, it's right here. Like this is family. God, this is how he operates. He's a family man. He doesn't like to ever do things. Like he never wants us, his children to be isolated and alone. He wants us to be together. He wants us to be, um,
00:32:52
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in community and whether we, whether we try to abandon our abandoned community and isolate and run away, like we're never actually alone. I haven't, I've never seen, I've even seen, I haven't even seen demonized people that, you know, they need, they just need deliverance and their angels still there, their angels still there. And and sometimes very ill-equipped because they've been pushed out so much and there hasn't been, so they literally just, and so
Growing in Spiritual Sight and Worship
00:33:19
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yeah. um So they're,
00:33:22
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They're incredibly um dynamic, but um they're also unbelievably human, if I can use that as a descriptive term. So helpful. You just mentioned something that I think ties into another question I had, and then I have one more, I promise. um You mentioned, like, some people think of straining, you know, to see, and and one of my questions was going to be for those of us and listening or who are wanting to grow in the ability to see in the spirit, because I absolutely believe it's a gift that we can all have.
00:33:57
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I think God equips us with maybe measures and graces that are different because of our calls, et cetera. But I think that it's accessible to all of us to be able to see in the spirit. And I completely agree with you that it's accessed by faith, right? Would you say, what would your advice be to someone who's like, I really would like to see more in the spirit. I don't know how, I'm a little afraid. What would you advice would you give them?
00:34:21
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um start with your imagination just uh start with your imagination being sanctified like just making making sure you're you're keeping your mind sanctified and and and not thinking negatively not being on social media and following stuff that doesn't bring life you know like just because your imagination is a big part of this it's like god like he's again god is reconciled the cosmos are we have been reconciled to him we are like everything has been covered in his blood in a sense you know like um and we we We step into that place, and that's a place of covenant. We step into covenant. We start walking in covenant. So like we have every spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus. right i mean I think it's its Ephesians that Paul opens up with that. like We have every spiritual blessing. So i to to kind of encourage people in this, is like i this is this is profoundly simple.
00:35:19
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um And it's for it's for everyone. I really do believe that. and And one thing that I have noticed is, and I don't know if this is just because it might just been my experience, but I have noticed numbers of people that I've encountered and walked with and prayed with about this area have actually their eyes and began to to open. And so um I think a lot of times it's a kind of share for me. I never realized I was a CEO. I'd see the demonic all the time growing up.
00:35:49
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I never realized I was a seer until my buddy actually told me a while ago, he was like, dude, I think you're a seer. I'm like, what's this what's that? He's like, oh, it's like it's ah it's like someone who sees the spirit realm and all kind of stuff. and And so he recommended me to read a couple of books. And so I went and got the books and and God actually never let me read them. He didn't want me to read them. And so, which I wrestled with that. I'm like, why not? This is a good, but it was all about sonship. It was all about, because for me, I would have walked according to the parameters I would have gotten out of those books rather than walking in relationship relationship and walking in a sanctified you know imagination because of Christ and and being in that place. So I just would encourage people, and for me, one thing I would say is um reflecting back in my life, I never thought I had any
00:36:38
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I never thought I saw any angels, but then I reflected back and I realized in my memory, I had remembered situations, but I remembered it from a bird's eye view and a massive angel standing over us. And, you know, you hang around with your father long enough, you start to look and act like him and talk like him and have vision like him. And you're not too hasty. You're not too, you know, you're just trusting him. And like the victory is ours. So even in areas where there is seriously demonic torment,
00:37:07
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Um, just trusting him with that, like not torment more of, well, there is torment, but there's ah also like authority there for some reason. And trusting him with that, like, what are we doing here? Or are we, and he just thought, don't worry about it. Like we're, like, we're just, just, just do your thing. Like, you know, and like, all right, we're just going to do a thing and ignore that.
