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The Sabrina Carpenter Episode
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On this week’s episode, we talk all things carpentry as we react to Sabrina Carpenter’s brand new studio album, “Short ’N’ Sweet.” In true Pop Theory fashion, we cover it track-by-track talking about our favorite lyrics, production moments and overall which ones hit and which ones miss. We may even have a confession from Zach about his take on the album!
But before we get into our carpentry era, we begin the episode by answering some of the questions from the listeners of the pod. We dive into topics like what were the first pieces of music that we purchased with our own money, our favorite R&B songs, our thoughts on lesbian culture in pop music and more. SPECIAL THANKS to all the listeners who took the time to submit their questions!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Milestone
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back to Pop Theory, everybody. It's Zach and Jeff. Hey, what's going on? Just living living the dream. um We had, well, we we will save the review for the latter part of the episode, but there was an album that came out.
00:00:18
Speaker
We've got some conversation to have. But we just celebrated 40 episodes of our podcast. And so I thought maybe it might be fun to answer some questions from the listeners, the users, the fans. So we can just kind of go right into it.
Favorite Pop Stars Over 40
00:00:35
Speaker
So first of all, a friend of the pod, Jesse Chambliss, sent in a question. And I thought that this one was really interesting but and very specific, but very fun.
00:00:44
Speaker
It's who are your favorite pop stars over 41 excluding Madonna, Beyonce and Janet. I mean, my favorite singer is Mariah Carey, so that's a no brainer. Mariah is definitely there. I would say I'm trying to think Tina Turner. I love Tina Turner. I love Cher.
00:01:04
Speaker
Um, I'm trying to think of anyone else over 40. Oh, uh, Brittany and Christina and Kylie. So, I mean, pretty much all, all of our names, pretty much all of our faves. Um, this one is from Camille, another friend of the pod, Camille
R&B Song Favorites
00:01:22
Speaker
Adams. Uh, what are some of your favorite R and B songs?
00:01:26
Speaker
Oh, I mean, that's one of my favorite genres of music. So there's there's so many. I think that's the way love goes. One of the best R and&B songs of all time. I think Rock the Vote by Aaliyah, which is fitting because she just we just celebrated, you know, her life recently because she had passed away, I believe, on August 25th, 2001. So there's been a lot of conversation around her, but she has some amazing R and&B songs.
00:01:53
Speaker
more than a woman, you know that really that whole album is just an incredible R and&B masterpiece that has inspired so many artists. so Absolutely.
Band Tees Trend Discussion
00:02:02
Speaker
There was actually a funny like Instagram reel that I saw of this teacher in class and he saw that one of his students had an Aaliyah shirt on and he was like, name an Aaliyah song.
00:02:14
Speaker
And he was like, you've got one in a million shot. You've got one in a million shot. And he was like, don't rock the boat. Don't rock the boat. Don't rock the boat. Because you know what it is. It's become trendy. And maybe it's not now. I think it's always been trendy to wear band tees, but it is funny because we're officially at that age now where I'm seeing people wear band tees where they don't know the artist. Yeah.
00:02:36
Speaker
Yeah, know where was before I'd be like you were the Ramones. It's like, yeah, I didn't listen to the Ramones, but I was born in the 90s. You know, so it's like now we're seeing people wear Aliyah shirts and these kids don't know an Aliyah song.
00:02:49
Speaker
couldn't name it an Aaliyah song to save their life. yeah he would He was like, pretty crazy we need a resolution. We need a resolution with this. It is wild. I mean, it makes me think of my parents when they would see, you know, kids with the band T's and they'd be like, name Ramones, for example. He'd be like, name
90s Music Influence
00:03:05
Speaker
a Ramone song or, you know, Aerosmith. My dad loved Aerosmith. Name five of their albums. Yeah. Yeah. I i couldn't tell you a single Ramone song, I don't think.
00:03:13
Speaker
i i've I mean, I've been seeing that for a while, I guess, too, because i I feel like Nirvana and Sublime both became really trendy in the last 10 years, maybe because of Tumblr. But those are two of my favorite bands and artists um yeah to this day, which is left field for this podcast. But huge, huge part of my music journey are those two artists. And it's so funny because I don't think I have one friend that could name a song other than like Smells Like Teen Spirit.
00:03:42
Speaker
rate me. Yeah, that's the only one you know. The other one. And then um wasn't there a song that starts with an L was it lithium? Yeah, good job. That was that was a hit. Yeah. um And then with Sublime, they had a song that was on rotation on MTV a lot in 1997. That's kind of like the year that I obviously got really into music, as we've talked about before. And I don't remember what the song was. Probably Santa Ria or what I got. What I got. It was what I got. Yeah, classic. Yeah. Yeah. So and I think because the lead singer passed away, right?
00:04:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then so I think it was around that time because i I don't remember if he was actually in the video or if he passed away in the 90s for sure. Because that I want to say that second album came out in 96. Okay, so it might have been that year that he passed away. Yeah, maybe he was good friends with Gwen Stefani. Did you know that?
00:04:41
Speaker
I did not know that, but that makes sense considering. Oh, wow. Okay. The more you know, the more you know. Cause she grew up in that like early nineties ska. Like that's the genre of music, which absolutely, which is weird because I feel I love sublime, but the rest of the ska music is nails on a chalkboard to my ears. Like it does not sound good. So it's interesting. I gravitate towards them, but not really a lot of the other ska music, but she was like, ah she was big in that culture in the early nineties before she kind of popped off.
00:05:10
Speaker
but Well, that's no when she popped off. Yeah, with no doubt because no doubt had some early singles that are forgotten about like early 90s. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Would you say that like is tragic kingdom? Did they start moving away from the SCA sound?
00:05:26
Speaker
There's still some Scott in that. I think, I think well within their 90s records, but it's definitely got less and less. Like I think what, what is the, there's, there's a song by them. I think it's called trapped trapped in a box. I think that's what was a single from like 1992. I want to say, yeah. Like you can go listen to that. Like that's Scott, you know, that's, that's what it sounds like. Yeah. Not good. Okay. Well, incredible.
00:05:53
Speaker
um I'm trying to think of my favorite R and&B songs. i i I mean, I think you and I both agree on this one is The Roof by Mariah Carey. One of the best songs just really ever. Any Mariah Carey song is my favorite R and&B song.
