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EPISODE 104: SORORITIES ARE TERRIFYING
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EPISODE 104: SORORITIES ARE TERRIFYING
Pledges, get ready for your hazing… JUST KIDDING, we don’t believe in hazing on this podcast. But we do believe in chatting all about the horrible and terrifying things that happen in sororities. Listen in today!
HORROR IN THE MOVIES
KILLER PARTY and SCREAM 2 are the perfect films for pledges to watch!
WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
Listen in to hear what we’ve been watchin’... bitch!
HOTTIE OF THE EPISODE
Who will the boys choose? Listen in to find out! (HINT: It's Jerry O'Connell 😍)
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Transcript
Introduction and Fundraiser Brainstorming
00:00:00
Speaker
Frage the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud, independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit frage13.com.
00:00:24
Speaker
Okay, everybody, quiet down. It's time for our annual Suka Deek fundraiser meeting. Yes, this year we'll be raising funds for our sister sorority, Lika Klete. We need to stand in solidarity with our fellow Greeks. So who's got the first idea?
00:00:42
Speaker
Oh, what about a U-Haul sale where we rent out U-Hauls and then we sell things out the back of them? Interesting idea. What else? Hmm, cat adoption. So many little pussies out there that need a good home.
00:00:56
Speaker
Love where your head's at. Anything else? How about a billiards tournament? I know those ladies love a good pool game.
Sororities in Horror and Film Analysis
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Brother Matty, you are always so good at this. Thanks. It's just in my blood, I guess. It's episode 104. Sororities are terrifying.
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I'm Marjorie Greene and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism and stop China.
00:01:56
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When do we want it? Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh? What are you waiting for? I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes, that is better. Hi, I'm Maddie, recruitment vice president. I'm Haley, chapter president. Brace yourself, this sorority recruitment video takes a crazy turn.
00:02:24
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Beyond the door are the giddy sorority sisters of Alpha Delta Pi at the University of Texas at Austin, stacked like a pyramid, excitedly clapping and chanting. Some Twitter users are ripping the video apart. They really did just open the gates of hell.
00:02:45
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Welcome to another episode of Friday the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty. And I am Andrew. Yes, he is. And folks, welcome to the horror, welcome to the podcast that talks about horror, that's what I was trying to say. The podcast that talks about horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBTQ perspective. And we are here today with our 104th episode all about sororities. Now, if you go back, do you remember what number it is, Andrew, fraternities?
00:03:14
Speaker
It's exactly a year ago. That's all I can say. So it's about 24 episodes ago, somewhere in there. So about 24 episodes ago, you will find fraternities are terrifying. And when we produced that show, we thought, oh, well, we'll save sororities for next year.
00:03:30
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Here we are. So we've got a great show lined up for you. Two films that I think a lot of horror fans love and have a lot of fun with. Killer Party from 1986. And then just 11 Short Years Later, Scream 2. What other scream have we done on the show? We have not done a scream on the show. So this will be our first one.
00:03:52
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Shit, I didn't even realize that. I thought we had done one. Oh well. So that's cool.
Real-Life Sorority Events and Hazing Discussion
00:03:57
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There we go. Andrew, before we get into the meat of the episode, before we really slash into it, how about a couple things in our Certified Terrifying Corner? You ready for that? I'd love to pull over and see what's happening at the Certified Terrifying Corner. It's a great corner. You can do a lot in that corner. It's very big, this corner. Very, very big.
00:04:16
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The first thing that I have for you in the certified terrifying corner, Andrew, and these are little bits from real life that we find very terrifying. The first thing is this, this month student loan payments are about to recommence in America and those loans are facing huge repayments they aren't prepared for and can't afford. So this should be an interesting time for the economy ahead.
00:04:40
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Yeah, I'm kind of of two minds about this specific topic. Tell me those two minds. If I'm if I'm being totally honest and I'm trying not to be, I'm trying not to be inconsiderate. That's like something I'm really trying to be hard, like not anymore. But like, I don't know, like we've had what was this? It's got to be what, two and a half years, essentially, right? This since we've kind of like put them on hold.
00:05:06
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Yeah, you mean for they were on hold for the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I don't know, like we were talking about the this is kind of a sidebar, but we were talking about like the NFL and the NBA and stuff yesterday, just about like these people. And it doesn't happen as much anymore, but it happened a lot. And then like the 90s and early 2000s where people that went into the NFL or the NBA or some big, you know,
00:05:32
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athletic thing where they like literally so much money like so much money. Yeah. And then five years later, they're broke and you're like, well, what? Why don't you do something with all that money? And so, like, I'm kind of like you guys knew you were going to have to repay these at some point. So you should have maybe prepared a little better. I'm not saying that there's not situations where that's just not available to people. I totally understand that. I'm just
00:06:00
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I don't know. I mean, mine are coming back. I have to repay mine too. It's just like one of those things like, I don't know how to feel about it because I only know my financial situation. And I can't tell other people how to feel about their own financial situation. I'm not an accountant. I'm not in that field. So people need to be a little bit more fastidious with their money and just understand that
00:06:28
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You're always going to have to owe taxes and you're always going to have to owe these things. If we want healthcare and stuff in this world, that does come with a price. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm snowballing, but I'm just trying to...
00:06:44
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I feel like if I have to pay them back, so should everybody else. I'm of a very different mind on this. I think that when it comes to student loans, I think that it's ridiculous that anyone had to pay for public college in the first place. And I think that this would go for any sort of post-secondary school training that you would want to do.
00:07:05
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And I think just like other countries or like the country that I live in now, if you choose to go to a private school, that's up to you. If you choose to go to like a Harvard or whatever, hey, that's your game. But if you choose to go to a public school like Indiana University or any other state school or community college or a trade school or any sort of post-secondary training, I think that that should be covered by the state. And I think that there's more than enough money to cover that. And how do I know there's more than enough money to cover that?
00:07:35
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Well, here's one example for you. If you look at how much money America is spending right now on the war in Ukraine, I think that you could probably forgive one hell of a lot of loans that are out there right now for that money. And so I think it's a lot less about people being fastidious with their money or like planning ahead to pay for it. Because when we think about it too, the interest rates on these loans are insane.
00:07:58
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And so it's not like it's a credit card or it's not like it's a, I don't know, like a car that you bought. I mean, these are loans, these are very, very serious loans that are long lasting that people take out when they're like 17 years old.
00:08:15
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And I think it's I think it's predatory and I think it's wrong to expect that, you know, here, here, go get your degree and roll the dice. And let's see what kind of job you get later. Oh, and by the way, the economy sucks. Oh, and by the way, wages have not stayed constant with inflation.
00:08:33
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and wages have not gone up in the way that they should go up, minimum wage hasn't gone up, all of the costs for your life have gone up though, that's for sure. And so nothing has arranged itself in such a way where the millions of people who owe trillions in this supposed debt can actually pay it off.
00:08:55
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And so I think it's really ridiculous in America where we can pay for war after war after war, including a war that we're not even involved in right now, including that war. But we can't pay for people's education. I think that's very, very fucked up. And if we want to take it a little bit further, let's look back to when we bailed out the banks. Trillions of dollars came from taxpayers to bail out the banks that were apparently too big to fail.
00:09:22
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And in the end, what happened? They got free money. Like literally, they got free money from my pocket and from yours. So once again, we can bail them out, but we can't bail just the normal everyday person like you and me who both of us, you know, still owe student loans.
00:09:38
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So I think it's a travesty for America and I think that the powers that be should be really a shame. Now, if we think also about when Biden was trying to get the student loans forgiven, up to $10,000 for most people and up to $20,000 for other people that had like Pell grants or things like that.
00:09:55
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It's a real shame that the Supreme Court acted the way that it did, but it is what it is. I'm not surprised. I think Biden took way too long to act on it in the first place. It's a travesty. I know too, speaking about my own student loans, I worked for 13 years in nonprofits. As some people might know, there is the PSLF, the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program.
00:10:23
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The program is pretty simple. You work in nonprofit at an eligible place for 10 years and you get your loans forgiven. I worked for over 10 years in nonprofit making not that much money, doing a really good thing for the world, doing a really good thing for families and children, working to help teachers. I could go on and on and on about how good it was, but it doesn't really matter.
00:10:45
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my loans didn't get forgiven. So there was a promise given to me by America that they did not keep. So I feel really strongly about this. And I think I'm coming up on that. I'm coming up on that 10 years. So we'll see. Yeah. Well, good luck. Hopefully, hopefully, you know, they're going to forgive yours. But I can tell you this. It wasn't because I wasn't fastidious because I wasn't making enough money. And no, no, I mean, I'm just saying like,
00:11:09
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, and we won't belabor this too much longer, but I feel like the education system in and of itself is set up incorrectly, if that makes more sense. Because I think that if we had universities, the quote unquote state universities, if those were set up to be more nonprofit type places where we could get an education for little to no money or that kind of a thing.
00:11:39
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set up. If you want to go to university, you're going to pay billions, whatever you know up front, what your tuition is going to be. So I agree. I think all community colleges should be free and I think that we should figure out how that should work.
00:11:53
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the education system is so profitable that they just don't set it up that way. It really sucks. I just think it's really easy for people on the other side of the, and I'm not talking about you in particular here, I'm just saying it's pretty easy for people on the other side of the argument to say, well, you took a loan, you should pay it back. That's just not it.
00:12:12
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I mean, like I said, this isn't a car. This isn't like a fucking TV that I bought. It's my fucking education. And like, you know, I've done really great things with it in this world. I've helped to make my own little part of the world a better place because I got that education. And I don't think that I should be saddled with it even now when I'm 41 fucking years old. I think it's fucking insane. So look, we'll leave it there. But look, I'm wishing everybody the best out there because it's going to be one hell of a shitstorm.
00:12:39
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Um, since we last recorded 103 and we took our little hiatus there for a month, um, some, some deaths have occurred that have been really sad, Andrew. And the first one, especially for horror fans, William Friedkin died. And, um, I mean, look, the guy was old, you know, like that's the thing. That's the thing with a lot of these deaths. Like, you know, they're old. They've had a great life. Don't get me wrong. Um, but William Friedkin dying and that was,
00:13:03
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It was less sad and more of like a trip down memory lane, if you know what I'm trying to say, you know, it's kind of like one of those people that you like kind of forgot about for a little bit, but they're always in the back of your head, like always there. Like, yeah, when you watch certain things and you like it's it's it's kind of like when Wes Craven died, you know, like, like 10 years ago or whatever. Sure. Like it's these people that have always been a part of your life, but you forget, you know, they've always been there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:30
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And I'll tell you, William Friedkin, if there's a, there's a really great Twitter thread out there. I think we might've retweeted it. I can't remember if I did that or not, but
00:13:38
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There's a great Twitter thread that is all about how funny William Friedkin was. I mean, if you don't know what a goofball this dude was, I encourage you look into it because he was a fucking weirdo. But on purpose and because he just loved being funny, I don't know. I won't even get into it. Just go have a look at it because it's really, really wonderful stuff.
00:14:02
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Um, also on that list though, too, some other people that died, Shanita O'Connor died. Um, Paul Rubens died, Tony Bennett, and just yesterday, Jimmy Buffett, the parent had himself died. And Bob Barker.
