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It's Giving Scraps
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This week the boys recap their top 5 COWBOY CARTER tracks, discuss Dua Lipa’s new single + music video for “Illusion” as well as the Radical Optimism era (or shall we say radical floptimism?), Kelis, The fever dream that is Alanis Morissette covering “My Humps”, Tori Kelly, “The Tortured Poets Department” predictions, Azealia Banks and the gatekeeping of genres within the music industry.
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Misheard Lyrics and Listening Preferences
00:00:00
Speaker
OK, here's a question about cowboy, cowboy, cowboy, cock, cock, boy, Carter, Ms. Ms. Carter on Levi's jeans when she's saying before she says I'm a fucking centerfold, the lyrics on Apple Music say I'm a fucking animal. But my ears hear her say I'm a barking animal. What do you hear? Fucking animal.
00:00:28
Speaker
re-listen to it next time and tell me if you hear barking because I the more and more that I listen to it when she says that fucking versus the second fucking it sounds like barking instead of fucking I don't listen to that song actively because it's not it's one of my least favorites on the album okay you have least favorites yeah I like them all okay there's not one I don't like okay I actually what this brings up a good conversation because okay
00:00:57
Speaker
for our listeners out there.
00:00:59
Speaker
I personally am not really consuming still. What is it? What is it? Three weeks now, anything else? I'm still consuming this like crazy. There's nothing else
Beyoncé's Album Ranking and Flow
00:01:08
Speaker
remotely eating at the level that cowboy Carter is nor, you know, they wish they wish are. Yeah, they wish. And I want to get into this, do the Marie Peep Jones, the third and a few minutes here. But I wanted to ask you because we've had some time with this album for a little bit now. Yeah, definitely. I would say it's becoming.
00:01:29
Speaker
top five Beyonce albums for me for sure. I don't know where it would fall. Definitely not my favorite. I wouldn't say it's as good as Renaissance, but it's fucking amazing. So what are your top five songs? Like you can give me like definitive top five or currently and then I'll give you mine. But I want to hear like where you're at right now after having a few weeks of it.
00:01:48
Speaker
Yeah. So for me with that's really tough because I'm I'm not kidding when I say like I listen to the album from start to finish and I have not gotten to the point yet where I personally feel comfortable like like moving around on it or like or being selective with the songs. I like I put it on and I start with American Requiem and I finish with Amen.
00:02:17
Speaker
And it's been very only I would say less than a handful of times where I've actually like gone and been like, oh, I want to listen to this track specifically, or I want to listen to that track specifically. So you're so cool and unique and niche. And like, I love that about you.
00:02:35
Speaker
No, I just feel like like that. I mean, that album is just so structured that way more so than Renaissance. Like I feel like the way that everything transitions into one another interludes, like it feels like a complete listening experience. And it's
Favorite Tracks and Extended Versions
00:02:51
Speaker
I mean, you know, going back to that interview from what 2011, when she was like, nobody releases albums anymore, this really sing on a burns out really single burns out.
00:03:00
Speaker
Like, I feel like she's truly on a mission to make albums still relevant. And I feel like this album doing it flawlessly and doing it flawlessly. So sorry. So to answer your question, what my top five songs are, that's I mean, American Requiem. Just for fun. Yaya. I'm going to go with. It's so hard. I know you love a steak.
00:03:28
Speaker
I'm going to say sweet honey buck in an amen. Damn, girl. Amen. I love the amen. But it's so similar to American Requiem. You would think you would throw a different one in there. I know. But there's a specifically the part where she's like, Trump, that's for the silent sound. I love that part. I love that part. Like every time it happens, I get goose pimples. It's so nice.
00:03:57
Speaker
So, okay. That's not the top five I was expecting. Just because I wasn't expecting Amen, I feel like that's an interesting... What were you expecting for me? Everything else about Amen.
00:04:09
Speaker
What? OK, what was the what? Did you think that was going to say instead of a man? I don't know something. I'm a religious girl now. Something else. OK, I see I'm in the week now. This I've had enough time with the now where I have finally gotten to the point where I'm re-listening to certain songs more than others. OK, so there are some that kind of like.
00:04:31
Speaker
You know, again, I listen to them all. I like the whole album. I really want to restate that. There's not a song I don't like. I'm not not an interlude. I don't like either. Yeah. I go back. I go back to listen to a lot of the interludes. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about albums where I do that. Right. It's it's again, it creates the cinematic like experience for us for the listener. So it like it just it truly does a wonderful job of setting you up for the next track.
00:04:56
Speaker
Yeah. So I would say kind of definitively, no, maybe not definitively, but like at the moment and just kind of as a whole, since it came out, my, my top five as it stands, two hands to heaven, I think is my favorite song on the album. I still feel it's just, I think of you every time I listen to that song. That one, I hear something new every time I hear it. Yeah.
Interludes and Nostalgic Elements
00:05:17
Speaker
Every time I hear it, I'm picking up on different vocal affectations, different vocal stylings, different instruments, different background moments. Like.
00:05:25
Speaker
It's so layered. Yeah, it's so layered and so beautiful. And like, I just love it. I just love it. So that's probably my favorite. I'm an Alligator Tears girl. Oh, yes. I love Alligator Tears. The balloons on Zencaster are going up because we love Alligator Tears. Oh, I love Alligator Tears. I love Alligator Tears. Alligator Tears to me
00:05:51
Speaker
was the first song that stood out to me the most on the first listen because I'm like, you know, Beyonce Bon Jovi Giselle knows Carter. So, which I've said four times now, but I.
00:06:02
Speaker
can say it now because I've said it so much. Yeah, I love this song. And it was like a huge stand out for me in the beginning. And then like maybe like the second weekend, I kind of was like listening more, giving other songs more attention. But now I'm back to listening to it again. It's just like those kind of like deep, beautiful vocals that she's giving. It's kind of it's kind of similar to just for fun to me in terms of like the energy behind it. Yeah, sisters. And to me, to
Dua Lipa's New Releases and Reaction
00:06:29
Speaker
me, it's the better one for sure. So.
00:06:31
Speaker
I just absolutely love this song. I love this song so much. It feels nostalgic as you brought up before I adore it. That would be one of them. Sweet Honey Bucket is probably my most played song just because I'm playing it at the gym, I'm playing it in the car. And I specifically love Bucket.
00:06:51
Speaker
Yeah. Buck in. Oh, my God. Yeah. Get me on a mechanical bull immediately. I want to go to Bucky's get go to Bucky's and get back in because Buck in is just everything. But that song is a whole. And I even I'm starting to feel like Pharrell's a little like like his little like things in the background. One hundred percent. Yeah.
00:07:10
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love it. I love Anytime Pharrell's on a song. So that would be in there. American Requiem for sure, just because it's the most layered and interesting. It takes you on the journey, the most out of all the songs. And it definitely sets the precedent for the album. I heard someone talking. Actually, I forgot where I heard this. If it was like online or a podcast, what they were saying, you know, that song is kind of necessary because without that, it
00:07:33
Speaker
It sets the tone for the album in so many different ways in terms of where it's going to go. Yeah. Like genre wise. Do you know what I mean? Like it gives you rock wise. Yeah. Gives you rock. It gives you gospel. It gives you country. Like it gives you everything in one song. So I thought that was a brilliant point. I was like, yeah, that's so true. Like it with I can't imagine the album without it. Yeah. And it's her best intro. So.
