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EPISODE 117: FANDOM IS TERRIFYING
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EPISODE 117:: FANDOM IS TERRIFYING!
We’ve all been deep fans of this or that… but when fandom takes it too far?! It’s terrifying!
HORROR IN THE MOVIES
Two great films we’re obsessed fans of: PLAY MISTY FOR ME and PERFECT BLUE!
WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
Listen in to hear what we’ve been watchin’... bitch!
Are You FanDUMB?
Can Matty guess which celeb these groups workship? Listen in to find out!
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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Friday the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud, independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit Friday13.com.
A Scary Dilemma: Matty's Stalker Story
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Andrew, I... I think... I think I have to quit the show. Matty, what... what the actual fuck? Listen, I know it's not easy to hear, but Andrew, I'm honestly scared. I think... I think I've got a stalker.
00:00:26
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My god, I wish you would have told me what's going on Andrew. It's a it's a crazed fan I'm pretty sure they started sending me nice messages But now it's gotten bad really bad Are they threatening you worse? Are they making you give them money or something like that far worse? Matty, I don't want you to quit the show. Just tell me what's going on so I can help they um they
00:00:56
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Just spit it out. They say that if I don't say that Toni Collette was awful and hereditary, they'll hurt me. And you know I can't say that. Toni Collette deserved best actress for her role in Hereditary, Andrew. Oh my god, how horrifying. It's episode 117. Fandom is terrifying. I am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the classroom.
00:01:26
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I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China. Take your time, we honor thee, from life to death's horizon! Hooray for real life. Doubters, the doomsday, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Hooray for real life. Where are you going to go? Where are you going to run? Where are you going to hide? Nowhere.
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I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning.
Welcome New Listeners and Community Engagement
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Welcome back to another episode of fry get a 13th horror podcast. My name is Maddie.
00:02:51
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And my name is Andrew. He is. That is Andrew. Hi, Andrew. How's it going? I'm great. How are you? Not too bad. Thank you, Andrew. Andrew, this is the podcast. I'm telling you this because I don't think that you know it, Andrew. I constantly forget.
00:03:06
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This is the podcast all about horror, horror in a real life and in the movies from an LGBT perspective. And folks, if you're just joining us for the very first time, first of all, welcome. And second, go listen to 116 other episodes before this. This is episode 117. And we're talking about fandom. Lots of good things to talk about here because fans are crazy. The crack of whack when it comes to fans.
00:03:36
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Thankfully, we don't have any stalkers yet. But if you're thinking about stalking us, can I just say please don't? I don't have the time to deal with that. If you want to give us money, we'll take that. I don't know, Andrew. Sometimes you pay a tough price for that kind of shit. It's crazy.
00:03:56
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Speaking of, we have a Patreon, it's patreon.com slash Friday 13. That's the kind of stalking that we're looking for, folks. Listen, today's episode is going to be a lot of fun. We have two movies that I think Andrew are really different for us. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Play Misty for me, directed by Clint Eastwood from the 70s and Perfect Blue from 1997. It's our first animation and most certainly our first anime.
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So really interesting stuff that we're going to talk about today, including some really good horror in real life stories.
Real-world Horror Stories: St. Patrick's Day Special
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But before we go there, we'll start the episode as we always do with a certified Terrifying Corner, a trio of stories about what's happening in the real world right now as we speak. We are recording this on Sunday, March 17th. It is St. Patrick's Day.
00:04:44
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Hello, Andrew. Yeah. And I will tell you, coming from Dublin, Ireland, it is a sunny, beautiful day here. Truly, it's a gorgeous day outside, so I hope it is wherever you are too. So, Andrew, here's our certified terrifying corner for this episode. First off, give it to me. It must have been two or three episodes ago. One of the items that we had was about the mother of the team shooter in Michigan.
00:05:09
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who went to his high school and used a gun that his parents gave him. Even though his parents knew he had severe mental illness issues, they bought him a six-sour nine millimeter. He went to his school, his high school, and he shot and killed four of his fellow classmates. Terrible story. I forget the name of the city of Michigan right now. Do you remember by chance?
00:05:32
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It was somewhere around Detroit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I think the parents were from Pontiac, if I'm not mistaken, I think. Sounds about right. Those Pontiac people. No, I'm just joking. Remember Pontiac the car? I remember that. Anyways, the mother of the shooter was found guilty of manslaughter and is now in jail. Now the father is also found guilty of manslaughter. He was convicted just this week.
00:05:59
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So it's the same conviction. I don't know how long he's getting but look, we said it before with the mother and I think it's the same now with the father. It's a good thing. You know, it's not a good thing, but this is the right and just thing. I think it's such a clear case of parents enabling their child to do something horrific, horrific. And look, you get what you pay for, you know? Yeah, I mean, this is...
00:06:26
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I'm sorry, but, like, parenthood is not all tradwifes and, like, bacon shit. Like, there's actually, like, real circumstances that you have to think about when you have kids. And so, you know what? These people suck, and they're getting what they deserve. So, sorry. You know, one of our old friend, one of our old podcast friends, Brock,
00:06:49
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Um, from, uh, what was the show called? Um, what was it called? Slumber party, something. Slumber Party Massacre. Slumber Party. I can't remember. Anyways, it was this brilliant podcast from years ago. Anyways. Um, we were on it. We were on it. Brock was wonderful. And on threads this week, he posted, um, something along the lines of, I think that some people have kids just so they can bitch about it. And I think that's so fucking true in this new era of social media all over the place. It's absolutely wild.
The TikTok Ban Debate: Political Implications
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Speaking of social media, the U.S. House of Representatives this week passed a bill effectively banning TikTok. Now, what this is going to do is it would have to go to the Senate, of course, and then it would have to be signed by Joe Biden. But I think I think that he might actually sign it if it does.
00:07:36
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I mean, he said he said that he would. Yeah, which is this is this is wild shit, man. Basically what the bill does is it says if if TikTok in America does not sell their American business to an American business that will handle it and thereby therefore play by American rules, that TikTok will be banned in America. So it's a huge deal in the social media world because obviously TikTok is absolutely going gaga bananas with everybody.
00:08:06
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It is also very interestingly, for better or for worse, the place where most young people get their news now. So it's wild. I will say personally, I cannot stand TikTok when people send me TikToks. I hate it because I don't have the app on my phone.
00:08:24
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I know that there's really no good social media app to have on your phone because they all collect information, but TikTok is the fucking worst. I've got news for people. Everyone is like, what about free speech? This is just people doing this for no reason. Come on, dude.
00:08:38
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For real, TikTok is pretty fucking bad. They collect a bevy of data from you in really odd ways, and it's not good. So I'm sort of half and half on it. I don't think that banning anything is necessarily a great idea, but I do think that there's a problem here, and I don't know. I don't know how you solve it. It's a crazy one.
00:08:59
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Well, what I will say about this, I have two kind of thoughts about this. This effectively happened with Grindr way back in the day. Did it? Grindr was a Chinese company and they were forced to sell to an American company, otherwise it would have been banned in the US. Andrew, I did not know that.
00:09:15
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Yeah, so that that's one. Wow. OK, so I mean, we can see how it could be solved. I mean, obviously, grandeur still around. So there there is a solution there. But the other thing is that what I'm very nervous about and what I alluded to when I said that Biden would sign would sign it is that I feel like this is going to become the new smoking gun of like the of like the younger generation of not wanting to vote for Biden because they took away their precious tick tock. And if you remember correctly,
00:09:45
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years ago, Trump said that he would ban TikTok. Well, guess what he's saying now? I wouldn't do that. I never would do that. And so I'm nervous that this is going to become like a political thing. And yeah, so hopefully we can get it resolved quickly either way.
00:10:03
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I don't have TikTok, I don't really care about it. But I know that a lot of people do make money off of it, and it's part of their livelihood. So it's gonna be something, you know what I mean? So I don't know, we'll see what happens. It's absolutely wild. I do think though that like, because I listened to the CEO, he did like a little like video on TikTok, of course, for American users.
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And he was like, all these jobs and small businesses and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, dude, come on. Like something else wouldn't come and take its place. Do you know what I mean? I already had it before. What was the app before this called where you had to do it in like seven seconds or whatever? Oh, Vine. Vine. Oh my God. Vine was hilarious. It was so weird. But I mean, I do think it's sort of disingenuous for people to say like, well, what about this? I'm like,
00:10:55
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Listen, that vacuum will be, there's so much money there, that vacuum will be filled in a fucking heartbeat, please. Somebody will come up with something else. And you can really guarantee that something like Microsoft, they probably already have something developed right now and they're waiting for the moment to finally drop it. Because why would they put it out now? It's impossible to compete against TikTok. If TikTok is gone, bam, they will put something out there, you can really guarantee.
00:11:22
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Anyways, on to the next one and the final one, which is this.
Royal Family Controversies and Public Expectations
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I am obsessed with the story right now. Princess Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge, married to Prince William, of course, the Prince of Wales. And of course, she's the Princess of Wales. I should say that too. Released a photo for Mother's Day. Mother's Day in the UK and in Europe is in March. It's not at the same time as America. So for Mother's Day, she released this photo that turned out to be doctored with Photoshop.
00:11:51
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And it's a picture of her and her kids. Like, cool. I mean, she's a mother. That's awesome. Put out a photo with you and your kids. But on closer inspection, this photo was full of all these weird inconsistencies. And the AP, the Associated Press,
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Like, they never do this. They put out a kill order on that photo because they don't allow doctored photos to be released. And so it turned into this huge controversy. And it's a controversy because Kate had been having some medical issues. We don't know a lot about it, but there's some speculation that she had gone in for surgery.
00:12:29
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And she has not been seen or really heard from since. And there's a whole bunch of health issues plaguing the royal family right now. Like for example, Prince Charles has cancer and they weren't saying what kind of cancer it was for a while, this and that, the other thing. So there's just a whole lot going on.
00:12:46
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And there's a lot of conspiracy theory that like, Kate, like something terrible has actually happened to Kate. And that's why she's not being seen. And they're making up all these stories as they go. But it is just fucking bizarre. It's so bizarre.
00:13:01
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Yeah, I actually heard that maybe it would have that the photo was maybe AI generated even really? Yeah, that it wasn't just Photoshop that it was like AI generated. I don't know how much even weirder. I don't know how much credence goes with that. So take it with a grain of salt. But like, wow.
00:13:19
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There's been a lot of coverage of this over here as well, just because of the pure weirdness of it. It's not like they're known to do this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? So that's why everyone's kind of like, what is going on? And I mean, we'll see what happens.
00:13:40
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I don't, I don't understand this like, and we'll talk about it more when we get into celebrities too, but like this push and pull of like, I want all of my stuff in the press and all of my stuff in the internet and talk about me all the time. And then all of a sudden, Oh, I'm a little dainty princess. Nobody can talk about me.
00:13:59
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You know what I mean? It's a weird push and pull. I do know what you mean. And as we say here in Ireland, the Brits are at it again. It's very weird. I had lunch yesterday because I sort of went out for St. Patrick's Day yesterday in town.
