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Brat Summer & Kesha
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We are back from summer break, baby! Jeff makes his triumphant return to the pod and is ready to talk all things "brat." Speaking of triumphant returns, we also take a dive into Kesha's brand new single and first release as an independent artist, "JOYRIDE." We also sprinkle some love to 2005 "dad rock," Robyn, and our beloved Lenny Kravitz.
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Return from Break and Introduction of Jeffrey Beach
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, hey, how y'all doing?
00:00:05
Speaker
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Pop Theory. Sorry we completely forgot to let you know that we were going on summer break. It's summertime. We're busy little bees. And we've been just enjoying the summer. I had a birthday. I'm in my last year of my 30s, which is really crazy. So apologies for not notifying everyone sooner. Sometimes things slip through the cracks.
Tumblr and Twitter Culture on Scream and Emma Roberts
00:00:29
Speaker
But you might have noticed that I said we.
00:00:32
Speaker
There's a little certain someone who is returning back to the pod after a little sabbatical. Please welcome back into your ears Jeffrey Beach. Surprise bitch. That's me. There's a Tumblr 2014 like reference for you.
00:00:52
Speaker
I love that. Is that the Emma Roberts from Scream? Yes, Emma Roberts from Scream. Also, an underrated show, not talked about enough. I've never seen it. I do feel like there is a cult that follows it on Twitter. But I've never seen it. I don't know what it's on.
Time Perception Since 2014
00:01:11
Speaker
It was an FX show, I think. It's in the Ryan Murphy universe. I think you would love it. There's some funny moments. But also, I haven't seen it. It was like 10 years ago.
00:01:21
Speaker
Right. I mean, this is what tumblr, when tumblr was a thing, you know? So this was a long time ago. I'm having a really hard time realizing and remembering that 2014 was 10 years ago. Like, to me, it feels like yesterday. Well, you know, it's funny you say that.
Internet's Reaction to Jeffrey's Absence
00:01:39
Speaker
Number one. Hi, everyone. I'm happy to be back.
00:01:44
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just, I just want to say, yeah, so I had a little bit of a break. But here we are. I hope you all missed me. If not, sorry to this man. Shout out to that one follower that was like, Is it me or did the other person leave the show?
00:02:03
Speaker
That other person? I forget what the comment was, but you know what? That just shows that drama, the internet was going crazy. We broke the interwebs. We broke the interwebs. The internet was literally broken. People were like, what the hell? All hell broke loose. It was nuts. It really did. But no, it's funny you say that.
Charlie XCX Discussion: 'Sucker' Album
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Speaker
Time passing, right? And you're like, how has 10 years passed since 2004? 2005 will be...
00:02:31
Speaker
Well, not excuse me, not 2005. Oh my God, my brain 2014, 2015, excuse me in the tens. So I listened to the Charlie XCX pop theory episode today to kind of prep myself for this interview. No, I need a little bit of lube. If you will, lubricant.
00:02:50
Speaker
And, you know, you all brought up the point. I think you were talking about Charlie's like sucker album, which I believe is released in like 2014. And that that was my first introduction to her. And I was like kind of screaming like I was I should have been on this episode. I should be talking about this. I'm a brat. I'm a brat. I really, I really wanted to be there for that. You guys, I'm so sorry. I really, really wanted to be there for that because brat is AOTY and we'll get into that.
00:03:15
Speaker
I mean, maybe we should get into it right
Album 'Brat' and Its Cultural Impact
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now. You have been a full driving force behind Brat since its release. People are talking about- I threw the first Brat at Stonewall. You really did. I was so excited. Jeff was here in Michigan back in June. He was visiting his family.
00:03:38
Speaker
And so I made the little trip over to Port Huron to go visit them. And we were hanging out for two days. And Jeff and I, almost exclusively for those two days, listened to Brad nonstop. Yeah, nonstop. I mean, exclusively for the last month.
00:03:54
Speaker
exclusive for the last one, but like for you, but like it was, we- In the car, over and over and over. Over and over and every other time was guests. Right, right. We were trying to guess the color of each other's underwear. Every, everything we saw that was green, we had to say brat, which like it was a game you play when you're five, you know, watching cars on the freeway with your siblings. Which is now my new thing to do on Snapchat with you. Is that anything that is remotely brat colored? Yeah, you're getting good at it.
00:04:24
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I'm getting really good at it and there was a dumpster, I said dumping that. There was a traffic cone that I said constructing that. There was a pole and I said posting that. Posting that, yeah. Posting that. I was really bad myself. No, it was great. There was a leaf and I said leaf in that. No, it was a saga and I was watching it unfold as I got all of them kind of at once to digest them. Name a funnier person.
00:04:54
Speaker
Um, Tina Fey. Oh, okay. Well, you know what? She is funnier than me. Yeah. But yeah, a part, I mean, apart from maybe like, um, and I'm just going to say tough low. I'm not doing the whole two vey loop. No one's doing that except you. Okay.
Janet Jackson's Overlooked Legacy
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So I'm just going to say tough low, but apart from tell those EP that we were not listening to anything else besides Brad, there was, there's a tough low in there a little bit.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah, and then I forced you listen to my birthday playlist on my birthday evening on the way back from no it was two for a nail and then back you did because because I'm already struggling with mental health and you said what can I give Jeff to push him over the edge and it was it was that playlist
00:05:37
Speaker
And I said Gina G. I am determined to mention her name at least once on the podcast moving forward on every episode. So Gina G was present on this playlist. We had, you know, we had my Hex Hector on that playlist. What else was on there? There was a song on there that you just like looked at me and you're just like, wow. Oh, it was Paulina Rubio sexy dance. And you said something about like, it was like, this is the worst song I've ever heard.
00:06:00
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the worst song you ever heard. And you were like, you were like, this is the type of music that old gays listen to. And I've never felt older.
00:06:07
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Yeah, it's true. It's true. I never felt older. As a young 29-year-old, never felt older. Well, I told you this story, right? I mean, because I'm not even an old gay. I'm still in my 20s. I want everyone to know that. You are still in your 20s for a few more weeks. I'm in my 20s. I'm just saying, I am. I'm 29, obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Someone said I looked 25 the other day. Oh, oh my gosh. Congratulations. As I say, white don't crack.
