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Justice for Damita Jo
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This week on Pop Theory, Zach and Jeff celebrate TWENTY YEARS of Janet Jackson's criminally underrated DAMITA JO. We revisit the album to discuss some of our favorite songs - where are the "All Nite (Don't Stop)" fans at? - from the project plus some songs that were scrapped from the album's final tracklist like the Neptunes produced "Ruff" and the Rich Harrison assisted "Pops Up!" We also celebrate 7 days of COWBOY CARTER, reflecting on our initial reactions of the album, discussing our current favorite moments from the album, and try to figure out what the HECK she is up to with the visuals! We even through in some anticipation for Taylor Swift's "The Tortured Poets Department" for good measure.
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Album Excitement and Comparisons
00:00:00
Speaker
I OK, Jeff, I'm not even kidding. So I have been listening to the album nonstop. I took one tiny little break to listen to the new Charlie XCX singles that came out yesterday. I you know, I love a dance record. You know, I love a club record. But right now I am in full cowboy Carter mode. And this album has enveloped every fiber of my being. And it felt
00:00:28
Speaker
It felt sacrilegious listening to anything else. Like it felt weird.
00:00:32
Speaker
I just don't want to. Right. I don't either. I don't, it reminds me of Renaissance because I remember like, I remember I have specific memories around listening to Renaissance and it was like weeks after. So I think it's going to be that way. There's something, and there's something about Bianca's vocals.
Vocal Captivation and Song Highlights
00:00:48
Speaker
Maybe Bianca's vocals. Bianca from Mariah Carey universe. She just has like, maybe she is a witch because her vocals are hypnotic. I want to hear them, her melodies, her cadences, her harmonies. Everything.
00:01:02
Speaker
This album fucking turned it out bit like the way like truly the her best vocally I think it's her most It's just everything about it from the per I mean nothing that we haven't already said like it's just it blows my mind is it like so I'm still holding true. Okay, remember what did I say last episode? I said American run or American run a Requiem American run a song
00:01:28
Speaker
My brain's just full of ideas. American Requiem. So it's true. I think it's one of Beyonce's best songs ever. I think it's Jason. I were saying it's her best intro like that. That intro is the best intro to an album. Maybe ever. Yeah. Good luck to everyone else. That's a moment. A moment. But you know what song has quickly grown to be, I think, my second favorite of the album is just for fun.
00:01:58
Speaker
That's my least favorite song on the album. I cannot get enough of it. That's surprising to me because it's a little boring, I think.
00:02:07
Speaker
I don't know what it is. To me, the melody. It's a very spiritual song for me. And I think and also lyrically, I really like how it's like in the in the back of her like throat kind of like. Yeah, like I like that. That's very haunting. Yeah, it's I feel like I feel like it's a very relatable song for a lot of people right now. I mean, you and I, we always talk about how we're just like, you know, we're struggling with our finances and things like that. And so
00:02:35
Speaker
like this song is just like, it's about going through hard stuff. And it's like, I just got to get through this or get used to it, which I'm like, I don't want to get used to it. But I just I love it. It's spiritual to me at the way when the when the percussion and the hand claps come in towards the end. Oh my gosh, I feel my soul just like levitating. You know, it's spiritual for me.
Cultural Staples and Music Preferences
00:02:58
Speaker
What? Desert Eagle in the backseat.
00:03:02
Speaker
Big body with the whole anthem. The whole and feed you breakfast. Big body make you this. Did you break this? She really stayed true to the south because grits are all over this album. If you don't know what grits are, get the fuck up out the south. And that's so true as an Atlanta. You need to have have grits period. Jeff has lived in Atlanta for two years. Just to throw it out there as three. Yeah. How dare you? How very dare you?
00:03:28
Speaker
Oh my God. That's right. It's 2024. And if you call my other Georgia, like over a year or so. Yeah. You basically have lived in, you've basically were born in bread. I'm in, I'm, I'm corn fed. I am, you know, grits, grits on the stove, AKA polenta for my Italians out there. Right. Right. Which daughter, um, daughter, daughter, daughter. Have you listened to the Texas hold them pony up remix?
00:03:55
Speaker
I'm excited to talk about it. I like it more than the OG. Oh, really? I love that. I think I told you like the OG one. Sixteen characters was my favorite of the two. The OG one. I liked it, but I think it's a great song, but like it's just not my vibe. And again, I'm very happy that a whole album doesn't sound like that because I wouldn't have liked it. I can only do that in small doses and I haven't wanted to listen to it because
00:04:20
Speaker
I mean, and I'm happy for Beyonce for this, but it's certainly overplayed. It's all over Instagram reels. It's everywhere. And so I'm more, way more interested in the other stuff on the album. You know, it's probably one of my, my least favorites on the album, but I think it's the best single first single of course. Um, I.
00:04:38
Speaker
Love the remix. And I, you know what I like about it too? Remember, I think I told you this on our last, on one of our episodes when we first heard Texas Hold'em for the first time, the ending with like the piano keys and like the cellogenic, she added more of that into the song. Yeah. So I'm like, love. And then I love like the beat drop and I love, I love it.
00:04:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's so good. Like what a nice little surprise to wake up to like I woke up this morning again on my crazy sleep schedule woke up at 445 this morning and but like open up my phone first thing I saw I was a go away and oh my gosh just that New Orleans
00:05:17
Speaker
fusing like talk about okay like again this album being a genre genre genre like mine I know her like it you know a genre blending fusion of just different sounds all from the south
00:05:34
Speaker
And, you know, New Orleans bounce being a southern music, you know, origin and then fusing it with Louisiana. Yeah. And like I'm just kind of like it's a brilliant, brilliant fusion and it works so well. I love it. I love it way more than the OG. Yeah. Already. It's so good. It's so good. I want a 10 minute version. Who produced it?
00:05:59
Speaker
I looked up the production credits right before we started recording today and it looks like the dream helped produce it.
00:06:09
Speaker
Oh, nice. He's like all over this album on some of my favorite songs. Yeah.
Speculation and Collaborations
00:06:13
Speaker
I saw Tina Knowles make a post too. Obviously she's been like posting a lot, which love her. But it's just funny because she mentioned him. She's like, they're like the dream team when they're together, the dream and Beyonce. And she was acting like it was one of her like little friends. Oh, her little friend. I love the way Tina like talks about. She's so proud of Beyonce. She is. I mean, oh my gosh. Yeah. I just.
00:06:37
Speaker
This whole album rollout has been really fun. I got my CD. I'm not a final person. Sorry, everyone. But I got my little CD with the B and say it says act to be and say so clearly the album was supposed to be titled B and say. Right. And did you see that there was a new website that came up called Always Been Country? I have. Yeah, I have a feeling in my bones that we're going to there's some sort of tour have bubbling.