00:07:56
Speaker
That, oh, so that's four, right? I think so. Alligator Tears, Sweet Honey Bucket, American Requiem, and then... Wait, no, it's just three. Did you say a fourth? Two Hands to Heaven. Two Hands to Heaven, oh my gosh, yeah. Oh, and Yaya.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. That's that would say it's like the five I revisit the most. But there's a lot of interludes I revisit apart from my top five. I revisit. I revisit Flamenco a lot lately. I revisit. Oh, I really I like that block of songs, like I said. Oh, my gosh. And like truly, it's so funny to me how much I love. Oh, Louisiana. Like, right. I get so excited. And I'm just like immediately like I sent you that I mean, I.
00:08:42
Speaker
Well, I didn't make the meme, but like, you know, that like the seagull meme where it's like, oh, Luke.
00:08:47
Speaker
And I just, every time I think of that, because that's truly how I feel in my spirit. 100%. No. And we say that so much, by the way, listening back to some of these episodes, I'm like, we love the word 100%. We love saying 100%. 100%. 100%. So yeah, I completely agree, though. I think that block of song was like we talked about last time, Flamenco to Desert Eagle.
00:09:12
Speaker
Interesting. Oh, Desert Eagle. Desert Eagle will be my sixth favorite, I would say. Yeah. And then my rose maybe. But OK. We're not doing that right now. We're just doing top five. Yeah. Yeah. I. Oh, my gosh. Desert Eagle. I need a 10 minute version immediately. Immediately. That song has grown so much like the dosey does at the end.
00:09:35
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. I would. Yeah, I would love to hear if it does get remixed or extended or whatever. I would love to hear where it goes. Like, will they put a beat behind it? Because right now it's just that like funky guitar bass line and leave it, leave it just that 10 minutes. It adds so much to the album. Yeah, it really does. And oh, yeah, it's like it's kind of the partition of the album.
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah, it really is 100%. Oh, there it is again. But no, it really is. It's definitely the nastiest song for sure. Yeah, it's Desert Eagle in the backseat. It's sexy. But but yeah, I mean, here we are. We're still listening to it. We're still consuming it. There's nothing really interesting else other than today that that's happened in the last three weeks.
00:10:29
Speaker
Yeah. And and so today I'm sure I'm assuming that you are referring to Ms. Dula Marie Peep releasing. Dula Marie Peep Jones Tommy. The third. Releasing the third single off of radical optimism today. Illusion. Yes. Yes. And and the song is out. The video is out. Did you watch the video or did you just listen to the song?
00:10:53
Speaker
So thank
Production Quality and Disco Influence
00:10:54
Speaker
God for my friend, Javi. Shout out if you're listening. I, I was just so busy today. I was listening to Beyonce all day. I forgot that the song came out today. Okay. I just within the last hour listened to it for the first time in full and watched the music video. Yeah. So these opinions and thoughts are fresh and new. And I just want to point that out there. But in the words of Calise, young, fresh and new.
00:11:24
Speaker
When he won it, he blindfolded me. Do you know that song Young Fresh and New? What's that on? Is that on Tasty? No, it's on the album that came out before Tasty that was only released in the UK called Wanderlust. I don't know that. Okay, I don't know that album because there's an album between Kaleidoscope and Tasty, right? Yeah, it's Wanderlust. 2001, somewhere around there. I don't know that album.
00:11:45
Speaker
At all, it was it was released to streaming over the last couple of years or whatever, but it was never available in the US. So I mean, there's really no way that you would have known it. Yeah, but I've seen it like on Apple Music and stuff. Yeah, I've seen it in there. Yeah, it's it's a good album. There are some songs from that album that made it onto Tasty. So they like repurposed them. Can I can I be honest with you? Yeah. I like to lease a lot. Yeah.
00:12:11
Speaker
And I love the Neptunes and I love Milkshake. I think Milkshake is like one of the best pop songs of all time. Yeah. Hands down. Yeah. Maybe top 25. Like it's so good. Yeah. It really is such a moment. It really is. It really is. But Tasty the album does not do it for me.
00:12:29
Speaker
It's I mean, when you leave it with a song like milkshake, sorry, we completely derailed from. It's OK. We'll go. We'll go back to. We'll go back. But we do. But by milkshake leading with a single like milkshake off of an album called Tasty. I mean, there was really no other songs that hold a candle to a song like that. You know, no, there's really not. It's a lot of like slow, sexy R&B, which I love. Yeah, that. But it just wasn't.
00:12:59
Speaker
Yeah. Especially with the Neptunes. I'm like, what? Yeah. There are a few songs on that album that I really do like, Keep It Down, which is like the rock song I really like a lot. And I also loved the song In Public with Nas. Yeah. That was a single, right?
00:13:15
Speaker
Um, it was, I think maybe like a radio single. I don't know if it, I don't think it got a music video. I don't know if it was like an official, like, I don't think it got a full moment, but, um, yeah, I mean, she didn't find success with any other singles from that album. And here in the U S, um, in the UK, I think trick me was a big hit. Um, and then she also released a little star.
00:13:40
Speaker
what as a single, which I think is a cute song as well. Kind of like a torch style song. But yeah, the rest of the album doesn't really stick out to me. And justice for keep it down because I love keep it down. It also
00:13:56
Speaker
I did not want to get into critiquing
Genre Expectations and Artist Management
00:13:59
Speaker
an album from 2003 because that's so random, but I don't feel like it's a cohesive kind of CD really. It's just kind of like, I don't know, it flails a little bit, but anyways.
00:14:13
Speaker
Yeah. Sorry to this man. But I want to. Justice for the law, the law is on energy anyways. Right. Yeah, that's it. Speak on that. Speak on that. Speak on that. Speak on that. My un-American life. Yeah. I. Yeah. So going back to radical flop optimism, as I'm calling it.
00:14:37
Speaker
You lovingly all of that. I talked about this. I love Dua Lipa. She's one of the most pop stars I'm most excited about. My favorite pop star to come out of the last, God, maybe 10 years, honestly, honestly, like in terms of like being like a moment, I could see her career really taking off in a huge way. And she's not that she's not super successful, but being like a Lady Gaga, being a Britney, you know, maybe not to that degree, but like
00:15:03
Speaker
close. She doesn't seem to be embarrassed about being a pop star, whereas other pop stars seem to be embarrassed about that a little bit. She owns it. She owns it. Yeah, she owns it. I love her. I love the girl. And she's beautiful. And I love her music so much. But
00:15:19
Speaker
I will say the songs coming from this era, and we've talked about this a little bit, are not bad. They're not bad at all. It just to me. And this is my problem with Illusion 2. I do like the song. I'm deciding if it's my favorite one. It might be. It might be my favorite one at the moment. I need more time with it, but I think.
00:15:41
Speaker
I just I just think maybe I still like Houdini the most and I think it's because the beginning of it like that part like I like certain elements of the song where it just is interesting and unique and new and these two songs just especially illusion especially what's the other one training season they both feel like scrapped future nostalgia songs to me
00:16:01
Speaker
Oh, interesting. Yeah. I especially feel it with this one, but I do really like this song. I don't love it. And it's still one of those things where every song has left me wanting just a little bit more. It's like it feels unfinished. Yeah.
00:16:18
Speaker
It feels like it just doesn't take you there. And I'm sorry, but this this like new disco sound, I am so over this, you know, and I just feel like there's there's still there's still too much of that in this new batch of songs.
00:16:34
Speaker
Well, and I completely agree. I don't know where I stand on an illusion yet. I love the music video. The music video, I think, is stunning and it's the best music video from this era thus far. By far. Yeah, I agree. I think the music video is fantastic. Stunning. Very clearly inspired by Kylie Minogue. Slow. I know that she- I got two. Slow. I think that she referenced that- And Honey a little bit.