00:06:34
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I'm just saying. Famously. Famously. They say that. No. But. No, it's gay don't fray. Gay don't fray. What? Gay don't fray. Gay don't fray. It sounds like you're saying like gator. Gator fray in like a Cajun accent or something. Gay don't fray. I'll forgive you for that. OK. One. OK. We'll move past it. OK.
00:07:02
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But where were we going with that? Worst song you've ever heard, Polyneurobio, sexy dance, men of a certain age, gay men of a certain age. Men of a certain age. So I might have told you the story before, but when I was at a bar in Tampa together again, came on at the bar. And of course, I was like, yes, a jam. You know, I was like feeling it. And there was like a 40 year old next to me, presumably 40s. Presumably. But he also knew the song, right? And again, I'm in my 20s, so I'm not a part of that.
00:07:32
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Right. You're not. Again, I'm in my twenties. Right. I'm in my twenties. You know, I'm an old soul, but some twink came up to me and he was like, what's that? That's like old people music. And he said that about Janet's together again. And then I had to leave. I'm surprised that like immediately I'm, I'm sorry. I'm surprised that like the second Stonewall uprising didn't happen right then and there. Like that's, that feels homophobic.
00:08:00
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It does. It feels wrong. I feel like we've talked about this before too, but I feel like Janet Jackson, though, the unfortunate thing about her and her music is that because of the Super Bowl incident, she was blacklisted from radio for at least 10 years. And so like the gays and the kids of, you know, today didn't really get raised on her because her music was not played as much as other artists.
Evolution of Pop Music and Mainstream Success
00:08:24
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Exactly, exactly. And we've talked about that before, but you know, what's funny is on the 4th of July, I hung out with my friend Chase. Shout out to Chase. Hey, Chase. Huge Janet fan. We'll be seeing her in a few weeks again here in Atlanta. And you are? Yeah, I told you this. You were going to come. I know. Oh my God, I'm so jealous. But you're not coming because you're a flop. So flop in that. Anyways. Flop in that.
00:08:49
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No, he brought his straight friends. And it was so funny because Chase and I got in a heated conversation about this. And we're like educating them. We're like, no, you don't understand what it was like. You don't understand what it's like. And the straight girl that we were with, she's like, yeah. She was like active listening. She was like, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Because we were so serious about it, it was like we could have been talking about some tragedy, like a war. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And I had to make them understand
00:09:19
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why, you know, she's lost upon a generation now, even though she has like, what, 10 number ones? 10 or 11, yeah. Yeah, I mean, she's like a massive artist. Ooh, hold on. I want to try to see if I can name them all. OK, hold on. It's going to be, when I think of you, it was her first number one. And then Missy Much. And then Escapade. Come back to me. Black Cat. So that's five.
00:09:48
Speaker
That's the way love goes. There was, oh, again. And then there was together again. All for you. That's nine. Right? Am I gonna- That's not all of them, right? Oh, doesn't really matter. Ten. Doesn't really matter.
00:10:13
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Yep. And that's it. I think that's it. I feel like I'm missing one. What am I missing? Love will never do was that at number one? Oh, love will never do without you. That's what it Yeah, that's the number one, right? Yes, that's the 11. The grocery store anthem. Every single time I am in the public's I hear that song. I'm no joke. jealous. I always hear it's funny that you brought up grocery store anthems because Danny Danny Pellegrino brought up Nick Lachey is what's left of me as being a grocery store anthem.
00:10:41
Speaker
Yeah. I forgot about that song. Right. And I laughed because I was like, that feels true, at least here in Midwest Michigan. Every time I walk into a mire, oh my god, I'm hearing that white dad rock, pop rock. Especially for 2005. You know what other song is very that? It's do, do, do, do.
00:11:02
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Howie Day. Oh my gosh, Howie Day. Is that that? Collide. Collide. Collide. Talk about a song you heard in every public bathroom for two years straight. Literally. And still do. You'll hear that. Same with, oh my god, Bad Day. Who did that? Oh god, I haven't heard it. Bad Day. Daniel Powder. Daniel Powder. Fuck. Bumping that. Right.
00:11:29
Speaker
I want to hear a 365 in the grocery store. That's all I want to hear. I want to hear it at Pilates. I want to hear it, you know, when I go to a coffee shop, when I go to a library. Especially in a library. Nothing says studying and literacy like 365. Nothing says literacy like that song. Exactly. You read, you study, you pay attention. French Medicare, turn the page. Wipe away the residue.
00:12:00
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Try the page. No, she says residue. Residue. Residue. Residue. Wait, wait, the residue. Oh, that is... Cut that. Maybe we'll leave it in. We'll see.
00:12:14
Speaker
Residue. Residue. Residue. The thing with Charlie, and I may have brought up this before, but I don't think I've been on the pod really since this whole thing has unfolded. Is that a word? No. Unfelt. Yeah. I think that, in fact, I don't even know if we really talked about Von Dutch at all. Maybe we did. No. You were with your friend Andrew during that one. Yes. Okay.
00:12:38
Speaker
I yeah, this album for me is AOTY period hands down. There's and sorry Beyonce. I love you. I love cowboy Carter, but
00:12:47
Speaker
I know. You're going public with this. Yeah. And I wasn't even a huge Charlie fan before this. I mean, loves her at Coachella. And I did get into her music more last year because of that. You did. You had a discovery moment with her last year. And Speed Drive was like my number one song of the year. You loved Speed Drive. I love Speed Drive. I famously did not like Speed Drive. And it's only two minutes, so it's easy to replay. Not even two minutes. It's a minute and 58 seconds. I will not give it the satisfaction of being two minutes.
00:13:16
Speaker
But regardless, this album, the chokehold it has had on me has been unprecedented as you know, like word we haven't used since 2020. And I just need I mean, the fact that you said to me that you need the remix album.
00:13:32
Speaker
will always be monumental in my books because you famously are not a remix person. You're not a remix gay like I am. We all know that Zach Rickle, aka Functioning Gay, remix fag, right? You, famously not, and you are ready for the remix album. You need it.
00:13:49
Speaker
I want it so badly, although I will say this is a perfect album. So it doesn't need, it doesn't need remixes in that way. You know, because what happened was here's what happened, right? I heard the boiler room set as a lot of people did. Yes. And I was blown away by some of those songs, specifically, specifically the snippet of Mean Girls.