00:14:15
Speaker
Oh, and I forgot about Bob Barker. You're right. Price is right. God, isn't that this? Those are some major deaths, you know? Yeah, it's I mean, for me, like for me, I look at this list and I see 87. I see, you know, Bob Barker was 99. Obviously, Jimmy Buffett, old, Tony Bennett, very old. But then I see people like Sinead O'Connor and Paul Rubens and I'm like that old. And it's
00:14:38
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It sucks. Like, the one thing that like, I mean, we talked about this, we have a whole fucking episode on death, but like, the one thing to like,
00:14:47
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think that we have to all put our like hats on is that we're all going to die one day. Just like, really, you know, it is, it's, it sucks. And, you know, um, I don't know. I mean, I think all of these people that we just listed had their own little important place in my life, you know? And, um, just, just, it's a, it's a, it's one hell of a string of deaths, you know? So yeah, those are our items for the certified terrifying corner. Now on with the rest of the show.
00:15:16
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Yeah, I will fire up my Margaritaville Margarita machine today and have a cheeseburger in honor. If listeners don't know, I have an abnormally giant Margaritaville machine that I bought in the pandemic. And you know what? It's fucking great. I was there. I was there for this purchase. And let me tell you that thing fucking rocks. 95 degrees in Chicago today. So we'll fire that baby up.
00:15:41
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You know what, we won't spend any more time on it, but just to say this too, I did not, I read an article in the New York Times. I did not realize honestly just how good of a businessman Jimmy Buffett was. Holy. Oh, he's a billionaire. Like incredible. The empire that he built anyways.
00:16:00
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All right, let's talk all about sororities. Should we talk a little bit about the history of sororities first? Oh, yes, please. So sororities originally called women's fraternities because women can't have anything that men can have. My God. Began to develop in 1851 with the formation of the Adelphian Society Alpha Delta Pi.
00:16:21
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though fraternity-like organizations for women didn't take their current form until the establishment of pi beta phi in 1867 and kappa alpha theta and kappa kappa gamma in 1870. The term sorority was used by a professor of Latin at Syracuse University, Frank Smalley, who felt the word fraternity was inappropriate for a group of ladies.
00:16:47
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The word comes from the Latin soror, which meaning sister, cousin, daughter of a father's brother or female friend. Isn't that funny? They chose a Latin word for a Greek thing. I didn't even think about that. And it was created by a man. Jesus Christ, my goodness.
00:17:11
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The first organization to use the term sorority was Gamma Phi Beta, and that was established in 1874. So that's just a little bit about where they come from. So if you really think about sororities, they're only about, what would that be?
00:17:28
Speaker
About a hundred and fifty years old so not really you know it's it's it's not that old and it's good that you brought this up because you know when I was doing the research for this you know for whatever I was gonna talk about I was looking at like sorority horror stories or sorority deaths or you know whatever the crazy shit that you and I look up and it was funny because like every time I searched mostly like fraternity stuff would come up and
00:17:50
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Do you know what I mean? It's actually like for people who have never done this before, it's actually like it's not that easy to get a lot of stuff on sororities. I was pretty surprised for this episode.
00:18:00
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Yeah, and definitely, I don't know how much you are on the video version of social media, like with the Reels and the TikToks and all that stuff. But there's this new phenomenon, and I don't know if you've seen this, but where essentially to rush different sororities, they have to put on a show. They have to go in front of the house and do this whole choreographed dance.
00:18:27
Speaker
whoever does the best one gets in and all this stuff. Have you seen any of this? Well, I haven't seen those. The only thing that I could think of that I've seen on Reels or Insta or anything like that would be where all the sorority sisters are welcoming new pledges. It's sort of like that. These ridiculous videos of everyone's wearing the exact same thing and they're all super bubbly and whatever. It's kind of funny.
00:18:55
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Yeah, and it's so funny because you look at that and you're like, Oh my God, look like so much fun. But then you think about what we're about to talk about. And that's like this, this like mean underbelly of like, what, like what actually goes on. And like it's the darkness in the light. It is so we've talked about this before.
00:19:16
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teenagers going into their 20s are awful people. They just are awful people. And the way that we demean people to, I guess, like, quote unquote, like build people up. Oh, gosh, I wouldn't I am so glad that I didn't we didn't really have a Greek system where I went to I mean, we did, but it wasn't very popular.
00:19:36
Speaker
Um, I would, I don't think I would have survived it if I'm being honest. I hate being, I hate being humiliated. I hate being, I hate having attention on me. And this would have, I don't know. I don't know if I would have made it. My, my, my sister, um, shared a story with me for this episode and I'll, I'll, I'll tell you about it later. Um, or actually, no, no, no. Maybe I'll just tell you right now.
00:19:58
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Why would I just do it now? So, yeah, my sister, Rebecca, share this with me and hold on. Let me just find it here because she texted it to do. So, OK, so I had asked her, I said, hey, you know, we're doing this episode tomorrow about, you know, sororities being terrifying. I said, do you have any sorority horror stories that you that you might want to share? And she said this, I'll just read it to you verbatim.
00:20:24
Speaker
How about how a little freshman pledge is taken from her dorm room in the middle of the night, blindfolded, thrown in a car, has alcohol poured down her throat, driven to the woods, tied to a tree, and left for what felt like hours before her fraternity, and in quotes here, dad, came to rescue her as that's the way to meet your dad.
00:20:50
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Gross. That was part of her initiation or hazing or whatever. And I didn't know that she had to do that. But I mean, look, we all, not all of us, but I would say a good fair few of us in college obviously got wasted quite often. But it was usually because we wanted to.
00:21:09
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I can't imagine. I honestly, I felt so bad for Rebecca when she told me this, but I didn't know that story. And that had to be terrifying when you're that young. Like, absolutely terrifying. And I don't really understand. I don't know. Like, I don't really get the psychology of it. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, like the humiliation. Yeah. I mean, because for me, it's like, you know, I'm a people leader, right? I'm a manager. I'm a leader at a company.
00:21:38
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and i think about you know the psychology of bringing people together really i mean i really do mean this pretty often because it's extremely important for team building that you know your team is cohesive and feels like they're all heading in the same direction and they like each other and blah blah blah blah right never what i think in a million years
00:21:55
Speaker
Let's take an employee and tie them up to a tree and pour alcohol down their throat and then my director will come find them. Do you know what I mean? I can't imagine how humiliation would bring people closer. Do you know? Yeah, I think that it all stems from
00:22:13
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this weird obligation to tradition. And it's like, well, the people before you had to go through this, so you have to go through this like it's. Yeah, it's I mean, like, listen, I'm just saying that that's where I think it comes from. I think it's fucked up. I'm really messed up. I think that that's probably a good explanation because I don't I don't think anyone probably could explain it in full. I mean, it's just it's almost like Stockholm syndrome. You know, it's like, I mean, they're keeping their and then and then you have to say, I love you after.
00:22:43
Speaker
I mean, it's it's anything in life like we are as humans, we have this weird inane like thing in our brain that says we have to do things a certain way. Like we have to get married a certain way. We have to. And it and I can't explain it and I don't know where it comes from, but like.
00:23:02
Speaker
that's just like what humans do and it's so weird. It is truly amazing how many people do not believe that they have a choice in life, that they don't have any agency at all.
00:23:15
Speaker
It's very, very weird. Yeah. Do you want to do your true crime piece first and then we'll do a little bit about hazing? Yeah. So this sort of brings in a little bit of sorority stuff and a little bit of serial killer because it's talking about one of the most famous serial killers, Ted Bundy.
00:23:36
Speaker
Um, and I, you know, it's, it's like when I think about Ted Bundy, um, which I don't think about him often, by the way, I just want to point that out when I, when I, when I do think of him, um, which is very rarely, um, I kind of forget that like it, it, the main part of what he did took place in a, in a sorority house. Yeah.
00:23:55
Speaker
And so thinking about kai omega at florida state university and i got an article for you from grunge dot com it's the truly horrific crime scene of ted bundy's fsu sorority attack.
00:24:10
Speaker
You can read more of this on grunge.com, like I just said. And I think it was, I think in 2018, it might have been 40 years since the murder, I can't quite recall. It sounds about right, because I feel like that was when all the Netflix stuff popped up. That's right. Yeah, because it was Zac Efron playing Ted Bundy, wasn't it?
00:24:30
Speaker
I didn't watch it. I think it was. I love him, but it wasn't very good. Anyways, here's the article. John Wayne Gacy, Ed Gein, Richard Ramirez. On the list of the most infamous American serial killers of all time, Ted Bundy comes in somewhere near the top. What an interesting opener to this article, right? That's an author. I know, right?
00:24:52
Speaker
I think I would put Ted Bundy above Richard Ramirez, but I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Yeah, I'd put him in the middle there. Yeah. Bundy, who committed at least 28 murders, went on his killing spree in the mid to late 1970s. And he was arrested by police multiple times because of his suspicious behavior. And he also escaped multiple times. But he was eventually sentenced to death in 1979 and finally executed in 1989.
00:25:20
Speaker
During his crime spree and trial, Bundy drew plenty of public attention, and now more than four after Bundy died, he remains a well-known figure in popular culture.
00:25:38
Speaker
And of course, that is partly due to the 1978 crime scene at the Florida State University Kai Omega Sorority House in Tallahassee, Florida, for which Bundy was eventually sentenced to death. So, the crime scene. Before dawn on January 15, 1978, police received a call about an incident at a local sorority house on the Florida State University campus.
00:26:04
Speaker
Officers responding to the call found a scene of panic and carnage. Four members of the sorority had been attacked around 3 a.m. Two of them had severe injuries from a beating, including a girl named Kathy Kleiner, whose jaw had been broken in three places.
00:26:21
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Karen Chandler, who had significant head injuries. Kleiner recalled waking up when her attacker came into the room, but not being able to see him or defend herself. But worse was the scene around Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy. These sorority sisters, who were beaten, strangled, and sexually assaulted, didn't survive the attack.
00:26:42
Speaker
Still, these four attacks weren't enough for Bundy, and that same night Bundy assaulted Cheryl Thomas, another FSU student in her nearby home. She was also beaten by Bundy, but attributed her survival to the quick thinking of her neighbors, who heard the commotion in her apartment and called the police.
00:27:00
Speaker
Initially, authorities didn't believe Bundy could be responsible for the attacks because he had never gone on a killing spree within girls' homes before. However, when Bundy was arrested in a nearby area for having stolen license plates, authorities connected the dots and charged him with murder.
00:27:16
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Bundy was placed on trial in June of 1979 for the murders he committed at the Kaiomega House. The trial, which lasted almost a month, culminated in a guilty verdict. He was sentenced to death by electrocution. And later Bundy would go on to be tried for other crimes. But it was ultimately the death sentence delivered to him in the FSU sorority house case, which sealed his fate. The survivors of the sorority house murders healed in the weeks and months following the attack.
00:27:46
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though the impact of their injuries and mental distress lasted for many more years. Kathy Kleiner shared that she struggled to come to terms with the death of her sorority sisters and Cheryl Thomas, who was assaulted near the house, deals with permanent deafness as a result of the attack.
00:28:02
Speaker
So, a pretty terrifying thing to have happen at a sorority house. And, you know, when you think about it, like, this article sort of uses women and girls interchangeably, but, like, you do have to remember that, like, the people in sorority houses, they're just girls, you know? Like, I think about my niece Ella, who I just loved to death.
00:28:24
Speaker
Um, and Ella is fantastic. She goes to Indiana university. Um, and she, um, she pledged for a sorority last year. I totally forget which one. Um, and you know, she's with the girls this year. She's not living in the house, living in an apartment, but she'll be at the sorority house quite often. And like, it's, it's weird to think about like people that were, that are my niece's age, right? Those are the ones who were getting attacked by Ted Bundy. It's terrifying to think about like, they're just,
00:28:53
Speaker
like the aloe for me is just like she's just still a girl. Do you know what I mean? Like she's just so young and it makes it it makes it that much more that much more awful.