00:16:59
Speaker
Oh, OK. I didn't get the semen. I got I got a mix in my brain. It went it went honey and slow. Those were the two things that came together. For me, it was it was slow and all the lovers, both Kylie Minogue music videos with the Tower of Men. But I and it's definitely from I mean, again, this third single from the album, we have not heard the rest of the tracks yet.
00:17:28
Speaker
The it feels like thus far it's the hallucinate of the album. It gives me a little bit of reminiscent moments of that, I guess. But yeah, it didn't immediately grab me. I do love the breakdown after the bridge. I appreciated that structurally. I applaud it. I was like, this is structured like how I want a pop song to be structured. And
00:17:53
Speaker
I am so sorry to this man, Jeff, and I don't don't be unfriend me, but Kevin Parker needs to go producing the pop girls. That's my personal opinion on this. How do we know that the reason this song feels unfinished is because of him? Because okay, so remember on I think it was the last episode of the episode prior, I had mentioned that Kevin Parker
00:18:14
Speaker
produced Gaga's Joanne album, I completely botched that. He only produced Perfect Illusion. And Perfect Illusion, I would argue, is one of Gaga's weakest singles. That album's her weakest album. I agree. But that song in particular is one of her weakest songs, especially being a lead single.
00:18:34
Speaker
And Kevin Parker is the, I believe the main producer on this album. He's produced all three singles with Danny Harley. And that's just, that's what I'm getting from it. And I want to believe you that he's a great musician. I don't think he's a bad musician, but I don't think he's producing the pop girls.
00:18:55
Speaker
in the way that you should. I mean, I don't know because I like a lot of the elements of Houdini. There's a lot of elements to illusion I like. I don't know if I agree with the production of it. I think there's just something missing. And I think again, it just feels what it feels to me personally isn't Tame Impala is the problem. It feels like
00:19:15
Speaker
The sound as a whole is a problem because it feels like there's a lot of scrapped new disco songs that I just don't care to hear. Like we got future nostalgia. We got we got all of that. And I do like the song. But yeah, I don't know if he's the problem. Also, it's not really giving psychedelic
00:19:36
Speaker
whatever. Yeah, I like that's what she what did she call it was like a it was a 10 genres. Yeah, it was like a psychedelic pop tribute to UK rave culture or something like that. I like how Beyonce is literally
Industry Struggles and Album Quality
00:19:50
Speaker
like this album is country. Well, it's not country. It's Beyonce. That's all she said about it. And there's 25,000 genres going on. And then this album is literally
00:20:00
Speaker
one sound. Yeah, one sound. It's scrap. Yeah, the UK rave. I don't even know. But like, to me, if you're gonna call something a psychedelic pop tribute to UK rave culture, again, I'm thinking immediately of Melanie sees I turned to you.
00:20:18
Speaker
That's like what I think of when I think of UK rave culture, granted, maybe someone needs to educate me on what UK rave culture sounds like. But that, to me, I know that was a huge number one hit in the year 2000, like massive. I mean, it's basically sandstorm with vocals. And I was literally going to bring up that Darude. And I just feel like I'm like, go there. And also, I feel to to
00:20:47
Speaker
comment on the disco sound of it all the reason why so many I think that why I'm so tired of these disco songs is that disco music used to be long and that was kind of the whole point of it it would take you on a journey the songs were
00:21:02
Speaker
five, six, seven, eight minutes long. Granted, I get that we are in the TikTok, Spotify world right now that no one has time for that allegedly. But I feel like if you're if you're trying to recreate the sounds of the past, but then try to do it in a two and a half, three minute time slot, it's not you're not going to succeed because you're not you're not going to take people on the journey that the way that those other songs because disco disco is also like a culture. There's like an energy to disco. Do you know what I mean? Like there is a whole like
00:21:32
Speaker
feeling behind it. And so you can take elements from it, but it's not the same. And I feel like... And to your point too, the sound has just been done to death.
00:21:43
Speaker
It's been done to death, but I let's not blame Kevin Parker, please, because Kevin Parker is still I know my blame. No, no, ma'am. He is still again, his whole thing. I think why again, when she said like it's going to be psychedelic, whatever, that's what he does best. Like if it was that way, we would have gotten a really interesting sound because Kevin Parker is the king of that. He's amazing at producing those kind of sounds. Then why haven't we gotten it? There are several songs I think you would like of his. I really do.
00:22:10
Speaker
Um, even though it's not your vibe, he is talented. All the artists want to work with him. You know, Kelly was just, just worked with him. Many people have, but he, he has lent himself to some of these songs. I hear it in some parts, but he's not, I can, these are, these don't sound like Kevin Parker songs to me. They don't. So I, I'm not going to, I am just regurgitating the information that I have been fed that he is co-writer and co-producer on all the songs. How many writers and producers are on the songs?
00:22:40
Speaker
So Danny Harley and him are the producers of the singles thus far, from what I've seen. And then the songs have all been written by Dua, Kevin, someone named Caroline and someone named Tobias. And I know that I believe Caroline and Tobias have also written stuff for Future Nostalgia as well. Yeah, I think I think that
00:23:05
Speaker
Again, I don't think the problem is when I hear Kevin Parker's influence, I don't think that's the problem. I think that, but I think the problem is like, again, you're going to call it.
00:23:13
Speaker
This genre, which Kevin Parker does best, that psychedelic funk, which I love, you know, like I could see Kevin Parker producing like a, like a desert Eagle, like that's what I could see him doing. Like I can say I'm producing that kind of sound. Like he produces a lot of interesting stuff. I love him, you know, and I'm getting defensive cause he's one of my favorite artists, but that that's what he's not all over these tracks in terms of like true Kevin Parker fashion. He's not, which is what I'm saying. Like it's a song and the team is not working.
00:23:40
Speaker
together in a way where it's producing an interesting sound. Yeah, the songs are giving the stripped back. There's something stripped back about them that I feel like is missing from this alleged description of psychedelic pop UK tribute rave music, you know, like, they're two subdued still, I would say of the three singles allusions probably the most explosive
00:24:05
Speaker
quote-unquote, but I'm saying that in quotes because I don't think the song truly explodes the way that it should, personally. But, I mean, who am I? Who am I? I really like the part, and I think this is Kevin Parker's influence, after the chorus. After the bridge, after the bridge. Again, I've only listened to this song a handful of times, so I apologize, but it's
00:24:25
Speaker
It's kind of that sound vocally. I love that. That was a great touch. Yeah, I did too. I did too. But there's also kind of that almost Daft Punk-ish sounding breakdown after the bridge that I really appreciated.
00:24:43
Speaker
that I was hoping was going to be longer because she released the extended version as well today, that I was hoping was going to be longer in the extended version and it's not. And I was like, do a. But, you know, it is what it is. I'm what can I say? I'm picky when it comes to my music. No, I am, too. And quite quite frankly, it's just not it's not doing it for me thus far. It's not doing it for me, not.
00:25:08
Speaker
But let's not blame Mr. Parker. Okay. First of all, get it, get it together because he's not the sole, the sole person on this stuff. True. Very true. And they, they, they, again, people recruit Kevin Parker. I really believe this because a lot of artists do because they respect him and they know what kind of sound he's going to lend. Name them. Cali Uchis. Name them. Cali Uchis. Lady Gaga. SZA.
00:25:36
Speaker
Oh, SZA worked with him? Dula Marie Piva. SZA worked with him? Yeah, they have a song together. Okay. But yeah, I just feel like
00:25:46
Speaker
It's missing something. And again, if you are going to be psychedelic funk, like go there. If you are going to be these genres, go there. But it's getting scrapped. It's giving scrapped material. It's giving scraps. It's I would say if it's if we are truly, honestly, if we if there's someone to blame, I would honestly blame probably her record label because they're probably the ones that are like, well,
00:26:11
Speaker
This is great, but make it three minutes. And then I would also say, apparently her dad is now her manager and she fired the manager again. I don't know how true this is. I didn't like, we'll look into this very much further, but she apparently had fired her manager, who was like her manager all through the future nostalgia era and then hired her dad as her manager. And it's since her dad has been her manager is when like this for this era.
