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EPISODE 114: GETTING OLD IS TERRIFYING!
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Like it or not, we’re all getting older. As the clock ticks terrifyingly by, the boys are exploring some of the darker sides of how we treat older people, and how some organisations are working to make it better.
HORROR IN THE MOVIES
THE TAKING OF DEBORAH LOGAN and RELIC offer two terrifying views on getting older… yikes!
WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
Listen in to hear what we’ve been watchin’... bitch!
THE YEAR YOU WERE BORN
Can Andrew and Matty name some of the most important events from their birth years? Listen in to find out!
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Introduction and Overview of Frage the 13th
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Frage the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud, independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit frage13.com
Life at Shady Acres LGBTQ+ Community
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Welcome to Shady Acres, an LGBTQ plus assisted living community for shady folks. Shady Acres, where the shade is real. Just look at our mature trees. Shady Acres, where all of our residents enjoy weekly brunch, including bottomless mimosas. Only the freshest OJ for our residents. Our guests enjoy our vast array of activities, fan clacking, voguing, and even Britney Spears dance tutorials.
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And don't forget competitive Leather Daddy workshops on Sundays. Residents will also enjoy our weekly entertainment. Yes, Monday we exclusively play musicals. On Wednesdays we bring in local drag queens. And don't forget about the Gogo Dancers on Fridays. Get your dollars ready! Because here at Shady Acres, we know you may be up there in age, but we won't put you in a cage. Unless you're a Gogo Dancer. It's episode 114.
The Horror of Aging: Episode 114 Highlights
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Getting old is terrifying.
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I am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the classroom. I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China. They defy the honesty from life to death arise! Whoo-hoo! Power in real life. Doubters, the doomsders, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Power up in the movies.
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Where are you gonna hide? Nowhere. Because there's no one like you left. What do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Now! Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh? What are you waiting for? I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes, that is better. She wanted to hurt me.
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and the b**** don't even know me. At 86 years old, Bernice Starnes is full of spunk. She's traveled the world, seen a lot, but never anything like this. I hope that they beat that b**** some of the women in prison beat her every day for as long as she's in there. Some people might say that's harsh. Well, so what she did to me was even worse.
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Tonight Bernice spoke one on one with picks 11 just minutes after the woman accused of snatching her purse was walked out of the 48 police precinct in handcuffs.
LGBTQ Perspective on Horror: Matty and Andrew's Insight
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Welcome back to another episode of Frygate the 13th Horror Podcast. I'm Matty. And I'm Andrew. And if this is your first time with us at Frygate the 13th Horror Podcast, this is the podcast that talks all about horror. Horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBTQ perspective. This is episode 114, Andrew. Cool.
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Um, and this episode is all about, um, you know, Andrew, something that's been on my mind a lot lately as I, as it's happening to me and it's getting old, you know, are you getting old or are you getting young? What do you think?
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Um, I'm like, I feel like if I'm being honest, I'm right in the middle. Yeah, sure. So he's getting he's getting the old. Yeah. But but no, I do. We are starting to experience going to the doctor more, doing the things more, you know, that that kind of a thing where in your 20s and even I would say early 30s, you don't really you don't really worry about that stuff as much like you don't.
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I don't know, you just like you get a cold and you take some cold medicine and everything's good. And now you're like, why is why is why is my digestive system all messed up? Oh, yeah. Got to worry about that. I call that kind of. Why does my heart feel weird right now? Oh, that's that's probably not good. So the thing about your 20s is that you are actually kind of invincible. Like your body can actually put up with a lot of shit, frankly. Yeah.
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I know this because I put my body through a lot of shit in my 20s. And then in your 30s, you basically just try to pretend the entire time that you're still in your 20s. And for a lot of us, that works out, right? And then you turn, Andrew, you'll get here soon. Then you turn 40. And for like a minute, you try to pretend like you're in your 30s.
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And really quick, you learn you just can't do that. It doesn't work. It doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't work. You just have to like you have to embrace it. You're in your 40s. Anyways, look, we'll get to all of that. We're going to have a good episode today. We're talking about two great movies that really fit this.
Exploring Horror Films: 'The Taking of Deborah Logan' and 'Relic'
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Well, the taking of Deborah Logan and Relic, you know, to to hit comedies from from the last decade to movies that if you like skin, you're going to be in.
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Yeah, a lot of weird skin in this. God, especially in Relic. What the fuck? Anyways, we'll get there soon. Andrew, before we go to our horror in real life segment, let's talk first about our certified terrifying corner. Three items for you today. We're talking about, first off, this, Andrew, you added this one and I'm glad you did because I forgot
A Bizarre Crime and Political Updates
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to.
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What a fucking story. A Pennsylvania man has been arrested after after killing his father. I wouldn't even say allegedly because it's literally on video after killing his father before displaying his decapitated head in a gruesome YouTube video while spouting right wing conspiracy theories.
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This is not the premise to a horror film. This is real life. This actually happened. And I just can't fathom that. It's crazy. It is insane. And when you read more about this, I didn't add a lot of the details in our little article here because we don't focus too much on these things.
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The things that he was against, it was the Biden administration, it was LGBTQ people and trans people, it was all these things that I'm just like, you know, the right loves to call us like snowflakes and that we're little titty babies and whatever. But at the end of the day,
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they're the ones that are so butthurt about everything. It's wild. And if I remember the story correctly, his dad worked for the administration. I believe he was a government worker. Yes. Just like, I mean, look clearly,
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I mean, I have to, in this awful story, I have to hope, and this is a weird hope to have, that that guy has very serious mental issues. You know what I mean? Like, hopefully he's not actually that evil. That's a terrifying thing to think about.
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But Jesus fucking Christ. And, you know, look, well, thank God he turned himself in by putting himself on YouTube. Yeah. There you go. But I mean, look, it's only the start of the election year. Like it's it's just going to stuff like this will keep popping up and it's going to get worse and worse. So I don't know. Crazy. Speaking of the election year, Donald Trump also won the New Hampshire primary, which is an actual primary, not the very weird caucus that Iowa does.
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Nikki Haley, she's refusing to drop out. But even with that, Donald Trump is obviously the presumptive nominee here and everyone fucking knows it. So it's almost like with Nikki Haley, just girl, just drop out. You're done. But at the same time, I was thinking about this this week because I was listening to... I can't remember. It was somebody talking about her on CNN and it was a conservative commentator.
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And the commentator was like, she's the only real conservative in the race. And I was thinking about it, and I was like, God, that dude is actually right. I know. Donald Trump isn't a real conservative. He's just a fucking clown. He'll do whatever he needs to, right? He's a radical. He's a fucking radical weirdo. But I don't know. I mean, look, Donald Trump is a demon. I don't want him anywhere near the office.
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Nikki Haley's not that much better when it comes right down to it. She's a freaking freak about immigration and about LGBT shit and this and that. She literally cannot say the Civil War was caused by slavery. She's a freaking freak. It's like six and a half dozen. You got a crazy person either way.
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The way that I look at it and the way that I don't know, I kind of like absorb these kind of things as I feel like even with her, though, she's at least a little bit more predictable. No, no, no. Yeah, that makes sense. Whereas whereas Donald Trump is a fucking crazy person like you don't know what he's going to do. And God forbid you like.
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Call him fat one day. He's going to like a bomb somewhere. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's so crazy. Well, he calls other people fat, which is just weird. Also, I really hate when people go into that with Donald Trump. I'm like when we start doing body stuff like that, it opens up the field for everybody. I think it's such a weird thing. Yeah, I only meant that as an example. I just know I know it's not you. I'm just saying when I see like like just big people on social media, I'm like, would you just stop?
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You know what I mean? I'm honestly so sick of people focusing on looks these days. Like when people are like, ooh, looks like, looks like Melanie Griffith got her face done again. And I'm like, who cares? Just let them fucking live their life. Like Jesus Christ. And seriously, Jesus Christ.
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And then the final item here is about the Israel-Hamas War. This one is really interesting. So it came out, we're recording this on what day is it, the 3rd of February. This came out last week in the news that UNRWA, which is the United Nations Relief Works Association or agency part of me,
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that is essentially the UN agency in Palestine that provides aid and services to Palestinians, basically. It was an extremely well-funded agency, thousands of employees that work for it, working to provide aid to people who need it.
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It came out that a number of their employees in UNRWA took part in the October 7th massacre in Israel. In other words, they took part in the murder, in the rape, and in the kidnapping of innocent Israelis, which is absolutely reprehensible.
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Now, what's interesting about this is the latest New York Times article that just came out says that it wasn't even Israel that informed America about this. It was actually the agency itself, right? And that's really important because everyone is saying that Israel
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tortured people to get them to say that they were part of October 7th and Israel did this and Israel did that because people like to blame Jews for things. That's what they like to do. And I'm here to say that. And I think it's fucked up. So it is really interesting that the agency itself not only fired those employees right away, but they also took the action of telling other governments that fund them that this occurred.
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So it's going to be really interesting to hear about what happens moving forward. But many, many countries have suspended. They haven't cut off, but they have suspended funding for UNRWA until they get this figured out. Some countries have not, like Ireland, for example, or I think Norway is also one of them that hasn't. It's one of the Nordics, I can't quite recall. So it's not everybody, but most countries have. So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens here.
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Let's just hope for peace. That's all I can say. Yeah, I'm hoping for peace and also I'll tell you this. It is the primary reason why I have left Twitter because people are fucking insane about this. And I just, I'll hope for peace all the live long day, but people who are literally, literally cheering on Hamas, you have a very serious problem.
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You have a very serious problem inside of you that you need to go get checked out because it's wrong. And what's happening with Palestinians is fucking awful. It's terrible what's happening. But if you can't at the same time say that what Hamas did was terrible, you've got to screw fucking loose. And I'm here to say that. Anyways, Andrew, that is a certified terrifying corner. So let's get on with our horror in real life. And Andrew, the horror in real life segment today is about a really
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uplifting thing to think about, and it's about getting old and it's it's weird. You know, there's so many so many ways that you
Challenges Faced by the Elderly and LGBTQ Elders
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could go into this. What's what's the way that you kind of chose to talk about this today? So I I really wanted to focus on like the treatment of the elderly and by elderly, I mean like 70 plus probably. Sure. Because I do feel like we
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We hold people up so high in regard to how we respect them and how we kind of understand that they've lived a life, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, until they get to about 70.
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And then I feel like we kind of just are like, well, you know, you did your thing. Good night. Like, you know what I mean? Like guess you should die now. Yeah. And I just feel like and then and then we look at people in power. We look at our president. We look at our prospective president election coming up and they're all in their upper 70s. And we're like, yeah, they're 80s.
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Um, is Donald Trump is in the eighties yet? I don't know. Let me check right now, but I was pretty sure he's about to turn 80 years old. Awesome. Crazy. Let me see. Um, but I just feel like when they get part of me, part of me, part of me, he is 77. So by the time of the election, he will be 78 though.
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Okay. And I just feel like we kind of in a way, we like just like kind of throw these people away. And it's, it's really sad because there is like a, there is a level of like history that they carry and a level of understanding of like what the world was like that they carry that we could learn a lot from that we don't necessarily take advantage of, if that makes any sense.
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Yeah, of course it does. You know, I think part of it is like, you know, like modern life has gotten. I'm going to put this in quotes. These are air quotes has gotten better. Right. So like people are generally healthier. There's more like mitigations to help people live longer. There's more information. There's more information. And like, you know, it's you work in health care. Health care is not about like health care is not about like what am I looking for here?
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Healthcare is actually about making sure that you live longer now, basically. Whereas maybe in the past, it was about more palliative, like treating the pain and making you just kind of feel good. Now it's like, no, we're going to extend your life as much as we can. Extension and quality of life is like a game. And so I think in a lot of ways, we just haven't evolved as a society enough to keep up with that. What does it mean? At the same time, we're like,
00:15:42
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back in the day, our parents would have taken care of their own parents. Right. Right. Like now, how do we do that? Like, how how do I can't take care of my mom? You know what I mean? Like, I live it never when I live in another country. But like, also, I wouldn't have the space or the room for her. And, you know, like that's the case for a lot of people, I would imagine. Well, that's that's just the thing is
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people now don't understand, well, I mean, they do understand because they're living through it, but it's the cost of living and the cost of owning property compared to what we make is so vastly different than just 20, 30 years ago. It's impossible.