00:07:03
Speaker
So people are wondering, it's a tour. Some people are saying it's a documentary about the making of the album. And I, either way, I would be excited. I will say I'm broke. I was like, I can't, I want to go, but I can't. That's all the comments I've saw too. I saw like, cause I've been, you know, all the Beyonce fan pages pop up on my Insta. So that's where I saw the website was posted and people are like Beyonce, we're broke. We can't do this. I just, I'm just recovering from Renaissance truly.
00:07:33
Speaker
Truly, but also like JD if you're listening by our tickets Right, right. I'm like, yeah Yeah, I mean if she released I would love like a making of the film But I do feel like it would be kind of an odd placement of events Considering the three acts considering we haven't gotten visuals for the first album. I
00:07:54
Speaker
Right. I think I mean, it would make sense to me. This this album seems to be in the subject matter specifically in the event leading to the creation of the album seems to be a a tender spot for her. So it makes sense given, you know, her career trajectory over the last 10 years as to why she would want to document the creation of this album and talk about it in depth. But yeah, I mean, I'm so that could be in the concert film.
00:08:24
Speaker
could be in the concert film if we, I mean, if we get a tour, who knows? She is full of tricks. Do you, okay, do you think, so going back to the remix, so thinking of like the events that happened with Renaissance, the week after Renaissance was released was when she released- Break my soul. Break my soul remix with Madonna. So I'm just sitting here thinking like, I wonder if she has any of those tricks up her sleeves. Is she gonna collaborate with any huge country stars?
00:08:52
Speaker
that she hasn't already collaborated with. I was like thinking in my head, I was like, oh, my God, is she going to drop a Shania Twain remix on us or like maybe, maybe not because like, I mean, it makes sense why she did a collab in the spirit of like dance music. You know, maybe I don't know if she'll do that with the country, but maybe I mean, it'd be nice if we got some more remixes and we'd certainly got a few remixes and like, you know, the Americas got a problem with Kendrick and yeah.
00:09:18
Speaker
All of the other things. So yeah, I feel like to me, again, she does everything with intention and I don't know what's going to happen because we have been surprised up until this point, but I do feel like it would make sense if there was more. She's kind of following a similar pattern. It would make sense to me if it was similar in act one, where you do get a concert, you do get like a, and then at the very end of all the three acts.
00:09:43
Speaker
get some sort of a film, some sort of cohesive visual experience. So I could see there being a few more remixes. I don't know if she'll do any collabs. There's so many collabs on this album compared to Renaissance. True. Yeah, that's very true. So yeah, I'm very curious to see. I could I could see her. I see her doing at least two more remixes, maybe with a collaborator, maybe not. But I think that that will probably be I think that it felt like with Renaissance, she let
00:10:10
Speaker
the TikTok of it all, the virality of it all kind of lead to as to what the singles, I guess, would be. So I mean, Koffee had its viral moment and then that's why she ended up doing the the wetter remix. And then America, America's got a problem also went viral. And then I think that's why we got the Kendrick Lamar remix. So I'm wondering if she's going to try that again. So we'll see. I don't know. I know the full version of Desert Eagle.
00:10:36
Speaker
Full version of Desert Eagle. I would love a longer version of spaghetti. I would love, I mean, I would take anything. Give me a 10 hour remix of Smoke Hour 2. No, an extended version of Desert Eagle would be amazing. I would love that. I would truly, truly love that. It's one of my favorites. So groovy. The streets are begging for a Victoria Monet remix. Just like, and just we talked about this before, but
00:11:03
Speaker
the block of songs and I have to listen to them in this order. Yeah. Like, and even in Flamenco, you know, I know I said last week that that wasn't, that was the most forgettable interlude. It's becoming one of my more listened to songs as of late as I kind of, it grows on me, similar to some songs on Renaissance after you give them, you gotta, it's, it's one of those like growers, you know, so.
Musical Direction and Influences
00:11:23
Speaker
Oh yeah. Flamenco into the Linda Martel show, into Yaya, into Oh Louisiana, into
00:11:29
Speaker
Desert Eagle. That's my block of songs right now. Do you know what I'm saying? I totally get what you're saying. And let me tell you, I mean, I loved Yaya from the get go, but like the way that song has also just been infused inside me right now. Like I just I know I was thinking about earlier. I'm like, is this my favorite song on the album? It really might be now because I'm obsessed with it.
00:11:52
Speaker
It's so fun. It's what I want. At the moment, right now, a week later, that's what I want to keep hearing. Yeah. You know, it's Beyonce having the most fun in she's just living her best life. And also, oh, Louisiana, I know we talked about this in the last episode, too, but like the way is the perfect outro to that song. And I can't get that also out of my head like this, that that voice, the minion voice. It's amazing. The chipmunk slowed down. Yeah.
00:12:21
Speaker
I went, I went and listened to that Chuck Berry album because I was intrigued. Oh, really? Yeah. I had to hear the original. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. It works so well and I love, I love it. There's no words. And yeah, the latter half of the album for me is really like.
00:12:39
Speaker
And even even like possibly like you could even go to those block of songs I just mentioned into Riverdance, into Two Hands to Heaven, into into Tyrant, into Sweet Honey Bucket. That's like the block of songs. Yeah, 100 percent. I can't. I know you would text me this, but like some of the New Zealanders were like, Tyrants, the heated of the album. And I just want to say it is certainly not.
00:13:04
Speaker
It's not the heated of the album. It is. Yaya is the heated of the album. Yaya is the moment you go in and go off at a concert. Can you imagine? Yeah, 100 percent. Yeah. Also, someone like in the early like when the New Zealanders and the Australians were getting I keep saying Renaissance, got Carter Carter before us. Someone was saying that there was like a song with Brazilian funk beats. And I feel like that's a lie.
00:13:29
Speaker
I saw that. I saw that genre online, though, listed somewhere, maybe in Wikipedia or something, too, because you tell me that. Yeah, I don't hear that in any of the songs personally, but maybe I'm maybe I'm not cultured enough in that genre to to hear it, but I don't hear it personally. I was like, Anita, where are you at? It's funny how we compare this, obviously, to Renaissance, but the sweet honey, you know, the Yaya is the heated for me and then
00:13:58
Speaker
Even though they're not similar, there's a similar energy I get from Riverdance and Two Hands to Heaven in terms of all up in your mind and America's got a problem together. Oh, sure. Yeah. Like the block together. I kind of get a similar energy and then Sweet Honey Buck and is the pure honey. Yeah. 100%. It feels that I'm, that's the way I like picture it, you know, and process it. I love the way you just said similar energy. And spaghetti is energy. Yeah. The spaghetti is the energy of the album. 100%.