00:14:14
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And I had lunch with a few friends, and two of them were over from Scotland. They live in Glasgow. And we were watching, they were going to the Ireland-Scotland match for the rugby. Anyways, we were talking about this, and they are two taxpayers who, I mean, think about this, Andrew. Their money literally pays for these people called the Royal Family to live in luxury, to live in tassels,
00:14:41
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to be weighted on hand and foot, to have their every need taken care of, to have whatever they could possibly want, wealth beyond all imagining. And on top of that, they get to make more money on top of everything that they already do from their own private ventures. The least that these people could do is keep the public informed about their health. That's what I think about it, about exactly what's going on.
00:15:06
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And we'll end it there. Anyways, folks, that was a certified, terrifying
Exploring Toxic Fandoms
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corner. Let's get on with the show. Andrew, we've got some fun things. I have fun things. These are not fun things. These are awful things that we're going to talk about right now. But I'll tell you what, Andrew, thinking about fandom, I started to think of just kind of like personally when when I've sort of veered into weird things being a fan. Right. Yeah. And
00:15:33
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You know me well. I think you would agree that when I'm a fan of something, I'm a fucking fan of something. Yeah, you go in 100. For sure. I go in for it. And usually it's A-OK, you know, and it's whatever. But there was one part of my fandom that definitely started to get a little toxic for me. And I obviously never did anything. I wasn't like stalking people or whatever, but like,
00:15:57
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I love college sports. I love college football and I love college basketball. Went to Indiana University, which is obviously a huge school for college basketball. It's a legendary school. And Andrew's husband, Michael, also our producer, we both went there and we both love college basketball. We love the fucking Hoosiers, dude.
00:16:20
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And back in the day, we used to watch every game. We would go to Joe's on Weed Street to watch the games and just have fun and shout out. And like, you know, like fucking like it made you feel like you were back in college. It's a wonderful, nostalgic thing to do. Anyways, I started to realize some years into my fandom that the way that I was a fan of the Hoosiers was really toxic for me.
00:16:44
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And I'm still a huge fan, but like, I mean, we would, we would watch. And if, if, if the Hoosiers lost a game, which they do because they're fucking kids playing basketball, they're not adults, they're kids, right? Um, if they, and there's cycles of kids. Exactly. Right.
00:17:01
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But if they lost a game, I mean, I was deeply disturbed, like pissed off about it, angry, upset, completely ruined my day. I would be an asshole to other people. I would drink like a fish. It was really not good stuff. And I don't remember exactly what year I realized that, but once I did finally come to that realization, I was like, man, dude,
00:17:27
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This is you're not having fun with this anymore and maybe yeah, maybe you should really think about it. And ever since I had that realization, I'm really grateful that I did. I know it sounds very simple, but like it was something really important because, you know, look, that's not a way to live, you know, and now I can still just be a fan of the Hoosiers and I don't get to watch them very often because you can't really do it over here.
00:17:48
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But now I can just go watch a game and just kind of be okay with it. And not freak the fuck out. So I'm really happy that I had that realization. Anyways, how about you? Do you have anything like that? Any sort of fandom in you? So I've been a fan of things in the past. Obviously, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was a huge fan of when it was on TV, still watch it to this day. But I don't really have that same button that you have.
00:18:18
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Yeah, it's not it's not really in your personality. I don't it's just it's just not like I don't really my obsession manifests in a much different way. I don't get like I don't get obsessed with things, but I do get obsessed with like. Dicks.
00:18:34
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I do get obsessed with the way things should be in a house. You know what I mean? I want the remote to always be in the same place. That's how my obsession manifests. Watch out, Martin Stewart. He's coming after you. It doesn't really come out in obsessing over people or things. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Because when I look at some of the things that people have done for fandom,
00:19:01
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It is insane to me. And I'm not going to come for anybody's fandoms because like what you like, that's going to be a human.
Extreme Fan Behavior: Taylor Swift and Beyond
00:19:12
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Honestly, Andrew, don't come for them and I won't either because they will probably kill us. I know. That's a good idea. But some of the amounts of money, and I'm just going to talk about concerts in general. Sure. But sometimes the amount of money that people will put down for some of these big concerts,
00:19:29
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I can't even fathom. I will say it out loud right now. The Taylor Swift shit is insane. And I say that I like Taylor Swift. I'm not obsessed with Taylor Swift by any means. I like some of her music. Yeah. Of course. The folklore album I thought was really, really good. Produced by the National. Produced by the National, my favorite band.
00:19:48
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We're both obsessed with Delicate. Delicate is a beautiful song. I mean, I think she's got some great music and I genuinely like her. But like I was watching like my sisters and like my brother got tickets for his girls. I mean like I mean dropping fucking cash for this shit. I mean fucking cash baby. And like listening to some of my friends on Facebook or on Twitter talk about how much they were spending for like either themselves or for their daughters.
00:20:14
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Man, whoa, I'll put a put a down payment on a car for God's sake. Oh, my God. There was actually there was a really great story because when the tickets went on sale here, it went like everywhere else. It went fucking crazy. You had to sign up for a presale and no one knew what was going on. All of it. There was a great story. I think it was in the Irish Independent. I'm fairly sure about a mom who was talking about
00:20:36
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how she was about to buy the tickets. And the tickets were like, it would have been like, like 1500 euro for her and her daughter. And her daughter who was like a teenager saw it. And she said, mom, don't do it. Like, that's so much money. Please don't do this. I don't need to go don't spend that. And I read it and I was like,
00:20:55
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you're a good girl we love you a good girl but i mean i looked it up yesterday and they did there was this article about this guy who went to the taylor swift concert in arizona and he got people open up about how much they like where they were sitting and how much they spent to like go to the concert.
00:21:15
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And the one guy who was sitting like in like the pit, so like right at like front level, you know what I mean? Um, he spent $4,000. Oh my God. Oh my God. And that was one of five times that he saw her. I mean, how, okay.
00:21:36
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Here's the thing, right? I love concerts, and I have dropped dough on concerts before, but the most I've ever spent on a concert ticket is seriously like, I think, $250, I think. Yeah, mine's $150. I saw J-Lo, and I spent $150. Yeah, sure. And the thing that I always say when it comes to what would you pay the most for is the band by far that I have the biggest regret not seeing is REM.
00:22:03
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And if REM were to do a reunion tour, I would absolutely drop up to a thousand euro for sure. Not a problem. I would do it because that would be a once in a lifetime chance. Right. I mean, REM is going to reunion tour. They won't do it again. That's it. They're all old now. So like I would do that. But Taylor Swift is going to be around for a long time, dudes, like four thousand bucks on one ticket. Holy shit. It's insane.
00:22:30
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Yeah, it's just I I've even heard of people taking out loans to get these tickets. So it's crazy. That's that's not healthy. Like that's that's not good. And I want to talk. I was going to say, I think that you have a list of other crazy shit that people do. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I wanted to go into next is just like some of the crazy, crazy things that people have either sent to celebrities or done to for their fandom, if you will. OK. The first one is Jared Leto, which
00:23:00
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Jared Leto. He's such a fucking weirdo. Listen to this story. So in 2013, Leto said that a fan sent him a severed ear. Oh, man. Okay, there you go. Jesus. And No just said, are you listening? And he never knew who it was or who's missing ear it was, but he poked a hole in it and wore it as a necklace. Uh, that...
00:23:25
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That that sounds like Jared Leto. Yeah. Are you listening? Jesse J. Basically, when she broke her foot while rehearsing for a performance, she received messages that a teenage fan decided to do the same. Oh, what? Why? Why would you do that? She basically sent her photos of her in her leg with messages saying, I will do anything to be just like you.
00:23:49
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Oh my God. Oh my Jesus, Lord. Ricky Martin, one of my faves. Hey, Ricky. We're still waiting for that proposal. Hey, Ricky. You're so fine. You're so fine. You blow my mind. Hey, Ricky. He heard an odd noise while walking around in his hotel room. He just happened to be nude at the time. Oh no. He just happened to be nude.
00:24:10
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Well, Andrew, did you? Is this actually just your dream? I think I wrote this. Yeah, I got it. It turned out to be a woman hiding in the vents of his hotel room. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Leave it to like this. Ricky Martin has always been like this weird like Zen guy. It's kind of the only thing that gives me the ache about him sometimes. But not only did he not call the police, but he chose to take pictures with her instead.
00:24:36
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Oh, come on. No, he did not. That's what it says.
00:24:41
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Um, I have two about Justin Bieber because obviously the believers are crazy. Okay. Justin Bieber is kind of cute. I got, I got some news. Uh, I think that like five years ago I thought that, and then he just like went too far, like with like tattoos and stuff. I don't know. I'd still do it though. Um, someone once paid $624 for a water bottle that he drank out of. Oh, wow.
00:25:10
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And then another obsessed fan who unfortunately has passed away. So we don't want to talk too bad about the dead, but, um, Toby Sheldon was so obsessed with Justin Bieber that he underwent numerous plastic surgeries to look like a pop star. Did he die? Really? Yeah. He died in 2015. Um, according to reports, Sheldon spent over a hundred thousand dollars on surgeries, including hair transplants, chin reduction, eyebrow lifts, just hoping to achieve Bieber's youthful and iconic look.
00:25:39
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This reminds me of a show. Now I'm a believer. Do you remember the show, The Swan that used to be on Fox? Yeah, I never watched it, but I do. I remember it. Yes. What a wild time in our early 2000s where we were obsessed with plastic surgery and just like. That's pretty weird.
00:25:59
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and Biggest Loser and like everyone needs to look a certain way. And God, I remember Lorenzo Lamas had a show called Are You Hot? And they would point out your your flaws with a laser pointer on national TV was so strong. And then finally, Harry Styles. This is one of the craziest ones I've ever fucking heard of. A bag of Harry Styles breath was reportedly sold for $80,000 on an online auction. What?
00:26:29
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So a down payment on a house for what people say is Harry Styles' breath. I don't understand that. That's just some of the crazy things out there. This is a list from Business Insider if you want to look at more of them. There were a lot. I had to cull it down a little bit just because they're
00:26:49
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for so many stories. Business Insider is so fucking weird. It like literally anything from Business Insider has nothing to do with business. I know. Ever. So those are kind of you know kind of fun and they are kind of fun a little bit. Let's talk about a really dark one.
00:27:06
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Okay. So let's talk about one of the biggest ultra fans of all time, Mark David Chapman. If that sounds familiar, he was one of the ultimate Beatles fans and he's also the person who just happened to kill John Lennon.
00:27:24
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And there's a good story from radiotimes.com. This is the one that I thought would be good to bring to the table. But way back in 1980, John Lennon, who was of course in the Beatles, was killed outside of the Dakota where he lived in New York City.
