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Totally Killer (2023)
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Have you ever wondered what movie you get if you combine scream and back to the future? We did. Join the Reshoot crew as we are joined by Smash Trivia John as we fix the timeline or die trying.
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TW: Murder, loss of parents, gore, sexism, drunk driving
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Transcript
Mixing Movie Genres: 'Totally Killer'
00:00:01
Speaker
Yeah, when I've been describing this movie to people, I've just been like telling people it's like Back to the Future, like Scream, and like Mean Girls.
00:00:11
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Are there any other movies that there's references to? Yeah, it's it's it's Marty McFly ah
00:00:19
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saving the Heathers from Michael Myers. That sure is a reference. Here's Smashy! yeah Welcome to Reshoot, amateurs in no suits, too many movies to explore.
00:00:35
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Ruthie, Hector, and Ed, laughter till the end, let's see something never done before.
Introducing the Hosts and Special Guest
00:00:45
Speaker
Hello everyone, welcome to Reshoot, an amateur's guide to good or film. ah film A podcast where we take movies that we like, dislike, somewhere in between, make them objectively better. Objectively.
00:00:56
Speaker
And today we have a special guest, a returning guest too, which is even rarer. We haven't scared him off yet. We haven't scared him off yet. All right. You want to introduce yourself? Hi, I'm Smash Trivia John. I'm the i'm the host of of the Gamma Analysis podcast.
00:01:12
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I also do just random short but video content and about movies I use on both YouTube and TikTok under Smash Trivia.
00:01:23
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and you can find me on all this ah these social medias, it is a Smash Tribune John. do have able to come back. I've wanted to do this ever since you guys had me on last time for the Howard the Duck episode. ah yeah You think that you're scaring me off, but it's more, you can't get away from me.
00:01:48
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I know Ed was terrified. probably told me you're coming back. In the middle of the night, he's just twitching. Duck tits. Duck tits, you know. oh
00:02:00
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Wakes up with boner. He's like, no, no. Yeah. Just recurring nightmares with the Howard the Duck movie.
00:02:11
Speaker
Anyways, this time it wasn't Howard the Duck. And fortunately or unfortunately, no duck tits in this movie either.
Discovering 'Totally Killer'
00:02:19
Speaker
Totally killer. Movie came out in like 2023.
00:02:23
Speaker
Completely flew under to the radar. I never heard of it until now. Ruthie brought it up. yeah I found it. I can't remember if I found it on YouTube shorts or Instagram reels because I can't.
00:02:36
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I don't have the willpower to resist TikTok, so I just don't bother with TikTok. But I saw a short of it, and it was intriguing.
00:02:47
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And then I kept seeing a couple shorts, and I'm like, I feel like this is a good, bad movie.
Is 'Totally Killer' a Good Bad Movie?
00:02:53
Speaker
And I was right. It's actually not too bad. no Yeah, um you removed the bad and you're more correct.
00:03:00
Speaker
So, the reason, and here's the thing, Smash, I invite you because he and I follow each other on Letterboxd and this was on his watch list. So, how did you discover this one? Um, I just, so, uh, well, one ah one, I hear i share up a lot of, uh, of, um, horror comedies that come uh, but also, uh, uh, but also, I just, like, uh, I browse Letterboxd a lot and ah and just like like if anything even piques my interest a little bit I add it to my watch list a true cinephile goes to hours on Letterboxd doesn't watch a single movie yeah
00:03:45
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I'm more likely to end up watching just random ridiculous shit I find on Tubi ball valid king shit
00:03:57
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Alright. So...
00:04:02
Speaker
do I don't think we need to do a... don't think we should... Should we do a quick synopsis or just say it's back to the future? It's back to the future. It's Marty McFly, back to the future, saving the Heathers from Michael Myers.
00:04:16
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Or saving the mean... The the plastics from Michael Myers. Yeah. At least give me a rub because I know. I don't know the Heathers. I've never seen Heathers. We just watched Mean Girls. Give me this. Yeah.
00:04:28
Speaker
We just watched both us. Basically, yeah. Marty McFly saving the plastics from Michael Myers. That's literally the movie. Or not from Michael Myers. From Scream. The Scream guys.
00:04:40
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less scream less scream michael on they reference scream in the goddamn they do and there's a thing but it's not it's not like scream the motivation from the the killer is more aligned well it's not more aligned because they're just doing it for something I think it does make more sense in scream mainly because it's different people who are the are the killer and not It's not always the same person. and I know, but- He's also not immortal.
00:05:15
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Yeah, like Michael Myers, the his like serial killer, or horror movie MO, is that he's just gonna keep he's just gonna keep coming. He's trucking along.
00:05:27
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Yeah.
Analyzing the Killer's Motivation
00:05:28
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That didn't feel like the sweet 16 killer. That doesn't feel like a one-on-one comparison. The scream killers, that kind of like clever kind of toying with people, uh, killing for cruel, like not killing because that's the only thing that they enjoy, but killing because they got to get the job done. They got, they got shit to do, you know?
00:05:50
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that's why I would compare it more to like Scream although Scream from what I know haven't seen any of these Scream movies I think they're just doing it for shits and giggles or at least the first one it's just two shitheads yeah it's two shitheads just uh I think there's some revenge involved in it but it's just they're just doing it because it's fun isn't it Shaggy too or Matthew yeah it's one of them is Shaggy yeah I need to watch it then
00:06:18
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yeah the the the whole like Scream, it being two killers is a really fun, like, I didn't know that was the thing when I first watched Scream.
00:06:31
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So it was a pretty cool, like, whoa, for me, at least.
00:06:38
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ah Yeah, we're not talking about Scream, we're talking about Totally Killer because I don't agree with the Scream thing, but sure, whatever, we'll do with that. Marty McFly saves the plastics from Ghostface.
00:06:51
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Oh, right. Again, I haven't seen the movie, so I wouldn't know his name was. That makes sense. scream Mr. Scream. No, it's Ghostface. Yeah. John Scream.
00:07:04
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um The guest is the Tsar. So you pick who goes first. You can pick yourself. um I'm going to pick Hector to go first.
00:07:16
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Okay. All right. the likes i actually laughed at a lot of the movie uh the no blow the no blowjobs bit was really funny to me so her reasoning for no bjs was because know you pee out of that thing yeah but she's still okay with you know having sex i mean yeah but you're not putting the pee in your mouth I know, but what isn't that worse?
00:07:47
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the Like, not the mouth? But she's not doing it for, like, purity culture reasons. She's i know but a pretty teenager. She just doesn't want people. Her reasoning makes no sense. sense and i don't think she's was that smart.
00:08:02
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I don't think she was written to be that smart in the first place. Yeah, still. Reasoning is kind of, like, backwards in my opinion. and She's like the the dumb plastic.
00:08:15
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Yeah. What's her face? i' dumb the first The first cousin. Yeah.
00:08:22
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I like that her mom was a completely different person and a mean girl in the past. That was like kind of
Familiar Faces in 'Totally Killer'
00:08:28
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funny. Also, I love that I felt so... we i didn't i was like, why does she look familiar? It's the mom from Modern Family.
00:08:35
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And that took me a bit to... Yeah. She was great. I saw her as a mom in a different movie or show recently also. Huh.
00:08:47
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Typecast as mom. Okay. I like the time travel. I thought it was actually well thought out for small movie. ah Some of the foreshadowing was great.
00:08:59
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Doug was hinted a few times. But I think a little more would have been good. Like his connection with Trish. Like, maybe if you maybe they talk to him, and if you see his locker, they notice a picture Trish. I don't know.
00:09:13
Speaker
Because it felt, it was, like, there was some foreshadowing, but it also, like, it kind of felt out of nowhere. Because all I was, my guess like, wait, he's the only one who knows how to fight karate. That's it. Yeah. Also, fights.
00:09:25
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Good segue, Hector. Planning on purpose. ah I high-fived myself. Wow, Hector's so cool.
00:09:34
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I pee from there. No, ah but ah the fight scenes were actually really well done. ah I could follow the action better than some other movies we've seen on this podcast that involve fight scenes.
00:09:47
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So, actually impressed. Also, I've never seen a Mandela effect happen in a movie like this, where it cuts back and forth. I thought that was cool, and then they... don't know. I wish we got more of that.
00:09:58
Speaker
Yeah. Because the closest we get is, like, Back to the Features, like, little fade and then new feature, but I'm like, nah, I want to see them live it.
00:10:08
Speaker
And my dislikes. Uh... I don't like Amelia was sidelined for a lot of the film. don't know. I know her mom was there, Lauren, and that was cool, but it just kind of felt like something was... I don't know. It felt like there was some good idea.
00:10:25
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She was really smart, but then she was also like almost kind of dumb. Like she built a whole ass time machine, but she didn't know she needed this one part.
