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A Radically Optimistic Review (with DJ John Michael)
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Peloton's DJ John Michael is back for a THREE-PEAT and came prepared as we took a dive -- pun intended -- into Dua Lipa's third studio album, Radical Optimism. We go track by track talking everything from the songwriters and producers to our favorite moments and our hopes and wishes for the remainder of this album cycle. We also took some time to reflect on Madonna's final Celebration Tour show in Rio de Janeiro.
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Transcript
Initial Reactions to 'Radical Optimism' by Dua Lipa
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Pop Theory. I am joined again. Three timer. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. DJ John Michael. Oh, my gosh. We there's so much to cover. There's there actually is. There's I feel like a lot happened in the last couple of days. Yes. But I feel like we just need to start off right away. Hot and bothered with radical optimism. Do you love it? Love it. You are loving the album.
00:00:26
Speaker
Love it. I didn't when I first heard it. Okay. And I wouldn't say that I didn't love it, but I was just like, it's fine. Yes. Now that I've actually, now that I knew that this podcast episode was coming and I was forced to sit with it more and do the whole thing, I was like, you know what? I said, maybe, maybe I just needed you in my life to just be like, sit down, listen to this and we're going to talk about it. Sit down, listen to it. Exactly. You know, and I'm really glad that we're like, we spoke a little bit previously before we kind of officially started and I'm really glad that we did that because I do feel like
00:00:55
Speaker
To your point, you had a brilliant Instagram story the other day that it's like, you know, we are so quick to put out reactions and reviews to music and not
Rushed Media Reviews and Their Impact
00:01:04
Speaker
just music, right? Television shows, movies, you know, any sort of media, because it's all about this like click. I don't want to say it's clickbait, but it's like, you know, this quick culture that we live in that you just need to like put out the most current thing happening at all times. Right. And I think it's also because people feel like reviews, like when they do come out, whether it's Rolling Stone or Pitchfork or any of those things.
00:01:25
Speaker
They come out either day of or the day after. And it's like, well, what I need you to understand is they were sent the album early. Yeah. So they've sat with it. Yeah. You know, it's not it's not like they just listened to it for one time and just wrote a whole review and just are publishing it in Rolling Stone. Right. Like there's whatever. But yeah. Yeah. People they they those writers have had a chance to sit with it. Those or whomever, you know, have had a chance to, you know, have a moment to marinate with it.
00:01:53
Speaker
I have to tell you, so I'm somewhere in the middle with the album. I don't hate it by any means. I am not in love with it, but I don't necessarily blame Dua. I have to blame early reviews of the album.
00:02:11
Speaker
Well, I think because I think we were on the same page with this, too. And I think we were under the impression.
Expectations vs. Reality of the Album
00:02:17
Speaker
And I don't know if she said it or if somebody else said it, but the whole thing about it being a tribute to like 90s rave culture, because I remember I remember hearing that or reading that, too. Yeah, I believe it was you. It was Rolling Stone said that it is a psychedelic dance pop tribute to UK rave culture. And that was and then also stated in it that there were
00:02:42
Speaker
trip hop sounds likening to Massive Attack and Primal Scream. And so when I heard these descriptions, I was like, oh, we're in for a real treat. We're in for some like, and I believe Dua herself had mentioned Ray of Light being an inspiration at some point throughout the album creating process. So I'm just, and you know our
00:03:04
Speaker
I know we love our Madonna and we love and I love my ray of light. And so when I'm sitting here to me, that's a big statement. When someone says it uses ray of light as a source of inspiration, I'm sitting here like I'm like, OK, like this is this is a lot you can you're throwing it down like that. You better deliver. Right. Right. Right. So I think, yeah, I think that's what colored it for the both of us. Yeah. So I feel like we kind of went into this thinking it was going to be this like transcendent experience.
00:03:33
Speaker
And not that it isn't fun and it isn't great, but it isn't that. And I don't mean that in a shady way. Right. It's not. It's just not that. It's just straight up not any of those things. And so that's where I was just kind of like I felt a little let down with it.
Album's Energy in Different Contexts
00:03:49
Speaker
But that all set. I listened to the album top to bottom the morning it was released because I was like working out and I was like a perfect album to work out to. 100%.
00:03:59
Speaker
breezy, fun, danceable, very catchy. And yeah, so I was like, I was like, I there were definitely a couple songs that stood out to me outside of the singles. Yes, for sure. Five, I'm just say right off the bat falling forever is definitely going to be in like my top five duo of all. Oh, wow. Soon as I heard it, I was like, this is her your revision song.
00:04:23
Speaker
this, you said that this is going to fall forever, right? Yeah, I love Okay, I absolutely love it. So that one right off the bat. I was like this one. Yeah, this is great. The drums in that song. Yeah, very, very good. And very like, I just love it. It's, it's, okay, I don't want to give it again. Maybe after being like, you know, talking about false descriptions and whatnot, but like, it's not tribal, but it gives me
00:04:47
Speaker
It's just the galloping. Yeah, it's banging. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Um, do we want to just like just like go track by track?
00:04:57
Speaker
We can, but you know, so this is what I was thinking as we were talking about this, because I spent all day like writing notes about things, so that way I wouldn't forget because I forget everything these days.
Anticipation for a Deluxe Version
00:05:06
Speaker
I feel like, and now that I've listened to it several times over, because again, it is a very short album, which I cannot, there has to be a deluxe version. There's gotta be, she's the queen of all that. So it's gotta be, that has to be happening. I refuse to believe that there aren't more songs. Have you heard the rumors about the deluxe version?
00:05:24
Speaker
Oh, no. There are there are rumors that there is a deluxe version on the way. Now, I'm taking this with the largest grain of salt that there is in this world. And but the rumors on the streets, the streets being Twitter and saying that there is a deluxe version with, I believe, three new tracks, maybe four. And one of them is a collaboration with Katy Perry. And oh, wow. And allegedly a music video is already filmed, directed by Dave Myers.
00:05:53
Speaker
Oh, wow. So I was like, this is a lot of information, quote, information, lots of rumors. No idea if it's true. Right. So we'll see. I mean, could be jokes on us. This all of this could be revealed and as it tends to be sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. But but no, I'm with you that I do feel like the album is really short and it just goes by really quick.
00:06:19
Speaker
Yes, yes. But now that I've because I think I'm so used to like the like super, super dance pop, I'm glad that I've had time to sit with it because the more that I've really listened specifically with headphones on.
Collaborative Nature of 'Radical Optimism'
00:06:32
Speaker
What I realized today is that so there's a cast of characters on this album, and I feel like that's sort of important to walk through on the top. And I feel like
00:06:43
Speaker
The cast of characters are the producers, the songwriters that are pretty much standard throughout. There are some variances throughout the album, but there's like a core five maybe. So it's like, was it Kevin Parker, which we all know is Damon Paula.
00:06:55
Speaker
Danny L. Harle, who's a British music producer. He produced Caroline Polacek's 2019 album and 2023 album, which is what he's most known for. Carolyn Aylin, I don't know how you say that. She has worked with Dua Lipa many, many times before. She wrote New Rules with her, Don't Start Now, as well as stuff for Clean Bandit, Katy Perry. She did 365, which I really do feel like we don't talk about enough. I love that song. Oh my God, we don't. I 100% went with you.
00:07:22
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. I love that song. Right. I just thought that one just went by. And I was like, that was like this one is. That song was a slow burn for me, because that first first listen, I was like, I was like, I don't know if I feel this and I kept playing it. And I was like, but why am I going back to it? I keep going back to it. Keep going back to it. And then there was just one day where I was just like, no, this song is a fucking bop. Yeah, no, I love it. I love it. Yeah. But yeah, so Caroline and then Tobias Jesso, Jr., who wrote Alive with Sia, as well as When We Were Young with Adele.
00:07:53
Speaker
Thousand Miles by Miley Cyrus, Boyfriends by Harry Styles, all that stuff. And he actually has a 2015 album, which, if you haven't heard, is very good as well. Okay, excellent. So I feel like, and I say all of this to say, is that when I listen to the album now, it feels like an album made by a band where she's the front singer. You know what I mean? Okay, yeah, absolutely. That makes a lot of sense.
00:08:16
Speaker
Yeah, because I feel like, and even when you look in the credits, like everybody, those four or five, wait, one, two, three, four, those four and duo are doing mostly everything on the album. And it's like, who's playing drums, who's playing guitars, who's, they're all doing backing vocals. They're all, you know, so it's like this tight knit of them. And then there's other people who come in and like guest with them on other tracks. Yeah. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. So I think that that's, that's very interesting to look at the album that way, because it's like,
00:08:45
Speaker
I don't know how that works in writing sessions, but obviously these five, these four or five had an idea for what this was going to be and then whatever the other things. But I was reading that too today where even apparently she said that she had looked up psychedelia, 90s Brit pop and trip hop and that sort of started off the journey, which
00:09:05
Speaker
turned into radical optimism. Yeah, interesting. Right. OK, Dua. Now, I remember or I was watching a lot of interviews with her where she was talking about this creative process, working with Kevin Parker, working with Danny Harle, which I thought it was Hartley for the longest time. So I think I even think on a previous episode, I think I called him Danny L. Harley. So, hey, let's celebrate that.
00:09:27
Speaker
But Danny Harle also, he did a lot of like PC music, like did like some hyper pop stuff, I think, because didn't he do a collaboration with not to derail, but like he did a collaboration with Carly Rae Jopson. Carly Rae, yes. And didn't he also he did the he worked with in a project with AG Cook.