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that it feels impossible unless you have generational wealth. Completely. 100%. And that's just it. It's like, you know, thankfully for, I mean, just thinking about my mom, my mom is, she'll be 88 this year, right? So like, thankfully for her, she had nine kids, you know? So like, one of them was likely going to be able to take care of her. And that is exactly what's happening right now.
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But think about, I'll use myself as an example here. I'm not married. I don't have children. I won't have children at this point in my life. And there's every possibility that I'll continue my life as a single person.
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I make good money now, but that won't last forever. I'm 41 years old. How much longer can I actually work making that good money? So how much longer can I keep that up? You know what I mean? And eventually there will be a point where I can't work anymore. And then I'll have to go into some sort of care. What am I supposed to do? And so this is the question that a lot of people are asking themselves. I think especially if you happen to be LGBTQ,
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because we live different lives, right? I mean, a lot of us don't have kids. I don't know what the numbers are, but I would venture to say right now that there are fewer LGBT people that have children that could take care of them in the future than our straight counterparts, right? Or people that do have children, whatever you want to call them.
00:17:55
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And also too, there is more wealth there because you would have wealth that you might have invested, but then also your kids would have money too to help take care of you. There's so many variables there that like,
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In a lot of ways, queer people are just kind of fucked when you get older. And I'll tell you, I remember when I was young, in my young 20s, and I had moved to Chicago, and I remember that they were talking about building a senior citizen's place that was just for LGBT people. There is one now, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I remember thinking back then, I didn't really get that. It didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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And now, it totally makes sense. That's something that I would actively seek in the future is a community for old queer people where I could go and be safe and be taken care of. Well, I can tell you that if we do make it to the age of assisted living, which we'll be lucky to be if we do.
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According to the Ganworth Cost of Care Survey in 2021, the median cost of assisted living in Illinois, so I had to pick a place, so I just picked where I'm from, was found to be about $4,500 a month.
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The most affordable was outside in Carbondale, which if you're from Illinois, you know that Carbondale is out there when it comes to proximity to Chicago, where the monthly cost is about $3,500. But it just skyrockets. And then I did read that if you are dealing with a
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like an Alzheimer's situation, they also charge you about $1,100 more for something like that because of the extended care. And I can tell you like, honestly, I know a lot of people have this thought of like, I don't want to lose my independence, da da da da.
00:20:02
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When I get to a certain age, maybe I just want to be taken care of. I don't know. Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. It's, um, I mean, also too, I think that, I mean, obviously these, these are like the median costs because I was going to say these seem actually pretty low, you know, like I remember when we were looking into, you know, possibilities for my mom, the costs were just like, how the fuck are we ever going to do this?
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And even with my mom lives with my sister and we have some home health care that we hire for her and they come in periodically through the week. I don't remember what the exact cost is, but even that per month has got to be like $4,000?
00:20:39
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I would say. And that's not her living in a place or the person or like her getting food from it or this or that or whatever. This is a very nice lady who we like a lot, comes in and talks to mom and hangs out with her and does things and does her bathing and everything else. It's awesome, but it costs a lot of fucking money. And if you don't have that money, how the fuck do you do it? How the fuck do you do it?
00:21:05
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Honestly, I don't want to go into this too much, but I have to bring it up. The system that we have set up doesn't benefit anybody because we put so much money into retirement. Essentially, retirement is a gamble in and of itself because it functions as a stock.
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because it goes up and down. And at the end of the day, that's what you're supposed to live off of after you turn 65, 66, 67 whenever you decide to retire. But then because of the way Medicare and Medicaid is set up, because you don't have insurance through your employer anymore,
00:21:50
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If you get sick, you're fucked. You are fucked. I can tell you when it comes to Medicaid, it's very difficult, and I'm sure listeners out there have dealt with this with their own parents, but I know for my mom, if we ever want to be able to tap into Medicaid, she has to literally have zero money.
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Nothing. Nothing left. And even when she has zero money, which will eventually happen, if that's just the natural way of things, even when she has zero dollars, nothing's left, they will do a look back on her accounts to see where that money was spent. So it's ridiculous. Honestly, who gives a flying fuck how she's... If she wanted to buy... She's 80 fucking seven years old. If she wants to buy fucking nothing but pizzas all the live long day, fucking let her. Right.
00:22:40
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In the meantime, a woman has produced nine children that are all active members of society. They pay taxes, they do this, they do that. Help her out in the end. It shouldn't take my mom being completely bankrupt to get her the health care that she needs. And I think that's this. That's what I mean. I just heard a story the other day about
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someone that was volunteering for an event for cancer and she was talking about how her husband went through cancer and it completely wiped them out of their retirement and now they're having to depend on their kids to help them month to month.
00:23:20
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It's just so awful. I feel so bad for people that have worked their entire life, just like we have. I've worked since I was 14 and a half years old nonstop. And I'm not complaining about that, but like, I'm sorry, but if you work for 30, 40, 50 years plus, and you don't get to just enjoy the rest of your life, that is fucked. I mean, and like, this is, you know, and not even gets to get like too political about it, but like,
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This is this is the kind of shit that like, I mean, listen, when we look at modern American politics right now, like anyone who thought that Bernie Sanders was that radical, like you need to go back and check yourself. Like he like now Bernie seems like a moderate, for God's sake. Like, come on.
00:24:06
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and medicare for all was one of the things that was gonna deal with this right but instead we just keep ourselves working in the same system that you were just talking about like the system that benefits nobody because in the at the end of the day you're just fucked and like you know listen retirement
00:24:22
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It's just kind of a lie. None of us are gonna have enough money to retire. I wish they had a case. I do know a few people who literally make a fucking fuck ton of money. Yeah, they'll probably be okay to retire.
00:24:38
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And let's just be honest, they don't do anything that we don't do, but whatever. Exactly. Listen, they push buttons in the same way that I do. But most of us, and I'm saying this about myself, I can't speak for you or anyone else, but I do know most of my friends, we're not going to be able to retire in the way that anyone thinks we'll be able to. So it's like, what the fuck are we supposed to do? Yeah, it's messed up.
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Um, just as we kind of stay on course with assisted living, let's talk about some of the horrors of the nursing home. This is going to be, this is going to be so bad. This is the shit that like, it makes me so sad, but also so incredibly angry at the same time. Fuck you. But like, it's one of those things like you'd never want to talk about it, but if you don't talk about it, people won't understand, you know, tell us Andrew, tell us, tell us the awful things.
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So the first one is so there are kind of like four big anchors of how the elderly are exploited. And the first one is the weirdest one is sexual exploitation. See, now, Andrew, this is the one that they're going to try to do to me. Of course, of course. I mean, why wouldn't they? You're so you're so sexual. Well, that's I mean, look, they're going to say, who is this very good looking 80 year old? And how can we how can we exploit his his good looks?
00:25:58
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Well, speaking of an 83 year old woman in Minneapolis was in a care facility and was violated by a male caregiver in 2014. Unfortunately, the patient was unable to speak. So how was she supposed to explain what was happening to her?
00:26:17
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Thankfully, the perpetrator was sentenced to eight years in prison for his actions. He probably should have gone away for a lot longer than that. But her daughter says, you know, I still feel the guilt of not being able to take care of her myself and having to entrust her care to others, only ever subjected to the unthinkable assault.
00:26:36
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So this just like, it trickles down. And when you think about who you're entrusting your care to, it's just like, you know, it's really strange. We've come into this world as babies and we kind of leave as babies too in a weird way because- Seven ages of men.
00:26:57
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Yeah, our functions kind of settle back down to a certain age when you get to a certain age or when you hit a certain part of your journey. But to take advantage of that and I
00:27:12
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I don't understand human beings sometimes. And that's just the thing is the word for what that piece of actual garbage did. It's evil that there's no other word that I can put to it. It's evil. And like, listen, people like that literally throw him off a cliff. I don't get the flame. Fuck. I don't, I don't need him in jail for eight years. I need him thrown off a cliff. That would do well for him, I think.
00:27:36
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Uh, the second, uh, form of elderly abuse is severe neglect. So, uh, a woman in Iowa, uh, in a nursing home lost her life as a result to severe neglect. She was hospitalized when an overnight nurse reported that the resident was moaning around 3 AM when she arrived at the hospital.
00:27:53
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Emergency room physician explained to her daughter that she was extremely dehydrated and probably and had probably suffered a stroke. Oh, my God. The physician stated that the resident went without water or any type of fluids for at least four or five days. Can you imagine how scared that that woman must have been? I know. Just laying there. No one answering her, no one giving her anything and just feeling like I'm utterly alone in this world.
00:28:21
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Thankfully, the facility was fined not nearly as much as they were. When we when we put a price on people, it's really messed up. I realize that I realize that there has to be some sort of compensation. But like to say like this woman's life was only worth seventy seven thousand dollars is is just really weird. Oh, yeah. It says that she lost her life. That's just that's awful. God, is that awful?
00:28:50
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The third one is physical abuse. So a patient in New Jersey was a victim to physical force when a disoriented resident refused to get up from the toilet in order to make the resident stand up. An abusive certified nurse agent, also known as a CNA, began to pull the resident's hair and pull the nipple of the resident's breast to get the resident to stand up.
00:29:14
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Listen, I understand that a lot of people can be very difficult to deal with, especially when they get to an age that they don't want to comply.
00:29:29
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But that doesn't result in then you pulling their hair. Yeah, it doesn't justify it. I mean, listen, if you don't like your job, go get a new fucking job. It's not your right to be a healthcare worker because you couldn't do anything else.
00:29:47
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you're an asshole and you deserve the worst to happen to you for doing that. Oh my God, that's awful. And then finally, negligent homicide is the fourth form of elderly abuse. And this one is insane. But in August of 2005, if you remember where you were at that time,
00:30:07
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Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana really hard and a mandatory evacuation order was issued to keep kind of the residents safe. A lot of nursing homes evacuated their residents as they should because a mandatory evacuation means mandatory means you should have to do it. But the one facility stated that they were afraid of moving residents because it will put them at risk. Unfortunately, when the levees broke, it drowned 35 residents.
00:30:36
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Um, and all those people lost their lives and because someone couldn't have the gumption to actually do their job. You know, it's all this modern life that we have now, you know, like fucking there's, there's a $3,500 fucking AI fucking virtual reality headset from Apple that just came out. There's all this new shit. There's cars that drive themselves. There's whatever.
00:31:05
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And you got this shit happening. You know what I mean? Right. We can figure out. I mean, it's like it's like everything else, but we can figure out how to go to the fucking moon and how to go to Mars and how to leave the solar system with a satellite. We can't figure out how to take care of our elders. Right. We can't we can't figure that. How how have we not figured this out yet? I don't I don't understand. Yeah, it's it's.
00:31:29
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Oh, awful. Like I said, this is this is the shit that just pisses me off so much. And like, you know, my mom did not. I'm sorry to keep going back to my mom. It's like the only thing it's what you have to clean from. But like, you know, she was adamant she didn't want to go to anything. And so, you know, that's how it ended up. And, you know, and to be fair, we weren't looking at like nursing homes. We were looking at like, you know, sort of like like like houses where this old people live.
00:31:57
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kind of thing. Like a check-in facility type of thing. Yeah. It's not like assisted living. It's just like a fucking house. That's really basically it. Anyways, I'm happy that she gets to live with my sister who does take really good care of her and she's around family and all that. I can't imagine her being in any situation like this and I could imagine
00:32:20
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that if anyone did anything to her like that, the thing that I would do to that person, because I don't know, the rage inside of me wouldn't let me do anything else. Andrew, thanks for that harrowing and depressing look at getting old. Yeah, sorry about that. That's okay. So the thing that I brought to the table is thinking about loneliness in old people. In old people. Listen, I'm just going to say old people.
00:32:47
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That's it. That's fine. That's the other. That's the other part that we've kind of gloss over is that a lot of the time when people get to a certain age, you know, over 70, like I said before, there's a good chance that they have maybe lost a spouse or like are not around family as much. All of their friends are gone.
00:33:12
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Yeah. Or like their kids move to another state or, you know, just like there's a, there's a variable, many things that, that could go into this. But I think that it's a, it's a, it's a good point to bring up that sometimes that's why people do want to go into assisted living is that there's other people around.
00:33:31
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Exactly. They at least can make friends. But yeah, loneliness, I can only imagine, is a huge part of it. So here's a little article that I found. This is on USA Today. It is from 2022, but that's recent enough, I think, to have a look at this. I still think it's 2018 around here. I don't know what year it is, or what day for that matter. But the title here is, Most LGBTQ Elders Feel Lonely.