00:10:37
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i mean i don't know I mean, that's the reason that the original one didn't work either, though. was because i mean, you never know. But yeah. Well, no, it's just like, I don't know. She only...
00:10:49
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and i'm not wording this correctly. No, you're fine. i get I just wish there was more of her. And I wish we saw more of the Mandela effect in the present. Oh, I hate this one specific scene.
00:11:00
Speaker
When she arrives in the carnival in the past and you're turning the camera 360... three sixty It was a weird way it was like stretched and like the paint. It was the opposite of a fish eye. It was. of Yeah. And I got a little motion sick, which never happens.
00:11:18
Speaker
I didn't like how obvious it was that Chris was the other killer. I don't know how to fix it. I can't. I think I fixed. I think I tried to, but didn't do too much with it.
00:11:31
Speaker
Um, it tries to be too meta and self-referential. I think just a 10% toning it down. Like, three less references to Back to the Future or Scream or whatever would have really sold me more on the movie.
00:11:49
Speaker
Oh, and Breakfast Club. They also mentioned Breakfast Club, right? yeah Yeah, that was like a whole thing of the friendship group, wasn't it? Yeah, because they were the Molly's. Exactly. So that part was fine. No, I'm just piling on other references. Yeah, fair enough.
00:12:02
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Uh, also when, when the scene where mom, the mom dies, Chris went from the front of the building of the house to the back way too fast. So I was like, oh, there's two of them, obviously maybe some time travel shenanigans of like from the past and from the future.
00:12:18
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And no, no, I, I was right on the two. i don't like how they did it. It felt, don't know. I think if you just had, like, maybe because i've played too much Kingdom Hearts, where it's like Xehanort's from all over the time stream at conversion to this one spot in time.
00:12:36
Speaker
Something like that, where it's like both versions of Chris. Or, uh, is everyone caught up on Invincible? Yeah, I'm caught up, at least on the show. i haven't never caught up on the show as well.
00:12:48
Speaker
All the Anton Levy's all just saying, fuck Mark Invincible.
00:12:54
Speaker
Nailed it. I totally watched the show, guys. I am one of you. What? Levy. Levy. Angstrom Levy. Angstrom Levy. There's only one. Oh, I thought they didn't he like.
00:13:06
Speaker
There's only one now. but But there were like a bunch of them and all of them. Yes. Mark, right? cause they all one Yeah, there's well only one had the power. Oh, he was trying to get the knowledge of all of them.
00:13:17
Speaker
OK, but his brain. No, no, you're fine. You're fine. I see. I've read the record show. I tried. You did try. I'll give you that.
00:13:26
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uh but yeah something like that could have been cool yeah so i think i found a way to kind of fix it have the actor for colin robinson be the older chris he's awkward i the actor's fine but the it his lower tone it just haven't talked like colin it would really sell that his podcast isn't successful And while younger Chris was barely there, it would be made up for with older Chris having some lines that really make that awkwardness shine.
00:13:59
Speaker
And then have Amelia help solve the case with Chris a little more. Who is entertaining her and he's like, oh shit. And gives her more it just gives her more to do and gives Chris more of a chance to be Rizalas. I just want to see more Mandela effect.
00:14:15
Speaker
It's just my excuse to see that. Also, I think to make the fights more fun, I'd like if Doug fought more improvisationally. like, he keeps losing the knife every kill.
00:14:27
Speaker
Like, something just keeps happening, so he has to keep finding his way out with more ridiculous shit. Like, the waterbed. or like... he chucks a toaster at one of them, knocks him out at the cabin. the knife gets caught in the waterbed or something? Exactly, yeah.
00:14:43
Speaker
So then he has to like fight using, like I don't know, maybe one of them has like an old doll, so he has to just get real weird with it. i don't know. Leans more to that scream kind of silliness.
00:14:57
Speaker
um Also, young Chris was in on it as a fake killer to throw the real one to to make sure Doug was thrown off the scent. cover for doug he never knew who it was because there were notes telling him what to do that's where got the idea to give a note to uh to pam the note was a lie though yes but that's the thing in this fix he would know he would be getting the notes from doug and maybe doug's blackmailing him or something and maybe that's where it gets inferiority because i couldn't stand up to that like my dad would have so remind me who the hell doug is again
00:15:34
Speaker
Doug is the principal and he's the guy who is the original Sweet 16 killer. the The only Sweet 16. The only real one. He's the real Sweet 16 killer. But this way, da ah you can still keep the timeline straight where Chris didn't know that there was the second killer.
00:15:53
Speaker
And then that way you could have like... And maybe when the time machine's fixed, that's how you get two different Chris's like front and back. don't know.
00:16:06
Speaker
Because, again, he went to the house way too fast, and it threw me off for what was supposed to be a more realistic-ish... it felt I was like, oh, there's some supernatural too, and there wasn't. don't know. But, yeah. I think that would work a little better. Because Chris, I think, was also at the party, along with Doug.
00:16:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's where we see Chris for the first time as a teenager. Yes. so And he wasn't cool enough to be in there, so... Yeah. So that would make the most sense.
00:16:33
Speaker
And I think that's all I fixed. i Again, this is my first, like, fix since finishing school. I'm like, ugh. Like, I finished my classes yesterday, so. And we watched the movie last week, so. Yeah. I think also this is just, like, ah much harder film to try and, like, fix because it's actually a decent film. Yeah. The film versus, like, so I, like...
00:16:53
Speaker
I like Howard the Duck, even though I love it. I'm very willing to admit it's not like some like a really good film. and um So it's very easy to be able to think of things that make it better. You don't slanderize Howard the Duck in this podcast. You're banned. Except for Ed.
00:17:09
Speaker
Except for Ed. You're banned. This movie's good, in my opinion, but also it's a very tight script. There's not a lot of room to really do it much with this to make it better or worse.
00:17:26
Speaker
i've like I watched it yesterday, and I really wish I would have watched it a while ago to let it settle more, because honestly thought I was going to watch it and it was going be a shit slasher, and I was pleasantly surprised.
00:17:43
Speaker
This is a lot better than our usual fare. I knew this wasn't going to be as bad as some of the other things that we we watched, but I felt challenged because Ed said that he was desensitized to bad movies. And I'm like, so bad is out. Let's do maybe not so bad.
00:17:59
Speaker
Well, I don't, but
What Makes a Movie 'Bad'?
00:18:02
Speaker
when I said it was desensitized to bad movies, like, I don't, I can watch a bad movie and be like, it wasn't, it wasn't horrible.
00:18:11
Speaker
Now, I still think about, ah sometimes though, I think about like Joker 2 and I'm like, no, but that was just straight up bad.
00:18:22
Speaker
No, that was gar that garbage is too nice of a term for that film, honestly. And you two Kraven is worse than Madame Web. And I still don't understand that. Kraven's so worse than Madame Web? No, because Madame Web's funny. Madame Web is...
00:18:37
Speaker
Madame Web's funny as shit. Ed, Ed, Ed, let me explain. Madame Web is so bad. I will explain it to It passes the so bad it's good. It had that one funny scene of what's- can explain. What's-her-face getting absolutely rocked. I will make it- That's it.
00:18:51
Speaker
Okay, Ed. Would you rather watch a movie about a- about paint dry- Would you rather watch paint dry? Or would you rather watch those like old-timey train and crash- compilations with like uh lively bouncy piano music i will i'd pick the bouncy piano music train crash over paint dry i will i will reiterate again madam web passes the so bad it's good threshold to just being bad again
00:19:25
Speaker
That's how bad that movie is. get paint It only has one redeeming scene of what's her name? What's her name? I forget her name. The girl.
00:19:37
Speaker
There's three girls. No, the one that gets rocked. Um, Sidney Sweeney? Yeah, yeah, Sidney Sweeney getting absolutely, totally destroyed.
00:19:47
Speaker
That's the only good scene in the movie. Kraven has more good scenes than... No, it doesn't. I don't remember a goddamn thing from Kraven after, like, a week after watching it. That scene with Rhyno screaming is the funniest thing. Outside of that, I don't remember. Smash had something he wanted to say, guys. That, like, held the stream.
00:20:06
Speaker
I was just gonna say, I i personally... actually enjoyed Madam Web. I thought it was a lot of fun to watch, but ah but I absolutely understand most people don't like it. I do think it is, ah it isn't nearly as bad as what people say. People act like it's the worst thing that they've ever seen. I'm like,
00:20:27
Speaker
you obviously have not seen very many bad films. No. Yeah, but like- No, but like, this this is a bit- Did see Kraven, Smash? I have not seen that yet. See, even he hasn't seen it. It looks so boring. Yeah, thank you. He watches so much superheroes. He watches funny- this is an This isn't a dig, Smash.