00:09:46
Speaker
who was on Dawn of Chromatica. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I feel like, so when I initially saw his name and then heard this stuff, I was like, oh, very different from what I'm used to. But again, that's probably also only just a small portion of the music that he's produced and whatnot.
00:10:05
Speaker
But no, that's really interesting to hear because again, too, I think that we're starting to get really used to the onslaught of just having this like novels of songwriters and producers on songs. No shade to anyone. Right. No, no, no. And I was actually surprised when I looked today and I couldn't believe the training season has 11 writers. Wow. And I think it's also interesting how the amount of songwriters doesn't seem to come up in the conversation about Dua Lipa like it doesn't Beyonce.
00:10:33
Speaker
Right. Yeah. You know, especially in the interviews that Dua Lipa has been giving because she makes it sound like she keeps talking about that journal, right? And she's even brought it to I think she brought it to the saying low interview and and she's showing it and I'm like, that's cool. That's really cool. And I'm not saying that she doesn't write her songs, right? It's not it's not that conversation. It's just you're very right that we're not hearing about these other people. So just it's just really
00:10:58
Speaker
interesting to me how that even all works out. You know, in my conversation with Z machine last week, I so good. So good. Thank you. Thank you. We love we love Z machine here. And actually, was it in my conversation with him or was it might have been an off conversation, maybe off off air, but we were talking about like songwriting camps and things like that. And just like, you know, he basically was just like a lot of people don't know
00:11:25
Speaker
how that all works and he didn't really dive into it further but it was just like one of those things where I was kind of like yeah I don't I don't know how that all works like I don't know how 11 people end up on a song especially and especially again this is no shade but just like I'm just thinking about like almost looking at it like a math equation and no because I'm a mathematician and all but
00:11:45
Speaker
I'm a music mathematician. I'm a music mathematician. But I'm just thinking about when the average pop song these days is between two and a half and three minutes long, and you have 11 songwriters on it, it just does leave me wonder, okay, what are these people contributing? Well, I don't think that there's any one size fits all when it comes to a songwriting camp, and I think a lot of them, depending on how they're set up, can go in so many different ways. Yeah. But my basic understanding of it is that,
00:12:13
Speaker
There have been times where I've heard about artists being like, okay, we're going to put you in a room. We're going to put you in a room. We're going to put you in a room. We're going to put you in a room. And this is what we have so far. We need a top line. It needs a bridge. It needs a pre-chorus. It needs a whatever. And everybody is sort of tasked
00:12:30
Speaker
to write that specific part. Oh, wow. That's fascinating. Right. So I think that's one way how it happens. I think there's obviously a little bit more organic, which I'm actually going to guess is how this album happened. Right. Where it seems like these people got together and were like, we're going to make this project. This is our vision.
Songwriting Camps and Music Collaboration
00:12:48
Speaker
and kind of go forward with that. And then I'm sure it's like, friend of a friend, this songwriter knows this one, this one knows this one, this one happens to be in town, this one, you know, it's like, I think it's just as free flowing as that for a lot of them, too. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know. I would like to hear Dua talk about that. I think that would be really interesting. I would love just any pop star to kind of explain it a little bit more. Did you ever see her episode of Song Exploder?
00:13:12
Speaker
No, I did not. You should watch that. Wait, is that the one with love again? Yes. Yes, I did watch it. Actually, it was very good. Yeah, it was. It was very, very good. And I feel like maybe like I feel like this album would be deserving of something like that to talk about this. But yeah, so I feel like those are like the five. And then like I have notes.
00:13:31
Speaker
I have notes. I love this. Right. And because I didn't want to forget and I wanted to make sure everybody got the credit because I think it's we live in such a parasocial time, you know, where it's like everybody has such strong and it's just like she does this all on her own or she does it. This is what she done. I'm like, no, it's it's it takes a village. Every pop star, every pop girlie, it takes a village. They're usually gays. Yes. Yes. And also to be fair to you, like, again, I
00:14:00
Speaker
Like we have no problem with someone making a movie and there's hundreds of people on it, right? No one bats an eye. But when it comes to music, all of a sudden we expect everyone to sing every note, to play every instrument, to produce it, to write it all. Yeah. No, it's unrealistic. And we would have such less music, such less amazing music if everything had to be that way.
00:14:28
Speaker
People are too puritanical with this stuff, and it doesn't make sense. Truly, and to go back to my very first episode of this podcast, Pavarotti doesn't write his own songs. Hello. Like, come on. Just say, Andre Bocelli. Right. Right. And no one's complaining about them? No. Celine Dion doesn't write music. No. Tina Turner doesn't write music. Although, did Celine Dion? Wait, it wasn't treated like a lady. Does she have a songwriting credit on that song? I don't think so. She should. She had to go.
00:14:57
Speaker
She has a random songwriting credit on one of those songs on that album. Wait, let me see. And I was like, I'm like, Oh my gosh. Let's talk about love, right? It was. Let's talk about love. Yeah. And God, we're so gay. I know. And I'm just kind of like, I'm like, Oh my God.
00:15:16
Speaker
Oh my god, she does have a songwriting credit on it. Un, do you feel like a lady? Stop it, yes. Oh my god, I don't even pull that out of my ass, but. Can that even handle you?
00:15:29
Speaker
That is the gayest thing I've heard all day. That is fantastic. Oh, I love that for you. Yeah. Yeah. How the hell did that happen? I have no idea. But I love if you ever watched the recording session of that. Yes. Yes. That is wild. And that's how she got the songwriting credit. They're like, they're like, she raises. And it's again, we will get back to do it. But like watching that recording session with Celine Dion recording Twitter like a lady.
00:15:55
Speaker
very fun. She's clearly having a blast. Oh, absolutely. But also hearing her sing every take and the voice that like, you're just like, we all know that Celine Dion is an incredible singer, but actually seeing her record it and you're just like, holy shit. It's just coming out of effortless the way that you and I are just talking to each other right now. Right. And the taking chances, the studio sessions from that that they put out. I think they're up on YouTube. I haven't seen that.
00:16:26
Speaker
Oh my god, I know what I'm doing tonight. Oh my god, it is incredible. Incredible, because everybody's in there, all the producers are in there, Cara Diaguardi. Like everybody, they're all in it, and it's so good. Oh, you are gonna love it, I'm so excited for you. Oh, I'm so excited, are you jealous that I'm gonna watch it for the first time? Yes!
00:16:47
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Okay. So anyway, Dua Lipa. Back to Dua. Back to Dua. Miss Lipa. Yeah.
Track-by-Track Album Analysis
00:16:55
Speaker
No, this album, it's very fun. It's so convincing. No, it absolutely is. And I think that there are certain songs that are obviously very specific to certain moods. I mean, we could just do track by track is fine.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, like I said, it's a fun album. It just feels very short. It feels like before you can really get into the party, the party's over.
00:17:18
Speaker
Yeah, it feels short. And I do have to say I do it for me. The production for me is just not my personal favorite. It's not even that I just like it. It's just for the way that the songs are kind of structured. And again, maybe I just need to let go of the early descriptions of the album. But right. I think you have to. Yeah, I think I'm going to let them go. But I I the way that I'm envisioning it and the way I would have liked to have heard some of these songs produced.
00:17:48
Speaker
I would have liked them produced differently. Yeah, I don't know. Let's dive in. Let's do a track to buy a track because I feel like that's the way that my brain processes the music. It starts off with end of an era. This is just the five, the core five have written the song.
00:18:11
Speaker
I'm going to keep talking them the core five. Yes. The core five. Okay. They cord out. And, and I, this was one of my favorite songs, actually.
00:18:20
Speaker
I love this. This actually, honestly, this sounds like the music that you hear when you're walking through Greece. Everything sounds like this. Oh my God. I love that. Oh my God. And that's what it made me think of as soon as I heard it. And I was like, okay, come on, Vakanza Queen. I was like, she's just on vacation. I live for that. She's on vacation. Yeah, she should be. One of my best friends, Eris, former roommate, he is of Greek heritage and goes to Greece.
00:18:44
Speaker
I don't want to say he goes to Greece often, but I want to say he went last summer. So Eris, if you're listening, you will need to tell me if this is true about end of an era, if this takes you back to Greece. It just gives me that vibe because a lot of the music that I would heard strolling through Greece was just very like,
00:19:04
Speaker
sort of somewhere between like a tropical house cover of Toto's Africa. And oh, right. It's just very sort of like that, that like dreamy kind of vibe. And it just very dreamy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I for me, it reminded me it immediately took me to Kylie's disco album. It made me think of the production of that for sure.
00:19:24
Speaker
Yeah. So and I loved the sound effect, the reverse, the rewind sound effect that they use throughout it. I love it. I don't know why I love it so much, but every time it happens, I'm like, Oh, yes. Like, give me more. Right. Right. Right. Rewind. I love it. Yeah. It's a beautiful album opener.
00:19:41
Speaker
Yeah, no, for sure. And I think it does a really great job of setting the tone. Interesting production note, though, or thing that I just thought was interesting, the way that they had the end of like the vinyl scratch sound and how long it was. It's like it's like a solid five or six seconds of just like which is long. It is. And I was just like, I'm just curious as to why they did that. Right.
00:20:05
Speaker
Hey Mr. DJ, put a record on. I'm gonna dance with my baby.