00:37:25
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And quite frankly, like that is that that will drive hell crazy. That you're just gonna show up and you're like, well, aren't they feeling this? Aren't they reacting? Aren't they gonna start warring and praying it, right? It was just like, well, we're just gonna do what we're gonna do. We're gonna have fun. I mean, I've literally slept for a long time and we were in this one campsite and I saw this demon show up there and then our angel was there and the demon showed up like he kind of showed up next to our the the angel that was there was that over a campsite.
00:37:52
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Like not even, if it wasn't not even phase one, this demon kind of coming up and troll. And like, this angel's just like. like and And so we we go up and we, and we're, and we're floating down this river and it was something I was like introducing Chris to. I grew up doing this, like, dude, you gotta go up the river and then you jump and you just let the river take you down. And he's like, bro, we do it. And I'm like, it's fine. We had employees and stuff. So we're going down giggling like little kids and we're having, so and I literally saw this and what happened. We were camping and then this group came and they just had so much baggage with them.
00:38:28
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like demonic stuff. just stuff or was this like and And all of a sudden, it just was broken off. We're just laughing. We're having fun. we're we're like we're just We're not getting distracted by the demonic. We're just having fun. Man, this is powerful.
00:38:46
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Um, little boys being sons, be little sons and man and got patient and go ripping down this river. and This is so the Lord. I just had, so I'm hearing you say like, really the greatest warfare and stance we can have is to, you to lean back and rest and be sons and daughters and to not worry about it.
00:39:05
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Where, you know, so many of us grew up being taught, like, pick up your sword and go after the enemy. enemy And you know, I don't know. Maybe there are times that God calls us to do that. But for the most part, just knowing who we are, knowing who he is, leaning back, that kind of rest posture.
00:39:22
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Similarly to seeing in the spirit, like as you kind of just lean back and don't make it something you strain into, it becomes more natural. At what point, oh gosh, we'll have to answer this one quickly because I have one more that's just burning in me. But at what point did you notice that you didn't see only the demonic and you started to see the angelic? Did that switch upon like an encounter with God? What did that look like for you?
00:39:48
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So I was listening to James Gall and he was on, I can't remember what the talk show was, but he said, I learned the discipline. I've seen the angelic. And, and that, that's what shifted for me is like, Oh my gosh, I'm so focused on the demonic all. And to the point where I did all the prayers, prayed all the prayers, did all the things and did the deliverance thing, did the, ah we had a single freedom session with this 12 step in-depth counseling thing you do with the Holy Spirit. I did it for four years, all this work.
00:40:18
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So much work, work, work, work, work to get, and then I'm going, I'm still having demonic torment. I would have guys over and have an amazing encounter with God and I had so much prayer. They would leave and then the demons would come into my house and like, I'm like, what in the heck Lord? Serious. And then.
00:40:36
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And then I ended up having this, ah and this is all kind of unfolded right around the same time. I had this met these people, we went to a Susan now, the original Susan now. And there was this, ah this moment where we encounter these people, they ended up, we ended up touching base. I ended up touching base in the months later about this. I'm like, I've been dealing with this whole thing. And then she shared her testimony. I've heard this hasn't been so much because I used to rebuke all these demons. I know as the demons start showing up in our house. And she's like, and she said, it didn't change until I started focusing on Jesus.
00:41:06
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and And then that was written, and I'm like, that's the James God, like that was a quote, like, yes, okay, so when that started, whenever I noticed that, i would it would just spiral me off into worship and praise, I'm like, God, where's heaven, where are the ages, what are you doing? And then that was, so that just became, that's it, like that that was ah the moment I started focusing on,
00:41:27
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the angelic, and then all of a sudden the crispiness on how I saw it got sharp. So this is so good. Yeah, that was the process for me. um And, and then yeah, it was like all of us I'm like just starting to see and then armies of angels are showing to my house.
00:41:44
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And I'm like, oh, you know? and But then just God, like, hey, give this a shot. yeah yeah And then I'm like, so I'm like kind of trying to talk to them and I'm seeing God like a proud father looking at me and like, looking at the like look at this guy, dude, he knows it's up. Like, I'm just like trying to just, trying it, right? and and and And then that's kind of how that unfolded. So it was ah focusing on the angelic, what's God doing at this time?
