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Its All A Distraction, Its All A Distraction, Its All A Distraction
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Its All a Distraction
S3E17
In this episode we enter into another clip from last month’s Membership call which includes candid conversation about navigating years of feeling far from God, how to hold on to the truth when circumstances are confusing and backwards, renewing our minds in the face of challenging experiences. We will also learn about what Mall’s mean in dreams and the importance of writing down even one symbol that you remember from a dream when you’ve lost the rest.
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Desire for Divine Wisdom
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic. We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God.
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This is Breathing Underwater.
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Hello, hello, underwater breathers. Welcome back. This is Margo. We are in our second of three little series where I actually took some snippets or some little cuts from a membership call that I had last month.
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There was a conversation that that just felt ah especially relevant, which we're going to hear a little of today, as well as some group
Interpreting Dreams and Faith
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interpretations. Last week, we did a group interpretation of Anna's dream.
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Next week, we're going to do a greet a group interpretation of Adam's dream. And Anna and Adam, look at those A's. I love it when that happens. Okay. But today we're going to share a little bit of a part of Kat's dream and the conversation that ensues, which I think will resonate with many of you.
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Really just talking through real life, walking with Jesus, with Trying to stay in a posture of faith when we have experiences that seem to be contradictory to what he said.
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Or how do we continue to hold on to promises when nothing looks like it's going that direction? How do we stay in connection to God when we don't feel him? I just thought this was...
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So relevant for so many of us and wanted to share it with you. So I look forward to hearing from you in emails, how God used this to speak to you. If you're experiencing anything similar, please feel free to reach out.
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I'm going to give you just a little context because at the beginning, we jump right into a symbol that Kat had been seeing in her nighttime. So she hadn't been having a lot of clear dreams. There were really just little pieces, little snippets that she would end up thinking, I don't think I even need to necessarily write that down because it wasn't a full dream.
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And this is something we were talking about on this call is I was just reminding people, hey, write down whatever you can remember. Even if it's just a little piece that will often jog our memory. And even if it doesn't, sometimes the little piece is exactly what we needed.
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I have definitely experienced that. So here we go. We're jumping in.
Recurring Dreams and Their Meanings
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Episode 17.
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In those types of dreams, which, yeah, honestly, I didn't write them down. Maybe I should have. But it's like sometimes I don't fully remember them when I wake up, though. um i do know I've found myself in malls a number of times lately. Like, yeah, maybe like at least two or three for times for sure. And I remember, though, and it's always like this mall that I – I worked in in high school and I'm not necessarily like working there again, but it's just like, I'm in the mall, like, and like something's or it's another mall of some sort.
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So that's simple. I think i've I've been wondering about that. Okay. Let's talk about that. And I want to say something just real quick. and This is something that I really believe in, even if in those moments where you're just getting flashes and you wake up and you don't remember the dream,
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Oftentimes you'll remember one tiny little thing, kind of like I just gave the example of like, I remember that baby's name when I woke up, right? But I can't tell you the rest the rest of it that happened. But that is all I needed in that moment for the Lord to speak to me.
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So I have found that often if you don't remember the whole thing, what you do remember is intentional. Or sometimes how you don't remember anything and then halfway through the day, something reminds you you're like, oh my God, dreamt about that thing night. When that happens, or just even write that thing down.
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because that will be even a part of stewarding even the pieces holy spirit is so kind and he'll remind us what he's said to us the stuff the stuff that matters and that way we'll start to see patterns too okay so malls who malls what's the name of the mall that you grew up at going to yeah it's called willow bend Willow Bend.
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Okay. this hearing I definitely have heard malls interpreted as the church before. Heather's nodding. Oh, I feel the Lord. Yeah. Okay.
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I, yeah, I also heard it. Um, as the church too but I wonder because you said it was the same mall from the time that you um in high school and I wonder if I had anything to do with what was happening at that time or church like did you go to church at that point in high school no I kind of stopped going to church in high school um for a time yeah because I was doing like athletics and um
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Sunday was like the only day of the week I didn't have something. So my dad would like try to get me to go to church, but I was just like, no. And so he wouldn't make me, which I'm now grateful for that he didn't make me, but. I still am thinking about like the fact that she was in a high school.