00:20:13
Speaker
I love that she she also acknowledged Dula Peep in her monologue and for SNL. Oh, yes. Oh, no, it was perfect. I was like so excellent. She she was really good. But yeah, and of an era I I love it. I know for it. Yeah, because it's like I think also like thinking about what the tour is going to be like. There's nothing on the album unless she starts the tour with like that training season like she did at the Grammys, which I'm getting to because I love that. Yeah. But
00:20:41
Speaker
There's nothing on this album that screams like this is the big party opener. You know what I mean? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like it's either got to be like a training season, like it's going to have to be one of the big singles or
Translating Album to Live Performances
00:20:51
Speaker
something. Yeah. Or unless we're just going to sit at the beach with Du on End of an Era, which I'm absolutely here for too. She said, let's go to the beach. Right. Each, let's get away. Right. Wave. Wave. Oh, it's a wave. That's right. It's wave.
00:21:02
Speaker
wave wave that right i remember i remember learning that and i was like whoa my life has been alive for the last 10 years yeah but you broke my brain with your meme because now every time i hear this song where i know all i hear is gouda i know are you gouda are you gouda are you gouda every time i'm like god damn it i was like zac you're killing me i know where my cheese lovers at
00:21:24
Speaker
Oh, do we want to go back into the into the singles? Do we want to go? Like, I mean, we can. I like to Dini. It wasn't. It was the when I first heard it, I was like, OK, I was like, this isn't it doesn't feel like lead single, whatever to me, but it's a great song. Yeah, the gays are going to love it. It's going to do well. It's going to be really fun on tour. Like, I totally get that. I loved.
00:21:49
Speaker
the Adam Port remix. I was a very big fan of that one. Yes, yes, yes. For anybody who does not know, he is one third of the DJ group, the Kinda Music from Germany. Okay. Love him. Very big fan. Yeah. And I got to hear them play that in Brooklyn Mirage in New York. When they came by, they played that, which was excellent.
00:22:10
Speaker
The word Houdini specifically never really sat with me well. And it just, it's a weird lyric for me. I think it's, you know, whatever, but it wasn't my favorite lead single. I'll just say that. Sure. Yeah. It's funny. Cause when Jeff and I did our episode, we did one of our early episodes of this podcast. We did like half an hour of a review of Houdini.
00:22:29
Speaker
And we were like, we love it, Slay Queen. And literally the next week we were like, we have not revisited. We have not. And don't get me wrong, I think the production is excellent. And I think there's a lot of really cool instrumentations and the way it's mixed is very, very well done. Yeah. I think for me, I think this song training season are two songs where I'm just like, I like them a lot. There's just different ways that I would have probably gone about
00:22:56
Speaker
producing it, right? Like, I don't know what that sound effect is throughout the song is like. Right. Whatever that is. I love that. And I want more of it. It's like a I don't know if it's like a clavichord or it's it's it's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I absolutely loved it. I wanted more when they did the extended club edit with the extra verse. I was like, I wanted more. I don't know. I just needed something more with it. And I just felt like I never got enough.
00:23:23
Speaker
but maybe that's just me just being really particular. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, it's a good song. There's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. Yeah. Great gallons, beautiful gallons. But it's just not, I don't know. It just doesn't scream lead single for me, but I'm glad that it was. It's screaming buzz single. Right, right.
00:23:40
Speaker
It's screaming buzz single, the famous industry word for a song that did not perform as well as they had hoped. So it's no longer the lead single. It was a buzz single. Right, right. Just to test the waters. Just to test the waters. But then that brings us to training season. And we differ here. Okay. This is probably my favorite of everything.
00:24:00
Speaker
This and Falling Forever are my two favorites of the album. These walls being the tide for third, but we'll get there. Plot twist, this is also one of my favorite songs on the album. Training season. But I do wish, there are certain things that I wish were produced differently. Specifically, I wish the live version that she did at the Crammys, the way it opens the song, is the way that this song should have opened on the album. I would have completely changed the tone for me and I would have no notes.
00:24:29
Speaker
Yes, yes. But that being said, and as much as I do agree with you, I don't think it would have went well sequence wise anywhere on the album. That makes sense. And I think that from a production standpoint, it would have been too jarring. Yeah. Because nothing else on the album would sound like that. And I agree because that is my absolute favorite version. And yeah, she just did like a performance here in New York randomly, like in Times Square the other night and she performed the same version. So I'm like, OK, good. This is the tour version. Yep.
00:24:57
Speaker
has to be and it's kind of like how she did that with levitating levitating she did a new intro for all the live performances so i do and i appreciate that i love that yes yes yes we love again we we love our madonna and who does new live versions for her songs right so we love that but yeah it it i but i think this is one of the strongest singles
00:25:16
Speaker
For sure, for sure. And so what's interesting is that this is the main five of the album, the core five. And then this is where one of the extras comes in. So one of the extras being another songwriter, Martina Sorbara, who we all know as the lead singer of Dragonet. Oh! Right. No way. Yes. Sean Frank, who's a Canadian DJ. Nick Gale, who is part of the EDM group Digital Farm Animals. And this other songwriter, Yakov Guzman, who wrote for like Tiesto and also writes for like a lot of EDMX.
00:25:45
Speaker
Wow. Oh my gosh. Someone did her homework. She was ready. Pen and paper. She was ready. That is fascinating. Well, I love hearing that because you definitely hear the dance. I would say of all the songs on the album, this is one of them that definitely does scream psychedelic pop dance tribute to UK rave culture.
00:26:08
Speaker
And I think that's why I like this one the most because it feels like, OK, that sounds like what we were talking about originally, and I'm totally here for this. And I love it. And it's also a really good like walking song. Yes. Just gives like shoulders. Do you prefer the extended version or the album version? I.
00:26:24
Speaker
I love that we're in a time when we're doing extended versions, but to me... Extended versions and quotations. Right, right. But for what they're doing, which again, I'm totally here for, I don't feel like anyone has really nailed them in the way that I would want them to be done. I know this is me being a DJ and being particular. For sure. What I want is probably not the same as what everybody else would want.
00:26:50
Speaker
Like when I think of Kylie's tension and I think of the extended version of Vegas High, that's how I want all my extendeds.
00:26:57
Speaker
And this is why you're on the podcast. I completely agree. And yes, yes, I completely agree. Because I feel like a lot of times these extended versions, it feels like they are just looping the instrumental or like you've clearly there's some like breakdown of the stems and whatnot. But but it's a problem of arrangement. Like it to me, the thing that bothers me is when you are interrupting
00:27:26
Speaker
the integrity or the flow of the song. An extended version should be adding things to it, not making it jarring. I don't know. There's got to be certain ways to do it. And I feel like nobody has really done it in the way that I would be happy with. Of course, again, I'm being nitpicky here, especially because I still have. I've been working on all these ones for Chromatica. And it's been crazy. And I'm like, this is the way I want to hear these songs. So now that I have control, I have the stems, whatever. But it's, yeah. Yes.
00:27:56
Speaker
I don't know. So I for this song, I have to be honest, I haven't listened to the extended versions for most of them because usually when I hear it, I end up making my own. Yeah, for sure. And then that makes complete sense. I would say of the three singles in this one might be my favorite extended version purely for the way that they break it down after the bridge of the song. I really liked the way that they did it with this. Yeah. But I want to hear the things.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you because like a lot of times what they do and all these new extended versions that they're putting out these days after the first chorus, they will always do like an eight count or a 16 count of just like instrumental and then go into the verse, which is weird. It's weird because I'm like because because to me and this is what and you'll see because I'll send you the ones that I've been working on for Gaga, but it's like the
00:28:49
Speaker
If you're going to do that, that's fine. But for me, put something in there, like give me a part of the vocal that you've never been able to hear before. Give it its moment to shine. 8 bars can go by very fast, but you can make it a very interesting 8-bar count. And it's like, just give me a background vocal or give me something that I haven't heard before to keep it interesting. Because if it's just the instrumental, I'm like,
00:29:10
Speaker
I don't know. It doesn't, you didn't, I don't know. You didn't really do the best that you could have with that. I just would just go into the verse. Yeah. What did Roxette say? Skip the dump or a skip to the chorus. Yes. You know, I completely agree. Well, training season. Is there, is there anything else that you need to say on this? No, I love it. I mean, like I said, it's, it's, it's great. Who, who is it that's from Dragunet? That's the lead singer Martina Sabara. I'm probably not saying that right.
00:29:39
Speaker
I love that you mentioned her and them because I have not heard that like a mention of them in quite some time. And so they had a moment like back in like 2012, I feel like, right? Oh, absolutely. I mean, hello. Like you couldn't you couldn't get away from that song.
00:29:55
Speaker
Right. Yeah. So I love that. I love that. She said, hey, I just came to say hello on training season. But that's what I mean. But it's like but I imagine that the songwriting community at this level to be doing it for main pop girls like this can't be that big.
00:30:15
Speaker
So I feel like all of these people, especially because so many of them are like British producers, I feel like they just know each other. So I think she's Canadian. So maybe because it's like, yeah, she's Canadian and Sean Frank is also a Canadian DJ. Am I missing something about him? I don't know.
00:30:30
Speaker
But yeah, so it's probably how it happened. But I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love her. Thank you. Thank you, training season. Yes. Well, up next then is these walls. My other favorite. Your other favorite. This one, Matt Rogers, I believe, also said that this is one of his favorites. I have to say it's not one of mine. I get it. I get it. But that's OK. That's OK. Tell me why you love it.