00:33:57
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And here's what organizations are doing to help. So a little bit of hope in our episode here too, right? So I'll just go ahead and read some of this to you. More than 3 million LGBTQ adults over age 50 live in the US and more than half of them feel lonely. Why? Exactly. LGBTQ older adults are three or four times less likely than older Americans in general
00:34:21
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to be parents, what we were talking about earlier. Meaning in most cases, they don't have children able to take care of them. They're twice as likely to live alone, according to LGBTQ Elder Advocacy Organization, SAGE. But these problems often regularly go unnoticed.
00:34:38
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Invisibility is one of the biggest challenges that LGBTQ elders face, says Michael Adams, CEO of Sage. This is in the context of a country where adult children and spouses and partners are the primary sources of care and support for older people later in life, he added.
00:34:57
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The population in America is set to reach about 7 million by 2030, meaning millions more could face the same feelings. So while LGBTQ elders face unique complications when it comes to aging, programs around the country are offering ways to help them attain emotional, physical, and financial security. Never count out the community, however.
00:35:21
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And Adams went on to say, there are real gaps here, there are real challenges, and we're also talking about a very resilient community of elders, something to think about. SAGE offers services and programs that are specifically designed for LGBTQ elders, think traditional senior centers with hot meals and exercise classes, but in a dedicated, safe space.
00:35:43
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The pandemic has evidently migrated certain programs online. This is a little bit outdated because of 2022, of course, but some stories in here, some personal stories. Dominique Leberton, 60, she's 60 years old, found comfort in Sage through its video chat services and made a friend she, I'm going to start crying, and made a friend she speaks with for about an hour a week. Her adoptive daughter, a member of her chosen family, introduced her to the organization and helped her enroll.
00:36:11
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The New York resident is grateful for the respite from isolation. I didn't expect to get past 60. The whole thing just seemed like a hopeless endeavor, she says. Leberton, who is transgender and bisexual, also has the mental health condition dissociative identity disorder due to childhood trauma. She's all right with the virtual interactions for now. When that day comes, if that day comes, in person would be nice, she says. I'm in no hurry for it to happen because it's the dead of winter, bless me.
00:36:41
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The organization provides case management services like helping somebody sign up for Medicare or for veterans benefits or helping a person transition from a three-story walk-up into an apartment that is on the ground floor because they can no longer get up and down the stairs. The group also helps to train nursing homes on how to work respectively and effectively with LGBTQ elders.
00:37:02
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Several factors contribute to higher levels of poverty among LGBT folks. Historically, employment benefits have not been made available in equal terms for LGBT people, like health insurance for partners. As of 2018, 17% of new HIV diagnoses in the US came from people, listen to this, 50 years old and above. Can you imagine that in general? Wow.
00:37:25
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The cumulative impact of discrimination in the workplace and denial of workplace benefits over their lifetime, it creates poverty and we see that in the statistics about retirement savings and assets that LGBTQ older people have. Being a part of Sage's leadership was a no-brainer for Adams after watching his own grandmother age.
00:37:44
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even someone with loyal, loving people around them still struggle with aging. What would it be like for someone without anyone around? It just kept on hitting me how incredibly difficult it would be for members of my own community, members of the LGBT community who get to that point in life but don't have any of those supports, don't have any of that family structure.
00:38:04
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So, a few things that this article offers that you could do if you're thinking, if any part of you is thinking about how you might be able to help. The first thing is learn about the history, right? So, Stonewall Community Development Corporation offers programs to help aging community members. The executive director, Paul Nagel, told program director, Seif Lashaw,
00:38:26
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something that inspired him to get involved with Stonewall in the first place. The generation of older adults that were in the streets in the wake of Stonewall riots in 1969 are the ones that are now having to go back into the closet to safely access services. That's crazy.
00:38:42
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The next one here is just pay attention to the needs of the community, whether it's serving as a volunteer in a community-based organization like Sage or just opening your eyes and noticing that the person who lives down the street from us or down the hall from us might be an older person living in isolation that needs support. It's two easy things that any of us can do, no matter where you live.
00:39:03
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And then the final thing here is, and I think this is important, don't throw this group a pity party. And Adam says, we're talking about incredibly resilient people, about elders who have lived through decades of oppression, discrimination, invisibility, violence, and who have not only survived, but continued to thrive.
00:39:22
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And I think it's really important. I know that some people get into elder speak where they'll be around grandma and they'll go, right, grandma? Doesn't that sound good? And it's like, why don't you fuck off? She's still a normal fucking person. You know what I mean? So don't treat these people like they're fucking stupid or like they're invalids. They've been through more than you can ever believe.
00:39:45
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respect them and let's help them in some way. And God, listen, in 20 years, someone's going to have to help me and you and Michael and all the rest of our fucking gay friends like we're going to need that help one day. So let's get the good karma out while we can, you know, like put on Kylie Minogue. Yes, basically, yes, that is what's going to happen.
00:40:09
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Yeah, but that's really important that you shared that. So I'm glad that you brought that the table because I think that we do sometimes forget that these people are people at the end of the day.
00:40:24
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And they just want to have a conversation or just share something about their past or their present or their future. Andrew, I'll tell you this little story and maybe I've told you this before, I don't know, but there was this great man that I knew and he was a priest actually in the Episcopal Church.
00:40:46
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His name was Cotton Fight, the Reverend Cotton Fight. What a name. He was this incredibly well-spoken, beautiful older man who had lived this incredible life as a priest and was really involved in justice work in Israel and Palestine and in gun violence work in the United States.
00:41:08
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had just been around and really put in the work, right? And I served on a committee with him in the diocese of Chicago for a few years. And he was just wonderful. And at that time, I actually had a therapist, I forget her first name now, but they were actually friends. It was like something for us to kind of chuckle over. But I just, I loved him.
00:41:27
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And there was a time when I didn't see Cotton for a while. And then I was in Evanston. And for listeners, that's right by Chicago. It's where Northwestern is. And Andrew, I was actually with Ben then. And we had just seen a movie and we were walking down the street. Love going to Evanston to go to that AMC. That's what I think. Go to Chili's downstairs, right? Yeah. But we were walking back down the street towards the car and I saw Cotton.
00:41:53
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And I couldn't believe it. And I said, oh, my God, cotton. And it was raining that day. It was not a nice day at all. Right. And it was raining. And I was like, oh, cotton, it's so good to see you. It's so good to see you. And we, you know, we had a little hug and that was it. And I was like, you know, cotton. OK, see you later. I'll see you soon. And he turned to me and he and he said it. He said it just like this. He goes, oh, Maddie, can't you just stay for a moment?
00:42:15
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And I'll never forget it. And it hit me so hard when he said it to me. And it hit me like literally, it was like a horse fucking kicked me in my heart. And there happened to be a bench right there. And I said, of course I can, Cotton. And we sat down and talked for a while. And he died the next year. And I'll never forget the courage that he had to say that to me.
00:42:39
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And and it just it really it taught me a lesson about like you you talk to the people while they're there. You know, you don't you don't wait until they have to beg you for a moment. And I don't know. I offer that as a as a gift for everybody because it's something that really did change the way that I looked at a lot of things. Yeah, that's crazy. I did. I actually didn't know that story. So thank you for sharing that. Yeah, of course.
00:43:05
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Just one more final thing and I'm not going to go into a ton of detail on this just because there was one really big thing that I didn't know was a thing so I kind of wanted to bring it up. So another thing that the elderly kind of have to deal with is that they probably have a majority of the wealth at the end of the day.
00:43:25
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Um, whether that be good, good spending habits or, you know, kind of saving up. I don't think that our generation will have the same wealth. No, we definitely will not. But I'm talking about like the people that are now 70 plus and did a good job and had good government to take care of
Elderly and Scams: Vulnerability in Modern Times
00:43:46
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them. But, um, so there's this thing, like they are financially
00:43:52
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like looked at as like targets and oh yes for sure and especially for financial scams and you know there are a lot of different ones there's government impersonation scams there's sweepstakes scams there's technical support scams where they kind of take advantage of like what you don't know but there are two
00:44:11
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that I didn't even know were a thing until I started looking this up. What are they? So there's one, obviously we all know what robocalls are. We now get on our phones, what does it usually say? Like supported scam or supported spam or something like that when it's a number that you know.
00:44:33
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But what I didn't know is that there are common robocalls that will target people of a certain age that they'll just say, oh, hello, can you hear me? And of course, when you answer the phone, all you're going to say is, yeah, I can hear you. And then that robocall will hang up on you.
00:44:53
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Well, what I didn't know is that they have technology out there that can use that just just yes. And impersonate you on voice signatures, on credit cards, on all kinds of things that you then have no control over, like, and especially now in the day and age of A.I., this is only going to get worse.
00:45:21
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Listen, I work in technology. I wish we could literally put AI away and never take it out again. I hate AI. I can't stand it. It drives me nuts.
00:45:34
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The fact that we don't have legislation on this and the fact that we don't have rules for this is really, really bad. Awful. And like, look, it's it's like people are just digging their own holes using it. Like, keep using it for your work email. Keep using it for this and that. You're going to be getting dumber. Yep. You will be out of a fucking job. And now it's going to scam your ass at the same time, too. AI needs to go back in its little weird, ugly box. Bye bye.
00:46:02
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Please see our episode, artificial intelligence is terrifying. You know, Andrew, it's great that we're at that point in our podcast where like literally we have 113 episodes before this film where we can say for pretty much any subject now, go see that one.
00:46:17
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Yeah. And then the last one here is called simply the grandparent scam, which I didn't know anything about is where they will target people and they'll just call them and say either hi grandma or hi grandpa. Do you know who this is? And then when an unaware grandparent guesses the name of the grandchild, the scammer most sounds like the scammer will able to instantly secure their trust.
00:46:41
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The fake grandchild then asks for money to solve some urgent financial problems such as like overdue rent or car repairs or a jail bond, and they may beg the grandparent not to tell anyone. Oh my God. And since fraudsters often ask we paid via gift cards or money transfer, there's no way they're going to get that money back. Guess what, bitch? This won't work on me because I won't have grandkids, bitch. See you. They'll do that to me when I'm like 70. I'll be like, actually, I don't have any, you little fuck.
00:47:11
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Yeah. Oh, gosh. But yeah, those were just two that I didn't know anything about. So I thought it was interesting to kind of shed some light for people that maybe not don't know about those type of things. But listen, everyone out there is out to get your money. So just protect yourself and protect your parents and protect your grandparents if you still have them, which, you know, thankfully, I still do have one grandparent. But, you know,
00:47:37
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Well, you know, and that's the thing about grandparents. She'll still either call me fat or too skinny every time I see her. But, you know, I love her so much here. Granny, let's go to this nursing home now. How about that? Listen, I'll leave our listeners with this. We're all getting old, whether you like it or not. So think about the ways that you're going to do it as gracefully as possible and think about that good karma you're going to put out there.
00:48:04
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You know? Cause one day we're all gonna need an Andrew. We will not. Alright, that's it for our horror in real life segment. We'll be right back with whatcha been watchin', bitch. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:48:28
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All right, it's time for everyone's favorite segment. It's what you've been watching, bitch. What you've been watching, you old bitch. That one was easy. This is the second of the show where we talk about what we've been watching, reading, listening to. It can kind of go anywhere, but it's typically what we've been watching, you bitches. So Maddie, what you've been watching? Okay, I'm going to start with one that is really
00:48:57
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Really fucking good. This is this was this is maybe one of the best things I've ever seen before. This is called The Zone of Interest. The Zone of Interest is a film from Jonathan Glaser, who is a really great filmmaker and who makes very few films. Like, I think his last film before this was like 12 years ago. Like, that's that's how little he does. It's an A24 movie. So, you know, it's got that weird little zing into it, right?
00:49:26
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And it has a cast of people that probably most of us don't really know because they're all Europeans. They're Polish people and they are Germans. There's one that people might know though and that's Sandra Huler because Sandra Huler was also in Anatomy of a Fall which is up for Best Picture and up for Best Foreign
00:49:45
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Yeah, I want to see that. Oh, it's so good. I think you'll really like it. But so she's in it, blah, blah, blah, blah. So what is the story here? The Zone of Interest is about Auschwitz. And it's specifically about the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hess. And Rudolf Hess and his wife Hedvig, they live just outside of the gates at Auschwitz with their children. And so this movie
00:50:10
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is all about them. But that's all this is about. You do not ever go into Auschwitz in this movie ever. So you only stay outside the walls in their beautiful little house that they stole from somebody because they're Nazis and where they're making their perfect little Nazi life happen while just over the gate, which is literally like the gate of their garden. People are being murdered and tortured and burned alive.