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or Yeah. High school. And I just wonder if somehow that ties into like the season, like maybe there's like an overlap or, um, I mean, i think it's, it's significant that you said that your dad didn't make you go to church.
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a during that time. And I don't know, it sounds like it's like a time of like, just a lot of intensity. And there was something about rest, maybe. that, um,
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But like even just the character of God, like not to make us do all this stuff, you know, my none the but yeah, i just, very good there might be some more to unpack about that, like that time of your life and then mirroring this time. That's good.
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Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Cause that like high school, i went through like a really hard time for sure. like struggled with depression and stuff and then I don't currently struggle with depression but I am currently going through challenging time so yeah yeah I can see that mirroring thanks Heather
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And you remember, I mean, the Lord, he, one of the things I love about him and that I can forget is that he's always talking about the deeper stuff, right?
Deeper Messages from God
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He's in scripture when he gives an example of something like it's usually a much deeper than it seems at face value. And he's, he sees the heart.
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So even when he's like, you know, you've heard do not murder, but I'm saying, even if you're angry, Do not commit adultery. But I'm saying even if you lust after women, because he's he's not necessarily going after the actions. He's going after what's in the heart and reveals that. That's how he sees. That's what he sees. And that's what he's revealing about.
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So I wonder if there there is, just like Heather is saying, just some of that. heart even atmosphere from high school if if some of that is similar right now that some of that same heart stuff is coming up some of the same things you were wrestling through or some of the same experiences or things your heart was processing yeah i can already yeah i can i can see a similarity i don't know if you want me to share it's like and it'll take like five seconds and we can move on sure absolutely
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I think cause in high school, I didn't really understand. Oh, I think so. Um, I didn't really understand like what it meant to, like, I didn't know how to like have a relationship with God. Like he, like I was saved when I was really little at five, like five or something.
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Um, but then, um yeah, I didn't know, like, even though my parents were both Christians, I didn't understand like what it meant to have my own relationship with him. So,
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He kind of just like always felt like really um far away. like he i always like When I like share my testimony, for example, I'll just say like, oh Like, yeah, he was just this, like, far off, like, person in the sky that was, like, pretty uninvolved with their life. And I think I'm like, ah like, I mean, I know that's not true now. But, I mean, I think just with a lot of certain things, I've felt like I don't feel like God's left me. And I know that he hasn't. But I do feel like a level of, like, you feel pretty hands off.
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of late in this season. Yeah. And, like, so like, feeling like I'm walking in relationship with you, like, day in, day out hasn't super been a thing. So for, like, snippets here and there, which I to treasure, but that hits on something for sure.
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Wow. Yeah. Thanks. You're welcome. i Let's just stay here for a
God's Tenderness and Presence
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second one more second. I feel like, yeah, I actually really feel the tenderness of God towards you, Kat.
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Mm-hmm. And just this sum
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ah this wooing of that part of your heart that experienced that in high school that maybe is is coming forward again in this season that is experiencing God as distant.
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I know that you know he's not and I know that you know all the right things, but maybe this part of your heart is is forward now because this is who God wants to connect with and wants to show himself to.
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And it's, it feels that that distance and that, I don't know, numbness, or I don't know exactly what you would call it, but it's not your fault.
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He's actually orchestrated circumstances to bring that part of you forward. So that it's not a in the hiddenness anymore, not in the weeds anymore.
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And it can feel like, oh, I'm feeling this and I need to stop feeling this so I can feel God. I need to get out of this place. But it's actually really intentional. Thanks, Morgan.
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I just wanted to. you like it's such a painful place to go from like his his like heavy presence to like where are you I know like I can practice yeah presence because you know you're a mature Christian but is so painful to be like but where are you and just like Margo said like I is not your fault you didn't do anything wrong but I just feel that like that like heart that heartbreak, the heartache. I feel like I'm coming out of a season like that, where I just know great dreams and, and all this stuff. And I, I was asking the same questions. um
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And I just felt um actually at the very beginning, when I, when I joined the call, it's very simple, but I just heard him say, he's working in the mystery. He's at work in the mystery.