00:30:55
Speaker
So it was the first one musically that really stood out to me as like this was something different because it's like the way the song is structured. It's like it definitely feels like a little 60s. And I still I felt a little bit more of that like almost like like a jam band like the Archie's that did like Sugar Sugar or Tommy James and the Shondells. I'm throwing at names that nobody who listens to this podcast is going to know.
00:31:17
Speaker
I love it. Right. This is this is like the revenge. Right. Right. But it's just this sort of like 60s like band of like people like I like not mamas and the papas. That's a terrible comparison. But
00:31:29
Speaker
It just feels like that sort of vibe. It has a certain sunniness to it, but it's a melancholy song because it's about the ending of a relationship. Right, yeah. And then this is the song, so now it's the core five, but then they added Andrew Wyatt. So now if you don't know who Andrew Wyatt is, he did all of the music for the Barbie movie with Mark Ronson for the score. And then he produced, I think, with Finneas, the Billie Eilish, what I was made for. Yeah.
00:31:56
Speaker
I think he did I want to say he did he the produce did he write the other than Billy Joel's new song I think he might have but um but yeah he did Bruno Mars when I was your man and grenade he did shallow with Gaga wow all of those yeah so it's like and I feel like Andrew Wyatt not Andrew is there a name what what what what yeah I think that's what I'm getting in I think I'm getting them because
00:32:19
Speaker
Yes, he says yes. Well, I was going to say, because no, I think that, yeah, because I want to say Andrew Watt might have worked with Dua before. I think so. And I think Andrew Watt is the one with Billy Joel, not Andrew Wyatt. I think you're right. But okay. All these Andrews out here. I'm not a Julie that we found. They are outside. Outside, they said.
00:32:44
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I, for me, I don't know why I could, I mean, it's not, again, it's not that I just like hated it or anything. It's just, I think for me with these albums that have these very cohesive sounding songs, it starts to blend together a little bit. And to your point earlier about the album being so short that to me, for whatever reason didn't stand out to me. So like I'm sitting here, like even trying to think about how it even goes melodically and I can't think of how it goes.
Personal Connections to 'These Walls'
00:33:13
Speaker
But which is a shame because you love it. Matt Rogers loves it seems to be a lot of people's favorite. Yeah, I think that there's a there's a certain like, I think the melancholy about breaking up. I think that hits because as soon as I heard it, like, obviously, it's not my life anymore. But like, it made me think of a specific person in my life from like my 20s.
00:33:32
Speaker
where I was like, oh, this absolutely would have been applicable at that time, like without a doubt. Right. So I think that it's I think there's a lot of that that's going on for people too, which is what I'm going to guess for Matt Rogers as well. Not me speaking for Matt Rogers. Right. Matt, Matt, you have to tell us what you think. So sorry. But yeah, I don't I don't know. I'm very I think that's why I like Robin too, because I'm very much like happy music, sad lyrics. I love all that.
00:33:59
Speaker
Yes, for sure. Yeah, I think this sort of scratches that itch a little bit for me. But yeah, yeah. And I think that do I even said that in one of her interviews where she was like she talked about the dance crying and yeah. So yeah, which makes perfect sense. Yeah. And then next up, we've got what you're doing.
00:34:18
Speaker
This was my first one that I was like, okay. So I think that what I realized too is that having such a short album makes songs that are skippable for you stand out.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, right. It's it's a standout and not in a good way. Right. Because again, and this is not a bad song, mind you, there is nothing wrong with it. It's fine. Uh huh. It's just fine. Like it's it's a nice song this time for songwriters, though.
00:34:49
Speaker
They added Ali Tamposi was one of the songwriters on this who did everything from Kelly Clarkson's Stronger to Christina's Around the World, which I'm sorry, Justice for Lotus. I will say that till I die. Justice for Lotus. I'm sorry. Anywhere by Rita Ora and Midnight Sky by Miss Miley Cyrus.
00:35:07
Speaker
Wow, yeah, okay barely scratches the surface like Ally has written a ton of incredible hits. Yeah Wow, thank you Ally for your service. Yes, but this one I don't know there was just it just wasn't yeah Yeah for me I have to say what you what you do in and French exit for me same both of those songs for whatever reason just didn't it just kind of
00:35:32
Speaker
blended together with the rest of the album. And it was it's in a space. And maybe they did that on purpose because I mean, they are kind of smacked up in the middle of the album. Right. And it's just kind of like you just take it, not even take it or leave it. It's just like it's just there. And so you're kind of like listening and you're kind of for me, it was a very passive listen. Right. French exit is like the lemon sorbet of the album for me. Yeah. You know, it's it's the palate cleanser. It's the sort of like, OK, we just we're on the cruise ship.
00:35:59
Speaker
You know, things are, it's light. It's breezy. It's easy. It's a very, it's easy listening, you know, but it has entered her easy listening era, not the adult contemporary era, but it's, yeah, I don't, again, French exit was fine. It's about, you know, knowing when to leave the relationship and probably doing it sooner than.
00:36:17
Speaker
the other person would hope. Yeah. But it's it's cute. Like I said, it's fine. It just it's it gives me cruise ship vibes, which is not a bad thing, of course. But yeah, it's just fine. I'm assuming that this album is about Anwar.
00:36:30
Speaker
I would think I would assume so. I would think because they were in there. They were pretty hot and heavy during the at least towards the beginning of the future nostalgia era. Right. Right. And I believe he was even in one or two of the music videos. Oh, maybe. Yeah. If I'm remembering correctly. But he was this four years since future nostalgia for that's fucked up. Yeah. Crazy. That's fucked up. Like it came out yesterday. Right. Studio 20 for 2054.
00:36:58
Speaker
Give me that, please. Right. Put that back on streaming. Come on. Oh, is it not? I think that was like a. I think I have a link. I'll send it to you, please, because I believe that that was like they did that is like you like purchase tickets as if it was like a concert. Oh, yes. So I'm sure I screen recorded it.
00:37:16
Speaker
I think because I think I screen recorded because during the pandemic, I was like, I know these bitches. They are absolutely not going to keep this up on streaming. So I screen record. Right. And I just go. Yeah. Twenty twenty four. And then whatever Roy Jean Murphy's was. I don't remember what that was.
00:37:29
Speaker
Okay. Her live stream. I was like, absolutely. Yeah, right. Yep. Yep. And so I know that Kylie released an infinite disco, but I don't think studio 2054 is. Oh, I don't think so. I thought it was just up. Oh, that's crazy. Okay. Yeah. I think I still have it. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Excellent. Um, but yeah, so I don't really have much to say about what you do when our friend checks it. Yeah, I think they're there again. They're cute. I think it will be like,
00:37:52
Speaker
if i'm gonna guess these are either gonna be like transition songs where it's like someone's doing an outfit change or you know like it's sort of like a recovery moment from doing like a hard dance routine yeah fruit you know that yep yep like we've gotta be honest we gotta pace the girls we gotta pace them yep and she said these are our pacing songs pace the girl that's it we're pacing here
00:38:12
Speaker
And then that takes us into illusion, which I have to say this song has has been a slow burn for me, but I am loving it more and more every day. This song to me would not be out of place on confessions of a dance floor. Oh, I love that. It gives me the most steward priceness.
Live Performance: 'Illusion' on SNL
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah. You know, the post chorus dance all night. Yeah. Dance on that. I feel like like that, like the repetition
00:38:42
Speaker
It's so good. Yeah, and it's also like the odd because of the amount of like elude
00:38:49
Speaker
There's so many, but it ends on an odd, it's not an even, I think. And that's weird, which just adds to it. It's very well done. Yes. And the performance of this on SNL was amazing. So good. So good. She has come so far from her performance days. Oh, 100%. She's been in the lab. Yeah. And what I love, too, is that
00:39:13
Speaker
people think that you need to do is be doing all this wild choreography. There are certain movements that you can do that you if you do them just right, like right and hit them. So when she was doing that, like hand thing or whatever, and then her her dancers, it was so powerful because it worked to her because I'm not saying she's a bad dancer, but dancing is probably not her
00:39:35
Speaker
best. Yeah, but to be honest, it was Kylie and it was exactly. So it's it's speaking to that, you know, like, like, like harnessing what you are good at and being able to hit those. I don't know. Anyway, I'm doing a horrible job explaining that, but she does it so well that it felt very powerful. I have to be honest, I do feel like more and more as her albums come out.
00:39:59
Speaker
If there was going to be a career path and how do a leap, I feel like we'll age eventually into the future with music wise. I do see her as more of a Kylie Minogue than anyone else. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. You know, like there is not, it's definitely not a Gaga. It's not a Madonna. It's not a Britney, you know, but it feels like a Kylie Minogue, like hands down. And I'm like, if you give us that and just keep doing that, I guarantee you, you will have a very long career. Please, Dua, don't stop. Please, please. Oh, my God, please.
00:40:28
Speaker
Because there's so much music already and also that's the other thing I've noticed about her. So if you are like a ridiculous stan of some of these women as me and you are, like the amount of unreleased Kylie Minogue music that exists out in the ether is so staggering for each album. Wild. Like they're like full other albums where it's like there's like 25 unreleased tracks and I'm like what are we doing? Like this is so insane to me. And oftentimes
00:40:56
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe it's going to result better than once. Yeah. Yeah. Like a lot or just or maybe not. Maybe not better. But like on par. Yes. But for sure sometimes. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Like it is. But I feel like this is happening with do it too because I have a whole album of like what was supposed to be I think originally side B of Future Nostalgia.