00:20:47
Speaker
John, this isn't dig. I'm just saying, John watches so much superhero stuff, more than like, I think all of us combined. And he's- Even he skipped Kraven, Ed, because it was boring. No.
00:20:58
Speaker
and just looks so boy like It boring. It was like the most stereotypical boring action movie they looked you at all. It was. It was. it was
00:21:11
Speaker
You know what Kraven did have?
00:21:14
Speaker
Pretty good supervillain. Who? The foreigner. He was not cool! He was so lame! He was so fucking lame! Wow! so The Foreigner sounds like like such a boring superhero. He doesn't have power. thing like like my god They give him this weird hypnotism power that makes it seem like he's super fast. No, no, no, no,
00:21:38
Speaker
The hypnotism power is in the comic books. No, it isn't! Yes, it is! Not like that! In the comic books, he's just a trained assassin that knows hypnotism.
00:21:48
Speaker
In the movie, he actually has a superpower. No, it's the hypnotism. No, it's not. I told you. It's like, what's his face from Code Geass?
00:21:58
Speaker
Didn't we settle this in the Kraken episode? Yes, we did. i don't care. i don't care. Rold, Rold, or whatever his name was, right? Cesar, Cesar, take what you do, who pick someone next.
00:22:10
Speaker
Get Ed to shut up and my life is yours. Alright. I'm going to let Ed talk some more because he's gonna be like... Uno.
00:22:25
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. This movie was surprisingly entertaining and fun. It...
00:22:35
Speaker
it seems like a fun movie to watch in halloween honestly to just re-watch and whatever uh yes yeah so i liked seeing modern family mom in the movie i enjoyed that she's always great in whatever she does
00:22:53
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um
00:22:59
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i I both liked and disliked the kind of like, like the first thing she sees after time traveling is like the FBI shirt.
00:23:11
Speaker
Right? And she says like that that shirt is so problematic. And right when she said that, on like, oh, it's going to be doing this kind of stuff, like pointing out all the stuff that was like socially acceptable previously that is now not socially acceptable.
00:23:33
Speaker
and like also like the the the mom just like giving her a ride because like people just did that sometimes way back in the day i'm not i'm not even sure it was common in the 80s though is the thing because i think that's when serial killers really started becoming like popular media and they were active at the time yes I can answer this because I am a true crime girly.
00:24:01
Speaker
Yes, that kind of shit did happen in the 80s. The like giving a teenager a ride and serial killers really started like coming up 70s. 80s, there were a lot of them, but like 70s was when it started appearing.
00:24:16
Speaker
um 80s was like, I want to say Jeffrey Dahmer. And like when they found Ted Bundt. No, he was already arrested. 80s was also the north the South Korean killer from Memories of Murder. Yes.
00:24:28
Speaker
But, like, it it had already started with the 70s. Yes. And, like, by the 90s, that's when, like, crime had gotten so bad, people were like, okay, shut this shit down. And becoming a little bit more, like, reserved.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Everyone was doing way too much coke in the 80s to worry about stranger danger. Yeah, and the mom hadn't even done coke in the 80s. And the 80s were almost over.
00:24:51
Speaker
um it that That was a good one, I think. um also just yeah i don't know like i kind of like the some of the things that she brought up that's like that was wild that they did in the 80s she's like walked into a school and said hey i'm a transfer student and she's like here's your schedule like not even checking i ay did like the whole drunk driving bit where he's just like I thought that was actually I drive better drunk and she's like I a hundred percent there's no like there's no way and he's like that's exactly what a chick would say because apparently they also said chicks shouldn't drive because that was also a thing you said back then i mean it's did they spoke the truth back then
00:25:43
Speaker
Yeah. I say this with Ruthie driving me every... um but faster once this One thing they should have done more of if they were going to do this thing was... Because I think ah it only happened twice where she like pointed out...
00:26:02
Speaker
like things that they would call each other and like the the the lesbian joke and then the calling what's his face uh the r word yes hector the lesbian joke was a back to the future joke and i didn't catch it until i was talking to smash about it it is oh yes because she's like she's asking her daughter ah she's like oh my god lez out with and that's her daughter and she doesn't know that's her daughter.
00:26:29
Speaker
It's like the scene with Back to the Future with Sleeping with... it that's not so That's not the only time that they make that that exact Back to the Future reference as they also do it with her dad as she's attracted to her dad. Yeah, that's right.
00:26:45
Speaker
I think it was funny with the mom though once that one kicked... because that was a sleeper. yeah say think I think they should have focused more on the just like how teenagers talk to each other back in the day i don't know like i grew up in the 2000s but i assume in the 80s they still used a lot of the words that we used in the 2000s like calling friends like very offensive stuff now at least who back in the day i think and i think i would have enjoyed that more
00:27:18
Speaker
oh it'd be some more that yeah more of that than than just like the drunk driving the the like actual mean name calling like fat test or whatever they called whatever her name was fat trish yeah
00:27:34
Speaker
that kind of stuff like i think it should have focused more on the kids how teenagers were back then kind of yeah but that that's literally like my biggest like
00:27:49
Speaker
Like, I haven't seen Back to the Future. Still. So... Wait, you haven't seen Back to the Future, that the line you're referencing? No, I haven't. You've never seen Back to the Future?
00:28:01
Speaker
Wait, serious? never seen Back to the Future. None of them. Dude, it's so funny. Like, Back to the Future and Godfather are like the two movies that film schools talk about all the fucking time because they the perfect script. I'm actually like flabbergasted. His gassed is flabbered.
00:28:17
Speaker
i'm not I wish we had video. His jimmies are rustled. My jimmies are super rustled. His gears are grinded. You've never seen Future. You watch the most obscure A24 films that I'm sure even A24 forgets they make.
00:28:34
Speaker
And you've never seen Back to the Future. no Goddamn. Just like it was surprising that I told... To be fair, that I haven't seen The Godfather. oh my gosh. You're not missing much. Everybody talks about how good The Godfather is. It's... it's
00:28:53
Speaker
it's island samature film fan a cinephile is talking it's pretty good it's kind of boring to me to be honest it's pretty good it's if you don't like slow burns you're not gonna like it its yeah it's a very specific style it's a very specific style it's it's a very style you either like it or you don't i me and ed personally do like that shit um and i'm right do you okay like i want I want to be able to sleep in the bed tonight so i can't say anything. Yeah.
00:29:24
Speaker
yeah Cuddled with Bingus. Yeah, Cuddled with Bingus. We got new cat named Bingus. Okay, Smash, have you seen... Did you like... ah Did you like the Penguin?
00:29:36
Speaker
I haven't watched the Penguin show. yeah You haven't watched the Penguin? Patrick's crashing out squared. You like the Penguin. Did you like the Batman? ah the battle It was alright, but it's not what I want from Batman.
00:29:50
Speaker
That breaks my heart. Like, I want a more fantastical Batman. and and i ed to ah And I also was like don't like how realistic they made all the villains and ahs for the Matt Reeves universe.
00:30:04
Speaker
Oh, shit. Okay, so Ed's out of the episode. Like, his shit crashed. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, at least he said, I'm pretty sure he said just about um all the things he wanted to say. ancient He said that there wasn't much else that he would change.
00:30:25
Speaker
We are back after some technical difficulties on my end and my end only. And Hector was mid-crash-out. Go. Who was that complaining? Yeah, you'd never seen the Batman either. he's seen the Batman. I've seen the Batman, but not the Batman. He hasn't seen it back in the future. I haven't watched the Penguin.
00:30:44
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You watched the Penguin, which is a lot better. I haven't watched the Penguin either. you I mean, you don't like cape shit, so you're fine. You don't like cape shit as much, so you're fine, Ed. I excuse that. But I'm surprised you have... it's I'd argue it's more in line if you didn't like the Batman, you're going to like the Penguin.
00:31:00
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Because it's just a bunch... It's like a demented It's Always Sunny thing of like him trying to fuck everyone over to get to the top. It's fun. but ah If it were Danny DeVito's Penguin, I bet that would be the case.
00:31:15
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That's fair. That's fair. yeah He got you there. He got me there. i mean, like... i As I said too, I think we we weren't recording at time, but like I like Batman's villains being the fantastical comic book butie versions of themselves.
00:31:34
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ofves And ah the Batman's and's version of the Penguin is just a a stereotypical mobster. I know, but the the Batman's version of the Riddler is the best.
00:31:47
Speaker
He's just an incel. He's basically hush. He's not like the actual Riddler at all. He's hush. It's he did it not is it's a villain. It's another Batman villain. they had a twist The Long Halloween did a twist where I think the Riddler or someone was actually hush.
00:32:08
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And I think they just took inspiration from that. I know the comic is based off of it. Also, man, I need to um really need to read the long Halloween. I've read like half.