00:06:08
Speaker
right? Yeah, I also love um and and Camille you will appreciate this. If you're listening, um the song Chinese in parentheses home by Brandy featuring Timbaland, which is an unreleased song, and potentially could go on my list of 100 favorite songs of all time. Like it is truly a masterpiece in my opinion. And it is truly a shame that it didn't get officially released. I don't remember the story behind the song. I don't know if it's an unreleased song from her Human album or if it's like from a like maybe a Timbaland project or something, but Anyway, it never and it leaked online. So it never got officially released um But I would say whoever is handling that song should put it out because it's great
00:06:52
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, Brandy's entire discography, but yeah, all of these, these are all my favorite artists. So it's like, I know it's hard to pick a song because all of these songs are, a lot of them are R and D songs. So yeah I think breakdown by Mariah Carey is when you just have to throw out there too. I think that's, I think that.
00:07:09
Speaker
It's one of my favorite melodies of a song ever. Yeah, it's it the melody is so perfect and the structure of the song is just absolutely incredible. Yeah. So I feel like that's one of the best R and&B jams, but anything from Janet, like I said, that's the way love goes is one of the best R&B songs of all time. I think anything from Brandy, anything from Mariah, anything from Tony Braxton, you know, I mean, yes. Oh, oh. um One of my favorite Tony Braxton songs is Let It Flow. I love that song so much. And I love her vocal affectations. She makes me laugh sometimes with the way she sings. I mean, she's super talented. But anything by her. And let's not forget the heat. Let's not forget the heat. Love the heat. Heat. Anybody wants some ice cream. Yeah. That's my favorite song by her, I think. Yeah.
00:08:03
Speaker
but But would you consider just another girlfriend by Robin to be an R and&B song? Ooh, absolutely. I would say early Robin, there was a lot of R and&B in there. A lot. I was going to say Bumpy Ride would be another one.
00:08:17
Speaker
um yeah There's some funny moments on there. You're like, oh, wow, this sounds a nothing like her. She's completely different. Robin is here. it Robin is here with the song.
00:08:28
Speaker
Robin is here, the side right Robin is here now. Oh my gosh. See, totally R&B. Totally R and&B. Talking about girls girls and guys in the summer. ah Totally R and&B. um Okay, so this is from a username. So
Least Favorite Eras of Iconic Artists
00:08:43
Speaker
this is where I'm going to start going to some usernames where I apologize in advance if I butcher this. But this is at joe da.co, Jodeco. For Zach, least favorite slash worst Madonna era. And for Jeff, least favorite slash worst Mariah era.
00:09:02
Speaker
fun fun I'll let you take the reins first. I have to say, so I love my Madonna. So that's really hard for me to sit there and say, what is her worst era or released favorite? But here's what I'm going to say, and this might be controversial and people might be like, whatever, but here's the thing.
00:09:24
Speaker
I am not a huge fan of her first two albums. I ah appreciate them for what they were and obviously made her the star as to what she is. But I personally never revisit like a virgin. um who I and so I'm going to go ahead and say maybe that's my least favorite, just because it's it's, you know, kind of in that context of like, you know, we talk about songs that just are played to death, like,
00:09:50
Speaker
I hear you know anytime I go to a bar or like any sort of 80s night you're gonna hear like a virgin you're gonna hear material girl you're gonna hear dressing up right. um And so um that is why it's probably my least favorite plus also I just feel like but like once we got to the 90s Madonna really just got That's when she truly started getting experimental. I mean, she was shape-shifting with each album. Yeah. That makes sense because if she hadn't really come into her own person yet, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm going to say. That's fair. I thought you were going to say something. I thought you were going to say a more recent album. So that's interesting.
00:10:27
Speaker
i Yeah, as a huge fan of Mariah, there are albums of hers I don't really enjoy. um Number one, I would say, like I have ranked my Mariah albums several times now. I feel pretty confident in the ranking. hu Coming in last is Me, I Am Mariah, the list of Sean Seuss. Oh, sorry to this woman. Yeah, iconic album title.
00:10:49
Speaker
It's really funny, but and it doesn't mean there's not some songs I don't like because there are like, yeah, a few. But all in all, definitely her worst album, in my opinion, I just don't find it interesting. It it feels generic in so many ways, like with a lot of the production, even like a lot of the lyrics and a lot of the songs do as well. And, you know, that's what she's known for is like being a great lyricist. Yeah, there are some good moments, but like I like meteorite.
00:11:20
Speaker
But. Yeah, and and it just was like a lot of features that were kind of bland and like didn't hit. um right just It's just not my favorite album. So I would say that's probably my least favorite era and project of hers. I think caution was a huge step up after that. Love. Yeah. Yeah. um Let's see. This is from at Danner's 1988.
Becoming Fans of Kylie Minogue
00:11:47
Speaker
What was your gateway into Kylie? When did you become a fan?
00:11:53
Speaker
Yes. I mean, I'll go first on that one. So I, I've always been a fan of like her hits. Like I've, as a kid, I loved listening to the songs on fever. I didn't have that album, but some of the songs, like I had, ah I remember can't get you out of my head. It was on one of my like compilation CDs. Oh yeah.
00:12:11
Speaker
I did almost, I remember as a kid and being at Best Buy with my dad and I almost bought her album, um Fever, and because that's that's the era of music, like obviously I love. So, ah you know, I'm talking about myself in that era. And I remember my dad saying like, yeah, she's like really big in Australia. Like she's, you know, a really big artist. I was like, Oh, and it was, it was just me kind of like learning about her through can't get you out of my head. So.
00:12:35
Speaker
That's kind of the gateway, but really I didn't become a fan until recently. I mean, I didn't become a fan of Kelly's music until the last like two years. And I would say you definitely pushed me to really dive into their discography. I think I put it off for so long because it's so massive that it's overwhelming. And I really, I really needed a time where I didn't have a lot going on to do that. Yeah.
00:12:59
Speaker
It also took me a while. There's something about her voice and the tone of her voice that just took me a while to come around to. Yeah. So it wasn't it wasn't like love at first. Listen, it wasn't love at first sight. Oh, pun intended. But.
00:13:14
Speaker
I absolutely love her music now and I'm a big fan now. My gateway is similar to yours. I will say I was a member of a Madonna, Madonna chat room like forum thing on on the Internet. I want to I'm trying to remember what it was called. men It might have just been called Madonna talk, but T-A-W-K. But I don't remember the name of it, but I remember there being a lot of chatter. That's my that's my 13th reason, by the way. and Oh, my gosh. And they there was a lot of chatter about Kylie Minogue with the light years album specifically. um And so I remember being kind of introduced to her with that album. But and then I remember seeing it at like the Virgin Magastore in Chicago because I used to love to go to the Virgin Magastore because it would be all these imported CDs that were that like so sold anywhere else in the US. s um And I remember seeing it, but I never purchased it.