00:14:25
Speaker
Spaghetti is the energy of the album. Absolutely. I. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to say. The album just fucking slaps. I think that it is going to be. You know, I kind of agree with Stevie Wonder, and I think that this is going to be one of the most talked about albums for quite some time. Like it's just people can't stop talking about it. And and as we see more black artists kind of in country and hopefully, you know,
00:14:52
Speaker
popularized, if that's a word, in-country music. I think that, again, that's a cultural shift. So that album is something that has helped with that shift. So of course, I hope somebody talked about it. I mean, I think we're going to be talking about these three acts together for a long time. But yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, which earlier today, everyone, I texted Jeff because, and the reason why I asked you this is because I was walking through the grocery store because I'd picked up some Brussels sprouts.
00:15:22
Speaker
And I heard Nickelbacks, you remind how you remind me on the radio. And I was like, what are your thoughts on Beyonce covering this for act three? I think I think we got a sick. I love that song. It's a banger, but I don't know. It would have to be very different. It can't be like her Blackbird or Jolene covers were in the same. They're in the same key. Right. I think it would have to be very different.
00:15:45
Speaker
It's going to be, it's going to be the same key and produced by Chad Kroger. Right. Well, that's, I mean, Blackboard is the same, you know, there's not very many, there's not a lot of differences.
00:15:55
Speaker
Well, did I said, did you see the thing that I sent you where it like it is apparently part of the original? Well, you can hear it. You can hear it. You can hear that. It's like I, when I heard it, I'm like, this is identical because I know that song like the back of my hand. Yeah. So I'm like, this is identical to Blackbird. Yeah. That's so cool. That's so cool. It's so cool. And even Jolene, Jolene's very similar to the original as well. Yeah.
00:16:19
Speaker
So it's a Nickelback cover would be funny. Again, I feel like a Mariah interview. I'm like, I don't know how that would sound. Um, I don't know how that would sound. I would love for her to cover Nirvana. That would be a huge moment because Nirvana spirit. Absolutely.
00:16:37
Speaker
Yeah, for the listeners out there, there was actually a really famous mashup back in the early aughts of Smells Like Teen Spirit with Bootylicious. I used to hear it all the time and like Hot Topic and like the mall stores. And like in the early days of like, it was back, I want to say it was probably back around like 2003. Remember when that like mashup album with Lincoln Park and Jay-Z came out and like mashups kind of blew up? No. No, you don't remember this?
00:17:05
Speaker
No. Oh, my goodness. So this is like was this like numb, like numb era, Linkin Park, numb or in the end. Yeah. So Jay-Z and Linkin Park released a mashup album together. Chester. I don't remember this at all. Really? No, it was a moment. Yeah. I want to say this is roughly somewhere between 2002 and 2004, somewhere around there. Did any did any songs like do well? Yeah. I want to say it was numb encore like Jay-Z was on encore because I know that song from them, but I don't know that song with him on it.
00:17:34
Speaker
Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. And so, but yeah, there was a famous mashup around the same time that was booty-licious with the instrumental of Smells Like Teen Spirit worked insanely well. So if she does cover it, I would love, if for, in some- Kelly and Michelle. Oh my God. It would be awesome. It would be so good. And maybe even interpolate some of that mashup or bring that mashup, just recreate it.
00:18:01
Speaker
Come As You Are by Nina Nirvana is one of my favorite songs by them and I'm thinking about that, she would kill that one. I don't know that song. It was a big hit of theirs. Okay. I only know Nirvana, so I only know Smells Like Teen Spirit and there was a song, was it called Rape Me? Yeah, that's a song. I mean, I'm surprised you know that.
00:18:21
Speaker
I just remember MTV playing a club of it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah. And then someone on Twitter had suggested her doing dream on by Aerosmith, which I think that would, that would kill. That'd be awesome. Especially with those vocals that she's doing in American Requiem. Oh my gosh. No, I wonder if she'll lean more into that sound versus like, cause again, there's so many rock elements on cowboy Carter, like you could throw a Beatles song on a rock album. They're rock, you know, more than they are country. So I,
00:18:52
Speaker
I wonder how if she'll stay away from those more folksy rock songs and go towards the
00:18:56
Speaker
you know, metal jam, like let's like really get into it kind of. So that would be so like like Black Cat or like Enter Sandman or yes, which another widget, which was another like viral mashup moment. There's this group called I think they're from Italy, actually DJs from Mars. They would do mashups of songs, but also incorporate their own original elements to the songs as well.
00:19:25
Speaker
And they did an incredible mashup remix of telephone with enter Sandman to the point where back in the day, like that probably became more played for me than the original version itself. And so that would be a cool moment to to see if she did like enter Sandman or I don't know. I'm just I'm open to anything. Beyonce release whatever the hell you want. Period.
Album Reflections and Trends
00:19:52
Speaker
Just saying like, God, like
00:19:55
Speaker
I mean, there's, there's, there's not much else to say other than it's an incredible album. It's holding up. We're not getting sick of it. And it's, it's very similar energy to Renaissance. Like it's, it's, it's definitely doing what it need to did it accomplished what it needed to accomplish. And we're obsessed. We're, we love, you know, we love it. We love it. Um, can you believe that, uh, Demita Joe is 20 years old all of a sudden.
00:20:21
Speaker
Wait, so when what days did that turn 20? Like it was a couple of days ago or it was like it was last Saturday. It was so the day after the release of Calvin Carter, Demita Joe turned 20. Why? Oh, baby. 20. Why? Oh, 20. Why? Oh, which is crazy to think about because considering how 20. Why? Oh, that's weird to think about. Whoa.
00:20:48
Speaker
So like 20YO, Janet's album was called 20YO because it was 20 years after control was released, which felt like such a huge time span. And now that like,
00:21:00
Speaker
I'm telling you it really wow. It's it's weird. There's something and maybe it's just because we're getting older, but there's something about being in the 2000s. I think like we're we're in the year of our Lord 2024, right? Yeah. So when you say like 2000 for 20 years ago, it blows my mind. But when you told me that in the early 2000s that the 80s was 20 years ago, like it made sense. 100%. I don't know what's I don't know. And maybe it's just like we're in the 2000s versus like the 80s, 90s, 70s, like specific like number decades like that.
00:21:30
Speaker
I don't know. There's something weird, but it's crazy to me. To say 1986 was what? Almost 40 years ago. Stop. Don't you dare. Control will be 40 years old. Don't you even dare. In two years. Control will be 40 years old in two years. Stop. It sounds weird. It doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound right because I will be 41 when that turns 40. That is insane.