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when it seems black, when it seems dark, when you don't know what's happening, when you can't see a step ahead, he's working in the mystery because he loves you. yeah That's, uh, Kat, it's funny listening to you. as Like, this has been something that I've been, like, working through for the last um ah a few years.
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um And, man, I just, my heart goes out to you so strong. Like, ah But I just wanted to say like, um every time I've been having these breakthroughs lately, because it's like, I kept waiting for this breakthrough to happen to kind of, and then, oh, there's his presence and and this hasn't happened.
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But it's been years. and um And I just had this place where i just, I kind of moved from that. I'm like, well, you're, you're closer than I can imagine. Your word says you're with me. And I just start like speaking out loud, all the truth of regardless of which I had this one experience and I was in my car and I was, is that one of those moments is particularly challenging. I was driving up the mountains to just kind of just, that's just kind of where I go and I need to get away and I'm driving up and I'm talking to myself about, you know, and I just was kind of reasoning with God and and and and the thought that I that i just was was working out was, um i think one of the the greatest thing that blesses his heart is when he loves it when we feel him.
Behaving in Faith Without Feelings
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But I think what he loves is... very, very much is when we behave like we feel him when we're not feeling him. yeah And when i when I thought that, when I kind of thought that and kind of worked that out, and like thought I was talking to myself like in the car.
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yeah And I was like, oh God, is it's the greatest it's a blessing to to for us to act and you see us moving and in your inspiration. But I think it's a bigger blessing for us to still behave like we feel you and we're not feeling you.
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you As I said that a feather just dropped in my and and yeah and I'm like looking all around like what the heck it's like there's no feather again just this and it and I and I just remember that moment of and and that God being like it's almost like Holy Spirit was like amen like wow absolutely like And in that process, it was just this thing of like going back all, like my experience is this, but truth is this.
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And warring against my own experience with his truth. Yeah, dang. Right. And so it's just like, and in that process, it's like, oh, like, in this, and when it comes to truth, our experience can sometimes be the enemy of truth.
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um Because we're preesting together what's going on. And and me and my wife have been some through something particularly difficult. And then... took a huge huge risk of faith and then it didn't didn't seemingly so far hasn't worked out but um yes i feel i feel all everything you're you're going through like i get i i i get a little bit of it you know i don't know your back situation but that feeling god where are you and uh and the biggest blessing and and what we start to see breakthrough in is when we so we've we've been living in a way as if
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that his, what he's spoken is, is greater. And, no and then the, the double down of that is working out our emotions that come from. Oh, so true. know That's been, that's been the part. And, and I've, I've had, I've had anger issues in the last couple of years with this whole thing. I'm like, god where are you? And i finally get really angry. And, um,
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And so I've just been kind of like taking that to him over and over and over. and and and it's just kind of had the breakthrough. So anyways, it just wanted to share that. and Yeah, no, that is encouraging. Thank you, Adam. I really appreciate that.
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Yeah, because especially I forget because you mentioned something about um I mean, everything you said is great, but I think that's that's definitely something I'm like walking out it's like yeah but like making sure that the truth goes down so deep that like when you're not feeling anything circumstantially to support that like you're just like that's what's that's what you're rooted in um i mean it's been challenging for sure because you want to have like the emotional connection as well to like yeah at least for me i don't know if it's like an everybody thing but for me i'm like
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I want to feel it too, but I know that's like not how you build your faith is doesn't come from feeling. So anyways, but yeah, I know what you said about like to even like just the risks and like not really seeing the reward.
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Yeah. That I just a good reminder for me. Cause that's some things that I would say my husband and I have been walking through is like doing some pretty risky things. And like, so far we're not seeing like the,
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fruit of it externally. um It's just been like a really long, feels like drawn out thing. And so we're like, God, what's going on? You know?
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yeah So anyways, just even hearing that you can relate to that is also really helpful. So thank you very much guys. I appreciate it. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. and This is ministering to me too. Cause I'm so in the middle of my own stuff with that. And and I love what you said, Adam, about like the double down.
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It just reminds me of how scripture tells us to um to actually tear down any argument.
Spiritual Weapons Against Barriers
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And like our our personal experiences, at least for me, the personal experiences become the argument over the truth of what God says. And it's it's ugly. I don't want to admit it. But I even just this morning found myself being like, God, your word says this.