00:27:40
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And the killer was Mark David Chapman, an American Beatles fan. He was 25 years old, former security guard from Honolulu, Hawaii, had no prior convictions. He was just a huge fucking fan. And Chapman claimed that he had been angered by John Lennon's infamous remark in 1966 that the Beatles were, quote unquote, more popular than Jesus. And by the lyrics of Lennon's song, God,
00:28:07
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in which he states that he does not believe in the Beatles, God, or Jesus. And Lennon's song, Imagine, where he says, imagine no possessions, despite living a very lavish lifestyle. So according to Chapman, this made him a phony. And Chapman was believed to have planned the killing over several months and waited for John Lennon at the Dakota. And early in the evening of the 8th of December, Chapman met Lennon, who signed his copy of the album, Double Fantasy.
00:28:35
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Later that evening, Lennon and his wife, Yoko Ono, returned home. Chapman fired five bullets from a revolver, four of which hit Lennon in the back. The musician was immediately rushed to the hospital and pronounced dead on arrival. And John Lennon, I didn't know this, he was only 40 years old when he died. Isn't that wild? Chapman pleaded guilty to murdering John Lennon and was given a sentence of 20 years to life imprisonment.
00:29:01
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He's still in jail right now. He's at the Greenhaven Correctional Facility in New York. Wow, he's still alive. That's crazy. He is, yeah. And apparently he's been denied parole 12 times since he became eligible in 2000. During his parole hearing, I think this was his last one in August 2022,
00:29:19
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Chapman said, I am not going to blame anything else or anybody else for bringing me here. I knew what I was doing and I knew it was evil. I knew it was wrong, but I wanted the fame so much that I was willing to give everything and take a human life. He's 16 years old now.
00:29:34
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Well, no, I guess he's 70 now. Chapman also said, I hurt a lot of people all over the place. And if somebody wants to hate me, that's okay. I get it. Back in 2020, Chapman sold the board. I assassinated him because he was very, very, very famous. And that's the only reason. And I was very, very, very, very
00:29:54
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much seeking self glory. Jeez, isn't that crazy? And to think like, like, like, like literally crazy, like this person listened to his song lyrics, and like thought that that like, that the person singing them has to like live up to them. Like it's a fucking story you whack job, like, let him be. Oh, it's wild.
00:30:16
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And it sounds like in his time in prison, he's maybe changed his tune a little bit and really come out. Pardon the pun and changed his tune. Get it? Really? What he wanted was fame.
Infamous Stalking Cases: Jodie Foster and John Lennon
00:30:27
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And so, yeah, you know, all right, I have one too. And it's none other than our newest true detective, Jodie Foster. I think a lot of people know really quick. Andrew, did you catch in perfect blue? The movie we'll talk about later, the Jodie Foster remark.
00:30:46
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No, there's one in there. I'll tell you about it later. Keep going. So most people maybe know about this, but it did happen in the late 70s. So maybe a lot of people don't. This is from The Independent. It's upon starring in the movie Taxi Driver in 1975 at the age of 12, Jodie Foster not only gained Hollywood notoriety, but also gained an unwanted obsessed fan.
00:31:14
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Foster played a teenage sex worker called Iris in Martin Scorsese's unflinching exploration of urban decay, Taxi Driver. Iris catches the attention of Robert De Niro's alienated Vietnam vet, Travis Bickle, who, after failing to assassinate a presidential candidate, shoots Iris' pimp and is hailed as a hero. So that's kind of the Taxi Driver part of it.
00:31:37
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At the same time in Hollywood, a young man called John Hinckley Jr. would watch Taxi Driver for the first time. Estranged from his family, hooked on Valium, and recently expelled from a neo-Nazi group for being too extremist. Oh boy. That reminds me of when my sister got kicked out of a cult for being too annoying. True story. True story.
00:32:01
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Uh, he would, he would see a reflection of himself in taxi drivers, disturbed, discontented protagonist. Um, in the, in the character of Iris and why, and by a warped extension, Jodie Foster, he would see his salvation. He began to dress like Travis Bickle wearing army clothes and boots and keeping a diary just like Travis did. He became obsessed with Foster.
00:32:25
Speaker
Meanwhile, Jodi not knowing any of this was at Yale. She didn't even know that John Hinckley existed until she started until he started hand delivering letters to her doorstep. She ignored them at first. He was far from the only person who sent her intense fan mail. He wrote more. He wrote more. He left dozens of poems, letters, messages, all professing his quote unquote love for her. Oh, my God. When they when they went unanswered, he started to call her
00:32:54
Speaker
And he would say, who is this? She asked on the phone for the first conversation, which he recorded. And he said, this is the person that's been leaving notes in your box for two days. Jesus. Eventually Foster handed Hinkley's letters over to the dean. Well, what do you think the college did?
00:33:14
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Nothing. Nothing? Nothing. Oh, man, that's awful. And then the more Foster ignored Hinkley, the more his obsession grew. In a recording on New Year's Eve in 1981, he said, Jodie is the only thing that matters now. Anything I might do in 1981 would solely for Jodie Foster's sake. Wow. I think I'd rather just see her not on Earth than being with other guys.
00:33:41
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Well, John Hinckley, she wasn't with guys for very much longer. In March of 1981, Hinckley wrote Foster one final letter and he outlined his plan for a historical deed that echoed the plot of the film in which he was so besoted. Interesting.
00:34:01
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He was going to try and kill the president. Wow. He never posted the letter. He left it in his hotel room. But then he walked to the Washington Hilton Hotel where President Reagan had just finished a speaking engagement and he lay in wait. When Reagan emerged, Kinkley opened fire. He fired six times in about two seconds.
00:34:23
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But he was not a very good shot. The first bullet hit a White House press secretary, James Brady, who would actually become permanently disabled and eventually die from his injuries 33 years later. Police officer Thomas Delanti was the next victim, followed by Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy, who threw himself in the line of fire.
00:34:45
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Hinkle was wrestled to the ground and arrested, but not before the sixth and final bullet ricocheted off the president's limousine and hit him in the arm. In all of the chaos, Reagan didn't even notice that he had been shot until he started coughing up blood.
00:35:01
Speaker
When he arrived at George Washington University Hospital, he was minutes from death. Obviously, President Reagan survived the ordeal. But at a trial, Hinckley yelled, I'll get you, Foster. And when she told the court she had no relationship with him, he was found not guilty.
00:35:22
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of 13 charges by reason of insanity, and he was detained in a psychiatric hospital, which he was released in 2016 under the condition that he could not contact Foster. I did not know he got released. Yeah, that's the craziest part of it all. That's very, very fucked up. That is very, very strange.
00:35:42
Speaker
But yeah, and thankfully, I think that Jodie Foster was very famous from a very young age, and that's an unfortunate side effect of fame, is that people think that they have unwavering connection to you and that they deserve to know who you are. And so if you're looking for fame, just maybe think about that side of it. And I know that Jodie Foster had become insanely personal for a very, very long time.
00:36:12
Speaker
And she's just now becoming a little bit more, you know, back in the limelight and like open about like things like, I don't even think she came out until a couple of years ago. And so it's like, it's it obviously was a huge thing for her and really made her recoil into herself. And so it's just really sad. But I mean, when you when you do anything public, you open yourself up to a very
00:36:35
Speaker
Wide window of things that that could happen. I mean, it's not all positive people I mean I Not to get dumb about it, but I mean like even with us like I mean and by no means are we famous? No, don't don't take it the wrong way But I mean look if I'm being real we have had fans fans I put that in in quotes send us some weird messages before truly I
00:36:57
Speaker
And we've had fans send us shit about what we said or this thing or that thing. And if I'm being honest, sometimes it's like, fuck you. We're doing this because it's fun and we like to do it. And thankfully, no one's ever threatened us or anything. Thank fucking God. But I mean, if that's even like a slight little taste of what it could be like, count me out. You know what I mean? I don't want any of that shit in my life. Hell no.
00:37:24
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That being said, you can leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Make it really positive. And did we mention we have a Patreon, by the way? Oh, it didn't? Andrew, I think that's a good place to end it for our horror in real life segment. Do you agree? Yeah, let's move on to the next segment. What is it, Andrew? It's what you've been watching, bitch.
00:37:47
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Let's all go to the lobby Let's all go to the lobby Let's all go to the lobby To get ourselves a treat
00:37:58
Speaker
All right, it's that time again. We're talking about what you've been watching, bitch. What you've been watching, you rabid fan fucking stalking bitch. And this is the part of the show where we talk about what we've been watching, what we've been reading, what we've been listening to, because it could be anything.
Dune 2 and Classic Film Discussions
00:38:16
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But most of the time, it's what you've been watching, bitch. So, Maddie, what you been watching, bitch?
00:38:20
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The first thing I've been watching is Dune 2, the second installment in what will likely be the Dune trilogy from Denis Villeneuve. And it's great. If you saw Dune 1, this is just the next part, of course. Just like Dune 1, it's a big, huge whopper of a movie.
00:38:41
Speaker
It's definitely not short, but it's not too long. I don't think so either. All the same people are in it again, of course. And it fucking rocks. Dune is such a good story. It's a good fucking story. It is fantasy at its best. It's fantasy at the same level as Lord of the Rings. It's fantasy that I think does better than Star Wars because it's a lot smarter in a lot of ways, I think. And it's an incredible world that Frank Herbert created.
00:39:11
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One of the things that I was really thinking about when I was watching the second one at the cinema was how well Denis Villeneuve did or is doing and has done with making the world of Dune accessible. And Dune is a complicated story. Very, very complicated.
00:39:32
Speaker
And there's these people, and these people, and this thing, and that thing, and this does this, and this does that, and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's so much to remember. And the good fantasy will, if fantasy is done right,
00:39:46
Speaker
you will watch it or you will read it and you won't feel like you're doing mental gymnastics to pick back up where you need to be. And I just think that I think he's done an amazing job with that here. So I won't squawk on too much longer about it. I think if you don't like Dune then don't go see it. But I mean like Dune Dune part two is wonderful. I'm really looking forward to the next one too. It's gonna be good.
00:40:10
Speaker
is so how many movies is there supposed to be? I think there's supposed to be three. So then so the next one will be should be Dune Messiah, which sort of like rounds it out based on a book series, correct? Yeah, you have very, very famous book series like fan, which I've never read. I've thought about reading it now and then. But I mean, it is
00:40:30
Speaker
In the same way that Lord of the Rings is long, the motherfucker is long. And I really do like long books. I'm really into that. But I don't know. I'm not sure that I'm ready to take on another one right now. So maybe I'll do it later, but not yet.
00:40:46
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Cool. Well, echoing back to one of our previous episodes, I went back and watched Gaslight. Oh, nice. Yeah. I recorded this off of Turner Classic Movies. So if you have that channel, I miss TCM so much. Love TCM.
00:41:03
Speaker
And it just happened to be on the weekend after we recorded that episode. That's Kismet. That is fucking weird. And like, honestly, I don't think you can. I don't know how you can access it by any other way because I had to literally record it. But I'm glad I did. This is a very interesting movie. It really does kind of give you like what we talked about.
00:41:27
Speaker
And if you don't know what the movie's about, it's about an heiress who marries a man and he slowly tries to drive her insane because he wants her money, essentially. And where the term gas light comes from is because this takes place in the 1930s where they didn't have indoor electricity at their home. Indoor electricity obviously existed, but they just didn't have it. They still had gas lights, essentially.