00:29:02
Speaker
Well, no. And that's the thing that like always gets me about these obsessions with these like true crime, like horror, like, you know, the big four that you were like named is that so much of the story is about them and not about the victims. And that's really messed up. Like the fact that we know Ted Bundy's name, but we don't know Cheryl Thomas or Kathy Kleiner or any of these other women like
00:29:32
Speaker
That's messed up and I think that we really need to take a look at and why the other thing I was thinking about with your with your niece is that.
00:29:45
Speaker
There's this weird new thing that I did not know about until hanging out with your family and learning more about the Greek system as it exists nowadays, and that's over rushing a sorority. Oh, right, right, right. Yes, this is so weird. And so there's this new thing now to where even if the house is full, they will over rush the sorority.
00:30:07
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so that they have more members, but those members can't live in the house. They have to live, like you said, your, your, uh, nieces in an apartment and, uh, paying an ass load of money for that apartment. And for it and guess, and guess what? Oh, you know what all that means is that the sorority is making more money because they're all, they're all artists, little businesses. That's all that they are.
00:30:35
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Oh, yeah, yeah, it is the Greek system. At the end of the day, there is no system without money. And so think about that when you're just, you know, whatever. When you're when you're systeming, think about that. Yeah.
00:30:51
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Um, no, uh, so yeah, I do want to talk a little bit about the positive side of sororities because just like when we did, this is a great point. Yes. Good point. Yeah. Just like when we did fraternities, there is a positive side. I think that what sororities, just like many other things that we do in life, what they're meant to instill is a sense of community and a sense of like camaraderie and a sense of like,
00:31:17
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going forward, you'll always know these people. You'll always have them in your life. So maybe if there's a business opportunity in the future, you can be like, well, I know that so-and-so is really good at this. We could bring her on. And I do think that that's really important, especially if people that are entering their late teens, early 20s,
00:31:38
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don't have fucking anything figured out and need some like maybe that someone that's like a couple years older to like help them understand like even like the university that they're at or like what to do or like where to go or like where safe to go party or like whatever. I think that that's like a side that we that we maybe don't think about. But it is it is important to understand because like I remember when I was navigating university here in the in the US, I didn't know anything.
00:32:08
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Sure. I literally had to just go in blind with my stupid map that was printed out and where to go. If I would have had somebody to be there and be like, hey, are you looking for room 107 or whatever? That would have been super helpful. I do see the upside of sororities. Unfortunately, as humans, we have to make it horrible. No, no, no. I really do agree with this. For example, thinking about Ella, once again, Ella sorority I know is really
00:32:38
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really good about social justice issues. They were one of the first on campus, I think that they were, to start talking about Black Lives Matter and that kind of stuff. And even beyond anything even like that or the fundraising that they'll do for this charity or that charity, for me when I went to school and for Michael too, we went to school for things that naturally had a community. I went to school for theater, Michael went to school for music.
00:33:05
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And those are two things where you are going to instantly have a ton of friends and you're going to have stuff to do and all this other thing because that's just part of that, right? But people who go to school for, I don't know, business or English or whatever, computer science.
00:33:23
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There's not that same kind of feel with that. And so I really do get why people would seek out a fraternity or a sorority because they just want to have a place where they belong. And hopefully they like at least 80% of the people there and they get along and that's their place and cool, that's where they fit in. I think that's a great thing. It's like a social club and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:33:47
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Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit about the dark side of it. Bring it on. So obviously, when it comes to fraternities and sororities, there's always this dark side to it, you know, with hazing and how you get into the sorority.
00:34:03
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We'll talk about a couple of these are all come from bustle.com. So if you want to read a more comprehensive list, you can go there and look up the sorority horror stories that I found. But a couple of ones, this one is from the University of California at Berkeley. In 2012, Brittany Starling decided to sue the Zeta Pi Beta sorority.
00:34:24
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after what allegedly happened to her during pledge week. Starling claimed that she was forced to clean up juice from the floor using her back and act as a trash can for other girls, taking whatever garbage they had and carrying it in her pockets. Based on her account, however, it went beyond humiliation. Starling claimed that things reached a physical level when she and other pledges were forced to stay awake all night without being permitted to use the bathroom.
00:34:52
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They were also allegedly forced to stand for hours, and when Starling's leg gave out, she claimed a member hit her ankle with a book, and the emotional and physical trauma eventually culminated in Starling's decision to actually just go ahead and leave the entire school.
00:35:14
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Um, you know, it makes no sense. Yeah. And I apologize. I laugh when I'm uncomfortable and that's why I had a little chuckle in there because everyone knows that everyone knows. I think that this is, I think that this is beyond ridiculous. Like
00:35:30
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It's just insane. Another one for me. There is part of that that if we're being honest, it is farcical. It makes no sense in the world why anyone who is being forced to stay up all night long and if you don't do that or if you try to sit down, they hit you like it's a fucking concentration camp. There's no that is that is it almost is like a farce. Andrew, like is this reality right now? That's that's fucking crazy.
00:36:01
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Yeah, another one from Penn State. In 2008, sorority pledge Joanne, that's not her real name. She didn't want to share her name for fear of retribution. She was forced to stand with her nose against a concrete wall during rush. She said if she or other pledges moved at all, they had their heads slammed into the brick.
00:36:24
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Oh my god. Joanne also allegedly had to clean a floor with her fingernails and drink what was described as pitch black water. The college website said that they have a strict anti-hazing policy if violated. It results in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's be honest, Penn State doesn't have the best track record for this. Yeah. I think Penn State also had like an anti-raping policy too, didn't they? That didn't work out so well.
00:36:49
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Oh, yeah, I think I think honestly, Penn State might have come up when we did fraternities of him remembering correctly. He probably did. I mean, and probably in sports, too, if if if if maybe I don't know, maybe we did makes it does not surprise me at all. But the I gasped when I read ahead a little bit about their heads being pushed into the brick if they moved. Like, yeah, fuck. I'll tell you what, the revenge I would take against those girls, the revenge I would say. Oh, God, it would be so sweet. I would be so sweet.
00:37:19
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I would, I would wait until they're about 35 and have like two kids. I would just invade their life and make it hell. Oh yeah. Or like, or like if they like got powerful at some kind of company or whatever, I would like buy my way into the company at like a board meeting or something. I would like just completely humiliate them in front of everybody and I would ruin their fucking life forever.
00:37:42
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I would freeze their PowerPoint. Listen to us right now. Jesus. Another one from terrifying. We've already done that one. I know another one from Rutgers University in 2010, a student pledging this New Jersey school's Sigma Gamma Rho sorority landed in the hospital after alleged
00:38:01
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being beaten with paddles. The injured student press charges and six girls were actually arrested. The sorority staunchly voiced their innocence, claiming no such event ever happened. In response to the event, Rutgers suspended their chapter and so did the sorority's national organization. So at least Rutgers took some
00:38:24
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This is the thing. They're saying, oh no, nothing happened. So this girl just randomly showed up to the hospital needing medical care because of nothing? Sure, Jan. Sure, Jan. Uh-huh.
00:38:38
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And then finally, there's one here. It's kind of a longer quote. So I'm just going to read it verbatim. This is from Dartmouth from 2012. I've heard this one before. Yeah, this is this. Yeah, this is terrible. A girl who is rushing Kappa Kappa Gamma.
00:38:54
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I was blindfolded with two of my fellow pledges. We were guided into the backseat of a car and one of our future sisters commanded us to chug the alcoholic punch that had been pre-prepared for each of us in individual 64 ounce water bottles. Jesus God almighty.
00:39:16
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Simultaneously, I was handed numerous vodka shots from the older sister sitting in the front seat. After what couldn't have been more than a 15-minute drive, I was told to get out of the car. I did, but then I lost all consciousness. I woke up in the following morning in the intensive care unit at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center. I later learned that three other girls had also been admitted, each having overdosed on alcohol due to hazing rituals.
00:39:42
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fellow pledges and one was pledging another sorority sigma delta. I had bruises and cuts all over my body. Two of my teeth were broken and I was intubated and restrained. The doctor informed me that I had entered the hospital with a .399 blood alcohol content. I soon learned that a .4 blood alcohol content is possibly coma and death. I was literally one sip of alcohol away from dying. Wow.
00:40:12
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Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. That is so insane. And we wonder why we have alcoholism problems in this country, but whatever. It's sororities fall completely. Only them. That's terrifying. I mean, look, like everything else, it's the good with the bad. And if you don't have people that are really controlling this stuff, bad stuff will happen. It's a bunch of kids. It's a bunch of kids pretending to be adults and they're not yet.
00:40:40
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They're not. And all I will say to people, you know, and I doubt we have listeners, very many listeners that are like college age, but whatever. You have a choice and you can choose not to participate in these awful things if it doesn't make you feel good. Like it's it's as simple as that. And you know what? It's going to feel shitty for maybe like two minutes that you don't get to participate or you're not part of the club. But at the end of the day,
00:41:10
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It's your life, baby. You know what, Andrew? It's not even the end of the day. You know what it is? It's the next morning when you feel fine and everyone else doesn't. That's sororities. Well, I can't wait to go pledge myself. But before we do that, Andrew, we're going to go on to one of our most beloved segments next, and that is what you've been watching, bitch.
00:41:33
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Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat. Welcome back. It's time for what you've been watching, bitch. What you've been watching, you sorority pledge bitch.
00:41:52
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I feel like most sorority people have probably heard that. I know. I know. It's like I was a hazing them. Oh, no. All right. So this is the part of the episode where we talk about what we've been watching. I mean, we've been watching a lot and we had a month off. So I had to cull down my list a little bit here.
00:42:12
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But we'll get into it. Matty, what you been watching, bitch? Yeah, I had to remember. I was like, wait, what did I watch? I take notes. I have to have a thing. This year, I have been really religious about using my letterbox account. I watched something and I immediately review it right away and put it in my blog and my diary and all of it.
00:42:33
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But for a good part of our hiatus, I was traveling. I was traveling for half of it. So like, I don't know, when I travel back to the States, my brain just kind of goes haywire and I get I get disorganized with some things and that happened with this. So anyways, the first thing that I've been watching was this.
00:42:52
Speaker
And it was actually the night after we recorded our last episode, I went to the theater to go see it, which was probably a bad idea, because I was pretty tired. But I went and saw Oppenheimer at the theater. I saw Oppenheimer, the 35 millimeter screening, saw it at Lighthouse here in Dublin, where I see everything. I should have stopped saying it, honestly. And it was, girl, they want to pay us. I know, right? I do love you, Lighthouse. You want a little sponsorship. Come on board.
00:43:20
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literally mention you in every episode. Anyways, Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer saw it 35 millimeter. I'm just gonna say this first. I'm gonna guess that a lot of you out there have already seen it, but if you haven't seen it, please do make this a thing you'd go see at the theater before it's gone. Don't wait to watch it on your little TV.
00:43:43
Speaker
I'm sure you got a great TV. That's awesome for you. But go see it in the fucking theater. You need to. It's so cool. And if you can get a 35 millimeter or a 70 millimeter viewing, even better. I loved it. I thought it was a really great film. I went to go see this at 9 o'clock screening. It is not a short movie. I'm just going to tell you that. And I was there for it. I was up for the whole thing. So I was pretty proud of myself.
Film Reviews: 'Oppenheimer', 'Talk to Me', and '45 Years'
00:44:12
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Oppenheimer is the story of J. Robert Oppenheimer, the famous physicist who essentially formed the team that created the atomic bomb that was launched on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II in Japan.
00:44:29
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It's the story of him doing that, basically. That's all that this is. You know, I knew a little bit about his life story before this, but not a ton. And I certainly did not know all the drama surrounding it. Like, I mean, obviously there's huge drama. Like, this guy made
00:44:48
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I mean, if you think about human history, you can think about human history as before the atom bomb and after the atom bomb, basically, because it is that big of a discovery and an invention in what humans know and how we have learned ways to destroy each other. So there's certainly drama in that, I get it. But the drama, the political drama around him, I had no idea about any of that shit.