00:21:58
Speaker
Oh, we're gonna have to retire. I'm gonna find another co host. It's right. I probably will. This is now that's really wild to think about. And I want to say I personally think that the reason for I feel like part of the reason why that sound like that just doesn't
00:22:13
Speaker
seem to track in our brains is that I feel like the 80s had a very specific kind of sound, right? And then, I mean, you could say that about the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and even the early 2000s, call me crazy. But I feel like once we got towards the end of the early aughts decade, I feel like that's when music started getting a little bit more
00:22:38
Speaker
Homogenous. Yeah. Yeah. And I started getting I just but also like everyone's into nostalgia now. So they're like recreating all of those sounds, whether it's disco or 80 cents or whatever. Right. So it's almost kind of like new. Like, I mean, maybe that's maybe that's it. It is. It is weird, though, if when you think about it, like I'm trying to think of an album that came out in 2014. Right.
00:23:06
Speaker
Ariana Grande, yours truly. Jeez. Oh my God. So the fact that that's 10 years old blows my mind, right? But in 2014, when you think about an album from 2004, like, you know, Gwen Stefani's LAMB, like that feels so different, but yours truly doesn't feel like that long ago. Does that make sense? But in 2014, an album from 2004 felt like a long time ago.
00:23:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's just because I mean, I think I feel like a lot of producers these days are using drum kits and things that are kind of either provided for them through different computer sources. I don't know. I don't I really don't know production that well. So like if anyone knows production, let us know. But I just yeah, I feel like. I feel like technology is making it. I don't know some sort of it just makes it all sound the same.
00:23:59
Speaker
Well, it's also going back to the sleepy trap beats of it all. It's just going back to like similar sounds and people using disco, too. I mean, they're just really losing some of these similar and a lot of music these days. It's very stripped back regardless of the genre. Like I just feel like like like Houdini is a really good example of that. Training season is a really good example of that. We're like, yes, they're like disco funk songs, but I feel like they're really I don't know Houdini stripped back. I don't feel that way.
00:24:28
Speaker
I do. I feel like there's an element missing. I feel like there's something missing, but I don't think it's stripped back. Yeah, I don't know. There's something about it to me that feels stripped back.
00:24:38
Speaker
But I feel it that way about a lot of music. I feel like there's a lot of minimalism in music these days. I feel like songs don't explode as much anymore. I think for me, a big thing too, like with Houdini, I don't think it's the instrumentals. I don't think it's the production per se. I think a lot of it has to do with the verse, the chorus, the melodies, and then exploding in that way, because we just don't really have that. And so a lot of simplistic melodies and a lot of songs. Did you listen to the snuff of illusion?
00:25:06
Speaker
I did and I was like, oh, Zach's gonna like this. I like the sound of it, but also I'm kind of like, oh, it's still, I can tell, to your point, I can tell even with the snippet, I'm like, there's still something a little simple about it. Yes. Okay. I know you love him. I know you love him. I know you love Tame Impala, but get Kevin Parker away from her.
00:25:31
Speaker
I don't think that's it. I don't think that's it. I think it just sounds like Joe Aliba bonus tracks doesn't sound like Kevin Parker was working with. It just sounds like a bonus track that was scrapped for one of her previous albums. Like it doesn't sound exciting and it's simple. Yeah. What were your thoughts on his stuff with Lady Gaga? Were you familiar with the Joanne album? Tame Impala worked with Joanne.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Bitch, the way I'd had no idea. What songs? What songs? He like co-produced the entire album with her. It was like him, Mark Ronson, and Blood Pop. Like he worked on Perfect Illusion. You're blowing my mind right now. I had no idea. But around that time is when he released some of his best work. Okay. And his music is far from simple and stripped back.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, he worked. So Joanne is my least favorite Lady Gaga album. It's every gay's least favorite. I know. I know. But like there are a handful of tracks that I do enjoy. So I'm but I am not as familiar with the production credits of that album. But I do know that he is on a lot of the songs. I forget which ones, but I do know that Perfect Illusion is one of them. And so that song.
00:26:42
Speaker
So really all my, because I don't really listen to tame Impala, so my only experience with Kevin Parker is Perfect Illusion and these new duo Lipa songs. And I'm good. Just saying. When we get together, I'm going to make you listen to some of it. It's truly incredible. The layers, he's a genius. He really is. I don't want my Impala tame. I want it wild and crazy.
00:27:07
Speaker
No, he's amazing. And all, I mean, all artists from my understanding, like a lot of people just want to work with him because he's truly so innovative, creative, and it's far from simple. His music, you know, it's a lot of psychedelic funk. I mean, it is, but it's just this song.
00:27:26
Speaker
And the only part I liked about it was like the, because I, we just heard like a snippet, right? But like, yeah, it kind of like echoes that came in or whatever. Like I liked that. The post chorus sounds like a dance song. Like I'm like, maybe I was like, Zach's probably gonna like this, but I. Yeah. I think I told you, like, I don't know about radical flop to Mism radical flop to Mism. I don't know. She's making me really nervous. I will say.
00:27:54
Speaker
This is how I feel about the singles thus far. I do like training season. Houdini does not have the replay factor the way that we initially thought it would for me. Illusion does sound promising, but I am also reserving my excitement now because of the way that the other singles have turned out.
00:28:13
Speaker
I feel like at least from the snippet that we got, it feels like it feels close to hallucinate from feature nostalgia, which I feel like was one of the songs that for me was one of the standout tracks because it was more in the like dance realm versus disco. And so that's what I liked about it. It's like a pop pop banger, too.
00:28:38
Speaker
Yeah, and so which I feel like is a move that she probably should have taken.
00:28:45
Speaker
past feature nostalgia because dance music is so in the vein of disco, but like make it new, make it fun, make it fresh. You know, there's different ways you can go about it, I guess is what I'm trying to say. All of the songs she's released thus far have lacked like an explosive moment, though. There was a lot of explosive moments on future nostalgia. Right. Or just like cool moments. You know, like Houdini is still my favorite out of the bunch, but
00:29:14
Speaker
Yeah. They're all just kind of the melodies are simple. They're kind of boring. I don't love the melodies. I don't love the chorus really. And I did, I did. I really don't like training season that much. Really? Yeah. No, it's like, okay. It's very mid, you know, it's not, it's something like I downloaded and maybe listened to like three times. Honestly, like I just not really feeling it.
00:29:37
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I haven't revisited a ton either. I'll be honest, a lot of music that has been released this year thus far has not gotten a lot of replay. No, not of me. The only the only thing I replay is orchid ass orchid ass. Oh, my God. Did that come out this year? Early January feels like forever ago. That feels like forever ago. I can't, but I can't also can't believe that we're already in April. Like that's blowing my mind. What is time? I don't get it. I know. And I'm nervous. I'm nervous for the Taylor Swift release. What are you nervous for?
00:30:07
Speaker
I'm just nervous because I told you like with the oversaturation, I just, I'm not ready for it. I feel like I'm, this is my thing with her. I go through waves of being a fan and not being a fan. Sure.