00:14:10
Speaker
um But then I remember getting kind of reintroduced to her with Can't Get You Out of My Head and the Fever album. And then that's when I kind of got jolted into the Kylie standom and then I never looked back. So. Yeah. Yeah. you Because you had I mean, you even showed me like a playlist or like these are the songs you have to listen to. Yeah. Like some of the some of the deep cuts. Yeah. Because you you were really helped me get into her. But yeah I still I still think even to this day Fever is one of her best albums, if like definitely top three for me.
00:14:39
Speaker
It's a great album. It still stands. She just has so many good albums. and she's and and you As you and I have talked before, like she's one of those artists that has, not only are her album tracks incredible, but all of her B-sides and like unreleased songs are like just equally as good. so it's one of those it's It's really hard for me personally to pick a favorite because there are so many deep cuts that I just feel like could be a single. Like, I think of the song Baby from Fever, which was a B-side to one of the singles, or there was a song called Tightrope that was a B-side from the Fever album. um Both of those songs are excellent. I mean, all the B-sides from X and whatnot. Anyway, I could go on and on. I just feel, I think that she's incredible. um This might be the most important question that we've received from at Planet of Marco.
Sexual Identity and First Music Purchases
00:15:33
Speaker
They said gay question mark.
00:15:37
Speaker
At this point, I don't know. For me, flaming, flaming for sure. Jeff, debatable. Debatable. Debatable. I feel like I sexuality is fluid. That's what I'll say. Fluid. Yeah. And Zach loves fluids. We'll just leave it at that. um Let's see from I thought you thought you ate that. i I thought I drank it. I thought I drank it. um This is from at Zaftig Spice. ah What's the first piece of music you bought with your own money? Oh, my God.
00:16:12
Speaker
I don't, i I don't, I don't even know if I know the answer to that question. I have to really think about that yeah because I had, I had, I had a lot of CDs as gifts, you know? Right. Right, right, right. So at the first, it it honestly might've been Christina Aguilar's debut.
00:16:26
Speaker
I love that. Oh my gosh. We should just go with that. Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, I remember buying it at Sam's Club. I can't remember if my mom helped me. I mean, they would have helped me in some regard, whether it was like my, you know, allowance or some savings or whatever in a piggy bank yeah because I was a child. yeah But I can't remember. Can you remember?
00:16:46
Speaker
I, so I think I do. So like you, I, my first couple of CDs were gifts. Um, I remember back in 19, like, gosh, 1992, 93, this is wild. The, it was the, uh, Billy Ray Cyrus, icky, breaky heart album. That was technically my first CD. My mom bought it for me because I remember listening to it in gym class and I loved that song. However, once she bought it for me, I don't ever recall listening to it at home.
00:17:12
Speaker
I only ever remember hearing it at the gym, so it kind of doesn't count. But I will say then 1997, 12th birthday, that's what like the magical year where music just like became my life. And I remember getting the CD single for Hanson's and bop for my mom.
00:17:28
Speaker
My dad got me their full album, Middle of Nowhere for my birthday. But then with my own money that same summer, I bought the CD single for Mariah Carey's Honey and the CD single for Little Kim's Not Tonight. So by both great records. Great, great records. Yeah, I I remember going to Meyer specifically and buying those two together.
00:17:54
Speaker
Yeah. so And that that's not, I mean, that holds up. That's not like an embarrassing thing at all. Like that completely holds up to this day. So good for you. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I, I was really proud of that taste, taste developed. The taste was there. the taste The taste was there. Um, let's see.
Impact of Lesbian Artists in Pop Culture
00:18:11
Speaker
This is from at the Chris Kelly thoughts on lesbian culture and pop culture from the indigo girls to Brandy Carlisle to chapel Rome.
00:18:19
Speaker
i First of all, in the question, there is some Melissa Etheridge erasure. Let's just throw that out there right now. I really don't have tons of thoughts on this, to be completely honest. I recognize that they're all huge influential figures, but other than Chapel Rowan, they're not. it's my my My mind is just going to Lilith's fair.
00:18:39
Speaker
we Which we love. which ist something like It's not my favorite like kind of music, like especially like in the 90s or the artists that these people are mentioning, but I love Chappel Ron. Love I'm trying to think like, oh, you know what I will say? I think, correct me if I'm wrong, so sorry if I'm wrong on this. I think Claro is a lesbian.
00:19:01
Speaker
No idea, but you've been getting into her album. Yeah. That's it brings up a good point. I'm really enjoying this new album charm that she released, I think last month. Okay. It's a great album. It's really good. The textures of the album are beautiful. I love the lyrics. it It kind of sounds similar when you first listen to it, like a lot of the tracks and it is definitely that coffee shop vibe, but that's a, that's a vibe of music. I love personally guilty pleasure or not.
00:19:30
Speaker
ah But I also just love like the vintage production that she used for this album like it sounds like it was made in the 60s. It was just cool. The flutes and like the different instruments. I just think it's really incredible. And this isn't my first introduction to her either because I liked some of her songs. And I think it was like immunity was the album a few years ago. ah But this is a huge step up for her from what I've heard. I really, really enjoyed this project. So shout out to the lesbians. I mean, I think she's one.
00:20:03
Speaker
shout shout out to the lesbians they are they have you know what i will say like they have been kind of at the forefront of queer uh music getting into the mainstream so let's celebrate that let's celebrate that um i think wait i'm looking it up right now she might be bi bisexual but she's something Okay. Not straight. So she's queer and she's here. Yeah. So maybe she is. She could be bisexual. She could be lesbian, but you know, either way, I'll put her in that category. Yeah. And just like side note, Jeff loves coffee. So the coffee house of it all makes sense. You love your Starbucks.
00:20:43
Speaker
I loved being a barista. you dare ah was I was a barista for quite a while before I got into my career. so Love that. um Let's see. Let's end with one more
Favorite Pop Music Era: Late 90s and Y2K
00:20:57
Speaker
question. We have from at Sarah Lexia. Your favorite era of pop music and why?