00:45:13
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And so it plays out just amazingly because really what Oppenheimer is, is a courtroom drama in the end. And I didn't expect that. So I thought that was really surprising. Obviously, Kelly Murphy was fantastic. But I'll tell you who might almost steal the show here, Robert Downey Jr.
00:45:33
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Man, he is fucking fantastic in this movie. And if he doesn't get the Oscar for it, I don't know. No one should win because he was fucking amazing in this movie. So that's my little take on it. I thought it was wonderful. If you haven't seen it, you should. And that's it. See you in the theater. Oppenheimer.
00:45:52
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Yeah, between this and Barbie, I have heard so many opinions on these two films that are so wide reaching that I think everyone just owes it to themselves to go watch it and form their own opinions. Don't inform your own.
00:46:07
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My first one is Adam Eats the 80s. This was a random one that we turned on and literally I could not stop. I watched all 10 episodes in one day. This was originally on Discovery Plus, which now has been kind of dissolved and is now available on like Disney Plus and Hulu. I watched it on Hulu, but you can watch it on, I think a lot of them. But it's, I don't know if you remember the guy who used to do man versus food.
00:46:34
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uh kind of yeah um so he is doing this documentary series just all about like 80s food because like 80s food was fucking weird man it's like when gushers came out and it was weird like it it was just it was goober goober grape
00:46:52
Speaker
And what he does is he goes back and rediscovers all these things. There's one episode where he devotes all to Big League Chew and how Big League Chew came to be. And he actually goes to the original kitchen in a suburban house where they baked the first version of Big League Chew, which was root beer flavored. Oh my God, root beer flavored.
00:47:17
Speaker
And he goes to the original Auntie Ann's and sees how they made the original pretzel. He goes to... I can't stand the Amish. The Amish freaked me out. He goes to the original Domino's and how that all came to be. Did you know that Pizza Hut, the personal pan pizza was originally meant for executives on the go, not for children? I did know that, actually. Yeah.
00:47:40
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like it's just it's all this like fascinating stuff so if you like like weird like food history which i think is just like fascinating because of like that's fun that like did you know that like for years there was no red and m&m because they didn't know if red dye number two was causing cancer oh my god like there's like weird stuff of all the things of all the things
00:48:02
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So if you like that kind of stuff like I do and get kind of nerdy about it, it's a really fun little show. What I will say about it is it is kind of hilarious because there are these collectors out there that have been saving these candies and these cereal boxes and all this stuff from the 80s. They literally still have it sealed and everything. And I don't know what kind of deal they made with Discovery Plus at the time or whatever, but
00:48:28
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He opens all those packages and eats them into like a different, uh, some of them have lost all their tastes. Some of them still taste the same, but it's to watch these collectors that have had these items for probably 30 years and just come in and open them. It's just like, Oh my God, you can kind of see the slow trickle of a little tear come down their face. But, um, that that's Adam eats the eighties. Wow.
00:48:55
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My next one is called Talk to Me, another one I saw in the theater. Talk to Me is the latest A24 horror film. This is from the Filippo, I'm not sure how to pronounce their name, brothers. And this one is scary. I'm going to tell you that right now. Talk to Me is
00:49:16
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It's like a little movie. It's I don't know. It's so many things. It's it's primarily a movie about how fucking dumb kids are. I would say that. Well, we just talked about that for the last 30 minutes. Yeah. And like, I mean, like kids are God bless kids. We were all kids once. Kids are fun. Kids are cute. You know, all the rest of the shit. But also like kids are annoying and kids are fucking stupid. And this is a great movie about how fucking dumb they really are.
00:49:44
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And it centers around i won't give you any spoilers but if you've seen the trailer you know a good deal of it already talk to me is about. This like group of kids in australia and like they're kind of friends there there there it's a weird motley crew of people but they all like live in the same place and they all kinda hang out together whatever.
00:50:07
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And somehow, this new party trick has caught on TikTok, right? And it's this fucking hand. And this hand gets brought to parties and you hold onto the hand and you say, talk to me.
00:50:24
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And when you say talk to me, you see some dead motherfucker in front of you, and then you fucking get possessed. That's what the movie's about. It's a crazy concept. It's crazy. It's absolutely wacky. But let me tell you, this movie fucking cooks from the beginning. The opening scene is insane. And there is a scene, oh my God, I can think of it right now. There is one scene, I mean, look, God, Andrew, think about all the fucked up shit you and me have watched over the years, right?
00:50:53
Speaker
There is this scene, I was, I yelped in the theater and I had to, I had to hide my face. I couldn't look at the screen. I couldn't look at the screen. It's so like the movie is like gory in, in, in, in small ways that cause you to do that, you know? And it's scary enough that like you leave thinking about it a little bit.
00:51:15
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But I think maybe one of the scariest parts of it is just once again thinking about how incredibly easily influenced children are to do things that they think are cool or popular or that seem a little bit risky, a little bit adventurous.
00:51:35
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just the things that they will do even though they know that they shouldn't do it and how much damage they can cause to themselves when they do that or when they encourage each other to do it. It's like the Bloody Mary effect, you know what I mean? I think that's a great way to put it.
00:51:53
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So this film deals with a lot. I'll leave it there, but I highly recommend it. I think that they did a fine job with this. 99% of the time, A24 is gonna hit it out of the ballpark and they did it yet again. This one, you don't have to see in the theater. I think you could see it at home, but I will definitely see it again when it comes on streaming.
00:52:12
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited to check this out. I've been really, really bad about getting to the theater this summer just with everything going on. You got that new Alamo in Chicago. What are you doing? I know, but it's an ugly bill. Oh my God. Now I'm mad at both of you. Get your lazy asses down there and go to that beautiful place. I'm so mad that I don't have it. Three times you should be there more. God, I'm mad now.
00:52:38
Speaker
Parking there is awful. That's all I'll say. Jesus, get a taxi. Fuck. All right. My next one is Twisted Metal, which is on Peacock. If you are a child of a certain age, you at least played Twisted Metal 2 on PlayStation. This was a cousin sit around the... We all played this. I don't know. Do you have any experience with this video game?
00:53:02
Speaker
No, because it was was that a PlayStation game? Yes. Yeah, that's that's why I don't have an experience. I didn't have a PlayStation. I didn't, but my cousins did. Oh, I was I was a Nintendo 64 kid. Yeah. So Twisted Metal, essentially, when it comes to the game is just about like these different cars that have like different abilities that all fight against each other. That's that's that's the game. And they turn it into this TV show that
00:53:29
Speaker
I was kind of like, is this going to be stupid, like going into it? And then I was like, you know what, just give it a chance. And like, honestly, if you are a horror person and if you have any sort of resemblance to this game, you got to watch the show because it was actually really, really good. And I'm sad because it came out literally a week after the actors went on strike. And so nobody promoted it.
00:53:56
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And so you have actors like Anthony Mackie, who's a huge Marvel guy. You have actresses like Nev Campbell that just never were able to go out there and really promote it on any sort of level. So I think it kind of fell a little bit flat. And on top of that being on Peacock, which not everybody has access to, but if you do have access to Peacock, I would highly recommend that you check out Twisted Metal because it was actually pretty good. And they left it on a pretty good cliffhanger that I really hope that it gets a season two.
00:54:27
Speaker
That sounds like fun. That's really good. Neve Campbell was really good in it too. Oh, sweet. Neve Campbell. We'll talk more about her later. Um, my next film is called 45 years. Um, I watched 45 years last night actually, and I did so because I went on Twitter and I asked some of our followers, Hey, has anyone watched anything that is sort of newish or at least kind of recent that, that really scared them?
00:54:53
Speaker
And I got a bunch of different options, but the one that seemed to be the sort of the odd man out was this movie called 45 Years. And I forget who told me, but they were like, this is one of the best slow burn thrillers I've seen in a long time. I was like, oh, that's right up my alley. So 45 Years was directed by Andrew Hay. And Andrew Hay is the same guy that directed the movie Weekend. Did you see that?
00:55:21
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the gay movie right yes uh-huh yeah yeah yeah yeah so he's that that's what he's probably most famous for among some other things and Andrew Hayes he's a he's a great director I think weekend is one of my favorites I thought it was that it was really good and this has a really great cast as well Charlotte Rampling who's just fucking fantastic and everything and Tom Courtney they headed up as this husband and wife and
00:55:45
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who are coming together to, well, they're already together, they're planning this big party for their 45th anniversary, right? And so, like, their kids are there and all these friends are there and all this other shit and blah, blah, blah, blah, there you go. And this is not a spoiler, I promise. In the first moments of the movie, the husband gets a letter, right? And the letter,
00:56:08
Speaker
is that they found the body of the person that he loved before this woman, right? And so it's 45 years later, or probably 47 years later, and his first love, they have found her body that was frozen in the ice in the Alps. And so the movie, I know, right? And the movie just unfolds from there.
00:56:31
Speaker
And I'm not going to tell you any more about it. I just think it's a movie that is very much worth seeing. It is slow. If you don't like slow movies, then don't fucking watch it. But if you like that kind of thing, let me tell you, you should watch it. It's not terrifying for sure. And it's not so much of a thriller. But I will say that the end is worth it. And just watching this all sort of play out
00:56:55
Speaker
while they're planning this big party, all these things are happening. And then you learn this bombshell information because she learns a whole lot of shit in the course of this. I really enjoyed it. So whoever you are that mentioned it to me, I can't remember right now for the fucking life of me. Thank you for mentioning 45 years. I will probably watch it again.
00:57:16
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Is this, sorry, I may have missed it. Is this a newer movie or? Oh yeah, good point. This is, it's from 2015. So it's not new, but it's not all that old either. And by the way, I watched it on Criterion channel, but I think it's also on Netflix, I'm pretty sure. And I think it's on Netflix. So if you have Criterion for sure, but I think Netflix too.
00:57:35
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You can download this great app called Just Watch and it will tell you where everything is listed. My next one is The Blackening, which is another one that kind of came and went and I just didn't get a chance to go to the theater to see it. So when it came out for that, we have this amazing thing now in the US. I'm not sure how it's working over there, but we're like about four weeks after the movie comes out in theaters, you can watch it for 20 bucks at home.
00:58:00
Speaker
And this is a product of the pandemic, but it has continued on. And I was gladly willing to pay the $20 to watch this movie because I was going to go see it in the theater anyway. This movie centers on a group of friends that are out at a cabin in the woods.
00:58:16
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typical scary movie type thing. But they find this game called The Blackening and it's all from like it's a board game from like slavery times and it's not great, but they like start to play it. And I should say that they're all black themselves, obviously from the movie called The Blackening. There's black people in it. I don't know what else to say this, but but the thing about this is it's kind of a little bit more of a satire. It's kind of a little bit more of a comedy.
00:58:44
Speaker
But the people that are in this, I mean, you'll notice these people, you know, it had the one woman from the HBO show. I'm blanking out the name right now. But there's a lot of like very familiar faces that are all hilarious, but you've never seen them all come together and like do a movie like this before.
00:59:03
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I don't want to
00:59:19
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There was much more depth to it than I saw on the surface because going into it, I thought we were going into like scary movie territory. And I mean, scary movie, like, you know, the old scary movies. But it's a much it's much deeper than that. And it's much more funny than that. It's good. So, yeah, if you get a chance, I think it will probably be for like five or six bucks coming up soon and maybe even going to like Showtime or something soon. So you might have a chance. But definitely give the blackening a watch. It was really, really funny. Cool.