00:50:39
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And so what's amazing about this movie is like, like, once again, you don't see that happening. Andrew, you just hear it the whole time. And it is fucking harrowing. Like, I don't I don't know if this apparently this does come from a book.
00:50:57
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From what I understand, the book is very, very different. It's a different take on the story, but the book inspired this movie. I can't tell you how unsettling this movie is. Jonathan Glaser, he's really stylistic, so there's some fucked up visual stuff and lighting and that kind of shit that happens.
00:51:17
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It's all part of the film. And there's one part near the end of the movie, which of course I'm not going to give away, that is just like this meta fucking thing that will blow your mind, blow your fucking mind. I saw this in the cinema. I would say if you have a chance to see it in the cinema, you should do that because it's just
00:51:40
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Like, I mean, I'm going to watch it at home as soon as I can. But like it's a like the the the stylistic parts of it that I was just talking about there that I also I don't want to give away. Like that shit on a big fucking screen is like that's the effect you want. Trust me. Like it's it's so good. If this movie should win film of the year, I think it's incredibly important. It couldn't be more timely than right now because it's showing you exactly how banal
00:52:09
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uh bigotry and hatred is like these are people who live in this house who think that they're doing literally nothing wrong while they're the ones who are killing millions of people millions of people or not millions but however many were killed in Auschwitz just over the wall oh and yeah it's so fucked up it's it's one of the best things i've ever seen go see it as soon as you can
00:52:33
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Is this in contention for this year's awards? I think it is. I haven't heard anything about this. I hate to bring this up, but because I never got to watch the award shows, I just kind of don't care about them anymore. Nobody cares about them either. I don't know. I'm not sure. I haven't looked at the list, but I'll tell you, it should be because it is incredible.
00:52:58
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And like, I don't know. That's it. I'll leave it there. Just just go see it. I thought it's a hard movie to say that you love, but I loved it.
00:53:06
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Yeah, no, it makes sense. Anything with that topic is never going to be great, but it's not comedy of the year. You know what I mean? Like it's not it's not Adam Sandler film or anything. Well, to turn the ship completely around to some things completely irrelevant is I have been watching The Traders season two on Peacock. And oh, my God, if you
00:53:32
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If you like reality TV in any way, shape or form, you will love this fucking show that like. So the premise of the traders is essentially if you've ever played the game mafia, werewolf, any of these things where you're trying to figure out who is the kind of the personal Michael loves him a mafia game. I know that. Yeah.
00:53:53
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Um, and so at the, at the beginning of the, of the season, they pick three or in this season, they pick two traders and then everyone at the rest of the game is them just trying to figure out who their traders are. And if there are any traders left at the end of the game, the traders get the money. If the faithful figure out who the traders are, the faithful get the money. I love it. Oh my God.
00:54:13
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But this time around, so the first season of the traders, they kind of split it in half. They did half reality show people, half normal people in this season of the traders. They just went full hog on reality people and.
00:54:29
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It is so entertaining because it's all reality people, because it's it's seasoned reality people. It's Parvati and Sandra from Survivor. It's Dan and Janelle from Big Brother. It's Larsa Pippin and her now boyfriend, who is the son of Michael Jordan. Yes, I said that correctly. Larsa Pippin, the ex-wife of Pippin,
00:54:55
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is now dating Michael Jordan's son. Wait, wait, what? What? Is that real? So Scottie Pippin's ex-wife, who he was married to for, I think. He's with MJ. She's with MJ's son now? So they were married for, I want to say, about 17 years. And they got divorced, and now she's dating Michael Jordan's son. How old is the son? How old is the son? I think they're about 20 years apart.
00:55:25
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the scandal, but that means that she probably knew this person.
00:55:31
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as a child. No, she. Listen, Scotty Pippin and his wife knew that kid as a before when they were a zygote like that is. Oh, my God, that's wild. Oh, my God. So just all of this drama wrapped up into then putting them into a game in a mansion in Scotland hosted by Alan Cumming, of all people. Oh, wow. Wow. Okay.
00:55:57
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It's reality show of the year. You got to watch it. All right. You know that I'm not the biggest reality fan, but I will watch this. I will. That that excites me. OK, cool. You have to. Andrew, my next one. Oh, this movie just saw this this week. Actually, the poor things severe to this.
00:56:17
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Yeah, a lot of a lot of a hubbub around this movie. Wow. So this is poor things with it's from. First of all, it's from Yorkos Lanthamos, who is a filmmaker that I love. He did Killing of a Sacred Deer, which I still think is one of the most fantastic things ever. He did The Favorite, which I fucking love that movie so much.
00:56:38
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And now here's poor things with Emma Stone, Mark Ruffalo and Willem Dafoe, Rami Yousuf and Christopher Abbott. Those are the main people, which is a fucking killer cast. Got some news for you. This movie is.
00:56:55
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It's fucking wild. It's like nothing you've seen before. The the imagery is crazy. The style of it is off supposed to be a rocker like kind of like a modern day Frankenstein. Right. I would say this is a mix of like this is a mix of like Gulliver's Travels, Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein and like
00:57:17
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something else that I can't think of. I don't know. Culver's travel. Yeah. But like, essentially, it really is basically like Frankenstein. And Emma Stone is is is Frankenstein, essentially. What a movie. It's it's it's it's wild. There is. I cannot tell you how much sex is in this movie. There's no. There is a lot of sex in this movie.
00:57:43
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And I think that's what's freaking people out about it the most right now is that there's just a fucking lot of sex. And Emma Stone has a lot of sex in the movie. That's just the way that it is. That's just part of the story. It's wild. It's crazy. I really enjoyed it. I saw it on a date with a guy that I'm dating and we've seen a lot of films together. This is probably our craziest one yet.
00:58:06
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and this one is fucking wild. I don't really know what else to say about it. I guess just go see it in the theater. Do you recommend it? Yeah, I'd recommend it. There are parts of that I'm still kind of trying to get my brain around if I'm being honest with you. But I'll definitely say this, all the people that I listed there give a performance that I don't know how they did it for this movie.
00:58:30
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They are dedicated to this film and its insanity and they all do a really great job and it's wild. It's not my favorite movie from York, I'll definitely tell you that. The two I listed before, I like degrees more than I like this one. But I still enjoy this and I think it's definitely worth seeing. And this is another one that I would say if you've got the chance to go to the cinema, go see it there.
00:58:53
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Can I ask you one question going into this movie? Sure. Is it is the dialogue as weird as Killing of Sacred Deer?
00:59:02
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Yeah, but in a different way. I mean, if you if you've seen his other movies like The Lobster or like I said before, the favorite, you you start to see how they're all of like he has a base style for everything. OK. And so like part of that style is is like how he writes it or how I forget actually who wrote this. Who did write this? Tony McNamara wrote this. I'm not sure if Tony McNamara wrote the other films.
00:59:29
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But regard. Oh, yeah, he did write the favorite, actually, like that that style is going to be there no matter what, because you're most lamp the most creates he creates a whole world where his characters live. And sometimes that world is also our world. But like he creates an alternate version of it. And so the dialogue by necessity has to be a bit different. And so you will find in this kind of the same, but it's not quite the same stodginess as as killing of a sacred deer.
00:59:57
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Yeah, because that movie is wild, man. So good. Jesus Christ. All right. My next one is the new season or I guess I would this season. And is it? I don't know because they're calling it True Detective Night Country. Yeah, because True Detective is is an anthology series, but you can call it a season. That's fine. So this would be like the fourth season. This is the fourth season. True Detective. I also.
01:00:23
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I watched one and two. I have not gotten around to three. I didn't hear anything about it, so I kind of didn't think I had to. So I don't know. But watching season four because Jodie Foster, I fucking love Jodie Foster.
01:00:39
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I don't know what to tell you about that. And listen, this show is wild with a capital W. That's weird. It's very weird. It takes this season of True Detective takes place in Alaska, where Jodie Foster plays the the sheriff of a small town that if you've, you know, I think 30 days of night, if you want to reference a horror movie to kind of go along with this, where they don't have sunlight for about 30 days.
01:01:09
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And on the second night of darkness, they find a almost like thing, like thing out in the ice of all these scientists that were at this site that was kind of a private company. Research center.
01:01:27
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Yeah. And that they are just frozen in the ice, all naked, all with terrified looks on their face. Someone has clawed their eyes out. Someone has their tongue ripped out. It is insanity. Yeah. And then they in the whole season is that I'm just trying to figure out like what's going on. And it's all tied back to this indigenous woman that was killed like I think like five or six years ago. I can't any the timeline on this show is a little bit funky. I will say that it takes you a minute to detective.
01:01:57
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Well, it takes you a minute just to figure out who's who and how they're all connected. It took me a second. I'm not going to lie. It took me about two episodes to understand the relationships in the show because there's just a lot going on. But I will tell you,
01:02:16
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This one got it's got me. It's got my ears perked. Well, that's good. I'm glad to hear that. I was not a huge fan of the first two seasons of True Detective. I know a lot of people love that first season. I just couldn't. Yeah, sure. Too many, too many monologues, too much. Just I couldn't get on board with it. The second season was just a huge mess. Like nobody knew what they were. Season two was not good.
01:02:40
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Um, but this season, I feel like they're like. There's in there. Do you feel like they're actually going to let supernatural things happen in this season? I kind of doubt it if I'm being honest, like I think that that's always the hope and then it doesn't really ever happen in these, but like, I mean, for instance, there is a woman who sees her dead ex lover and the dead ex lover, like, uh,
01:03:07
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guides her to the the ice people, the homunculus. I mean, yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens. I don't know. I mean, like it's one thing that I'm glad that you're liking it. One thing that you should look at is that there are a lot of Easter eggs in this. Right. So there's a ton of imagery that all harkens back to the first season.
01:03:29
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There's a lot of connections here that have not been made yet, but the spirals and even the name of the fish packing company and the beer that they drink, that's the same beer in every season of True Detective. Just Google it, you'll see there's so many things that they do so well with it, and we're starting to see now how things might all be connected in this True Detective universe. It's really interesting stuff.
01:03:59
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Yeah, I was a big fan of season one, season two. I don't know anyone who likes it. Season three. I don't know. It was a little bit better. Mahershala Ali was good in it, that kind of thing. This one. This one definitely has a lot of promise. I'm looking forward to seeing like how it just how it keeps developing and how it ends up. And we're like more than halfway through. So hopefully we'll get some answers here soon. But I'm really enjoying it.
01:04:24
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I'm liking the atmosphere, I'm loving Jodie Foster, I think she plays a really complex character that sometimes you love and sometimes you're like, girl, what the fuck is wrong with you? Get it fucking together, you weirdo. Yeah, anyway. Nice, nice. My next one is Panic in Year Zero. This is a film from 1962 from Ray Milland.
01:04:44
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And this is this is a weird movie. This is like this is like an atomic era like post-apocalyptic film. I watched it on criteria. I think I watch this on criteria and I'm pretty sure because criterion right now has like a post-apocalyptic post-apocalyptic film like like marathon thing.
01:05:05
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Why wouldn't you? Yeah, right. But this one's really good. Ray Millen is in it and also in it is Frankie Avalon. So like this is like baby twink Frankie Avalon weird. Oh my God. Who's really cute, by the way, too.
01:05:21
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And it's really good. It's a wild little movie. I had never heard of this before. And it's literally just about LA and a number of other cities get nuked, basically. And this is life after that. But instead of the more modern versions of this that we've seen, this is from 1962.
01:05:40
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So it's really cool. It's in black and white. I had a great time watching this. And also too, like, what's a little bit different about this one is that like the heroes, which are the family, right? So like, it's like mom, dad, sister, brother, and Frankie Avalon is the brother. And Ray Millen is the dad.
01:05:57
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Um, like they have to resort to like, like everyone, like the world has gone mad, of course, and every, everyone's alluding, everyone's doing whatever. And they have to resort to that stuff too, basically. So like, it's, it's an interesting little like dichotomy going on here of like, of like, what's good, what's bad, you know, what, what, what are, what's really morality right now in the face of like, you know, nuclear Holocaust.
01:06:19
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Um, so really interesting stuff and also entertaining at the same time. I really loved watching it. It was not very long at all. Um, so if you have access to watch panic in year zero, you should watch it really good. It kind of gives me, what was that eighties movie with the guy from third rock from the sun?