00:26:40
Speaker
And that's, and so some people are thinking like, is he to blame for a lot of this? Like, what's going on? So I don't know. All I know is, I'm still excited for the album. I still love you do. I don't hate the songs. I just wish No, the songs are not bad. They're not bad.
00:26:59
Speaker
But I'm not going back to them the way that I was going back to feature nostalgia singles. I also have to say now I'm also a little concerned because the album is only 11 tracks long and we now have three singles from the album.
00:27:15
Speaker
So when the album comes out and there's like three songs that I personally feel like are lackluster, I'm like, we only have what? What's the math on that? Seven more songs to eight more songs to that were. Are you really asking the math? Are you really asking the math behind eleven minus three? Are you really? Yeah. Well, we have we do we do have college degrees just so I do. I do. And I and yep. Mm hmm. Wow. OK, you're really good at math.
00:27:42
Speaker
I love math. Math is math thing for me all the time. The math is nothing. It's eight. It's eight. I said she ate. Did she ate? She she is. Well, I don't know. Can you eat on scraps?
00:27:54
Speaker
I think you're nibbling on those scraps. We're nibbling. Here's the thing. We want more. The scraps are tasty. But we've talked about this too. There's a lot of artists. I know Kylie Minogue is this way. And Dua Lipa, I did not like Don't Start Now personally. I know that that's a sin to some people. I understand people like that song. It's not what I like.
00:28:17
Speaker
I, when I, when I heard that song, I was like, Oh, this kind of sucks. And I'm a fan of her, you know, so when that song came out, I was like, Oh, but then the album was amazing. So never say never. Do you know what I mean? Never. The album could be really incredible. I do feel like it's just, what were your thoughts on physical when it came out? I don't like that either. I don't like it either. Okay. I think physical, I think it's lame. That's okay. So that gives me hope though, because
00:28:41
Speaker
That those two are some of the most generic kind of structurally generic sound songs to me. You know, physical just feels like it just seems like, OK, let's get physical. Olivia Newton, John, like, right, shitty ripoff, whatever. But again, the rest of the album slaps. Yeah. And I like those songs in hindsight now, but.
00:29:02
Speaker
I don't love them. They're not my favorite. So if these aren't my favorite of the album, the rest of the album slaps, I'll be happy. Yeah. Yeah. So you never know. Maybe we'll get a lot of more of those genres in the rest of the album. Right. Yeah. I mean, I again, I'm I'm trying. I am trying to be optimist, radically optimistic, one could say.
00:29:20
Speaker
about this album, I I will support her. I think she's fantastic. I just feel. Yeah, I just for me, the sound is a little too similar to future nostalgia and the songs are a little too stripped back for me personally. Way too similar to future nostalgia, a little too. They play with interesting elements, but they still come off as generic.
00:29:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's the biggest sin for me. It's like the most interesting parts of the songs. They're like, we're going to hold it back a little bit. So it makes me
Beyoncé's Genre Transcendence
00:29:53
Speaker
wonder why.
00:29:55
Speaker
Right. Right. Absolutely. And even in the extended versions, because like I said, I love, so I will say this, I love the extended version for training season. Um, I do not like the extended version for Houdini or illusion thus far. I think that the structurally, it just feels a little like hodgepodgey and I, I just,
00:30:21
Speaker
I think maybe I'm just frustrated because I'm also thinking of feature nostalgia and the extended versions of some of the singles that came out, like the extended version of Don't Start Now that she did. I think they called it the LA Live remix. That was a really, really great extended version. That's what I want, like the added elements, the build ups and the breakdowns that they added to it. Same with the extended version of physical.
00:30:46
Speaker
Which is not on streaming that's only and she made like a workout video style video for it and it's in that and Again, they add all these extra synths to it and things like that. That's the stuff that I love It feels like with these new extended versions are just taking bits and pieces of the instrumental and like adding them in like after the like in the intro and after the chorus or whatever whereas
00:31:10
Speaker
training season does feel like they added some extra elements. I know that Houdini added an extra verse, but that didn't do much for me, unfortunately. Anyway, I'm off my soapbox. Yeah. Yeah. There's not much else to say about it. Um, but you know, what I will say is having a parent as a manager, that usually works out well. It works out wonderfully. We've seen that historically. So we'll, we'll see how it goes and we'll see what happens. Mr. We're frustrated. We're frustrated.
00:31:39
Speaker
We're we just want a little bit more and that's okay. That's we have the everywhere. This is America. You know what? And the last thing too, I'll say about it. Actually, the last thing is that in the music videos in the songs in this era in general, I feel like I feel like it's like it's like setting you up. Like you're going to think it's going to be this big thing, even with like a red hair. I'm like, oh, this is a moment when the pop girls get red hair. It's a moment. We talked about this. Yeah. There is a lack of energy and enthusiasm behind this entire era.
00:32:10
Speaker
I feel that. Yeah. Even though I love her, I'm not saying she doesn't work hard. I'm not saying that. It just feels there's a disconnect.
00:32:16
Speaker
But she loves a vacation. She loves a vacation. And she loves a vacation. Yeah, she loves a vacation, which I mean, she's now showing us that in her music. She's like, you know what? I do love a vacation. I'm going to make an album about it. Yeah, I just want to I just want to see her become really cement herself as a huge pop star. And I feel like she's on her way to doing that. So I felt like this era for her was a really good chance for her to like be like, here it is, you know,
00:32:43
Speaker
Right. So so we'll see. But yeah. And there's always opportunities for, you know, I'm assuming that there will probably be a deluxe version of the album at some point. We may get a remix album at some point. So who knows? Like what's up her sleeve? Do you think it's going to be called radical optimism calling the scraps?
00:33:01
Speaker
The you know what? So you know who did release an EP called Feast on Scraps was Alanis Morissette. She released an album called Feast on Scraps. It was the leftover songs that she recorded for. Gosh, what was that? I want to say it was she recorded it for under rug swept, which had hands clean on it. And yeah, my car wash song. I your car wash song. What do you mean?
00:33:29
Speaker
I feel like I first heard that in a car wash and so like on the radio in the car. So I associate that song with car washing.
00:33:35
Speaker
I love that. That is so funny. Yeah. Also, Alanis Morissette, someone who covered my humps in like 2006 and people, it feels like a fever dream, but you're the only person in my life that would ever remember this, this moment, but she recorded a cover of my humps, a very dramatic cover. If you haven't listened to it, go listen to it. It's awful, but it's also good.
00:34:00
Speaker
She even released a low budget music video with it. It was like in the garage or something, right? It was like in a garage. She was kind of recreating the vibe of the video, but it was like a piano. Like basically like a haunting piano ballad version of my humps. Yeah, that just got lost in the in the sauce. It really like no wonder it's a fever dream. Yeah. And if she had done that today, I think it would have probably gone viral. Right. This is like sort of right before like YouTube really started popping off.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What a moment. What a moment in time. My humps. Piano ballad remix by Alanis Morissette. Top top 10 songs for Zach Rickle. Top 10. One hundred percent. Thunderpuss remix. Thunder. Oh, don't tease me with that. Don't tease me with the Thunderpuss remix. You know whose album, though, that I I when I do take a quick break, quick break from Cowboy Carter.