00:59:49
Speaker
Uh, my last one is one that I really hated and I want to tell you all about it. Um, I can't, I can't tell you how much I hate this fucking show. I watched hijack on Apple TV plus. Um, no, okay. Apple TV plus is sort of like half and half there. Half of the shows are really good. Like silo, for example, incredible show. They did such a great job with it. I'm even reading the books right now, the wool series. Um, and then there are shows like hijack, which are utter shit.
01:00:15
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So Hijack should have been a great fucking show. It is a show about a hijack, a plane being hijacked. That's what it is. And it stars a lot of great people. Primarily, it stars fucking Idris Elba, who plays the main character on this. Idris Elba fucking rocks in nearly everything that he does. So I was all on board for Hijack, ready for. But there's some other great people in it too. Ben Miles is in it.
01:00:41
Speaker
uh eve miles and you know a scattering of other people that you kind of know from like british television kind of thing right or like or like movies um hijack the best way that i can describe hijack because it's about a hijack that's that's it it's it's fucking 10 episodes about a plane being hijacked and maybe they're gonna maybe they're gonna crash it into london maybe they're not gonna crash it into london and you'll find out
01:01:03
Speaker
over the course of those 10 fucking hours. Anyways. They're an hour long each. Yeah. Yeah. They're fucking hour long. And the best way I can describe it is by discussing masturbation, quite frankly. It's like you're being edged for 10 hours, right? Like somebody has you tied down to a bed and they're like jerking you off for 10 hours.
01:01:25
Speaker
And then at the end of it, you don't orgasm. You finish the room, but there's literally no orgasm in your body. And you're like, what the fuck was that even for? Because the ending was so fucking stupid. It was so deus ex machina, so worthless, so pathetic. I feel visceral about this show. That's how much I hate it.
01:01:46
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I hated this show. It's so dumb. Do yourself a favor. Don't be like me and suffer through it. Don't do that. Instead, know that you have a choice and watch something else. Hijack. Don't watch it.
01:02:00
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Gosh, I've never heard you be so like, honestly, it was the ending, Andrew. I was like, okay, the ending might just wrap it all up. It might make me feel better. Like it might, it might do that. No is the answer. Oh, that sucks. Sorry.
01:02:17
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My last one is a recommend. So it is red, white and royal blue. I'm watching this tonight. I can't wait. I'm so excited on Amazon Prime this. So I'm going to be I'm going to be totally fair. My review of this is only about the movie. I did not read the book. I didn't even know it was a book. I'm so sorry. I did read the book.
01:02:39
Speaker
Yeah, but so I'm actually interested to hear what your opinion is on it because you did read the book because that seems to be the division online of like who really enjoyed it and who kind of just like was like it was fine. OK, it was if you read the book or not. But I thought that this movie, it starts off super corny. I mean, we're talking like I don't know, I'm trying to compare it to a movie.
01:03:04
Speaker
Oh, I don't know. Like what's someone with Princess Genovia? Like, you know, with like Princess Diaries, you mean? Yeah, Princess Diaries. It kind of starts a little bit like in that lane. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's how you feel at first. But over the course of the movie, it gets more and more adult and more and more like how we see the world as like a certain age of gay people and like
01:03:30
Speaker
I don't know. So the main story is that basically that the President's son and the British Empire's prince
01:03:40
Speaker
fall in love. And it's all about them navigating what that means for them, what that means for the British, that system, what it means for the president system in the US, and how that all evolves and devolves at the same time and how they navigate that. I thought I was going to hate this going into it because it looked super sappy and super
01:04:03
Speaker
I don't know, like bubble gum, but like it and on the surface it is. But like then they throw in these lines where he's like, oh, yeah, my name is he has like four names. I forget what they all are. But like the president's son has like four names because he took both of his parents names. Sure. And he's like, oh, I thought that my name was a mouth or I thought I was a mouthful. And the and the British son goes, you are. And I was like, whoa.
01:04:34
Speaker
But there's like little things like that that make it more adult. And I think a more accessible to maybe people a little bit older like us. But I loved it. I was crying by the end. Yeah. Then I find out. So listeners, you don't know this, but me and Maddie got to hang out while we were on break and we were hanging out with his family and I'm talking to Anna, your niece. Yeah. And I'm talking about red, white and royal blue. And I'm like, I really loved it. And she was like, oh, yeah, I dated that guy.
01:05:02
Speaker
And I was like, I'm like, excuse me? And she goes, yeah, what's his name? His name is Taylor Perez. She's like, yeah, we went to high school together. I dated him and I and I dumped him and I and I looked right at and I looked right at her and I go, why?
01:05:21
Speaker
Oh, that's so good. I forgot about that. That's right. It was so funny. It was like the most random thing. And then I sure enough, I look on his IMDB and he's he's from Indiana, went to his home in Indiana. And I was like, wow, that's a small little world. But yeah, if you haven't watched red, white and royal blue, I think it is right up there with like a love Simon or like, you know, those movies that are like in the in the zeitgeist for like gay people that are really, really accessible and really like
01:05:48
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good for younger generations to watch? Is it a little bit more adult? I wouldn't have a 12-year-old watch it, but I would have a 15-year-old watch it. I'm glad to hear that. I read the book. It was a while ago, and I can't remember the full plot if I'm being honest with you. I know the basics of it, but I can't remember everything that happens.
01:06:11
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And I remember reading the book and crying. And I don't remember exactly why, but I mean, clearly it touched me. So I'm glad to hear that this was a good one for you because I'm hoping that it is for me, too. Yeah. So that will do it for what you've been watching, bitch. Maddie brought us. Oh, I almost said Oppenheimer. That is that's my Michigan accent coming in.
01:06:34
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Oppenheimer, talk to me, which are both at the cinema currently, 45 years, which you can find on the Criterion Channel, and Hijack, which you shouldn't watch on Apple TV+. Oh my God, someone needs to make a joke about Midwest people saying, oh, Einheimer. And Andrew brought us Adam Eats the 80s on Hulu, Twisted Metal on Peacock, the Black and Een, which you can get on demand, and Red, White, and Royal Blue on Amazon Prime.
01:06:59
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So folks, we'll take a break here and come back with our first film in the episode, Killer Party.
01:07:35
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I just had to pay. Tell them the birds have vaccines. Thank you! Everyone wants to know what they're doing. You got your vaccine against the law.
01:08:19
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I don't know about you, Andrew, but I'm still hungover from that killer party. Do you like that one? Is that funny enough? It's pretty good, not bad. Tell us all about the 1986 masterpiece, Killer Party.
01:08:33
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by the end of the dance, some of the sorority sisters were dead on their feet. Three sorority pledges are tasked with ensuring that the gals of Sigma Alpha Pi throw a killer party at an abandoned fraternity house. Unfortunately, a vengeful spirit decides to take the killer epithet
01:08:53
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Literally, directed by William Fruitt, written by Barney Cohen. Production company and distribution was handed by Polar Entertainment, Telecom Entertainment, Marquee, and MGM. Blake is played by Martin Hewitt. Martin is played by Ralph Seymour. Phoebe is played by Elaine Wilkes. Professor Zito is played by Paul Bartel, which you've seen in A Million Things and you still don't know what he's from. Vivia is played by Sherry Willis Birch. Veronica is played by Alicia Fleer.
01:09:23
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Harrison is played by Woody Brown and Jennifer is played by Joanna, or I should say an introducing, because that's what they do in the credits, an introducing Joanna Johnson. Like she was going to be a huge star because of Killer Party. This is Rated R. It came out on May 9th of 1986. It comes in at 91 minutes. Most locations were in and around Toronto and Ontario.
01:09:48
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Made in Canada, obviously. Maddie, this was a first time watch for me. What was this a first time watch for you as well?
01:09:56
Speaker
It was. Yeah. And also, by the way, I couldn't find any budget information on this thing anywhere, but I just, I know it was low budget. So there's that for you. Um, yeah, it was a first time watch for me. Um, didn't really know what to expect. And that sort of kept on throughout the entire film. If I'm being honest, especially the first 15 minutes where I didn't know what movie. Yeah. It was sort of like, uh, there was a movie in a movie and then there was like a, uh, like a music video within a movie. And you're like,
01:10:26
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Is this is this like a musical review? Is that what we're doing now? But that's not what it is. Killer Party is about three sorority three sorority pledges about to call them sisters who just are trying to get into the fucking sorority, man. And so they get tasked with doing some stupid shit, kind of the stuff like we were talking about earlier, to be honest with you.
01:10:48
Speaker
And it's kind of ridiculous. Yeah. For instance, they are laid. They lay down on the ground and sorority sisters crack raw eggs into their mouth and they have to burn. No reason. And then they have to spit them back up into a cup afterwards. That's just the level of weird hazing shit that goes on at the what the Sigma Alpha Pi sorority house. Yeah. I mean, it's just like it's stuff that doesn't make any sense.
01:11:19
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I don't know. You know, I think I wasn't the biggest fan of this movie, to be honest. And, you know, I think from what I can tell, because I also don't really know much about it besides, you know, the fact that I just watched it and I've done a little bit of the sort of the surface level of research. I think that there's there's definitely a good cadre of people in the horror community who really do love this. And I sometimes wonder if that's just because they love 80s slasher 80s slashers in general. And this one just fits in so well to that.
01:11:48
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I think, you know, I was watching another, what do you call it, like video podcast thing today, just to get some other thoughts about it from other people. And there was this guy that does a video podcast called Drum Dums, which I had never heard of before.
01:12:03
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But it's not a terrible little video podcast and he was talking about this in terms of like the acts of it and how it doesn't really become like the thing doesn't really happen to the third act.
01:12:18
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And by then you're kind of like, what? That's just how? What's going on? And I guess I would maybe sort of agree with that in some ways. I think that it ends in a way that you're not really expecting because you're just not. I thought it might take one direction and it ended up being the possession direction. I don't know if you... Did you feel that way too at all?
01:12:43
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Yeah, I thought that maybe we were getting like I wasn't sure if we were getting like a slasher or if we were going to get like a ghost. So I was like I was kind of like leaning in different directions there. There's a couple of clues early on in the movie, specifically with Mrs. Henshaw and Professor Zito, where they kind of turn to the camera, which is kind of like the killer's point of view. And they're like, what are you doing here?
01:13:09
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And so I should have put two and two together, but I didn't. And so it's kind of on me at the end of the day. Yeah, I guess. But even that being said, there's an awful lot going on in this movie. Oh my god, so much. There's frankly a lot to keep track of. And another thing that I was watching from somebody else, they were like, I feel like I know all the people's names after I watch this. I was like, I don't.
01:13:34
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There's so many people. That's where I'm going to disagree wholeheartedly because all of these all of these people apart from our main three sorority sisters all looked the same. And I could not tell you who was who. Exactly. Our main three girls. I mean, of course, I mean, if you don't know who they are at the end, you didn't watch the movie, but everybody else like absolutely not. I don't I don't remember any of their names. You know, I tell you who I'll tell you who I do remember.
01:14:00
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Who's that? And that's Blake. Oh, yeah. Blake action, huh? He was he was pretty cute. I'm not going to. He was very cute. What does Blake ask her to bring down the flashlight?
01:14:11
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Yes. Yes. You know, she, I'm going to tell you one thing that bothered the hell out of me. He asked her to bring down that fucking flashlight. She brings it down. He doesn't use the flashlight. It stays turned off. I don't understand. Well, it's to get her to come down there so he can give her some sweet, sweet kisses. Yeah. I know. But like, shouldn't she just turn it on? Yeah, I agree. It wouldn't help things anyway.