00:30:21
Speaker
And during her reputation in the lover era, I fell off and was like, I cannot listen to this woman. Like she just drove me nuts. I feel like I'm getting that feeling again. Cause I was so passionate about midnights. I loved midnights when it came out. I was like, this is great. You know, antihero, like all these songs, I, I'm getting that feeling again. Like I'm getting that kind of like, like I'm over it. I don't want anything from you.
00:30:44
Speaker
Sure. My coworker today, I had brought up because she's a giant Swifty and I was like, are you getting excited for Tortured Poets Department? I was like, it's only two weeks away. And she was like, yeah. And I was like, I was like, what are your hoping that this album is going to sound like? And she was like, I hope it's kind of a cross between folklore and midnights. And I was like, OK. I was like, yeah, I'm open to anything. I was like, OK. I was like, OK. I was like, I'll reserve my like reserve like
00:31:14
Speaker
any judgment until I hear it. Like, I don't want to have any high expectations. You hope that's what it sounds like. That's what they all sound like. Well, I said to her, I was like, she got a lot of criticism on the 1989 bonus tracks for sounding too much like Midnight's. And so I was like, I personally think it would be a smart move of her to move away from that sound. So I don't know. It's a country album. It's a country album. Oh, my gosh, it's it's it's Cowboy Swiftie.
00:31:42
Speaker
Cowboy Swiffer. Homophobic Taylor's version. Oh my gosh. She said Honk My Tonk. She used to say that. Yeah, I'm sure she did. She used to be Tim McGraw. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I mean, we'll see. I mean, she's got a Post Malone song. She's got. I know. I mean, I'm not excited for it even though I want to be. I want to be excited for it.
00:32:05
Speaker
I just don't know what to expect. I hope it's something completely different for her. I don't think it's going to be. It's gonna be singer-songwriter-y and that's okay. I just know it's gonna be like that. Insiders are saying it's pop. I don't know what that, again, I don't know what that means. I mean, yeah, you would classify her as pop, of course. But it's still singer-songwriter-y.
00:32:28
Speaker
I would love just the again, the way that the album aesthetic is, I would love I mean, it's gonna shock you. But I would love it if it had some sort of like 90s vibe element to it kind of like, I'm trying to think of a good way to describe it. You know the song? However, do you want it? However, do you need me?
00:32:52
Speaker
How do you own it? Like the instrumental of that song, I would love for her to like try to experiment with. I don't know if it would work or not, but or like, I don't know, like maybe a shot a type of thing shot a really tailored. Doing R&B music, R&B, like, I don't know. Yeah, just like something out of just something different, something. Try it. I think you know what I will say about her.
00:33:21
Speaker
Um, the only song I like on lover and sorry for the Swifties out there. I'm really sorry. I'm not trying to be a hater. Um, I, I, I liked lover the song a lot because I think what is that genre, that genre of like, you know, who Massey star is and like these dream, this like dream pop. It's like dreamy pop. I think it's called like shoestring music or something.
00:33:44
Speaker
Shoo shoelace or shoestring. I swear it's like it's like something like that. But you don't know who Mazzy star is. I've never heard of this for Mazzy star and Mazzy why fate fade into you is her big hit from the 90s. It's like this dream pop vibe. It's very that lover is very influenced by Mazzy star for sure. Gotcha. Sorry if I'm pronouncing her name wrong, but I like that sound and maybe that kind of dream pop.
00:34:11
Speaker
would maybe lean into more of that. That could be cool. That would be a little different at least. Yeah. Yeah. So I would like that. You know, I think her voice really lends well to that sound.
Janet Jackson's Legacy and Challenges
00:34:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I guess we'll find out. I mean, I still want to dance album, but I'm probably never going to get that. So whatever. We literally we literally skipped right over Miss Demita Joe, though.
00:34:34
Speaker
We did. We're sorry, Janet. We got way off track and we're sorry. We are so sorry, Janet. But yeah, D'Amita Joe is 20 years old. That's fucking crazy. That is crazy. Not my favorite Janet album, but still a bop of bop. Bops after bops. Yeah, I'm with you. There's I would say half the album I absolutely love. And then there's half of the album that I could kind of do without. Yeah, like I just don't I don't necessarily revisit a lot of the tracks. The sex songs on this album are
00:35:03
Speaker
They are the craziest of her career, I would say. And you thought you thought would you mind was was the peak, right? Like, that's what I would have thought. No, she was like, I'm going to one up this fucking would you mind shit? I'm going to create a song called Warmth and a song called Moist. And I think they're back to back, right?
00:35:22
Speaker
I'm looking at the track list. Let me see. I want to say yes, that's too much. I think warmth should have cut one of those, babe. She well, because I if I remember correctly, I believe it starts with warmth and then it goes into moist. The warmth of my mouth. The warmth of my mouth. And then the part where she's like she's there's like a spoken word part and then you hear there's something in her mouth.
00:35:48
Speaker
It's too much. It's too much. I can't. It's but you know what? But I know I never really liked warmth. I thought that warmth like overall was kind of a boring song. But I love moist. I love the like the. Suck a number with ice in your mouth. So good. You make me so moist.
00:36:08
Speaker
Oh, what a horrible word. I know. What a horrible word, but there's some, I mean, there's some amazing songs in this album. And we talked about this before, I think probably in previous episodes, but being really big Janda fans, being totally upset by her, getting the shaft after the Superbowl unfairly and just derailing her career.
00:36:25
Speaker
All night would have been a number one smash hit. I predict I would, I like, if I could predict what that would have looked like in an alternate universe. Yeah. I really do feel like it was the perfect song for 2004 at the time. 100%. And it would have done really well. Did you know that that song is co-produced by blood giant who did Britney's toxic? Okay. Well, there you go. There you have it. There it is. It's it's a smash.
00:36:49
Speaker
It really is it's it's and it's a fan favorite to like fans love that song. That is, it's in the music videos sexy, but like, and also time. I mean, 20 years old, that song could be released today production untouched. And I think totally got to sample it soon, I would think.
00:37:06
Speaker
Yeah, I want to say that that song itself samples a Herbie Hancock song. I don't remember which one fully loaded fully. Yeah. And but yeah, what a smash song that song should have been. And my favorite song in the album, I want to hear what yours is because my favorite song of the album is Island Life.
00:37:29
Speaker
Oh, what a great song. Give me the highlight. It's one of my favorite parts of a song. Put me on a fucking beach. Put me like that takes me to spring break, like instantly, instantly spring break. My favorite song in the album. Oh, it might be a tie between all night and R&B junkie. R&B junkie is also smashed. I feel like that would have been a good a good one to to do well.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yeah, R&B Junkie was actually supposed to be a single. It was scheduled to be a single, I think, after All Night. Obviously, the album did not perform while she was blacklisted from radio, yada, yada, yada. So they canceled the release, but there were some remixes that were commissioned for that song by different DJs. I think one of them was Tony Moran, who was a pretty big DJ at the time, and then Dr. Octavo, which was a bit kind of an up and coming DJ at the time.