00:34:54
Speaker
Um, I've been listening to bits and pieces of Tori Kelly's new album. Yeah. And you tell me that. Yeah. Yeah. And I have to say, so I think I initially said to you that like the album is so good and the album, it's not that it's not good, but I would say there's probably half the tracks I really do enjoy and the other half I'm just kind of like, it's okay. Like I'll passively listen to it. I'm not going to actively go out of my way to listen to it.
00:35:18
Speaker
The opening track thing you do, which samples or sorry, interpolates Susan Vega's Tom's diner. Excellent track. Excellent track. And she's currently going viral for doing a live performance on Jimmy Kimmel, where she did some choreo and she like killed the choreo and people are like, where's this been your entire career? Like, you're just now casually dropping the fact that you're like an amazing dancer. Right.
00:35:42
Speaker
Um, but I love that song. I love high water, which is basically her version of You Gotta Be by Desiree. Um, and I love her duet with John Belian, uh, called Young Gun. I've had so many people tell me I look like him. I don't know who that man is. Interesting. You both have a fat ass. So that's true. Oh, one time I was in the Starbucks drive-thru and someone, some girl told me that.
00:36:07
Speaker
Really? Oh my god. You were like, thanks sis. And then drove off. I was like, I don't know who that is. All I know is like, he sings that one song. He's handsome. I don't, I couldn't tell you what song he sings. I know he's low. It's like low, low, low, low, low, low. That's what that one. I don't know that one. Get, you know, get low. Get low by little John. He's a, he's actually little John. I saw this meme about that song too. Not to get up tangent. That was like,
00:36:33
Speaker
It's like shawty got them apple bottom jeans, Reeboks with the straps, boots with the fur. What is this four legged creature in the club? What do you mean? Why does she have this many feet with this many different shoes on? Wait, what? I'm confused. And um, low by Flo Rida. Uh huh.
00:36:50
Speaker
low by flow right of the song. Yeah, he says he says rebucks with the straps and boots with the fur. So someone's like, what is this four legged creature in the club? Oh, my gosh. It's really a centaur. She's a centaur shaking her ass, shaking her ass and going buck wild. She's bucking. I just want to shake my. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
00:37:21
Speaker
You sounded like, what's her name? What is that bitch's name that I... Nicole Scherzinger? No. Because you know Nicole does that like... No, you sounded like...
00:37:39
Speaker
What is that girl? I want to be, I'm not going to be mean here. I don't, I find her so annoying. She hasn't, she's an incredible vocalist. Jin is a big fan of her and he was showing me her vocals. Oh my God. She's amazing. But Jesse Jesse Jack.
00:37:53
Speaker
Jessie J. Yeah. Very underrated vocalists. Go listen to some of her. Oh yeah. No. Oh, I'm blown away by this woman's vocals. Holy shit. I did not know she could do that because I've just heard her in these like horrible songs for so long, you know? Okay. Well, so how dare you speak out, say that about Domino, but whatever.
00:38:11
Speaker
Anyways, um, so back to what I was saying, but you, there's a video of her where she's like, Oh yeah. It's like me when my headphones are dying. That's what you sound like. That's, that's what I try to go for. That's what I try to go for.
00:38:26
Speaker
So I you had brought up American or you said my un-American life earlier. And you earlier today texted me with a theory about that being like a storyline in the visuals. I feel it.
00:38:43
Speaker
I think that you're on to something because you wait, go ahead. Because I was going to say because that there you had that line in I'm that girl. You have America's got a problem, even though the song is just about her getting dicked down. Um, but then you have American Requiem. There's like an American theme and country music, the American theme taking a road trip throughout the entire U.S. of A. Yeah. Yeah. She really kind of takes you there, Texas. Yeah.
00:39:11
Speaker
And you know, what's interesting is I watched the I'm that girl, I rewatched the I'm that girl teaser today. Yeah. Because, you know, that's the only this episode is very scraps theme, but that's the only scraps we got to eat on. Right. So, yeah, I watched it. And what's interesting is and you know this towards the latter half of the music video, it just cuts off and says track one, act one. You know, I'm that girl. So the un-American life part that's blacked out because I think that's going to be some sort of a
00:39:40
Speaker
a mo I think that was a giveaway into some of the transitions or some of the imagery that would have given away the project. Yes. Yeah, well, yes. Well, so I people have been piecing together certain things. And in the door and the amen lyric video, it's the same set of doors that she walks into like it looks like in the on that girl teaser, she's like walking into a house. And then she like walks into
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, they cut it really fast. So it's the same doors in the in the lyric video on the set that you see. And also the Amen video, it is like movie credits, like it's stylized like music music credit. Excuse me.
00:40:26
Speaker
I'm having a stroke on air. It stylized like movie credits. And so people are like, I think it's all about confirm that there is a feature film in the works that is. Yeah, I think for all the visuals are going to come together. And like we talked about, I've heard this on a podcast, I think it was Keep It. They were saying, you know, act one's kind of like this road trip across the United States.
00:40:52
Speaker
you know in in on earth and then you know fucking renaissance takes you to space completely and then there's going to be some sort of a
00:41:02
Speaker
some sort of like rebirth or something happening in act three. I'm not sure what that's going to look like. Right. Yeah.
Genre Appropriation and Racial Bias
00:41:08
Speaker
But I mean, she's intentional with everything she does. We've talked about this. Everyone knows this to the last detail. But I really feel like it's going to be epic. Do you really think it's going to be rock? I'm really nervous. It's not going to be rock. And I need it to be rock like I need it to be like like rock. I think I think it's going to be rock. Why if she's reclaiming genres, why would she what else would she do?
00:41:31
Speaker
Right. There are some people who are speculating that it's going to be R&B. There's some people are speculating that it could be gospel. But here's the thing. Those aren't necessarily whitewashed. Those are still predominantly black audiences. So for me, that wouldn't make sense to reclaim that. Rock is one that has been completely whitewashed.
00:41:52
Speaker
Yeah, I need it to be rock and I need it to be like I think it's going to be rock. Yeah, like I need it to be just like give me the black hat. Did you see? Did you see that the track times for Taylor Swift's album came out today and just like the track lengths? No, I didn't. There are two five minute songs on there. One is five minutes and 40 seconds. There are all the songs I believe are over three minutes except for one. There's one two and a half minute song.
00:42:22
Speaker
That feels right in her singer songwriter. I feel it feels correct. And also there's a song and there that is four minutes and 53 seconds. And you know how I love a song that is like four minutes and 45 seconds. So like it's like dancing right on that. And I love that. So I got really excited. So but I'm not quite feeling excited for it. I got to be honest, but I'm I'm definitely looking forward to hearing it.
00:42:48
Speaker
I am trying to reserve all judgment. I just really. Yeah, I just say I'm just burnt out. Yeah, I just I just hope that it's a fresh sound for her. And it's not going to be. It's not going to be. Well, we don't know that we have. We have not heard anything. Mark my words. OK, maybe your watch it. Watch it be like this, like dubstep. Crazy dubstep. She's bringing you back 2012. Watch it be like Jamaican like trap.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah. Jamaican Trap. She has she has she has Bumbleclat on there. Bumbleclat. That's one of the songs. Yeah. The tracklist that we have is actually all fake and it's just really all. Yeah.
00:43:32
Speaker
She said she's like, I'll appropriate Beyonce is reclaiming all appropriate. I have to say there's a lot of conversation on Twitter right now about a lot of fans wanting Beyonce to go back to R&B, quote unquote. And a lot of people are saying like Beyonce would not be Beyonce if she stuck to the R&B music that you wanted from her from her first two albums. And I have to say, I completely agree. And we so we still get the flavors of that all over every album.