00:14:15
Speaker
Holy shit, I could not believe what I was hearing. I had a visceral response, do you know what I mean? In my body, I was like, I need this song right now, yesterday. And then I heard the 365 easy fun mix, which I think I sent you today. You've heard it. That also went so hard and in such a big way. And I'm like, this is so... There's no other word for it than cunt.
00:14:45
Speaker
And I know the way I said that wasn't very like gay, it was kind of aggressive, you know? Yeah. It's like, it's like you were talking about her actual cunt. I said it, I said it as a straight man would say it like 20 years ago. It wasn't, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, yeah, it's cunt. It was like, cunt. Cunt. Which I didn't mean to say it like that, you know, but.
00:15:07
Speaker
You know, it's funny that you say that. That will be really quick. I've been, you know, I love
Charli XCX's Experimental Style and Impact
00:15:11
Speaker
my, my annual queerest folk reviewing, um, during the summer. And I was watching an episode of it the other day and one of the lesbian characters to a nurse goes, you vicious, homophobic cunts. And that's just, I've always loved that word. I love that. I like the way Austin's use it. Like you cheeky cunt, you know, like that's endearing cheeky cunt, you know, but anyways, you know, this, this album.
00:15:36
Speaker
So the remixes were what I heard first, right? And I liked B2B and Club Classics, but it wasn't like everything for me. I wasn't like sold on the album by any means, you know? So when I heard the snippets of 365 and Mean Girls, oh, and when 360 dropped, I was like fully ready for the album. I was like, this is Song of the Year for me. Like, yeah.
00:15:58
Speaker
love the music videos so much like it's such a moment it's you know it's really such a moment it's going to be definitely something that sticks out in my brain from this year um i love 360 so much so i was excited by that point you know and hearing the boiler room but then when i heard the album for the first time i was like this sounds totally different from
00:16:19
Speaker
Yeah. Everything I heard in the boiler room, which kind of at first was a little disappointing, but then I listened to the album again and kind of gave it a chance kind of without that context, you know, kind of like putting that to the side, just being like, let me listen to this with fresh ears again. And I was like blown away. And then from there, it just got like more addictive and more addictive, more addictive. And I'm like, I did have a moment where I was like, this is a perfect album.
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah it's good. I really I had a moment where I was like what I was just like wow blown away um not a huge fan of the ballads but
00:16:59
Speaker
They still kind of hold their place in the album. I love, I love actually what you said last episode. I was like, this is why Zach and I are friends. Like we are truly in sync because you said the, the, what is it? The third track. I think I might say something stupid, stupid, which I have to sing all of her songs in that accent. I do. I agree with you. I view it as like an interlude.
00:17:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's an issue. And for the context of where she is in her life, the storytelling of what's going on in her life, how she's feeling, that felt right. It feels right. Is it my favorite thing? Do I listen to it all the time? No. Right.
00:17:37
Speaker
But still I was like, I was like, this is why we're friends because you said exactly what I was thinking. And yeah, but, but all that to say, you know, this is a long winded way of saying like the album's amazing. I am very eager to hear the remix album. I love the deluxe. I love, I just love this whole album rollout. Is that what you call it? Like I just love,
00:18:00
Speaker
I love the branding of Brat. Brat is so meme-able. It has become this thing larger than life than I ever would have expected.
00:18:12
Speaker
also just like you know me I was sending you things I was like I'm only talking to you okay this is for the listeners out there there was a period of time where I'm like I'm only talking to you in brat font so I would go on the brat generator type things out and then send you and then send that's how he was texting me yeah so I was texting you like it truly is the most meme-able album I can I can ever think of
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah. And it really is. It really is. And that's kind of the brilliant part of the brilliance of this album is that because it got so much shit and so much flack at first when she announced the album and debuted the album cover, people were giving her so much shit for it. And now it's like you just said, it's become bigger than
00:18:51
Speaker
I mean, I don't know another album that has been this talked about in this memes this year, to be completely honest. And I mean, that's not to say that other albums haven't been successful. Obviously, the Tortured Poets Department has spent now 11 weeks at number one. Good job, Taylor. But like, I don't see people talking about it the way that people are talking about Brat.
00:19:16
Speaker
the way that brat has entered into the zeitgeist as like, it's a cultural phenomenon. 100% it is a is exactly right. It's a cultural phenomenon. That's a great way of putting it and Beyonce said it best herself cultural currency is like
00:19:33
Speaker
It's irreplaceable. She said, buy my sacred hair products. I don't give a fuck about my cowboy Carter album. Here's the hair products. That's what she said. OK, so anyways, let's talk about brat. Oh, I'm kidding. No, I love you. Obviously, I love cowboy Carter. I thought that was going to be my AOTY. I was shocked at something. I didn't think anything could surpass it. I was shocked that something as electronic was like your album of the year contender. Like me. Me too.
00:20:03
Speaker
You know me, I love, I truly love every genre of music, maybe except country, like modern day country. I truly love, I'm listening to, you know, indie, alternative, rock, funk, psychedelic, pop, rap, R&B, like I listen to everything. So if the music is good, I like it. You know, I'm just being real, like, and to see, you know what's been so gratifying too is,
00:20:29
Speaker
the reviews coming out about this album because you know you and me listen to it we're like wow this is a great album sometimes it's not especially historically with her she has not been given her flowers the way that she deserves right this album definitely is her piece de resistance you know oh okay okay intelligence
00:20:50
Speaker
Right. Okay. French, uh, you know, but I just, I was so happy to see just like her getting like, you know, this high metacritic score pitchfork, you know, named I was like an 8.9 pitchfork, which is pretty good. Yeah. Something like that. You know, just like all.
00:21:06
Speaker
All of these music critics were just absolutely, it was a critically acclaimed album and it's been such a gratifying thing to watch that happen because the album deserves it. It is so good. There's not really a flaw in the album, truly.
00:21:27
Speaker
Yeah, and it's nice too, because I mean, there's there she talks about that on the album. She talks about does she deserve commercial success? She talks about rewind. Yeah, like, which I think is so cool. I love that that's actually happening for her. I love that people are finally paying attention. And, you know, it took me some time to to really kind of understand because I think that Charlie XCX is a really good example of a pop star who
00:21:53
Speaker
like you know some certain people before her like experiments a lot with her music but experiments so much in a way where it can be kind of off-putting at first or seemingly off-putting at first like I know that her self-titled Charlie album there are certain songs on that album that at first I was like it's not for me and then I revisit now and I'm like okay now I now I understand the vision sometimes it just takes time right and so yeah she's not for everyone but that's why she's a brat
00:22:20
Speaker
Right, and historically, again, I've liked a lot of her music, especially since diving into it last year, but I don't like everything. And even now, I still don't like everything. I really think this is her best album, and I'm not hopping on the bandwagon of what's cool and trendy. I genuinely believe that from giving her albums a listen. It's the most cohesive, and it's just the most...