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And I am tempted to call that a liar because of this. And I'm very aware that this is more true than this, but like there, this is inside of me. My experience is trying to raise itself up above your truth, this argument.
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And, you know, how scripture tells us to that the weapons we use are and are not carnal, right? But their weapons, their spiritual to tear down strongholds and come against those arguments. It's like our our our experience and that emotional experience and us not seeing the breakthrough becomes what argues with the truth of God. And you guys are just what you said, Adam. That's so inspiring the way you've been going after that.
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On that note, it just reminded me of just was listening to ah
Focus on Jesus Amidst Unfulfilled Promises
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Hebrews, I think it was. um And it talks about everything being subjected under our feet, put everything put under our feet. And it's ah but to it's so powerful. It says, um um but we have not yet seen everything being subject under our feet. Yes.
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But we see him. um And like we see Jesus, we see the way, the truth, and the life, who is Jesus. And like we see him and it's like, oh, we see the one who, where that reality is, is that's the reality. Everything's under his feet. So it's like we haven't seen everything being put up, but we see him and and it just what that meant, like it what that like how I see that, like we see him, so we don't see our situation currently being put under our feet, but it's getting put under our feet because we see him and we're walking but with him. and And that's been the benefit.
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I can honestly say like, like when i when I do this, it's like, and I've written it and i've written it off and I've and i've i've shared ah shared a little bit with Margo, like just do with like how I see and I see with with my heart and with my imagination, right? That's kind of how i I'll see. But When I go to this place, I'm like immediately caught up and I'm like looking at Jesus and he's just smiling at me.
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And he's, he's like just, and, and I've been, and I've been saying this, this lately, it's been like, um, And I'm just saying these things over and over again, speaking different scriptures. But one of the things that I do is I've been speaking.
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It's all distraction. It's all distraction. It's all distraction. It's distraction. It's all distraction. It's all a distraction. It's all a distraction. And see that. It's like.
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Like they literally every like every time I do it and I get into I'm like, it's all a distraction. I all sudden just see that like God's face just kind of come through and he's just like, well i mean he's got this huge smile on his face. He's like, nothing's changed. Everything's just as awesome as it is.
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And, and I've been like, and that's been this experience I've been like stepping into and just declared over my wife and and my family and, And my career and all this different stuff that we got all these distractions. And I'm like, it's all the distractions, all the distractions. Lord, you. And and so, and that's been and that's been one of the things because one one of the ways the enemy will work is like, you know, if he can't withhold information, he will overload us with information.
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What? Did you get that? He will overload us with information.
Managing Overwhelming Spiritual Information
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This right here was one of my greatest takeaways from this conversation because I have a tendency to have periodically very inundating demonic type dreams. And I'm not even saying like overtly nightmarish where you wake up going, oh, that was so evil.
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They just agitate and stir my heart up. And I usually wake up feeling discouraged. And this this is especially true in seasons. So sometimes that will come a couple of weeks at a time. Sometimes it's months at a time. Sometimes it's just a one-off here and there.
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But especially lately, this is something I discussed earlier on the call. There had been like two full weeks where that was happening just every night, multiple times a night. And there was one point where God's really revealed to me that it was all an assignment to really take away my strength, to get me feeling discouraged, waking up discouraged. And when we were talking about this and Adam brought that up, I thought, gosh, that is so true.
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Especially for those of us who are seers, or we see by feeling, there's always so much information spiritually going on. And it's really learning how to hone in on God information, how to hone in on his voice.
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especially when we're sleeping, especially in our dreams. This can feel sometimes like a free-for-all. And we we do our best to pray and set up those boundaries and ask God to cover us.
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And still sometimes there's just warfare. But I think what's so important here is that we are...
Listener Engagement and Outreach
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unveiling the fact that sometimes a lot of information is all meant to be a distraction as well.
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So I know it feels a little bit loaded for me to just end it here, but I'm going to for today and we can continue this conversation. Like I said, please send me your emails, send me your questions.
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Tell me what God is teaching you. Tell me if this stuff is resonating with you, anything you glean from it. And if you have any wisdom to share with us, please send it my way. Okay, listeners, until next time, happy dreaming.
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