00:21:03
Speaker
We've talked about this, at and honestly, I don't think it's any surprise. I think both of us would say the Y2K era is the best era of music, you know, late 90s, early 2000s. Is there anything more to say? ah There really isn't. I truly think it was one of probably what the most experimental time in pop music. I think that it was... It was we saw, I mean, just gigantic budgets. So we got everything from massive music videos to huge album rollouts to remixes and singles and tours and performances. I mean, that there was just it was just truly a magical time. And there was just so much variety throughout, you know, so much variety on the radio yeah for genres of music.
00:21:48
Speaker
But yeah the the best quality music and the songs that for me, I just took the test of time or from that era. I agree. You know, like yeah in the majority for sure. Like if you and I, you and I are both doing this, like for the listeners out there, we're doing this like top 100 songs of all time that we've been kind of working on behind the scenes. It's been very fun. Yeah, I would say I would say ah for each of us, it's got to be like so at least 70.
00:22:13
Speaker
um At least. At least, if not more than that. so yeah If that says anything, yeah come on. It's just the best era for music. Yeah. Because I think also the thing with music is that like you can love you can obviously love songs and love music right away.
00:22:29
Speaker
But it truly takes some time for you to kind of really realize if it stands the test of time for yourself, because I think that in this day and age, more and more, we, you know, love something or dislike it, whatever recency bias, right? um We'll listen to it and kind of play it out and then.
00:22:48
Speaker
really only if you revisit it is when you kind of start realizing like, oh yeah, no, I like love this song. And sometimes stuff has replay value for us and then sometimes it doesn't. And yeah, I think the replay value thing is a conversation we'll probably be bringing up later, honestly. um Yeah. But also I'm thinking about like Billboard Hot 100, like the Billboard Hot 100 was stacked.
00:23:13
Speaker
There was several songs on there that that are some of my favorite songs just over and over and over again. Now it's rare that a song that makes the top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 is a song I love. It's very rare. Very rare. And that didn't used to be the case. It was like all of my favorite songs were on that list, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Or even these days, like songs that you've even heard, like there are songs on that go number one.
00:23:39
Speaker
Morgan Wallen is gonna be a great example of that, at least for me. like That song that was number one for 19 weeks last summer could not, if you were to hold a gun to my head, I'd be like, I would probably die. I have no idea how it goes. Yeah, I agree. yeah or Or if I have heard it, did not know it was him, you know? um One of those things. Yeah, because you used to used to know all of the songs, kind of you had to, because you listened to the radio, you didn't really have a choice. yeah So you you had to hear everything.
00:24:05
Speaker
Yeah, which is why, like, like, even though it's not necessarily the style of music that I like to grant, like, that I like to go to or even go out of my listen to, like, I still have a nice nostalgia reflecting back on things like three doors down or, you know, all of those vertical horizon, you know, things like although they got some bops. I they do. They do. I was going to say they they. Yeah. Shout out to vertical horizon. Whatever you're doing right now. Incubus.
00:24:33
Speaker
ah the Oh my gosh. And what was it? What was the other huba stank huba stank? Oh, I didn't like them. I never liked them. What was they had like one big hit on the. The reason I remember.
00:24:49
Speaker
I feel like that was the old that's the only male singer that I can think of where I've heard people like, visible like ah what am I trying to say? who would Who would critique his singing ability live? The only male artist I've ever heard people critique. i I've never heard. I think you're the only person that, I don't know if I could say the that word and if anyone in my life would know.
00:25:11
Speaker
who that is. So I mean, the fact that you know him is good enough. yeah Hey, I'm full of surprises. And speaking of surprises.
00:25:24
Speaker
We have an album that we need to talk about. That's a surprise. Well, I think more more so my opinions are probably going to be a so surprise because I may or may not have jumped the gun a little early on the Instagram with some memes so that i I think I think what happened is we bullied you into.
00:25:44
Speaker
forcing you to a different opinion That's what happened more than i what well, we'll see I don't want to like over promise anything But I feel like we should get into Sabrina carpenters new album short and sweet her sixth album Let's just throw that out there right now her sick. and This is her sixth album, which I did not know that by the way Yeah, I did not know that yeah, I I mean I've been really eager to hear this album them since I heard espresso because i I love espresso, overplayed absolutely at this point.
00:26:14
Speaker
yeah but it really was a moment and I still, I love the song. I think it's a great song. So I was excited from that moment. I think it was my songs. We don't talk about enough actually, which is funny. I think it was one of them. Yeah, yeah, which yeah. Which definitely talked about it enough now, yeah you know, yeah definitely not underrated, right but I just want to first off say, I love the album title, Short and Sweet. Short and Sweet, yeah. I also think it ever it encapsulates what the album is going to sound like pretty well.
00:26:44
Speaker
I would say you're right. Yeah, I would say you're right. Folksy like I think of like gingham print, you know, like that red and white totally. Yeah, that's what I think of. I think of like a picnic. I think with like a like a piece of cherry pie or something like that's what I'm picturing, you know, and that's what I feel like the album is giving. You know what it makes me think of as soon as you said that it made me think of i Cassie from Euphoria when she was dressed up for the Oklahoma outfit.
00:27:12
Speaker
yeah That is exactly as soon as you said that, that's what came to mind. you ship she They kind of look alike, a little bit. A little bit, yeah, with like the big blonde hair and yeah. I'll blonde hair blue eyed people look alike to me. I'm just kidding.
00:27:31
Speaker
That's me, that's me. But I just wanted to say that I think that album title was perfect. for that album. I agree with you. I think it's a very cute album title, and I think that you're spot on that it definitely kind of. And not album a lot of albums don't do that. A lot of albums, you know, will have an album title and get no idea what it's going to sound like. They we yeah that'll be a fun episode, maybe one day, because there are several out there that. Yeah. Did not deliver. yeah Somebody lied lied to them several times. Somebody sides them. Yes.
00:28:07
Speaker
Yeah, told them that they were glory, when in fact they were not glorious on the album. that's That's real. That's very real. That was not a an album full of hymns, glory. um so Should we get into it? Do a little track by track?
00:28:23
Speaker
moment? Yeah, we can we can skip around. We don't we have to hit every track if we don't want to. But let's get into it. Yeah. ah First and foremost, I do want to correct the internet right now because a lot of people keep saying that this album is like predominantly produced by Jack Antonoff.
Review of Sabrina Carpenter's Album
00:28:37
Speaker
Jack Antonoff only has four songs on the album. I was gonna say like he's got I thought he had like two, you know, so I'm looking here.