01:06:37
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The day after the day. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So kind of like that. But like the day after is a lot more dramatic, I would say, and like and like maybe even a little bit overboard. This one is more like how can I say this? It's almost like a Western in some ways. If you think of it that way, it was really good.
01:06:55
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All right, cool. What year is that from? You said 1962. OK, awesome. All right. My third one is a movie that I've seen kind of floating around the horror community that I wanted to check out. It is called The Passenger. This is currently on Amazon Prime. If you have it, you can access it there. The Passenger, it stars Kyle Galner.
01:07:19
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Um, he's kind of been in a ton of little horror things here and there to see this because it also has Johnny Burke told in it, who's so cute. He must be the other the other character. Yeah. Um, so basically what this is about is like, imagine the people that you like get fast food from at like your gas station in Indiana, like, you know, those those people. Imagine one day one of them just gets fucking fed up with everything.
01:07:45
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and basically kills all of his kills all of his coworkers and then takes one of them hostage and just goes on like a crime spree, kind of like falling down, if you will. Oh, yeah, I was going to say it's like falling down. Yeah. But like a modern day. And but but the thing with the passenger is that Kyle Galner kind of plays our titular character who takes kind of one of the people hostage. But the way he does it is that he wants to like
01:08:12
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Basically, he knows that this is going to be the end of his life, but he wants to fix the other guy's life in the process. Like what's going on with you? How can I fix your life by basically committing murder and crazy stuff with my life basically?
01:08:30
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OK. Wow. It's it's gory. It's it's very introspective of like what our culture is like these days and like why people just feel so just fed up with all of it. And so like feel like they can't win at anything. So like there is a lot of like really true stuff in this little horror movie that was just
01:08:56
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It's a really good movie. You got to watch it. I'm surprised this didn't go to theaters, but it was a surprising watch. I really enjoyed it. So if you have access to Amazon Prime, you can watch it now. It's the passenger. Yeah, I can't. I have not watched it yet. I'm very much looking forward to watching that.
01:09:13
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I mean, it is gruesome. I will tell you that like it's not for the faint of heart, but it's we've watched. Yeah, true. My final one is is Phone Booth from Joel Schumacher. Have you seen this? Is this the Colin Farrell movie?
01:09:29
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Yeah. When I saw this on the list, I was like, there's surely cannot be the Colin Farrell. No, no, no, it is. So once again, this guy I'm dating, we were at my house and it was one of those nights where it's like we're going to watch something, but there's just nothing to watch. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so we were flicking and he was like, oh, we're just going to watch this. I was like, fine. Whatever. Because I had never seen it before.
01:09:48
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It is indeed the 2002 masterpiece from Joel Schumacher starring Colin Farrell and the voice of Kiefer Sutherland. Forest Whitaker is also in this and Katie Holmes being that early 2000 Katie Holmes that we all know. I think I saw I think I saw this at the theater when I worked at the theater. Yeah, you know, like when Katie Holmes's face could only do one thing and it was sort of like angled down and smile with a weird crooked smile. That's what she does. The whole movie anyways.
01:10:17
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Phone booth. I wrote a review of this on Letterboxd, and this is it. My review was this is not a great movie. Ha ha. No shrug man. That was it. I gave it one star. This movie is colossally bad. It's really, really dumb. And it's so funny to like because like when you're looking on Letterboxd, you can see like what other people that you're friends with on Letterboxd rated it. And like somebody gave it four and a half stars out of five.
01:10:44
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And I'm like, are are you kidding? Like you gave phone booth four and a half stars. Anyways, phone booth is basically what it sounds like. There is a phone booth in Times Square for those of you listening that can't that that were born after 1999. We used to have phones on the street.
01:11:03
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Yeah, which is funny because I mean, he also has like this dude also has like two cell phones at the same time, but he uses this phone booth. He enjoys using it for business anyways. He is Colin Farrell is the guy and there is somebody that is tracking him unbeknownst to him. It's key for Sutherland.
01:11:20
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who is basically a serial killer who is hunting down people that he thinks are bad people, basically. And so this guy has the idea in his head that because Colin Farrell's character is calling Katie Holmes his character, that he's a bad dude. Why is he a bad dude? Because Colin Farrell's character is married.
01:11:40
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Now, has Colin have Colin Farrell and Katie Holmes ever hooked up? Have they ever been in a relationship or anything? No. Colin Farrell apparently just kind of gets off on like the idea that maybe he could do it basically. Well, this serial killer does not like that.
01:11:56
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Tell you that right now. I do not remember any of the plot. Well, I'm telling it to you now. This is this is award winning shit here. So what does he do? He waits until Colin Farrell is in the phone booth and then he calls him and he's like, if you leave that phone, but I'm going to shoot your ass. I got a fucking rifle pointed at you right now.
01:12:13
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And that is basically the whole movie. It just comes down to Colin Farrell can't leave the phone booth. And if he does, it's going to be bad. But he gets attacked by prostitutes. He gets attacked by a pizza delivery man. There are cops. There are this. His wife comes along.
01:12:28
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It's crazy and it's very- We need to use the phone. Basically, that's what it was. It's very dumb. And what's funny, I was trying to think like, okay, it's 2002 New York, there is something interesting there. Think about this, right? This came out just after 9-11, you know what I mean? And he's in Times Square. And so I gotta imagine that like,
01:12:56
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all of us back in 2002 must have found this exciting, you know, because it was a New York story and like all the shit was still going on with the with the war on terrorism or whatever you want to call it. Like that's that, you know, does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I was trying to keep that in mind just to like give it some kind of some kind of slack. But it didn't work. It is. It is a terrible movie. We did watch it. We finished it. We laughed quite a bit.
01:13:26
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And that's it. That's phone booth. I do not recommend a phone booth. Congratulations. There you go. I watch it so that you don't have to. Nice. I like that. We watch it so you don't have to. So my last one is not typical for me. I don't necessarily love true crime. I don't necessarily love true crime documentaries because I feel like it's
01:13:49
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I don't know. I get like, I feel a little like guilty about watching. I totally get that. I get that sometimes. Um, this one though, I had heard or recommended from a couple of people. So I went into it. I knew it was only three episodes. So I was like, you know what? We can knock this out in one night. Like it's easy watching. Uh, this is a American nightmare on Netflix. You said you watch this as well. I did. Yeah.
01:14:12
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Um, this story is wild and fucking nuts. The storm. So basically the story is, is that a woman goes missing and the man that is left behind has a very elaborate story to tell the police about how he was tied up and about how he was told he couldn't go beyond a certain perimeter. Otherwise he would be like either targeted or killed and da da da da da da.
01:14:40
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And he doesn't end up calling the police until like 24 hours after the one woman goes missing. And they just flat out don't believe him. And over the course of three episodes, I'm not going to give anything away, but you get kind of like three perspectives around like what happened on this night and how it all comes back to a larger crime. And it's very interesting to see that, like,
01:15:06
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God damn it, our police system is, at the end of the day, is just dumb people. Again, we're all just dumb people trying to be dumb people in a dumb world. And if we would just open our ears
01:15:23
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every once in a while, we would probably get a lot more done. But instead, we stay in our lane and we put our heads down and we just, you know, follow circumstance by circumstance.
Documentary Discussion and Recent Watchlist
01:15:36
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And we don't ever try to look outside the box. And in this whole documentary, it's so funny because it's such an elaborate, crazy story. Truly, truly like that, like one woman by just googling something kind of solves.
01:15:52
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Like, yeah, it's great. I mean, it's it's it's it's a it's a great story of people not doing their jobs. Yeah, like you just you didn't do your job and you and you thought you would get away with it and you didn't. And I mean, it's it's wild. I mean, you're right. And you don't give anything else away if they haven't seen it yet, because it's it's I think it's definitely worth seeing because the reveal is it's fucking nuts. It's in its whole entire thing. It's probably only about two and a half hours. So it's not like.
01:16:20
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a huge thing. But yeah, it's a crazy story and how it ends up tying back to like other things. And, you know, some of the things that you don't get solved by the end of it, you're just like, what the fuck? It does a great job of like making you think one thing and then flipping your brain. You know, that's what it does.
01:16:41
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That was all of them, right, Andrew? We did them all? That was all of them. Yeah. Okay, well, cool. That was what you've been watching, bitch, for episode 114. Andrew brought us The Traders on Peacock, True Detective Night Country on HBO, of course, or if you're over here on now, The Passenger on Amazon Prime, and American Nightmare on Netflix.
01:17:01
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And Maddie brought us the zone of interest, which is currently in cinemas. Poor things, which is probably going to be on demand soon, but is currently in cinemas. Panic in the year zero, which if you have the criterion collection or the criterion app, you can watch there. And then phone booth, which, you know, just you can watch it anywhere or actually just don't because you don't need to remember.
01:17:24
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Andrew, that's another edition of what you've been watching,
In-depth Analysis of 'The Taking of Deborah Logan'
01:17:28
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bitch. I think that our listeners can stay tuned for our first film coming up next, which is The Taking of Deborah Logan.
01:17:37
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The story of Alzheimer's is never about one person. Hey, Mom. They want to make a movie about me. Isn't that right? We're going to have fun, right? Yeah. OK, good. There's no cure. And so when I am in the middle of something and suddenly my mind just leaves the premises, there are no words to describe. This is not normal sleepwalking.
01:18:12
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You really gave us all quite a fright with your late night gardening. If I encouraged this memory to come out, would she then have some peace? Do you remember a man named Henri Des Hardins? Voice changes. Letting all my heat out. Self alteration. Feeling as if your body belongs to someone else.
01:18:39
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The notion of spiritual parasites does exist. Now I feel the brightest rain.
01:19:09
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Are you giving it away, or are you taking? Well, in this case, we're taking, and we're taking Deborah Logan. Maddie, tell us all about the taking of Deborah Logan. Andrew, what was that? I don't know. That was good though. Just let me have it. You know, folks, by the way, with those, we make them up right then and there. That's how genius we are as podcasters. Anyways, evil lives within you.
01:19:34
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What starts as a poignant medical documentary about Deborah Logan's descent into Alzheimer's disease and her daughter's struggles as caregiver degenerates into a maddening portrayal of dementia at its most frightening as hair-raising events begin to plague the family and crew and an unspeakable malevolence threatens to tear the very fabric of sanity from them all. I really went for it there. The taking of Deborah Logan,
01:20:02
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was directed by Adam Robitel, written by Gavin Heffernan and Adam Robitel, produced by Eagle Films, distributed by Millennium Entertainment. Deborah is played by Jill Larson, Sarah by Anne Ramsey, Mia by Michelle Eng, Harris by Ryan Catrona,
01:20:22
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Dr. Nazir by Anne Bedian, Gavin by Brent Gentile, Luis by Jeremy DeCarlos, and Kara by Julianne Taylor. The film is rated R. It's 90 minutes long. It's American. It was released October 21, 2014, filmed in Charlotte, North Carolina. And Andrew, I could not find any budget info on this one at all.
01:20:47
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I also don't think this was a theatrical release. So I think it was either. So probably not out there. Anyways, taking the Deborah Logan, it's not a first watch for either of us. But Andrew, I know that you really do like this one. So tell us a bit about your thoughts on this watch.
01:21:02
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Yeah, I remember I watched this. I want to say it went to Netflix back in 2014. I think you're right. Yeah, because I remember watching it there and I remember recommending it to you at the time. Yeah. This movie took me completely by surprise because when you're going into it, you don't.
01:21:21
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at least for me, and you can speak to your experience, I didn't really know like what to expect with this one. And it starts off so innocently enough to where you're like kind of lulled into like a little bit of like, oh, okay, like this is not going to be that bad. And then by the end of it, you're like, holy shit, what is happening?
01:21:42
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Yeah, it gets crazy. But what I really enjoy about this movie is I think that the main performances, specifically Deborah and Sarah and even Mia, to a certain extent.
01:21:57
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all have very key roles within this movie, and I think they do a really good job, especially Deborah. That's just such a committed role to be in. I don't know how that actress did that, because when you first see her, she's a very prim and proper, I would say East Coast person.
01:22:21
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And by the end of it, she's a snake demon. So yeah. Yeah. But listen, do I have some issues with this movie? Of course. But at the end of the day, I think that it's kind of a celebration of the found footage like like.