00:41:19
Speaker
And it's like that whole project of like I think it's like 10 songs 11 songs like a whole nother album of stuff I think some of them came out though like love is the religion whatever that would love is my religion lover's religion came out as a remix on club future nostalgia But I don't think I but she never released the official for I think it's so good Yeah, the original version leaked, but it's she never officially released. It is so it's so good. I like yeah I know shades of the blessed Madonna. It's great, but I love the album version. I
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's excellent. And then I think that kind of woman was one of the songs. And I bet that is so good. That's one of my favorite Dua Lipa songs that we don't talk about. It's so good. So good. And then also the was the she released If It Ain't If It Ain't Me. Yeah. Which is that my favorite? Not my favorite either. And it was originally the duet with Normani.
00:42:07
Speaker
I get it. We'd need a whole other episode. We really do. Girl, I feel like I have to pass her a note and study hall. I know. Girl, just run. Run. Separate yourself from that team. Something is happening. Buy yourself one of your contracts. Girl, it's been so many years. You're so talented.
00:42:28
Speaker
to and for again, I don't know if it's her or her team both to make us wait that long to release 159. When I tell you I heard a different song and I'm waiting
00:42:43
Speaker
That's all I can say. Yeah, I think. Yep. Yep. Yep. So anyway, Normani. Sorry. We are literally all rooting for you. We are. We are rooting for you. We are all rooting for you. Literally all of us are rooting for you. We really are. Yeah. But hey, she's going to live in that illusion. True. And back to illusion. Hallucinate walked so illusion could run, I feel. I agree.
00:43:10
Speaker
I think that this is like a precursor almost like they feel the most similar from album to album. Yeah. And it's funny that you say that because I think that upon my first listen, I think that I made that connection as well. I think that I was I was very much like, oh, yeah, I was like, I think I'm going to like this one a lot. Which to be fair to me as a fan would speak to songwriting abilities for her because the people that wrote hallucinate are absolutely not the same people that wrote this song.
00:43:37
Speaker
Oh, interesting. So it's like that there is a sameness that you have been able to bring, you know, that has to do with her somewhere. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. So it's like, I got to give it to her on that, on that a little bit. Is illusion the core five? Yes, from what I believe. Yes. I don't have any notes for that. Okay. So I'm guessing so. Yeah. I think that might be the only other dip because then I think there's other people in every single one. Let me see. Yeah. Falling forever. This is the one.
00:44:03
Speaker
This is the one. This is the one. This is the one. This is the one. So good. First of all, I will say, and it's incredibly evident on this song, she is in fine, better than fine voice. Oh my god. She sounds great. It's so good. Yeah. She's such a unique voice. Yes. And it's rich, it's strong. It's just the belting of the hum. I can't even do it right now. Right. Like the hum.
00:44:34
Speaker
Right. It gives me like edge of glory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it feels very anthemic. Yes. And and that's what's missing from pop music a lot right now is a lot of these big anthems. Yeah. Back to referencing back to the Z machine episode.
00:44:50
Speaker
he was talking about the writing of Habit and how he wrote it because he misses the bombasticness, the bigness of pop music. And he made the mention that everyone feels like pop music is very too cool for school right now. Right. With the strip back production and whatnot. And I really agree a lot with what he was saying. And this song, I think, brings out that bigness. We're getting that bigness. We're getting that anthem. Yeah. Club Stumper.
00:45:20
Speaker
No, a hundred percent. So now
00:45:22
Speaker
You've got the core five, but then they add in Ian Kirkpatrick as a songwriter who wrote Troye Sivan's Get Me Started. Okay. There's a co-write there and also did with do a Don't Start Now and Pretty Glee's. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that he was a big part of Future nostalgia. Yeah, yeah. So, oh, I'm glad that he was brought back to the project. And that Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys song matches was also with him. Oh my God, it was, it's so good. I love that song too, it's so good. Justice for matches. Right.
00:45:51
Speaker
How the hell did it get released? Where did that come from? That came out of nowhere. I have my suspicions. We could do a whole episode on Britney. I have my suspicions.
Unexpected Collaborations in Pop Music
00:46:03
Speaker
I think it was just trying to juice the... Because it's been nothing. It felt like it was a song that was recorded by each party separately. Right.
00:46:17
Speaker
ended up being unused. And so the record label said, let's make a mashup of the two versions. I'm going to assume, and I have no basis for this. This is complete conspiracy theory that it was either her song or their song. And then they were just like, hey, this is what we want to do. We'll take out this vocal. We need you to just do this.
00:46:36
Speaker
Yeah. To either camp. It doesn't feel like this was a concerted effort together. Yeah, no. So I feel like that's most likely what it was. Yeah, yeah. But hey, we have a Britney Spears Backstreet Boys song, so let's go write that. You're for it. Yes. I need remixes of Falling Forever. 100% and Please Dear God and Extended.
00:46:57
Speaker
And we need an extended we need remixes. I actually think I would love I would love if do it kept up with a tradition of club whatever album. So club radical optimism would love to hear that. I think this album lends itself perfectly to remixes.
00:47:14
Speaker
without a doubt. And I think we're going to see a lot of that. And they've been really interesting too because so obviously like on Houdini we had Adam Port which is again a very sort of like chic choice I feel because your average music listener probably doesn't know who kind of music is and doesn't really know who Adam Port is when it could be when we live in the days of, and again I say this with no shade whatsoever, of like the Felix Jan and the Jax Jones and the
00:47:39
Speaker
you know just like these sort of guys that they bring in on top to sort of just do these remit you know what i mean is that how you say felix's name felix jon felix jon yeah not me being felix jean the whole oh no i am britney jean i am i am i am felix jean
00:47:57
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah. To be honest, why would you know that? And you know what though, but why would I know that? But still, Google is at my fingertips and I just never... But I didn't know that until I heard someone from his label say it. Okay. And as soon as I heard it, I stopped him and I was like, now I know how to say it. Thank you so much. Yeah, there we go. Today, I was in a meeting with the label and they mentioned an Afro beats artist that I love who I've been calling Themba.
00:48:20
Speaker
And they were just, it's completely pronounced Temba. And I was like, okay, good to know. Good to know, thank you. Absolutely wrong. You're like, absolutely, that's what I said, Temba. That's right, Temba. Temba, got it, got it. Another great DJ. But so yeah, so then on training season, they had Chloe Calais had done a remix, which I love. And again, another very sort of like chic choice. I feel like you have to sort of be in the know of like, who is bubbling up in dance music right now, because
00:48:45
Speaker
And that's like a very mainstream thing for Adam Port to do from kind of music. This was a very mainstream thing for Chloe Kelly to do. So whoever is orchestrating these strings behind, I kind of dig it. And I'm going to guess it has to do with Danny Harle.
00:48:58
Speaker
I think it's very, very, it's worth noting. And I'm very excited to see what remixes are gonna end up coming from this era. Yeah, me too. And I'm really hoping for some additional because we really need it. I'm probably going to end up doing a remix of that at some point because I have to. You have to, you would crush it. Right, so it just feels like, yes. It's screaming for one. Yeah, which then brings us to anything for love. And now we add Julia Michaels.
00:49:28
Speaker
Hi, Miss Michaels. Yes. Welcome to the party. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage. Miss Julia Michaels. Miss Julia Michaels. Okay, fun. Cute. This was a song, again, I really need to avoid
00:49:43
Speaker
Album spoilers, reviews, listening party sessions, because the way that people made this song, everyone was like, they were like the switch up, right? They made it sound like I don't even know what I was thinking. But this happened to us with Ariana, too.
00:50:01
Speaker
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You know? Yeah. Like, especially after Yes And, I was like, a dance album. We're getting one. No, we're not. Nope. Nope. Still great. Still great. She said, mm-mm. Nope. Yeah. I'm going to release two dance songs. Yes. And that's all you're getting. Take that, F slurs. Exactly. This one's for the straights. Right.
00:50:22
Speaker
But yeah, no, I, but that said, I think this, you know, again, letting my expectation go. I thought this was a very cute song and I, and I, and I really liked it. I loved when the beat does kick in. I was like, I was like strutting down, like going on a little walk and I was like, Oh, okay, here we go. Yeah. And I totally feel like that's Julia Michaels influence because she has a way of writing, especially for women. I feel writing that very sort of like soft.
00:50:46
Speaker
Like there's like something about like what she does that just feels sort of like, I don't know, it's very intelligent. She's great. I just have nothing bad to say about her. I think she's fantastic. And I feel like I can hear her influence on this song because she was on this song and on the next one, Maria. And I feel like they're both sort of two sides. Yeah. And I love Maria.
00:51:03
Speaker
Love it. And I didn't think I was going to. Yeah. I was like, this one's a little, a little strange. But then when I've been listening to it more with the album, I'm like, oh, I actually really do love this song. I feel like this is her Jolene. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. One hundred percent. And this is the one, too, where there is like this like almost like acid beat like inspiration throughout the verses. Yeah. And I would say like when I heard Matt mention Ray of Light on Last Culturista, I was like, I.
00:51:32
Speaker
We love you, Matt. We love you. We love you so much, Matt. So much. But no. I was like, I was, so Brian and I are sitting on the couch and I'm sitting and I have it playing while I'm working and I'm like half listening to it and I heard him say that and I went, what?