00:44:02
Speaker
And why are, okay, this is what I don't understand. I do not get this and this is not strictly on Beyonce because I remember people having conversations like this on Taylor Swift as well when she switched her sound from country to pop. I don't understand where all of a sudden people are so scared of artists genre shifting or like blending genres or experimenting with genres. This feels like new over the last maybe 10 years to me.
00:44:28
Speaker
Because I mean, again, and maybe this is me just growing up and idolizing Madonna, who every album for like, 12 years, like, truly, don't you dare, don't you dare. That's what I get for for shading, Mr. Parker in front of you. Um, but when Madonna comes out with, you know, all these different sounding albums, you know, from the like,
00:44:54
Speaker
hip hop vibe house vibe of erotica to the R&B of bedtime stories to the adult contemporary of something to remember to you know, the electronica of ray of light to the folktronica of music and, and so on and so forth. Like they're all just very different sounding and no one no one was like she shouldn't do this. You know,
00:45:17
Speaker
Well, I think Jesse said it best on the episode I was gone. He was saying like, we want you to change your sound, but we also want you to stay the same. But we also want you to not sound the same, but we want you to reinvent yourself. Like it's like this contradictory thing. And it's so true. They're never happy. But I do. I mean, I am seeing a lot of.
00:45:37
Speaker
at least from Beyonce fans, I'm seeing a lot of love for this album as a whole. I am, too, for sure. But I'm also but I am seeing a lot of people also like say like I wish that she would go back to R&B. And to be fair, these are like fans. And so.
00:45:53
Speaker
To be fair, it's understandable a little bit too, because like, you know, we were scared. We heard that this is going to be a country album. We were like, I don't know if I want the, you know, but again, with her, it doesn't matter what genre it's going to be an amazing experience and amazing music. Yeah. And she's still giving you R and B. I mean, two hands seven is my favorite song. That's an R and B song. You know, like there's, she's still giving you that, but.
00:46:15
Speaker
Beyonce has always been, I mean, to me, like I know she's been R&B, but like in my brain, like it's always been a lot of pop too. So it's not just been R&B. And like you said, she wouldn't be Beyonce without experimenting with different sounds because you do have to as a pop artist, as a legend, you do have to
00:46:37
Speaker
continuously reinvent yourself. And it doesn't have to be like, extreme changes. You don't have to like, chop your hair and change your name and you know, be crazy. But you don't have to be like Jojo Siwa doesn't have to be that extreme. Jojo Siwa, you know, it doesn't have to be that extreme. But at the end of the day, you should be pushing yourself creatively.
00:46:57
Speaker
trying things for the sake of expanding your art and your creativity and getting curious and playing around with things. Like it would be really boring if people stuck to the same shit over and over and over again. You can still stay true to who you are and do things, you know. And as a creative person doing the same thing over and over again does get really boring. What artists would do that?
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah. So for these artists, like what you want them to do over and over and over again, because if they did do it over and over again, then you'd say like, this is too repetitive. Yeah. And here's the thing. This is no shade to you know me. I love R&B music. It's it's top two genres for me, you know, pop and R&B. But there is a lot of R&B singers who've had a lot of success, but they don't have the longevity that Beyonce has.
00:47:46
Speaker
Right. I'm thinking of some girls right now. OK, I'm thinking of some girls. There's plenty of girls who have number one songs who have name name. I don't want to because I love them and enjoy them, but they don't really reinvent their sound too much. And that's OK. But I'm saying, like, if you're Beyonce, your Beyonce is a is a whole nother world of her own. You know, she's she's made a name for herself. She's a top number one to your artist of all time. Like,
00:48:15
Speaker
Well, I also think too specifically towards black people and black women specifically, like we, people really do try to put them in a box and keep them there. And it's really frustrating because like, I remember thinking, okay, when I was a kid and I would go to the CD stores and I would go through the sections of music, like they were, everything would be sectioned off by genres, right? And then you'd have all the, then be alphabetical by artist.
00:48:43
Speaker
Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson were always in R&B. Always. Oh, my God. I know where this is going. And I already agree with all of your points. I hate I hate this. Yeah. And I was like, but what is Michael Jackson known for? What is his title that people get? King of Pop. King of. Also Janet dominating pop.
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, so why are we putting them in the art? You're 100% right. It's because they're black. You're 100% right. They're labeled as R&B off the bat, even if it's like a pop album. That's happened so many times. Think about like on iTunes or Apple Music, where this I'm like, this is a pop album, but you're just saying this is like
00:49:21
Speaker
B-Day has a lot of pop songs on it. Yeah, right. A lot of pop bangers, but like it doesn't matter. They're like, oh, no, this is R&B only. Yeah. What? Right. Right. It's just it's it's truly you're so you're so right. That is that's something I've never spoken into words, but I've always thought I've been like, that's weird.
00:49:40
Speaker
Yeah, and it's so weird. And then you'd see someone like I'll use Justin Timberlake for as an example, like he's always put in pop when a lot of his music is R&B. And so he also does pop music as well. Right. And they even named that like, I mean, like Robin Thicke, like they call it like blue eyed soul. You know, like just let's let's stop like gatekeeping people to one genre of music based off of their skin color. That's just weird. Why are we doing that?
00:50:05
Speaker
It's so fucked up, but like two, it's just it's so strange. And then I just also like and I think of Janet Jackson. She's another person coming up who coming up. She's a new artist. She's she's have you heard of her? She's kind of indie. She's kind of indie. She's kind of new. No, not many people know about her. No, but when she was,
Single Releases and Genre Fluidity
00:50:25
Speaker
you know, in her main peak, you know, in the 90s and early 2000s,
00:50:32
Speaker
I mean, you listen to her albums and you have a slew of genres as well. You have, you know, on All 4 You, you've got Come On Get Up, which you mentioned last episode, which is All 4 You is a pop album.
00:50:43
Speaker
It is 100% a pop album. I would say it's like her teen pop album. I was like her like, I'm trying to get in with kids. It's our favorite era of music. Yeah. For me, it's my favorite, my favorite album of hers for that reason. But Come On Get Up is like the definition of a pop song, right? Like that is a pop, you know, house inspired. You also have a song, Trust a Try on that same album, which is a very experimental like blend of hip hop and rock.
00:51:09
Speaker
It's very rock. Yeah. Yeah. And then you also have, but then you have like the velvet rope album, which has a song like free zone, which is like that experimental electronica girl. The velvet rope is also in a world of its own though. That is like that doubt.
00:51:24
Speaker
And that's your favorite era of music. Like you've said this millions of times, but yeah, that's really like the reinvention era for a lot of artists. You know what I mean? Like they really were experimenting with some cool stuff. Yeah. And granted we were kids at back then, so maybe we weren't paying that much attention to the discourse. Also social media wasn't around, but I don't recall people being like, oh my gosh, she released a rock song. How dare she? Like people didn't say that about Black Cat, you know, like I think there probably was people, racist people.
00:51:54
Speaker
racist people, but but but again, it's not just coming from like white people like this. A lot of the the the Beyonce stuff is coming from within the beehive. Well, they and they because they know her for that and they want her to be. There's always going to be that that group of folks, you know what I mean? That that want their artists to say the same. Yeah. And it's kind of like growing pains like you know, I love Lana Del Rey. I think she's a good example of like she has mostly amazing albums or some things that didn't work out. But she is like
00:52:25
Speaker
Experimenting and sometimes it's growing pains. Like when did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Boulevard? I hate how long these titles are came out. I was like, I don't know that I like this, but I gave it more lessons and I'm like, oh, this is actually amazing. Do you know what I mean? And there were so many cool experimental moments and just like, yeah, it does not sound like Born to Die, which we love her for. But that's kind of the point. Like you're evolving, you know, and I think that happens with a lot of artists nowadays for sure.