Conclusion and Prayer for Spiritual Growth
00:42:08
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Come on. Honestly, say there's a lot of people that use, well, God, what are you doing in this space? and I think a lot of it is just relationship and trusting our imaginations and trusting our imaginations in God's hands.
00:42:23
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Here's my final question and then I'm gonna have you pray over us if that's okay because I certainly want an impartation and I'm sure the listeners do too and listen too bad if you don't listeners you're gonna get one. um So my question would be I teach a lot on angels and dreams and how angels show up a lot of times in dreams they just look like normal people or it might look like a celebrity or it might look like you know it's not necessarily um a messenger angel surrounded in light saying, don't be afraid that can absolutely happen. But oftentimes that's not how it happens. So I teach people to, Hey, look up the name of the person or what were they doing? Kind of what was their function in the dream? Cause God is probably talking to you about an angel. He has doing that and in your life right now. How do they show up in your dreams? Do they look similar when you see them with your eye or are they different? As you're, as you're like, your shit you're sharing that as I've been thinking about that when yeah
00:43:19
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it's like, oh, that's clearly an angel. But there's moments when I'm interacting with people in my dreams. And I and that's when it's like, oh, that so that that to me, I think it's like, that's one more of more of those hidden things for me. And um that's what i'm I'm like, currently been growing in this is your course in and paying more attention to the dreams and I think there was one time, i there was comes a mind where Sean Bowles was in my dream and I think it was actually just like an angel like manifesting as as him in this particular moment. yep um But that was that took discernment for me to like in the dream I'm just getting help and carrying on so um for me it would be more of like moments of discernment and
00:44:00
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i I think in one dream there was like there's times when there's certain things guiding me and certain things that are like like there's a sense of like protection in the sense of God's presence and so but like discerning and like um like breaking down the dream and and um interpreting the dream later it's like oh that's I think that was an angel that was an angel yes Firstly, thank you so much for bringing and so vulnerably just your experiences and teaching us. I think you released so much even just through giving those examples and teaching you teaching us the revelation God has given you in a very experiential way. would you Let's close with you praying for us just that we would yeah have a fresh experience with the spirit realm and the eyes would be opened and however you feel godly.
00:44:52
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Okay. Yeah, Marissa, I just want to say thanks for having me on here. It was an honor to, yeah, honor to just, yeah. Such a pleasure. Father, I thank you in Jesus' name for just how rich, how rich, how rich the blessings are and how rich the eat resources are.
00:45:18
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how rich the resources are of kings and queens, God, and you have made us kings and queens. God, you have made us priestly kings, Lord. And I thank you for that. So we have this place with you, Lord, and I just release just relationship. Got people to step in, to just get past all the rules, get past all these boundaries you put up, God, in stepping, taught by your spirit. You say in your word, Lord, that they will no longer say let's you know let's let's go to this man of God or it won't be about God but God your spirit will teach us your spirit will teach us Lord it will unify us it will bring us together to breathe into each other's lives and encourage you to each other along I thank you Lord for just the gifts you the many many gifts that you have given us and I just thank you god
00:46:11
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this is something that every one of your children unfold this in their they They unpack this in their own life. So Holy Spirit, we just thank you. He's the great helper to go and just aid every one of the people that are listening to this. They hear this God. I just see it like little children like, God, can I have that? Can we do that together? And I just sense this, this like, I mean, I just think of like my daughter saying that to me and it just melts my heart. Guys, you are a good, good father.
00:46:45
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lu
00:46:47
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God, this release, God, I just release you. I just release you just to do what you want to do, God. Just go Jesus, Jesus, go. God, it's yours to do anyway, but I just, God is.
00:47:08
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Thank you, Jesus. Go Jesus, go. Amen. Thank you so, so much. Even just the impartation of sonship that we have all received just hearing from you today. And um I don't think this will be the last time. So I'll talk to you soon. Love you. Love you. Thank you so much for this.