00:28:46
Speaker
So, he he is the co-writer producer of Please, Please, Please, Sharpest Tool. um Let's see, there's Slim Pickens and then Lighted Girls. i okay Which, once I saw that, I was like, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense because those those are some of those are the most boring ones.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah, um and then and then other collaborators on the album, Julia Michaels, um Ian Kirkpatrick, which I believe Ian Kirkpatrick worked with Dua Lipa on feature nostalgia. ye um And then there was Julian Bonetta, who did a lot of stuff with um One Direction. um The album starts with Taste, and I personally love this song.
00:29:31
Speaker
It's so cute. I love it. it's it's It's like, it's for me, it's like giving us espresso part two. Like I love that. It's like, I almost feel, I mean, no, I actually, I took that back. I agree with the way the singles were. I agree with, please, please, please. We'll talk about that in a minute, but okay. It's, it's great. It's a standout track for me. I think it's the right choice as the third single, not that the album's out and the music video was death becomes certain. I mean, what more can you ask for?
00:29:59
Speaker
It was perfect, like truly a fun video. I mean, I've rewatched it many, many times because of how fun. it' just it's It's fun to see. It seems like music videos are kind of making a little bit of a comeback. It feels like and companies are starting to invest a little bit more in videos and they're starting to get a little bit more creative with them again. And so it was really fun to see a video like this.
00:30:24
Speaker
And it was fun to see Jenna Ortega right like in in yeah the video. i mean It's fun to see a celebrity yeah not think they're too good for music videos. like I love that. like I love that. It was a big production. and I love the reference. I mean, it's like Halloween's coming up here and I love that movie so much. Yeah, for sure. And I have to say, tell me if I'm crazy. It's not that they sound alike, but there is like an energy that taste gives that makes me think of, ah let's give them something to talk about by Bonnie Ray. Am I crazy for that or? I don't know that song. Let's give them something to talk about something. You don't know that song?
00:31:03
Speaker
I don't know that song, Sweetheart. Oh my god. Everyone in the internet just screamed. Do they? OK. Let's take a poll. Anyway, we will take a poll. That's really funny. Anyway, I'll send it to you after the episode, and you can tell me if I'm crazy or not. Next brings us to Please, Please, Please. I didn't like to song one of his first release, but I think I said this on one of the last episodes with DJ John Michael.
00:31:32
Speaker
this is where we start to see her lyrics and we start to see them like I start to see her humor and so but revisiting the song like retroactively it's so funny it It's so clever. like I have to love it for that reason. um I think what would turn me off a little bit was just kind of the country twangy. you know If you want to call it country, I know it's not entirely country, but you know what I mean? like It's that folksy kind of sound. and but just just Some of these lyrics are so funny. like ah
00:32:06
Speaker
her talking about, you know, like, not to please don't embarrass me. Like, by all means, like, you can be an asshole, but not not in front of the guests. You know, like, there's just something like an energy behind this song that is so funny. Yeah. I think she says, like, the air inside is so nice or something like that. Like, we don't have to go outside. You don't have to embarrass me today. Let's stay inside. Like, that is hilarious. I think it's so funny. And I also.
00:32:32
Speaker
appreciate that it's the second single now because when it happened I was confused it sounded nothing like espresso so I'm like whoa where is this album going but after hearing the album those two songs in my opinion tied this project together so perfectly like ah right breezy pop like country twangy together and I was like wow like I was impressed just with how she made it cohesive sounding. I was really impressed with that. Because albums are not cohesive these days. No, no. And I will say that, you know, I don't necessarily for me personally, I don't need albums to be filled with all songs that like sound the same or sound similar. I think that Rina Samoyama does a really good job of being able to create
00:33:14
Speaker
a bunch of sonically different sounding songs that still, but I guess, you know what, I guess it's still, is it's still, she somehow makes it cohesive. I don't know how she does that, it's magic. I will say, you know, please, please, please, I don't really like this song, I won't lie, but I appreciate, I do appreciate the humor of it all, which has been kind of a theme throughout this album that there's like- It's the strong suit of the album to me.
00:33:39
Speaker
Yeah, I think that there's a lot of really clever, funny lyrics. um Next up is Good Graces. I called i called this ah the roller skating song of the album. I think it's i think it's the most like Ariana Grande sounding song. and And to me, that's why I don't gravitate towards it. Not that I don't like Ariana Grande. That's not what I mean. I just feel like it sounds like a scrapped Ariana Grande song. I could do without the song.
00:34:06
Speaker
That's kind of how I feel about this album in general, to be completely honest. So i when I heard the song, I completely agree. It sounds like an Ariana Grande song. it's i thought it was that So there was a few songs that people on the internet were like being like, you should give this one a try. Give this one a try. Give this one a try. This is one of the songs that they were like, give this one a try. Because it's Poppy and Uptempo. They thought yeah you would like it. And it's cute. I don't hate it. it's just i don't either I don't hate it either.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, I just was like, OK, like it's just it is what it is. Maybe I'll I'll try revisiting it a couple more times. I'll be honest, I listen to the album fully twice, which I was really proud of myself for doing, because you know what? There is an album out there that I still have not listened to. And we don't need to talk about it. And we don't need to talk about her and her 31 children. um I really want to talk about the song Bedcam personally. OK, well, are we going to skip over the other two?
00:35:04
Speaker
we Yeah, well, did would you like to talk about them? i just I just wanted to say, Coincidence is one of my favorites of the album. Oh, okay. I really like Coincidence. I like the melody of the song. I like the instruments, I like the with the guitar, I like how like folksy it is and how it ties into that element of the song. yeah And again, I like the i like the lyrics. you know What a coincidence. like you know you're back you're She's back in the picture. I just love this sort of theme that's happening and around like her relationships with men. And yeah, I think it's ah a good song. It's a highlight for me. Is this the one where she says like moaning and bitching and that's that's slim pickings.
00:35:46
Speaker
Okay, so here's here me. So here's the other thing that I had kind of some trouble with with this album, maybe not troubles, not the right word, but to me, sharpest tool coincidence, dumb and poetic, slim pickings, and don't smile, all It's not that they necessarily sound the same, but they all had a similar energy. So I had a hard time differentiating which song was what after two listens. Well, you've only listened to it twice, right? So I think yeah the more the more I listen to it, the more I can differentiate the songs. And I find this to be true really with any album. I think a lot of times, so even even someone that I love, like Beyonce, so when when I first listened to Renaissance, I didn't hear distinctly
00:36:31
Speaker
i either There was a lot of songs that blended together. Obviously that's not the case. I feel like sometimes, and i this is my, I don't think it's a gripe. That's a bad word, but this is my thing with Lana Del Rey. I have to listen to a Lana Del Rey album like 10 times in order to really hear the differences. So I think being this kind of like folksy singer songwriter vibe that she wants to go for, which I think, I think she doesn't want to lead into that a little bit. um You know, coffee shop girl, whatever you want to call her. I think.