00:52:53
Speaker
100% and I again too I don't just see it with black artists like I remember a lot of this type of conversation happening with Taylor Swift when she moved into pop specifically when reputation came out granted obviously that was like during an era of hers where she was like
00:53:07
Speaker
It was very cool to hate on her. But I remember specifically having a conversation with someone was like, why doesn't she just stick in her state, go back to country? That's like or whatever. And I was just like, why can like, why does she have to do one genre of music? Like, why can't she experiment? What if Robin stayed in like teen pop R&B her whole career? We've got so many fucking cool songs.
00:53:33
Speaker
Right. Well, the thing is, too, is that like that's that's kind of the one thing I know that people and I and I too love, you know, the folklore, evermore music. Well, I don't know if I would say love. I like a lot of the songs. I love those albums. But my my my critique for to a lot of people was, well, I don't know if it's a critique, but I was like, I feel like people like these because again, it's it was her kind of
00:53:57
Speaker
in a way, going back to her roots, quote unquote, like it wasn't like the country teen pop that she but it's like in that realm. It's like folksy and it's back back in her lane, if you will, just more mature. And so that's what that's saying. Yeah.
00:54:15
Speaker
So I don't know if I agree with that, but yeah, I mean, I I really like those albums. But yeah, as it's I mean, she's definitely gone. I think she's influenced by the singer songwriter, a girl is like I know Lana Del Rey has been a huge influence on her. Yeah. And I feel like I do feel like maybe that's who she is to her core and who she's grown into as a woman. Like she likes that style of music. And so I'm happy she's found something that feels correct for her. You know, and I do think maybe that is that that singer songwriter.
00:54:45
Speaker
kind of moment for her, especially right now. So I feel like we're going to hear a lot of that on the Tortured Poets Department. But I mean, is Taylor going to give us hands on your knees Angelina Jolie, hands on your knees Angelina Jolie? Absolutely not. We will find out. There's only one way to find out why, though, because she's just not that girl. We will find out. I yeah, I have I have low expectations, but I'm excited. I'm excited.
00:55:14
Speaker
You know what? You know what I thought I had the other day? Very random. What? But it is music related. Remember Bongos? Oh, my God. Cardi. Remember Bongos? Remember that collab that was going to be this huge WAP part two that went absolutely nowhere? Nowhere. Nowhere fast. Nowhere fast. I loved that song. I actually really I actually played that quite a bit. I would call that a pop song, a pop rap song.
00:55:44
Speaker
But it also didn't like it just it didn't really have a chorus. It was pretty horrible, I thought. I didn't. I completely disagree. I did not think it was horrible at all. That was really fun. Pussy tight, just like a nun. Yeah. Eat my ass like a plum. I mean, Jeff, this is it's called poetry. Look it up.
00:56:03
Speaker
It's called poetry. You should Google it. You should. It's called Tortured Poets Department. Thank you very much. I think I think Cardi B and Megan Thessalian are in the Tortured Poets Department. They really are. And but yeah, no, I mean, it's it's it certainly was no WAP. And it's you know, it's interesting, too, with Cardi, like she's had a lot of hits over the years, but it's fascinating to me that she's only had one album.
00:56:29
Speaker
And now she's like releasing all of these singles. I feel like every other week, at least recently, she's been releasing all these singles. And I'm just kind of like, what are you doing? Like you are basically and she had like two huge, like up and wop were both smash singles. You'd think that an album would have come out. Money. Money was pretty decent. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. You're right. Was that Money Not On? I got bails in the coop. Right. Isn't that it?
00:56:56
Speaker
Mm hmm. Was it not? Was that not an invasion of privacy? No, that was after. Wow. So, yeah, like I just, you know, I mean, I guess that's common in the rap world, though, I feel like I get a lot of singles and you just get a lot of you know, who's the king of just to releasing too much music is Drake. I am talk about oversaturated. I would consider myself at one point to be a Drake fan. I don't know if I am anymore.
00:57:21
Speaker
Yeah, I like him online. He's funny. I love like watching his Instagram posts and stuff like he cracks me up, but I feel like similar to Taylor Swift. It's like it's too much. We don't need five albums a year every year that it's just too much. You need to take some time to
00:57:39
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Yeah, your creative juices need to, you know, get to a place where you have a I don't know, fix the cadence because it's too much. Fix the cadence. Fix the cadence. That's
Underrated Artists and Personal Struggles
00:57:51
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why I feel about Taylor, too. I'm like, it's too much. I'm oversaturated. Yeah. I mean, she, you know, I do appreciate I have to give both of them any artist that is giving their fans music. Like I think that part of me is jealous. Like I wish
00:58:05
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Beyonce gave me gave us a little bit more. It's me because I want the visuals. It wouldn't be a special. It's like think about it. That's true. It's like Christmas. It's like Christmas every day. The reason Christmas is special is because it's once a year. True. Yep. And I mean, and that that's straight from Gandhi. I believe you said that Gandhi did say that he said he said Ariana Gandhi.
00:58:28
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Ariana Grande's next album is world music. Girl, I'll take anything at this point. I would love that actually. I'll take anything apart from what she's doing. Yeah. Sorry. I'm going to get eaten up for this whole episode. Jeff hates. I don't hate Ariana Grande. I don't hate her. We're going to get canceled because between you and I, I just hate it on Kevin Parker.
00:58:53
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So yeah, which you're entitled to your wrong opinion. No, but it sounds like we're going to get probably a deluxe version of Eternal Sunshine. She said that there's more to come. So I'm so happy for the Ariana fans. I really am. Yeah. Shout out to you. I had fun.
00:59:11
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Yeah, shout out to you. Shout out to you. So you know, it's funny to Twitter is truly exhausting. I love it. But at the same time, it can get so annoying. But a lot of people are already starting to speculate like who's gonna be nominated for album of the year next year at the Grammys. Right. It's gonna be exhausting.
00:59:28
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And it really is. And but like it's a lot of people are like, obviously, Ariana is going to win. And I was like, do you? I cannot have you heard cowboy Carter? I'm sorry. That's the thing, Jeff. I'm already in my head thinking if cowboy Carter does not get album of the year at the Grammys next year, I will light myself on fire. Don't threaten me with a good time.
00:59:52
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I'm just saying like I can you imagine Eternal Sunshine winning album of the year over. I just Carter.
01:00:00
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They would they just do it on purpose at that point because that album is a masterpiece. I'm sorry. Yeah. Objectively, objectively, even if you don't like it objectively, this is art. Yeah, there's not many artists. Do you know what I mean? We call it that. We call it that all the time. It's like a common word, right? Like artists. You see that. But yeah, there's really not many. And if it doesn't win, I mean, again, I'm already exhausted thinking about that. I'm.
01:00:27
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I'm annoyed. I'm also thinking like what if Taylor Swift wins again? Just call the Grammys the circus. The circus. Britney Spears circus. Because the clowns are in town. Do you know what I mean? We don't need that to happen. Right. What's the Monique quote that you always like to say?
01:00:53
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When you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite. That's right. Which, you know, maybe is what we need for the rock album. But I mean, who knows? I. Yeah. Well, this really was a chaotic episode. I love that. I love when it really went in a thousand directions, mostly cut the cowboy carter direction. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the only direction at this moment in time. Yeah. But that all being said,
01:01:24
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with everyone we just mentioned, do you have a song that we don't talk about enough this week? I do. There is an artist that we briefly mentioned in this episode who released an EP called Feast for Scraps. Feast of Scraps or Feast for Scraps?