00:32:20
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Alright. Sorry, we got lost. Alright. It was still my turn. Mid-crashout stuff. Crashout over. Alright. um
00:32:37
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I don't remember what I was either glazing or complaining about. You finished your dislikes and you and you were like, I don't know, there's not a lot to fix. And then you did kind of do a fix. Oh yeah, I did i did say that. like they should I don't want to use the language here that that i would that like kids use to talk.
00:32:57
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You want us to be more authentic. Yes, I want it to be more authentic. To really drive home how bad it was back in the day. Right? Sorry, what? you Just to drive home how really messed up it was back in the day.
00:33:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it was messed up. I was trying to give you a slam dunk there. And you kind of barely teetered it over the door. You're giving me a thing and I'm like, I don't want it. ah um Yeah, it was messed up.
00:33:29
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um
00:33:32
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I...
Challenges in Improving the Script
00:33:39
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I'm not also a fan of... I mean, i don't know. Like, it's so hard. Everything's so, like... This script, there's nothing to add. Anything I remove will just make it worse. Like, it's too... This one's too hard, honestly, for me.
00:33:56
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I should have given it more time to really rummage in my mind about things. And maybe take notes. Sounds like Ruthie did a really good job at giving you a challenge.
00:34:08
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Yeah. yeah they the The only thing is I just wanted it to be more authentic with how kids talk to each other. Friends talk to each other back the just want more slurs. Yeah, I want more slurs.
00:34:20
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Clip! cool Out of context. um Even with context, you kidding me? Yeah.
00:34:31
Speaker
That was an actual complaint by some alt-right dude my friend recommended me to watch on YouTube once. he He played bor he was playing Bioshock Infinite and he was like, they need to say the N-word because the game deals with racism. And I'm like, the people who experience that shit.
00:34:45
Speaker
Don't need another reminder. yeah Speaking as someone who has been called the raw N-word a few times, not not because I'm i' um brown and they just chose the wrong slur. They're idiots. Yeah, pull out your slurthosaurus, idiot. Slurthosaurus, yeah.
00:34:59
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Your slurthosaurus, dude. It was right there. Slurthosaurus. The correct slur starts with an S. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah I don't even know.
00:35:12
Speaker
I don't even know. I don't want to know. okay i'm good without going either the
00:35:22
Speaker
the yeah the less slurs i know the better yeah well maybe you also might want to be knowledgeable about the slurs so you can call people out on it but that's like the difference between like european slurs and american slurs american slurs are very like overarching where like European slurs.
00:35:44
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They have to like, where is your family from? What what county? What town? It's like King of the Hill. Yeah. when they when the low I was the same clip.
00:35:57
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And the dad's like, layo the dad is so racist that he know you just can just tell where you're from. Because they they're like, are you Japanese or Chinese? like I'm from Laos.
00:36:10
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And then the dad's like, yep You're Laotian, aren't you? and he's like I told you I'm... so that's Yeah, that's right.
00:36:20
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We need to get the... we yeah Yeah, good bit. good bit Good bit. Anything else, Ed?
00:36:29
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I would remove the scream aspect of it. To just one killer the entire time?
00:36:36
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Yeah. You know, I was actually thinking about this. ah when when would what's your face described how time works in their universe?
00:36:48
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I was thinking like, lord yeah, I was like, oh, are they gonna 12 monkeys this shit? And that would have been interesting. 12 monkeys is so difficult to do. I feel like it's easier to do multiverse. No, no, no, no, no.
00:37:04
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The 12 Monkeys, I know how the 12... We've watched the goddamn movie. I know how 12 Monkeys works. I'm just saying, Multiverse Series 1 is probably... This film doesn't seem like they fully work. I feel like the time travel was second to the thriller aspect compared to 12 Monkeys. I mean, yeah, but I'm just saying that, like... This was very, like, pop time culture. This was... Or, time travel. This was not Primer. This was not 12 Monkeys.
00:37:29
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I know, but I'm just thinking, like, i was thinking that maybe when she went back in time that, uh, I forget exactly what, like, tipped me off that it was doing that, but...
00:37:47
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that it might have been doing that, but, like, just, like, oh, she turns around the back, takes the killer with her, and then she's the one that, like, because of that, that's why the killer kills the girls, like, then. That would be interesting. That would have been interesting, yeah. Yeah.
00:38:02
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And then its it it plays out more or less the same, except it it doesn't get killed by the scythe. girl and then well but would it be different girls every time because in this one it's that uh it was tiffany then in the original it was tiffany then yeah no nothing would change that's how 12 monkeys works well yeah that's what i mean but in yeah the original or the one yeah it would be the original order yeah everything plays out the same except for the order of the killings and how they happen happens exactly you want the film to be a never-ending loop
00:38:36
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I guess, yeah. What was the one we did? Primer? but Not Primer. That wasn't a loop. What was the one I picked? oh Triangle. triangle That's a loop.
00:38:47
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i love I love time loops. I love a good time loop. i love a good time lo I mean, it wouldn't be a never-ending loop. It's just ah a loop that happens that one time. Or maybe like a self-fulfilling prophecy would be more... That isn't that is 12 Monkeys Time Travel. that's i've never watch I've never watched 12 Monkeys, so that's why I'm trying to figure out what mean. You might like it. It has the same kind of griminess as Howard the Duck does with its sets.
00:39:18
Speaker
It's yeah. and there's some other hit and Acting like an insane person is. Oh yeah. yeah No, it was an insane movie. yeah I do recommend it. i don't know. i like the time travel where you can't change stuff.
00:39:32
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So I would probably do that. And then I would also resolve it that she. ah
00:39:39
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She doesn't. ah Find a way back to her time. And I think the only thing that she would change is that, like, the only thing that I would change is that she does, like, live out through the 80s and then saves her mom before she gets killed.
00:40:02
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You're muted.
00:40:07
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oh Not sure what's going on. Oh, sorry. I muted myself. yeah i've done I expected her to be like, oh yeah, she's going to live out in the 80s and then she's going to come to the future and then she's going to just wait it out. And then she's going to be female lurch. Maybe there was some... no the the don i would I would just change that one thing that she does.
00:40:27
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she's She's not able to save the the first girls, but she's able to save her mom. How is she able to save her mom That feels like that breaks your own rules, though. Yes, it does.
00:40:39
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no Or maybe not. But it doesn't, because ah the whole point, that's how it originally happened. It was the three girls died and then her mom lived, but the note was fake. Yeah, but I'm just saying that like when her mom gets killed in 2023, I would break it the rule there. okay.
00:40:57
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Because, don't know. Because I don't want her mom to die still. Yeah.
00:41:06
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that's That's what I would do, I guess. I almost expected that she'd have to be the killer. Oh, shit. She'd have to be the killer? Yeah, I thought about it, I couldn't find a way to make it make sense. That would be pretty bananas.
00:41:17
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Yeah, like, you have to make her kill. She looks she'd take what's his face back and he's actually the he is the original killer and no yeah but no but like she has to kill her mom because otherwise like the time space like stuff like no writtentney will get nu there's two of her an older one and a younger one once she lives those 23 years later that's what i mean yeah she waits 23 years later and then kills her mom to make sure that everything plays out otherwise something bad happens i couldn't figure it out i but i can't i can't take this movie and make it a dark movie i was trying to he wouldn't be able to beat the allegations that way yeah yeah ah
00:41:58
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ah i want to keep a little bit of the light like happy light-hearted aspect no ed i was thinking mulling my brain over trying to see if i could figure out how to do this i couldn't do it yeah no just break the rule doesn't matter yeah break the rule the matter
00:42:15
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and maybe maybe Maybe to hint that she can change it. Like the kills happened very slightly differently. But not obviously differently. She just doesn't know exactly the steps to take to make it. Or maybe you just... It's too close to the actual killing.
00:42:35
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And she has to change stuff a little bit previously or with with time in advance before she can actually change stuff. Who knows? There's a way to explain it away.
00:42:46
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Okay. No, I get You mean no. Yeah. Alright.
00:42:52
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Alright. I'm done. it... no it time travel we would have to work on a script and i don't want to do that to make this make sense all right yeah we're done we need a whole flow chart all right i'll have ruthie go next all right um I was talking about this to Hector and he understood what I meant, so I hope that means that the rest of you will understand what this means.
00:43:20
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um I liked that this movie did not take itself too seriously, unlike Sharks of the Corn. Like, I felt like Sharks the Corn, the first half, it takes the piss out of itself.
00:43:30
Speaker
And then the second half, it's like, no way, I can be serious. And then it's... I just thought through that. But this one I felt like had ah surprisingly amount of... It had...
00:43:41
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almost the right level of not taking itself seriously. There were some times, but I'll get into that later. Um, I felt like the casting was really good. All the characters, uh, all the actors did really good jobs with their roles. I know you didn't care for Chris, but it could have been way worse. No, I thought he was fine. I just thought, I just really liked the call Colin Robinson actor. It's a funny bit.