00:37:00
Speaker
You have to listen to the album a few more times because those songs are, in my opinion, very different, but there are. There are songs that sound alike. And when I did first listen to the album, it all sounded similar to me. you know So I would say give it a few more listens for sure. That's good advice. That's good advice. um I will say coincidence kind of made me the again, it's not that they necessarily sound alike, but it lives in a world where I did do you know the song Little Willie by Sweet? It's a 70s band.
00:37:31
Speaker
It's like one of the few 70s bands that I could ever like name. um It was a song that my dad always played a lot when I was a kid. And just the the way the guitar is in this song kind of gave me that vibe yeah a little bit. So yeah, i i over I will say Sharpest Tool, not to like bounce around, but Sharpest Tool. um I was interested in that lore a little bit, because it's allegedly about Shawn Mendes.
00:37:57
Speaker
And so so I was like, oh, interesting. So it's not my favorite song on the album, but the lyrically, it definitely captivated me a little bit because I was kind of like, oh, this is about Sean. Interesting. So I think the like the lyrics are are good on that song, but the song itself, the structure isn't strong enough for me to like listen to it. You know, yeah. Yeah. I think that that was the one that had the like the jacking off to Leonard Cohen lyric, I believe.
00:38:24
Speaker
Yeah, I believe so. arch is Or dumb and poetic. Dumb and poetic. See? the see like Yeah, sorry. But to me to me, those dumb and poetic and sharpest tool are kind of similar. So that I agree with you on. Okay. Yeah. Cause though it was those. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Can we please talk about bed cam? No.
00:38:40
Speaker
Yeah, let's talk about it. It sounds like an Ariana Grande song to me. It does sound like an Ariana Grande song. This I am obsessed with this song. I am obsessed. I have listened to it an obnoxious amount of times yesterday. And I don't know what came over me with this song, but I love it so much.
00:39:02
Speaker
Cause you got to find the one that's the most like up spirit. I just, for me, it's like, like sonically, it is like the perfect, like it's like a sunset song. It sounds a sunset song during the summertime.
00:39:18
Speaker
um I love how sexual it is. I love like that. Yeah, she got very sexual on this album. Very Disney star. Very sexual. Well, I mean, speaking of coming, I mean, she was like, come right on me. I mean, camaraderie. I was like, oh, funny. Also love um where art, though.
00:39:38
Speaker
That lyric. ah Yeah. Where art thou? Why not? are On top of me. On top of me. Yeah. That was a standout. This, this, this too feels like the way the the lyrics are written are similar to espresso. I guess a lot of the songs are, but again, lots of humor and a breeziness to like the way that she, she writes this or, you know, whoever was on the track writing with her. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely a fun song. Not my favorite, not my favorite on the album, but definitely like a fun, good one.
00:40:05
Speaker
Yeah, she said in an interview, I don't know which one but that it was inspired by early Christian Aguilera. I personally don't hear that on the song. I was going to say ah where I was like, we have different definitions of early Christian Aguilera, but I appreciate the shout out. And for me, it's my favorite on the album.
00:40:27
Speaker
um we've Next, we've got espresso. Everyone knows espresso. yeah like I do want to make one note because you know that I never really liked the song. I do have to say. I don't think you gave it a chance. I have i have to say it is a song that i'm not I'm still not obsessed with it, but you know what it makes me think of now? It makes me think of our trip to Chicago.
00:40:51
Speaker
like when I hear because I felt like we kept hearing it in passing. Like when we were walking around market days, I felt like we heard it and then it's remixes all over the place. And we just couldn't escape it. And so now it makes the song of the summer, baby. It is the song of the summer. We really did. I felt like we heard this song like but every 15 minutes.
00:41:09
Speaker
I remember saying it's going to be song this summer. I remember people kind of collectively saying that. And it was. Yeah, you know, it was it was I mean, it was all over TikTok and Instagram reels to escape it. um yeah And it definitely overplayed, but still fantastic. you know Yeah. So now that it's like, you know, tied to, you know, that lovely memory that we have, um you know, it's definitely going to be a song where I'll it'll hold a special place in my heart. So good. Good. Yeah. OK, we got.
00:41:35
Speaker
Dumb and poetic at number eight, which um and we didn we just said sounds very much like sharpest tool. You know, it's yeah very, very similar vibe. Yeah. Just kind of, just kind of, I think like she took like the Taylor Swift song writing class here or, you know, song structure class here of like, sure. Let's just kind of ah stripped back. Is Antonoff on this one? um know No, that's surprising.
00:42:00
Speaker
ah I think that it's it's not a bad song. And again, there's some funny lyrics like jerking off to Leonard Cohen and yeah um the melody is like pretty, but it reminds me of a Taylor song in that way where it's just kind of boring. For lack of a better word, the structure is boring and it relies more so on like the songwriting.
00:42:18
Speaker
You know, but I have no really no notes on this. This was a song where I listened when I listened to it twice. I was like, same thing. I was like the jacking off to Lennon Cohen was the most interesting part of this. The lore of the Shawn Mendes of it all was a little captivating to me, but the song itself as a song.
00:42:33
Speaker
did it really nothing for me, didn't scratch my itch, you know? Yeah. Number nine, Slim Pickens. This isn't a song I would like gravitate towards per se, but I love it on this album. I think it works in the project so well. And again, it's bringing that like picnic energy to the But it I just I just love her little like country. it I need to know, too, is s Sabrina Carpenter from the South? I have no idea. I really don't know anything about her.
00:43:02
Speaker
Because ah the the the southern energy throughout this album is very strong. And so I'm very curious because I just love her talking about serving up some moaning and bitching in the kitchen. I think it's so cute. I love it. i I think this is like her doing her best like Dolly Parton impression.
00:43:21
Speaker
um Yeah, very that totally. Yeah. And I have to say, I actually was kind of surprised by this one. I'm not in love with it, but I do like it. I thought it was an interesting sounding song. um I love I love the grinder moment, the the alleged use of the grinder notification. Oh, yeah. Well, towards the end and Anson is on this one.
00:43:43
Speaker
Antonov is on this one. And here's the thing with Jack. i i I think Jack, because we're on our first name basis here, I think Jack Antonov is a good producer. I think that just unfortunately, credible yeah, unfortunately with the Taylor of it all, they've just gotten so into this like, let's release 5 million songs that all sound similar.