00:38:26
Speaker
Um, but yeah, the song, I think got like a promo release in the clubs, but it never got a fully developed single release, which is sad for me. I'm thinking of the time too. Like it was very smart to kind of, I'm going to do like a little eighties throwback, you know? Yeah. I think Mariah, Mariah talks about that in her book in terms of like glitter, like no one was doing that. So for, for Janet to be like, I'm going to give you a banger of a song and reference the eighties when not really
00:38:52
Speaker
A lot of people are now, now people are talk about referencing the eighties. I am done with that specific 80s sound that we know I've done with that. But at this time, very fresh, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's a great, it's a great song. What does she say at the end? She's like, I want to dance with my baby. Yeah. I want to dance with my baby. I want to dance with my baby.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, she and then that goes into I think is it I want you or is it my baby? This is my baby. No, it's all night R&B junkie. And then I want you. It is. I want you. Okay. I want you was the second single, which was produced by Kanye West.
00:39:35
Speaker
Yeah Kanye West on this album. Yeah, which is a smart move at the time because like he was kind of an up-and-coming artist at that time, which is kind of weird to think about.
Nostalgia and Unreleased Music
00:39:43
Speaker
He was on Efridiziac where he was on so many different albums this year. Yeah, he also did a remix of Britney's Me Against the Music. That was my first introduction. And I love old Kanye West. I know a lot of people say that. It's such a dumb
00:40:00
Speaker
like not interesting comment, but he's still problematic now, but his old music. I was listening to it the other day, too, like I was listening to late registration. I love that album. Yeah. Love. Oh, so many good songs. Is that the album with new workout plan? It's one with Gold Digger. Oh, OK. So it was the follow up.
00:40:20
Speaker
It's the follow up. Yeah. Late registration is the follow up. The first one's college dropout. OK. Right. I think. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. But back to D'Amita Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Sex exhibition. What are your thoughts on that song? Not one of my favorites. Oh, really? Oh, I love that song. Yeah, I know. I know. I love it. Also, Strawberry Bounce. It's something that gets in my head all the time. It's such a weird little song. Boats. Yeah, it really is.
00:40:49
Speaker
Which that bounce that you hear is a sample from Jay-Z's Can I Get A, which I think is really fun. I also have a newfound appreciation for Demita Jo, the song, after the concert. I was laughing with Chase recently about this for like, remember how she was just like obsessed with that song. She's just like, I'm sorry that no one wants to hear this, but I'm playing it.
00:41:13
Speaker
Yeah, I say I'm going to open. I'm going to open my show with a deep cut that no one knows. I love that song reminds me of like, like she should come out in a boxing outfit. She should. That's what that gives me. It's yeah. Oh, like to meet a Joe. Yeah. That was gosh, that take me back to that concert. Oh my gosh. We're like approaching the anniversary of going to see that concert.
00:41:37
Speaker
I know she's going to be here this year too. You should come. I should. When? Yeah. I think I want to say July. I want to say July. So it'd be fun. Yeah. I already have my outfit planned. Okay. Great. Great. You remember that orange top again?
00:41:52
Speaker
Yeah, right. Yeah, and you know what I loved about that concert too is when she opened with the actually so like from before she got on stage like the kind of intro video photo video montage that she did was soundtrack to
00:42:08
Speaker
the just blaze remix of just a little while, which like at the time was kind of like true of remixes, which were basically just brand new songs, you know, that might have like one phrase or one word similar. But that is a club smash. And because of the anniversary of Demita Joe, she recently made a post on Instagram saying like,
00:42:30
Speaker
You know, happy 20th to this album. Yeah. And she was like, stay tuned for some surprises. And I'm really hoping that she puts that song on streaming because that is a classic. And I know I hope I hope all the girls start doing this trend. Like I want more rarity, so to speak, from these artists. Like I would love to hear unreleased things. You know, I really love that.
00:42:51
Speaker
Are you familiar? I might have sent it to you. Are you familiar with the song rough? That was produced by the Neptunes that she so she there was a song that she had recorded for all for you called rough produced by the Neptunes. Is it sexual?
00:43:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that is not is like not in like a would you mind manner? But yeah, it's like it's. Well, why? Yeah. Yeah. But she they held it off the album and then apparently saved it for Demita Joe and then held it off Demita Joe as well. And I don't know why the beat ended up being given to Noriega, who I'm not. Do you know who Noriega is? Some some rapper from the early 2000s.
00:43:35
Speaker
But it is a classic beat from the Neptunes that is so good. There's a leak online. You know I love the Neptunes. Anything Pharrell. You would love it. You would love it. And so the song remained unreleased for years. And then when she did her Vegas residency, the Metamorphosis residency, she used it as an interlude between two songs or whatever, and people went nuts.
00:44:02
Speaker
And so I'm just kind of like, oh, my God, that would be so good, too, if she put that on streaming. But I don't know if she would because of the Noriega song. So do you remember after your songs, we don't talk about enough. She then had a free zone and like a mashup of like free zone and throb and throb. And she did the black street, the black street feature. Yep. You're you're you're like, that's me. No, I firmly believe that the girlfriend boyfriend had to have been from me.
00:44:29
Speaker
Well, something that goes viral on the internet, you know, her team sees that. Yeah, I like I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I don't think I really realize sometimes the reach that I have. But I, I don't know a single other person that stands girlfriend boyfriend the way that I do. And for her to all of a sudden, then put that on the set list of all songs.
00:44:54
Speaker
And it was and I want to say that was only a couple of months after I had made a meme about it, too. So I was just kind of like a free zone. And yeah, it's just strange that those were the songs she included. Yeah, I was just kind of like, oh, my God. Well, that set list was great. I mean, one of her dancers does follow me. So yeah. Yeah. This is viral. Look at everyone's having fun with this viral moment. You should do this. You know, like you never know.
00:45:19
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Shout out to you, Garo. But yeah, I mean. Yeah, I'm excited for the the little little breadcrumbs she gives us from. Yeah. This anniversary. She there. There's also a couple of bonus tracks that were on like, you know, the Japanese bonus tracks, I think put your hands on. And what was the other one called?
00:45:43
Speaker
It says I'm here. I'm here. I think I'm here as a ballad. Put your hands on this kind of like a mid tempo R&B number. Both cute songs would love to hear those have those on streaming. Also, an unreleased song from this era that I think I'm curious to know like what actually happened with this song.
00:46:04
Speaker
but it's called pops up and it's produced by Rich Harrison of like crazy and love fame. He produced sugar mama and frequent dress by Beyonce. So it's very much that sound. Um, and it's about her sitting on a lap on a guy's lap and him getting a boner.