01:01:41
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Alanis Morissette on her album, Flavors of Entanglement, which is arguably my personal favorite Alanis Morissette album produced by Guy Sigsworth, famous for producing songs like songs with Image and Heap as part of Froo Froo. He also has produced songs from Madonna. He produced every time by Britney Spears.
01:02:06
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Anyway, he worked with her on this album, and there's a song called Straight Jacket that is an absolute banger. It is like an electro clash dance song. It's basically, you know, Alanis Morissette got a lot of
01:02:23
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She was known for being, quote unquote, angry during Jack, a little pill, which is kind of funny because I feel like a little while it's definitely angsty and has its moments, obviously, with like, you ought to know, like, I feel like the album as a whole doesn't sound all that angry. But but I feel like a lot of people that's the most angsty song for sure.
01:02:41
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Yeah, and I feel like a lot of people have been wanting that back from her for quite some time. So when she released this album, and she had this song in particular, I was like, why aren't people going crazy for this? It was so it's so good. The chorus starts off by this shit's making me crazy. And it's just like this. It's an absolute banger holds up very well. A lot of songs from like the 2008 2009 era don't necessarily hold up.
01:03:10
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Um, and this song I think holds up very, very well. That whole album is spectacular. I'd love to visit it as a whole on the podcast sometime, but that is my song that we don't talk about enough. You are the biggest Alanis Morissette fan I know.
01:03:23
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I love her. I think she's fantastic. I really loved her when I was younger. I got I got Jagged Little Pillow as a CD for my sixth grade birthday. Oh, I love that album. Yeah, loved it. So good. She's an underrated. In my opinion, she's an underrated songwriter and an underrated singer. I would agree with that. I think she's she's not my cup of tea now, but she's a huge part of the 90s. She's a huge, huge part of that decade. You can't skip over her. Yeah.
01:03:52
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I have a song because I've been coming across a lot of funny Azalea Banks tweets lately that I've been sending you. There was one about her talking about the two different types of white men. One was like a fat pus filled blistering pork red sausage juice dripping inflamed
01:04:12
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like fat ugly racist white man. And then another one was like beautiful white men whose lips taste like cotton candy and whose hair is like marshmallows or something. I told you this, I want to not like her so bad because she is so problematic and there's so many things about her, her attitude. I don't know what's going on with her, but
01:04:33
Speaker
Yeah, she's very unlikable, but she just continually wins me over. And I have to say, like, I think I'm a fan, you know, and I, I don't want to be, but I am. And I was in the car the other day and I had my phone. I took a moment away from Cowboy Carter for once and I was listening to, you know, my shuffle on my phone, which I do.
01:04:58
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And I hadn't heard the song in a long time. It's it's along the coast on sleazy. Do you know this? I don't even know the song. Oh, my God. I discovered this on SoundCloud like 10 years ago when I was studying for an exam. Yeah. Because I was I had just discovered who and I always butcher his name. So I apologize. But is it Kate or Nada? I think it is Kate or Nada. Yep.
01:05:21
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I always really liked him. I've always loved his sound event. Again, very like Tamapala, like psychedelic, funky vibes. Love that style of music. So, you know, he had a big influence on me, especially like 10 years ago. I was just obsessed with him and he produced
01:05:36
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This song, I don't know if he, I'm looking right now. I don't know if he produced any other songs on the album, but this has him written all over it. It's very, his sound from 10 years ago. Okay. This song is so fun. You really need to listen to it. It's like, it's like kind of like psychedelic funky, like wave song of the album. Okay. It's, it's called along the coast.
01:05:57
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along the coast. I love her vocals on it. I love the chorus. I love the bridge. I love the verse. I just love the structure of the song. It's so groovy. And it's my favorite song of hers. OK, I'll have to check this out. It's a really underrated song. It wasn't on Apple Music for a long time because I think Slay Z was I don't know if it was an album or I'm looking right now. I think it was a mixtape. I think it was a mixtape too. I remember it being on SoundCloud. That was the only place I could get it. Now you can you can find it on streaming.
01:06:27
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OK, so it is really a shame. She is a such a talented musician, a great singer and rapper. It is so funny and and really funny and she's and I have to give her credit to she's a very intelligent person. I love watching her interviews. I don't I don't know a quicker person. Someone that like you say something. She has a rebuttal for it. She has a quip. It is like
01:06:55
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It's incredible. It's almost like next level savant, you know, in terms of like her quickness and she's truly just so creative and talented. Yeah, it is just unfortunate that I don't know if it's an unchecked mental health situation or what it is or just like her all of a sudden I'm a smoker.
Musician Behavior and Mental Health
01:07:13
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01:07:17
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I just don't understand like where the mean spirit in this comes from. And like, like right now her and Dochy had like a hat. She was like ripping on Dochy. And then it's always somebody. Yeah. And Dochy just like really kind of let her have it. And I was like, oh, wow. I was like, good for her. Good for her for like standing up for herself. I'm not I'm not a therapist. I have enough mental health in my family and myself and just kind of being around certain things.
01:07:43
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I feel like she's got something, whether it's borderline or BPD, bipolar, I don't know. But there's definitely something there because when you're that successful and creative and talented and you're producing fucking bangers regularly, she's got some great music.
01:08:02
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It gives off insecure vibes to be that upset and pick fights with everyone all the time. So I do feel like there's something more there. So that's all I'll say on it. You know, I mean, I I just I love a lot of her music and I just think she's so talented. You know, that just reminded me of two when when Wendy Williams was going through all of her beefs.
01:08:22
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on the screen. There's so many iconic moments in there. She's like RZA and SZA. And then she goes, and then in true Wendy Williams fashion, she's like reading Elon Musk's name. And she goes, Ellen Musk. And so you and I always say Ellen Musk to each other. I only refer to him as Ellen Musk. There's no Elon. Also, I want to know what that beef was about. I need to know it as well. Grimes too. I'm pretty sure Grimes, right? She's been Lana Del Rey, literally everyone.
01:08:51
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every person in the world, which is kind of funny.
Creative Tweets and Podcast Wrap-Up
01:08:56
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You know what, though? I hope that she finds this podcast, hears us talking about her, and then rips us to shreds. That would be kind of amazing. Actually, that's what we'll do. We'll make this the sound bite. Can I read this one? This is my favorite tweet of hers. Can I just read it? Yeah. I shared it with you.
01:09:17
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It's talking about Iggy Azalea. She's had a lot of funny things to say about that.
01:09:24
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It's just incredible. Some of the things she's written about this woman, it's like thesis level. Like, I don't know. It's amazing, but this one is definitely by far my favorite. So, and for the fans out there, they'll know it says Iggy Azalea is like my albino child. I randomly gave birth to in prehistoric African village during Pangea. My early human brain thought she was demonic because of her albinism. So I wrapped her in a Malanga leaf and left her in a cave mouse away from the village.
01:09:53
Speaker
Wait, Azalea Banks wrote this. I think that you sent this to me. Azalea Banks wrote that. Oh, my God. She's wild. She's wild. I. It's got to be my favorite tweet now. It's that I mean, the amount of creativity in that alone. That's that's I don't know a better tweet. I really don't. I don't know a better tweet.
01:10:24
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. Go stream sleazy and go listen to along the coast because. OK, I will. It's it's a gem. It's a gem. It's a gem. A gem. A gem. Well, on that note, thanks for writing with us, everyone. We will see you. You know what? Our twenty fifth episode's coming up. Jeff, you and I should plan something really fun for that. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. All right. Yeah. Peace out. Have a good night and day or morning or whatever it is. Whatever it is for you.
01:10:52
Speaker
Yeah, bye bye.