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"The Changing Of The Times": Live Interpretation w/ Anna Mullikin
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This is part two of our conversation with Anna Mullikin. Picking up where we left off last week, this episode is the interpretation of Anna’s dream The Changing Of The Times. In this episode you will learn a bit more about this dreamer, her gifting in discernment, counsel and deliverance and perhaps get a little glimpse into what might be coming next for her! As always, there is much to learn from other people's dreams and the way God speaks to them. Perhaps Anna's dream will spark something you needed to hear for your own.
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Human Quest for Spiritual Truths
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic. We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God.
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Host's Humorous Digression
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Welcome back underwater breathers. And speaking of underwater, it probably sounds a little bit like I'm underwater at the moment because I have a gnarly head cold. Haven't had one like this for a while, although i don't hate the rasp that I'm getting, especially when I'm singing. It sounds kind of fun.
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I digress, however.
Introduction to Anna Mulliken's Dream Series
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Today, we have a fun show for you. It is part two of the Anna Mulliken series. Last week, she was here with us sharing a little bit about her experience with deliverance and what God has been doing in her life recently.
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And today, we're jumping in to interpret two of her dreams. One of them kind of happened on accident. It squeaked out while we were just in conversation. So you do get kind of a bonus interpretation on this episode.
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And I would just recommend if you haven't listened to the one before this to go back and listen to it first. It'll give you a little more context for her prayer at the end where she's wrapping up and actually ah praying into a little bit of what she shared last week.
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So for those of you who are ready to jump in, here we go with part two, Anna Mulliken.
Anna's Dream Journey Begins
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So give us just a brief history of your kind of experience with dreams, how God has used them in your life. When did you start getting revelation from them? Yeah. Anything that feels relevant on that?
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I was trying to think back in preparation for this. don't remember a lot of dreams as a kid or even in, you know, but before college. But I do remember starting to get them in college. Mm-hmm.
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um one of the first dreams i remember it's still one of the most vivid dreams i've had and it was just a flash and it's still so fascinating to me because i have no idea what it means but it was a dream of a hut like a wood hut in a desert on sand and i was in it and suddenly from out from under the sand came up um a a a type of this is just so funny here's a little comical a type of hippopotamus naturally and i was I was like it was the most one of the most vivid dreams I've ever had to date like I could see the texture of the skin do you know what I mean? wow
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so it made me go when I get that kind of dream I'm like There's something to that dream. it's not I've like obviously never been that close to a hippopotamus, but it was a certain kind. I didn't recognize it anyway. i looked it up and it was a pygmy, a pygmy hippopotamus.
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Interesting. yeah And that was it? That's it. Anyway, but we don't need to go down that road. Well, listen, I'm a dream nerd. So I'm like, ooh, do you have any revelation from that?
Interpreting Dreams as Calls to Action
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Well, I do think there is ah probably a call on my life around um like – um like righting historical wrongs and like reconciliation of people groups.
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So Pygmy is kind of like a, oh, I didn't even think of the land part. But I think there is something about that. Like pyme you think of Pygmy people as like the native people. And I think that's probably, there might be some kind of destiny thing around that. But I don't really get it about coming up from the ground. I didn't really understand that part.
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Yeah, I wonder if it has to do with land as well, like healing the land and also reconciliation with the people. Because so often the natives are very connected to the land and we're kind of the first.
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So raising them back up in the land, like something coming up that that's hidden. Wow. It has to do with the the earth and your anointing to heal land. Because that's a very real thing. Healing land is a very real thing.
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Yeah. Wow. You're good at this girl. Oh, thank you. We already knew that. But it was so fun. Thanks, Jesus. I just, I love metaphor and I just saw it right away. So that's cool. That brings a piece I hadn't discovered before.
Spiritual Warfare in Dreams
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But I think the next one I remember is I was on mission trip in college to South Africa and Mozambique.
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And it was, there was a lot of weird stuff happening warfare wise. Naturally. Yeah. It was very, now I know more. So I think I'm a real feeler and I pick up on a lot of stuff and I could see, but I didn't have the language or strategy or knowledge yet.