00:51:49
Speaker
And I like popped my head up and I was like, rewind that. Let me hear that again. Yeah. So let me go on record and say an electronic bloop does not equal ray of light. An electronic bloop does not equal ray of light. If I was on Las Cultures right now, I would say that would be my rule of culture because I an electronic bloop does not equal ray of light. Right.
00:52:11
Speaker
Um, but I, but that all said, I do love this song. Yeah. And, and that's, that's another, again, I mentioned my production notes and like how I would have done things differently. I wish they would have leaned into that a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it deserved it. No, totally. And the lyric that I wrote, I know you're gone, but I feel you when we're alone. I'm like, yeah, this is giving Jolene. Yeah. Yeah. It's very that. Yeah. No, I totally love it.
00:52:36
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. I heard the streets are saying that the songs about Miley Cyrus. Oh, but I have like, I have no other information or like rumors to base that off of but I was like, because apparently they're like not friends anymore. But I have no clue how true that is. If that's just rumor. That's very interesting. Yeah. But I was like, I was like, Oh, so I don't know. But yeah.
00:52:59
Speaker
Miley's Miss Come Snatch Yo Man. Right. Yeah. Cyrus in
Rumors and Speculations in Music
00:53:05
Speaker
the streets. Miss Cyrus. She said, hold on. Wait one second. Wait one gosh. Let me let me show you my midnight sky. And she's going to show it to you. She's going to show it to you. We saw that candy trick, that candy magazine photo shoot. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker
Um, and then that again, again, I feel like we just started reviewing this album, but then we've got one more song, which is happy for you. So good. And such a good closer. I do love this song and I love the performance that she did for SNL. It was excellent. Yeah. Um, oh, sorry. No, I was going to say, and this really is like, uh, if she is the one, because like, you know, as speaking of songwriting, this one feels like a lyrical flex because it really is written so smart for like a song when you have complete closure and are like,
00:53:53
Speaker
happier, 100 percent having moved on and can be happy for someone else. Yeah. And that's so great. And I feel like it's it's it was done really well. So really props to you. Do if you did this one. Yeah. Yeah. This is I love this song. I love. First of all, let's celebrate that it's four minutes. Right. Let's celebrate that because I think that that's just, you know, I feel like a broken record at this point, but I just feel like
00:54:18
Speaker
pop music in general, but especially dance music, disco music. The beauty of dance music is you kind of need it to be longer to take you on that journey, to take you on that experience. Even if you're not giving us all these crazy highs and breakdowns and whatnot, it's the repetitiveness that takes you on that
00:54:42
Speaker
experience on that journey. Absolutely. So when this, you know, when you have songs that are two and a half minutes, it's next to near impossible to do that. Right now. And so to have a four minute song and it's just like, it's like, how would you describe the beat? It's almost kind of like a break beat in a way. Well, I think that this is probably the closest thing to me to trip hop on the album. Yeah. So I feel like that is where this sort of comes in. And I don't even know that I would still really call it trip hop, but it's esque.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Adjacent. Yeah, it's a trip up in this trip. It's trip hop adjacent. Yes, yes. Yes. But yeah, stunning song. Beautiful, beautiful melody is very ethereal, I would say. Yeah. I also think that it would lend itself perfectly to a great remix. Absolutely. And that's the thing about any of these songs, like all of them could. But it would be very easy to do. And she would be very smart to do that. You know, although where I think that the
00:55:40
Speaker
the thing for last album where she felt more like a club kid to me throughout this whole thing and what was going on. But I don't get that with this. So I'm like, I don't know if we're going to get that same sort of like full on club feeling, but I feel like she has the right gaze around her. Yeah. You know, so I feel like there's there's good decisions being made here for her. Yeah. But well, OK, this is me being a little nosy.
00:56:06
Speaker
And a little just like conspiracy theory, she did have a gay named Julian that hung around her a lot. And and I knew this because he followed me for a long time. And I no longer see them together.
00:56:23
Speaker
And she is someone that posts a lot of her friends and family. And I just don't see him in the posts anymore. And I don't see her and his posts. So I wonder if he was part of the old management team.
00:56:38
Speaker
Maybe that could be, yeah, possibly because I think that that Mr. Lipa is now managing her. Dougie. Yeah. Dougie. Dougie. I mean, I'm sure that's probably not how you say it. I'm sure it's probably not by any name. It's Dujay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lots. Yeah. So I don't know. But anyway, I would hope that she has the right gaze around her.
00:57:02
Speaker
It seems like she does. I feel like we're in a good era. And I feel like this is going to be something good for her. Yeah. Because like I said, it seems the promotion has been relentless. She's been doing a lot of promo. And I have to say, I just this is just speaking on Dua. Dua seems like the loveliest person. Absolutely. She seems like she is an absolute blast to be around. She seems she's like the perfect
00:57:26
Speaker
blend of chill and fun and exciting. She's got lots of taste and just, I don't know, every interview, every time I see her, I'm like, she just- She's doing hot girl shit. Yeah. You know? God.
00:57:43
Speaker
if my body looked like that, if I looked like that, if I was doing, forget about it. Just the essence, yeah. Yeah, good for her. Good for her. So that said, put out more. Please, please give us a deluxe version because well, now she's gonna be, what, headlining Glastonbury.
00:57:59
Speaker
Yes. I'm very excited about that. Very excited for that. I'm very, I, and, and here, one of your points earlier too, I'm very curious to see what she's going to do. Arrangement wise for the tour. Right. Um, that's one thing I didn't get the pleasure of seeing the feature nostalgia tour live, but I do remember from a studio 2024, I think that she kind of started a lot of the arrangements there and expanded on that tour. Yes, for sure.
Reflections on the Future Nostalgia Tour
00:58:26
Speaker
I saw the tour and I mean, but I was literally in like the parking lot.
00:58:30
Speaker
That was the tour, yeah. Like I went and last minute my friend was like, I have a ticket and I'm like, oh, but you're sitting in like, literally like the, like we're scaling the wall to get to this. And it was so far away, but it was, it was good. It was amazing tour and she was, she was great in it, but it, yeah, I agree.
00:58:47
Speaker
Yeah, if you if she does do a club radical optimism, is there any particular DJ that you would like to see on? I think if we're going to keep with the choices, I think like black coffee, I would like to see. I would like to see who else. I mean, I would love it if Rufus just sold it something.
00:59:09
Speaker
and just really sort of like leaned into like the etherealness of it all. I think that would be amazing. But like just the not again, the not obvious ones. I think that there are some like falling forever. Like you need somebody who's going to produce like an anthem. Yeah, you know, I don't. Yeah. You the fact that you just said Rufus De Sol, I'm not super familiar with the music. I actually know their music from following you and posting about their music. And so
00:59:33
Speaker
Now that you say that, I'm like, that would be it. I feel like an immaculate that or even Gorgon City. Yes, it would be incredible. Oh, that would be perfect. And they would be great for this. That would be really, really good. And I think that that's just the type of production that I kind of would love to have heard. And at least some of these songs just to give it right to switch it up a little bit. But I like now that you've
00:59:56
Speaker
To be fair, in my mind, I think that's sort of more what I was thinking we were going into with this was that this was going to be like a Gorgon City album. Yeah. And then it was going to be these just like banger dance songs, like one after the next, like they do. And I was like, that's what I was sort of. I mean, I should have known better knowing that Kevin Parker was involved that it was not going to be that right. Right. Fine. But it's, you know, yeah, I would love that. I know me too. So I think I think more things like that, like things that are not
01:00:28
Speaker
expected. I think that there are some like that that people get trotted out for so many remix packages that I'm like, I don't. Yeah. Right. And I feel like if she, you know, to again, to your point to about her being the next Kylie, that would put her in that path by doing the unexpected because as much as like, you know, and I feel like we've pigeonholed so many as me this whole time, like telling her what to do with her music.
Encouraging Artistic Exploration
01:00:52
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But I like. Right.
01:00:54
Speaker
But I do feel like we have pigeonholed artists so much these days into being kind of one thing. And you and I have grown up with so many artists and we love them because they have branched out and tried different genres and different things. And we loved them for it. I will still say I think Kylie's Golden Album isn't a bad one. I know people give her a lot of shit for that. I like that album.
01:01:17
Speaker
It's a great album. And oh, my God, there's a song on it. It was like one of the because I believe that she performed almost that entire album live for the Golden Tour. But there was one song. Oh, my God. I'm drinking on it. Live, live, live for live for now. And it's like the well. Yeah. At the end of the day. Oh, my God. Anyway, I forget the name of the song, but I loved that one so much.
01:01:44
Speaker
I loved it so much. Don't remember the title, but no, but but I agree. I think that that album people were just like.
01:01:52
Speaker
I don't know. I think that they want them to be one thing. Right. They want it to be one thing. And that was. Yeah.
The Evolving Appreciation of Madonna's Work
01:01:57
Speaker
And also in Kylie's, you know, her her Impossible Princess album and her self-titled album. Like there's excellent, excellent records. Right. Right. But it's so weird that like you can't because I feel like when I first heard like Madonna's Madam X, I was like, oh, this is going to be the next American life. No one's going to like this. Everybody's going to talk shit about it. And then 20 years from now, they're going to be like, you know what?