01:22:43
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that part of it because I do think that it does pull it off. Does it get a little messy towards the end? Yeah, I will say. But the lead up to it and the premise of it, I think, are so original that every time I watch this, I'm really surprised by it because whoever put this together, which I guess it's Gavin Heffernan and Adam Robitel,
01:23:07
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Like they put a lot of thought into this and I really do applaud kind of the originality. You know, we just talked about, you know, talk to me, which we praised for being very original. But like this is really original and like really interesting and like does tell a very compelling story about kind of this like Alzheimer's disease and about family and about just
01:23:33
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You know what the whole premise of this episode is, is getting older. But just like it's very honest to a certain extent until it gets into the supernatural. And then it does obviously go crazy. But overall,
01:23:48
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I was completely taken aback from this movie back in the day in 2014 and still am today to be honest because I do think that it's a really good movie with a lot of surprises that I honestly I don't think I watched this movie since I originally watched it because there's a couple of parts that just and we'll talk about it but just yeah sure fucking great my
01:24:09
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brain I don't want to watch But overall really like this movie. What about you? Yeah, I like it too There are some issues in character development that I'll talk about later But they're they're pretty ancillary if I'm being honest like and they're just like a couple of things that annoy me But like listen there I have a podcast. I gotta talk about something. Do you know what I mean? Yeah
01:24:35
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Overall, I think this is a really good movie. And also, I did not realize that Jill Larson, who plays Deborah Logan,
01:24:43
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was opal on all my children for all those years. Did not realize that until I just looked at her fucking IMDB. Anyways, also, she was in Shutter Island. She was in Manor and some other things. She was also in White Squall, or as I call it, a movie to masturbate to. Yes, of course. God, those guys, God, they were so cute in that era. Should we just have an episode about White Squall because we're talking about it enough?
01:25:12
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I am. I'm fine with that. And also I'm going to watch that later. Maybe we'll see. Anyways. Yeah. So look, it's a it's a really interesting movie. Alzheimer's is crazy. And I've only known one person that has had it. And that would be my cousin, Chuckie or Charlotte. And Chuckie was fucking awesome. And my my my cousin, my dear cousin, Mark and his husband, Robert.
01:25:40
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took care of Chucky until she died. And so, you know, I definitely saw sort of like the breakdown of somebody with Alzheimer's and how it goes. And, you know, I think that this film is, you know, obviously it's a horror film. They're gonna show the darkest side of that possible.
01:25:58
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Well, she's also possessed by a child murderer. So I mean, what starts as a movie about Alzheimer's just turns into really a possession horror movie in the end. And I think that they do a really good job of it. I mean, listeners, long time listeners will know that I'm not the biggest fan of like found footage. That's not really my thing.
01:26:21
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um but this one I think does a pretty good job of it because it's not shitty found footage like it's it's supposed to be produced because like it's a film crew making it you know but also I mean like and someone's gonna say well what about this or what about that like yeah but it's not like
01:26:37
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It's not like Blair Witch where it's like jumpy all over the place. Do you know what I mean? Well, the good thing about this movie is that they established that they are editing it while they are filming it. Right. So that's why you have like music stings or that's why you have like the graphics and stuff because they're there. They established that like the first half of this movie, they were editing it while they were filming it. Yeah. So the only thing that I don't really like about this movie
01:27:05
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And this is pretty nitpicky, Andrew, to be honest, is the development of the crew, like the development of the crew, like the Gavin guy, like.
01:27:14
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There are parts of it, because I watched it again today just because. There are parts where I wrote these down. What was it? Where are you? Is Gavin the one that likes to touch everything? Yeah, he's kind of like a dick. Honestly, that's a great place to start. When he comes in and he starts touching stuff, I'm like, what is this? And then he's like, is there a Starbucks in town? I'm like, oh, come on.
01:27:40
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man. This is where we're going with it. And then like when the part where he's like, um, uh, Luis is in here and I'm in the camera and guess what? I don't know what's going on here, but I'm going to go hang my aunt's cross on the window in my head. I was like, why do you have your aunt's cross with you? Number one, definitely the weakest character of the bunch. And that's just it. Like everything with him is just, it's not good. And the, what, the thing that I don't know, maybe you know about this, about the movie is how much of this was scripted. Do you know?
01:28:09
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I don't actually. I can imagine that they probably had a much like Blair Witch Project. They probably had like an overall like arc of like what was going to happen. But a lot of it was probably ad libbed. I think. Yeah, sure.
01:28:25
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A lot of the beginning the movie like when they first are introduced to deborah and she's kind of taking them around the house and she's kind of like oh and no cold mingling and doo doo doo and yeah like all that so i'm guaranteeing that that most of that is ad libbed so i think that's i think that's some of the ad lib which ad lib has a tendency to do can feel a little cheap here and there.
01:28:47
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Yeah. Well, some some people can do it and some people can't. I think can't. Right. I think that Anne Ramsey, who is a seasoned actress, good at it. And Jill Larson, who plays Deborah Logan, are very good at it. Whereas whereas like lesser characters like Dr. Nazir or Gavin.
01:29:05
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I'm not as good at it. OK, can we talk about Dr. Nazir? The moment I knew Dr. Nazir was not a doctor is when she said hypocampus instead of hippocampus. Yeah. And I was like, honey, that's just that's just I'm not a doctor. But I play one on TV.
01:29:20
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And I think everyone knows how to pronounce hippocampus. Like that's just, that's how you pronounce it. Um, yeah. And also I just kept thinking Abunazir from, um, from, uh, what is it? Homeland homeland. All I could do was Abunazir the whole time. Um, but yeah, so like Gavin is literally like the weakest thing of this movie from, from the moment, the moment he walks in to the, to the, the moment where he's putting the cross in the window for no reason, or when he,
01:29:45
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Looks at the looks at at Deborah's paintings and it's like this old lady's got issues. I'm like, oh, yeah Well, that means you heard about this that purse pissed me off because he just throws all the paintings on the floor That's just it it's like
01:30:02
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I don't understand why the filmmakers were like, let's make the crew contentious. Once again, I like the movie. Let's just establish that. But I think that it could have been even stronger if the crew liked each other.
01:30:17
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You know what I mean? Well, this is the thing. Like if you introduce a character like Gavin, who is kind of a doofus, who is kind of just like not respectful of anything, then that character deserves a fitting ending. The creator deserves kind of like a comeuppance at some point. And just in this movie, he just gets to leave. In this movie, he drives off with a horn that goes doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. And I was like,
01:30:46
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No. Yeah. That doesn't work. I will totally agree with you. I think character Gavin was not handled correctly. And I think that we could have gotten something better from that character. But but. Yeah. But other than that, though, I mean, this is this is a film that really works. Now, I do I do also think that like you got to kind of stretch a little bit to like get into the whole Monica and culture thing. It's it's.
01:31:08
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It's definitely like, whoa, that comes out of nowhere here at all. Like when we go when we go to the the one quote unquote doctor. And he's like he's a doctor who's got he's got like Britannica encyclopedia. Yes. Yeah. I mean.
01:31:25
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And he's like, well, this is clearly a snake ritual from the Monacan natives. And I'm like, what's a snake ritual? But what's what's what's actually cool about that is that like, I mean, look, it's a little bit corny, if we're being honest, but it does work. But I think it's original, at least. Well, that's just it. It works for a number of reasons, because like literally, look,
01:31:49
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Once again, it comes out of nowhere. And because it comes out of nowhere, if you're not going to commit to this, it's not going to work. And let me tell you that they fucking they commit to it. And I think that you're absolutely right. Like, look, Jill Larson really gives it all in this. Oh, my God. She's she's incredible. I mean, she she has an awful lot to play here and she plays it all. I think the best that she possibly could play it.
01:32:12
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When, when they're going to interview her after she's had one of her first manic episodes and she just looks right at the camera and she goes, well, now I just feel right as rain. And it's like, Oh my God, bitch. You know what? That's, that's, that's fucking all my children coming back. That that's what helped her there. I would say that maybe the only other part that could have used a little bit more development was, was the fact that her daughter is a lesbian. Like it didn't,
01:32:38
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I like, I guess it wasn't it wasn't clear that, you know, that her mom accepted it. Like, yeah, she knew, but kind of didn't know or didn't want to know more. You know what I mean? Well, and it's also kind of like I didn't really understand like why it even mattered. Like there was there was one part where like it was after she's digging in the in the ground or whatever. And yeah. And me as washing her hands and like she's clearly where she's looking at that. Oh, yeah.
01:33:05
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Yeah. And then she's clearly still in some kind of state and she says, my daughter doesn't like men. She never cleans her nails. And I was just kind of like, okay. And like, got it. So I mean, like, I don't know if maybe that was a thing that like in the ad libbing of this, like, you know, a lot of times when those when development like that, like that happened in the story,
01:33:27
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Like the, like literally the actors get together and just make it up sometimes. And like this, this is a, it's a good strand. It's something to think about. Like it's, it's definite, like.
01:33:36
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great development for for Anne Ramsey's character to like, you know, do something cool with it. I just don't think that maybe it played out as neatly as it should have in the movie. But once again, that's that's something that doesn't deter or detract from the fact that it's still a great horror film. Well, for instance, there's a part where they are packing away all of Deborah's. I call them precious moments like those little statutes hurt. Those are humbles. They're humbles.
01:34:03
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Yeah, they're like little statues of little people or whatever. Little German guys. And they're kind of packaging them all the way. And Deborah, they have a moment where Deborah's like, well, I don't know why we have to do this. And Anne Ramsey's character goes, because you're eating them. But they never go back to that.
01:34:23
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Oh, yeah, sure. So like I kind of I know where you're coming from, like the ad living sometimes like it reveals something about the script that maybe the filmmakers didn't intend to have in the script so that they don't have a way out from that.
01:34:40
Speaker
Um, but I still think that that's actually one of my favorite lines where she's like, well, you keep eating them. Right. But I want to know more about that. But then again, too, like, I mean, like Adam Robitel hasn't directed that many movies. Like he's directed some some he's directed a couple of things that are pretty big, like Insidious, The Last Key. He directed that escape room and escape room three is coming out in 2025. I guess he's with that and escape room. I don't know. I didn't watch his escape room and then escape room Tournament of Champions. He directed both of those.
01:35:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And then something called The Saga of Bloody Benders. Oh, I don't I don't know. It looks like maybe that might be like his college film. Anyways, he hasn't directed all that much. And so like this is definitely like his first big one. And so look, first time directors are there is going to be something, you know, something wrong. That's just by that's just like the nature of the game. There's not a whole lot wrong with this. I think that the the possession stuff really works quite well. It's scary.
01:35:39
Speaker
Oh, well, it's it's bloody, it's gory, it's crazy. And I'm sorry, but like both these movies will have to talk about skin stuff. And I brought it up earlier. So much skin like when she degloves herself to get out of the handcuffs, I am not into that.
01:35:55
Speaker
I could not handle it or like there's that part where she's sitting with the physician and they're doing like a memory game. And she's like, I don't know. I don't know. And she's just itching her arm. She's like, like, nervously and then she just tears off her skin. I was like, I.
01:36:13
Speaker
There's a reason why I haven't gone back to this movie, and it's because of parts like that where I'm just like, I can't see that. It's because Andrew loves his own skin. He wants it to stay on his body. I am terrified at the idea that my skin will one day be so thin that it will just come off. Like paper, Andrew. Seriously. Like paper, yeah.
01:36:39
Speaker
Um, I do like the, the turn in this movie, we talked about it a little bit, but where, you know, Deborah Logan was once kind of the, uh, town message taker. So she controlled like a switchboard. She had an answering service. Yeah. And she would kind of be employed by all of these like upper echelon people that needed like messages taken. And that's how she hears about, you know, the physician killing little girls.
01:37:05
Speaker
Um, we get the turn that the guy has Lou Gehrig's disease and he wants to live forever. So he is completing a ritual by a snake God, um, where he has to kill five women that are on their menstrual cycle, which, but which by the end I was like, well, this little girl is clearly not. Oh, isn't it like it's like their first menstrual cycle though?
01:37:31
Speaker
But that little girl looks like she's only about nine or 10 years old. So I mean, they get that. I don't know anything about this, but I think like don't girls like isn't it the fact that like girls get it really early now, though? I'm not even trying to be dumb. Like I thought I thought that. And listen, I'm not a woman, so I don't know this. But from all of the females that I know who were born in probably between 1980 and 1988. Sure. Yeah. It it it came around like 12 years old, 13 years old.
01:37:59
Speaker
Yeah, she doesn't appear to be that age here. She doesn't.