00:44:04
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Yeah. I just like the actor too much. And I'm like, he'd be perfect for this role. If you just tweak the script a little. Yeah. Um, I enjoyed the ending with Jamie being Colette and then she has an older brother.
00:44:18
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i liked the like the updated ending bit. I don't know. It was entertaining. And then, yeah, Hector mentioned it, but seeing the continuity changes playing out in the present.
00:44:29
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um Trippy, kind of tariff. Like if if I were in Chris or Amelia's shoes, I would be a little terrified.
00:44:41
Speaker
But yeah, um, dislikes. The relationship between adult Chris and Pam felt kind of weird and amorphous. Like they were texting, but they didn't really spend any time together.
00:44:53
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But apparently Kara, admittedly she's not very good sheriff, assumed that they were having an affair together. it kind of just felt like their relationship was whatever the plot needed for the scene.
00:45:12
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um Also, Kara was friendly enough to hang out with Pam all the time in high school, but then she thinks that they'd boink after how much shit Pam talked about Chris.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. it's like I mean, you might have just, maybe when you're old enough, you look back and you're like, maybe they were boinking or maybe they something. I know.
00:45:35
Speaker
Like, I can kind of see it. Like, looking back, it's been, God, like 20-ish years. yeah You forget a lot about people in that time. That part wasn't too unrealistic for me. ah Yeah, I don't know.
00:45:48
Speaker
That was just me. Okay. And I do know why, but I still need to ask it. Why is it that no one in this small town where apparently no one moves out after graduating high school, um why are they all insisting that Marissa, Heather, Tiffany, and Pam were angels?
00:46:05
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Especially because they all went to high school together with the girls? Like, I know it's a halo effect. I know it's like They're pretty pretty girls, so they're gonna be treated like perfect victims.
00:46:18
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Whatever, whatever. but And I know it's also for the bit. It's like, oh, they were they were so sweet. They were gone too soon. And then you find out, oh, they were total super bitches. Not even regular bitches. Super bitches.
00:46:31
Speaker
Giga bitches. Giga bitches. One might even say mega bitches. What's the difference between bitches and mega bitches? No, Giga is bigger than mega. I don't fucking know. What's the between a gigabitch and a regular bitch?
00:46:45
Speaker
What? You missed on a good size queen joke there. What's the difference between a gigabitch and a regular bitch? What? I'm asking. This is not retort. This is an aside for a joke. Help please.
00:46:57
Speaker
Keep asking over and over. Because you guys don't hear it. I've heard it every time. i'm like good A gigabitch talks shit to your face. A regular bitch talks shit behind your back.
00:47:10
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I've heard the gigabitches. Yeah, I don't know. But not one person would just secretly, like maybe not to Jamie's face, but like nobody in the background was like,
00:47:23
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Fuck em. I know. While I liked that it didn't take itself seriously, I felt like the film spent a little too much time reminding the audience about Back to the Future and how close the plot is to Back to the Future that it kind of failed to stand on its own two legs.
00:47:46
Speaker
smash like have something you want to say to that no i was just listening okay um and it's yeah it's i mentioned it in here and mentioned uh it reminded me a lot of mean girls and i thought it was ironic because that was the last episode we did um there's a point where pam and jamie have a falling out because jamie accuses pam of being part of the reason that uh fat trish died And being just as bad as the rest of her friends. And I don't know, it just felt really forced.
00:48:20
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Like, like a producer was like, well, they have that trope in Save the Cat, so you have to have the big falling out before the final act. Yeah, I thought it was just like the only way they could have it so that she could sneak kill the killer.
00:48:34
Speaker
What?
00:48:37
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Who do you- You're talking about they kicked her out. The the no future cop, right? No. I get all of them mixed up. I'm sorry. No, I'm saying there was a point where Jamie accuses Pam of helping with what happened with Trish and letting her drive home drunk and getting her killed and Jamie says you're just as bad as the rest of them.
00:49:01
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And then it's revealed somehow that Pam had nothing to do with that part. And it just felt like Jamie was moral grandstanding Yeah, I mean she- The one time that Pam didn't need it?
00:49:14
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Yeah, yeah. I don't know. It just felt so forced. no I agree. I don't know. I think that- ah that that scene kind worked to me because i she didn't, obviously hey Jamie did not know that know that Pam hadn't been a part of it, but I think it makes sense to me that she would be a even more annoyed at Pam for being a part of that than the rest of them because Pam is her mom.
00:49:43
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So ah it makes sense that she would be, that Pam would be the one that she gets really mad at about that.
00:49:52
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I can see it. Yeah. You want me over again. I'm sorry, Ruthie. I'm picking both sides, so I'm always stay on top. Okay, Dennis.
00:50:03
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It's Mac! No, that was Dennis. ah um
00:50:10
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Hector, disagreed with you. There was one point when you were like, oh, well, Doug was really well foreshadowed. I felt like Doug, adult and teenage, they faded a little too much into the background.
00:50:22
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Adult for sure. I'm surprised we got nothing from that. Yeah. um I read the Wikipedia right like before we recorded just to make sure I got my notes right. Doug's the principal.
00:50:34
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Yeah.
00:50:37
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I totally missed I don't know if they probably did do the flashback. They did. I did not realize that was the principal in present day. Yeah, they totally let a spree killer.
00:50:48
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Feels like a missed plot line there. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But ah both the adult and the teenage Doug, I felt like they'd always... And again, I say it when the plot needs it, but that's like how all story things work. But it felt like the plot was like, well, we need another red herring, except this one's the actual one. So we need a fake out to the fake out.
00:51:10
Speaker
And so we'll throw Doug in the mix. Yeah, I think... i think There should have, um if we Dog being the principal on present day, they should have had like a little bit of him being like him having a reaction to the fact that they i have to the killer was back. and i Since he was the original killer, so he would be he should be weirded out by the fact that the killer's back and it's not him.
00:51:41
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Yeah, yeah. i feel Agreed. mega It feels like a whole Dexter subplot or whatever. I've never seen Dexter. i have. But it feels like that kind of thing. Like, the serial killer wants to kill the other serial killer.
00:51:53
Speaker
That's what should have happened in the third act. Doug, adult Doug pops up after child teenage. I was expecting that, though. I was actually expecting something with adult Doug. So I was like, wait, it's over? Yeah. Speaking of red herrings, I felt like Lurch...
00:52:06
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was a very bare bones red herring like in other movies when or like in other media uh when it's like oh well this guy he's the outcast he's the social outcast and everybody thinks that he did insert bad thing but then it turns out he wasn't insert bad thing person he was just a guy that everybody hated he was just super weird yeah Well, like, the old man in Monster House, um the guy in the attic in To Kill a Mockingbird, ah the weird guy in The Goonies, right?
00:52:39
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All of them. They actually were beneficial to the- Like, they they they helped the main cast in some way. In this movie, Lurch had a van, worked in the at the amusement park,
00:52:58
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And liked video games. And he liked video games. The worst sin of them all.
00:53:04
Speaker
How many hours you got Night Rain again? I planned the damn thing. Got him. Um... So here's how I'd fix the movie. I think there's some other things that I could do, but this is just what I could think of.
00:53:17
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um First fix, just mostly for my entertainment above all else, instead of Jamie relentlessly mentioning Back to the Future over and fucking over again, um she spoils, because Back to the Future came out in 85, they're in 87.
00:53:36
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She accidentally spoils something from part two or reveals that there is a trilogy And it pisses off somebody. Most likely it's gonna be Pam because she's a secret sci-fi nerd.
00:53:49
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I'm surprised that even Jamie didn't know her mom was a sci-fi nerd. i don't know. Yeah. There should have been something that kind of hinted at it. Yeah. ah Yeah, she could have, instead of dressing up like a girl from brat Breakfast Club, she could have dressed up like Rachel from Blade Runner.
00:54:07
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Well, but she wouldn't, because the whole thing was that her friendship with the Mollies was kind of shallow. No, I'm talking about future future mom oh Oh, yeah. She was dressed up as girl from Breakfast Club.
00:54:23
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She could have dressed up like ah like Rachel from Blade Runner or some other girl in some other sci-fi movie. Another 80s movie reference. The three-boobed lady from ah from ah Total Recall.
00:54:36
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Oh, yeah. She could have dressed up like Mia from Total Recall. Mia, what's her... I'm saying the actress's name. No, not the three-boobed lady. No, like Mia.
00:54:49
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I've never seen. um Yes. ah leu That's Leeloo from. ah fifth element Fifth element. Yeah. Anywho. Smash. You predicted one of my fixes.