00:22:44
Speaker
It's weird. She struck like the perfect balance of like not giving a fuck, but also giving a lot of fucks. Does that make sense? Like it's like, she doesn't really care. Like she's going to put out what she wants, but the, the attention to detail is just so there that they're, I love that. I just love that.
00:23:02
Speaker
There's something really cool about certain artists like her or like Robin who are able to kind of just kind of create music. It's an interesting conversation because they can make music how they want to. They're not concerned about commercial success. So it's not about making music for, you know, the TikTok of it all necessarily. And maybe that's not true because Charli XCX is definitely TikTokable, but like,
00:23:29
Speaker
it's not meant for she's not making it to be like a radio hit, right? So she's kind of able to do whatever she wants. It's not generic. And now it's blowing up. And we see this happen time and time again, we see this time and time again, when artists are true to themselves and stick to their vision, we see them win in the end, you know, and it just takes a long time in her case, obviously, like,
00:23:51
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also it is cool, too, though, in this digital age of streaming and tick tock, where, you know, artists don't have to necessarily go down the traditional route of being signed to a major record label and having to do all of this.
Streaming and TikTok's Influence on Pop Music
00:24:07
Speaker
Granted, Charlie is signed to a major label, but still, you know. Right. And I consider her to be like.
00:24:13
Speaker
I don't know, kind of a mainstream artist. Like, she's not totally indie. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she has had success. It's not like she's not like, it's not like she's, you know, I don't even know how to compare her to. Well, okay. So I don't know if you heard the episode that I did with Jesse where we were talking about what is pop music.
00:24:33
Speaker
So my thing is, like, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, like, what is pop music? What is a mainstream artist? What is a hit? Because all of these things now within the last, I would say, 10 to 5, 5 to 10 years have been kind of redefined. Like, what I would consider a hit
00:24:54
Speaker
It isn't necessarily what a hit is nowadays. But I was thinking about this a lot in terms of even Robin. Is Robin a mainstream artist? Does Robin make pop music? Because a lot of people consider pop music needs to be popular. It needs to be known by the general public. And what's interesting about Robin is that she creates pop music that influences the zeitgeist
00:25:21
Speaker
but hasn't had actual mainstream success in the way that we think of it in decades. It's all been kind of underground and slowly surfaces to the top. I mean, Dancing On My Own has been one of the most referenced songs in the last 10 years.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah. And there's a lot of artists like that. I think of a tribe called Quest or something where they have this huge cult following, but are they that mainstream? No. Have they influenced a ton of rappers? Absolutely. So I think that that is a really good question. And it is hard to define. I think it's even harder to define now because life has changed so much with the TikTok of it all, like how that's used into our billboard charts. I mean, we see it all the time.
00:26:05
Speaker
I hate to bring this up. The TTPD, just want to throw up when I say this word. Yeah, when we talk about that, it's like, you know, she had one of the all 31 songs charted, like that didn't used to happen, obviously. So it's just like the landscape has changed and technology has evolved and it's just evolved, right? It's like, we're not
00:26:27
Speaker
You know, we're not listening to the radio anymore like that. So it makes sense. It makes sense. And it has just like you said, like the definition of that is changing and that's hard for you and me. That's hard.
Chappell Roan's Rise in Pop Culture
00:26:39
Speaker
Well, it's hard to because I sit here and I think like, okay, so what is a hit song these days? Because a lot of people sometimes they're like, oh, a hit just means like the quality of the song. And I'm like, okay, I understand to a degree, but I was like, that doesn't mean the song is like a success necessarily, right? Nowadays, I think a lot of people attribute it's like virality and streams to being a success. But then,
00:27:04
Speaker
It's on the Billboard Hot 100. I would say it doesn't necessarily chart in the Billboard Hot 100. But on the flip side of that, just because something charts high on the Billboard Hot 100 doesn't necessarily mean it has longevity or staying power either. I'll use Taylor Swift's Fortnite as a great example. Fortnite was number one for seven weeks on the, I think, seven weeks or maybe it was four weeks on the Hot 100.
00:27:32
Speaker
Where is it now? I dare someone to sing it. Like, that's the thing is like I if someone had a gun to gun to my head, sing the song, I would die. I'd be able to sing a little bit of it. Or I would use like an even better example is that song Trolls by Takashi six nine and Nicki Minaj. That was a number one single. It debuted at number one. That's wild. Wild. And I dare I dare really wild. I dare anyone to sing that song, rap it or whatever.
00:28:02
Speaker
Right. And that just goes to show too, it's just a mess. I mean, the Billboard Hot 100 has been a mess for a few years. It has been a mess. Let's be real. It's not what it used to be. And that's OK. I think things are just changing. And it's just different. Things are different. And just the way that people stream, I mean, it's all very niche now. There are certain things that we're receiving as a collective, which we can get into this in a second, because there is an artist who is currently exploding right now that we have not seen an organic growth like this in quite some time.
00:28:31
Speaker
But yes, but everything is just so niche. We stream.
00:28:37
Speaker
You know, especially with Spotify, I mean, you and I aren't Spotify listeners, but you know, Spotify, I guess is really good about suggesting artists and music that is similar to what you've listened to. So that's how people are discovering now. They have good curated playlists or they used to. Yeah. So, I mean, everything is, it's not, we're not experiencing it much as a collective anymore, but we still do experience certain collective things from time to time. And one that we're experiencing right now is Ms. Chappell-Rone.