01:02:23
Speaker
There was some great stuff on this album. And I feel like we're kind of starting to see that already. Right. Like I'm I was revisiting it because of the Brazil show and was listening to Fash. Fash Gustoso. Fash Gustoso. Thank you. Featuring Anita, which Anita had already had made a name for herself at that point. But in America, I think that she was just kind of starting out
01:02:50
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like there was weird label things, too. I think she switched labels. I think she was not happy with one. I think there was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you know, hearing that album and hearing the way the musical landscape is kind of going, I'm like, Marjana was kind of ahead of this. Not like not. Yeah. Always. Always. Just saying. Just saying. Look, and again, and it's not even to say that, you know, not not. I don't I don't.
01:03:21
Speaker
I don't want to set her up in that way to be as if she knows everything and that everybody should grovel behind her. But Madonna does know everything and you do need to grovel at her feet. But get on your knees, no. But what I'm saying is that I think that there is something to be said for experience. And I think that there's something to be said for seeing what people can do to get away from them, what causes a reaction and really taking
01:03:48
Speaker
notes out of people's playbook and understanding, you know, like I think that there is something to be said for that. And again, this is I will always feel this way should nobody will appreciate this until she's not here anymore. I know. Yeah. And that's something that makes me really sad and really frustrated. And that's why like when I see her in interviews, I'm like, I get it when she's being like bitchy or when she's like if an interview was asking her dumb shit. Yeah, I get it. And I get why she acts a certain way and seems like a bitch. And I'm like, I would be too if I had 40 years of men
01:04:18
Speaker
talking down to me. It is appalling. Absolutely. I would feel the exact same way. In fact, sometimes I do feel that way. Living in West Michigan and being an openly gay man in West Michigan, sometimes it feels that way. I can't even imagine.
01:04:34
Speaker
And yeah, and so just you're just always you're always you're never taken seriously. You're always talked down to. It's always you're always too much. You're always trying the most doing whatever. And there's always like this like negative spin on everything that you do. And in this house, we are a team too much. We love that. You can never do too much. Absolutely not. Yeah. Her Brazil show. I lived. I had to watch it like in pieces because I was like all over the place. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:03
Speaker
All Sunday, all I did, I was watching, I was finding any illegal stream that I could find on YouTube, watching it. Oh, I like paid the 14 bucks for the app and the app didn't work.
01:05:13
Speaker
Of course. Oh, yeah, I know. I was I I was like, do I be? Am I going to be that person? Because it was like I think it was like an hour before it was going to start. I was like, how do I watch this? I know about this for months. Right. Right. Right. I needed the app. I knew I needed it. Like it's like I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah. But I was just like, you know, I was like, I know that someone's going to put it on YouTube and I'll just watch it that way. And which I did several, several times. And
01:05:40
Speaker
It was so cool to see that crowd appreciated the way that we should appreciate her in the States. Right. And if I'm going to be honest, like it was so like on threads, I posted about it and I posted a video saying, you know, like this is Madonna, 40 some odd years into her career. You know, it's amazing. One point six million people, whatever it is. And I was like, you know, I see people talk so much about her and have so much to say about her age and whatever I had written. And but anyway, here's a video of one point six million people singing like a virgin, you know, and it was like
01:06:12
Speaker
the absolute insanity of that. And people were on there, some of these queens, and were like, well, you didn't mention that it was a free show. And I'm like, OK, say more. What are you trying to say? Yeah. Not you trying to discredit an icon.
01:06:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sorry. Do you want to put on a free show and one point six million people show up? What did you do? Yeah, you know, like it's so bizarre to me. I think we can name maybe two people that can do the same thing. Let's be honest. Really, really like maybe in the world and the world. Right. Yeah. I think that I think that Beyonce could pull that crowd 100 percent. I think Taylor Swift could pull that 100 percent.
01:06:49
Speaker
And I think that's about to pull 1.6 plus million people to a free show. Because you're talking about people that had to travel. Yeah, like this is not just people that are local to that area. There aren't 1.6 million people in Rio de Janeiro.
01:07:08
Speaker
Right. You know, and so to pull that number. And when I posted the memes about it and had everyone like the amount of people from Brazil who were like, I was there and they were like, the energy was
01:07:26
Speaker
insane. It was magical. There were people there was one person who was like, I couldn't see a damn thing and I had the best time. Hey, there's one of the best videos I saw was like these people that were just in the crowd so far back during hung up and the amount of energy and dancing and love and joy and I'm like this like I'm sorry you can't deny that you can't deny that it's and it's a really true testament to and also
01:07:53
Speaker
Okay, people who want to sit there and be like, Oh, it was a free show. This is 40 years into our career. Right? 40, not 10, not 20, not 30. Like that is mind blowing. Also not like quote unquote, peak Madonna, right? Right at all, at all. And but that said,
01:08:14
Speaker
Someone had shared a photo of all the different tours that she had done throughout the different decades pulling those huge crowds since the 80s. People can shit on Madonna all you want. Have fun to it. I was like, the proof is in the pudding.
01:08:33
Speaker
And the thing is, you should look at that as a fan of pop music, as a fan of any of your pop girls, and say, that is what I would want for mine. And I hope that Taylor has half the career that Madonna has had. I hope that Billie Eilish has a quarter of the career that Beyonce has. And just, that's okay. Again, this polarization of this.
01:09:01
Speaker
my girl has to be the best, she has to be the best on the charts, the best on the charts. And I'm like, I can't tell you how much it doesn't matter in the real world. It doesn't. It does not matter in the real world. And also at the end of the day, all of these things, awards, charts, sales, streams, they matter to certain degrees. Again, it's a snapshot of the popularity at the moment and time or whatever. They all
01:09:24
Speaker
have varying importances. But at the end of the day, like, to quote about the art, it's about the art and it's the cultural currency for me.
Dua Lipa's Lesser-Known Tracks and Collaborations
01:09:34
Speaker
It is because like I said, when when when you think even if we're talking about somebody like Taylor, like, you know, go back to when The Lover album was released.
01:09:43
Speaker
at this point in time, whenever that was, 2019 maybe? It was before 2019. When you talk about the Lover album or you talk about any of the music from it, you talk about the art, you're not sitting here being like, well, Lover was the most streamed, Lover was the most pre-saved, Lover was the most, like, nobody cares about that. Like, tell me why whatever the, tell me why you, the fun you had to the song, Me, or tell me why this other song on the album made you cry. Like it's, that's the things that stays and it has to be that about the art. So it's like,
01:10:13
Speaker
Again, when I always say vanity metrics, like these things are not, it's okay, fine. Like if it makes you feel good, I'm so happy for you. But like, it just, it really doesn't matter in the real world. Completely agree. Do you think that me deserves the hate that it gets? I mean, I have to be honest. That was one of the ones that I had seen and I was like, what are we doing? Like I don't, like I, that was, I was just reinforced like that. She is not, she is not one of my girls.
01:10:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, she is. Again, I there are songs by her that I really like. Yeah. And again, I for days, I have walked around my apartment from Fortnite just going, I love you. It's ruining my life. Like that part. Yeah. Yep. I think it's so good. It's so good. I even tried to remix it. I was like, I have to I was like, I have to get it out. I just love it. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I love that. But
01:11:05
Speaker
Long live the queen. That was a really fun way to wrap up this celebration tour. And I think, like I said, Dua, because obviously she listens to this, keep doing what you're doing and whatever this is, whatever your team is, this is the go forward team.
01:11:26
Speaker
Yeah. Dua. Yeah. Dua. And we. Yeah. We love you, Dua. Yeah. And release club club radical optimism. Wait. So now I'm going to ask you before we wrap this up, what would be if we were going to have a song that we don't talk about very often, Dua Lipa edition. Oh, Dua Lipa edition. I had a completely non Dua Lipa related. OK, let's do that. So Dua Lipa edition. Oh, I have mine.
01:11:51
Speaker
I'm going to go with, maybe it is talked about enough. I don't know. You tell me. You tell me what you think on this. I'm going to say the, is it Zack witness remix of boys will be boys? Ooh. I don't think that's talked about. Here's the thing. Here's why I'm mentioning this, because with future nostalgia, let's just say future nostalgia standard edition, right?
01:12:16
Speaker
we have gotten into a time with streaming where huge hugely streamed albums are any of the songs going to be like obscure or whatever probably not like to that fan base at least like you're going to have a lot of people who are like that's not obscure
01:12:31
Speaker
But when she released Club Future nostalgia, that got a lot of shit, especially the DJ mix version. I remember when it first came out, people were really shitting on it. And I was like frustrated because I was like, you don't have to like it, right? But I was like, you're acting like she replaced the original album with this.
01:12:50
Speaker
And I was like, that's not what happened. But that remix specifically just breathed this whole new life into it. This originally orchestral ballad, it kind of was giving me adjacent vibes to the way that like Hex Hector would remix ballads in the late 90s and early 2000s.
01:13:11
Speaker
And just completely transforming it into a club stomper. Yeah. And so while that became a staple in the future nostalgia show, as far as like it like she transitioned into that remix and then it went into the club future nostalgia like mini dance break or whatever. Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker
me not going to the tour but knowing exactly what happened. Like you should. Yeah. But that said, because of the way that people reacted to that remix album, I'm going to go with Boyz Will Be Boyz's Zach Whiteness remix. I like that. For that album, the one for me was the Horsemeat Disco of Love Again. It is so good. I still play that in almost every time I go to Philadelphia.