00:55:00
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Present day principal Doug at the assembly thing. ah He's really nervous and ah really squirrely. And the students mentioned like, what's up with the principal? Does he think he's going to get murdered next? Usually he's like boring and lame. And now he's weird.
00:55:16
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Because I would- I'm going to make the argument he's not your emotionless, psychopathic killer like your Michael Myers or your Ted Bundy. um He killed three girl- he only killed three girls, which technically I would even argue he's not a serial killer, he's a spree killer.
00:55:34
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um Don't at me, I'm right. No, you're completely right. It doesn't fit the it doesn't fit the definition. Just like the yeah just like you a girl said at the beginning of the film, I think there should be more people dead for a serial killer.
00:55:47
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he can't... nobody can No, because a serial killer is a longer stretch of time. Minimum is three, but it's really about like the time and the manner of deaths. A spree killer is a lot faster.
00:56:03
Speaker
ands he he has the He has the same... like but it it was but been but but But it was within a few days. Yes, a serial killer... Four days, four days. You're proving our point.
00:56:14
Speaker
A spree killer kills in days. A serial killer won't get caught oftentimes won't get caught for months, even years, even decades. pretty sure there's a rumor that Oregon has one right now. oh Oregon has a ton of serial killers. It's upsetting. I think as well, while serial killers, I don't think it's usually...
00:56:36
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all the victims are a personal thing to them. It's more, uh, uh, it's more, they just have a particular yeah yeah type of person that like to kill. yeah Serial killer is minimum two, by the way.
00:56:50
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well Okay. But my point stands. I'm looking at the timeline. Mm-hmm. He's a spree killer. Yes. No, and you're right. Yes, yes. The definition for serial killers says there is a cooling off moment between kills for serial killers. Yes, yes. And John's right, too. It's not always a personal thing. It's just like yeah like you know them. It's just they look like the type.
00:57:10
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Yeah, like, ah I think usually with serial killers, he doesn't know the person the people personally hey he versus this. He does know all of them per personally.
00:57:24
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Yeah. Sometimes that is the case where a serial killer will actually target people that they know. Not, like, every victim, but um I did hear about the chessboard killer. He did like to go after all of his drinking buddies, and he was a serial alcoholic.
00:57:41
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Serial killer alcoholic.
00:57:46
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Anywho, think the only reason that he probably got away with it is ah because the sheriff is dumb and out of mind with worry about his daughter.
00:57:57
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i would also have him not approach Jamie and say all those nice things about his mom at high school. um Maybe he can have a throwaway line of, oh, you know, she mellowed out after high school and not elaborate any further.
00:58:12
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And ah I would have ways to have him and Jake, like, have him and Chris interact. They need to interact at least once because ah he freaks, like, he always kind of jumps when Chris shows up because Chris is podcasting about the murders and he doesn't want to.
00:58:32
Speaker
get implicated because uh in real life um pod true crime podcasts have actually solved murders there's uh two that i know of where like they were beneficial in solving uh long-standing crimes not the kind that like go through people's trash and harass people don't do that only murders in the building that's a podcast nailed it um teenager doug I would either have it that he's already dating Kara when Jamie arrives or Jamie accidentally gets the two of them together. and Okay.
00:59:06
Speaker
Again, that's probably how we got away with it is like he had insider knowledge of what the sheriff knew. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would introduce teen Doug to Jamie before the party.
00:59:17
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I'm thinking that he, uh, that when Jamie arrives at the school and she's like, I go here now I'm from Canada. ah the secretary calls in the hall monitor and she's like,
00:59:29
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go you show her around and um so he's the first person that she meets from the past rather than meeting lauren immediately and uh doug is very kind and caring and he might even pick up on jamie's grief of losing her mom just like oh hey you good What's up?
00:59:54
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Oh, your mom died? Oh, that sucks. My girlfriend just died last year. I was a total wreck. That sucks. It gets better, friend. Insert slur here for Ed.
01:00:07
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Gets better. F*** no. But then the day after the party, when Tiffany dies, he notices Jamie being empathetic to the Mollies, or like, she says something like, oh, that so so that sucks. Their best friend just died.
01:00:21
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And he's concerned. He's like, Jamie, if you died, i know they wouldn't give two shits about you. Take it from me. I know it from experience. Hmm.
01:00:31
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And then also just another little thing. Kara has a throwaway line of like, oh, invited Doug and he said he couldn't make it.
01:00:40
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Oh, for the cabin. thats That's how he knew about it. Exactly. like Um... And then for present day, this is the part where I kind of faded off. I couldn't think of it as many ways to fix it.
01:00:53
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um In my version, I don't feel like Pam would have anything to do with Chris. In fact, thank you, Boomer. The cat just, he saw a bunch of, one of our cats. He was telling off the birds and he was also helping me with my fix and he did a great job.
01:01:13
Speaker
Um, I think Pam has probably avoided Chris. There might also be a restraining order. She probably has blocked him. She does not want anything to do with that goddamn podcast.
01:01:24
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Uh, cause it was incredibly vulnerable, traumatic time in her life and Chris doesn't give a flying fuck about justice anyway. So why would she want to help him? So Pam's phone starts blowing up at the beginning of the movie. It's not Chris directly who's blowing up her phone.
01:01:42
Speaker
But, you know, if her phone number got leaked in the investigation and all of his followers
01:01:51
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started texting her, asking her what she knew. ah yeah I don't know. i felt like that made a lot more sense than like, oh, they were texting about the the podcast and they were going to reveal whole new information.
01:02:07
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it felt really weird knowing that the note is fake.
01:02:15
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But yeah, that's all I got. Yeah. All right. So oh for me, i um I've
Critique of Gen Z Portrayal
01:02:22
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enjoyed this a lot. on I think it was i think like the acting is great. The it story is great. And it really did keep me guessing with all the twists.
01:02:32
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um My biggest criticism of it is... I think that that Jamie feel feels like as stereotypical Gen Z as possible, and i and it comes off as the writer doesn't like Gen Z people to me.
01:02:52
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And so that that's the biggest thing i would want changed with the film, um is the i the writing. i i think he's right, though. Gen z is the worst.
01:03:04
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Don't mock our son's middle name right next to him. No, Boomer Gen Z is fine. You and John Gen Z. don't give a fuck.
01:03:16
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You're sleeping with Bingus tonight. It was a good podcast, everyone. You're you're sleeping you're sleeping at ah at with your face at Bingus' ass.
01:03:27
Speaker
That sweet kitten butt smell. The his the bathroom already smells like kitten ass all over the place. Nothing will change. Oh, but ah So I would like i would change the main characters. It's more like an actual oh regular person. ison um I then i think that she is right with like all the things that she's bringing up that wrong about the on about... She felt like a character um caricature of a SJW. Yeah. so yeah and like She's right about these things, but...
01:04:04
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they wrote her in a way where where I think you're supposed to find her annoying. And I don't think that's... a I didn't enjoy that.
01:04:15
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um yeah o i how I actually like thought of of, as we were talking, some... ah some like big changes I would make that I think that i think i think would be interesting.
01:04:30
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um so ah so to do ah So, and these are mainly like things that I thought of as ways to deal with things that things you guys brought up is as like, like um what I would do with adult alt Doug is I would have him, I would have that what starts making us feel little suspicious of him is he starts trying to investigate what's going on because he's wondering why is there killer out if I'm not, if I'm not killing people.
01:05:06
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ah oh But what really made a push us to suspect him a bit is have that, have that he refuses to work with Chris. Yeah.
01:05:17
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because he doesn't want Chris to realize that he was the original killer. Oh, yeah. And then, and I also, and then also, like, Hector, or you mentioned how you think it was a bit obvious, the obvious, the twist of of Chris being the in the second killer, or what I would do there is i would actually reveal that he's that he is the second killer uh or right uh right around the beginning and think as i would have him uh have him um be teleported back in time with uh uh with jamie uh he and he would like uh uh he would end up dying uh uh dying pretty much immediately but uh i
01:06:01
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That then, uh, then Jamie sees his face and assumes that that means he's the killer. So they, so the, uh, so she's investigating, hitting Chris throughout the film, even though he's not the killer at all, I think would be really interesting.
01:06:22
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Dude, that's really good. And then rid of Lurch and yeah, yeah. You'd already have the red herring, right? Yeah. Jesus. That's really good. What a fix. Yeah. And then then I would also, also oh um I would be adding adding a third the...
01:06:40
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a third reference the ah reference to oh the um marty mcfly almost getting it on with his mom as i'm going to recast the ask jamie's parents with uh with leah thompson and michael j fox and then uh and then how i'm i mentioned earlier that was going to be trying to uh so find a way to incorporate a Howard the Duck bit in this, and particularly a Duck Tits, it is instead of a sci-fi nerd, or Pam is ah am is a fan of Howard the Duck, and they have ah have that be playing on the TV when they're at the ah her house, is particularly the Duck Tits scene. Once again, though, want we'll be seeing a better movie on screen. We'll be reminded of better movie. And... and
01:07:35
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I think it kind of fits that it's a, that would be signed that someone could, would feasibly be like a secret fan of, uh, of in the, uh, when we, uh, are seeing these characters or it's in the eighties because it's, it's 1987 the year after Howard the Duck came out.