00:29:08
Speaker
truly truly an artist. I know the comparisons are kind of done at nauseam at this time, but I just have to say like it truly does remind me of the rise of Lady Gaga. Oh yeah. I totally agree. When's the last time we had like a true like pop
00:29:29
Speaker
Superstar and I can't remember like was it Lady Gaga? It might have been the way that Lady Gaga broke into the mainstream and broke into the zeitgeist back in Gosh, was it that was like the end of 2008? Yeah, and then obviously even more so in 2009. Yeah the way that that happened
00:29:50
Speaker
Truly, that was the last time that that happened. I'm not saying that other superstars have come onto the scene. I'm not saying that other people haven't had breakthrough hits and haven't had success since then. But the way that she kind of launched herself into the zeitgeist,
00:30:09
Speaker
truly captivated the entire world, not just the U.S., but the entire world. We saw differences not only in the way that music was created and written, but we saw the way that costuming was. Look at the costuming starting like mid-2009 through like 2012. Right. You saw, I mean, you saw the shoulder pads and spikes and you saw... And the different colored hair, different colored hair, like dressing.
00:30:34
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Dressing how you want, it doesn't have to be cool. You can be uncool. Just wear what you want. Wear weird, obscure avant-garde things. You saw it everywhere, and especially from artists that you never really saw it before. And I'm specifically thinking of Fergie right now. I'm thinking of Nicki Minaj, too, to be honest. Nicki Minaj, Rihanna. You saw a shift in the way that the pop stars, and really everyone was dressing.
00:31:02
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it permeated through the culture in such a way that the way that I'm so let me just kind of backtrack really quick. I remember this is how it went from me with Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga released Just Dance in like 2008 and I remember it being on MySpace and I remember that I was really big into like talk forums and music forums and things like that so that's how I discovered her. I discovered her along with a lot of the gays in like early 2000s
00:31:28
Speaker
And then I remember her releasing like Love Game on Myspace and like all these things. And I remember having conversations with one of my, this is when I was in cosmetology school and I remember having a conversation with one of my instructors about Lady Gaga and she was like, do you like Lady Gaga blah, blah, blah. And so, and then I remember like all of a sudden you started hearing more and more conversations about her.
00:31:48
Speaker
and more and more. And then all of a sudden, Just Dance started getting picked up by radio. And then it slowly started building and building and building. And then towards the end of 2008, just a true explosion. And I believe it was by that January of 2009 is when Just Dance hit number one. And then she released Poker Face, and the rest is history. In a similar way with Chapel Roan, you heard conversations about her last year. You started hearing a trickling. It was definitely more amongst the
00:32:17
Speaker
I don't want to say underground, but more among the days. Yeah, in indie crowd and then gay people. In indie crowd, yeah. And you heard a lot of whispers, a lot of conversation. Then she released her album late last September. And then it just started gaining more and more momentum. And then as she went on these tours and started doing these festivals, all of a sudden, just an explosion happened. Right. It was like opening for Olivia Rodrigo. And then, yeah, I think the other thing, too,
00:32:44
Speaker
Like you said, like just seeing her, like she, she's definitely like a yes. She doesn't, she's not like a no person, which I think there's a lot to say about that. Like as an artist, like you just agree to everything in the beginning. Like I think that's, you know, obviously have boundaries, right? I'm not saying that, but she says yes to everything like Coachella, you know, she's, she's doing the, the New York, what was it? The NYC, like Gov, governor's ball, right? The governor's ball. Yep.
00:33:10
Speaker
governor as well. Like she and then she went on Fallon, like she's doing all of these things. Tiny desk, right? And it's all at once. I can only imagine how exhausted that she must be. But that being said, she's putting in the hard work. She's saying yes, these things. And
00:33:25
Speaker
It feels like I mean, she wants to be a pop star. It's not it's not like she doesn't have this energy like a lot of these girls have or it's like, whatever. Like, you know, I'm thinking of Doja Cat, who is obviously a star, but has this energy of like, I don't really give a fuck what happens. Like, fuck you. Like that kind of energy. It's like, no, she wants this. She is a pop star. And to her point on Jimmy Fallon,
00:33:50
Speaker
You know, it's Fallon or Kimball. I always get confused. It was Fallon. Okay. Just want to make sure. You know, she said, I am your, you know, they said something like, I am your favorite artist, favorite artist. And so I am seeing.
00:34:05
Speaker
J.Lo, SZA, everybody in the comments, like you can sense like, oh, this is something special when your faves are recognizing someone to this degree. And I'm seeing it every day are in a grande. Everybody likes this woman. Everybody, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, it feels exactly like the rise of Lady Gaga. And it's so cool because, you know, she's really a self-made
00:34:34
Speaker
artists, like she doesn't come from wealth or she doesn't have a baby, which is fine if you are, but I mean, right? Yeah. It's just like, holy shit. Like this is someone that has really grinded and, you know, honed in on their art. And again, is very true to themselves. Clearly she has, she has a vision and she knows who she is. Yeah. And it's really kind of cool to watch. Like it's pretty exciting.
00:34:59
Speaker
It's so exciting to see. I mean, she's a Midwest princess like us. And I just love, you know, I love that she's a lesbian queer artist. You know, her homage to drag culture is fascinating and just so wonderful to see. It's amazing to hear her give, you know, like Sasha Colby her flowers on Fallon. Right. And it's just see people just love and adore
00:35:29
Speaker
someone from our community like that in such a way is really, really fun to see. But it's exciting to see an exciting pop star again. You and I love pop music, right? We started this podcast about it. But it's been a long time since pop music has been really fun and bombastic and cool or not cool. Mr. Bombastic. Sorry, I had to.
00:35:56
Speaker
And she's bringing that theatricality, hello, Glee, back. She has the je ne sais quoi that you can't, it can't be bought, it can't be taught. Yeah, I agree. It's just fun to watch someone like that. It's been so much fun. And I'll be honest, I didn't love the music when I first listened to it.
00:36:20
Speaker
So I, to all of our listeners out there, I have to put Jeff on the spot right now and put him on blast just because Jeff was vulnerable with me a couple of weeks ago and said, I'm really trying to get into chapel road and it's just not happening for me. And I was like, Jeff, you just have to let force feeding it. And I'm not kidding you within three days.
00:36:43
Speaker
I get a complete 180 and being like, I'm obsessed with Chapel Road. It worked. It worked. The force video worked.
00:36:51
Speaker
Okay, I will say this, I'm not obsessed with her music entirely yet. I really enjoy a lot of the music, I do. But I'm not obsessed with the music entirely. I think it's gonna be similar to Lady Gaga where I don't love the fame, but I love kind of everything after that. It just got better and better. I feel like that's very much gonna be her as well. I feel like the sophomore album's gonna be something really special. I feel it in my bones. Because good luck babe is so special.