00:41:55
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And the way that she would know something was up is because he has a hidden area in the house that he goes to when he says he's going to go out. And when he turns on the lights in there, the gas light gets a little bit dimmer in the rest of the house. And so that's how she kind of starts to put things together. Interesting. Very interesting movie. I was shocked to see that a 1944 movie was an hour and 42 minutes long. Whoa.
00:42:25
Speaker
Um, and it had a young Angela Lansbury, which was really fun. She plays, she plays their maid and she's kind of like the snarky maid in it. And so like, if you're inkling to watch this movie, I definitely recommend it. It was a fun watch, but it was, it just shocked me that, you know, we've, we've watched a number of movies that take place before 1950. And a lot of the times those movies are like 80 minutes, 70 minutes, you know, just because of the capabilities of what was able to be done at the time.
00:42:54
Speaker
And so I was like, wow, this is interesting. Those, those, those reels had to be huge. I know. I know. Truly had to be gigantic. But yeah, that's gaslight. Cool. Very nice. Um, I'm late to the party on this next one, but I'll tell you what I loved it. It is the queen's gambit on Netflix. Did you watch the watch? No, I haven't watched it yet. Oh, it's so fucking good. Um, I, I don't know
00:43:19
Speaker
why I didn't watch it before, to be honest. It's just, you know, sometimes things fly by you. Do you ever get in this pattern of like where you only go on one app for a while and then you kind of forget about the other ones? Yeah, I think I probably used to do that a lot more when I sold in America. I don't do it quite as much anymore just because like I'm forced to bounce around the apps in a lot of ways. But I certainly used to for sure. And that might be honestly why I missed this one.
00:43:48
Speaker
But I just thought it was great. I mean, there's very little that Anya Taylor Joy could do that would be bad, I think. Apart from killing someone, yeah. True. I mean, she's such a good actress. She's incredible at what she does and whether it's
00:44:05
Speaker
Whether it's The Witch, or I can't think of anything else right now. The menu. The menu. I'm a little hungover from yesterday, so I can't remember everything right now. But like, I mean, she is just fantastic. I mean, The Witch alone showed you what a powerhouse she was. And The Queen's Gambit, she's excellent into. The Queen's Gambit is a series. It's about a young girl who, of course, grows into a woman.
00:44:29
Speaker
And she just turns out to be a chess whiz. She's an absolute genius at it. And early on in her life, she goes to a foster care facility, whatever that's called, an orphanage.
00:44:46
Speaker
And she's taught at the orphanage how to play chess by the janitor. And he sees in her something that's just absolutely amazing. And he's just like, holy shit, this girl is the best. She's incredible. And this show is all about her life from there. If you haven't seen it, I think it's well worth it. I breezed through it in one day, all the episodes.
00:45:11
Speaker
And Andrew, I think you would like it a lot. I think Michael would too if he hasn't watched it yet. So I highly recommend it to you guys and to everybody if you have not yet watched it, the Queens and Gambit. Cool. My next one is actually something that you should definitely watch if you haven't watched already. And that is Ghostwatch, which is now on Shutter and or AMC Plus, however you have not heard of it yet.
00:45:34
Speaker
Well, this movie that is from the 90s. It's from early 90s. Okay. And this so this is the story of this. The show is about a it's it's basically it was played on Halloween night in the in the UK on ABC. And it was played like straight like they were going to do a like an investigation of a haunted house.
00:45:57
Speaker
Now, what people thought, they thought this was all real at the time because they were playing it. They were playing it during like prime time on the. Oh, my God. And they even have like little snippets where they cut back to the news and they even have people calling in and stuff like that. And so they kind of just go to this house where it's very reminiscent of the haunting that's in. Number two of the conjuring, like remember that it's very much like that.
00:46:27
Speaker
and they kind of go in and investigate and things happen. And I don't want to give too much away, but like the crazy thing about this is that people thought it was real. Wow. Oh my God. So you should definitely watch it. It will definitely take you back to an old, you know, UK that you maybe never had access to the court.
00:46:46
Speaker
But living there now, I'm sure you can kind of see the, you know, that kind of like hearkens back to. Sure. But it was an overall like not just because it's like a phenomenon, but like overall, it's still just a really good movie. Yeah, sure. It reminded me a lot of remember when we watched the WNUF Halloween special? Love that. It's so good.
00:47:08
Speaker
It's it's a lot like that. It's like minus like the commercials. You know, I am. I'm watching that tonight. Done. I'm in and it's and it's honestly kind of spooky. So that's funny. This has not been accessible for a while now. So the fact that now that it's on shutter, I highly recommend that anyone that has shutter AMC plus go watch Ghostwatch. Very cool. My next one is Damsel on Netflix. Have you watched this yet?
00:47:35
Speaker
I don't even know what this is. Damsel is the new movie on Netflix starring Millie Bobby Brown, number 11 from what do you call it? Stranger Things. You know folks, I was telling Andrew before we started the show today, it's St. Patrick's Day of course, I went out yesterday and I have not, I've really, really cut down on my drinking like a lot, a lot, a lot. I barely even drink anymore.
00:48:01
Speaker
And yesterday I was like, even to the demons, it's St. Patrick's weekend. It's fun. We were watching the rugby and it was just, it was a good time. So I was like, you know what? Have some beers. I'm not going to think about it. Let's just go.
00:48:15
Speaker
Maybe I'll think about it more because the mindfulness has been a really good thing for me. Anyways, that's why I'm a little bit brain foggy today. Anyways, Damsel is a new movie Netflix starring Millie Bobby Brown. Nick Robinson is also in it from like Love, Simon. And I haven't seen him in a hot minute. I love it. Nick Robinson is just so cute. Like you just want to pinch his cheeks. Do you know what I mean? I'm not even sure that I want to have sex with which cheeks, which cheeks, Maddie.
00:48:42
Speaker
I don't know he's kind of cute in a way that like I almost don't want to have sex with him like I just want to like love him kind of a little bit you know the hug I'm getting older look at me I'm turning into a grandfather now and also Angela Bassett is in this movie like crazy so damsel takes place in like it's like it's like another universe where like
00:49:04
Speaker
the royalty kind of works the same that it might on earth, right? So there's these different kingdoms going on and there's this one kingdom kind of off in the north and it's cold and it's barren and they're running out of food and their kingdom is failing basically. And so the king of that kingdom, who was played actually by the guy who plays French in the departed, I can't remember his name right now,
00:49:28
Speaker
I'm obsessed with the departed, so that's how I know him. Anyways, he's really, really good. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The king of that kingdom finds a suitor for his daughter that will save his kingdom, basically, because if she goes and marries this dude in this beautiful far-off kingdom, then they'll have the money that they need to save their own, right? So Millie Bobby Brown is that daughter, go figure. Nick Robinson is that prince.
00:49:54
Speaker
So when she gets to this new kingdom, it's beautiful, it's gorgeous, it's like the best kingdom in the world. It's beautiful and lush and they have tons of money and the castle's beautiful and the prince is handsome and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there's a dark side to everything and I will stop there.
00:50:11
Speaker
So listen, I had a lot of fun watching this. Um, it's by no means like groundbreaking or anything, but you know, Millie Bobby Brown, I think has, has a steep climb ahead of her in her career. She's she played 11 for so long. It's hard for anyone to see her as anything else.
00:50:27
Speaker
And so I really admire her for taking literally any role right now because the stakes are huge for her career if you really think about it, right? So I had a lot of fun. It was wonderful. Like I said, I won't tell you any more because I don't want to give shit away. It's not, it's really, it's maybe an hour and a half. It wasn't long at all. Highly recommend. I thought it was really good. I enjoyed it.
00:50:48
Speaker
I'll definitely check that out. Sounds interesting. My next one is a documentary on Hulu called Monster Inside.
Analyzing Documentaries and Musicals
00:50:56
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Have you heard of this at all? No. What is it? So this is a weird one. It's about this guy who created he started off creating like haunts like at his like in his neighborhood. I'm into it already. But what happened is that he kind of evolution evolutionized that to being like
00:51:19
Speaker
For lack of a better term like torture like he would tell people like you know if you come to my thing I'm going to torture you and Until and he offered he offered money if you survive or if you didn't like back out essentially like if you didn't quit Jesus and like it's all these people that like signed up and they got like waterboarded and they got like a
00:51:48
Speaker
Tortured and there's this one woman who hair wing Lee she blacked out and she doesn't know what happened to her No, no and it's it's this crazy push and pull of these people that want like in a lot of them are like ex-military and like they want like that excitement again and they want like that extreme like life like they can't get like that that feeling anymore and so they turn to this guy to like do it but
00:52:17
Speaker
This guy is, he's using some tactics that are not okay. And, um, it's weird because they have to sign a waiver and so they can't sue him. And so there's like this whole, like, what do we do now? And like, nobody knows what to do. And that's what the whole documentary is about. Um, pretty interesting, but like, honestly, it comes with a trigger warning because there is a lot of really crazy stuff that he did to these people. So that's not good.
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's a weird one, but I don't I don't want to say I recommend it, but it is a very interesting story. So wild. OK, my final one, because we do we sometimes we talk about things that aren't just movies in this segment.
00:53:01
Speaker
It's called what you've been watching. It's not called what movies have you been watching, bitch, right? I went to two concerts recently. It was two weeks ago. I saw two concerts in one week. I saw The Smile at Three Arena in Dublin. And then I saw Pixies at the Olympia in Dublin. The Smile is the latest band musical project from Tom York and Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead.
00:53:27
Speaker
And I'm really, I love The Smile. They've got a couple albums out. They're really, really good. And it was a really great show. Three Arena is like the biggest arena in Dublin, biggest indoor arena. And it's an okay venue. It's not my favorite place to go see it, to go see a show. I'm actually, I'm seeing Dave Matthews Band there next month with Bridget. It was gonna be hilarious. But like,
00:53:55
Speaker
It's an okay place, basically. It was a wonderful show. I will say the weird thing about concerts these days, right? And it's all because of social media and because of our phones. And it's not what you're thinking I'm going to say, which is everybody records things, everyone takes photos. I'm almost kind of over that now. What people do at concerts now, though, is they go and they hang out and they're going with their friends, right? And they just sit there and talk the whole time.
00:54:24
Speaker
Yeah, they don't actually watch the show the whole fucking time. So I mean, it's, you know, they're crowded, they're packed. I'm standing next to these people and it's like this, this guy and this girl and they're fucking just yammering fucking away while the show is going on.
00:54:40
Speaker
I'm stone quite frankly so I'm like maybe hyper aware of it but I'm like what the fuck why did you why did you buy a fucking ticket if you're gonna just gonna come here and fucking talk like you could go to the fucking pub go get dinner why are you doing this at a concert I think it's so fucking weird if you I'm gonna I'm gonna say it flat out to any of you listening
00:54:59
Speaker
If that's what you do at concerts, that's fucked up and you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't fucking do it because you're ruining the show for other people. That's all I got to say, Andrew. Now, the other show, this now this is interesting, right? Because, OK, that was the smile, big arena, whatever. Pixies, right. And if you don't know the Pixies, a legendary band, legendary rock slash kind of punk band. And and I fucking love Pixies. And they were doing a three night residency in Dublin. They're doing this kind of all over the world right now.