01:07:55
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Yeah. Jesus. That works. Yeah. She'd be a true blue fan. Once again, ah guest comes over and just wrecks her shit. It's a good thing John went last because then we looked semi-competent.
01:08:07
Speaker
Yeah. We? Well, it's... Suck in our own podcast. It's also good that I went last because I hadn't thought of all these things before. Oh, I'm sorry. On the fly, too. Goddamn. Hey, we're gonna give you the login info for all our recording stuff.
01:08:26
Speaker
Take the keys. I'd say take the money. my car. Take my dreams. I'd say take the cash. I'd say take the cash. We've made no money off this. Take the cats.
01:08:39
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take the cat i dontkeeper You keep Bingus' smell. Do want Boomer and his not ass smell? Boomer and Bingus.
01:08:51
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sounds like ah Sounds like a like a animated show name actually, Boomer and Bingus. Sounds like a really lame version Cheech and Chong when it comes to like a comedy. Excuse me?
01:09:01
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Cheech and Chong! That sounded racist as hell. They're in a group who are doing stupid comedy. You've never heard of Cheech and Chong? Cheech and Chong. chee ain't chong yeah chee chi Wow, you've never seen They stoner humor 40 years ago.
01:09:14
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they were like peakque stoner humor forty years ago John, you've heard of them, right? I've never heard of these two. John, you've heard of them, right?
01:09:27
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Yeah, I've heard of them. I got a sponsored post ah o about them on on Twitter the other day about them selling fake psychedelic mushrooms.
01:09:40
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but My face. Like, they're, like there're I think, i ah ain' a gummy, a psychedelic gummy that's shaped like a mushroom, ah um but it's colorful instead of of being looking like the colors of mushroom.
01:10:00
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Yeah, Cheech and Chong actually had a resurgence last year. They did one last, like a one last ride movie. That's why it came to mind. I remember hearing about the movie and being like, damn, that's cool. I've never watched any of their stuff, but I've heard of them.
01:10:12
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Yeah, they're like both 90. Yeah, I've seen them in like, I think one of them was in like that 70s show back in the day. so Probably. I know, i think it's Chong. He was in Zootopia. He was the nudist zebra guy. Yeah, that tracks.
01:10:27
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Yeah.
01:10:30
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Or no, the water buffalo. Jesus Christ, dude. That was so good. John, that was so good. Like... It's like we're playing Battleship and then you pulled out the goddamn... You pulled up in a literal submarine. Well, I aim to be your craziest guest.
01:10:50
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Yeah, that was wild.
01:10:54
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need more slurs, John. You need more slurs. Consult the slursaurus. We will see you next time.
01:11:05
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He's gonna make up some Rick and Morty ass slur. I was about to say, step up the game, invent some new slurs. That's what I meant. He's just come in with like new slurs to describe like fifth dimensional beings. ah yeah Like, it's completely normal. Or things that are completely arbitrary and have no... like
01:11:25
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Oh, you chess enjoyer. He's going call us zip warp or something. Why is that funny, you guys? Please. that also That was a Z-list joke. That was a zip warp joke. Don't.
01:11:38
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Okay. um Great for the movie.
01:11:44
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I gave this a 4 out of 5 stars. That's fair. I think I gave it a 3.5 for a 3. Yeah, but what what letter is that? That's like a... I'm not a numbers person.
01:11:56
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I am now because i took a stats class. Illegal. ah It what should have been. ah i did like ah Like a C plus B minus. It was good. Actually, B minus. It was good.
01:12:10
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Yeah, Yeah, B. Ed? Solid... C. Alright. That's pretty good for Ed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I've realized that I usually rate things either a Bs, or fs So I'm trying to, like, you know, You've had a couple Ds.
01:12:31
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Yeah, I know. die But, like, it's um it's the two extremes. and And even you on my letterbox, I noticed that. So I'm trying to, like, change how rate things. You're trying like, tune into the You're trying to lean into mid?
01:12:47
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Yeah, like actual middling stuff. Like, and C isn't bad. C is just like, this is an okay movie. John, you had something? so oh So, Ed, would you rate the film higher if if every character were wearing a shirt that had duck tits on it?
01:13:07
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C-. C-.
01:13:13
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The fact that it barely drops says a lot. That's so strange. You can't do much to make this movie worse or better. It's just really solid.
01:13:24
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Less slurs. I think it would be kind of a hilarious bit if ever if everybody wears shirts like the Lester Duckton. Less slurs would lower my grade.
01:13:36
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to a D I knew it. D for dingus. D for bingus. Yeah, D for dingus. But bingus is a dingus.
01:13:47
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He is. He fell in the toilet. He fell in the toilet. Why do you guys need to embarrass a kitten for falling in the toilet? We're bullying a baby. You are literally bullying a baby. He's my son. I'm literally allowed to bully my kids.
01:14:02
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That's how it works. He's barely two months old, and you guys are mercilessly bullying him on the internet forever. Now, earlier, Ed, you mentioned how...
01:14:14
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how It didn't make sense to you about this girl not being willing to do blowjobs. Did a no would blowjobs be what's ah let's making this be so low for you?
01:14:26
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No. C is low. C is middling. He'll give it a D then for more. C for solid. do the so see for solid
01:14:40
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ah All right. So what is everyone... out seven. That's pretty good. what is What has everyone been watching, reading? What media?
01:14:51
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You can have two. let Let the guests go first.
John's Current Media Picks
01:14:55
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i've I've mainly been and watching... a um So ah each week I've been watching ah watching as it comes out, that Rick and Morty, e Resident Alien, and The Librarians. How's the new Rick and Morty?
01:15:14
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it's It's pretty decent, isn't it? And I've also been binge-watching the original series of Phineas and Ferb before ah for watching the new season.
01:15:28
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Man of taste. Valid.
01:15:32
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So,
01:15:35
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ah just a fun fact real quick.
01:15:39
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On Monday,
01:15:43
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i watched age of re-watched Edge of Tomorrow.
01:15:49
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I didn't know that Totally Killer had wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff too. but But it was just like a really funny coincidence that I decided to rewatch Edge of Tomorrow and then I watched two movies with wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff. It's weird that watched, it's weird if I nickel for every time I'd watch a timey wimey movie, I have two nickels, which is weird.
01:16:11
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but How's the line go? It's weird. yeah i try i some nickel for But it's weird that it happened twice. Yeah, there you go It's a finished verb reference. I was trying to tie it all together. Which is a little hot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
01:16:24
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ah ah Other than that, i my friend invited me over to watch the pilot episodes of the reboot of Battlestar Galactica. Bears beats Battlestar Galactica.
01:16:37
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What'd you say? It's the office quote. Bears beats Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, it's when Jim is doing the, it's when Jim is doing his Dwight impression. And identity theft is not a joke, Jim.
01:16:50
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Oh, yeah, that's right. um Yeah, so I watched the two pilot episodes ah for that. And they're both an hour and a half. So we watched a three hour long, basically movie.
01:17:03
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And ah I liked it. Quite a bit. Also, the actress from ah the actress that plays Bo-Katan is in that series.
01:17:14
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He also got new Kratos from God of War in that series. oh Oh, really? That was his big break. Yeah, you'll see him later. Oh. Yeah, but that was actually really good.
01:17:27
Speaker
And it sucks that you can't watch it streaming anywhere. You have to buy the seasons. And on Amazon Prime, each season is like $40. And there's four of them. it's congratulations portlandia has a wedding portlandia has an entire ah thing about how everyone portland loved balistar galactica you can probably find it somewhere on the garage sale yeah possibly or ebay who knows who can say ruthie yes um we talked about it a little before we started recording um
01:18:01
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Hector bought Expedition 33 to enjoy as a sweet treat when he finished school. And I finished yesterday. And he finished the term yesterday. And so he got the game like two weeks ago.
01:18:14
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and long story short, I'm on my second playthrough. 10 out of 10. This is like, it's not a game of the year kind of thing. This is like a game, like people have been calling it once in a lifetime, once in a generation, once in a decade. Holy shit.
01:18:31
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This was made by 30 people. It took like over a- Propaganda, you're not really. It's not really, proper it's not really that big. But it's still a smaller team. It's a tiny, it's a tiny team. And they took a lot of love and care.
01:18:44
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And I've told ed he's probably going to He's probably going to cry two, maybe three times.