00:37:19
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And the bridge to good luck, we haven't heard something like that in so many years. I mean, it's fucking incredible. Shout out to, who's on that? I forget.
00:37:31
Speaker
Daniel Nigro, I believe his name or Nigel. He's the producer for Justin Tranter, right? Oh, Justin Tranter. That's what I'm thinking of. I mean, yeah, you know, sorry to this man, you know, Daniel, but I mean, Justin Tranter is who I'm thinking of a little more famous, I would say. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, you know, the song is incredible. And I feel like if that's a preview into what the sophomore album is going to be, I'm very excited. But to your point,
00:37:59
Speaker
I was like that woman on TLC eating the Brussels sprout. I was like, please don't make me eat this. But hearing so much about her and then I just couldn't escape her on my timeline either. It just was everywhere. And then I started to become captivated with her, the Fallon interview, the tiny desk.
00:38:22
Speaker
I'm like, God, this person's so mesmerizing. Like, I just want to know more about them, even though I don't love the music, you know? And then I gave the album some tries. It was an acquired taste for sure, because some of the songs sound a little hokey-pokey, as I said, too. And still kind of do like, I like Hot To Go now. But there's still something about it that feels a little...
00:38:44
Speaker
Lame, if you will. It's giving, like, she had minimal budget, right? So, you know, the production that would necessarily went into it, because I think what a lot of people don't recognize or realize too is that a lot of the songs on this album, the Rise and Fall of the, excuse me, the Rise and Fall of the Midwest Princess, a lot of those songs have been trickling out since 2020.
00:39:07
Speaker
So that album was released in 2023. I would say like half the songs on that album had already been released because they were like kind of droplet singles that finally led into an album. I really hope that this time around they don't do that. Like I'm assuming that, you know, I know that this day and age, like that's kind of how things go. But I really would love, you know, the sophomore album, maybe have one more single, maybe two, but then release the album. Don't release six songs over the next three years and then release the sophomore album.
00:39:37
Speaker
I totally agree. Yeah, but I feel like too, you know, when creating this album, she was one of those artists where you're kind of figuring out your sound, much like the fame, where you had Lady Gaga working with Rob Fusari, who's like, I think, the main producer on the album, and produced the bulk of the album with her.
00:39:59
Speaker
Um, but then you had red one come in who did the singles.
Lady Gaga's 'The Fame' and Chappell Roan Comparisons
00:40:04
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So red one did just dance poker face, uh, love game. He did, uh, boys, boys, boys, star shark. No star shark was a space cowboy. That makes sense because that's why I like that song. Yeah. And I hate the red one songs. Oh, really interesting. I mean, I'm going to be on record. I don't love that album.
00:40:25
Speaker
Right. You don't love the album. But what I was going to say, though, is that there's a stark difference between the Rob Fusari tracks and the Red One tracks. The Red One tracks were very clearly like, oh, Lady Gaga was signed to a major record label. Let's make the singles now. Whereas the Rob Fusari tracks, No Shade Did This Man, they had limited budget to create these. And they did a fantastic job with what they did.
00:40:52
Speaker
Yeah, very similar to the album, right? Exactly. And so I'm very curious now that she's going to have more of a backing with this next project. I'm very curious to hear where the sound is going to go. Is it going to follow the vein of Good Luck Babe? Is it going to be
00:41:09
Speaker
Because also like Gaga's album, you do have a mixture of different sounds on this album. So you had something like Super graphical to modern girl, which is like this, like retro 80s dance song. You have hot to go. You have, I mean, you have all the Mickey, the Mickey of the album. Yeah. You've got casual. I love, I love casual. I think, I think that might be,
00:41:34
Speaker
I'm surprised I'm saying this, but that might be my favorite. I think the lyrics are so fantastic and the structure of the song is so fantastic. And have you seen the music video? I think so. Is that the mermaid creature? That music video is incredible. The mermaid creature kind of reminds me of old Greg. The mermaid creature is hot. OK. OK, fish? No, that lesbian romance, the mermaid creature is hot. Yeah.
00:42:03
Speaker
She looks fantastic in that music video and the song is just so... It's relatable to gay people, you know, when you love someone that's in the closet or, you know, in this case, like a lesbian who's ultimately going to be, or a bisexual, whatever, who's going to be with the opposite sex and not you. So you're holding on to something that
00:42:26
Speaker
You know, isn't going anywhere and not even that like it's it's I mean it can be that but then also to the way I interpret casual is just like like you say that we're casual like you there's so many times when you're like seeing someone and
00:42:42
Speaker
They, and they say to you, oh, this is like casual.
Exploration of Queer Relationships in Music
00:42:46
Speaker
Like, this is just like, we're just fucking or we're just whatever. And it's like nothing serious. But you're like, but this has been going on for six months. It's been going on for two years or whatever. You know, like this, like, what do you mean? This is just casual. That's kind of how I related to it.
00:42:59
Speaker
If you watch the music video, though, the the way that the music video, I think, interprets the song even more so like an even more to my point is OK, you know, she she finds like the mermaid is like eating the men. Right. And every time she does that, she's like kind of cheating on chapel and chapel chapel chapel sees the blood after one of her like feasts. And, you know, she kind of wait. She kind of like waves it off and kind of looks sad. Then she just kind of ignores it.
00:43:27
Speaker
And she keeps finding evidence to these attacks. And obviously the attack is supposed to represent the straight romance that the mermaid has. So I thought that was really a cool kind of piece to everything. Yeah. And it makes sense. I mean, I think that happens much more with lesbians than it does gay men. Yeah. I think it happens to us both. But I think the
00:43:53
Speaker
I've heard that a lot. They will be talking to a girl, right? And the girl's making it seem like she wants us to be a serious thing and have this special relationship, but ultimately ends up going with the guy for the convenience or whatever. Right, yeah. I think any queer person on this planet can relate. I mean, I've never dated a straight man.
00:44:22
Speaker
No, but I'm sure that you probably had crushes on straight people, right? Not really, I guess. Really? No. Oh my God. That more happens to you. You get hit on more like that. That doesn't happen to me as much. Straight men love me. They love you. They love it. I get more dick and more compliments and more like sex. You get dick pics that way. I get dick pics. I get more dick pics from straight men than gay men. They want to take you on a joy ride.