01:14:36
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But yeah, so this is the first time, like I said, a first time watch for me as well. This this was tough because like I didn't realize how many sorority movies we had already done in our arsenal. And so it was kind of like I don't want to say it was a scrape in the bottom of the barrel, but I was kind of like looking for movies that I was like, I hope this is about a sorority because I'm not totally sure.
01:15:00
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Um, but, uh, so I got to killer party. I know I had seen other people like with little reviews on this and I knew it was kind of like, uh, a B, you know, like kind of like a lot of these like Canadian horror movies that maybe didn't make it to the U S or like early nineties or whatever.
01:15:15
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And so I was like, you know what, we've let's watch this. Like, this will be fun. If anything, it'll be stupid. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Exactly.
In-Depth Analysis of 'Killer Party'
01:15:24
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But overall, like it kind of did surprise me. Like I said, there are kind of two false beginnings to this movie. So you have this like kind of almost what I would say is like almost like a Tales from the Crypt episode at the beginning where you have the story about people at a wedding or not at a wedding.
01:15:44
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wedding. Oh, my God. At a funeral where they're mourning the death and the and I don't know if you notice this, but that pastor was obviously so gay. Oh, my God. One thousand percent gay. And the daughter-in-law kind of stays behind and she tells the you know, she tells off the mother-in-law in the coffin. And what happens? The mother-in-law comes alive and pulls her into the casket and she's burned alive.
01:16:13
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And you're like, whoa, what the fuck am I watching? And then you realize, oh, OK, we're at a drive-in. And you're like, OK, well, here's the real start to the movie. We're at a drive-in. And they're watching that movie. And then there's this extended sequence where she goes to go get concessions and do all this stuff. And then it turns out, I think it's what's supposed to be zombies. I wasn't quite sure. Probably, yeah. And then when you think you're in this drive-in horror zombie movie,
01:16:41
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a music video starts from from White Sister called You're No Fool and they just have like this extended like five minute credit sequence of a music video and it's funny because they're talking about April You're No Fool and it's all about April Fool's this entire movie. Look what they did there people.
01:17:03
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What I will tell you that we discovered through a little bit of research that I did is that this movie was originally called April Fool's Day, but there was another little movie slated for 1986 called April Fool's Day, which we've covered on this podcast before.
01:17:20
Speaker
And so they changed it to Killer Party. So that's like just a little bit of kind of the thing around the movie. And then after the music video is done, you learn that Phoebe, one of our main three girls, is actually watching that music video on TV. So it's kind of like this like, Jesus Christ, is the movie starting now?
01:17:39
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But yeah, overall, I had fun with this movie. It's not going to be for everybody. It's kind of in a weird way, a slow burn, which is not a slow burn in what we know, because it's kind of just like for I don't know, I would what would you say for the next like 60 minutes of the movie, you're kind of just like following the lives of these
01:18:01
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sorority girls and like their day to day and like getting kicked out of class. And there's this one really weird guy, Martin, who's always trying to sexually assault Jennifer. Martin is fucking weird. Well, and he ends up like with Vivian, but he constantly wants to go after Jennifer. I know he's like classic weird. I mean, this is like meatballs level of like
01:18:26
Speaker
like uh weird dudes like wanting weird stuff from you know what i mean agreed um i i do i did like uh the sequence where you think that they're being haunted and vivia is in the guillotine and she gets her head chopped off but not really um i thought that that was all done really well because i was like whoa oh we're getting like a haunting movie now and then it turns out it's an april fool's day joke
01:18:53
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I will say the one thing that didn't really connect for me on the ending is I still don't really understand why the spirit came back. I don't get it either. They say in the movie it's because she played the pranks and that because he died in a prank, you sounded a demon.
01:19:12
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But then they say it summoned a demon, not the spirit of the fraternity brother who died. And even with a fraternity brother that died, we don't really get the whole story. So the question just lingers. It's sort of just like, why in general for so much of it? Well, and even we get, towards the beginning of the movie, we get Mrs. Henshaw, who is their sorority mother. It was an incident.
01:19:38
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Yeah, and she goes to the grave and she's like talking to the grave like she knows who he was, but we never get the full story about that because she dies in the next scene. So right. It's it's a little bit this movie. The best way I can put it is it's a little bit scattered and then they give you kind of this like.
01:19:55
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Like literally, I'm not joking with you. If you've not seen this movie, I would say probably 12 people die in a 10 minute sequence. They knock them off one by one, like right after another. One of my favorites being the guy who gets the spear gun up his bon jodio.
01:20:14
Speaker
Yeah, bun, holy hell. Remember in Salem, there was bun, bun, whole liqueurs, remember that? Yeah, yeah. Some, some, some little things that I took out of this. I loved Mrs. Henshaw when she's talking about the girls. She's like, oh, they're, they're so sweet, so sincere, so sorority.
01:20:32
Speaker
I thought that was sorority. I thought that that was a good line. The music in this was pretty choice. I will say that I'm trying to remember. Well, there was there was one song. What's the one song in it? These are the best times of our lives. Yeah. Well, well, there's that, of course. But then there's another song that's actually popular. Oh, I didn't write this down. Damn it. Oh, but there was one song that I was like, I wonder how they got the rights for that in this movie. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know what it was.
01:21:01
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I thought the one scene where they are in the sorority slash fraternity meeting and Professor Zito is taking over as leader of that. Professor Zito, what a professor indeed and what a name for this man. I said when I was reading the credits, that actor has been a teacher in literally 17 things. When you do it right, you do it right.
01:21:24
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Um, I loved when he was like, you know, he's going on about like, I'm so happy to be joining this, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden he's just like, and now you're really film on dangers of hazing. Just like, it's just like the way he delivers funny. Um,
01:21:38
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I'm trying to think of other things. Oh, this, this is the, the weirdest exchange in this movie is between Vivian and Martin. And they're making out in his convertible while Jennifer is getting, it's like the cringiest make out scene you've ever seen. And he's continuously looking up at like Jennifer's window, um, because she's maybe getting dressed or whatever. Um, and, and,
01:22:02
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Martin says to Vivian, he goes, you taste so sensuous. And Vivian goes, oh, I know, I gargle with musk. And I was like, it doesn't even make any sense, you fucking weirdo. I have in my notes, I did have my notes, I'm like guillotine titles are fun. Like that kind of set things up at the very beginning, like when it just says like killer party and then like does the guillotine down and I thought that that was fun.
01:22:32
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I think most of my notes I've kind of said this is kind of a straightforward movie. That's just the thing. I mean, if we're being honest and look, it's not like you and I are not like film geniuses over here and they don't get us wrong. But there's not all that much to say about killer party. I mean, it's literally about a killer party.
01:22:49
Speaker
I mean, I was I will say I did not expect this movie to end on a like a like a down note because it is like it is like such like an 80s romp that I expected like kind of like Night of the Demons at the end of the night. The two people walk away and everything's good. You know, at the end of this, it was where she basically what happens is, you know, for people that haven't seen this is that Phoebe ends up stabbing Jennifer, who Jennifer then
01:23:19
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possessed by the demon and or ghost of a fraternity brother. Whatever it is 10 years ago. And so Phoebe stabs her and then Vivian is very injured at this point and she's crawling on the ground and then Phoebe is then and you know, they never they do have like a runaway line with Jennifer where they say, oh, she was possessed by him because she was the only one that didn't want to be at this party.
01:23:48
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And I was like, what? Like, did she? What sort of rule is that? Like, yeah. But then we throw those rules out right out the window because then Phoebe becomes possessed by the ghost slash demon. Yeah. But I did think, though, that that ending scene was pretty like sinister because I would I would I would agree with you like her getting into that ambulance with the demon possessed girl like
01:24:16
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You know, it's certainly it's haunting. It's scary. And the only thing I would say, though, is that the tone of it is different from the rest of the film. So it becomes it becomes very atonal because you're just it's it's not what the rest of the film was at all. So it certainly ends on a striking note, but it's just that striking note comes out of nowhere.
01:24:36
Speaker
Well, and then what starts to play right after that is these are the best times of our lives. What's the best way you would describe that song? Kind of like maybe like Go-Go's? Yeah. I mean, sort of Go-Go's, it sounds like a chorus of girls who are supposed to sound like a chorus of girls. Do you know what I mean? It's produced in that way.
01:24:59
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Mm hmm. And like the style of the song, I guess would be go go ish. That that makes sense to me. I will say the first couple of times where we get an inclination that Jennifer is possessed or kind of hilarious, where she she goes cross eyed and she does listen that they they take what The Exorcist did and they do it a different way. Yeah.
01:25:27
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It's the only way I can describe it. You have to watch the movie to understand. But she essentially goes around going. It's so gross. Yeah, by the end of it, I was like, OK, we get it. Like you can stop spitting all over the place now, but.
01:25:43
Speaker
Overall, I think that a lot of these 80s movies that we watch on this podcast, it's kind of like, yeah, it's enjoyable. Is it a good movie? Probably not, but is a certain audience going to really probably dig it and have fun with it? Yeah, I think you hit it on the head right there. I'll give you my rating and my takeaway right now because it goes right with that and it's this.
01:26:10
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And I said, you know, it's it's a slow burn of an 80s slasher. And while slow burns usually appeal to me, this one isn't it. And my other my other thought there is this. I think that a lot of times 80 slashers get away with murder. I thought joke because they're 80 slashers. Do you know what I mean?
01:26:27
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And so I think that if you're a big 80s slasher person, you're gonna love this and you're gonna be fine with it. I just think that if you're not so much, which I'm not so much, you're gonna see and go, oh, okay, I gave it a three and a half.
01:26:42
Speaker
Yeah, I said there is a lot of movie in this movie. That is another great way to put it. Pacing might be a little against it, but the weirdness kept me going. And the final payoff, I kind of loved it. And I'm talking about the end that we talked about. Right, right. I gave it a four point five. Listen, I get more enjoyment out of this kind of movie than Maddie does. And so I think that if you more fall in line with maybe how how I like movies, right?
01:27:06
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You'll maybe love this, and if you fall in line with maybe how Maddie likes movies, you might think it's just kind of like Middle Road. But that does it for Killer Party. We'll take our next break, and we'll be right back to introduce a franchise in the sequel.
Exploring 'Scream 2' and Its Impact
01:27:25
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Scream 2.
01:27:26
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Two Windsor College students were murdered last night during a sneak preview of the new movie, Stab. Starting again, Randy. This has nothing to do with us. Randy, a guy in a ghost mask hacked up two people in the movie theater telling our life story. Hi, Gail Weathers, author of the Woodsboro Murders. Do you think the killer will strike again?
01:27:43
Speaker
I have no evidence that this is a serial killer. It's a classic case of life, imitating art, imitating life. Are you suggesting that someone's trying to make a real-life sequel? Do you think someone's trying to duplicate Woodsboro? It looks like it. I think you have a copycat on your hands, G. Hello? Hello, Sydney. Remember me? What do you want?
01:28:13
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The police are everywhere. There is some freaked-out psycho trying to follow in Billy Loomis' footsteps. You probably already know. The way I see it, someone's out to make a scene. So it's our job to observe the rules of the scene. Number one, body count is always bigger. Number two, death scenes are always much more allowed. I just want to sit here and wait and see who drops next. I'm not interrupting anything, am I?
01:29:04
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Was that a whale? No, I think it was a scream. Matty, tell us all about Scream 2. Someone has taken their love of sequels one step too far.
01:29:16
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Two years after the terrifying events that occurred in Woodsboro, Sydney is now attending Windsor College in Ohio, and Gail Weather's best-selling book on Sydney's life has now been made into a major motion picture. When two college students are killed in a theater while watching the new film, Stab, Sydney knows deep down that history is repeating itself.