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um But lots of rough, weird stuff. I was very sick. I was sick in bed for most of it. um But I was having dreams of of like witch type people coming to, and I actually don't remember the detail of it, but I just remember it was actually kind of like a revealing some strategy of what was happening. Yeah.
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Um, and so that's one of the first dreams I remember. So actually I think to answer your question, I, uh, about just how dreams have shown up in my life. I know it's not talked about often in the mainstream dream conversation.
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We talk a lot more about prophetic dreams and that type of thing. But, um, i would say there's two major themes of dreams in my life. And one is actually more of like revealing of warfare. Um, and it's maybe not quite as popular or talked about.
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But whereas at first I thought that was like, I probably went through a phase like maybe I shouldn't be having those. I actually think it's actually a just an anointing on me and a call of God in my life. Yeah. And that there's no shame around that anymore. I actually just thank God because it does bring yeah freedom.
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Yeah. Sometimes it is about people, but I actually mean like about what's. gonna happen like so we don't like to talk about that people can have dreams about bad things that are gonna happen so i do have those or just like i i can metaphorically come out of it and go well this is what the enemy's trying to do for this organization or this yeah so that's definitely a theme in my life yeah probably one of two themes yeah Wonderful. And we actually do talk about that quite a bit on here because I dream like that very yeah
Discernment Dreams and Spiritual Battles
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similarly. And so I've kind of coined, I don't know if this is the right way to call them, but like discernment dreams or warning dreams where God is actually like pulling back the veil to show us what's happening in the spirit so that we can strategize with him or so we can pray or so that we can actually see what's going on behind the scenes and and speak into it. So yeah,
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It isn't, I find a lot of people actually get freedom in this. Um, when they're like, I'm having this reoccurring nightmare that they don't realize they have the gift of discerning of spirits or they don't realize they're called as an intercessor or they don't realize that they're a seer or those kinds of things. And then once you actually give them that revelation of like, Oh, obviously God doesn't want you tormented. yeah That's not what this is about. Not receiving torment, but ah he's actually revealing to you to give you,
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um To give you a step up over what the enemy is doing. And you actually have a ton of authority in this area. It's like, oh, it starts to shift. But in the midst of it, it feels like this is yeah kind of hard. This sucks. Like, what is this about?
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Would you say that that is seasonal for you or you're kind of always having dreams like that? Yeah. I think initially was shaking when I'd have the dreams. I actually now don't really get affected affected emotionally by it. I just come out of it going, I just know that it's not having to do with me and that yeah that's helpful.
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yeah um It is seasonally just like, I think all my, sometimes I dream more and less. Obviously, I think that's true for everyone. Sure. But that has been a consistent theme in my life. Yeah. I still get them.
Dreams Leading to New Roles
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um And then probably similar but just slightly different. I get dreams um for other people a lot. and I've now noticed not always but sometimes I'm starting to wonder if it's people that I have assignment from God for because and the reason I say that is I've had an experience of um well initially I'd have dreams about people I knew well okay so I actually see God's like grace in this Because it was easy for me to go to them and share. And almost always it it's ah like like a loving dream, but there's like this certain like thing being revealed for them.
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um Trying to figure out a good example. But yeah, there's like some kind of revelation that it opens up for them. i'm Not of like, oh, I need to move here. Yeah. Got it. Yeah.
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Whether or not I interpret it, I can just tell it's like... read it's It's just revealing something. But it's always not like the scary, like, I know this about you, or this is like a hard word. It's just kind of like a tender place being revealed.
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um the But now he's giving me dreams for people that I don't really know well. You know who they are, but you're not close to them? Yeah. So outside of my comfort, whether that be they're not in the same circles and of me as me relationally or even spiritually, um definitely get dreams for non-believers.
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um But more so, it's been people probably more influential people I've noticed that it takes a lot bravery to share with them. So I think I'm starting to cross that barrier. And what's been interesting is several times And at that point, I didn't expect that at all, that result. But they've come back and it's opened up more of like an advisor-coach relationship with them.