00:46:23
Speaker
Also, also this bonus track I'm looking put your put your hands on. It's just one of the writers, Karen Poole of Kylie Kylie Minogue. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. What an album. What a. Also, I think that there's a favorite on this. Yeah. Like You Love Me. Like You Don't Love, which I wish you also did at our concert. I don't remember that.
00:46:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's a song that I'm kind of like, I'm kind of like. It's fine for me, but set fans seems to really love it, but. Yeah, all in all, there was some definite. There was some songs that deserve their time in the sun, you know, that didn't. It's unfortunate. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what it was. We'll see what she gives us. I'm still. Janet, I'm still waiting for Black Diamond. You announced that. Right. Right. Or that or that song that we got at the end of the concert. And then what happened to that?
00:47:18
Speaker
She didn't play that at any other concert. What she said, she's like, this is snippet of my new song. Of my new song for you guys. It's my new song. And then she played a minute of it. My shoulder. My shoulder. She played like a minute, maybe a minute and a half of it, and then she stopped it and then went on as if nothing happened. And we were screaming. Screaming. Yeah. What happened to it? What happened to it?
00:47:47
Speaker
She's, and then she also in her documentary, she teased a new song at the end, like the end credits. I'm yeah. You know what? She is exhausting. We're not going to your concert at that. Don't get me, you know, I love her, but do not get me started on that documentary. Oh my gosh. What the fuck was that? We, I mean, I am glad that I didn't fly to see you to watch it because four hours was not like four parts.
00:48:15
Speaker
four parts, it was like, I think, yeah. It was four hours of a Wikipedia article. That's what it was. Yeah, and unfortunately we did not get much, anything new. And that's, again, that's fine, but she's like, oh, untold, these are my secrets, I'm finally telling my truth. Yeah. Where was the truth? It was the truth in the room with us? Yeah, the truth. Because we knew everything.
00:48:42
Speaker
because because they asked you how was Joe and you're like, oh, not a problem. He was wonderful. Like, what? We're supposed to believe that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think for at least for me, the most exciting part of it was we did get to see some unreleased footage of her and Michael writing scream together. That was cool because that was a huge moment in pop culture history. But
00:49:08
Speaker
I would have I felt like it didn't focus enough on her actual career. You know, it didn't like like the way that again, people just don't understand like you and I understand this, but people don't understand that Janet was essentially on the level of her brother and Madonna and all these other huge performers.
00:49:31
Speaker
pre Super Bowl, and as you said earlier, Super Bowl derailed her career, and I don't wanna drag on that subject, but I felt like this documentary was a moment to really showcase that better, and I don't think that they did a good job of doing that. Which is good. I absolutely agree with that. Yeah, I mean, she had, she was the artist, one of the artists, do you know what I mean? The artist, you were waiting for her to move. And still should be thought of that way because of all her massive hits.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like that legacy is building back up slowly, but surely. And I think that this, I think that her touring again is helping with that. I think that people are unfortunately with the newer generation though. I mean, we were at that concert. It was, it was a lot of older folks, which there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying like, yeah, it's not like the newer generation is going to those tours.
00:50:21
Speaker
her team, she needs to get someone on her team that is in touch with how things go viral. She needs to get you know what also actually I was talking about this DJ with DJ john Michael, that she was one of the artists that was affected by there was like a fire in some record label had like fires that destroyed lots of like, like the Library of Alexandria.
00:50:49
Speaker
Yes, just like that. But truly, and Janet was one of those people, so I don't, she lost some things in this, which is really sad. But like, I'm just thinking like, you know, like Mariah, like Madonna, like a bunch of these other, Cher, like all these other artists are in on the trend of like releasing deluxe versions of their albums, things like that. She's done a little bit of that, but there's so much more that she could be doing.
00:51:17
Speaker
And she's not, and not really her, but like her team, right? Her team. Yeah. Her team. Yeah. And we talked about this at nauseam, but the production as well of the concerts, right? She's capable of better. She's capable of better. And that's, that's okay. We sell it again. One of the most fun concerts we've ever been to. Right. The, the energy's unmatched. It really is the, her fans are fun.
00:51:39
Speaker
I, that's so fun. And I still, by the end of that night club, our section was a nightclub. We were like, everyone was just having the time of their life. I also just love to, this is like, it has nothing really to do with the concert, but I love how quickly we got out of that concert and got home. That's a great arena. I love that. We lucked out. Yeah, that's a great, I've seen concerts there before. I love that stadium.
00:52:03
Speaker
Do you remember the Uber driver on the way there? We were like, what's your favorite Janet Jackson song? And he named that most obscure song that she did backing vocals for. Which were like, oh, my God. Appreciate. Appreciate that. He could have been like rhythm nation. You know, he could he could have said anything. So I do remember that. That's so funny. Also, just for our audience out there, this was the same night as the era's tour was in town. Era's tour right across the street. Yep. So we had to getting out of there like after. Remember, we had to like walk.
00:52:33
Speaker
And NBA playoffs, right? Well, they switched the day of one of the dates of her tour, I think, because of the NBA playoffs. Right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, why? What's that? We were like, what is that? What's a what's an NBA? Is that what you what Beyonce makes for people? Yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, that was a while. That was a fun weekend.
00:52:58
Speaker
Very fun. Yeah. Like I said, you should come to summer because she's touring again. She's there. Same tour. Same tour. Nothing new. Same old shit. No, I'm excited. I would gladly say that concert again. That was so much fun. So I think it'll be outside. Hopefully maybe. Oh, that would be fun. So, okay. So maybe show a little. She loves Atlanta. She does. And Atlanta loves her. Yeah. I mean, she brought out JD.
00:53:26
Speaker
She sure did. And she ludicrous beforehand. Yeah. Although, I mean, we've I think we've talked about this too, but I think Nellie's on tour with her this time. That's what I thought. Yeah, that pretty sure. So he doesn't. Does Ashanti live in Atlanta? I don't know. Remember I saw her in the park. Yeah. I don't know if she lives here. She might have a house here. OK, but I don't think so. Oh, my God. If she's if Nellie's with her. Oh, my. I love Nellie. Band-aids and all, baby.
00:53:56
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I want him. Oh, do you think that they, I wonder if they do call on me together. Cause they did that song from 20 YO. Yeah. I mean, that would make sense. Yeah. That'd be kind of, he comes back out, perform a little song, do a little, do a little duet moment with Jenny. Jenny, let's do this when we're talking. Talk about, talk about rap and country crossover, by the way, Nelly and Tim McGraw, right? Right. Which I feel like at the time had no controversy. I loved that song. I still do.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yeah, it was a huge hit. It's a great melody. Huge hit. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun, that was a fun like double album moment from him, from Nelly. Ooh, I think that's gonna be a way- Till you head back. Till you head back. I was just gonna say that was gonna, that was gonna, you just stole my songs, we don't talk about enough. I fucking love that song. I guess we can go there. That song, such a good song. Precursor to Christina's Back to Basics album.