00:55:28
Speaker
and I got to see the Saturday show and it was fucking amazing. And that's the kind of show where people go and the fans of somebody like the Pixies, they don't do that. And at the Olympia, no one was doing that. So it was such a different experience. It was lovely. And my God, what a concert. Andrew, they played 35 songs.
00:55:52
Speaker
Oh my God. 35 songs they played. They played for like almost three hours. It was incredible. Like everyone just had such a great time. And like all the fans were really like, everyone was just so cool. Like people were like, we were all like talking to each other after the show and before the show and like hugging each other and like talking about the song and that song. It was just, it was a really lovely evening. I really enjoyed it. It was great. So two concerts. I encourage all of you
00:56:18
Speaker
go see some live music. It makes you happier. It makes you better. And it just like, I don't know. It's such a wonderful experience going to see a concert. It's just amazing every time. I love it. Even when people talk.
00:56:33
Speaker
Well, my last one does involve music. Okay, yes, girl, yes. I sat down and watched Mean Girls, the movie, The Musical. This just now hit Paramount Plus, so I decided to press play on it because obviously for people of our age, like in and around a decade around our age, everyone fucking knows Mean Girls. They play it on TBS every day, I think. Yeah.
00:57:02
Speaker
It's in the zeitgeist of like the world, you know what I mean? Like everyone knows fucking Regina George and you can't sit with us and all that stuff. And so Mean Girls, the movie, they did a really weird thing and it's happened to a couple movies now in America. And I'm not sure I'd love to get your thoughts on this from your end of the thing.
00:57:24
Speaker
They are starting to advertise these musicals as just straight movies. Like they're not alluding in the advertising that they're musicals. And so I think a lot of people went to go see Mean Girls thinking it was just a remake of the movie, not knowing that it was a musical because they can advertise it this way. They did the same thing with Wonka, that Willy Wonka movie with Timothy Chalamet.
00:57:47
Speaker
Yeah. Those are musicals and they don't advertise them that way. So I think they get a bad rap when they get in theaters and people are surprised when people start blurting out singing. That's really interesting. I don't know if they are doing that the same thing over there, but I think musicals are much more ingrained in the culture over there. I guess I haven't really noticed.
00:58:08
Speaker
I don't really notice, to be honest with you, but it's an interesting take, isn't it? I know that musicals have been sort of in the news a bit lately. Well, not lately, but in the past year, beyond people obviously doing big musicals, there was a problem in London, I don't know if you heard about this, where people were showing up for musicals and singing along in the audience. Have you heard about this?
00:58:33
Speaker
Yes. During live musicals. I would never do that. It's so weird. Audiences are changing in such big ways now. I think a lot of it is because of, we talked about TikTok earlier. We talked about people are glued to their phones. They're getting entertained in different ways now than we were when we were coming up.
00:58:59
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And so I think it's weird to think about how audiences will continue to evolve in theater, whether it's a cinema or whether it's at a live theater. I don't know, it's weird to think about.
00:59:13
Speaker
Yeah, well, I will say that Mean Girls, I know a lot of people gave it a bad rap when it was in the theater. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought the Rene rap who plays Regina George was a fucking powerhouse. Nice. I thought all the music was pretty fun. And like a lot of the same jokes hit like they used to in the movie. And they got. And what's funny is like.
00:59:36
Speaker
A lot of the things that they took out were jokes that don't work anymore in our same culture. You know what I mean? Like sure. There's like there's the joke where it didn't age well. Well, there's the joke where she first comes to the school and the teacher or the principal introduces Katie and she says, oh, she's from Africa. And then the teacher points to the only black student and says like, oh, welcome. And she goes, I'm from Michigan.
01:00:04
Speaker
Like and so like they took that joke out because it doesn't really work like we are in the culture now. You know what I mean? Like it's not it's so like it's kind of smart. It is funny though. It's a smart update. And so like I liked it a lot. I heard a lot of people that were not into it, but I thought it was pretty fun. I love that.
01:00:26
Speaker
Well folks, that does it for what you've been watching, bitch. Andrew brought us Gaslight, and he watched that on TCM, and I'm sure you can get that in many places. Ghost Watch on Shutter, The Monster Inside on Hulu, and Mean Girls, the movie musical on Paramount+.
01:00:41
Speaker
And Maddie brought us Dune 2, which is currently in the movie Theatres, The Queen's Gambit on Netflix, The Smile and the Pixies in concert, and Damsel on Netflix. So folks, we'll take a quick break here and we'll be right back with our first film of the episode. Play Misty for me. Play Misty for me. For Clint Eastwood, an invitation to terror.
01:01:12
Speaker
Do you ever find yourself being completely smothered by somebody? There's no escape in passion. There's no escape in speed. There's no escape from terror. You will change the election.
01:01:40
Speaker
Nobody asked you to wait for it. You're not jumping me, Buster Blue-Eyes! Get off my back, Evelyn. Play Misty for me. Get off my back. Play Misty for me. Get off my back. Play Misty for me. Get off my back. Play Misty for me. The most terrifying words you'll ever hear. Play Misty for me. The screen's most frightening plunge into terror. Have to get you all nice for David.
01:02:09
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I hope he likes what he sees when he walks in here. Because that's what he's taking to hell with him. Just hope her lucky enough to grab her the next time she tries it. Tries what? To kill you. The next scream you hear will be your own.
01:02:31
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Play it again, Sam. Play Misty for me. Andrew, tell us all about, play Misty for me. The scream you hear may be your own. A brief fling between a male dicks jockey and an obsessed female fan takes a frightening and perhaps even deadly turn when another woman enters the picture.
01:02:53
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Directed by Clint Eastwood in his directorial debut. Written by Joe Heems and Dean Reisner. Production and distribution were handed by Malpazzo Company in Universal. Dave is played by Clint Eastwood himself. Evelyn is played by the
01:03:12
Speaker
amazing Jessica Walter. Fucking crazy girl. Toby is played by Donna Mills. Sardic McCallum is played by John Larch. Frank is played by Jack King. Madge is played by Irene Hervey and Al is played by James McKeon. I see that you left JJ off the
01:03:29
Speaker
Oh, I did. I didn't mean to do that. I'm sorry. The one the one game we will talk about. Don't get me started about seafood. I got it. Can we just stop there for a second? OK, look, everybody, there is a gay character in this movie named JJ, not just Jay. Of course he had to have two names and of course they had to be the same name, JJ.
01:03:52
Speaker
And JJ is like Toby's like manager or something. Who is where he is? No, it's just her confidant that she's been staying with. And that's what it is. All right. So we'll go back, I promise. But we have to talk about JJ right away. This is Friday, the 13th. So so Clint Eastwood goes to like go get Toby because he's in love with her. Right. Or whatever.
01:04:17
Speaker
And like JJ comes in, he's whatever. And he is wincy, mincy, fucking scarf around the neck, sassy, whatever. And like what's funny is like how like it actually is like it's it's I think it's actually really well done because like clearly like these people are all friends, you know what I mean? And so like he's so JJ has given sass to Dave Clint Eastwood's character and Clint Eastwood says something like, why don't you go crew some sailors? And JJ goes,
01:04:47
Speaker
Don't get me started about seafood. Yeah, I fucking I lost it. I was. That's so funny. Like, God bless that man for doing what he did. Bless you. That's it. It caught me off guard because I was like, oh, 70s gay. No, not even gay. Coded. This is like gay on. Let's go.
01:05:09
Speaker
Anyway, Plate Misty for me is rated R. It's 102 minutes. It was made in the USA in a very familiar to most of us that watched Big Little Lies, Carmel Valley, California, and Monterey. Just beautiful. God, I would love to live there. Jesus. Released on November 12th of 1971, this budget was about $950,000 and it made $10.6 million, which for 1972 is a lot of money.
01:05:37
Speaker
Now, what's interesting there, too, is when Clint Eastwood wanted to be the director, because it was his directorial debut, right? The studio reduced, they gave him like less pay in order to do it, and he agreed to it. But he agreed to taking a share of the profits instead. So, well done on that gamble, Mr. Eastwood, because he made some bank on that way back when.
01:06:04
Speaker
So this was a first time watch for me. I didn't even know this movie existed. I kind of just found it by looking up, you know, crazy fan movies on Google. And but I'm really happy that I did because, well, this movie is a doozy. Maddie, have you seen this before? And what are your initial thoughts? Yeah, no, first time watch for both of these films on this episode. And yeah, you know, I feel like I had I mean, I know that I had heard of the movie before.
01:06:34
Speaker
But I definitely thought it was something far older and not, and not this and not, and not with Clint Eastwood and certainly not with Jessica Walter. Um, and of course, you know, you'll remember who Jessica Walter is a lot of people because she's on, what do you call it? Um, the rest of development development. Yeah. Um, which God, she's so fucking funny on that show. I miss that show.
01:06:55
Speaker
Anyways, yeah, this is a great movie. This is a movie about a crazed fan who becomes a stalker, right? In college, I directed a play called Boy Gets Girl. It's by a playwright named Rebecca Gilman, who's written a number of really great American plays. And she's won Tony awards for them. And Boy Gets Girl is about a stalker.
01:07:18
Speaker
a stalker named Tony. And when I directed that play, I had to kind of delve into the world of stalking and do a lot of research. And I remember when we had the performance, we even brought in a women's advocacy group to do a talk on stalking after one of our shows.
01:07:38
Speaker
And what I remember the most from it is how, like, basically, if you're getting stalked by somebody, there's nothing you can do. Like, there's nothing. There's no resources for you. The cops can't do anything. Like, you have to wait for them to commit a very serious crime until anything can really happen and you can be safe.
01:08:01
Speaker
And that I never forgot that in my research and in talking with the group that I had contacted for the aftershow talk. And it just kind of stuck with me, like, God, what would you do if that happened to you? Like, how terrible that would be? How absolutely fucking terrible that would be? Like, your life would be ruined.
01:08:21
Speaker
And I think that this movie does a really good job of showing you what that would look like in real life. And it's not really all that far-fetched either. I mean, you know, we don't really have disc jockeys anymore if you think about it. Radio's kind of dead. But in a way, we do like with podcasts, for example. And so it is kind of spooky being a podcaster if I'm being honest and thinking about like, I mean, look, people have crushes on me and Andrew. Number one, how could they not? Hello?
01:08:50
Speaker
Look at me, listen to my sexy ass voice. Yeah, you probably have a crush on me, bitch. Anyways, imagine though, Andrew, if somebody just started fucking showing up at your job, or showing up at your door, or in your house, or in your car, or my God, whatever else, and then attacking you. And what this woman does, what Evelyn does in the movie is
01:09:13
Speaker
is horrific. I mean, it's a very human thing to have a one night stand with somebody or to have an encounter with somebody that is sexual and to not want to see them again. Well, it's funny because he even tells her in their initial like before they kiss, which we'll talk about the kissing in this movie because it's very weird. It is.