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Yep. Which is fascinating and not expected. But now i'm I guess so now I'm like, okay. Now when I have a dream about someone, I'm like, oh, I'm curious like if they were to – it's possible they'll come back and open that door at some point.
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Wow. I love it. And such an organic way to
Analyzing Two-Part Dream and Life Transitions
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connect you as an advisor to people that you wouldn't miss necessarily otherwise be connected to. Totally. I've actually, um, actually not going to go there. I'm and about to just tangent.
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Okay. Um, do you have anything right now, dream wise, that's coming up to you that you want us to dig into a little bit today? ah So this dream, it was a two part dream. Okay.
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But came right one right after the other. Um, initially we were on, my husband and I were on a bunch of land and, um,
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Maybe I'll edit out some of the details, but basically it was not our land, but there was someone kind of like powerful there and we like just had agreed to like cater. Like there was, i think a caterer had called out and I agreed to step up and cater that event for them.
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We do like cooking, but. And you do do catering? Um, I, I, yeah, I do cooking, but I don't catering. Um, but I remember, but it was like, it happened. So last minute that I was just driving around the property, like trying to get all these things. And I kept realizing as the time get closer, like, I cannot pull this off, like, in time.
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But, and I was really stressed. Okay. So then, and my husband, it was kind of a similar, like, we were picking up these jobs that needed to be filled, right? And then seeing, new scene, this is a very strange one, but we were at a gas station.
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And my husband was driving. And we were in line to get gas. There was a really long line. And I think in front of In front of us was a well-known Christian leader.
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um and Back of us, I don't know who it was. But my head like my the car was acting weird, and it was like we actually bumped the car in front of us. So then my husband was like, oh, my gosh, we got to back up. And then it bumped the guy behind.
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um And then we were kind of past that, and it was just like pulled aside, like in the parking lot of the gas station. And a tow truck came up, and a guy stepped out.
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And had a paper. And on the paper were these long numbers. And it was a tow truck. I'm trying to remember this exact thing. I think it was that he actually had cars he was delivering versus towing cars. Does that make sense? Yeah. um And he called this number.
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And it was pretty obvious it was towards us. And then I just knew in the dream, it was the number of, a we owned a business that went under during COVID that I just knew as our loan number, our our business loan, um like our debt.
00:12:35
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And was that that was that the number for a car? Yeah, it was correlated to a car. And why did he call it out? I think he was giving us a car. Okay. Yeah. Do you still have that loan?
00:12:47
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, yeah. Is that the end? That's the end. Yeah. I feel like I had some interpretation, but I was stuck too. so Okay. Well, I'll ask you yours before I give you mine, but let me ask you a couple questions that I always try and ask on here. if you When did you have the dream, first of all?
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That's a good question. It was over a year ago at this point. Okay. Yeah. What would you title it if you were to give it a title?
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Gosh, I don't know. I'm stuck on that. If it were a movie... I do think had to do with our destiny. I felt that on the both of the scenes. um
00:13:28
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Something like changing, I don't know if changing of the times or something like that. Beautiful. Yeah. um It sounds like a God dream. Did it feel positive? Yeah, I felt positive and it felt like a God dream when I had it. Yeah.
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Great. felt weighty. Okay. What would you say? Well, I think, I think it's ah probably a simple enough dream. I don't have to have you name the three to five symbols that stood out to you the most because they all feel significant.
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What would you say your interpretation is so far or what you feel like God has shown you? Yeah. I get more stuck on the second part of the dream. The first part, um it felt the feeling felt familiar of trying to step up and fill a need and then like being behind. and know there was So I think something God's really had to uproot in my life on all in all levels, including friendship, has been like you don't actually have to like fill the need.
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Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm so no. I'm not actually the person that's always feeling the need. know how to explain this. But it's like, I think it's even, it can be accidentally like a form of control.
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Like, I'm going to actually sustain what's happening by making sure I'm showing up in the right way. Does that make sense? I think so. um So I just felt like actually I was speaking that over destiny and that we kept, we were feeling needs.