01:29:40
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Scream 2 was directed by Wes Craven, written by Kevin Williamson, produced by Conrad Pictures, Craven Madelena Films, Dimension, and distributed by Dimension Films. Maureen was played by Jada Peekett Smith. Phil was played by Omar Epps. Sydney Prescott by Nev Campbell. Hallie by Elise Neal. Cotton Weary by Liev Schreiber. Mickey by Timothy Oliphant. Randy Meeks by Jamie Kennedy. Derek by Jerry O'Connell. Hi, Jerry.
01:30:09
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Gail Weathers by Courtney Cox, Joel by Dwayne Martin, Debbie Salt by Lori Metcalf, Dewey Riley by David Arquette, Cece by Sarah Michelle Geller, Sorority Sister Lois by Rebecca Gayhart, and Sorority Sister Murphy by Portia de Rossi. The film is rated R. It was released December 10th of 1997. It's 120 minutes long. It was filmed at Agnes Scott College in Decatur, Georgia and a couple of places in LA.
01:30:39
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I made in the USA of course, budget was $24 million and came in with a whopping $172 million gross. Scream franchise is one hell of a money maker.
01:30:54
Speaker
Yes, indeed. Obviously, I don't think this was a first time watch for either of us. No, not at all. I've probably seen this movie 47 times, but that's neither here nor there. No, this was actually the first scream that I saw in the theaters. I remember going to going to see this with my uncle when it came out. How did you see the scream one?
01:31:18
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like renting it on tape or whatever from Blockbuster or whatever. I think I was just a little too young that somebody would have taken me. Not super young. I obviously rented it, but nobody was willing to take me to the first one. But when this second one came out,
01:31:35
Speaker
I knew I had to see it. And obviously seeing that my girl Sarah Michelle Geller was in it in the previews, I was like, well, I have to see this movie because this is like peak Buffy time in that kind of that. And then in the same year, she had I know you did last summer. So yeah, year for her. But overall, I'm not going to lie. Scream 2 is probably one of my favorites, if not my favorite in the franchise.
01:32:01
Speaker
And it was interesting this time because there were things that I picked up on this movie this time around, even though I watched it, like I said, I'm probably 47 times that I hadn't really picked up on before. And most of that is in the writing, which is obviously Kevin Williamson. Kevin Williamson, famously gay man. So listen, all you fucking horror people out there that don't like gay people. So he's responsible for all the scrapes. Exactly. You fucking assholes. Get the fuck out. Get the fuck out.
01:32:29
Speaker
Um, but, uh, there were things in it. So there are many, many points in the movie where either mommy issues, mom left town, like little things to where you're like, Oh, he's like, he's edging us to get to the mom ending. But I had never really picked up on it before. Like.
01:32:49
Speaker
When Randy is talking to the killer on the phone and he goes, Billy was a pussy mama's boy and then he gets pulled into the van and is killed. Oh, I didn't think about that either. Then there's the point where they're watching the clip of this new stab movie and it's like a promotional clip in Tori Spelling, which that's a really funny joke from the first movie because City Prescott says in the first movie, they probably get somebody like Tori Spelling to play me.
01:33:17
Speaker
And they do get Tori's spelling, but they're watching this clip on the TV and the clip is of Billy and Sydney having their standoff in the hallway where she said, your mom left town. She's not in a coffin somewhere. And I was like, there's another mom reference.
01:33:34
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There's all these little mom references that I think are really smartly woven in to make you understand by the end. You know, Billy's mother is obviously, you know, spoiler alert, one of the killers. What's interesting about this movie is that in the time that Scream 2 came out, and then I'll let you kind of say what you want to say, like with your initial thoughts, there were a lot of different screenplays for this because this was the weird time in the Internet where like leaking stuff
01:34:03
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was big business, like leaking nudes, leaking little sex tapes. And the Scream 2 original screenplay got leaked. And so they had to change the ending and change some things up so that people didn't know who the second killer was. I think that Billy's mother was always meant to be one of the killers. What I learned is that originally, Hallie was actually the other killer.
01:34:30
Speaker
Oh, no way. Yeah. So that's and but when you watch the movie, you kind of understand where they could take that because who's the only person she takes with her when she goes on her like police sequestered, you know, ride. Yeah, sure. Ali. So that would make a lot of sense, too. And one little anecdote about Ali, because I think she's one of the most disgraced characters in the whole screen franchise, is that when we went to horror hound, Elise Neil was at horror hound.
01:34:58
Speaker
And I went up to her and I said I all I said was Sydney really needed to know and she laughed. Because I just think I just think Hallie's death is so cheap and she goes through like so much and then just to get killed off like right right there. We're in listen, we're in screaming universe. So like you got to give it a little bit of like, well, the killer could be
01:35:20
Speaker
anywhere at any time and they move the power of speed and lightning. So but that's that those are my thoughts. My initial thoughts have a lot more. But Maddie, what did you think of Scream 2? I mean, I love I love I love all the Scream movies. I think each one of them has their own special little thing. And I think Scream 2 is is fantastic for a number of reasons. I think
01:35:44
Speaker
First of all, I think it's just a solid sequel. For being the first sequel in the franchise, it does a fantastic job of continuing on the story in really great ways. I knew it was about the mom, of course, but I hadn't really thought about your astute note on just how expertly that's woven in to the story.
01:36:07
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I think that's really special and it just shows you what a great writer kevin williamson really is because i mean we are all people that love horror so it's easy for us to understand that this is an actual art it's not just some shitty little thing.
01:36:22
Speaker
But I think a lot of people out there that aren't the biggest horror fans don't really think about horror in that way. They don't think about the meticulous nature of the art that goes into it. And in this case, the art of writing and really making something just sort of slow burn throughout the entire script until it finally pops near the end. So just expertly done there.
01:36:44
Speaker
For me, Scream 2 is right in the middle of the Scream series. So for me, I just went to my letterbox list to see how I rank them. It's Scream 1 for me, then Scream 3, then Scream 2, then Scream 6, then Scream 5, then Scream 4. That's how I rank them. So for me, that's a pretty good ranking for Scream 2. There's other parts of this that I really love. Obviously, Jerry O'Connell, hello.
01:37:10
Speaker
Well, we've had on the show. Thank you very much. Yeah. Other podcasts. Have you had Jerry O'Connell? No. And honestly.
01:37:18
Speaker
the best he's ever looked is on Scream 2. I mean, also, Jerry, if you're listening right now, which we know you are, because we know that you love our show. You've never not looked good, by the way. You look good right now, too, Jerry, also. But we're just saying you looked really good right there. And look, Jerry, who didn't look good when they were like that age. Do you know what I mean? So, I mean, I think it's the best Nev Campbell's look, too. I mean, honestly, you're right. Timothy Aldefan was a confined two in this. I mean, like, look, they were all young, right? We're not anymore, are we?
01:37:45
Speaker
Um, we will, we will mourn Portia de Rossi's dark eyebrows. Um, you know, but other things about this are really cool too, right? I mean, like, okay. So obviously they're, they're going to college now. They're out of high school.
01:37:58
Speaker
And like, you know, they get creative with it. Like, you know, Sydney is a theater major and she's in Agamemnon. Like, you know, that's kind of cool. Like, it's weird. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But like, you know, here she is doing this thing. And so you've got to play within a movie that gets played with over and over again within the script. I thought that was really cool and really inventive and really creative.
01:38:21
Speaker
Well, did you notice in both of our movies that we watched a we had movies within movies? Yeah. Oh, that's a really good point. Fair enough. And the other thing that's cool about it, too, is that it introduces stab and stab becomes something that that, you know, flows throughout the rest of this franchise and probably will continue on. And that that's a that's a pretty cool movie within a movie now.
01:38:42
Speaker
And the stab stuff really works, I think. Like you were saying with the Tori Spelling thing and then the other sequels that happened and the other sequels of Scream, it just becomes something that is super meta and gives the story even more to play with.
01:38:59
Speaker
My favorite line in that whole beginning sequence when Heather Graham is playing the main character, my favorite line, it's the way she delivers it and it's just iconic where she goes, you know what? I don't even know you and I dislike you already. Totally.
01:39:16
Speaker
Um, I will say that, you know, this, I mean, like you, I've watched this many times and I don't know how many, but, um, this certainly wasn't my first watch, but on this watch, I was really taken at the start of the movie with how annoying that audience really is. Oh my God. I would never, I would leave.
01:39:33
Speaker
Oh, my God. And how much like I am, there's only one movie theater that I go to in Dublin and it's Lighthouse Cinema. Lighthouse Cinema, when are you going to sponsor us? At some point you will. But I go because I go there specifically because generally people are like really respectful and they like take the movie seriously, whatever that movie might be.
01:39:54
Speaker
They're there to watch the actual movie. Thank you. And every other theater that I've gone to here, that's not the case. And I just can't take that. Like, I can't take people talking in the theater. I can't take people moving around and getting up to fucking go to the bathroom eight times and like just like being on there. Oh, I can't stand it. And if I were in that theater watching fucking stab, I would have stabbed everybody, all of them. I would have been driven to murder myself.
01:40:21
Speaker
So that was funny how viscerally I felt about that too. The ending of this movie is great. I love it when it's Sydney and Gail and their guns blazing. What a shot of just them together looking over fucking Debbie and just with those guns just right there. It's fucking cool. That's awesome.
01:40:46
Speaker
Liev Schreiber is fantastic as Cotton Weary. Liev Schreiber is really never bad in anything. Like he just, he always plays whatever role he's doing. He just does it right. And Cotton Weary brought to life by Liev Schreiber. Could you imagine anyone else in that role? Do you know what I mean? The funny thing is, is that
01:41:06
Speaker
Cotton Weary is like such a small role in the first movie. You could have easily recast anybody that kind of looks like Dave Schreiber to be Cotton Weary in this movie and then continue on into Scream 3. But what they smartly do and what I think is honestly probably the best thing about the Scream series is the continuity of the characters is just so good. Like they just, they keep everybody and I don't know how they did it.
01:41:34
Speaker
Uh, but like to have basically leave Schreiber in the first movie, he's maybe in like two scenes on a TV. You know what I mean? Like he's already been in it. So like to have that actual actor come back to play like this bigger role, I think is just, it's like a high five to West Craven, you know, you know, be still your soul.
01:41:53
Speaker
Like, you know, the other thing too is that that's what's great about, you know, a horror movie, a horror franchise starting off with such a banger like Scream, right? Because it does so well at the box office that then when it comes back for the next one, all the big time actors are like, fuck yeah, sign me up. Let's fucking do this. And then you get this incredible talent that wants to both be in it and come back.
01:42:17
Speaker
And so you have that with the Scream franchise. I think that's a big part of why it's been so good over the past six movies, and yes, I do think all of them are good, is because we've benefited from such great talent coming back because, frankly, they know that the money is there. Look, I could go on and on, but Scream 2 was fucking great.
01:42:41
Speaker
I want to talk about some of my standout characters in this movie. My heroes of the movie are so this first one you may have missed her, but she always stands out to me because there's a bit character in this movie where Sydney and Hallie are in the in the hallway of their dormitory at the beginning. And this girl with all of her acting chops and might
01:43:06
Speaker
to deliver her one line, runs up to the camera and holds her chest and she goes, you turn on the news. It's just like, you knew that that was that girl's biggest day of her life. And it's, it always stands out to me and you know, congratulations to her. She didn't make our, our credits here, but you know, there she is.
01:43:27
Speaker
Um, the other two that I think just kind of almost steal the movie for me and I would love to see just a spin-off movie of just these two women is a sorority sister Lois and sorority sister Murphy played by Rebecca Gayhart and Portia de Rossi. When, when they walk up on the scene, you cannot take your eyes off of them. I love them, Portia de Rossi. I love when she goes, hi. No, I really mean that. Hi.