Kesha's Growth Reflected in 'Joyride'
00:44:52
Speaker
Speaking of joyrides, oh my god, what are your thoughts on the Akasha single? I don't know how to articulate my thoughts. Okay, so I feel so mixed on my view of this one. I think the production is awesome. And I love a lot of the musical elements of the song. I love the beat.
00:45:16
Speaker
I really, my favorite part, which is also my critique towards the end of the song, the way that it's mixed, like the, like, do you know what I'm talking about? Like towards the very end, as it's like kind of like going into like the outro. Yeah. It's almost kind of like, it's almost kind of like chopped and screwed. It's like chopped and screwed kind of like, it's like, I'm a bitch. Like that part. Yeah. I'm a bitch. I'm a bitch. Yeah. That should have been in the whole song. That's my favorite part of the song. Like.
00:45:45
Speaker
I love that kind of part of the song so much. I love the sound of that. That was the initial teaser and you were kind of like, I don't know how I feel about it. And now you wanted to be in the whole song? I don't know how I feel about it. I meant that and that I'm not a huge fan of Kesha to begin with.
00:46:00
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. So yeah, I really like that. And I like in the context of hearing the song, I'm like, I really love that. And I wish that it was in the song because I think it is just cool. And it is. Yeah. Makes the sound for me. I love the the elements of it. Like what what even is that like an accordion? That's what I was wondering. I was like, I was like, is it an accordion? Is it like are they like distorted horns or something? I I personally love the song.
00:46:28
Speaker
I think you, and I think that's the popular opinion right now from what I'm seeing. Most people do. I don't, I think if I had to pick a fight, whether I liked it or I don't, I would say I don't like it. And the biggest key reason for me is number one, I'm not a huge Kesha fan. All in all, I think her music for the most part,
00:46:51
Speaker
isn't that great. And a lot of her great music just sounds dated now. It didn't age well. Sure. I agree with that. I'm kind of with you. I would say I'm a very casual Kesha fan. There's a lot of songs that I enjoy. Do I go out of my way to listen to her often? Not really. Yeah, but she's got some bops. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm not denying that. There's some gay people that are like, this is my favorite artist. And they really hold on to that for some reason. Sure.
00:47:18
Speaker
Like, I don't know, have you met those people? I feel like usually millennials who are like party. Yeah, who love Kesha? Yeah. Millennials who love Kesha. Like they will put her in like the top, like you know how we do like the top tier artists, like tier one, tier two, like they will put her up there. I'm like, no. Right. Not no offense, but like no.
00:47:37
Speaker
Right. Yeah, I find that really interesting, especially because like, I don't know, her whole trick, obviously, you know, her career trajectory has been a very interesting one, especially with the, you know, Dr. Luke allegations and things like that. And so obviously, like the more recent music that she's put out has been very different from like her party girl days. Yeah. But then now this new song kind of hearkens back to all of that, which is fine. I think very fascinating and interesting move now that she is parted ways with Dr. Luke.
00:48:06
Speaker
Yeah, and she's on her own. I kind of like that. I like that she's like, you know, I'm doing it. It's an emancipation of Kesha, so to speak. The emancipation of Kiki. She's reclaiming it, you know? Yeah. But what I... I just want to mention that song was produced by Zone, who did Troye Sivan's Rush, I believe. Oh, I didn't know he was on that song. Yeah. I believe so. And then I also believe
00:48:31
Speaker
I believe he also produced, uh, Adam Lambert's new song, wet dream as well. Yeah. Busy, busy, busy boy, busy zone in his own, in the zone. Yeah. No, but I, what I hate the most about the song though, is the, the chorus and the melody of the chorus. It's, it's that kind of like, you know, when I'm talking about where she's like,
00:48:57
Speaker
It's like it's like a mosquito. That's what it sounds like to me. It doesn't sound good. Oh, I don't like her vocal choices on a lot of her songs. Maybe that's why I'm not a fan of her. It doesn't it doesn't sound good. And so for me, it takes me out of the listening experience and I go, this is bad. Like, I don't like this.
00:49:16
Speaker
Interesting and this is why I mean, this is what's fun about our relationship. I completely disagree In fact, I love the way that the vocal production is done on this song I love kind of the talky parts that she does so well. I love the joy ride Yeah, I love that too. I don't I don't I like that. Yeah, and and I love that back
00:49:40
Speaker
No, that's see that's that mosquito that sounds like an annoying mosquito. It doesn't sound good I don't know why they went with that I like I like a lot of the I told you like I like a lot of the elements like I like the joyride like I like that. Yeah
00:49:53
Speaker
And I also don't mind the talking parts as well. It's just the mosquito. I invite it to suck me all at once. Cause I love it. That's what it sounds like to me. So for me, it takes me out of it, but it's, it's a fun song and that's why I do have a hard time. Cause there's a lot of elements I like to it. So it's hard for me to decide whether I, again, I like it or dislike it, but I think like, am I going to go out of my way to listen to it? Probably
Impact of Song Length on Streaming
00:50:14
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not.
00:50:14
Speaker
But a lot of people, you know, a lot of people are praising it. So, yeah, I do have to say, I mean, you know, beating a dead horse at this point, but, you know, it falls victim to the short song club. It's two minutes and 30 seconds exactly. I do have to say the song doesn't necessarily feel short as how certain other songs do. But I do have to say, like,
00:50:39
Speaker
For me, when a song is too short, the replay value diminishes because rather than me wanting to play it over and over again, it starts becoming a little too repetitive in any way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I get it. In this day and age of streaming, just the math of it all, if you have a 10-minute song versus a 2.5-minute song, that 2.5-minute song will get five plays where the 10-minute song will get one, right?
00:51:06
Speaker
I completely understand why they're doing it nowadays, but to me just the overall, like I would have loved an extra chorus at the end or an extra instrumental break that went into it. Or more of that chopped, screwed sound we were talking about, like more of that. Where was that?
00:51:25
Speaker
Exactly. There's ways that you could go about it. And I'm going to say this to the music industry, I think it's more the record label saying you have to make the song shorter versus artists wanting to make short songs. Unless you're Pink Panthers. Unless you're Pink Panthers. But I do think that if you gave the listener something really interesting to listen to, again, Chapel Rhone is a great example. They will listen.