00:14:49
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Mm-hmm. um that we didn't necessarily need to keep filling and that it was actually time to move on to a new scene. And what's interesting since then is I have found, whereas I would have said, like, I'm actually feel, have felt the um after this huge transition in the fall for me.
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So actually didn't pick up coaching much since because I just was like, I literally have to sit and make sure I know what I want to offer people. um And what I found coming out of it is I don't have as much grace for, I can do it like pretty well for, but I don't have as much grace for coaching.
00:15:25
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um I actually, no, like there's so many things going on. had some prophecy over me about six months ago. That actually I was going to be moving away from coaching and that I was to be able to move more into like strategic like SQ types like – Like listening to God's strategy for like different sectors, which I got.
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Yeah. Anyway. So yeah, it's interesting. Kind of that advising yeah thing. So I think for destiny wise where where I can try to fill the need is like, okay, I have experience in this and there's fruit. So I should probably keep doing it. But also I'm like, no, I actually don't want to keep filling this need. Yep.
00:16:01
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There's other people who could. Yeah. Yeah. Just because I can doesn't mean that's what the assignment is right now. Right. So the second dream where we're in
Provision and New Ministry Insights
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the gas station. Yeah. I love this.
00:16:13
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So gas stations sometimes can represent the church. Oh, interesting. Because it's a place where people go to get filled. Okay. Yeah. The fact that you're in kind of gridlock.
00:16:24
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I mean, it's like... Yeah. There's a lot of people there. Yeah. You're wanting to move forward or backward and you kind of can't. You're stuck. But then in the midst of that, this random tow truck arrives and gives you a number...
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wants to give you a car, a different car that you think correlates with, well, you knew in the dream it correlated with a loan from a past business. yeah And cars oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes represent ministry or a business or a call or something like that. So in the midst of this place of kind of not moving forward, not moving forward, not moving back, can't move forward, can't move back.
00:17:02
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Wow, yep. There's enter provision where a new ministry is wanting to be given to you. um The fact that it was an account number from an old loan, I wonder if it has to do with what that business was. Yeah, this is fascinating. Totally.
00:17:21
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I can tell you Because i don't know what that was. do you want me to tell you? Yeah. Do tell. Whatever you want. Yeah, yeah. So my husband and I owned an indoor play space here in town. Huh.
00:17:32
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Um, total like detour from our, so, so he's in the medical world. Um, and we came here, we were applying to say a year and then go work with, um, like in the Arab spring, like the refugees happening around the Arab spring.
00:17:49
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Um, and specifically kids that were traumatized post-conflict or post-disaster. So that's something we've had on our heart for a long time. So when my husband came to me, was like, keep having this idea pop up About the indoor space.
00:18:04
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Yeah. I was like, frankly, I was like, i don't know what you're talking about, but I'll pray about it so he can say no to me. you know And then when I did, i had this crazy vision. Wow.
00:18:16
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And I saw kids coming from all parts of the world into view that were hurting. and And then I just heard God say, and I want ah need people to tend to the kids in the world.
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And I want to heal and encounter kids through play. Mm-hmm. And so then that was that. It was a very strong, closest I've had to Open Vision. kind of I was like, okay, so we're doing this.
00:18:40
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So that is the business we opened. That went under during COVID. That went under during COVID. That is the loan number that came on the tow track. Yep. Interesting. Does that resonate with anything now?
00:18:52
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Um, no, only that there's just obviously starting in the fall. It's just a huge work God did in my life. He's doing to my husband's and we just actually this weekend went away and we were like just a new going like God, just having a sense. There's like a new, new thing coming, ah change, like we'll do anything kind of.
00:19:12
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Yeah. Love it. My sense too with, cause I asked if the loan was still outstanding and you said yes. Yeah, I felt like maybe he was saying he'd he take care of it. That's going to get taken care of. Yeah, it's been a long wait, but and I felt like he said that.
00:19:26
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Definitely. Yeah, that was my first sense. When um when you you knew, it just happened to be that number. Because he also wants to give you a new ministry. And it just reminds me kind of of this new era where he's...