01:38:03
Speaker
But maybe because of her condition, you know, she has cancer. That's a good point. Yeah, sure. I don't know. Anyway, I do like the turn that like we kind of get like, you know, the beginning of this is all about a documentary about Alzheimer's. But then we get the turn that like Dejardin, the doctor, which is really funny because I grew up with a girl. I grew up. I grew up with a girl and her last name was Dejardin. I was like, wait. But
01:38:32
Speaker
Oh, it's so funny. And I do. You know, the first freak out is where Deborah is like, you took my spade. You took my spade. I can't find my spade. And then that comes back at the end to where that's what she used to kill. I do. I do like those little moments that they do telegraph very early on in the movie that if you don't pay attention, you won't you won't think about. But there are a lot of little Easter eggs that you really find on a second or third watch of this movie.
01:39:02
Speaker
Um, and then we get the most meme worthy part of our, you know, most gift worthy part of the taking out. Deborah Logan is where she is swallowing a little girl. Yeah. Like a snake. Um, because I don't know if you have her damn mouth open up.
01:39:23
Speaker
She's she's unhinging her jaw to follow a I would say nine year old girl. You know, it's dinner. It's dinner these days, you know, which that's the only part that I didn't quite understand because we're led to believe that Dejardin back in whatever when Sarah was a child was killing these girls, but he wasn't consuming them.
01:39:47
Speaker
So like he also hadn't really transformed, right? I mean, he was just like, maybe that's maybe that's just what happens on the fifth one. You know what I mean? Like maybe that's like the the the the the the the extra part. Sure. But then we learn from Harris, who's the next door neighbor, that Sarah was supposed to be the fifth victim. And that's why Deborah killed Dejardin. I do think that that's a nice little turn.
01:40:12
Speaker
Before before Harris gets drunk and brings out a shotgun. I did think it was funny that when the police come to get Harris, not only is he drinking a beer, he's drinking a beer in a brown bag. I was like, of course, you really you really piled that one on on with the brown bag, huh?
01:40:31
Speaker
Um, I do like all of the, uh, language where he's like, where the little girl's like, he's a nice man. He's going to clean me in the river. Like those kinds of things and how she's speaking French and like kids are fucking creepy. And there's a lot of like, listen, this movie is pretty scary. I'm not going to lie. There are a lot of parts that made me jump.
01:40:53
Speaker
Um, I thought the running line of the addicts was really hilarious. How that one guy Luis is like, damn, how many addicts do you people have? Because they have at least three addicts. And he's like, damn, all you white people with your basements and addicts. Southern people are crazy.
01:41:12
Speaker
Um, but yeah, just overall, I think that this movie has a lot going for it. Um, I will say I got a little, um, sick of the, uh, found footage by the end because I just wanted to see what was happening and it was just so like, Oh, the lights are off. Oh, the lights are on vision. It's night vision. Now it's lights on off lights on off night vision. And I'm just like, can you just.
01:41:38
Speaker
Let's just wrap it up here. I will say too, there's one moment in the midst of that though, where like they're down in the cave or the mine or whatever. And there's one part, I don't know if you felt the same way, but like, where you're kind of like, could this maybe turn with like a little bit of a weird reveal? Like there was a moment where I was like,
01:41:58
Speaker
What if this turns into like Sarah being in on it in some way? You know what's really funny? The first time I watched this, I thought that was what was gonna happen because she's so into it and she's so like, she's like just so accepting of everything that she's like- It almost feels put on.
01:42:18
Speaker
Yeah, that she's like leading Mia into like being part of it. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's almost like Mia is going to get down there and Mia is the actual sacrifice. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I remember seeing this the first time and thinking that so.
01:42:33
Speaker
It's a good, good point. Um, a couple of other things, the spinal tap scene, I realized that that's an actual medical procedure and that's actually how it's done. But like that
01:42:49
Speaker
The way that they linger on that and they even show like the what would you call that? Not bone, spinal, spinal fluid, spinal fluid coming out of that bubbling, bubbling. I could I had to look away like I know I have chills. I have chills right now thinking about it. Honestly, my God, there are just certain things in this movie like where they show her like her skin reaction where it's like starting to scale. And I was like, yeah, it's terrible. Oh, my God. Terrible.
01:43:17
Speaker
The way that these filmmakers just linger on some of these, like, issues, I'm just like, wow, you guys really committed to this. So anyway, that's the taking of Deborah Logan. Maddie, here at Fraggate the 13th Horror Podcast, we judge on a seven stripe scale for the seven stripes of the gay old rainbow. What do you give the taking of Deborah Logan? I give the taking of Deborah Logan a five. And I said, I like this film, but I wish the filmmakers had made some better choices with character development.
01:43:45
Speaker
And I gave it a 5.5. I said, I love this movie and its originality. I think the fun footage aspect gets a little old by the end, but strong performances and a shocking ending made this a high recommend. That does it for the taking of Deborah Logan. We'll be right back with our second film of the episode, Relic. When was the last time you spoke to him? It's been a few weeks. Grand?
01:44:16
Speaker
Mum? She called me a few weeks ago. I think she was scared. She thought someone was coming into the house.
01:44:46
Speaker
Tea? Do you know where you were, Mum? I suppose I went out. What's this? I was on the property when your grandfather inherited it. His mind wasn't there in the end. You can't put Gran in a home. She can't live on her own anymore. She has to be watched. Everything all right, Gran?
01:45:15
Speaker
I thought this was where it got in. Who? Whoever it was coming into the house. Mum, what is it? It's here. Under the bed. There's nothing under the bed, mum. Who do you check for?
01:45:50
Speaker
I'm here to help you, Mom. I can see you. This house seems unfamiliar.
01:46:23
Speaker
Damn, you're so old, you're practically a relic. Andrew, tell us all about relic. Everything decays. When Edna, the elderly and widowed matriarch of the family goes missing, her daughter and granddaughter travel to their remote family home to find her. Soon after her return, they start to discover a sinister presence haunting the house and taking control of Edna.
01:46:53
Speaker
directed by Natalie Erika James, written by Natalie Erika James and Christian White. Production and a distribution was handled by Nine Stories Productions and Film Australia, handled by IFC Midnight. EDNA is played by Ribbon.
01:47:08
Speaker
Nevan, Kay is played by Emily Mortimer, Sam is played by Bella Heathcote, and Jamie is played by Chris Bunton. This is not rated. This was filmed in Australia. It comes in at 89 minutes. It was released in the end.
01:47:23
Speaker
horrible year of the pandemic on October 7th of 2020, filmed in Melbourne, Australia, and the budget is not known, but it grossed just about $3.2 million. This is a first time watch for me. This was one of the ones that looked depressing and I was depressed during the pandemic, so I didn't watch this.
01:47:49
Speaker
glad to go back to it and kind of see what was going on during this time in filmmaking. And I think it fits our premise here today.
First Impressions and Critique of 'Relic'
01:47:59
Speaker
But Maddie, what did you think about Relic? Yes, it was also a first time watch for me. Relic is
01:48:08
Speaker
Really, I think is it's an interesting film that where I think it just gets it's like lost isn't the word that I want to use. I was going to say it gets lost in the sauce, but it's just like it doesn't. I don't think it really knows what it wants to do.
01:48:26
Speaker
And I don't think it's bad and I don't think it's exploring something not worthy of exploration. I just think it doesn't know how to end up with what it wants to end up at. Which what I think is where I think this film wants to end
01:48:45
Speaker
is basically like, uh, like assuage yourself of the guilt and like take care of those around you the best you can at the end. I don't know. Is that, is that what you got essentially? Listen, I think that this is kind of like three movies in one and I don't know that they really committed to any of these. I think that's it. Like any of the, like I don't,
01:49:13
Speaker
I just wish that there was a little bit more here because there is a lot of stuff done really well. Sure. Agreed. I think that a lot of the scares are good. I was creeped out a lot of the time, but at the end of the movie, I don't know what the fuck I just watched.
01:49:30
Speaker
If I'm being totally honest, I texted Maddie the other night when I watched this and I just said, what is the last 20 minutes of this movie about? And that's just it. I think you're right. It's multiple films in one, in 89 minutes, and it doesn't commit to any of them.
01:49:47
Speaker
Like, is this a film about guilt? Is it a film about mother-daughter? Is it a film about mother-daughter-mother-daughter? Like, generational trauma? Is it a film about trauma? Is it a film about getting old? It doesn't know what to do with itself. And then at the end, is this a creature film? Or is this, like, what is it? And I, you know, let's just skip, let's just fucking skip all the way to the end, right? So here's where the skin comes into play, right?
01:50:13
Speaker
This whole time, just to be clear here, this is about a mother-daughter and a mother-daughter, right? So it's two generations. And the matriarch goes missing, as we hear in the plot. And mother and daughter go to check up on mother and also grandma. And in the midst of it, they learn that they're going to have to stick around longer. They're going to have to be there.
01:50:38
Speaker
And there's some contention about that and there's clearly some drama between the younger mother and daughter, as there is also drama between the older mother and daughter, so it just kind of plays down generationally. And in the course of all of it, just a lot of crazy shit happens, but you don't really know what's going on. And then it ends up,
01:50:58
Speaker
after a lot of crazy shit with the the matriarch and the and her daughter in a room where the daughter peels off the skin of the grandma to reveal this like black bean
01:51:19
Speaker
Underneath basically. I have my notes. Is this an alien? Yeah, I literally wrote the same thing. I was like an alien. Is that what we're going with here? Is this a fairy? Is this like because, you know, like a lot of like and a lot of like Irish stuff which can carry over. It ends up being a fairy. Yeah, it ends up being like or a fucking mermaid or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, is that what we're trying to do? But we never get the answer. So you never get the answer. Also, also, did you know that Jake Gyllenhaal produced this?
01:51:48
Speaker
Oh, no. Crazy. I did not know that until the credits. And I was like, oh, wow. Executive producer was also Joe Russo was one of the producers. Mike LaRocca was one of them. Just some people you just didn't expect in there anyways. Yeah. And that just ends up being the thing is I don't really know what's actually occurred in here. And well, and then we also get the side.
01:52:12
Speaker
Sorry. I just want to finish out this one thought. So the skin comes off, the black being beneath, the youngest daughter walks in and they all kind of cuddle together only to reveal that the middle mom also has whatever the grandma had.
01:52:30
Speaker
and the daughter is freaked out by it of course old people they all have this thing and i don't know if it's i don't know what it is i i just i don't know andrew we watch enough movies and analyze enough of them i should be able to get this but am i done is that what this is
01:52:48
Speaker
I get what they're trying to say. I get that they're trying to say like, um, like deterioration, Alzheimer's disease, those kinds of things are generational and they're, they're handed down by genetics. Like, so you're predispositioned, like if whatever your parents have, there is predisposition that you could probably have that too. And that's kind of like what that's alluding to. But like,
01:53:09
Speaker
What the fuck is the woman? What is the grandma? Is she obsessed? Because throughout the movie, we get this sort of being in the background. There's the part where the grandma is like, it's under the bed right now. And Emily Mortimer looks under the bed and sees something breathing. Does she look any further?
01:53:32
Speaker
No, that's what really frustrates me about this fucking movie. So I mean, is that it then? Is Alzheimer's the thing trying to come in the house? Is that what this is alluding to the whole time?
01:53:43
Speaker
Or is it something to do with the grandpa? No idea. Or the great grandpa that lives out in the shed. And that's just the thing. It's like the film is only 89 minutes long. It's not enough time to make this idea occur so that you actually understand it. The plot even says, discover a sinister presence haunting the house and taking control of Edna. At the end of the day, you don't know what that is. And when does it happen? Yeah, exactly.
01:54:12
Speaker
because she's kind of crazy throughout. Does she have Alzheimer's or is it an actual being possessing her? With Deborah Logan, we learn this is not Alzheimer's. This is not dementia. It is the presence of a business man doing a snake ritual. Here,
01:54:36
Speaker
Is at the end of the day, is it the bean or is it Alzheimer's or what is it? Just make it clear. And like what I wrote down after I watched it, because I watched it again today and I watched it last night, I said, I'm sure the symbology and the meaning hits somebody that watches this. It just doesn't hit me.
01:54:54
Speaker
And at the end of the day, like I said, there's great things about this. The acting is really good. It looks like a really cool movie. It literally looks cool. Like the environment is really good. Yeah. And it's not a terrible idea. It just doesn't work. It doesn't quite cross the finish line for me. Agreed.