01:13:54
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. Yeah, it's like within like the first half hour, one of the things that I play for sure. It's so good. I love. Yeah, I loved Club Future Nasalgia. There were some good ones on there. I liked the I liked the DJ mix because I thought it was something interesting to listen to in the little bits and the interludes and how they were kind of speeding things up and slowing things down. There's a few things on there. I don't like the physical remix with Gwen Stefani.
01:14:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I was like, I don't know what we're doing. I love the idea of having went to funny on here But then I don't know either make it sound like a no doubt song or I don't know what like it's yeah Yeah, that was a choice. Yeah, there was a choice production wise. Yeah that was a few of them but
01:14:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. For Dua, I think when she did the, I don't know if it was a complete edition or the first of whatever, there was so many of the first album. That was ridiculous. There was so many versions. But until we got to the complete where it had two CDs, it was just a ridiculous amount of music. The Moonlight Edition? No, no, no, no. Not Future Nostalgia, her debut album.
01:14:57
Speaker
Oh, oh, oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So they did like, it was like the standard. Yeah. The standard edition. Then it was like the deluxe. Then it was like the deluxe super deluxe or I don't know. I don't know. There was so many different versions of it. Yeah. But there was a song called, um, want to, Oh, I'm not familiar with this song. It's like 90 beats per minute. It's a, it's a total slow, like it's sexy as fuck. Oh God. I love it. I think it's produced. I think it's Jaguar. I think did it. Um, but it,
01:15:27
Speaker
love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And it just, it's to the relics of time. Oh my God. Okay. I have a lot with her though, to be honest. Like there's a lot of songs with her. So when, when I was watching the Las Culturistas, they asked her if she had ever gone to Coachella and she was like, no, she's like, I haven't been. She's like, well, actually I have been. She's like, but I only went there once. She's like, and that was many years ago. She's like to perform some song I did with Martin Garrix. And I was like,
01:15:52
Speaker
scared to be lonely i was like how dare you just gloss past that i was like no big deal right i'm like that is a song that we do not talk about enough do a leap but you should talk about it truly and probably i would say what that was probably like her us introduction kind of mainstream wise i feel a little bit i think it to the edm scene yeah but i mean i
01:16:10
Speaker
Could be the one was I think the first single and that was not that did better in London and in London in the UK than it did here. And then I think new rules was really like the big one for her. Yes. Yeah. That was that. That was the breakout hit. Yeah. Yeah. But I was I love scared to be lonely. Oh my God. The Brooks remix. Incredible. But yeah.
01:16:29
Speaker
that one. And then if I could go even further, even deeper, because it's deeper from the same debut album, she did a campaign, a fashion campaign with, it was either Yves Saint Laurent or, let me not get that wrong. I think it might be Yves Saint Laurent. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But she covered Cher's Bang Bang.
01:16:52
Speaker
And it's so good. And it was only on the Italian edition of the album. That's the fuck. Right. That's the only place that they released it. So I had to order it, the CD from Italy and have it sent over here so I could have that because it's so good. The whole track. They only used a little bit, a little bit of it in the ad. Yeah. It was Eve Saint Laurent. I don't remember. But anyway, but it is. I have to send it to you too. There is a video that they have liked the ad. I think it's an extended version, but it's
01:17:19
Speaker
Excellent, it's such a good take on that song. Love, I cannot wait to listen to that. That would be excellent. So, so good. But yeah, she has really, she has so many, and I would say from Future Nostalgia, this kind of woman. Yeah. It was so good as a bonus track. And I'm like, we did not, how did you not focus on that? I don't know. Yeah. So, so good. And that was one of the Stewart Price songs, wasn't it? Yeah. And he also remixed it then as under, how do you say it, Jacques Lecun?
01:17:49
Speaker
Yeah, just an alias of his. Yeah. And he's got it. I was a thin white Duke, I think is another one. He's got a few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would love I would love to see if he I mean, if there is a club, radical optimism would love to see if he did a remake. I mean, maybe falling forever. I mean, your price remix.
01:18:08
Speaker
And I don't even know like it's so crazy because it's like I don't even know who I would pick to do that in current day times. Because like I like you can't like I want it has to retain that anthem this for me like I think that there's a way to do it otherwise but I that's what I would want from it and it's like yeah I don't even know who I would pick to do that that I feel like wouldn't that would treat it really well.
01:18:29
Speaker
DJ John Michael, maybe? I mean, maybe me, maybe me. Or Hex Hector, if you're listening. I mean, girl, if you're listening, pick it up, pick it up. Just saying, just saying. Okay.
Nostalgia for Eurodance Music
01:18:40
Speaker
I want to wrap this up with my original song. We don't talk about it enough because I want to reference the text message I sent you earlier this week.
01:18:49
Speaker
because I think I just need to pull it up to read it because in case anyone missed it, I sent DJ John Michael a text message yesterday. Let me preface this with, I know that when I get the notification that you have texted me, it's going to be on some bullshit and I look forward to it. It's going to be on some bullshit and oh my God, where is this? Okay, I said, I am having a moment with Gina G right now.
01:19:18
Speaker
I've never really taken the time to listen to the rest of the fresh album. And holy shit, it's so my vibe. Right. And your response was perfect. And I can promise you no one else on Earth has sent that text in 2024. Even though this is right, this is not the first time we've talked about Gina G together. No, no. I was just not expecting that by any means. Right. And I I love
01:19:45
Speaker
Gina G's just a little bit. For me, it's like one of those childhood early memory songs. It is a boost of serotonin, and I specifically love to listen to it in the summertime when the weather gets warm. I don't know why. Also, a Eurovision song. A Eurovision song. I have one, right? I think so. No, actually, I don't know. Maybe it did. Let me see. Can you imagine? I have one, right?
01:20:07
Speaker
But while you're looking that up, I was actually giving the album a serious listen. No, it didn't win. It did not win. It did not. She just she represented the UK in 1996 with the song and it reached number one on the singles chart, but it did not. Well, fuck you, Eurovision. But Justice for Ooh Ah just a little bit. But I was listening to the album and I heard the song Give Me Some Love.
01:20:34
Speaker
And holy shit, like it just took me. It was clearly nostalgic. Obviously, the album came in one ninety seven.
01:20:43
Speaker
So it is that Europop dance. I think I think that song was produced by Metro, who famously produced shares believe. But the sound of the song, I the way I was like, I was like, how would I describe this to someone? And I was like, I feel like it is either Kylie, but I would say more Danny Minogue meets real McCoy is the way that I would describe the production of that song. And I fucking
01:21:12
Speaker
Loved it. And I have listened to it almost nonstop since then yesterday. That is radically optimistic of you.
01:21:21
Speaker
It is good. It is good. It is pure cheesy. I'm a sucker for Metro. Yeah, same. I'm a sucker for Metro. I really am. And the whole album was like, if you just go into it again with the mindset of like, I'm going to listen to cheesy, like mid to late 90s Euro dance pop trash. And there's some really good stuff.
01:21:42
Speaker
There is. Yeah. And that whole album, I mean, I'm basically like motivate. Yes. Produce like half the album. And so every song is basically a recreation of a little bit. But then but then Metro and I want to say that they did this before. Sheers believe so. And then you had then sent me the remixes of Tiamo. Yes. Which is you lovingly said walked so that Dobie LaMoure could run by Cher. So ridiculous.
01:22:09
Speaker
I just love Tiamo, though. And I want to say it was the Bayside Boys remix of that song. Who I think is... Oh, you're going to say it? Say it. I would say they did the Macarena. Yes. Famously. Famously the Macarena. Yes. But their remix like a trance inspired remix? Sure. 90s trance. 90s trance. Yeah, but again, everything is Euro. It's all Euro stuff. Yeah.
01:22:38
Speaker
I was like, I fucking love this. I don't know what's wrong with me, or maybe there's nothing wrong with me. There's nothing. But I just, I'm a sucker for that type of music. Oh, absolutely. Oh, look, we could fall down a labouche rabbit hole and all of those types of too unlimited, labouche, lick, lick, you know, like all of that, that, oh yeah, I love all that. Literally. But anyway, it was quite the moment that I was having.
01:23:01
Speaker
And even the song Fresh was such a bop. I was listening to it with fresh ears. And then I also just loved that I said the Fresh album. I think that was her one and only album. It was, as far as I believe. I think that she had a couple one-off singles after that.
01:23:20
Speaker
The music industry is really tough, I'm telling you. It's like so massive and then nothing. Yeah, and then nothing. It's so wild. Hopefully, she has that reissue of the album coming out. Right, it's coming out on Purple Wax, as it should have been. I love that. And we're getting, I believe, remastered album, some remixes, remixes that were never like released commercially. Yes. So not this being like a Gina G Stan podcast.
01:23:51
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I mean, we should we could do a whole episode on Europop music. Oh, my God. We really could. Oh, good. I live. I live live. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you won't forget me. That is a song that out of all of their songs that that is the one that there that is a song we don't talk about enough. I will say, OK, I have to revisit. Yes. Yes. That was like the you the U.S. House mix, which is 100 percent on house music. But it's I think that version was the one that was big here in the U.S., but all versions of it. I just live that was like
01:24:19
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Oh, Melanie. I miss her voice. Oh, all right. Queen. Oh, oh my God. Okay. Okay. Didn't know that. Well, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. We're going to be radically optimistic. Yes. And, and, and wish everybody well and stay safe out there. That's right. Until next time. Peace out. Bye.