00:19:38
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ti Tying up old things so that the new can really come. And even in the midst of you maybe not feeling like you're not really able to move forward yet, but you're definitely not going back.
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um That the provision is going to come for you in the middle of that. I love that. Yeah, that really
Embracing New Assignments
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resonates. Beautiful. And as we're letting go of things...
00:20:02
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Yeah. There's so much I could say there, but I won't. I'm like but on air. What do we say? But just as we're letting go of old things that we. Yes. We're like pretty good at, but you know, like, do we want to keep doing this?
00:20:16
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man. Not everything good is God. Yeah. Even though something might feel really good. It might be feel easy. It might feel like I know how to do that. Yeah.
00:20:27
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He's into new things. What do you think about the whole like bumping into the cars and the church leader?
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so I don't totally know. I feel like I could interpret some stuff there. yeah um I wonder if this is so many dreams.
00:20:45
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I find that we get a measure of, you know, revelation in the moment and then something will happen or it'll unfold and you'll be like, that there it is. That's what the dream was. i couldn't have known that ahead of time. Maybe there would be something there except for the fact that um you've even kind of alluded to a call and a getting words to advise people of influence and that being ahead of you um that could be in front of you and just you're going to bump right into it God's going to it's going to be easy that's so interesting in the dream I was feeling so like
00:21:16
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my gosh, we can't bump into them. Totally. Which would totally be how you would feel in a dream. Yeah. Which kind of feels a little bit like how you were saying earlier, God gives you dreams for other people. and then all of a sudden it started to be for people who didn't know. And then you were like, it's a little bit more intimidating to go and give them a word. But you are all about how do I live without fear?
00:21:32
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yes which i was like that's such a dangerous thing to be the word because you know he's about to just bring you so many things where you're bound to be afraid right it's like playing for patience it's like we do it but then yeah oh so i mean that's my sense from it but i would love to we can circle back in six months and see did that unfold yeah that's cool that's actually really helpful Awesome.
00:21:59
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Yeah. Anything else?
Final Reflections and Prayer for Listeners
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Actually, i would love for you to pray. Okay. While you were talking earlier, specifically about the deliverance stuff and God revealing layers or things to us that we didn't even really know. ah wait, this isn't me. I can let go of this. Like God paid for this whole thing. Amen. Would you just pray that that would be revealed in people's lives? I actually had a picture in my head. I don't know if there's a listener whose name means Lily or has something to do with a water lily. Maybe your literal name is Lily. um My sense is that you're of Asian descent and I just felt like this was specifically a word for that person. But I think the greater audience can definitely receive this and and myself included.
00:22:46
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Mm-hmm. like just that God would continue to reveal that before we close. Yeah. I'd love to, I'll just say late as part of the prayer, um, a lot of like the first part of my deliverance happened right before I got um on a plane one day.
00:23:00
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And, um, I remember walking into the layover, like, um, like waiting room. what do you call that? Like the, where everyone's sitting. And, um,
00:23:13
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You know, when you have and certain encounters with God, this was a powerful enough one that there was a period of time where I felt like I could see, maybe feel like what I would feel like in heaven more and I could see things more clearly on earth.
00:23:24
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And it it starts to fade over time. But. Um, it just, it was so fresh at that point. I walked in that room and I was just looking around at everyone doing their thing. And I literally, was the first time life I wanted to stand up in a chair and preach.
00:23:37
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And what I wanted to say and yell out to them is it's, it's not you, it's them. And just got this, this feeling over them of like the amount of money they're spending and time and self-blame they're doing about things like depression or anxiety.
00:23:52
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Or everything else that they're trying to go after or and or just numb out from. And um just, yeah, so I just, I guess I say that over the listeners, like the things that you feel you need to see change in, like it's very possible.
00:24:08
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It's not you, it's them. And if it's them, we know that every one of them was made a public spectacle when Jesus died on the cross and rose again. And that's available to you.
00:24:19
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So I just release whatever got the work God did in me to everyone listening. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Amen.