01:55:15
Speaker
I just I was really I was really frustrated by this movie because there are so many parts where our main characters, which is essentially Emily Mortimer and her daughter. And there are so many parts where they can investigate further or they don't like the part where the the the washer and dryer is like rocking back and forth. And like she goes to check it. She looks in the washer
01:55:41
Speaker
But she never looks in the dryer. Yeah. And I'm like, the dryer is the one that would make it rock back and forth like that, not the washer. So why? And then she looks under the bed and sees the creature. Oh, her mom dropped a book on her. So she she hit her head on the bed and you drop it on me on purpose. And so now you're not going to look again because you saw clearly saw a creature under the bed breathing. Agreed. Like it's
01:56:08
Speaker
They do these things that are really creepy and really scary and I really want to be on board. And then they just cut away to another scene. And I'm like, well, what I don't like, I don't like it when horror films do a thing and then pretend and then there's a character that pretends the thing didn't happen.
01:56:25
Speaker
Right. I don't I don't get into that. Unless like unless it's being clearly developed that that that character is like avoiding that, then fine. But like literally she acts like it didn't happen. And like it's not because she's pretending that it didn't happen. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes, absolutely. So it's at the end of the day, what is the audience supposed to do? Like you have one character who's supposed to be the rational one here saying there's nothing there. OK.
01:56:55
Speaker
Do you want me to believe them or not? Well, and highlighted by this this scene right here towards the beginning of the movie, they both are awoken in the middle of the night by a banging in the wall. Right. Right. And the banging in the wall. Then they see that there is clearly like a water damaged wall going up the fireplace. Do they do anything about it? Nope. Like they just walk away. No big deal.
01:57:22
Speaker
Clearly, I think Edna and all of these characters are suffering from mold poisoning because there's literally mold in this entire house that you do not take care of. And it's clear because the walls in this house suck and they just go through them all as they're all kind of like trying to get away from the Bean or from Grandma.
01:57:44
Speaker
And then we have the whole side quest of them being in like the upside down of this house that I was like, what are we trying to say here? Because the the the young woman, Sam, who looks exactly like a mix between Emily Blunt and Jane Levy,
01:58:05
Speaker
Yeah, good point there. She goes into a linen closet that then goes into a mysterious hallway that then leads into like literally like an Alice in Wonderland moldy version of the house that she's in.
01:58:22
Speaker
And we never get any sort of explanation of what's happening. Yeah, it just and that's I mean, we could probably spend another 10 minutes just going. We don't know what happened. But I mean, I do think that at the end of the day, that's just it. And I mean, it's a shame because there there are some really interesting, like generational things here that I think could have been explored better. And a lot of and a lot of really good scenes of like this old woman like
01:58:49
Speaker
freaking out about the whole part where she gives the ring to Sam. And then later on, she was like, why do you have my ring? And those parts are all pulled off really successfully. The human interaction and the trauma parts of this movie work really, really well. It's the supernatural
01:59:11
Speaker
crazy stuff that I just don't get. I mean, look, there are other people that really love this movie. So I've done this on other episodes where we look at some letterbox reviews. There's Schlock Horror, who says that it's the final 25 minutes that had me on the edge of my seat. It's the execution that will most probably upset people, but I thought the payoff was brilliant and heartbreaking.
01:59:35
Speaker
Um, another person that we love dearly, Joseph, uh, says haunting, eerie, unsettling with an unexpectedly heart rendering ending. Um, the hopelessness of watching the person you once knew become a shell of themselves. Uh, while all you can do is later and watch. So, I mean, you know, like I said, this is a movie that, that clearly hits for other people for sure. And I don't think it didn't hit for us. I just think both of us had the exact same vibe from this, which was we are.
02:00:03
Speaker
We're disappointed that the confusion was not maybe allayed here.
02:00:08
Speaker
Yeah, I just listen in every movie, do I need everything explained to 100% to me? No, but like I do need like a little bit. Yeah. And like there's another one here from from Evolution of Horror, another really great horror podcast in the UK. And Evolution of Horror says some cool stuff here. And this is what I really agree with, Andrew. But a bit heavy handed felt more interested in themes and metaphors than characters and story.
02:00:37
Speaker
And I think that's just it. It's like, you know, the last part of it, I wrote, like, the last part of it is a bit histrionic. Like, okay, I get it. Like, the mom is no longer the mom. She's just like this, you know, peel away all the layers. And this is the being that's left there and, you know, see what's there and care for it and be compassionate. Like, I get all of that.
02:01:01
Speaker
But like, that's a little much. But you can't you can't also follow that up with her chasing them through the house with a knife while her leg is broken. And I mean, that's just it. Right. It's it takes a little. It takes the the twists and turns to get there are too much, I think. Oh, and another thing I will say about both of these movies tonight is everybody, we have electricity for a reason on a goddamn.
02:01:28
Speaker
Jesus Christ, put floodlights in the fucker if you need to. And also Edna, I will buy those candles from you. Tell me where you sell them on Etsy because I did like them. Thank you, Edna. Thank you.
02:01:41
Speaker
I did have in my notes, I'm like, every time this woman goes to take a bath, she lights about 70 candles. And I'm like, do we think this woman should be having candles? To speak to some of the lines that really did work, there were some that I wrote down today, which were such a coldness in the house. It's just been waiting until I'm weak enough, alone enough.
02:02:05
Speaker
Um, or when she looks at her daughter and says, I'm losing everything. Okay. That was, you know, that that's really the whole scene in the woods where she's going to bury a full album. That was harrowing. And that was like really well done and really
02:02:27
Speaker
I think hit home what was happening in the movie, but like you said earlier, or like one of those reviews that you read, it just gets a little heavy handed by the end. We get it. You successfully pulled this off by that scene in the woods.
02:02:44
Speaker
And you there's just there's so many parts where I think that this just this movie needed an editor. And I think that it maybe would have been more successful as a hour long movie, because I think that the whole upside down and where they're in the walls, I just think that that is unnecessary for what you're trying to get across in this movie.
02:03:07
Speaker
So I totally agree with you that this could have been a short. And I also think, but this might sound dumb, but I don't care. This could have been animated. And in some ways, I wonder if like the mystical nature that the filmmaker was going for would come across better. You exactly could have come across in a wholly different way that like,
02:03:27
Speaker
If you've seen an animated film, by the essential nature of it, you know that you're kind of in a different universe because it's fucking animated, duh. Yeah, you almost need that one layer of unbelievable. Exactly. And that might have given this a layer. I mean, look, use the voices of these incredible actors and go for it. But I just sort of wonder if that medium wouldn't have served this story in a better way.
02:03:57
Speaker
Yeah, I know. I totally agree with you. I, I get what they were trying to do. And I think that they were successful in certain ways, but I think when they tried to turn it into like a horror movie, it maybe was not as successful.
02:04:12
Speaker
Completely agree. Andrew, what did you rate Relic? You know, I'm going to give Relic a 4.5. I think that, you know, when the creeps are there, they're effective. But I think overall the story is just not quite baked. And I really don't know what happened. Yeah.
02:04:30
Speaker
I'll be right with you. I'll also give it a 4.5 and I said that something in here just gets lost and the end feels a bit histrionic. I suppose 89 minutes is just a short time to develop such a big story. All right, well that will do it for our horror in the movies. We'll be right back to talk about the year that we were born.
02:04:56
Speaker
Later today, Flossie's family is going to be coming out here to throw you a big birthday party. Are you excited for your party? Not one bit.
02:05:06
Speaker
This is Flossy Dicky and check it out folks, we got her her very own Good Day Spokane coffee mug. She is enjoying some coffee this morning because Flossy, you say you're a little tired this morning, is that right? I am tired. She is very tired. That's actually, I heard your favorite activity to do at the center here is to take a little nap. Take a nap as many times as I can.
02:05:34
Speaker
Well folks, that does it for episode 114, but before we let you go, we'll end as usual with one of our classic trademark games that have really difficult rules. And this one, Andrew, tell us about it. So based on the fact that we're all getting old,
02:05:53
Speaker
I thought we should look back at when we were born. Yeah. And let's do a couple of little trivia questions about the years that we were born. I'll quiz Maddie. He'll quiz me and we'll go from there. Sounds good. All right, Maddie. On in 1982, when you were born, what famous soda went on shelves for the first time? Pepsi?
02:06:22
Speaker
Think a version of a soda. Cherry Pepsi or Cherry Coke? You're close, but this was the first year. Dr. Pepper. No, no, no. This is the first year that Diet Coke appeared. Oh, really? No way. OK.
02:06:43
Speaker
Also along the lines of that, Crystal Light, Pepsi Free, a French's Bold and Spicy Mustard, and Vianeta Ice Cream all appeared on shelves in 1982. Vianeta Ice Cream. I used to think that was like only fancy people. They were the ones, they were the only ones that could possibly afford.
02:07:03
Speaker
or people that or people that were on a shop till you drop or, you know, those I feel like those were always commercials that were on during game shows. But, um, Andrew, and so you were born in 1984 in the 1984 Academy Awards. Oh, gosh. What do you think won best actor?
02:07:29
Speaker
Oh, I can't even think of what movies came out at night because it would be 1930. How about this? I'll give you the list of winners and you can choose which one. How does that sound? Okay. Yeah. Perfect. So Albert Finney for the dresser. Tom Courtenay for the dresser. Tom, Tom, I know, I don't even know what those are to be honest. Tom Conti for Reuben Reuben. I've never seen that before. Michael Caine for educating Rita or Robert Duvall for tender mercies. Uh, educating Rita.
02:07:58
Speaker
It was Robert Duvall for Tender Mercies. Yeah. You know, I have never seen any of those movies that you listed. So I have seen I've seen educating Rita, but that's the only one that I've seen out of those. All right. In 1982, what popular listening device first appeared on shelves in Japan for the first time ever?
02:08:23
Speaker
Listening device. Yes. Personal listening device. Was it the Walkman? Compact disc player. Yes. Oh, OK. Gotcha. OK, cool. So it would not it would not make it. It would not make it to the U.S. until the next year, but it was in Japan at the time. I did not know that was 82. OK, cool. Andrew, in the 1984 presidential election, Ronald Reagan won. OK.
02:08:53
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Mm hmm. Who did he defeat? I don't remember. Who did he defeat? Can you get it? Um, it would have was it the president before that? So this is going to be a two part question, actually. So who did he defeat? Did he defeat? What's his face, senior? Our president, senior, I can't think of his name right now.
02:09:24
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You know what I'm talking about? Um, no. Okay. So that didn't get it right then. Who is it? So he defeated Walter Mondale, who was the former US vice president. And here's the second part of the question. How many States did Ronald Reagan win in this election? He was pretty popular because he was a film star. So I'm going to say that he won
02:09:53
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38 states. He won 49 states. Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? He won every state except for Wisconsin. That's the one state that he didn't win. Wow. Well, like I said, he was a pretty popular. As they say.
02:10:10
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All right, Maddie, moving on to adult beverages. Okay. What from Anheuser-Busch. They had a new product this year. What was it? Anheuser-Busch.
02:10:25
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Bud Light. You're correct. Bud Light first appeared on shelves in 1982. Oh, it's crazy. Okay. It's the same year as Diet Coke. So everyone was on the Diet Light trend. Isn't that really just interesting? That's so interesting.
02:10:44
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Um, the last one that I have here for you, Andrew is a win second here. I just lost the list. Here we go. What was the number one hits? Oh God, there were some good fucking songs in 84. Okay. But Andrew, what was the number one song in 1984 from billboard's hot 100? Can you give me the artist or does that give too much away?
02:11:12
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Well, no, no, no, you know what? I'll tell you because this, this artist could, it could be a lot of their songs, right? So the artist was Prince. Hmm. When doves cry. When doves cry was the number one. Yeah. I'll give you, I'll give you the top five just for fun. Oh no. Actually I want to give you the top 10 cause these are fucking awesome Andrew. Okay. Number one. Listen, if you put on a 1984 Spotify playlist, it's,
02:11:38
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it jam-packed like incredible number one was when doves cry number two what's love got to do with it number three say say say from Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson number four fucking footloose from Kenny Loggins number five against all odds take a look at me now from Phil Collins number six jump from Van Halen number seven hello from Lionel Richie
02:11:59
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number eight owner of a lonely heart from yes number nine ghostbusters ray parker jr and number fucking 10 karma chameleon from culture club hello great year for music she's fucking a and surprisingly number 17 is time after time from cindy lopper down the list underrated hit well god i fucking love that song makes me cry every time
02:12:23
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All right. Well that will do it for episode 114. We've been at this for a very long time. 114 years we've been at this now. We only do one episode a year. Right, right, right, right.
02:12:38
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02:12:58
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02:13:23
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And Andrew, the other thing that everyone listening can do right now, as far as I'm concerned, is they can go and get slayed.