00:54:51
Speaker
Wow. What a smash. And fun fact was originally written for Britney Spears and Britney Spears. There is a demo online that leaked of Britney singing it. It went to the right. It went to the right house. Oh, for sure. It went to the right house. Yeah. We love Britney. We love you, Britney. But that is it. That's a vocal. Then you did a vocal moment. Yeah, it really did. The beginning of that song too. Like that whole intro. Love horns. Yeah. I love when an art like very deja vu, like
00:55:21
Speaker
Tell me what's about to come on the song. Do you know what I mean? In a way. Right, yeah. Like, give it to me. High hat. Yes. Jay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh my gosh. Which kind of does that in Yaya? A little bit. We gonna do what I do in Yaya? Absolutely. Are you kidding? Ladies. Hello, Beyonce. Fellas. You're pretty swell.
00:55:48
Speaker
Oh my gosh. What does it mean? It was just, I got them slugs in my mouth and I don't take them out. Was it like a slug? Oh, I don't know. See, I'm still learning the lyrics of the album and that's one of the songs that there's a, there's a lot of lyrics, but I'm actually shocked at how fast I'm learning them too. Like I was singing, I was jump roping today. I've been jump roping and I'm a jump roper and I was singing along to Riverdance, like the entire song. I was like, Oh my God, I know this already. Same. I'm like, I know my rose.
00:56:17
Speaker
Yes. Jeff, do you have a song that we don't talk about enough? Yeah. I'm going to go with the Janet Jackson song. I heard it in the car the other day. I always think of you because you got me excited about the song. It wasn't one that I ever like gravitated towards, but now it's one of my favorites. So.
00:56:32
Speaker
on all for you. Come on, get up is such a fun light. Like you just want to go out with your girls and like, have a good day. You know, the sun is shining. The sun is shining. Come on, get up. Like, are you kidding? It's such a good song. I heard it at the gym the other day a couple of days ago and I was like, God, it just makes me happy. It's like immediate like serotonin.
00:56:55
Speaker
Immediate serotonin, there is sunshine in that song. There's vitamin D. As someone say, there's vitamin D in that song. Janet's like happy and like laughing. Like she's like, I love it. What I want to see is you shake that ass for me. So it's, uh, and then that, that like almost like Middle Eastern drum sample. That's like in the background. That was, that song was also supposed to be a single in the US. Shake it, baby. Like that part, shake it, baby. Oh baby. Yeah. The whistles.
00:57:24
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was a missed single opportunity. That should have been a single. So good. And it's so it's it would have been great follow up to all for you. It really would have. And that's very probably probably why they didn't because I feel like all for you, someone to call my lover and come on, get up all very summery, happy, breezy songs. So I see I see why they went with Son of the Gun, but well,
00:57:52
Speaker
Oh my God. Wait, can we talk about that for one second? I have a bone to pick with this. Give it to me. I fucking love that song and I would listen to it way more if it wasn't for Carly Simon. Okay. She, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but she ruins the fucking song and she drives me insane.
00:58:15
Speaker
I I can't I can't stand her in this song. I can't say that. Are you guys in my coffee? Like who's old drunk mom who just drank a bunch of Bailey's Irish cream hopped on the song. Get her off the track because I this is what I need from Janet. I need that song without her.
00:58:36
Speaker
Get the Carly off this off the track. I'm not watching that. She's so it's so like, oh, embarrassing. I feel embarrassed when I listen to it. Yeah, I I grew to appreciate it and like it for what it is. It's definitely a silly moment for sure. But I heard like it's just not my spoken word, like Beatnik poetry moment. Yeah, I'm sorry, but no, that was not it.
00:59:05
Speaker
Yeah, and then I just felt like it was just out of all the songs in that album. I'm like, this is what you chose as your third single. I think it would have been a great single without her, though. I think it's a great song.
00:59:17
Speaker
Well, they did do a single without her. They did a remix with Missy Elliott, and I don't think that it helps. I mean, it didn't help. I mean, the song, it didn't fully flop, but it wasn't a big hit. Oh, yeah. We watched the music video here, I think, actually. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:36
Speaker
Again, I don't I think there are other remixes of the song that I think are better. Like Rock Wilder did a remix of the song that I thought was really good. But yeah, the the song, I just felt like on the album, there are other songs that I would have probably gone with so many. Honestly, you know, it should have been a single is Too Way For You, the interlude.
00:59:58
Speaker
100% should have been a single I love I love that little like that like phone phone dialing Okay, but sorry anyways. What is your songs? We don't talk about enough. Do you have one?
01:00:10
Speaker
um gosh i mean you stole it but because you mentioned Nelly and i was like oh maybe i'll do tilt your head back um i will go with Janet as well and since we were talking about Demita Jo i'm gonna go with a song called Slow Love
01:00:30
Speaker
Slow Love. Not China Love. Not China Love. Oh, she has a lot of love songs. No, Slow Love. It is a really fun Euro dance pop number, which you know I love. I want to say that's also a Bloodshine Evant track and very reminiscent of Kylie Minogue at the time. Cute little banger number and does not get enough love, if you will.
01:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, so absolutely. That whole album doesn't get enough love. It doesn't. Happy 20th anniversary, baby. Little happy 20th little baby, Jenny. Well, we covered a lot of grounds today. We did. And sorry, but like we just had to give it to Beyonce half the episode because you got to give it a week. You know, we're still in awe. So it's just it just is what it is. You know, we're coming off of a high. We really are. And we probably will be on this high for a while.
01:01:26
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what's going to top it because honestly, within the next week, we're probably going to learn what like always been country is going to be. And we'll probably talk about that next episode and then she'll probably drop a remix and then we'll talk about that. It's essentially this essentially has become like a crime murder mystery solving podcast where it really is. We're like two cracked out crazy people trying to solve a case of like what's next.
01:01:53
Speaker
Mm hmm. She keeps slaying us. So we're dead. That was. That was the most cringe thing. Are you are you a gay from 2013? I am slaying my mom. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that person now slay diva shit in the mother toilet diva.
01:02:14
Speaker
Shred some mother Rella on that pizza, mommy. You blew up the mother toilet. Oh, my God. You. Well, on that note, let's let's say goodbye and listen to some cowboy Carter. Go listen to ya ya stream ya ya for good skin stream ya ya for good skin stream. Oh, Louisiana for a stream set of a gun with Carly Simon for bad skin.
01:02:42
Speaker
There we go to clog your pores. All right, ciao. Bye