01:18:54
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Because he also has the game he's only gotten through the prologue. and even Not even through the prologue. I don't think going to play tonight. Oh, yeah, because you stopped after the sad thing.
01:19:05
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You're going to be doing a lot of stuff there, bud. um But Propaganda 30, the so dev team is, or the, what is it? that The company is 30 people, but they had a lot of help from other companies.
01:19:21
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yeah Yes. It was like a thousand people worked on the game.
Game Discussion: From Kickstarter to Soundtrack Praise
01:19:24
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Yes. ah So the game started originally on Kickstarter. I've been listening to a lot of interviews. um Then they were like, hey, we can't just like keep going on Kickstarter. So they worked with a publisher. I want to say it was Sandfall Interactive? where there was No, there's another one. Sandfall is the company that made the game. Yeah, so it was another one. They worked with another publisher, and the publisher supplied the resources that they were able to... like All the people that they helped Smartest fucking investment of decade. the guy that did the music...
01:19:52
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Sweet Jesus. Yeah, he's from SoundCloud. Yeah, he's from SoundCloud. um Yeah, so just the 15 minutes I've played, the music is insane! It's so good! The 15 minutes.
01:20:04
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The soundtrack is 33 minutes long.
01:20:09
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That's short. that's It's incredibly short, but he wouldn't... ah david oh It's so good!
01:20:19
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I could wax poetic if you always had
Comparing Games: 'Expedition 33' and 'Final Fantasy VIII'
01:20:21
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played it. So like, There's been a lot of comparisons between Expedition and Final Fantasy. Yes. And, like, Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite game of all time. We all know. it is It is on my skin. wouldn't I've never heard him say that a day in my life. yeah Yeah.
01:20:38
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One of the biggest things that I liked ah about Final Fantasy VIII is the soundtrack. So, like, I'm really scared that I have Final Fantasy VIII tattooed on my skin.
01:20:52
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It might not be my favorite game after I play it. Expedition 33. Expedition 33 penis. As soon as you finish the Expedition... Oh, sorry. Expedition 33 penis tattoo. oh yeah You have some lovely feet.
01:21:06
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yeah's do Oh, there's so many good quotes you could get tattooed. Yeah, you're gonna finish 33 and then you're gonna scrape off the the Final Fantasy VIII tattoo. Oh, that's a full sleeve.
01:21:21
Speaker
I also love the interaction between these two characters. Stop it! No, I'm playing tonight. ah Stop. Okay.
Unique TV Shows: 'The Rehearsal'
01:21:31
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So far, I've done everything i want to do on my first day off. I'll text it to you. Shut the fuck up. Yes.
01:21:37
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Okay, mine. My two. but That was one. Yeah, that's the only one I have. Okay, my two. Ruthie and I watched the rehearsal season two. It's of the most shame insane TV you'll ever see.
01:21:49
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ah John, have you seen the rehearsal? I've heard of it, i think. but That is a level of unhinged I aspire to be. No, no, no. you got to watch season one. It eases you into it. yeah Season two is like, it's not, it's, I've never seen anything like that on TV. I know I'm being vague.
01:22:05
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I'm, may I make, say the thing I saw told another friend of ours? Sure. The rehearsal, the guy who made the rehearsal, the host of the show, was given a blank check by HBO Max.
01:22:18
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And he's still managing to outspend his goddamn blank check.
01:22:26
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yeah John, if you have time, I really recommend it. It's bananas. Start season one. You gotta ease into it. You gotta ease into it.
Gaming Talk: 'Night Rain' and Roguelites
01:22:34
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So is this a sketch comedy show? No, no, no. He's a... he It's technically a documentary.
01:22:40
Speaker
But it's also... It's made by a comedian. I was just wondering, like... up because oh Because, like... Oh, this... Oh, wow. Looking at... Oh, I Google. It looks like would be a fictionalized show, but it says it's a reality show.
01:22:55
Speaker
It's a reality show. There's a whole... I can't say anything without spoiling. It's one of those shows you have to go in blind. But, yeah, point being, it's... It's good. It's crazy. That's that's one.
01:23:05
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The other one, which Ruthie gave me shit for, is I have Platinum Night Rain. And, like, I have... Let me check all right now on Steam, because I have it open. I have... 86 hours on the game.
01:23:20
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Rookie numbers. Some my other friends have like over have gone triple digits like a month ago. But, like, it's it's so fun. If you like Souls games, if you like roguelites...
01:23:34
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If you like, if there's a bit of a pace, the pace is really breakneck at first. Once you get into the swing of it though, and it clicks, you'll realize, oh cause we were like, oh, it should be a little longer. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. no You get nothing done. Otherwise you really prioritize. It's so good.
01:23:52
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That's my, that's my thing. Anyway, uh, John, do you want to talk about your, uh, you want to plug to your plug here?
Smash Cherry John's Podcast Introduction
01:24:00
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Alright, again, i I'm Smash Cherry John. on I'm the host of Smash Cherry Presents The Gamma Analysis.
01:24:08
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It's a show where I review just lots of different geeky films and shows and I also do some random other things occasionally.
01:24:21
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I have ah have shorter video content that goes up on on YouTube u and TikTok ac talking about movies ah is that's Smash trivia is the name of the place for that.
01:24:33
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I'm adding Smash trivia John on all the social
New Podcast Announcement: 'Creepy and Kooky'
01:24:37
Speaker
medias. ah And also, I don't know when this is exactly going to air, but i but around the end of this month, I'm to be starting a spinoff show for my podcast. It's called Creepy and Kooky, a Wednesday Addams podcast, where I'm going talking about the Wednesday TV show with a friend of mine and I.
01:24:57
Speaker
um and we're gonna be doing like well we're gonna be doing one episode a month this month uh we'll be doing the uh the whole first season the show next month uh we're gonna be a doing the ah the first half of season two since and then uh then in september we're gonna be doing the second half since for some reason netflix decided to split the season in half uh but uh then um For the finale of the show oh in October, we're going to also do an episode for ah so where we're either going to be reviewing the
01:25:32
Speaker
and um the 90s Addams Family movie a or... or we are ah we're uh we're we're we haven't decided between them but we're the other possibility is the scooby-doo adams family crossover episode from like the 60s oh yes beautiful that'd be fun all right thank you so john do you want to be here when we announce the next episode because it's my pick sure it's gonna make ed hate everything sure
01:26:10
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Let's see if he can get it just for my reference here.
Gaming Debates and Movie Potential
01:26:12
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Hey, Ed.
01:26:14
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Chicken Jockey. Boomer slapped you. I haven't even seen the Minecraft movie yet. ah yeah It looks like it'll be interesting. I'm not sure how ah ah they ah they're all like it or not.
01:26:30
Speaker
I don't want to. It's the same dude who did Napoleon Dynamite and Nacho Libre. I have a standing veto. So I can't veto this one. Yeah. You have a stand-in-me-don't-cat. Let us do cats.
01:26:43
Speaker
Oh. But I... but Okay, I have a stand-in-me-don't-cat, but i will never... i will not watch the Super Mario Bros. movie ever. I'm not supporting Nintendo. respect that one. i respect that one. I'm not going to do that to you. yeah and Also, we get flayed alive. i'm never I'm never buying anything Nintendo ever again, and neither should anybody else ever again.
01:27:05
Speaker
the Nintendo sucks. Big peepee, alright? $80 games? Cease and desisting people that are just love one of their 20-year-old games?
Listener Appreciation and Farewell
01:27:20
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Come on.
01:27:22
Speaker
Yeah. yeah
01:27:26
Speaker
Alright. Anyways. Thank you everyone for watching. Watching. watching listening. I've watched lot of You can stare at a Spotify screen for an hour and a half. They're not watching anything.
01:27:40
Speaker
The screen? Yeah, they're just watching the number. Thank you for watching with your ears. The little green bar fill up. thank you charge people Thank you for watching with your ears. Is that better, Ed?
01:27:52
Speaker
No. Thank you for ear watching. yeah So thank you for ear watching. Give five stars. Watching with their inner eye. Give us five stars, please. find find and And don't forget to give us a follow. Totally totally a five star podcast here. yeah ear washing especially when when you guys' favorite guest Smash Trivia John comes on 100% that's when it's a five star podcast
01:28:21
Speaker
I'm so humble we need to have more five star episodes yeah the golden god of podcast guests a five star man the most humblest podcast guest
01:28:36
Speaker
Alright. Thank you for watching or listening. i Now I'm doing it for real. Goodbye everyone. Goodbye. Hello there.
01:28:48
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This is Ed here doing the credits. So to today's movie was Totally Killer. Directed by Anachika Khan.
01:29:00
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Story by David Matalan and Sasha Pearl Raver. Screenplay written by David Matalan, Sasha Pearl Raver, and Jen D'Angelo.
01:29:12
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And finally, cinematography by Chud Overton.