01:09:35
Speaker
he says that he doesn't want to complicate his life anymore like basically telling her like hey if we do this i don't know if i want to see you again this is nineteen seventy one right now it's like we're all in grinder doesn't fucking matter we would never have that conversation but like then that that definitely meant something like you would say no strings attached and that's how it was free love all that kind of shit.
01:09:57
Speaker
And so the way that she coming out of the 60s completely and the way she barnstorms into his life. And I think, you know, probably the one of the most disturbing parts.
01:10:09
Speaker
The two most disturbing parts for me in the movie were when she attacked... What's the maid's name? We believe that's Madge, right? Madge, right. So when she attacks Madge in the house, that was... Very visceral. Very visceral. Just like fucking brutal. Brutal. And then when she shows up at the business lunch with... I forget what that woman's name was, but he's going to meet the woman about a new show and that's basically it.
01:10:38
Speaker
just fucking brutal. And when she shows up at the lunch, my God, the way she's yelling and screaming. And the way that she attacks that woman for the way she looks. Oh my God, she's old, whatever, blah, blah, blah. For me, what does it, and what really shows Jessica Walters' talent,
01:10:57
Speaker
is when he gets her in the taxi to get her out of there. And she's like gripping the air. Oh my god, her face right there. Jessica Walter lived that role. She had to have. She embodied it perfectly. There was no doubt in your mind that that woman, Evelyn, was insane. Fucking insane.
01:11:19
Speaker
And it's played so, so well. And I think what's interesting about the movie is it's very real in a lot of ways. The character of Dave, I think, is just like...
01:11:34
Speaker
I don't know. It seems so authentic to me, like just sort of like a normal guy who just like happens to be a disc jockey and like loves what he does and you know, his ladies, I mean, you know, sure. But I mean, like, I mean, like, think about like, you know, we all, we all have our, our tastes and our whatever. And you know, he's a dude at the prime of his life, makes great money, has a beautiful car, lives in a beautiful fucking part of California.
01:11:57
Speaker
Like the weirdest house I've ever seen. Totally weird house. But I mean, like, you know, he's just, he's out there to have a good time. You can't blame him in a lot of ways, you know? And, uh, and, and even given all of that, like, and even given what happens with Evelyn, like he still has a heart, like he still cares. And he's like, you know, he doesn't want her to be hurt. He doesn't want her to be like, like in danger, even, even when all the shit goes down, you know?
01:12:25
Speaker
And I thought that that was a really interesting thing to play in the movie. So yeah, I really enjoyed watching it. And I only wish I had bought it because I kind of want to watch it again, to be honest.
01:12:36
Speaker
Yeah, so for me, obviously, like I said, the first time watch, I don't like love Clint Eastwood's acting if I'm being totally honest. He's always the same. Well, and he always like, he always like, it's hard to, it's hard to describe, but he kind of always acts through a scowl.
01:12:56
Speaker
And I get that. I don't know. It gets kind of annoying after a while, but what saved the movie for me were the female leads because I thought Evelyn was masterfully handled by Jessica Walter. And I think that Donna Mills does a great job as Toby as just being like this very aloof, like artist type that doesn't really like
01:13:17
Speaker
She doesn't really like know what's going on most of the movie, but she kind of just like does her own thing. And I think that for a woman in the early 70s, that's pretty powerful of a stance to have is where she had like she had her own house. She had her own bills and like where she finds all these roommates. I'm not going to. I don't know that we didn't have the
Clint Eastwood Film Breakdown
01:13:37
Speaker
Internet back then. But this girl cycles through roommates more than more than Dave goes through girlfriends. But
01:13:44
Speaker
I just thought that they handled the movie so masterfully that anything else kind of like didn't matter to me that much. I think where the movie suffers for me is just the pacing is a little bit 70s. Like it's just...
01:14:00
Speaker
There's a lot of time spent of them just walking down the beach or walking in the forest or there's like there's a there is a three minute. Music video in the middle of this movie where they play the entire song while they're in the making love at the waterfall or whatever. They are making they're making love at the waterfall. You know what I mean? It's funny.
01:14:23
Speaker
When they were embracing in the water at the waterfall for a second, I didn't know who was who because they both kind of have like similar like Clint Eastwood's not really like a built guy. He's kind of a more like svelte guy. Yeah. And so it was just funny because they both kind of had like similar hair and stuff. That's funny.
01:14:43
Speaker
Overall, I still really liked the movie. I think there could have been a good 15 minutes trimmed off of this if it was a movie nowadays. Like you, I think some of the best scenes are when Evelyn is taking on her role. I laughed out loud those first couple of flips that she does.
01:15:07
Speaker
where they get interrupted and the guy, he says like, the neighbor says like, Hey, can you keep it down? Some people are trying to sleep. And I guess Evelyn's car is loud is why he's coming out and she just looks at him and she just goes, why don't you just go screw yourself? And it's like out of nowhere because she's never like that.
01:15:29
Speaker
And the way that Clint Eastwood reacts to that moment, it's almost like she had never said that line in front of him before because he looks at her like, what the? Well, you know, it's one of those like red flag moments in relationships where you're like, yeah, like if you think about any bad relationship you've had before, you look back at like the red flag moments that you missed or that or that or that you like kind of glossed over or like you could you just let go.
01:15:56
Speaker
That's one of them, for sure, right there. Are they explosive with anger? Another part that really made me itch was where he was trying to get to the studio and she takes his keys and is like teasing him with the keys. And I didn't know what was going to happen in that moment because I thought there was going to be like violence or something and real tension there. Yeah.
01:16:21
Speaker
And it just made me really itchy. I was like, oh, no, this is not going to be good. And then, you know, they're broken up by those two guys that are coming out of the restaurant. But that's another moment where she flips again. And because he's like the two guys are like, hey, everything OK down there? And Clint Eastwood, he basically says like, yeah, get lost, asshole. And then she just turns and she goes, yeah, get lost, asshole. Oh, my God.
01:16:44
Speaker
So there's just like a lot of moments like that where it was just I don't know how she did that because she's playing it so straight the rest of the time. I want to talk a little bit about the ending because this ending is wild, man. So basically what happens is that Toby gets a new roommate and it's very obvious to me that they only did the jazz festival because the jazz festival was actually happening in that town because
01:17:14
Speaker
nothing in that scene matters to the movie except for the one line which is so strange because they get to this jazz festival, they get through all the crowds, they get there, they're going to get their seats and then all of a sudden Toby's like, oh I gotta go pick up Annabelle.
01:17:29
Speaker
I got to go pick up my roommate, Madeline, who's her actual roommate at the time. Clint Eastwood's like, your roommate's right there. It's Madeline. She's like, no, I got a new roommate, Annabelle. And that's the only thing that happens at the jazz festival. Other than that, they just show the jazz festival, which
01:17:46
Speaker
Obviously, it was like actually going out at the time because no way that this budget allowed for them to set up a whole festival. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. And so I think that that was funny. But then, you know, it turns out that her new roommate Annabelle is Evelyn because Flighty Toby has never actually seen Evelyn. So she doesn't know what she looks like. And then because she's so aloof, she's like, whatever.
01:18:15
Speaker
And she ties her up and basically calls Clint Eastwood and, you know, play Misty for me and we'll be waiting for you. And then he goes there and they, you know, they have a series of fights where for the most part, Evelyn wins. Like she slices him up quite a bit.
01:18:32
Speaker
Evelyn is a strong ass bitch. Like she's not fucking around. Her slice game is on point because she never stabs. She only slices. Yeah, for real girl. She she done lived by Armato get slayed is what she does. Exactly. Yeah. And then just in this around me, so much of that movie fear that we watched with with Mark Wahlberg. I love that movie so much. I love that movie.
01:18:59
Speaker
where Clint Eastwood finally gets an open shot and he punches her square in the face and she goes tumbling out the window over the railing and down to the rocks below because they're on like a like a shoreline and you cut and like that scene where they actually like showed like obviously it's a dummy but like it looks real for 1971 like I gotta say and then when they show her floating in the water down below at the end I was like
01:19:27
Speaker
They really put her down there because that's like the actual actress in that one. And then, you know, obviously I thought it was hilarious that when she called him to come like to come save Toby, what he doesn't like rush out of the studio. Nope. As a consummate DJ professional, he has to put on a reel before he leaves. Of course he does. Of like a taped show. But at the end, when the radio is on,
01:19:55
Speaker
It's the dedication to Evelyn at the end when they're walking out, you know, hand in hand, him and Toby of, you know, we're gonna play this one for a special, like, lonely heart. This one goes out to Evelyn. And they walk out kind of hand in hand, Toby and Dave. And it's just, like, handled so well, that ending, that I was like, wow, that was pretty good. You know what I mean? Yeah, for real.
01:20:23
Speaker
Um, any other, so I will say that when I watched the movie, I definitely got, um, like inklings of like fatal attraction, like those kinds of movies. So like, if you like those kinds of movies, you probably like play Misty for me. What I looked, what I looked up is that technically, do you know what? Um, the re there's a remake of this movie. Do you want to know what it is? What is it?
01:20:48
Speaker
Swim fan. Oh, no way. Yeah, it's like a it's like a weird re like remake. That's like the idea that the filmmaker had for Swimfan is love for me and I love to jack off to swim fans. What's his name? OK, and Jesse something, Jesse, something, Jesse, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Jesse, Bob Bradford, Jesse. Yeah, I think you got I think you got it right. He's so fucking cute. Oh, so what is still cute?
01:21:16
Speaker
Is that a typical meal for the 70s to have corn, beef, and potato salad? Maybe. I don't know. Bitch was getting ready for St. Patrick's Day or some shit. I don't know what she was doing, but Jesus, my God. When they're at the business lunch too, and they're bringing out that salad at the... I know. Like seafood salad or whatever. That is a 70s ass salad. Like a whole ass fucking eggs on that shit. Oh my God. Why?
01:21:43
Speaker
I also did love the part where Evelyn has Toby, like in her, you know, she takes out the knife and it's finally revealed that Annabelle is Evelyn. And she just looks at Toby and she goes, God, you're so dumb. So good. And also, Andrew, did you know that this is why Blumhouse chose to name the doll Annabelle? Really? No, they didn't. Oh.
01:22:11
Speaker
Oh, and there was another part too that I had to like re I had to like be like, I did a double take. So there's a moment where Clint Eastwood is sleeping and he wakes up and Evelyn is over him and she stabs the pillow. Did you think that was a dream?
01:22:27
Speaker
Now that you say it. Cause when it first happened, no, it wasn't because he had an actual knife in his pillow. Like he shows the cops the knife. So maybe he just thought it was a dream perhaps. Yeah, because I thought that was a dream because he kind of like rolls out of bed and is like, Oh, and she's gone. And so I was like, Oh, but then we find out later that this is kind of Evelyn's, like her thing. Like she likes to slice and run away.