00:44:04
Speaker
And there's no creativity. I mean, i this sounds bad to say, like I, well who am I to judge? Right. But like, I just feel like the creativity has been lacking in the last few projects, you know, what, like you and I are both tired of Taylor working with him. We're ready for her to work with someone new. Let's just say that. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready for, yeah, I can appreciate, you know, obviously a lot of pop stars have their producers that they kind of yeah navigate towards, but, um, yeah. and I'll always love him for producing one of my favorite albums of all time. Norman Fucking Rockwell by Lana Del Rey is a masterpiece. And he was the co-producer and writer on that album. So yeah he he has delivered some amazing work. It's just like, I'm tired of this boring stripped back structure that isn't even a structure. Nothing is interesting about it melodically. yeah i'm tired I'm really tired of that. So um and yeah.
00:44:56
Speaker
But I do, I do gotta to say like for some of the, you know, for, let's see here. Okay. So he's like two for two for me on this album. Like I like Slim Pickens. I like please, please, please. So him lending to the songs. Good for you, Jack, you know? Good for you, Jack. Good for you. Yeah. Do you you like Juno number 10?
00:45:17
Speaker
Here's the thing with Juno. This was the, this was the, out of, you know, all the songs, everyone was like, ah especially a lot of gay men were like, Juno, Juno, Juno, Juno. So I listened to it. It was kind of giving me some Carly Rae Jepsen vibes. You know, I love my Carly Rae, but it never fully got there for me. I kind of likened it to a sneeze that you can't, like you're about to sneeze, but it doesn't come out.
00:45:43
Speaker
Like through the rain by Mariah Carey. Yeah, exactly. I will say lyric another fun lyrical moment throughout the song. I loved like the I'm so fucking horny part. I was like her and Kim Petras need to have a horny off. Right. I'm like, geez. Yeah. um But it was, you know, maybe maybe I need to give it some more listens, but it just it it was just OK for me. And so, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to the gays. so I don't know. I agree with you. I think that the song isn't bad, but it's not great. It's just it's I like it it's like it brings a happy energy to the album. And I really like that and respect it for that. Like it's something about the beginning of the song is so reminiscent of like other songs I've listened to in my life. I don't know. Is it the guitar like that? doooooo Do, do, do, do, do, do. It almost reminds me of like it's a little cinematic. It almost reminds me of it. Also, yeah, it also it's not the same thing. So don't get me twisted here. But it almost reminds me of like the way like um
00:46:41
Speaker
That's the way it is kind of by Celine Dion. Like there's something, there's like an energy to like that, like guitar or something. okay But it's just kind of generic. So it just, it just doesn't, yeah it doesn't do much. And it's not bad. It's just not something that I probably, again, like talking about replay factor, it doesn't have it, you know, this song, but I like it for what it is. um yeah Number 11, we don't have to talk much about this one. I think this one's horrible.
00:47:10
Speaker
I don't have comments about either of these last two songs, to be completely honest. Why do girls need to cut it got scrapped for sure. Scrapped. don't Don't need it. Don't care. Super boring. yeah Yeah. I think it's the worst song. I would say that my only note is I kind of liked how they did the a vocal effect when the chorus hit, it made it sound like the song was like a choir ask something. I was like, I appreciated that. But yeah, I did. I felt like the song was just meh. It's a very meh. Yeah.
00:47:44
Speaker
But number 12, Don't Smile for me has become one of my favorites, I have to say. Really? Okay. Good for you. Again, like it's doing this breezy pop thing so well. and i just i like I like how breezy it is. I like how easy it is. like This album was a very easy listen, and I appreciate that. I like easy listening. you know that see yeah i like you know It just reminds me of, like I could hear this in an elevator. and i wouldd be like oh that feel I would be like,
00:48:13
Speaker
That's nice. I like that. Totally. and i will yeah i but But this song has, and the more I've listened to it, it took me a couple of times. like It was definitely when I didn't stand out at first. Now that I'm hearing it, I like the lyrics of the song. um don't I think she says, don't smile because it happened. um Smile because it's over. And again, I love that. yeah I just love her take on like these relationships with men.
00:48:40
Speaker
and I think it's a good way to end the album and I just love i love the melody of this one as well. so Yeah. There's apparently a bonus track. i don't I have not listened to the bonus track. I haven' i don't think it's on streaming. No, it's not on streaming. It's kind of like what is it, Target or something? Probably Target or like a vinyl or something. A vinyl. Sorry to this track. I haven't heard you.
00:49:00
Speaker
um Yeah. Don't, don't know, but, but all in all, okay. I think it would be fun. Actually, I heard another podcast and see this, so I'm going to like steal it from them. But what would you, if you had to give us a grade rating from an A plus to an F, where would you put this album? I would say, Oh my gosh, where would I put this album?
00:49:25
Speaker
I would say it's straddling the line for me between a B minus and a C plus. That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. you Oh my God. I'm really happy that you say that too, because I mean, coming into this podcast, I thought you were going to shit all over this album for some reason. so yeah and So I really, I'm really happy that you gave it another listen. I hope that you give it a few more just to kind of really, you know, really sink your teeth into it just to make an opinion. Right. But I think, yeah, I think that's exactly kind of what it dis deserves. I think this is a good effort for her. I'm not mad at it, but
00:49:58
Speaker
replay factor, all of the other albums we've heard this year, I see it kind of getting lost in that. Yeah. But I think just like, you know, she's obviously blown up, blowing up as an artist, you know, she's nominated for artists of the year. I mean, she's really kind of come into her own this year. And I think it's a good effort showcasing that, you know, the music's not for everybody. It's definitely relaxed and easy and breezy. Um, but yeah, I think a B minus C plus is like right where I would rate it too. Yeah. I, I was impressed with her vocals cause truly was not really familiar with her pre espresso. Um, and again, was not really a fan of please, please, please. So I kind of went into it almost blind, but I was very surprised by taste, even more surprised by bed chem.
00:50:48
Speaker
I would say my the biggest issue for me with this album is that there's, you know, I would say between like sharpest tool coincidence, ah dumb and poetic, um slim pickins, lie to girls and don't smile, like those songs ah for me just kind of all blend together. And so I just and then you have like these moments like taste and espresso and bed chem.