00:51:54
Speaker
and they will go back for more. I understand that short songs, like the immediacy and the instant gratification of like, here's a hit single, let's get high streams for the first couple of weeks. But you often see them drop off. And then you have like, you go back and then you're like, oh, yeah, they released that song. Oh, I forgot about that. I forgot about that, yeah. And so yeah, I don't know. But anyway, that all said, I personally love the song.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah, when I heard it, I was like, I think Zach's gonna like this. That was my thought. It's very me. Well, Jeff, it's come to that time of our show where we need to each talk about a song that we feel like is not talked about enough.
Lenny Kravitz's Influence and Recognition
00:52:38
Speaker
So you, Jeffrey Beach, have a song that we do not talk about enough.
00:52:44
Speaker
I do and it's so random, but it's just a song that has entered my life again. So growing up, I heard a lot of Lenny Kravitz in my house.
00:52:56
Speaker
And I feel like Lenny, and the reason I'm bringing this up, this song specifically, is because Lenny Kravitz does not get his flowers as an artist. He is a talented, he's a rock star, a black rock star, who completely owned the 90s and early 2000s. And is truly one of a kind of an artist. I would compare him to kind of like Prince in that way.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah, like he's just so cool and authentic and the music's hot, still hot. The music speaks for itself. It's just quality music and he's just not talked about enough at all. I don't know what, why that is or what that is, but I'm hoping that he somehow is on the third installment of Renaissance, you know, act three. If he's not, I will have words with
00:53:50
Speaker
It would make total sense for him to be on there if it's a rock, if it's a rock project. Yes. I mean, he's my king of rock. Like, I love I love Lenny Kravitz. And so it ain't over till it's over. It's just such a good song. And it's just just a song that has like reentered my life in a major way, because, you know me, I love soul. I love funk. I love like I grew up with like Earth, Wind and Fire. I love like just that whole like realm of music. So.
00:54:19
Speaker
I just think it's such a cool song, especially thinking about it. I was born in the early nineties, so I wasn't bopping at this song when it came out, obviously. Is it in the early nineties? Yeah. Is it? How not? I would consider it in the mid nineties personally, but go off, continue. I mean, we can throw a mid in there, but there's early or late.
00:54:45
Speaker
We're talking, we're talking early or we're rounding up. It's like we're rounding. Okay. Okay. I mean, thank you though. I am young. Thank you for reminding the audience. I am in my twenties. No, but you know, I think that this song is cool because it came out at a time, like it came out, I think in like 91 and okay. It's cool. It's cool because was there anything on the radio really sounding like that? Like he's like, I'm, he, he basically,
00:55:13
Speaker
took this soul, this funk, almost like a disco-y kind of sound, threw it in a song. And it's kind of like an instant classic because it harkens back to like, you know, the 70s and like early 80s. And it's like, who else was doing that? Like that, that is so cool to me. And I appreciate that so much. Like he's such an innovator. And I just love how groovy that song is. And I think it's a forgotten about song because I want to say it charted
00:55:40
Speaker
number one or number two on the Billboard Hot 100, like it was a popular song. I don't know if he's ever had a number one hit with his own music. Well, it's turned it up there. It's got to be number two then.
00:55:52
Speaker
don't quote me on that, but I, yeah, I don't know as far as like how 100 charts goes. He did write and produce Madonna's justify my love, which went number one, but I don't know if Nellani Kranovitz has ever had his own number one single, which is- Well, I think, I think we'll have to look it up, but I think it was number two then. Okay. I think it was number two. Like it was, it was a, it was a hit, you know? Yeah, it was a hit, but you know, as we were talking, kind of talking about earlier in the show, so just because you chart high doesn't necessarily mean sometimes people forget, right? Um,
00:56:22
Speaker
There's a lot of forgot about hits. I think we talk a lot about deep cuts, but also I love talking about the hits that are kind of lost in time. And I feel like unless you're going out of your way to listen to Lenny Kravitz, most people don't really think about this song. You don't hear it a lot. So I just love it. And it's nostalgic for me because it just reminds me of the music I grew up in my house.
00:56:46
Speaker
We love Lenny Kravitz in this house. I love Lenny Kravitz. Shout out to Lenny. You deserve your flowers. You really do. Shout out to Lenny. And you know what? I'm sorry, Zoe, that your dad is still so fucking hot. Like, ugh. Just, yeah. Are you kidding me? I would kill for that body. I think I would kill someone for that body. That meant that I got that body.
00:57:07
Speaker
Yeah, it would happen. I'd consider. Yeah, for sure. You know, you inspired me. I had a different I had a different choice, but in a similar ish vein, but not so I this is my shock you Jeff, but I have been listening to a lot of trance music this week.
00:57:28
Speaker
And there is a Lenny Kravitz song that was remixed by one of my favorite musicians, BT, if you can't say no, and that was off the five album. And the BT remix specifically is Chef's Kiss. It starts out as like this trancy club track, and then it turns into this
00:57:51
Speaker
acid breakbeat outro that is absolutely mind-blowing. At this moment in time, I don't think it's on streaming. We can find it on YouTube, but this is my public plea to Lenny Kravitz and to BT, put that remix onto streaming. Five just had a 25th anniversary. It should be included on some sort of release. Wild. Did you have that record?
00:58:16
Speaker
I did not have five. I had its greatest hits that came out right after it. Yeah, the greatest. I mean, yeah, we had that one, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the gray kind of cover, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. But I also have to say, speaking of five, not to like do two songs we didn't talk about enough, but another song by Lenny Kravitz from that same album that I absolutely love and the balloons are going off is Black Velveteen. Oh, yeah. Great. Great song. Electronic clip.
00:58:45
Speaker
He is so amazing. He is. And he still put on new music, you know? Yeah. Just released a new album. It's great. Right. Was it TK? Something? TK-421? Or TK-421? Yeah. Love it. Thank you. Thanks. Lenny Impression. Great, great song. I love that song, actually. Banger. And we just talked about Katy Perry. And who did she bring out as one of her guests at her halftime show? Lenny Kravitz.
00:59:17
Speaker
I was going to say Ethel Kane. Ethel Kane. Well, Jeff, I'm so glad that you're back. Thanks for coming back. Yeah, I'm happy to be back. You're back, baby. Back, back, back, back again. Back to back to back to back to us. B2B. B2B. B2B to the pod, baby. Well, until next time, everyone, have a beautiful day, night, morning, whatever time it is for you.
00:59:46
Speaker
and don't say something stupid. Stupid. All right, goodbye. Bye.