01:22:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. She's a slicer and a runner is what she is. Yeah. And, you know, tragically, she it's funny because they put in the movie that she tries to kill herself in the bathroom of Dave's house. But then like the she doesn't even go to the hospital. A doctor comes to their house and he's basically like, oh, the cuts are actually like pretty superficial, like nothing. And so you're like, oh, like she didn't like she was just for attention like.
01:23:22
Speaker
That's a crazy way to get some attention, but it's fine. Yeah. Well, Andrew, tell me, how would you rate play Misty for me?
01:23:30
Speaker
So here at Friday, the 13th horror podcast, we grade on a seven stripe scale for the seven stripes of the galed rainbow. I'm going to give play Misty for me a five. Okay. And I said, when the plot is moving forward, this one is great. It just suffers from a little bit of seventies pacing, but Jessica Walters is everything. I gave it a 5.5 and I said that damn, Jessica Walter is fucking insane in this. I loved it. Had a great time watching it.
01:23:56
Speaker
Well, that does it for
Perfect Blue: Anime and Its Impact
01:23:57
Speaker
Play Misty for me, but don't go away because we have another helping of fandom coming your way with the movie Perfect Blue. Excuse me, who are you? Excuse me, who are you?
01:24:26
Speaker
Mima was a pop star who desired to become an actress.
01:24:36
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I really hope that I can entertain you just the same as an actress. But sometimes aspirations can be deadly. I'm always watching Mima's room! In the world of make-believe. This is when Mima proves herself. The price of fame. Don't worry, Mima. It'll be all right. May not be worth the cost of identity. Where did this come from? How do they know so much?
01:25:02
Speaker
Innocence is lost. Dreams become like theirs. And privacy no longer exists. Where everything you do can be seen by everyone. And those you trust are really those you should fear.
01:25:22
Speaker
Your life no longer belongs to you. Mania Entertainment presents Satoshi Kon's animated psychological thriller, Perfect Blue.
01:25:43
Speaker
There may be blood, but this is no perfect red. It's perfect blue. Maddie, tell us all about perfect blue. The color of illusion is perfect blue. A retired pop singer turned actress's sense of reality is shaken when she is stalked by an obsessed fan and seemingly a ghost of her past. All right, now look, folks, there's gonna be a lot of Japanese names here. You understand me? A lot. Get ready.
01:26:10
Speaker
Perfect Blue was directed by Satoshi Kon, written by Sadayuki Morai, produced by Madhouse and distributed by Rex Entertainment. Mima Kiragoe was played by Junko Iwao, who also has an English name, Ruby Marlowe.
01:26:29
Speaker
Rumi was played by Rika Matsumoto, played in the American name is Wendy Lee. Tadokuro, played by Shinpachi Tsuji. Mamaro Uchida, played by Masaaki Okura, also known as Bob Marks. Tajima, played by Yosuke Akamoto. Takao Shibuya, played by Yokoshi Shioya. Sakuragi, played by Hideyuki Hori, also known as Sparky Thornton,
01:26:58
Speaker
You chose.
01:27:00
Speaker
name there. Eri Ochiyai played by Emi Shinohara, Murano played by Masashi Ibarra, the director was played by Kiko Yuki Yanada, Yada was played by Tohru Furusawa, Yukiko played by Emiko Furukawa, Rei played by Shiho Niyama, and Tadashi Doi played by Akio Tsuyama. I did a good job on those.
01:27:29
Speaker
Well, good job. And we know why we didn't let me do that. Our ongoing thing. The film was rated R. It was rated, by the way. It's 81 minutes long. It is from Japan, of course, released on August 5th, 1997. The budget for this animated film or anime was $830,000, basically.
01:27:53
Speaker
And the gross in the UK, the US in the UK only is all that we have data for. And the gross was about $770,000 basically. I imagine this made gangbusters in Asia though. Oh, it had to have. And I think it's probably still doing that because it's a bit of a classic.
01:28:09
Speaker
So look, this is this was a first watch for both of us. And we've we've not talked about an animated film before in the show, which I was kind of surprised that we hadn't yet, but we definitely have not. And we don't do a great many foreign language films. We tend to do them only in English. I will say, Andrew, I did watch this today because I had to watch it today because I was just pressed for time and the I rented it from Apple.
01:28:38
Speaker
And you can either watch it with Japanese audio or with American with English audio. So just because I didn't have that option and just because I had to get it done today, I just opted for the English audio, which was a good experience.
01:28:59
Speaker
When audio, when you can change the audio for like a live action movie, I don't like that because it's a weird experience. But with animated, it kind of works if I'm being honest. And so yeah, I want to go back and watch it again in Japanese and just read the subtitles, which I have no problem with subtitles. Today I was rushed for time. So it was an interesting experience. Anyways, first watch for both of us. Andrew, tell me what you thought about it.
01:29:25
Speaker
Yeah, so I watched the I did watch the Japanese with subtitles. And you can currently watch this on shutter or AMC plus here in the US if you if you have it. Yeah, unfortunately, it was not on shutter here, which sucked. Yeah. So yeah, first time watch. I didn't know what I was getting into with this movie. And I think that that's maybe the best way to watch the movie.
01:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, because it is very disturbing and you know, like I think growing up in the US with Disney movies and everything we kind of just always equate animation to like innocence. You know what I mean? I do. Yeah. And so when this movie goes on and that first murder happens and
01:30:07
Speaker
And then we go on to the fake rape scene and the subsequent murders. I was like, holy shit, this is more visceral than most live action movies that I've seen. I mean, when that when that photographer gets attacked in his in his apartment from the pizza person,
01:30:28
Speaker
That's so visceral. It was insane. And it just goes on and on and on. And I was like, Jesus Christ. But overall, I think this was a surprise for me. I went into it thinking maybe that I wouldn't like it as much, but came out of it really loving it and really loving the character.
01:30:49
Speaker
of not only Mima, but of Rumi. Um, cause she takes like a whole different, they have completely different arcs in the movie that kind of come together by the end. Sure. But it's, it's like this push and pull of like willing to do anything for fame. And then like, you know, Rumi kind of represents like, I won't, I won't do that. And I won't make anyone do that for fame.
01:31:13
Speaker
And so it's just an interesting, an interesting watch for both of those characters. And then it's surrounded by a bunch of other crazy characters. I, I, I laughed many, many times when her alter ego was teasing her because she's just like you stupid whore and then skips down the street. Now you're a dirty lady. Yeah.
01:31:35
Speaker
So I did like that a lot. But overall, I had a great time with this movie. I thought it was fun. It kept me guessing. And I did not guess the ending at all. So I didn't either. Yeah.
01:31:49
Speaker
What are your thoughts on Perfect Blue? I think I don't seek out anime. I'm trying to think of what's, I'm looking it up right now, Spirited Away, which was by Miyazaki.
01:32:08
Speaker
I've watched his films because they're beautiful, they're gorgeous. They are also really dark and in very odd ways. Of course, I've watched those. But other than that, it's not a thing that is usually in my radar if I'm being honest. So in other words, films like this, I would never really think of going for because I just don't think about them.
01:32:33
Speaker
What I'll say is sort of like an end result of watching this one is, at the end of it, I was like, huh, I need to watch more anime. I definitely need to dive into some other films beyond just Miyazaki's and learn more about the entire art of it and also just like,
01:32:54
Speaker
Like other really great stories because people who love anime fucking love anime, right? And and there's something to it. And this is this is one of those films that that really shows you why they do. I think it's it's obviously a very dark movie or we wouldn't be talking about it. And the story is really incredible. You know, this is watching it. This is like a descent into madness. And it's it's so
01:33:21
Speaker
It's so cool to watch it done in anime because you can just do so much with it. You're not bound by actual physical reality. You can make things happen on screen that you wouldn't necessarily be able to make happen if you were filming something live.
01:33:37
Speaker
Now, I will say that, once again, I had to watch this film today, so I didn't have a ton of time to really look into it. But I did notice on IMDB that there is a perfect blue that is being made this year. I believe it's a live action version of this, but I could be wrong. I'm not entirely sure. But it'll be fun to see a live action version of it after seeing the anime version and just comparing the two.
01:34:00
Speaker
I agree with you. I think that Mima and Rumi are really incredible characters. Mima is just... It was interesting to watch this animated character go through the guilt of leaving something that she really loved, being a champion, a champ, and going on to do something that was very foreign to her and something that really scared her, quite obviously.
01:34:26
Speaker
To a point where she doesn't know how to say no because she just wants to do the very best that she can and all the all the regrets that she has from doing scenes in the show and becoming a model and taking photos that she didn't really want to take. I mean there the scene where she's getting raped for the show that she's on.
01:34:47
Speaker
is that is a fucking intense scene. Like that was long. It's long. I mean, it was it's very disturbing to watch. And, you know, the anime does so well at playing a trick on your brain. I mean, obviously, these characters are not real. Like they've been drawn. You know what I mean? Like this, this is not a real human being.
01:35:07
Speaker
Um, but it, even beyond that, like you care about this, this person so much. And like, you know, she's an incredible character, but she's, she's also just one that you want. It's like, you want to help her. You know what I mean? So, um, and, and Rumi turns out to just be a total fucking whack job. And, um, it's, it's really, I don't know, it's for,
01:35:30
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For for for my first foray really into talking about anime i think this is a really good choice and yeah and i really enjoyed watching it like i said i just gotta see more now i really do yeah did you notice in that i'm seeing roomie has like a wendy torrance cigarette
01:35:46
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Oh, yeah, she does. So there's there is a Jodie Foster reference in the movie. I can't remember exactly where it is. And I caught it because I was listening to the English audio track. Oh, got it. Maybe because. Yeah. Yeah. But when it's when Rumi and who's the guy who's the guy that she talks all the time?
01:36:08
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Uh, I get the manager or whatever they, yeah, whatever it is. Yeah. Isn't that Tada Coro, Tada Coro? Yeah. Maybe. And like folks forgive us on this. Like obviously when, when we're not dealing with names that we're very familiar with, it's hard to get them straight if I'm being honest with you. So yeah. And it's our other manager. Rumi is one of our managers and the kind of more sleazy. Right.
01:36:30
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But when they're talking about the scenes that she would be doing or whatever, like Rumi is like, oh, we need to be careful that she, you know, what if people start to stalk her or whatever? And Todokuro says, says something like, well, it didn't work out so well for the Jodi kid. And I was like, oh, let's talk about Jodi Foster. That's hilarious. That's funny. So yeah, it was it was fun. I mean, have you seen any other anime, really? Have you in the other anime?
01:36:57
Speaker
I've seen some but it's it's always like the really popular ones so like I don't like you I had just have not dove into kind of like this horror do you feel kind of the same way now that like you want to watch more yeah for sure especially if they're as like mind-bendy as this like maybe we should do animation is terrifying soon we could yeah yeah that would be cool
01:37:19
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Um, no, well, like caught me off guard in this movie is I didn't expect it to be so, um, like, no, it's, it's not confusing. It's confusing because they want you to be confused, but it's just like, I didn't, there were a lot of times where I didn't know what was real and what wasn't like, and for a movie to do that to me, that takes something because like our,
01:37:41
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Listen, we're at 117 episodes. We've watched a lot of horror movies over the last five years. We've watched a lot. And so a movie to quote, unquote, like get me, that takes a lot. And so I got to give credit where credit's due with Perfect Blue, because there were a lot of parts where I didn't know if she was on the TV show that she was on or if it was happening in real life. And so you have a credit.