01:43:56
Speaker
And the way that she, when she first walks up, it's something about the way she's, and I don't know if it's an affectation or whatever, when she goes, I just think it's like, it's just like the funniest fucking thing in the world to me. And when they're talking about harmonica style and my little teenage brain goes to, what the fuck is her harmonica style? And then as a person who has sucked a dick now understands that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I get it. Yeah, totally.
01:44:25
Speaker
I think Laurie Metcalf and where she pops up in this movie. She's so good in this movie. She's fucking, she's spot on. And Michael pointed out to me on this watch if you notice there is one part at the very beginning of the movie where you're following Gail Weathers and she is just slightly in the background giving this look to Gail Weathers. Was she really?
01:44:49
Speaker
Like, if you catch it, you're like, oh, that bitch wants something. Wow. Oh, that's cool. I love it when Gail Weather says to her, listen, local woman. I think that I think that Courtney Cox and David Arquette have the best chemistry that they've ever had in any of these movies in this one.
01:45:15
Speaker
because you can just tell, and obviously there were a couple at this point, so you can just tell that they got eyes for each other. Thank God for that little couple. And thank God that that's something that has lasted throughout the movies because I just love it. I love it. Have we ever talked about this on the show where we were sitting on a landing at Horror Home Weekend?
01:45:38
Speaker
David Arquette came running up the stairs and we were just all three sitting there staring at him and he just looked at us and he was like, Hey guys. We said, what did we say to him? Do you remember what we said? I think you said something along the lines of like, David, we've been expecting you. I think I might've done my joke where I'm like, you're probably wondering why you're here, David. You're fired. I think it is something like that.
01:46:04
Speaker
That's the second time you mentioned Horror Hound when we were there and what was that, 2019 was it? Yeah, something like maybe even 2018. We had such a fun time at that thing. It was a good time.
01:46:14
Speaker
Um, but, and I will say, I think that this movie in terms of chase sequences, I think my rival, maybe any of them except for a Drew Barrymore's in the very first movie, because we get, uh, CC Cooper played by Sarah Michelle Geller and her whole, uh, her whole scene in the sorority house, um, uh, Omega Beta Zeta, which will never get old. I want a t-shirt Omega Beta Zeta, Omega Beta Zeta. And I want it right under it. I want it to say drink with your brain.
01:46:43
Speaker
I was watching Kill Count today. Do you watch Kill Count ever? Occasionally, yeah. Like I said, I like to get a different perspective on things, so I'll sort of just tool around. But the guy that does Kill Count, whatever his name is, he was wearing an Omega Beta Zeta shirt in the video.
01:47:01
Speaker
But did it say drink with your brain underneath? No, no, it only said that. That's the thing you need. And I also want Jerry O'Connell's letters in a necklace. I want Jerry O'Connell. Period. Period. One thing that I thought that stuck out to me this time that I had heard other people comment on, and I guess I didn't even realize how small of a role it was, but what is Joshua Jackson doing here?
01:47:28
Speaker
Joshua. So Joshua Jackson was 18 when when this was going on, wasn't it? And I sort of wonder, because like, did Kevin just like grab him from Dawson's Creek and said, I could just come be in this really quick. I guess that was because Dawson's Creek started what year? It was this time it was. So it was it was 97.
01:47:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that all tracks. I am just guessing that Kevin was like, hey, just come be in this too really quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. It's just funny. And then I know and I'm demanding at some point we get this release that Sisi, Sarah Michelle Geller had other scenes that were cut from the movie. Well, and Sisi also other possibilities for for playing her were Reese Witherspoon and Alicia Silverstone.
01:48:20
Speaker
makes sense. Which makes perfect sense. I'm glad it was Sarah Michelle Geller in the end. I think she had the right tone for it. I think that the other two would have taken it in a different direction. Yeah. I think she plays it a little more smarter than they would have. It makes total sense. I think that they would have played that character dumber.
01:48:41
Speaker
Yeah. And oh, the other thing that I noticed this time around, and this is to alluding to Debbie Salt's character reveal, is that there is a point where Debbie Salt introduces herself to Gail Weathers. Gail Weathers knows, you know, she's seen pictures of Billy Loomis' mother. You know, we learned at the end, she's got had reconstructive surgery and lost weight or whatever. But there was a point where Debbie Salt says, oh, I was at your I was at your convention in Chicago. Yeah, I was at the front row.
01:49:11
Speaker
Yeah. And then Gail Weathers says to her, Oh, I thought you looked familiar. And that is a double entendre to her later reveal. Oh, it's crazy. So I just thought that that was really smart.
01:49:27
Speaker
I don't know if you noticed this, but there is a little cameo by one of our Riverdale parents, Marisol Nichols. Oh, really? Yeah, she is the sorority sister who scares Sarah Michelle Geller and then is like, make sure you set the alarm and leaves. Oh, OK. That's Marisol Nichols who goes on to play Veronica's mother on Riverdale, which I did finish. Thank you very much. I am never going to get there.
01:49:52
Speaker
A little trivia about Scream 2. I didn't know this. The cast were not informed of the identity of the killer until the last day of principal photography.
01:50:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think that that was a result of that leakage of the of the screenplay. Is that wild, though? I mean, imagine like imagine like doing I mean, I've been in plenty of plays before. I can't imagine like not knowing the end of the story until the very last day. That's just crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I will say when we talked to Jerry O'Connell, he actually told us and you can go back and listen to the interview, but he actually told us that he got a lot of flack for his singing scene in the in the cafeteria.
01:50:33
Speaker
which I flat out told him, I'm like, I think that's really endearing part of Derek's character that he would embarrass himself in front of Sydney. And this is the thing that I think that in this movie particularly, I think Sydney Prescott is the smartest and the dumbest she's ever been in the series.
01:50:53
Speaker
Because she makes such like smart decisions on like Going with the police and going into like, you know their care and like having a them follow her around and she's the first one to say like no This is probably us a copycat coming to get us like she does all this stuff But then she does dumb shit Like don't when she's crawling across the killer and she doesn't take off the mask. She waits until their hand
01:51:16
Speaker
way down the street to run back and see who it is. She goes to the theater department instead of the police station when she's at the end. Like, she's equally smart and dumb in this movie. Some dumb moves. And it drives me insane because Jerry O'Connell didn't need to die. Derek could have lived. Jerry O'Connell could have lived. I will say, like, the singing, I mean, like, come on, the singing scene is, and I hate using this word, but it's so cringe. Like, it's so cringe.
01:51:45
Speaker
I think it's doing what it is. It's it's totally endearing and like it's it's sweet and it's good. And I like that's just how it is. I will tell you when you do you do you remember when you were watching this? Did you kind of call any of the killers? No.
01:52:02
Speaker
So, I actually did and I'll tell you exactly when I knew Debbie Salt. I did not structure it that I thought Debbie Salt would be Billy's mother, but I did know that Debbie Salt was one of the killers because there is a moment and it's in the part where
01:52:20
Speaker
Um, she's chasing Gail Weathers through like the recording studio. Um, and there's just a moment where, uh, Gail Weathers throws that shelf and it blocks the door and the ghost face killer can just reach inside with the knife and the, the ferocity that happens right there with the frustration that she can't get to her to kill her and like throwing the chair at the window and all this stuff. I just knew in my brain, I was like, that's that.
01:52:47
Speaker
that's that bitter woman. Wow. And so I didn't call Mickey, I actually, that's the weird thing about Scream 2 and what it's really effective in doing it the first time you watch it is that you kind of forget about Mickey. Like, he's front loaded into the movie quite a bit. And then he's kind of just not a character anymore. And you kind of just are really good about doing that in the
01:53:09
Speaker
Yeah. They're good at making you forget people. But another clue to that, it's Mickey, is that he's the only one with a camcorder. And so when David Arquette and Gail Weathers are making out and that video footage comes on, there's only one person that has a camcorder. So we should have known our idiot brains. But
01:53:30
Speaker
But yeah, I just, I think that this movie is excellent. I think that it, like you said, it is a great follow up to a great movie. And honestly, do I have a ranking of the screen movies? Yeah, I'd probably go two, one, four, three, well, maybe six, three, five. I do love four too.
01:53:55
Speaker
I think I think four is underrated. I think more you watch it, the better you like it. But we'll get to those one day. I just think Scream 2 is just like the perfect follow up and it really does set up for the continuation of the series. And I think that they were really and we have not talked about the controversial Randy Meeks killing.
01:54:15
Speaker
Um, because that I think is, I think that people that don't like this movie were huge Jamie Kennedy, Randy Meeks fans, and they don't like that they killed him off.
01:54:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, look, I like Jamie Kennedy as Randy Meeks. But other than that, Jamie Kennedy just bugs the hell out of me if I'm being honest. I mean, I I think that it's I thought that it was really brave that they killed Randy Meeks in this movie and the way that I did. I thought that that was it set you up for nobody is safe.
01:54:46
Speaker
And I do think, too, that how Randy gets memorialized later down the line in the franchise is actually kind of cool, too, to be honest. I think it's actually kind of neat the way that legacy lives on.
01:55:00
Speaker
Oh, one thing that I didn't know that I saw in the credits this time is that Danny Elfman did the Cassandra music. Did he really? Yeah, just that part, just that one part. Talk about a heavy hitter for that. Jesus, my God. And then finally, one thing that still is possible today, I thought it was really funny that Mickey yells the line, hell, the Christian coalition will pay my legal fees.
01:55:26
Speaker
Andrew, it's hard to end it, but how did you score Scream 2?
01:55:34
Speaker
Listen, I got I got to move my paper. I said this is probably my favorite in the series. Everyone has never looked or acted better. In my opinion, I'm going to give it a six point five. I fucking love this movie. I don't know. Here you go. Yeah, I also I scored it way too low when I was writing this down. I said, look, this isn't my favorite screen, but it ranks. It brings round number three or four for me in the series.
01:55:56
Speaker
Um, and I think it does a fantastic job of being the first sequel in an incredible franchise. And for all the reasons that we just talked about for the last half hour, almost, I mean, looking at fucking rocks, uh, I give screen to a five. And I just want to leave you with one last quote and then we'll move on to how do the episode. Oh yeah. You're forgetting one thing about Billy Loomis. I fucking killed him. Yes.
01:56:22
Speaker
Shante, you stay. Shante, you stay. Shante, you stay. Shante, you stay. And folks, that does it for episode 104 of Friday, the 13th horror podcast. But before we go, we have a final game for you. And it's one that we've played many times. And it's called this hottie of the episode. Andrew, explain the rules of this very complex game. So this is so complex that it might take a while to explain it. But this is where we say who's the hottest person in the movies we watched.
01:56:52
Speaker
I know that's really hard, right, folks? Andrew, who's your hottie of the episode? So while I want to do a minor shout out to Blake and Killer Party because he's pretty cute, I don't think anybody is ever going to win when Jerry O'Connell is on the screen. He's just he's a forever hottie for me.
01:57:12
Speaker
Girl, same. Look, that's my choice too. Andrew and I very rarely have the same choice because we have very different tastes in men. But I will tell you this, Jerry O'Connell for life, girl, for life forever. It's true. Whenever you want to come back on the show, Jerry, we are ready for you, babe. Yeah. Anytime. Anytime you want to take your shirt off, we're here for it. But we're ready.
01:57:36
Speaker
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01:58:02
Speaker
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01:58:28
Speaker
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01:58:54
Speaker
Yeah, you know, it happens. But so that will do it for episode 104. We'll leave you with just one last thing, and that is to get slayed.