00:51:13
Speaker
that all kind of like, and you know, that kind of, I don't want to say they stick out like a sore thumb because they don't, but I don't know. I felt like they could have been a little bit more balanced. Give me more dance songs. That's what I'm saying. well that's what That's what I'm laughing at because this isn't a shock to me at all because you not at all you picked all of the poppy up tempo. You didn't, you didn't lean into the bed chem is like a mid tempo.
00:51:37
Speaker
Okay, but for for this album, though, for this album, it is like what you would gravitate towards. It's like the up, get you know, gets you in a good mood kind of a song. Like that's that's what you gravitate towards. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying, like, not surprised yeah that you didn't gravitate towards some of the other ones. Yeah. And I just want to say this is just something that i just I want to get off my chest really quick because something that I kind of learned about myself with this whole, like, s spring and carpenter album and like the memes that i I initially put out with, you know, initially kind of quote unquote, like reacting to it. I don't like to yuck people's yums. It's just not my personality. And it doesn't feel right to me when I like put down an artist or and really anyone for no reason. And
00:52:21
Speaker
I can admit that I definitely put those memes out without one giving the album a fair listen, but then two, I felt kind of like people now kind of look at my page to, to see what reactions I'm going to have. And so I felt kind of the, this is the first time that I truly felt pressure to put something out and So I did it anyway, long story short, I just didn't feel good about it. So I probably won't ever do that again, but just unless, unless someone deserves it, you know, I i appreciate that. I appreciate you changing your opinion. The more times you listen to it too, because I think.
00:52:58
Speaker
it's I struggle with that too. It's it's hard to be try to be objective about music, because it's inherently very subjective. But I think you and I are good at that. So that's why I'm proud of you, because I think the more you listen to like the production, the lyrics, the songs, they might not be your taste in music. But you can still give it a better grading depending on like what it's giving. And I feel like this album is a really good effort for her, even though I think for me as well, like it's not my it's not my favorite thing in the world. Don't get me wrong.
00:53:28
Speaker
right but But it's a good effort. And for her and just kind of where she is in culture, I think it feels right. you know And I love an underdog moment. Brother, I truly enjoy your music or not. like I do appreciate the fact that like this is her sixth album. And it's going to debut at number one. They're projecting about 317,000 copies sold, which is huge in this day and age. So congratulations, Sabrina Carpenter. That's really amazing. Congrats. Yeah, I'm i'm eager to hear.
00:53:57
Speaker
what you do next, you know? And I love a woman that loves to get dicked down. ah Good for her.
00:54:04
Speaker
um Jeff, this brings us to the
Highlighting Notable Songs by Claro and Deborah Cox
00:54:07
Speaker
part of the show. Do you have a song that we don't talk about enough? Yeah, I'm just going i'm just here to highlight Claro this week. I'm going to highlight Claro. I think Sexy to Someone on the Claro album, ah the Charm album last month, you know, give it a listen.
00:54:22
Speaker
It's coffee shop vibes for sure. You know, but again, I love the vintage production and the flutes on the song. And I think that it's just a really nice song. And I give two thumbs up to Ms. Claro. So that that would be my song. I would like to highlight that. How about you?
00:54:44
Speaker
So I have been kind of bouncing around a lot in my music um lately between listening to this new album, between, you know, listening to the stuff that I normally listen to. But I revisited, you're gonna laugh because this is like not going to shock you at all. But um I revisited a song by Deborah Cox called House is Not a Home, specifically the Toni Moran and Warren Rigg remix.
00:55:10
Speaker
And it's it's something that I have not revisited in a long time. So it was just like a fun throwback to 2005 and just like revisiting the the original song is like this up tempo, like Middle Eastern inspired R and&B club track. And then the dance remix is obviously like the progressive house remixes that I love. Jeff hates. But you know what I really appreciate about this remix is that it was ah one of those remixes where she rerecorded the vocals for it.
00:55:39
Speaker
Oh, I love that. I respect that. That's. Yeah. She went to the Mariah Carey School of Remix. She sure did. And I have to say that the ah breakdown of the song, like the bridge of the song in the middle, like she really gave it some powerful vocal moments. And it was it was just really fun to like listen to those differences between the two versions. um She's um an amazing vocalist. I was just an incredible vocalist, really underrated, not talked about enough.
00:56:06
Speaker
not talked about enough. like People ah go on you know on the internet and want to rank their favorite singers and group the best singers of all time. Deborah Cox is never spoken about, and she deserves to be right up there because she's incredible. I agree. And I also think Kelly Rowland is an underrated vocalist, too. Just throw that out there. I know that's like the end of the episode, but i that's a thought I have. I just feel like not talked about enough. Yeah, totally. Have you heard the rumor that she's allegedly on check on it? like Her voice, have we talked about this?
00:56:36
Speaker
Well, we have talked about this because it's confusing because they talk about like DC, Destiny's Child. And that's where I'm confused because I'm like, yeah, were were they on it? Were they not? It's now a Beyonce song, but then it's on the number one. So I'm like, what's what's going on here? You know, right. Yeah, because it was allegedly or not allegedly it was ah recorded for the Pink Panther soundtrack, but apparently it was left yeah off the soundtrack. So that's why it's on number ones. But yeah, to your point, like the rappers on the song are talking about DC and Destiny's Child.
00:57:05
Speaker
arms lengthng do ah yeah yeah And, um, but yeah, the second verse, people theorize that parts of the vocals are actually Kelly Roland. And when I listened to it now, i'm I'm like, I, I believe it. I could hear it. I i believe it too, just because of the way that everything rolled out. Yeah. Rolled out. I gotta have to say, I have to say that really quickly.
00:57:28
Speaker
that the chokehold that check on it had on me and the music video and just just Pink Panther in general. Like I was such a weirdo. I was probably like in middle school and this stuff came out. So I asked my my parents for Christmas to get me like the full like collector set of like original vintage Pink Panther.
00:57:53
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I love that TV show from like the sixties. I was obsessed. I was drawing it. I was drawing Beyonce, like in all my sketchbooks and I, the pink and everything, like the the waving fabrics with the cheap fan. Yeah. and I have never, I, that was, that was such a, that put me in truly in a chokehold. Like I was, when I tell you obsessed with that song and that music video and that moment in time. Yeah.
00:58:16
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Like no other. So good. So good. Give me some flowing fabric and I'm in. Love it. Name a Pinker music video. Name them. I don't know. I don't think that there's show I don't think it's there. Yeah. Well, this has been fun. Short and sweet to the point. And we did. We really did that. Until next time, everyone. Bye.