01:38:04
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Especially for, um, for 1997, you know what I mean? Watching it today in 2024, for God's sake, like it's, I dunno, you almost think that you're watching it and it was made like yesterday. Yeah. The only thing that dates it is the state of the internet.
01:38:22
Speaker
Right. That's really the only thing. This is how you open up a browser in the world. And then it was fucking like it was like the Netscape Navigator logo. Yes. Oh, my God. A couple of weird little tidbits about this movie that I didn't know. Did you know these come from Wikipedia? American performer. Why am I even saying that?
01:38:40
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Madonna incorporated clips from Perfect Blue into a remix of her song, What It Feels Like For A Girl, as a video interlude during her Drowned World Tour. God, I missed that Age of Madonna. Jesus, do I miss that. God, it was good.
01:38:57
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And then also, and this apparently is sort of like a big controversy, American filmmaker Darren Aronofsky acknowledged the similarities in his 2010 film, Black Swan, but denied that Black Swan was inspired by Perfect Blue.
01:39:14
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His previous film, this is interesting, his previous film Requiem for a Dream features a remake of the bathtub scene from Perfect Blue. And I didn't realize, I love Requiem for a Dream, but I didn't realize that until I watched the movie. A reissued blog entry mentioned Aronofsky's film Requiem for a Dream as being among Kahn's list of films he viewed for 2010.
01:39:36
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in addition, and Khan, and Khan is the person who directed Perfect Blue. Khan blogged about his meeting with Aronofsky in 2001. So a little bit of controversy there. And if you look at like the letterbox reviews for this too, a lot of people dig on Aronofsky for it. Like there's one here from Maria. Maria gives Perfect Blue four and a half stars and says, Darren Aronofsky, retire bitch. And then Mia, these are people that I know too.
01:40:05
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Mia gave it five stars and says Black Swan at 2010 was found dead in a ditch. It's pretty funny, but people take that really seriously. And it is interesting that Aronofsky denies that. I mean, it's kind of undeniable. This is Black Swan animated. It's ridiculous. So that is kind of weird. I liked Aronofsky. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth for him, if I'm being honest.
01:40:33
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Yeah, I do have a question for you about the movie. Yes, I know. Obviously, at the end of the movie, it is revealed that Rumi is the actual mastermind behind everything. But we also have the character who I don't think is named in the movie, if I'm if I'm remembering correctly, if he's named, I couldn't tell you who the fuck it is. Yeah.
01:40:51
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But he's like the stalker with one eye, essentially, because he's always got hair over the other eye. And it's funny because in half of the animation, it looks like he has a hollow eye, which made it even creepier, to be honest. But he is revealed to still be a stalker of hers because he sets up the browser
01:41:12
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the website, Rumi's room, I'm sorry, Mima's room, where he basically blogs about her day every day because he's following her and because Rumi is sending him emails every day pretending to be her. And so do you think that Rumi is the mastermind that killed everybody or do you think that that guy, because I don't know if he caught this, but there's even a poster, there's a poster of like a newspaper or something.
01:41:40
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And it's like young child, hit and run accident. And it's the kid who interrupted her concert at the beginning. And I don't think Rumi would have been around for that. I would think that because that guy gets in a fight with that with her stalker at that concert. So I thought maybe it was kind of like shared responsibility of the murders, but I wanted to get your take on it.
01:42:03
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That's the way that I took it, for sure. I mean, to be honest, I don't think I thought about it until you're asking this question right now. But now that you pose it, I think it's shared. I do. Yeah.
01:42:14
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Um, I thought it was funny that I also, I don't think that Rumi, I think that Rumi is singularly focused on Mima. Yeah. As, as, as opposed to other people. It's like, there's no, like, there's no reason for her to like do it to other people. If that makes sense, I guess. I don't know. I mean, she only goes after people that hurt her. Um, you know,
01:42:37
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Apart from the, he's not the director, he's like the producer, I think, that gets the fan letter and it explodes on him, which I thought was so funny that then the letter says, or she gets a letter next that says, the next time it'll be real. And I was like, looked pretty real this time when it exploded in the guy's face. I think it was real now, bitch. You know what I mean? Like, fuck. But like I said, the photographer's death is very visceral because it's like,
01:43:06
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What would you even call that? Like an ice pick that she uses? I think it's an ice pick. And she gets stabbed him right in the eye, but he doesn't die right then. He stumbles through his apartment and she stabs him a bunch more. And I thought it was funny that when he gets the pizza, he's like, you're the weirdest pizza boy I have ever seen. For real.
01:43:28
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I'm trying to think if there were other things. Oh, there was a line that I caught from Cham. It's when they're the duo later on that was really interesting, a line. And it's in their lyrics and it says, perfume wasn't for me till I caught the scent. And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.
01:43:50
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I should tell you too that the English version, that the English audio version does everything in English. So it even redoes the songs. So the songs are sung in English and they don't sound like... The English audio is produced really, really well.
01:44:09
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And like they sound like real songs. So in other words, it's not like just like shitty transcriptions, you know what I mean? And another thing that happens too is the English audio version also had when the songs are on, they had Japanese subtitles come up on the screen, which is really cool. So like it was, I don't, like I said, I really never changed the language audio because I just, I'd never do that.
01:44:34
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But it was really interesting to see it so well done for this. I highly recommend, watch both versions if you have the time and if you have the ability. It's only 80 minutes, you can do it. I'm probably going to watch the Japanese version tonight just because now I finally have fucking time. But I thought it was really well done. So if you need to watch the English audio version, I think that you absolutely can and don't feel bad about it.
01:45:01
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Another part that I have in my notes here is there was a part where she walks into the radio studio and I'm like, is Cham recording a podcast right now? Because they're like, you know, they're like staying across from each other with microphones.
01:45:18
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I thought that that was pretty good and kind of telling of where things were going at the time in 1997. There's the part where she's in the police station and she's getting interviewed by the actress, but they do it like twice. And so I was like, obviously one of these times is supposed to be for the TV show, but I
01:45:40
Speaker
I was weirded out by that part because I could not figure out what was going on. I don't know if you had similar reaction to that scene. It was pretty similar. I think another thing about the movie too that's just so good is it's very striking. And once again, because it's anime, you can just do things that you can't do live action necessarily.
01:46:01
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Well, for instance, the one part that I really like is at the end when Rumi is chasing her down the street, you get a brief glimpse of what Rumi actually looks like running because like in, in, in like the dream state or not dream state in like the state that they show you in the movie, she's kind of just like skipping along, right? But when they show her like actually like,
01:46:21
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It's like running and you're like, oh, that's cool. And you can only do that with animation, you know what I mean? And the part at the end where they have the fight and then Rumi puts herself onto the glass shard. She's reaching for her wig. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she goes into the road and the truck is speeding down before Mima tackles her and gets her out of the way. But the truck is speeding down and she just spreads her arms and watches the light.
01:46:50
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beautiful, like what a beautiful picture. Yeah, truly gorgeous, gorgeous stuff. And in true like Japanese anime style, the end scene where the two that she goes to the center where Rumi is being held and she is leaving and the two nurses or whatever they are, they're like, is that is that Mima? No way. She wouldn't have a place like this. Yeah.
01:47:13
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And then she gets in the car and in true anime fashion, she goes, looks in the rear view mirror, has a little like glint in her eyes and she says, nope, I'm real.
01:47:23
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And then the music kicks on. Yeah, I'm really glad that you chose this one with this episode because it was something very different for us. And I
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01:47:35
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am truly like, I might do like a little mini like anime marathon for myself, just to like, you know, delve into this some more because I just, I had a delightful time with it.
01:47:44
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And if listeners have any recommendations of other movies like Perfect Blue, we'd love to hear them. So reach out on social media. I mean, look, we're going to do animation is terrifying. So now you know, if you have animated films that you would like us to review that we can consider for the episode, let us know. Be very, very cool. For sure.
01:48:06
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All right, Matty, what do you give Perfect Blue and what are your final thoughts? Yeah, I'm going to up mine a little bit more to five and a half. And I said that the only anime I've watched were dark and this is the darkest yet.
01:48:19
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I'm going to also give it a five point five. And I said for our first foray into animation, I think we picked a winner, a mind bending mystery that kept me guessing till the end. Yes. So, folks, that does it for our horror in the movies segment of the show. We'll be right back to close out the show with our game. Are you fan dumb? The beehive.
01:48:43
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is what you call the stands, the people who are standing for Beyonce. One of the craziest, most devoted super fan groups I've ever encountered. In their eyes, literally, she is a saint. It goes Jesus, Beyonce, Mother Teresa. So folks, that does it for another episode of Friday the 13th Horror Podcast. Before we go, Andrew's cooked up a very fun game for us with a very fun name. So Andrew, tell us all about it.
01:49:11
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I came up with the game, Are You Fandom? And in this game, I'm going to read popular fandoms. So as an example, the Beyhive for Beyonce. Okay. Get it? And you have to try to guess who is the celebrity behind the fandom. Okay. Got it. Sure. Got it. The first one is Glamberts. Who are the Glamberts represented by Miranda Lambert?
01:49:37
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Adam Lambert. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Yay. Glam. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. All right. Who are the coconuts? The coconuts. The coconuts. These are fans of the Koch brothers. These are fans of
01:49:56
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These are, do they have fans? No, no. Um, they are, these are the fans of Conan O'Brien. So really? Oh yeah. Cause he's called Coco. Okay. Yeah, sure. All right. This next one and think we have a personal tie to this person. So just think, just think about that. The love it love. Sorry. This, this is a hard one to pronounce. It's not pronounced, but it's weird word. Love a ticks the love ticks.
01:50:20
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Beloved tics. Beloved tics. Okay, wait, let me think here. We have a personal connection to them. Beloved tics.
01:50:30
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Oh God, Andrew, I don't know. That would be... Go ahead. No, go ahead. You have a guess? No, it's not going to be the right one. Go ahead. This is the fans of Demi Lovato. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Okay. Oh, Demi Lovato. This next one, if you've been following this term at all, you'll know who the fandom is for this one, the Juggalos.
01:50:54
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Oh, the Jugolos are Insane Clown Posse. That is correct. Ding, ding, ding. All right. And their final one, the Lizzbians. I mean, obviously Liz. Liz. Oh, which one? Liz Fair? Liz Taylor? Liz? What are the Lizzas are there? He just said it, actually. Liz Taylor?
01:51:17
Speaker
No, it's fair. No, you went. What other lizzos are there? Oh, Liz. Oh, Jesus. God almighty. Well, there we go. There it is. Right. Well, that does it for our new fandom. Well, Andrew, that was a fun episode. So, folks, listen, before we let you go, a couple of housekeeping items. First off, if you have not if you've if you've thought before about becoming a patron for our show,
01:51:45
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01:53:43
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01:54:35
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